Cliffe Knechtle Vs Muslim: Can God Forgive us Without Jesus' Death?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Cliffe Knechtle debates with a Muslim on morality, the death of Jesus, and the authenticity of the Quran. Why did Jesus have to die for our sins? Why can't God forgive us without accepting Jesus' death? Delve into this video for answers to these questions!
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This is how a peaceful conversation should be. No humiliation, no victory signs and no anger but only Subject. God Bless you sir!
he was definitely humiliated and angry he just didnt wanna show it. look at his face and body language.
@@mannytavarez5588 it’s your heart that is blind. That is not my problem and that’s something you need to check.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
yeah last time i had a conversation with a muslin guy when he has no answer bec i told all thing about lies about quran and why then he told some bad speech to my mother and leave
@@user-fb8zn8jj8u Why did 'Uthman feel the need to destroy other copies of the Qur'an, unless they contained variants? Why did Ibn Ma'sud refuse to hand over his copy for destruction? How do we know that 'Uthman's copy was better than any of the others?
Cliffe ended that debate brilliantly. " For God so loved the world, that he sent us his only son " Praise the Lord Jesus Christ forever! 🙏✝❤
It gave me chills when he started saying that christians are all over the world and that Jesus is accessible to everyone.
This man is AMAZING. Knowledgable.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@@user-fb8zn8jj8uYou should read 'Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus' by Nabeel Qureshi
I am a Bible believer and a Christian who wanted to know and understand my Muslim neighbors, love thy neighbor ❤ I highly recommend this book to BOTH Muslims and Christians.
Peace and Blessings everyone 🙏🏼❤️
felt the same...hallelujah
@user-fb8zn8jj8u all we have to go on that being true is word of mouth. Making it blind faith. The texts that cliffe mentioned about the Bible, still exist, none were burned, they have survived the test of time and are continuously studied to ensure accuracy of translation and contextual criticism like he said. So you're dead wrong.
" Jesus is Bloodthirsty "
Wait till he hears what Muhammad did to the pagans
Yes Mohammed told them: “go you’re all free” 😂. You should be embarrassed of yourself
@@1sosukeaizen1 absolutely not, it's written in the quran CLEARLY " Kill all non muslims "
@@1sosukeaizen1he didn’t free them all, he killed many people, he also had sex with a child who was 8 years old. Jesus killed no one and abstained from sex
Muslims will just lie about it lol
@@1sosukeaizen1 Mohammed the murder ? The man who killed people for not accepting Islam ? The man who married a 9 year old girl ? Think Mohammed embarrassed himself. 😐
Credit to the Muslim, he actually asked good questions. Props to Cliff for knowing how to respond in a lightning fast exchange of ideas.
yup, as a Christian we need to always respect people for respectfully sharing their beliefs. not only is this good for our society as a whole, but is a good way to convey our beliefs to others in a positive light as well
Muslim: Do you believe Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Doesn't God describe human sacrifice as abhorent in the bible ?
Christian : Well yes, but Jesus was not just human he was God.
Muslim: But in the bible (Timothy 6:16) it says God is immortal, which means He does not die.
Christian: Depends on what you mean by death. Jesus said, Whoever knows me shall not die.
Muslim: Death is the separtion of the body and soul.
Christian: Like I said, I don't really believe in death.
Muslim: So why is the death of Jesus on the cross so important to you? If his death isn't any different than your death.
Christian: Well because he was God.
Muslim: But we already established God is immortal according to the Bible.
Christian: It was the human part of Jesus that died.
Muslim: But we already established God abhors human sacrifice.
Christian: ......It's hard to explain, you just have to have faith and believe that Jesus died for your sins and it doesn't matter what you do in life, you will go to heaven.
Muslim: But, that hardly sounds fair. An innocent man has to die so criminals can continue to be criminals until their last day and still be saved?
Christian: That's it in a nut shell.
Muslim: That's a nutty nut shell.
@@carimaelfarrah7800 Lol! Ok, let's reply to your imaginary conversation with a real conversation.
Christian: Who is Jesus?
Muslim: Muslims regard Jesus (peace be upon him) as one of the great prophets who brought divine guidance to humanity before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family).
Christian: So, to you, Jesus is a great prophet. That means you believe that he's not only good but great.
Muslim: Yes, he brought divine guidance to man before Prophet Muhammad.
Christian: But Jesus claimed he is God!
He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I AM!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. So, if Jesus claims he is God, why don't you believe in him?
Muslim: Because Allah is the only God.
Christian: Then why are you calling a liar a great prophet? Don't you see the stupidity of your stand?
Muslim: 😵💫
@@carimaelfarrah7800 Lol! Ok, let's reply to your imaginary conversation with a real conversation.
Christian: Who is Jesus?
Muslim: Muslims regard Jesus (peace be upon him) as one of the great prophets who brought divine guidance to humanity before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family).
Christian: So, to you, Jesus is a great prophet. That means you believe that he's not only good but great.
Muslim: Yes, he brought divine guidance to man before Prophet Muhammad.
Christian: But Jesus claimed he is God! He said, "Very truly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM!" (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. So, if Jesus claims he is God, why don't you believe in him?
Muslim: Because Allah is the only God.
Christian: Then why are you calling a liar a great prophet? Don't you see the stupidity of your stand?
Muslim: 😵💫
@@carimaelfarrah7800 @carimaelfarrah7800 Lol! Ok, let's reply to your imaginary conversation with a real conversation.
Christian: Who is Jesus?
Muslim: Muslims regard Jesus (peace be upon him) as one of the great prophets who brought divine guidance to humanity before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family).
Christian: So, to you, Jesus is a great prophet. That means you believe that he's not only good but great.
Muslim: Yes, he brought divine guidance to man before Prophet Muhammad.
Christian: But Jesus claimed he is God! He said, "Very truly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM!" (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. So, if Jesus claims he is God, why don't you believe in him?
Muslim: Because Allah is the only God.
Christian: Then why are you calling a liar a great prophet? Don't you see the stupidity of your stand?
