Haven’t seen other comments do this, or only talk about two secrets, so here’s a list of secret Jevil appearances… mostly the castle town sections. But they’re really clever and very hidden so here goes: 2:17 … Jevil sad but not hidden lol 21:06 ok, real secrets start here; Jevil is at the end of the path to the right. He quickly vanishes when we enter. 21:27 this one is the longest Jevil is visible… it’s only his feet and green shoes where a Hathy would be normally. Goofy Jevil. 22:30 Jevil’s face appears in the cave in the cliff face when Kris & co. leave after talking to Society. (This is the only Jevil appearance I missed the first time, very hidden) 24:05 Jevil’s face is on the FREAKING DISCO BALL (when leaving the dojo). My favorite one. 26:37 Jevil’s face is on the wall next to the stairs. Kris moves quickly so Jevil is only visible for like half a second. These next two don’t really count but Jevil may be easily missed if your not looking too hard 32:10 Susie’s new “pose”. She swings her ax and Shadow Jevil appears from the ax swing and laughs. Clearer version on the JQR community posts! 46:51 When “she is our enemy” is chosen, Jevil’s ghostly eyes and mouth appear to give Susie her “ax” (its the Jevilsknife lol). Scary implication also, Jevil wants some deer for dinner lol. Back to HIDDEN Jevil appearances, although the rest are easier to find than the first crazy batch during the return to Castle Town. 1:32:38 Jevil (normal this time) appears when exiting the dojo. Just standing to the left of the building before disappearing 1:33:18 When entering the room, Jevil is basically standing at the end of the hall and in the main room. Stays a bit before leaving. 1:38:14 Jevil is standing next to the door. Easiest one to spot. Bonus one at 1:40:02 (Jevil is the pocket knife, so it kinda counts) These are all the Secret Jevils I could find(and some bonuses for y’all). I found all except the one mentioned earlier when I watched the video when it first released. Crazy secrets yo. I looked very hard in case there was some super secret Jevil face like… on the castle or sumthin and I haven’t found anything else so I think these are all of them (do I get a prize Mr. JQR?). If someone does find another one, feel free to reply here.
Wow damn, ok, you get my seal of approval and my applause! I did not think ANYONE would be able to find many would be able to find that many secret Jevils, but you did the impossible, like some of these are on screen for 0.0001 seconds, how long did you spend on this?? Cause it looks like it would've taken a lot of time! Anyways you've earned.... uh..... getting pinned on this video?! (Best thing I can think of!) If I may add one to that counter as well, Jevil appears on the bottom left of the screen at like 20:19 when leaving the cafe, it's extremely hard to see since he's only semi visible as the screen turns dark, anyways I think you're the first (and only?) person to find these many Jevils so congrats!
@@JQR. dang, that cafe Jevil is like the most transparent one and I missed it, that one really is like 0.02 seconds. For how long I’ve spent searching, as I said I did find most of these first time watching except for cave face(found it later) and this new one but I used to not comment ever and didn’t want to. So this was technically 2 months in the making, but really like 2 hours plus some time revisiting the Castle Town sections for Jevils. Oh, thank you for the [[W1LD PRIZE]]
@@JQR. heya, heres a fun idea: instead of ralseis current after battles over animation, he takes the hat off to respect the dead, like seen in cowboys movies
@@pyroonbusinesschannel118 I had an idea like that originally but then I realised that Ralsei's real face would be revealed if he took it off which wouldn't bode well with the way this route is going, so I decided to make him look down instead
Wait, I don't Think Susie did not aimed to Noelle, But Kris. I have been re-watching the scene sometimes when SnowGrave casted... The Color palette of the damege numbers SHOULD be NOELLE's. However, In this Route, The Color is KRIS's Which Occured in early ver of deltarune.. Therefore, I belive that Suise had used ACTS to command to Kris for takes them Hands to Give at spamton(?) Much powerful snowgrave to finish him off. Eventually, Kris Follows it. And that is why the color was Kris, Not Noelle...🫨
@@dafhdpcidh2569 Ok so, Kris doesn't move during this entire scene (they don't move an inch). When Susie commands Noelle, Before Noelle starts floating she glows Light blue (Probably to represent Ice) the same light blue the numbers are when damaging Spamton and during Noelle preparing to snowgrave Kris still doesn't move at all, Therefore having NOTHING to do with Noelle's Snowgrave attack against Spamton. The numbers were most likely that color to represent Ice.
@@ultranathan992 Oh then if your thought was right, then I'd just misunderstood due to my selfish vision... So, I had to deceided to researching for aimed Which I didn't knew, Perhaps What were those I didn't concerned and more those causing to created incorrects. Anyway I appriciate to you for points out what i was wrong. ultranathan992. ✍😃👍
So snowgrave was already enough, you tourted / traumatized a child and killed a child, now you traumatize / change another child to be evil, weird route + snowgrave = kris is the villain
@@PhantomOfficial07 That one part in Snowdin during Undertale's Genocide Run before the Papyrus fight, where Sans tells you "if you keep going the way you are now... You're gonna have a bad time.".
@@lasagna3289nah the closest you get to it is if you take her watch in the darkworld and put it on kris, but you dont actually get to say anything to her
@@CatzRuleGaming Kris isnt the one speaking. Its us. it doesnt matter if Kris is interupted. If we pick the option to say "In your dream." Noelle will hear that either way. Kris doesn't say that for us. She only finds that out in the watch variant though. so if she doesnt hear it either way thatd make sense
I personally like the implication that Noelle's Snowgrave is STILL more powerfull than Susie's Devil Buster with her killing Spamton while Susie just left him gravely hurt.
well, the thorn ring seems to be more powerful than any devilsknives and clown's tails. And besides, Susie is already strong, But Noelle has a lot of potential.
@@dylanzlol7293 That and Noelle's spells work on purely magic, while Susie's hybridize attack and magic. So maybe Noelle's got the edge due to focusing more on magic.
@@yexe9129 Thinking about it, Ralsei could also be a strong magic user like Noelle. The thing is, he doesn't use his magic for violence, So his strength isn't properly utilized. Actually, let's bring up some non-partner characters, Berdly. Ironically, he could be part of a weird run where he's the one that's being manipulated, First, He has a lot of HP and his magic attacks seem pretty good (Look at the Ch1 vs. Susie and Lancer fight, Susie's solo attacks aren't that hard [Through i'm sure it happens because Susie hasnt unlocked her potential at that potential] while Berdly is able to put up good fights.), Berdly could be able to use strong attacks like cmon he has a tornado attack imagine if he had a weird route boost. Lancer. Okay so, Lancer is pretty weak in his current state, but look at his HP broo he resisted the strength of an angry Susie dealing 300 damage per attack (this battle happens after a battle against us, so he should be feeling a bit worn out from having to battle so soon again. however dam he's able to handle it perfectly), I'm sure that Lancer could get stronger easily, comparing him to his father (chaos king), I'm pretty sure he'd get extremely strong easily.