Muslim: 😵💫
Jesus said it himself: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6 Why are we gonna ignore Jesus the literal Son of God but accept the word of a prophet that lived centuries after Jesus??
Muslims agree that he was the way and the truth. The WAY not the DESTINATION. He was the way to the Father during his time.
Moses was the way during his time so was Noah, so was David, Solomon and so was Muhammad peace be upon them all. They were all the way that led to the Father.
In order to come to the Father you had to follow the Prophet of the time. Prophethood is a mighty high station. The problem is Christians think of it as something casual and insignificant. They're reluctant to call Jesus a Prophet.
The only time they call Jesus a Prophet is when you ask them about the Prophecy of Deut 18:18 which talks of a mighty warrior Prophet like Moses. Then they insist Jesus is a prophet.
This argument of believing a man hundreds of years later is one of the reasons the juice rejected Jesus because he came centuries after Moses
@@summer5145 But Jesus isn't just a prophet he's the Son of God. An incarnation of God. He's God in human flesh. The Word made flesh. So when he says he's the way he literally meant that.
@@summer5145 Yes that's true and yet it doesn't take away who or what Jesus is. When I say who would believe muhammad I meant why would I believe him over Jesus? Why would I believe a man over God?
If you all are so sure that Jesus is God or son of God than what religion was Jesus Bible does not say anything about it if they did not change it again and religion is God than why do you worship a person that Allah the only god send as a massenger and you worship a prophet because you have been lied to your entire life
A muslim calling YHWH bloodthirsty is the pinnacle of irony.
YHWH?
@@joshfoster7420 Yes? The Christian God = YHWH
@@dartheli7400 I thought it was an acronym
@@joshfoster7420 Nope. At least so far I haven‘t heard of it being an acyronym.
@@dartheli7400 so it's kinda like the name of Christian god
Clarity in explaining Christianity is key to understanding it.
Christianity is confusion
@@She_iswise Christianity is conviction based on the work of the Holy Spirit that quickens, illuminates and opens the heart of our understanding.
@@eclecticculture3417 Based on the work of the Holy Ghost 👻 Since when are ghosts good? Lol
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@@She_iswisebe honest you're confused
God is love. God is life. He is giving you the chance to live forever for free even if none of us deserve it. That's how perfect God is.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@@user-fb8zn8jj8uIslam is biggest Lies
PRAISE THE LORD!!! I got goosebumps listening to this Brother in Christ.
That was brilliant 🎉. I'm so glad Jesus Christ called me to Himself. I am a child of God ❤.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
I'm a Catholic, but Clife, I have an enormous respect for what you do. Hopefully I'll will meet up with you. We are all Christians. United together.
I have a big problem with the Catholic Church. There is literally an obelisk with the symbol of Ba'al around it in St. Peter Square. That should disturb anyone who considers themselves to be a Christian.
The Vatican is evil. They condone many things that are forbidden in the Bible(praying to dead saints; worshiping Mary; graven images/idols in churches; the Bible makes no mention of popes, nuns, celibate but really ped0 priests, indulgences, the Eucharist, rosary beads, confessionals or Purgatory). The pope is wealthy and beloved by the world whereas Jesus was poor and hated. The Vatican is the richest "country" in the world. Please open your eyes, brother.
@dennisanderson8663 have you ever been in Rome? Ever seen the obelisk with your own eyes? Or have others told you this? Do you know what the inscription is? Don't lie please, because I know. That's exactly what I said. Christians are ignorant they know nothing good to say about the others, only big lies. They do no research. Accusing about things they have heard and never have seen with their own eyes. That's sad.
bowing to idols Gods hates most
Only if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour are you a Christian
When people have a wrong idea about God to begin with, it will be hard for them to understand and accept the God of the Holy Bible.
The ending was marvelous, just perfect like God.
Thanks for this beautiful video ❤️
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@user-fb8zn8jj8u yeah sure...
That is what we call Taqiyya ! A beautiful lie, but a lie is a lie and you can not change history. Verses were lost in this process forever and Uthman destroyed other versions of your sacred book to have only one. There was more than 12 versions !
Don't lie to yourself my friend.
Preserved ?! Read Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 where a sheep ate verses of your Qur'an.
Oh and there is still other versions of your Qur'an (Hafs, Khalaf, Warsh) where words are different.
@@mitchmbc lol dont give me that thing about Taqiyya, u wanna make muslims look bad, pretty sure u are a zionist and not Christian!
Do u even know What Taqiyya means? Its just s way to protect yourself and hide your religions belief.. just like jews hid theirs when they were killed by west!! I can give you many example of Taqiyya by west in the past lol.
*Now back to your lies… first there is no number out there saying how many he did destroy*
*Second there are numerous reason why experts believe the original Quran was preserved* like:->
*Oral Traditions* the Quran was memorized by prophets companions, this provided a reliable reference to cross check..
*close companions* the committee appointed by Uthman had many companions of prophet Muhammad included in it, they were with Muhammad when Quran was revealed.. that’s historical!
*Early Manuscripts* the codices of uthman match the early Quranic manuscript that were found!!’
*Consensus* its standardization was accepted by the Muslim community, including key Islamic figures, suggesting broad agreement on its authenticity.
*Continuous Transmission* The Qur'an has been consistently memorized and reduced across generations, without any significant variation from the Uthmanic codex, indicating that it reflects the original.
The various Qur'anic recitations, such as Hafs, Warsh and Khalaf, derive from the same original text that Uthman standardized. The variations are in pronunciation, diacritical marks, minor spelling and small word differences. These recitations reflect the authentic diversity of dialects during the time of the Prophet Muhammad and are all considered legitimate.
Great job brother....
Hallelujah praise the Lord..
Jesus is king of king
Look up in dictionary, look up in Wikipedia, ask a Jew of letters, ask Latin speaker, Greek/Spanish/Portuguese, etc to pronounce JESUS(HEI- sus shall be heard) old sea scrolls were translated into Greek, latin and Hebrew.