@@dylanzlol7293 I see your points, though some details we learn in ch2 give me things I wanna mention: Berdly. Unlike Susie who's mostly physical with some magic and Noelle who's barely physical, very magic, Berdly seems to be a balanced deal, as apt physically as magically, or a jack of all trades. Furthermore, Berdly and Noelle were in the cyber dark world for an undisclosed amount of time, which means Berdly likely had time to figure out stuff, likely on his own because we know how little Queen cares about him most of the time. And he is armored, so he could be tanky, yes...also this is making me think the magic potential corrolates to smarts for some reason, lol. As for Lancer: we already knew that Lancer is not strong. His attack is low. However, we know he's bouncy, to the point he would've just shrugged off being dropped off the castle. And we don't know how long the gang's in the jail, which could let him get his breath, since he also ate the dark candy before said castle. So Lancer seems like a tank archetype to me...hell without his bike he'd likely be much slower.
@@yexe9129 So berdly is a possible candidate. Lancer may not be strong, but he could be stronger. His father is pretty strong, the potential is there. I think that his willingness to Proceed may depend a bit on Susie due to the close bond they have, Maybe if we could somehow set up both the "Lancer route" and the susie weird route at the same time, there could be a Lancer weird route.
54:40 i just love this part, it's just so well done, the transition from mean to kind is so hard felt, the way she removes her hairs from her eyes, and the "I'm glad you DID stop" is just so great, that's incredible work, even the face, but the best thing is that you managed to do this transition without making it weird, she's still herself
19:26 I imagine if you picked the "fix us" option he'd say something like "You are beyond fixing." and that's it, no animation of him hitting you to be found.
@@JQR. Maybe in a couple of chapters down the line? You know.. crossing that point beyond return. Like a hidden hardcore mode. Neither save points or the "fix us" option work anymore. You only heal via items or your mage (that let's be honest, by this point it's gonna be Noelle.)
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 no no no, save points should work but not heal you and (if you have full/high hp) remove 1 hp, since beating a chapter without saves isn't exactly enjoyable and wouldn't make sense
I like how Ralsei was the "your choices don't matter" character instead of Susie on the Cyber City path, really shows his continued reluctance to helping Susie and Kris with everything.
susie laughing after telling noelle to use ''snowgrave'' is fucking wild i love when fans make more disturbing stuff than the creators of the game themselves
@@theladiescallmesona 5:27 in the Rudy hospital scene (chapter one) he talks about how noelle is scared of everything and how she can’t do anything for herself. He also says to keep an eye out for her. This hints towards us needing to “help” her.
I love how Rudy tells KRIS to keep an eye out for Noelle, showing that Kris also hates that the snowgrave/wierd route happens and that it is entirely the player doing it. I feel it is great to separate Kris from the player like that.
That's... NOT what that tells us. It tells us that Rudy believes in Kris, and that they'll do whatever they can to protect Noelle, since they're childhood friends. It only shows us what Rudy feels about Kris and Noelle's relationship. It's also good foreshadowing about stuff to come
@@gonerdenjiLMAO FR (Tldr: fandom doesn’t know what a demo is and how demos work and the fandom also horribly misreads everything in the game in some way) this is probably gonna devolve into rambling but idrc since it’s been bugging me nobody is talking about it and when they do they dismiss it but demos are DEMOS they will give you a taste of the experience of what you’re getting into and they will hide/omit a LOT key examples being the elemental system, the sky mantle, and the twisted sword (this one being the biggest one) the elemental system isn’t unused, it’s clearly used but not in the demo! I mean just look at the sweepstakes, the code, the recruits even! Why keep bringing up an “””unused””” system if it’s unused? Because it’s a demo and when the full game releases it will be used! Why keep the twisted sword, only obtainable through a weird route item and an “unused” item in the game, in one of the most important shop npcs, in the overall main hub??? Because clearly outside of the demo theres plans for it to be used and it’s teasing us for whats to come like a demo does!!! The sky mantle falls under a similar umbrella that the twisted sword does in that it’s unused but also has the added stuff from the elemental system and the pure crystals! (based off of the “unused” shadow crystal purification and shadow mantle) deltarune has fallen under every conventional demo umbrella under the sun plus some and people are acting like it’s all a full game, it’s crazy and illogical! Also don’t get me started on the weird tendency the fandom has to completely miss read a characters personality (biggest offenders being the bone brothers, one being a guy who hates jokes and is obsessed with spaghetti even though it’s clearly displayed throughout the game that he isn’t that, and the other being reduced some cool dude who is hot and stuff which again just isn’t who he’s portrayed as at all!) Hopefully this rambling thing made sense, it’s been bugging me for a while that people within the fandom are like this.
Ngl, I like the detail that Catti *immediately* notices something's off when interacted with. And her refusal to talk after snowgrave ch 2. Also it just clicked how Ralsei had to deliberately go against the player out of concern.
Thank ye! And yeah you're right about Catti's reaction, another reason why she reacts like that also is from her hatred of Susie established in normal Ch2 (Susie doesn't go in the diner since Catti 'hates her guts') And also glad you noticed that most of Ralsei's actions were from concern and not ill-intent!
@@JQR. What I said about Ralsei wasn't I thought it was ill intent. I meant "Huh, Ralsei seems to be deliberately against what the player's doing" ,which contradicts his normally gung-ho attitude to help the player.
@@JQR. Just thought of this: If you're gonna continue to do this after the next chapters come out, maybe a cool detail could be that despite the level increases, if Ralsei FIGHTs, his attacks will barely do damage, given his increased reluctance to help you, or him defending giving Less TP, aka: making Susie even angrier.
Honestly Spamton in this Snowgrave seems like the hero, you’ve ruined the psyche of two people and killed nearly the whole population of two worlds, and all Spamton wanted was the power to rule over the city, he has nobody to rule over and you’ve destroyed the city, and while I’m sure stopping you to save people isn’t his priority, it’s a benefit to what he’s doing.
To be fair, stopping kris from sealing the fountain and saving everybody isnt the most heroic thing, because then spamton is just dooming the entire world. If spamton truly wanted to be heroic, he couldve taken the thornring away from noelle or dont even encourage this behavior on the first place, telling kris to kill more people to get the thornring and then act all heroic afterwards is hypocritical. Spamton wasnt heroic in the snowgrave run at all
@@dylanzlol7293 actually, spamton at least in the normal route tries to take your soul, remember this is an Undertale universe so souls are still important and also determination, we don't know what happens if a darkner gets a human soul (he probably saw a monster one already too, as he said he hasn't seen a soul like we have), so there's a possibility all could end well if he got our soul
@@mariotheundying given what spamton did to everyone in the castle after receiving the neo body, i doubt that spamton will do anything good, i do theorize that a darkner with a lightner soul may be able to get into the light world.
Just want to say here, these are some of the best deltarune animations. There’s no obvious shipping/bias, everyone’s in character, and just the animation in general is amazing. Keep it up! Also, the lag is a lot less noticeable now!
Thank you! I'm still trying to improve my setup to have no lag at all, also it's good to know that I've gotten everyone's character somewhat right, it's honestly the main thing I'm trying to get down
@@kaled8839 hmm, I'll keep that in mind whenever there are scenes that have him, he's definitely the hardest for me since he's the most... unpredictable? I guess?
This is just so good, chapter 1 designs showing how the characters aren't getting their proper development is a nice touch. Seeing Susie turn into a true gamer is also interesting. This is goin in my favorites, amazing video! Animated or Modded?
this is so good omfggggggg bro the part where susie looked at you dead in the eye and the music cuts out bc you said you wanted to hang out with ralsei was SO CHILLING and the long pause DID NOT HELP. beautiful
I mean imagine apologizing for killing half of the population, that's just like apologizing to a gamer for erasing his best save file he spend so much time doing (note: not speaking from experience)
@@marcellinarosales6362 it wasn't Best of Best but i meant someone sneaking in to your game while... idk, you're in school, and THEN erasing it. I'm lucky no one is that "troll-y"(?) who is able to do that around me.
1:26:42 I LOVE the ringing sound that was added and how there was no awkward interruption from Susie. It really emphasizes just how badly Noelle is broken psychologically.
Oh this was super well done! I loved every minute of it and you really capture the essence of Weird Route with Chapter 1. Ralsei I think was characterized very well and his dialogue sprites were very good. There the obvious roughness on some custom animations and grammar mistakes, but that’s no biggie. Overall I’m very impressed, amazing job! Honestly I can’t tell if I like this one or Salt Route better- but if I had to guess probably this one, just because of what you set up with Susie replacing Ralsei could bring. I like forward to a potential follow up when 3, 4, and 5 come out!
Eyo thank you! Good to see that I kinda recaptured the Ch 1 weird route essence, still trying to improve my sprites for future videos also! I do still plan to remaster that one video of the salt route btw, so your opinion might shift rapidly when that comes out :)
1:16:09 love how this part it’s mostly *YOU* whispering and calling for help normally until Kris just decides “Noelle please *we* need you” and screams her name
Hi JQR! Really happy to see this come out. I might do a more detailed analysis later on but for now I just want to get my initial thoughts down and give some much-deserved feedback on all the hard work you've put into this. I liked the fact that Susie expressed doubt and even guilt about her actions when coming off the genocide path. I thought that was really well expressed. Given how hard Susie tries to maintain her merciless outer persona it makes sense that she'd be a bit of a mess inside and would take the first opportunity a friend offered to guide her out of it. It also addresses a lot of my earlier criticism of Susie's bloodlust seeming to come out of nowhere as it makes a lot more sense if she's partly caught up in the joy of having a friend to share her violent tendencies with and partly being pressured into doing it to keep up appearances. If you already believe you need to confront the world with violence and threats and you then meet someone you like who encourages you to solve things with violence and threats then you're much more likely to continue to solve your problems with violence and threats (and side against those who want to take a more conciliatory path. Poor Ralsei...) I took note of the criticism about the changes to hometown seeming 'edgy'. I have to take some responsibility here as I put forward those ideas. This is a quick 1-2-3 so I won't go into too much detail but the summary of my thoughts might be that I underestimated how well Kris keeps their emotions under wraps (they only ever show distress for a few seconds) and that making the interactions a little subtler might work better. MK realising that Kris is angry and awkwardly backtracking rather than him being outright terrified of Kris hitting him. (He's more confused by the strength of Kris's reaction rather than scared of the threat of the violence itself as he doesn't understand where Kris's anger is coming from. The 'Jeez is she forming a gang now' was almost sarcastic in my head when I originally wrote it as he's more put off by Kris's behaviour than actually intimidated by it.) As nice as they sounded to me on paper a lot of the smaller things around town could probably be cut and I think the music cutting out when Kris gets angry at Noelle suggesting a gift for Susie might have been a bit overkill. That said I admire the way you took the idea and ran with it. MK being terrified by Kris feeds in really well with Noelle wondering if they are being threatened after they show guilt despite outwardly appearing to be a bully victim and it all builds into the reputation that Kris and Susie appear to start to build by the end of chapter 2 of being intimidating ruffians who actively scare their classmates with their presence alone. That aspect was really well done and on second watch I can see what you were going for with that creeping increase in dread. It also makes the regret Susie feels when coming off of the path more poignant. Susie clearly realises what she was turning into and expresses gratitude in Kris snapping her out of it. I'm running out of time despite having so much more to talk about so it'll have to wait until I get home. I want to end on a really positive note so I'll say that I LOVED what you did with Castle Town. The SOUL's possessiveness of it shines through as they call it 'My Castle Town' even as it crumbles to dust around them from neglect. In the normal route you get to see the town slowly come to life but somehow we see that progress turn into the negatives here as the neglected buildings crumble to dust and opportunities are lost forever due to the player's callousness. The tragedy of Ralsei having to watch all of this as he becomes more and more isolated is extremely well done and I think this was one of the strongest aspects of the entire work. I've got to run off now but I hope to continue this in a bit more depth later. Thanks again for this JQR.
Yo it's great to see you here Napoleon Complex! I'm glad that some of the weird route aborts managed to address your criticisms, I tried to connect Susie back to how she acts in normal Deltarune to remind the player/viewer that she isn't literally just a stone cold killer; I tried to make a bigger disconnect between how she acts in this route and the normal route, though I don't know how well it worked. Like you said, I tried to run with your idea of Kris getting angry at MK though, looking back at it, the scene went too long and is a bit out of place in the hometown environment, I think the more subtler interaction you just suggested would've better suited the hometown environment, with a remark from MK instead of a cutscene. Oh yeah, the music cutting out when Noelle suggests a gift is completely coincidental, I didn't mean for that to happen and somehow it slipped past me! Thank you for looking at the Castle Town tidbit, it was probably the one thing that wasn't in Jummy's concept which I put a lot of thought into, my thought was that if the Castle Town grows with every new recruit you get shouldn't the opposite happen if you try to lose them? We see this in the base game to an extent with how Sweet Cap'n Cakes don't get their shop if not everyone is recruited, the idea is that as chapters go on more and more buildings will start crumbling and sections of the Castle Town will be blocked off! Anyways it was very cool to hear from you again, if you ever end up adding onto your points such as critiques or feedback I'd be happy to reply!