Jesus pronounced (hei-sus) 💕HEI Hebrew ה symbol = Truth.Sus שׂוּשׂ hebrew symbol = male. Christ means (kruxificado/ Khristós/cruxifide / to be christened on a cross. Jesus Christ said together means Son of Truth on Cross.💕
Jesus Christ said together means Son of Truth on Cross.
Jesus Christ means Son of Truth on Cross. Each time a Christian, is called Christian, it verifies Jesus was christianed on a cross.💞
The name The light bearer halal/helel failed to erase is.
Jesus Christ" (meaning "hei-sus the Khristós" because of the meaning.
*Jesus Christ means Son of Truth on Cross.
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Brilliant, once again Cliffe speaks in abundance of wisdom and logic.
He speaks with confidence and a squatting stance for emphasis but not logic
@@dangflo what religion are you ?
@@dangflo If you cannot hear the logic that he speaks so clearly...maybe turn on the closed captions.
@@dangflo nah that's a muslim would do closed minded like u....
Sorry what logic again?😂
Also, our faith is sincere when we try to correct the sin or wrongs we have committed
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@@user-fb8zn8jj8u 1) anonymous user means you’re a 🐓
2) stop believing your Iman lies
وحّدتَ يا ربُّ لاهوتَكَ بناسوتِنا، وناسوتَنا بلاهوتِكَ، حياتَكَ بموتِنا وموتَنا بحياتِك.
أخذتَ ما لنا ووهبتنا ما لكَ لتُحيينا وتُخلِّصنا لكَ المجدُ إلى الأبد
Damn cliff perfectly broke it down, politely and intelligently
Without lies Islam dies
@@daveywavy6451 if you have looked yourself and still can’t find them you can’t be helped I feel so sorry for you lool 🤡
@@daveywavy6451don’t bother bro. These guys simply repeat this one line then skedaddle 🏃➡️
How??
@@peanutbutter4166 🤡
We have proves u don’t lmao
John 20- verse number 17- Jesus says that I have a god basically.
New Testament Hebrews 2:9 = says “Jesus is a little lower than angles”
John 17:3 “this is eternal life now, god (Allah) is the true god and Jesus whom you have sent
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me (John 5:30)
Contradictions in bible why Jesus is not god:
Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God cannot be tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus died
(1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing
Watch yourself run like a little B you are.
I love his preaching.. his words resonate inside me..
Beautiful ending
Yeah perfect mic drop moment
❤❤❤
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
Beautiful ending 🎉🎉 John 3:16 ❤
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@@user-fb8zn8jj8ustop spreading islam Lies
Jesus is the only way to salvation. Yes, God could simply choose to forgive us, but how would that show us the true love and mercy he has for us? He chose to demonstrate his true love for us through forgiveness through Jesus. Why do we need Jesus? Because our actions have consequences, and somebody has to pay for them. Take this analogy: A son commits robbery, his punishment is jail. A parent shows his love for the son by bailing him out of jail and trying to get him to follow the right path, because a parent does not want to see the son suffer in jail.
If there was no punishment for our actions, we would just keep doing wrong. But it is through the love of the parent (the love of God) that we learn to appreciate him and see how much he loves us. He paid the price for us through Jesus and thus freeing us from sin.
Now if you reject the father's help and want to continue living in captivity then fine. Pay the price yourself for your own actions. God gives you that choice.
assertions.
So god bailed you out by killing his own son (moral of the story, punish your son to forgive others), and thus you can keep stealing and murdering and healed accountable for nothing cause Jesus died for all of your sins ?
@@إبراهيمعفيفي-ك7رGod* Jesus was willing to be sacrificed for us, because Jesus is GOD John 10:30. If you keep doing bad things with no remorse then you go to hell, because in order to accept Jesus’s gift you have to repent for all your sins. Is not a matter of let me steal this and then repent because God is going to forgive me anyway, it’s a matter of true repentance. In greek repentance means to change one’s mindset, AND in order to accept Jesus’s gift you have to repent; Change your mindset.
@@إبراهيمعفيفي-ك7ر Jesus loves you by the way, he is waiting for you ❤
Do I understand this in the right manner ?
A loving father who knows everything before the world even existed, how your life will be, but still created you.
He knew that you would shed tears, he knew that you might not be successful in life, he knew that at the age of 13, 14, 15 you would no longer be in the mood for anything because you would get trauma, he knew that you You will be a sick, broken psychological borderline who knew that you couldn't find meaning and purpose in life, who knew that you couldn't find a way, who knew that you wander through life sadly, destroying yourself and others.
Would a loving father who knew all this allow all this? What would a loving father do if he knew that he would have 10 children and the 5 are doing well and the other 5 are not doing so well, they are crying and sad and don't know what to do with themselves? Do fathers who are full of love build prisons for their children if they do something bad?
Amen ✝️💞
Thank You Cliffl for Your Wisdom Knowledge and Worshipping ✝️❤️ I Believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth ✝️❤️ Thank You God for Everything You Do for Us✝️❤️ I Love Jesus Christ of Nazareth ❤️✝️❤️
Mr. Cliff, you have done it again. 👍🙏✝️🕊❤️✝️✝️✝️❤️❤️❤️
I just noticed that the dove emoji has an olive branch in its beak.
Got em !
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
Psychology would say cliff lost this one lol, just look the way he smirks.. if he have read about it he knew what I’m saying too.. but did not want to mention it to Winn this conversation lol.. lies don’t last
Well said Cliff👍
Keep doing the Lord's work 🙏
John 20- verse number 17- Jesus says that I have a god basically.
New Testament Hebrews 2:9 = says “Jesus is a little lower than angles”
John 17:3 “this is eternal life now, god (Allah) is the true god and Jesus whom you have sent
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me (John 5:30)
Contradictions in bible why Jesus is not god:
Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God cannot be tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus died
(1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing
@@How2owthats fine. God limited himself to enter inside of time and space inside his creation. He can do what he wants cant he? No iliterate is going to tell me how god works if he and his god cant tell how genetics, medicine, justice, or child development work.