I just realized in the hospital scene for Snowgrave Noelle seems scared of Susie, not like the normal Snowgrave where she seems more blushy and embarrassed The scene after you leave the room as well, it looks like Noelle had an episode and Susie didn't de escalate the situation, and Noelle might be more susceptible to our influence
This is amazing! I much prefer the idea of a Chapter 1 weird route that is even more specific than 2's. And it makes more sense, story wise. Jevil gave you himself to wield, and causing rampant chaos is what he does best, which is helped bu Susie's thirst for violence and the objective to get stronger. I also like how things extent to chapter 2, like Spamton and Berdly noticing something wrong, or Susie thanking you for stopping if you abort the route, the writing of that was very well done might I add. I also noticed something really important: Susie and Ralsei look the same way in Chapter 2 as they did in one here, because they didn't finish their arcs that lead to them looking differently. Susie never stood up to the king and neutralized him without violence, hence her eyes no longer being hidden, and she learned to become a kinder person. Ralsei is simpler: he was never told to take off his hat, so he keeps wearing it. A few more details: in the non Snowgrave route, Ralsei deliberately avoids healing Susie when she hurts herself, yet she learned true Ultimate Heal. She stopped fighting and learned to heal, she also seemed happier after this. She only seemed like a true jerk in the Devilsbuster+Snowgrave route, she acts very apathetic though it seems she never learned to open up and more like her self from the beginning of Chapter 1, perhaps moreso. That would be because she was taken back on her character growth and made to fight people
Heck yeah love that you filled out this concept even further! Time to see just how far we can take this... *Ch1 Abort* 0:54 Heh, and Ralsei picks it up as worry and assures you instead, which causes Susie to remember her promise to Lancer, and question what just happened... can't keep her blindly moving forward if you don't make her follow. 2:38 Heh you just get locked out. Does that mean you're locked into the run once you kill the first Rudinn? 3:34 I mean I'd be pissed too lol. *Ch1 Hometown* (To be fair while these changes make sense, it's kinda weird that they happen after a Ch1 Weird route when nothing about Kris's demeanor changes after a Ch2 Weird route in-game) 5:54 Uhhh inadvertent Snowgrave hint from Rudy? 6:34 I think Catti's dialogue is slightly different, the confused expression is new. 7:29 Oof- and Kris is a _lot_ more pissed off now, especially since Susie's even worse because of the player. Poor MK better be careful. 8:47 Dang Alphys really just brought up the divorce. 10:43 Guilty cus we just made her worse >:D 11:02 Kris is just like "stfu Noelle istg" 12:43 Bruh. *Chapter 2 - Castle Town* 14:12 Oh right nearly forgot Ralsei never takes off his hat. ...And Susie's still bloodthirsty for the King. 15:38 A _dusty_ ball. 15:44 New audio? 16:32 RIP Lancer's subjects- oh and Rouxls just faceplants ig lol. 18:13 Poor Ralsei's so desperate. 18:40 Oo new Castle Town music... and a very sad Don't Forget. Makes me think of Holly Jolly Village from M&L Partners in Time. 21:09 Well damn. 22:48 Hah, Seam doesn't care, he's just amused that Jevil gets to play again. Might as well leave you to your murdering spree, it doesn't affect him. 23:20 Awww sleeping Clover. 24:14 Your power... 24:36 Right and Coatrack Jack doesn't have the hat this time. 25:09 Well at least Susie's not out to kill him. 25:42 Oof Susie doesn't get a room, though I don't see how a lack of hands contributes to that? Pretty sure Ralsei did them himself, given everyone just arrived here. 27:05 Aw cute cutscene in Kris's- ohp and a slightly ominous lecture from Ralsei. Sorry man, Susie's got a taste of blood. 28:40 _Your_ Castle Town. 29:13 Ralsei quickly regretting lecturing Susie- not quite as confident when confronting a killer. *Cyber World* 30:55 Susie's very eager to fight now- and like the new "dead" symbol. 31:24 Oh damn she just takes them out- 32:09 I saw that sparkle Jevil face- 32:24 Is Susie hitting the machine every time you get hit? 33:12 Lmfao "Ok Rude". 34:09 I was say maybe you can take them out but Ig Devil's Buster can only hit two? Guess you can't surpass the milk. 34:50 Not gonna comment on most of the Ralsei sprite changes since you just used the Hatted Ralsei mod for it, but this dance is cute. 36:33 Yeah and Susie's still just as stubborn as with K.Round. Which forces Ralsei to learn R-Action on his own. 37:32 Except Susie, who's just not amused lmao. 39:03 Pft Berdly realizing how powerful we are from our insane stats. 40:55 And Ralsei's too scared to heal her... 41:30 Ooo Ralsei's keeping her down and out so she can't hurt anyone? That's horrible but... also kinda necessary for him. 42:45 And Ralsei overrides our choice for once... And he takes away your greatest weapon in the process. Oh well. There's always still Noelle. :) 43:10 Oh neat some new dialogue from Noelle instead. 44:30 Was Ralsei trying to teach Susie how to be kind? 44:46 Oh yooo Susie's super strong with magic now, and her UltimateHeal is truly ultimate! 45:24 Yeah that'd be genuinely scary for him to hear. xD 46:46 I was worried about that- goddamn almost got Noelle actually killed! At least Susie just has a sense of humor... morbid as it is. 47:32 Noelle's crush almost overrided by a fear of Susie? That's scary. 48:56 Ooo Spamton knows what Kris has been doing? Though they didn't do anything to Spamton, and I don't think he's blame Kris considering he knows Kris is being controlled. 49:30 Yeah Susie's ready to trash the power of NEO. 49:42 Hah and Spamton already notices Jevil's presence. Not cool! 50:26 Guess there is a slight bit of heroism to stopping Jevil. 51:33 Ofc Susie's immediately pissed off, she wanted to kick Queen's but! No one jails Susie! 52:00 Pft yeah knew Queen would comment on it. *Ch2 Abort* 52:52 Would Susie still tell Berdly it's ok for him to be dumb then? 53:53 Oo custom whip around sprite. 54:28 Oh geez Susie's disappointed- she trusted Kris would let her kill and they didn't. What gives? 54:44 That animation of Susie brushing her hair up is cool, like turning over a new leaf. But cool, she's glad we stopped! She gets to see what the other side of the coin is like... which makes me wonder, if you don't stop, she never knows, and just continues killing... *Snowgrave* 56:12 I'm guessing everything with Noelle in the city is the same then. 56:18 Rromise not to say anything to who, Ralsei? 56:32 Hah, and Susie's still on our side. 57:20 And Susie just doesn't care if Rouxls is dead. 59:43 Oh that's a cool way to parody the pots, Susie having no patience for the pipis maze and destroying as much as she can. 1:01:27 Holy crap 1200- 1:03:35 Susie and Noelle proceed to bond over becoming serial murderers. 1:04:05 Daaamn Kris just tries to leave him. 1:06:09 I mean they do that at the end of the Chapter anyways lol. 1:15:10 So Susie still doesn't respond to the call... 1:15:57 Oh damn and Noelle doesn't either. 1:16:36 Ooo Kris _screamed_ for Noelle. 1:16:54 Ok so it's "You" called out to Susie now, so making use of her from the player like with Noelle? 1:17:03 Lmfao [[Old favorites]]. 1:17:15 Well that's a terrifying image. And "If you need a job done, just call me." Jealous we have two pawns Susie? 1:17:34 Ooo but Devils Buster doesn't kill Spamton NEO, it injures him greatly, but he's not dead, not like with Noelle. 1:17:56 Oh crap last minute shot- 1:18:17 Oh no Susie didn't turn up the juice enough. 1:18:54 Alright, Noelle's turn. 1:19:03 Neat Snowgrave chimes sound effect, wonder where you found that? ;) 1:19:06 Oh damn that's an insane amount of damage- *Ch2 Hometown* (Oh guess you made some changes after Snowgrave too, but for both weird routes only is still a little weird imo.) 1:19:35 Noelle Snowgraven even in her sleep- creepy. 1:20:12 Susie's more confident too... even when Noelle says it's a nightmare, Susie just assumes she's afraid of her and shrugs it off. 1:21:37 Oh that's the one that normally crashes after Spamton NEO's fight... red particles huh? 1:22:06 I guess Susie sticking with Kris is still kinda wholesome? 1:23:38 Noelle notices Susie first again... and Kris is just an afterthought. 1:24:35 Attagirl. 1:26:43 Oh cool Susie doesn't interrupt, and Noelle just runs. 1:27:38 Damn Susie doesn't go to Castle Town. 1:29:38 Yeeeaaaah 1:29:44 Oh rip Cafe. 1:30:13 Pft you have a point. 1:32:50 Uhh... blooper? xD Pretty sure Jevil's been defeated. 1:34:21 Damn that's a good Swatch sprite... he pretty buff tho too. 0///0 1:34:40 Well, at least the Swatchlings weren't killed... 1:35:24 Twice the power even. 1:37:18 Oh yeah poor Lancer doesn't get to see Susie... or eat rocks with her I guess. And Ralsei's getting more and more worried. 1:38:30 Pft Ralsei can't wave cus no arms under coat- 1:39:50 Daaamn straight up grabs MK. asdas SHE HAS A KNIFE!? A she damn near stabbed MK- 1:40:24 I don't think Susie quite understands how the dark world transforming works yet, but it's a neat idea. I doubt the Devilsknife is a pocket knife though. 1:40:36 Well Kris does like knives. 1:41:15 Ah, Susie just doesn't care about Catti being there now, and Catti decides to leave instead. 1:43:09 Damn what is life without being friends of Jockington? :( 1:44:07 Yeeaaah Susie has no time for Sans's shenanigans. 1:45:19 Oh damn uh- is Susie threatening Kris now-? This is gonna be one long and awkward cutscene with Toriel haha. 1:47:09 Oooo ouch... But Toriel doesn't seem too phased. 1:51:18 Susie's a bit more pushy about wanting to go home, but yeah Toriel wins anyways. Gotta have her for the third Dark World! 1:53:38 And now the conversation's more about getting stronger instead of hanging out with her friends... that's a subtle but telling change. 1:54:40 Pfft Susie still jealous? 1:54:54 Well that pissed her off lmao. All in all really cool concept! Love how many small changes were added, even if sometimes they were a bit much. Feels let this route would genuinely continue for the whole game!
Eyo cool seeing u here! I'll go over the random questions you had or just comments that I'd want to comment on (does that even make sense..?) *Ch 1 Aborts* 1. Honestly I felt like I needed to justify why Susie was so remorseless in the previous ch 1 video so I thought, that picking the other option would put that on full display 2. Ye after you kill the first Rudinn back at the Great Door you are now completely locked into the run, I kinda did this just so it's a bit easier for someone not to screw the route up if this was playable, also since you'd be going out of your way just to go back to the start of the game *Ch 1 Hometown* 1. Yup that was a sneaky little hint from rudy for SnowGrave 2. Not really commenting on a specific point here, but I'd just like to say looking back on this section I think I overdid it with Kris acting out as much as they did here (and with Susie later in the bunker cutscene), original intention was for it to be displayed that they were incredibly distraut here since it's been established that Susie is someone that Kris looks up to (as seen in Ch 2 and pre ch 1 in that one story from the Spamton Sweepstakes), though I think I should've just stuck with NPC hinting that they look kinda upset instead of dedicating complete cutscenes to it :p *Chapter 2 Castle Town* 1. I honestly don't even remember why I had new audio at that part?? I think I had a gif of the recording which is what I use to draw stuff on top of, but I didn't actually have the original recording so I tried to dub everything though I couldn't find the exact sounds I think(?) And that's why it sounds weird 2. Damn y'know what, now that you mentioned it? The town theme does kinda give off a similar vibe to Holly Jolly Village, unrelated but the music that plays during this section is called MUS_*MAN*_ESCORE 3. The whole Ralsei lecture cutscene plays as a replacement to the one that would take place in Susie's room, not rlly something you asked but something I just wanted to point out *Cyber World* 1. Basically by spamming the controls on the arcade machine Susie will eventually just break the machine, showing that she's grown physically stronger and ending that section way earlier 2. Never underestimate the power of *milk* 3. Actually sprites like Ralsei's dance or his coaster were actually made by me, the hat mod was used but that was only to automatically resprite all of his ch 2 sprites into his base ch 1 sprites (to save time on me manually respriting his walk up or down sprites), I didn't want to use any of the custom made ones, not 'cause they're bad!! I think they were extremely well made, but just because I wanted to try my hand at making my own, there is one time you can see a custom sprite from the mod, it's at 1:07:00 for one of his face sprites (I forgot to make one for that expression) 4. Yup and because Susie is so stubborn she just doesn't end up learning S-action 5. Yeah I guess you could say he was teaching her to be nice 6. The part where Queen reacts to Susie kicking her cell was semi-inspired by, uh, the omega flowey fight, at the end if you keep running into his pellets when he has you surrounded and calls you out on it *Ch 2 Aborts* 1. In a way I guess Susie would encourage Berdly (Indirectly and way more aggressively) to be dumb and he'd still take it as honest encouragement 2. Damn you basically described what I was trying to convey at the last scene, yeah she sees the other side by being 'good' and feels sorta remorse *Snowgrave* 1. Yup everything stays the same with Noelle 2. I shoulda definitely lowered their stats, everyone's completely cracked during the mansion bit-- 3. I thought it'd be cool if there was more of a buildup to Susie getting called during the NEO fight so I did just that! 4. Something I woulda changed during the cutscene after the NEO fight would be to down Susie as well, she could realistically hit him again and it would've been over, the main reason for having this cutscene was that I wanted Noelle to deal the killing blow since this is a chapter centered around her, not Susie like Jummy's concept detailed 5. Hrmm damn I don't know if I exactly remember the channel that I got the chime from :) *Ch 2 hometown* 1. Actually that's a different computer! (The other one next to it) I made it like that since in this route you'd be disintegrating and freezing enemies 2. Ye, originally I was actually going to have Susie leave Kris after this but then I realised that she is 99.99% likely to be in ch 3 so I changed that 3. Buildings like the cafe getting destroyed was part of an idea I had where you're town would get more and more destroyed from not recruiting enough enemies, kinda the opposite to recruiting enemies where you're town grows as a result 4. Ah damn you got me, that's a big blooper, I was playing on a save file where I didn't beat Jevil, it was late so I didn't notice either :p 5. Ye I think I might've overdid it with the Susie bunker scene like I mentioned earlier 6. Yeah I agree with you with Susie probably not knowing that objects in the dark world have a light world counterpart 7. I don't necessarily think it would be a pocket knife either, but did it anyway since Jummy mentioned the possibility in his comment section; since he came up with the original concept I just included it 8. Thought it'd be cool if the reason for the conversation shifted a bit in Toriel's House between Kris and Susie, I think it got translated pretty well! Anyways thanks for taking the time to look at this! I tried to make this fit and work as an actual route in base game Deltarune (that's basically every video on this channel, haha) with a few bits and pieces here and there that didn't really work out