@@miguellabordaburnett3617 god “limited” himself bc he couldn’t just send prophets? Or he was the only way to come on earth and KILL HIM SELF as a lamb for your ignorant sins? U gotta wake up kid, god is beyond that, earth is like a soccer ball to Allah almighty u r nothing but a dust. He is beyond anything u can imagine. U FORGOT ALLLL the other contradictions in the text I wrote. It said “NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD” so if Jesus was god then people saw god”. Don’t BS me bc I’ll come and throw u in the basement and make u read YOUR OWN book forcefully.
That last part was beautiful he literally nailed it 👏
People believe in good works but the truth is that we are sinners its grace and forgiveness of god that was given us from lord jesus christ
The grounds of a Christian’s Justification are the perfect works of Jesus Christ. Christians are saved by works, but not ther own.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
Cliff educating muslims on their own religion. 😂
nah he didnt telled the whole truth
Uthman, the third caliph of Islam, made the decision to destroy the written copies of the Quran that were in circulation during his time in order to prevent any discrepancies or alterations from occurring. He gathered all the written copies of the Quran, compared them to the original oral recitations that had been passed down from the Prophet Muhammad, and then had them burned to ensure the preservation and accuracy of the holy text. This action was taken to safeguard the integrity of the Quran and ensure that it remained unchanged for future generations.
So many ignorant people down there. Searching for contradictions. the quran has no mistakes.
And who says that uthman tried to hide something. no they were just uncompleted papers so if someone finds it he may alter it and spread lies. Do that's why he burned them.
@syedali7618 he burned them because there were different versions and different recitation of the Koran. It also days he rewrote some of the qurans which means the quran is not PRESERVED! Read Sahih al-Bukhari 4987
@@Velaldo-nw7ve Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.
@@syedali7618 the copies that he destroyed weren't discrepencies, literal other qurans with verses and changes that aren't in teh others
and yes the quran has alot of contradictions, more than teh bible
Despite the burning of other quranic texts, there's also two different versions of the quran. There's the 1924 Egryptian standand which is based on the qira'a of Imam Hafs. And there's the qruan according to Imam Warsh and is mainly used in North Africa.
Those are not different versions. They are different modes of recitation, dialectical in the differences, the meanings do not change, they compliment one another. It is actually one of the miracles of the Quran, the modes of recitation, all if which are revealed.
@@carimaelfarrah7800ok so uthman burnt similar true qurans written in different dialects. So there were different qurans revealed in different dialects, that told basically the same and were burnt? You guys burnt the other true revelations of allah, the literary miracles, and you exoegt us to belueve that is a literary miracle and comes from god? Look how much you respected the other qirats in the times of Uthman.
@@miguellabordaburnett3617 look what Uthman did is proof for the perfect preservation of the Quran and not the other way around. I know this is a favorite talking point of Christians in their attempt to discredit the Qur'an, so I don't blame you for parroting it. I do however challenge you to listen to the videos of Paul over at blogging theology RUclips channel, he has videos explaining the preservation of the Quran and videos based on Christian biblical scholars explaining the corruption of the bible. Look at that again. CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS THAT ADMIT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED. God bless you on your learning journey.
@miguellabordaburnett3617 look what Uthman did is proof for the perfect preservation of the Quran and not the other way around. I know this is a favorite talking point of Christians in their attempt to discredit the Qur'an, so I don't blame you for parroting it. I do however challenge you to listen to the videos of Paul over at blogging theology RUclips channel, he has videos explaining the preservation of the Quran and videos based on Christian biblical scholars explaining the corruption of the bible. Look at that again. CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS THAT ADMIT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED. God bless you on your learning journey.
@miguellabordaburnett3617 look what Uthman did is proof for the perfect preservation of the Quran and not the other way around. I know this is a favorite talking point of Christians in their attempt to discredit the Qur'an, so I don't blame you for parroting it. I do however challenge you to listen to the videos of Paul over at blogging theology RUclips channel, he has videos explaining the preservation of the Quran and videos based on Christian biblical scholars explaining the corruption of the bible. Look at that again. CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS THAT ADMIT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED. God bless you on your learning journey.
Why must God has a son if He is all poweful❔ Begetting a son is an animal act that does not befit the majesty of God Almighty❗WAKE UP Christians❗⛪
Christianity the only way to Peace. Islam brings destruction, hatred, un forgiveness.
Very well said Cliffe! 🙏🏼
While I love Cliffe's courage and knowledge of the Bible, his answer to the Muslim's questions ultimately felt unsatisfactory.
He askes, "why can't I pay?" - 0:31
and additionally at 0:40 "How is [Christ paying for what I did wrong] fair to Christ? Isn't God just towards all?"
and then at 4:35 , "How is it morally ok for someone else to be dying for my sins? Why can't God forgive me on his own?"
and then finally at 4:45, "Why [does someone have to pay the death penalty for my sins]?"
I'll attempt to rephrase these together:
The way I see it, his questions are thus:
Q1: "Why is God not just if he forgives my sins without demanding satisfaction?"
and
Q2: "Why am I unable to make satisfaction for my sins on my own? Why do I need Christ to die to make satisfaction?"
and
Q3: "How can God be just if he punishes someone else for my sins?"
And what is Cliffe's answer?
1:18 Here he replies with a question of his own, "How does God forgive?" and then asks as a follow up, "Is forgiveness simply excusing wrong? Is forgiveness overlooking wrong?"
And then a bit more with, "Is forgiveness acting like, 'Oh well, boys will be boys, Nazis will be Nazis, Hamas will be Hamas, Israel will be Israel.'"
From this, we know what Cliffe says God's forgiveness is not, viz. it is not excusing or overlooking wrong, or live and let live.
4:36 "God can forgive you, but God has chosen to be just, to be the judge, and the penalty for sin is death. Someone's gotta pay the death penalty for my sins".
4:58 "My consequence of [devaluing you, and thereby devaluing God] is I deserve death. Now either I'm gonna pay that death penalty or the judge is going to take my place, and that's what Christ claimed to be doing, to be the judge, God, taking my place, giving his life for me."