@@JQR. I think I forgot to respond to this lol- - Yeah I can see how Susie would get so focused on kicking the King's ass. -It kinda works too because regardless of the trauma and homicide Snowgrave brings, Noelle does get more confident... -I've never really gotten the impression Susie is someone Kris "looks up" to? I see them as just being good friends with Susie in Ch2, and not really giving a crap about her bullying in pre-game. But yeah, no real custom cutscenes and Kris movements would make much more sense and be more in Toby's style. Besides, you don't even see Kris rip out their soul yet at this point, it'd be really confusing for the player. Toby doesn't drop hints about Kris reacting to our control even subtly until Ch2. -Why didn't you just re-record it? xD -Eyy fellow M&L enjoyer. Also wait what? Why would the Man be associated in this? You can't even get the egg in Snowgrave. -Susie officially a rage gamer. -Oh cool! Good job keeping everything yours then. Also any place I could see the actual sprites for the mod without downloading it and playing it myself? I can't seem to find any videos showcasing it- -Wait so you meant something slightly different? -That scene did seem familiar, it would be like Toby to reuse that joke. :P -Ah yes interpreting insults as praise and advice, typical Berdly. -I think it might be fine for Noelle, and she's made so OP in canon Snowgrave likely cus she's not going to be in future chapters as a party member, at least not soon. Meanwhile Susie we'll likely be having in every chapter, so her stats matter more. -I like the idea of Noelle going Snowgrave and Susie just physically restraining her asking her wtf's going on before Susie gets called lol. -Fair. And after all, while Susie's stronger and pretty brutal, Noelle's still supposed to be much more special in having insane powers, so it makes sense she's the only one who can finish Spamton off. - ❄ -Ah makes sense. -Ooo that's a neat idea, crumbling Ralsei's home beneath his feet. -RIP. -Gotcha gotcha. -Ah fair enough homage, I just can't see why a pocket-knife would be in a children's classroom lol. A jester card doesn't really normally have a scythe though, so it must be something. All in all it's pretty accurate, just went a bit too far in some places. We've got 5 chapters to go!
@@TheAdvertisementmaybe if something about the nature of something In the dark world changes [i.e. darkner to weapon] It could change the item if the change makes it inherently different in more ways then usage/purpose? Just food for thought.
I guess it's safe to say that Sweet Cap'n and K_K are the strongest monsters in all of Deltarune, considering they can tank and survive both Devilsbuster AND Snowgrave
@@JezElectro13 K.Round can die if you modify your attack stat though, even if you give your entire team max attack/magic, you can't kill Sweet Cap'n or K_K, they'll always live with 1% health
@@JQR. it shows he is less confident and weaker mentaliy as he does not banish susie and kris for there homework bc hes probs scared of susie hurting him
The fact the Cafe is in ruins is perfect lore wise. Ralsei said more Darkners makes the town go stronger, so this is what happens when the town grows too weak.
I really love the amount of detail put into these videos. The characters are portrayed incredibly well, and the dialogue feels accurate. I put a playthrough of a normal Deltarune walkthrough on another tab, and going back and forth and catching all the differences was fun to do. Minus a few grammar errors, I definitely can imagine something like this could've come from Toby. I look forward to this series continuing in 2026 when Toby releases Chapters 3-5 (ok probably not that long I hope lol)
Thank you so much! It's kinda wild how all these little references and changes that I made are getting dissected in this amount of detail, I honestly thought that people would pay no mind to them, so it's nice when someone finds one And ye I'll maybe try to carry this on when Toby releases the next chapters, hopefully with waay less spelling errors, ha ha, in the meantime I've got some other stuff in the works!
You did really well! You could tell that Ralsei doesn't just stay close to Kris, but still leaving remarks with hidden meaning that none of the characters catch, because he's referring to the player, nudging them into sparing even one single person. The set up for Ralsei's eventual demise or refusal to tag along is also pretty cool :3
Yo! I think you might be the first person to catch that, I tried to make him face the camera a bunch to hint at that fact whenever he was talking in any cutscenes. Also fun fact: I originally intended to make his refusal to keep participating happen in this chapter, it was going to happen in the mansion after you kill your first enemy with Susie, at that point he would always heal the enemy that was closest to death so you wouldn't be able to slay anything during this section and he would also outright refuse to fight, but I realised that DevilsBuster kills enemies in one hit so this idea fell apart, so I ended up pushing his refusal to one of the later chapters.
Ralsei seems much more sad in this weird route concept, like he's losing hope the more that the heroes of light turn towards this path of extreme evil.
this is amazingly made including the abort points is a nice touch love the new sprites that are in this route and love that kris hair moves when he opens the window in his room in castle town i only seen the castle town segment but man the guality says it all if it wasnt for the text going a bit slower than usual i wouldnt blame someone if they thought it was official props to everyone who worked on this and double props if you did this on your own but regardless everyone who worked on this is really talented and this a personal preference but i love that ralsei has his chapter 1 costume i always felt that his chapter 2 sprite felt a bit off not because it was bad but there something about it that i cant put my finger on it i make another comment if i have more thought after i see the full vid
Thanks! the Castle Town is also probably my favourite section out of anything in this, I'm still trying to better text box speeds and sprite sizes so it should get better in the future and yeah I made this on my own, aside from the custom music that people made which I have linked in the description
Nice!, this is finally out!, I was pretty excited to see how the changes in chapter 2 would look like!, and also, thank you for showing us what would have happened if we tried aborting the route, it was pretty interesting!, keep up the good work!
I just had an idea for a hospital dark world weird route So, basically, hospitals are a place where sick people tend to be right? Ralsei likes healing, right? You manipulate Ralsei into "healing" these characters, by putting them out of their misery, pump it up and make it seem like they're gonna die a slow and painful death if Ralsei doesn't do anything Boom, there you have it, Hospital world weird route.
the "route abort" moment was honestly... one of the sweetest moments of such aborts all in all. just susie starting to sound sweet and nice and realising her mistakes, also feeling guilty for her actions...
1:13:07 Kris's attack and defense should have gone up after that comment, due to Kris being traumatized from both weird routes and Spamton making fun of it.
Including the complete Snowgrave NEO fight was maybe a bit unnecessary, but definitely worth it for what came afterward; wouldn't've hit as hard if it was a slam cut to it.
I feel as if Susie should have been given less of a spotlight in the chapter 2 section due to that chapter's weird route being mostly focused on Noelle. I thought perhaps the Snowgrave NEO ending should've been the same as vanilla, at the very least Noelle doing the final blow was better.
@@PhantomOfficial07but if susie wasnt focused on then we wouldnt get to see the consequences, you cant just throw the ch1 weird run's consequences away just because therell be consequences for the ch2 weird run
@@dylanzlol7293 We get to see the consequences anyway without susie being focused on in chapter 2. It's not good having to juggle having multiple "consequences" for when both characters are on screen at the same time I just think Susie shouldn't be there in the ending, that's all.