In other words, God's justice demands that a sinner dies. Because of this, Jesus takes on the punishment so that we don't have to bear God's justice, and yet He is satisfied.
That is to say, Cliffe is teaching Penal Substitution. Now, what was the Muslim's response?
5:06 "God is that bloodthirsty? I don't think that's a God I want to believe in."
To which Cliffe responds, "Then don't believe in him". This almost sounds like a tacit acceptance of the claim that God is bloodthirsty. If that's not the case, Cliffe, then let me know.
Perhaps that is the only answer you can give if you believe in Penal Substitution, and why I am ultimately dissatisfied with his answer. He left this Muslim thinking that God is like those of the Aztec gods, who is only happy because of the blood of innocent victims. Did he walk away knowing the love of God? Did he walk away having a greater appreciation for the relationship God desires for us? I severely doubt it.
Q1: "Why is God not just if he forgives my sins without demanding satisfaction?"
- God is ultimately the one offended by any sin.
"Against you [God], you alone have I sinned; I have done what is evil in your eyes. So that you are just in your word, and without reproach in your judgment." (Psalm 51:6 NASB; brackets are my addition for context)
- God's forgiveness flows from his compassion and mercy. How does Jesus describe the way God forgives?
"That is why the kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who decided to settle accounts with his servants. When he began the accounting, a debtor was brought before him who owed him a huge amount. Since he had no way of paying it back, his master ordered him to be sold, along with his wife, his children, and all his property, in payment of the debt. At that, the servant fell down, did him homage, and said, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back in full.’ Moved with compassion the master of that servant let him go and forgave him the loan". (Matthew 18:23-27 NASB)
Who stepped up to pay the loan in this parable so that the master could forgive the loan? No one. Was the master acting unjust? No, it's money owed to him, not someone else. What did the servant do that "moved [the master] with compassion"? Begged for mercy.
A1: God is just if He forgives sin without satisfaction since the satisfaction is ultimately owed to Him. The offence is against Him alone, so He is not depriving anyone of justice should he forgive the debt of a sin. This is, however, because of his compassion for repentant sinners who in turn are merciful. This is not excusing or overlooking wrong, but rather, giving a chance to return to right relationship with God. How does the master treat the servant when he later refuses mercy to a fellow servant? The master punishes him justly. What would've happened had the servant never begged for patience? He would've be sold, along with his family and possessions.
Is God more like a simple judge, beholden to the law (and therefore beneath the law), or is God more like a king, with the authority to judge and pardon according to His grace?
Q2: "Why am I unable to make satisfaction for my sins on my own? Why do I need Christ to die to make satisfaction?"
This really is two separate questions, but they get answered similarly.
Firstly, who does our sin affect? God, the infinite being. Secondly, what is meant by satisfaction? In the Gospel of Matthew above, it is likened to settling accounts, so saying satisfaction means something like atonement, restitution, or compensation of a debt is appropriate.
If I sin against God, the infinite being, then I have deprived an infinite being of something (obedience to God), and that deprivation itself is infinite by virtue of the offended party. In order to make atonement for an infinite deprivation, the restitution must itself be infinite.
So why am I unable to make satisfaction for my sins on my own? Because I would not to be capable of making infinite atonement because as a finite being, I am decidedly incapable of doing so. Thankfully, Christ is an infinite being, so any act of atonement He does, which can be done for my sake since we're talking about debts and not prison sentences, is itself an infinite satisfaction.
Note this means Christ didn't HAVE to die in order for Him to achieve atonement for my sins. Any of His actions, as an infinite person, would suffice. Rather, it's more appropriate to say He chose to die as the atonement for our sins. So why did He choose this? That's a big question, so I'll just have to leave it at, "It shows how much God loves us!"
Q3: "How can God be just if he punishes someone else for my sins?"
This is pretty straight forward: He can't be just if he punishes an innocent person for something he/she didn't do. To say otherwise is to say God would have to damn the just to save the unjust. If that really is the case, then I can't see why Cliffe isn't a Muslim. For in Islam, Allah is said to take the sins from the backs of Muslims and put them on Christians and Jews so that Muslims can enjoy paradise.
Pulling from the website, Answering Islam, by Sam Shamoun:
"Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit IN HIS STEAD a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger". (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6666)
and
"Narrated Abu Musa: Allah’s Messenger said: On the Day of Resurrection, my Ummah (nation) will be gathered into three groups. One sort will enter Paradise without rendering an account (of their deeds). Another sort will be reckoned an easy account and admitted into Paradise. Yet another sort will come bearing on their backs heaps of sins like great mountains. Allah will ask the angels though He knows best about them: Who are these people? They will reply: They are humble slaves of yours. He will say: Unload the sins from them and put the same over the Jews and Christians: then let the humble slaves get into Paradise by virtue of My Mercy".
(This Hadith IS SOUND and mentioned in Mustadrak of Hakim). (110 Hadith Qudsi (Sacred Hadith), translated by Syed Masood-ul-Hasan, revision and commentaries by Ibrahim m. Kunna [Darussalam Publishers and Distributors], pp. 19-20).
This is certainly the advantage of not having to respond in the moment, but I pray that Muslim finds Christ and that this encounter was a part of his journey to Him!
That was so lovely. I was encouraged with that, that Jesus " the Love of God" is not just for one nation or race but for the whole world, every nation and every tongue. Thank you Jesus Christ ❤
5:36 even arabs don't understand the quran.
Dude u never searched quran do you 😂
Wil smith, american actor said that quran is crystal clear unlike other books
@user-pm4fk6hc7m The Qur'an can't even do math correctly, look at the inheritance verses.
nobody read fake book kuran @@إبراهيمعفيفي-ك7ر
@@hackbounties114As a Muslim, I find it disrespectful and ignorant for someone to claim that the Quran cannot do math correctly. The inheritance laws outlined in the Quran are not meant to be a mathematical equation, but rather a system of distribution that takes into account various factors such as relationships, responsibilities, and needs of individuals.