I love how, when MK is making fun of Susie in hometown post-CH 1, Kris gets pissed and does what Susie later does in chapter 2 at the bunker. It’s an interesting detail.
Yh out of everything in this video I probably put the most effort in the Snowgrave Route part, probably cause it had the most detail in the original concept, glad you enjoyed!
OH MY FUCKING GOODNESS THE PART IN THE HOSPITAL IS ACTUALLY TERRIFYING! I HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS SCARED, AND I WATCHED HORROR MOVIES THAT WERE ACTUALLY SCARY! Sorry for all caps, you did a really good job scaring the living shit out of me with that expression on Noelle when she realizes it wasn't a dream.
I really like how susie's attitude changes as she becomes more violent and bloodthirsty as it keeps going. It shows that not only that your actions affect things outside of gameplay and that susie was wrong about how your choices don't matter. Ond criticism that I have is that i wish we could've seen the conversation between susie and Noelle and saw why Noelle is so scared of her I also wish we could've seen what her reaction was if we pick any of the other options on the festival question. Although I find the ralsei answer interesting
I think that Ralsei purposely didn't even make Susie's room, and just put on a door. He doesn't want Susie to be able to stay in the castle town, as she might hurt people.
I completely loved all of the video, the aborted route parts were my favourite, in chapter one Susie tells you that she won't go that far to beat the king because she still doesn't feel the power and fun that she gets once you continue the route (the little dialogue of when you take off the Devilsknife it's a great touch) but once she feels all of that you can't go back and on chapter 2 (aside of how much I love the animation of Susie moving her hair fom her eyes) she feels happy to have spared the enemys and being a hero, praised and not feared, that shows that despite everything the Susie we know it's still there, another point that I enjoyed was Ralsei's behavior, he's clearly scared of what Susie is capable of and as much as he doesn't want the carnage to continue he is unable to do something against it, he doesn't even feel comfortable enough to take off his hat or heal Susie and he feels a little relief when you don't comeback with Susie. Somethings I really liked about Hometown is that in chapter 1 everyone notices Kris's weird mood and on chapter 2 the way Susie threats MK with the light world's Devilsknife was a little edgy but the detail of the Devilsknife, the new animations and Susie's violent behavior being justified made it more like a cool detail, now into the little details I liked I have to mention the new Spamton NEO scenes in the weirder route and the extra dialogue about the [Clown around town] that Susie carries (Sean mention of Jevil in his shop was nice too) another thing when Susie was standing awkwardly while everyone daced and how she punched Kris out of the screen by accident, more cool Susie details, she beats up the pipis on the pipis room, hits the cage non stop, breaks the arcade game and attacks Queen (the dialogue of Queen after was pretty fun and Queen accurate) now, let's appreciate how cool the Ultimate heal animation was and the custom Susie and Ralsei sprites when Susie was hurt, the little detail of the dojo only being open when Susie isn't around is just the tip of the iceberg of the cool new events and dialogues on Castle town, that with the new music makes the ambience of the place much more fitting for the route, the only thing I disliked is that you can't kill Sweet Cap'n Cakes, I just really hate them. In conlusion, the amount of effort in the sprites and every little detail was amazing, all thanks to Jummy's concept and JQR for making it a reality and this only makes me wish to know some coding and sprites to make a full fangame or someone else with experience will make it and also love to the effort that fans put into the projects, my heart goes to all of the people who worked on this and have worked in other fan projects. Also, thanks for reading this, i know it's kinda long :P
Completing each weird route might make Ralsei contemplate 0 HPing himself, on top of Susie replacing him as the healer should that happen. There are downright terrifying parts, and then the depressing parts. Our fluffy boy may not be with us for much longer if we keep doing this.
Hey, I know a little bit about coding, I might be able to start the chapter 1 weird route, if UndertaleModTool would just work for Deltarune. Until the mod tool is updated to properly support GameMaker 2.3 or above, there will be no chapter 1 weird route.
Wow, thanks for noticing even all the little details I put in this thing, kinda does feel rewarding for someone to come across all of them after making this video for so long! Also thought of killing off Sweet Cap'n Cakes but I wanted to stick to the fact that they still negate all damage cause of the *almond milk*
@@legendgames128 i heard a little about the tool and that it made modding less complicated and easy ruin, it makes sense that we would have to wait for the update, i'm glad to read that you have some determination to make it
I really love that Hometown Monster Kid interaction. I can't tell if it's implying more how bad of a mental state Kris is in that they can't control their emotions like in a non-weird route Chapter 1 or them feeling even MORE sympathy for her after what you turned her into or a mix of both but either way It's amazing
1:19:03, she ordered noelle to use snowgrave and is laughing about it, susie is messed up in this route. But how DID susie know about snowgrave? did noelle tell her about it in her room?
Ye, it's a bit of fanon, but I believe that Noelle DID tell Susie what happened in the weird route, Susie just never confronted Kris about it since she'll "tell you later." and wants to hear it from them. Even if that's not the case though, in this version she practically stays in the room with Noelle so I'm sure she got told more stuff.
Castle Town’s music is so somber and heartbreaking. Like it’s saying “you can still change your mind, player. Think about all the Darkners that have died.. please don’t do it again.”
11:27: wow, didn’t think Kris would turn into a possessive person in this variation (as opposed to the controlling person they are in the canon weird route.)
This is about Susie to be fair which Kris in cannon seems to have the most affection for, sheilds her from KING at their own accord, Susie tea heals a lot, ect.
Yo sorry for responding late, I meant to get around to answering this it ended up slipping from my mind! In any case this is what she would say for these options. Picking Susie: * Heheh. * You REALLY sure about about that? * You sounded kinda hesitant there. * What, You scared of me or something? * ... * Heh. * ... Almost thought I had a friend for a second. * ... * ... * ... Whatever, let's go back to watching TV. Picking Noelle: * Her, huh? * I mean she is nice and all but... * ... She is scared of like, EVERYTHING. * Even a loser like you could scare her, Kris! * I bet she'd be scared half to death if you shook one of those ferris wheel rides or something! * HAHAHA! * hahahaha! * heh. * ... * ... Whatever, let's go back to watching TV. Staying silent will result in her giving the same response she would have in a normal route.
* Would like to take a moment to appreciate how cute the cutscene in Kris' castle town room is! * Especially Ralsei, he looks so adorable sitting on the bed!!!