The Quran is a divine revelation that transcends human understanding and intellect. It is not meant to be analyzed solely through a mathematical lens. The inheritance laws in the Quran are meant to ensure fair distribution of wealth and resources among family members, and they have been practiced and upheld by Muslims for centuries.
Instead of trying to discredit the Quran based on a superficial understanding of its teachings, I would encourage you to approach it with an open mind and a willingness to learn. The Quran is a source of guidance and wisdom for Muslims, and it is not something to be dismissed or ridiculed without proper understanding.
Love cliffe ❤😊
Man worshipin Pagan
Yes you love a guy who ran away from two college students 😂
Cliffe Kenetchle is the best preacher ive seen 😮
Oh jesus you always give me answers i love you ❤
This Christian speaker is brilliant! Seen him speak a lot of times,very cool,calm,collected and extremely knowledgeable.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
Sin is more than our actions. Our very nature is sinful. We sin because of our sin nature. Weighing up our good actions against our bad ones are insufficient. If we could save ourselves then yes, there would be no need for Christ's sacrifice. However we cannot save ourselves, we require a new nature. Thus God gives us His nature when the Holy Spirit indwells us at the point of Salvation. We become a 'new creation' which is now acceptable into the Holy presence of God.
You sin because of ignorance and wrong view and not because of some sin nature, because if that would've been the case then even an infant can do the sin along with an animal or other non human beings. Which is just not possible because the non human beings doesn't even know the notion of sin or sin is unintelligible to them.
I believe that everyone sins, even infants and animals@@Manoj-vp5in. Adam and Eve, when they first sinned, they brought death to the world, corrupting humans, animals and everything around them (the world), also creating natural disasters.
But this doesn't necessarily mean that infants and animals will go to Hell (animals are assured to not go to Hell, as they are instinctive creatures. Also, sin is not just some rule-breaking thing. It is a corruption, and it brings destruction).
"preserving in arabic" kek so what happens when you communicate it to non arabic-speaking ppl?
You translate it ignorant
That's it
There are translations.. even d original bible was not written in Greek nor English .. it was haramic
You can literally read the translation lol, or tafsir (the explanation).
@@nftphilosopher6349 so not different with bible then?
I have not studied the Quran, however one thing thats bothered me about it only allowed to be written in Arabic in order to preserve the original meaning. All languages drift over time. Words today could mean something different in the past.
Since Muslims place great emphasis on keeping the Quran in the original language, how do they counteract language drift?
idk but if their god cant preserve his own words how can mere human being preserve it? while we who believe that Jesus is Lord can preserve his words no matter what translation people make out of it coz Jesus is the living word
By an enlightened interpretation delivered by an organized magisterium; in this case, the Imams and the Caliphates. Its not unlike how the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Watchtower, and other religious groups retain central doctrinal authority. For better or worse.
Which Cliffe video is this from? I want to watch the full episode on his channel . I see it was recorded at University of Texas but can't find the specific episode on his channel
Wow this was a masterpiece of an explanation... That's why the Bible says STUDY to show thyself approved... great job Mr. Knechtle
I feel that it would be unjust for God to condemn me if he did not walk the earth as Christ. He suffered so he could better connect with us and we could better connect with him. He took on the greatest known physical pain so that we could not have a moral high ground upon him.
You are saying that god got Little knowledge on how to connect with his creation so he needed to walk earth ?
@@إبراهيمعفيفي-ك7ر There is an inherent disconnect between God and humanity. God is an omnipotent omnipresent being at the highest of all kingdoms. How would it be fair for him to judge us if he has not walked amongst us, felt our pain, felt our suffering, our fear, our desires. It would not be fair nor just. Yeshua is the bridge that connects us and shows us that God has walked a mile in our shoes. He has felt what it means to be human therefore we can understand each other better and he can judge us more fairly. That is my belief and if you do not agree you are free to your opinion.
by that logic though, it was "unfair" (i.e. unjust) when God judged Sodom and Gomorrah and other wicked nations in the old testament. there's absolutely NO reason that god "needed" to do anything for us. He saved us because of his unconditional love for us. the only thing any of us really deserve is death and judgement because of our sinful nature. saying it wouldn't be fair for him to judge us for ANY reason implies that we have a higher standard of fairness than God, which simply isn't true. It is very true thought what you said about Jesus being the bridge that connects us to the Father. the fact that Jesus shared in our human experience and felt our pain and desires make him our perfect "high priest." whatever the case, God did come to earth as a man and died for our sins and the fact that he walked among us and knew what it meant to be human makes Him all the more approachable and trustworthy. That indicates how much God really loves us that he would do that when he didn't have to. God understood us before Jesus came because he made us and he knows everything. it's our job to love him with all our hearts and part of that is getting to know and understand Him.
Doesn’t it say in the Quran that a Christian and/or a Jew suppose to take the place of a Muslim who deserved hell? So how can he say it’s not fair for someone to die for my sin. They don’t even know their own religion
It's not correct
As a Muslim, I would like to clarify that the statement you mentioned is not accurate. In Islam, each individual is responsible for their own actions and sins. The concept of someone else taking on our sins is not a belief in Islam.
In Islam, we believe in the concept of personal accountability and that each person will be judged based on their own deeds on the Day of Judgment. It is not fair or just for one person to bear the burden of another's sins.
It is important to approach religious texts with an open mind and seek understanding from knowledgeable sources to avoid misinterpretations. I hope this clarifies any confusion you may have had.
@@Errorshadows333Then why does the hadith Sahih Muslim contradict the Quran and say that Christians and Jews take the sins of Muslims?
@@bigboineptune9567 Reference bro
@@bigboineptune9567 you can't claim this without giving the exact hadith and hadith number
I don’t think this kid understands that we Christian’s and Muslims have the Old Testament in common in which a sacrifice of a goat was required for the forgiveness of sins…
Muslims claim the Torah was corrupted. It's a complete farce.
The sacrifice of the goat was required to get closer to god buddy. God doesn’t need sacrifices to forgive
@@1sosukeaizen1 no it was not, where did you fabricate this nonsense? What scripture backs your claim? Cite your source
@@PurposeDriven7_ since you said I’m fabricating stuff I’ll put it in the original language, Arabic and go ahead and look it up: “قربانا إلى الله". Understand the context and come back. Be nice and I will be nicer.
@@1sosukeaizen1 the Quran states that it supports the Old Testament if that is true. Then it supports… ”‘If his offering is a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish; he shall offer it of his own free will at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord. Then he shall put his hand on the head of the burnt offering, and it will be accepted on his behalf to make atonement for him.“
Leviticus 1:3-4
This video gave me goosebumps. GOD is good!
Wow! I have been following Cliff’s videos for a long time. This to me was THE BEST of THE BEST!!!! He really showed that young guy that the Quran is just a book without any divine work. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻♥️♥️
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
@@user-fb8zn8jj8u You wish.
Just brilliant
Read: Christology in the making, to find out what Jesus really said.
Im just waiting for the "Mohammed's" to swarm the comments section.
In Islam, a tiny fraction of the population of the earth can go to Paradise, but most even Muslim women will be condemned for all eternity.
In the Quan, it says the Muslims will each get a Christian and / or a jew to have them take on their sins, so how is that fair? Mr. Muslim
As a Muslim, I would like to clarify that the statement you mentioned is not accurate. In Islam, each individual is responsible for their own actions and sins. The concept of someone else taking on our sins is not a belief in Islam.
In Islam, we believe in the concept of personal accountability and that each person will be judged based on their own deeds on the Day of Judgment. It is not fair or just for one person to bear the burden of another's sins.
It is important to approach religious texts with an open mind and seek understanding from knowledgeable sources to avoid misinterpretations. I hope this clarifies any confusion you may have had.
As a Muslim, I would like to clarify that the statement you mentioned is not accurate. In Islam, each individual is responsible for their own actions and sins. The concept of someone else taking on our sins is not a belief in Islam.
In Islam, we believe in the concept of personal accountability and that each person will be judged based on their own deeds on the Day of Judgment. It is not fair or just for one person to bear the burden of another's sins.
It is important to approach religious texts with an open mind and seek understanding from knowledgeable sources to avoid misinterpretations. I hope this clarifies any confusion you may have had.
As a Muslim, I would like to clarify that the statement you mentioned is not accurate. In Islam, each individual is responsible for their own actions and sins. The concept of someone else taking on our sins is not a belief in Islam.
In Islam, we believe in the concept of personal accountability and that each person will be judged based on their own deeds on the Day of Judgment. It is not fair or just for one person to bear the burden of another's sins.
It is important to approach religious texts with an open mind and seek understanding from knowledgeable sources to avoid misinterpretations. I hope this clarifies any confusion you may have had.
I never saw Any attempt here to show why justice demands punishment. Nor why heaven demands justice. Nor why justice cannot be satisfied for anyone in heaven when sin is excused without acceptable punishment. Please do better to explain and show the merits of justice.
U can kill, raip, steal and do much more and still go to heaven cause Jesus died for your sins, that is what he clearly said in the video
Totally agree! Where is the justice in assigning the punishment of the crimes of humanity on an innocent person? The only reason Christians believe this is because Paul wrote it...Jesus never said it. Pastors repeat it incessantly, so the lie repeated enough comes to be believed, even though it is irrational and illogical.
True.
Cliffe focused on the other things in this clip. But I agree. Your point is very well stated.
A Muslim must learn the merits of justice, which is very true . If we violate God's justice by sinning then sin must be punished. The punishment that brought us peace was laid upon him. Isa 53 Jesus bore our punishment to satisfy God's justice.
@user-pm4fk6hc7m That is if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Once that happens you will not want to sin.
BOOM! SHAKALAKA!!!!!!!! MASTERFUL!!!!!
On tik tok im seeing videos where they twist this video to make it seem like cliffe lost this debate, even tho cliff won and debunked this guy like it was nothing. It makes me so upset and angry how biased and what liars Muslims are
I love u Cliff, i am catholic but i really admire how u explain
Bible says , the word of God is folly to those who are lost .
Muslim speaking about morality 😂😂
The hypocrisy of a Muslim claiming he doesn't want to follow a "bloodthirsty," God.
They don't know the definition😂
Me: Where's the proof?
Cliffe: Oh, you know very well!
Great job at giving sources and evidence Cliffe!!
Cliff has to be winning the argument, it's self-explanatory
Why? Well I like his talking voice when he talks voice
I'm sure history has Cliffe's back on this one if you're talking about the destruction of the different version of the quran.
Please enlighten us by providing evidence for this claim. Or is it something you made up just now @chrisanderson7258
@@chrisanderson7258 Cliffe has used an old speaker's corner trick, saying there were different versions of the Quran destroyed by Uthman. In reality, Uthman and a council of companions of the Prophet, codified the script of the text into one skeleton script without dialectical annotations. This official text was elaborated under scholarly consensus of the living companions of the Prophet. It was copied and distributed to the scholarly centers where Islam had spread. What was burned were the personal copies of manuscripts with their dialectic annotations, so that the one official script would be hence forward distributed, and would close the door to confusion of new non Arab muslims. The skeletal script that Uthman codified allowed for numerous dialectical recitations while preserving the exact words of the Quran.
@@carimaelfarrah7800so all the copies that were deemed inauthentic were burned? And yet you claimed that the bible cannot be trusted
Your all gangsta till dr zakir Nike shows up 😂🤣
Kek, nike arguments are similar with the dude on backward cap
Who??
zakir Nike = joke
Who?🤣🤣
who lolol
We are all sinners and LOVE saved us by Jesus Christ the wisdom of God, and by signs and wonders His Works against death is purely manifested.
Tnx u bro continueos preaching d word of almighty God 4 Christianity God bless u always ❤❤❤❤....
Jesus Christ is the best ! I think when we die he will be there in his true form power glory and justice . 😊
God is righteous, and a righteous God cannot pardon sin, it must be paid for. That's where Christ comes in, he paid the price, and now God can make us righteous also, if we repent and believe and accept his free gift.
Kudos to Cliffe! I will not debate anyone without doing the same studies!
That was a good question - why would God have to die for a person's sins, rather than just forgiving them. The interpretation of this that makes sense to me is that there is an inherent logic and justice - if God offered forgiveness to humanity without the sacrifice of Jesus' death, then He would also have to offer forgiveness to Satan and his followers without any penalty.
For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
i’m always dreaming on how to become a soldier that can lead an army when armageddon will about to happen. But as i see on how Cliffe is doing. He was a true warrior of God. He’s defending the authenticity of the bible and sharing the good news. I’m all in for my faith in Jesus Christ. one day in this life or after life , i’ll be in the side where Jesus is my King and Lords. Ready to be his soldier in the the last battle called «Armageddon»
Just way till he hears about the hadeeth that says “There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians.”
How do christian receive the authentication message from Jesus if you did not have the original Bible in Aramaic?
The Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and probably more languages. Also, I didn't understand your question.
I love watching this guy. He is so smart and the way he answers is so straightforward.
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Matthew 15:24
But He sent His disciples to preach to all the nations including other religions and gentiles.
God, Jesus, by the Holy Spirit wrote the love of God, Jesus, by men! Inspired by God, Jesus, by men!
My body has been electrified❤️
Damn that professor just roasted that guy
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
Psychology would say cliff lost this one, just look at the way he smirks lol
Guys we have our own religion and they have there’s and i respect all religion so lets just be in peace and stop fighting
We can only preach to them, but its God's work to touch their heart
Amen.
It’s in the Old Testament.
It’s God’s system of justice.
He doesn’t change.
My dawg gettin' it! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I love how Cliff have patience and words and love to explain our true faith❤
This Muslim asked a very pertinent question:
Why did God make Jesus Christ die for our sin if He is a forgiving God?
God is love and out of that love comes forgiveness, longsuffering of wrong, patience, benevolence which requires justice etc.
God is also infinitely holy and protects the holiness of His kingdom with perfect justice.
When one sins he sins first and foremost against God, then His benevolent Kingdom. This means that he sins against eternal righteousness. The penalty of sin against eternal righteousness is death - separation from that righteousness forever. Now the only way that sin can be atoned for is if an eternal propitiation (paid exchange) can be paid for the repentant sinner. And the only one who is eternal is God. Therefore He alone is worthy to pay for the price of man's sin, which He did through the eternal Word of God - Christ. And upon receiving Christ as our saviour and Lord, the repentant sinner becomes a saint (sanctified by faith in Christ) and as a consequence, receives salvation. There is no other way to God but through Christ.
Bible clearly says faith without works is dead so faith is needed yes, but only that is not true faith so no salvation
As a rational Christian of faith, I wish there was a link directing us to the original video. That way we could watch it in its entirety and support the original content creator as well.
*Caliph uthman did that: but only to preserve the original one from the times of prophet Muhammad in the expanding Muslim empires!!* Cause regional variations became a problem!!!
*So the Quran was always one lol cliff don’t know what he is saying*
At the time Caliph UTHMAN, the Islamic empire had spread so far and had many different regions which of course had different accents and dialects of Arabic, and grammar as well. Secondly, the Arab region was not that literate at that time, so the arrival of a religion caused them to learn to read and write. Thirdly, Arabic had not yet developed a standard spelling system so a word could be written in many different ways which could signal different meanings for different dialects.
So when the Caliph Uthman, went on a tour of the states, he saw that people were not reading the Quran in correct accent and punctuation rules were not followed as were correct. So, he went back and ordered the writing of MASTER COPIES of the QURAN (which was written with the agreement of the most respected companions of Prophet PBUH and was in the standard accent and punctuation and had tone markings for people who didn't speak Arabic). He ordered the copies to be sent to all the provinces and that whoever wants to make a copy of the Quran must copy it directly from these master copies. Only these copies will be considered as official ones. After sometime He ordered all the unofficial copies to be burnt so they must not be used anymore.
I dont know if it's my browser, but this video kept skipping and it felt like there was something wrong with the framerate. Please, don't edit your videos to cut out silence in between sentences, or even pauses within a sentence, it makes the video too jarring to watch.
God is not bloodthirsty he's a father who will discipline his children and Jesus isn't bloodthirsty either he taught repentance forgiveness and everything in between and I'll say it again God isn't bloodthirsty
Most people of Islam never read it and have no know only knows what they been told
They always repeat the same arguments, they can't think by themselves.
The Hebrew word “Elohim,” which is used in Genesis 1:1 to refer to God, has been translated as “Allah” in some Arabic translations of the Bible used by both Christians and Jews. Therefore, in those Arabic translations, Genesis 1:1 would read “In the beginning, Allah created the heavens and the earth.”
People are confusing the Muslims with the nonsense name of "Son of God", imagine calling the Father "Father of God" this would be just as confusing. Jesus is not a son outside of God, he is God. Basically God went on the cross himself.
Oh man. So many people in this comment section don't understand the absolute pass Cliffe gave to this Muslim. Notice how he couldn't hold back the smile after this Muslim says, 'If there was 10 versions I would question it.' Wow I cannot believe he let that slide, lol. Talk about humility.
ohh man! I can listen to this guy any time, brilliant, Jesus bless all of you.
There is literally a famous account of a black man befriending a very-high-up in the ranks klansman and spending genuine time with him over the years and that man eventually denounced being a klansman and those two guys were friends until death. Love the sinner, not the sin. Amen!
glory be to God almighty, Christ is for all
Wait I heard this one before.There is this hadith literally:Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)
Burning books in the west is considered disrespectful, but in the middle east any form of text of knowledge that is respectable, if its worn out or not used anymore, you don't want to throw it away in a trashcan or dump it outside so anybody could walk over it, it's even more disrespectful. So it is permissible to burn such things to degenerate them completely, so that may not be disrespected in any way, it may seem disrespectful to Westerners but its normal and a CULTURAL DIFFERNCE.
“Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” - Matthew 10:5-6 How is Jesus for the whole world then?
He answered my question why there is one version of the quran