1:26:43 I get the feeling that this reaction is caused by the realisation of the Dark World not being a dream, meaning she had actually killed tens or even hundreds of Darkners and even Berdly, there is only one sentence that can be said to explain what Noelle might end up doing after this realisation Sayonara, Noelle…
1:18:55 most people may not know this but SUSIE was using noelle i wana see susie do this with more and more people to the point that shes controlling kris its like a chara thing but way worse becuase susie would enjoy doing this, like a player 2 in some sense (one of my fav hopeings for susie p2 and ralsei p3 and noelle p4) and i feel like kris is one of those kids who were like: "oh this is a dream! I want susie to be happy in my dream so even if it is hard i should let her do it" "w- it wasent.... i created a monster...." "n-now im the player 2...."
ok idk why i wrote it like this, but i would genuinly like to see susie controling you, controling kris, and or susie ganing control over kris while you cant anymore
Finally, I've been waiting for so long! I am very happy to see all this scenes! All these scenes were much more interesting than the snowgrave! It's a pity that Toby missed it to create a weird route for Chapter 1! That's just the only thing I didn't like about the Jimmy concept is that you can't kill robots that dance! Not only did I not like it, but I also did not like how the sad "My castle town" is played, I expected to hear a scary version! I liked everything else! Very cool!
I think the very sad and empty version of My Castle Town is super fitting; a scary version would just feel out of place. Especially considering there's still *people* there, they're just. Not very happy.
@@delt2601 The enemies will end up running away instead if disintegrating when hurt, then the next batch of enemies will replace them. The battle won't end though, after all 15 have been fought the enemies from the start of the fight will come back with full health, it will basically become an endless cycle until you use DevilsBuster!
Susie: Well you know what they say: Can’t have a devilsknife without killing a dozen bad guys, Ha ha ha ha ha. Ralsei: ah. . . AH! That was horrible! Ralsei: Your straight is horrible. Ralsei: YOU ARE HORRIBLE! You are irredeemable monster! Susie: Ah ah what took you so long? Idiot! *kills Ralsei*
These are sum relatively accurate and Creative descriptions to their responses, especially Kris' with Ralsei commenting on their 'mixed feelings' which I think best describes the relationship in this route!
1:30:01 H-how? That's such a Toby Fox thing to do, have the cafe die because it didn't have customers, it makes no sense but a ton of sense at the same time and squeezes a chuckle out of you.
(This main comment is very long, the first 2 replies are continuations) This… this is my favorite video you have made thus far. I want to leave a comment about the video itself, and not secrety Jevils. Seeing the length of this one made me say “oh lord” out loud, so great start already (2 hours! That is longer than a lot of movies!). Anyway, So here goes. I was super hyped for this one, I knew it was going to be a Deltarune anniversary special lol. Also, Congrats to Napoleon Complex, MattPixelSpriteMaster, funnyyeh12, and a few others who got their ideas into this video and got to the credits! That’s super cool, was very fun seeing which ideas were being used or shown while watching and knowing where they came from :) The chapter 1 extra stuff was cool and hardcore. You only have 2 chances to back out of the devil’s path. And getting back on a better path requires true pacifism in the Cyber World, I like that commitment required to “fix” our choices. Seeing how other attempts at later times fail is, to me, fitting for Susie’s characteristics(not being controlled by the game and player, stubborn). I loved the hometown Ch. 1 changes and the dialogue from Alphys asking if Kris’ home life was difficult was something I thought I wouldn’t see in… well anything (it hit hard). Asgore, Toriel, the hospital receptionist, Rudy, and even Noelle’s comments about how distraught Kris is really paint a picture of how the Weird Route affected Kris, very neat. Catti’s only real remark being an extra text box with Catti making a face with a question mark by her head is a subtle detail, but I like it, Kris and her are or were close so she would notice his anguish. Btw did you make that portrait? I’m not well versed in unused Deltarune stuff, but you sure did make a lot of material for this video… a lot. Despite showing her concern, Noelle is still simping for Susie and Kris ain’t having it with her lunchbox plans and knocks some sense into her Susie-rotted brain lol. Kris and Monster teen’s confrontation was a personal favorite, has all the dread that eats me up, also the scene came from Napoleon too (all of these differences for Ch. 1 hometown here came from Napoleon, the G.O.A.T). Kind of a weird juxtaposition on that interaction from the base game, one reaction is out of knowing Susie better and the other is a reaction of knowing what Susie can do when she let ’er rip (thanks Jevil). I liked how intense it was with Kris’ lowered gaze and how Monster teen tripped too, nice sprite. Also, Monster teen gets roughed up hard this video, tryna tell us something JQR? Lol. Should have shared some and gave Snowy a bit of a hard time too, that owl did nothing to help out in Monster teen’s time of need bruh. The soured atmosphere in the normally happy Hometown is something cool, hammers home that what was done is not going to be forgotten in the future. The first Castle town section is great and so somber. Even before anything changes, Susie is ready for more prey and that pose is cool and Ralsei is understandably unenthusiastic about seeing them two. When Kris jumps in with the ball, I thought the different sound effect (I think from a pirouette effect) was on purpose because after all there is barely anyone left. I will say that this and the other Castle town section are just too perfect to what Deltarune can be. Seeing such differences is like a dream come true. The dialogue from Mr. Elegance (neigh to that! Is what I say!), Mr. Society (thank you for the mediocre home!), and Roulxs (something art… lackingth, it Feeleth) all do a good job of describing how empty the new castle town is while also being in character for all of them, your ability to make such convincing dialogue is impressive and that’s for a lot of it in this video too. Although, Mr. Society is just the most rude one, begone with you >:(. The new Castle Town theme is so good and already does the best at describing how desolate the town is. When first hearing it, I thought it had the World Revolving as the main piece, but it is Don’t Forget (although, the World Revolving technically has every song in it so there’s that lol). Brief tangent, but Roulxs Kaard is one of my favorite characters to appear in these videos and his appearance at the beginning is so funny and strangely disconcerting too when Lancer mentions King, plus Kaard’s dialogue was from a comment, Mr Frog, too (tangent end). The Ralsei dummy and Great Door text are neat and came from funnyyeh12! The door one I like the most, you can’t run from what you’ve done, Jevil will still be with you even in the Dark. Seam, Seam, still so sneaky but glad he is getting a kick out of Jevil being a part of the team. The Castle Town changed from your power? I think you meant from OUR power, it’s a team effort, right Jevil? Ralsei’s speech to Kris, Susie… and me I guess, is so personal along with the cutscene itself in Kris’ room. Kris at the window with their hair flowing, Ralsei cutely sitting on the bed, and Susie always leaning on a wall, quite fitting (Kris’ storage thing is missing at a convenient time lol). A needed reassurance of their goals, despite the acts of the past still latching on… poor Ralsei. Also the new text at 28:42 is good detail, still a fantastical place. So Jevil, having Jevil flash and disappear and reappear in different forms around Castle Town is great and I am happy with his role in this video personally even though he is not blatantly “active” than from part 1, but I said enough about Jevil already. That, plus the music gave me the feeling of just how much Jevil has effected the world itself. Oh, I guess I should have known but no Starwalker :( The compilation of the other differences is cool, I especially like all the new Chapter 1 Ralsei moments in Chapter 2. Like: new squished Ralsei and new dancing Ralsei lol so cute (also, the unused Ralsei coaster!). Watching this made me recognize unique things about your style for animating, with characters being less rigid so they move more smoothly and connected, quite interesting. For dialogue, Queen is like the winner in this section she literally sounds like her dialogue was meant to be plus it’s hilarious too, saying we can’t pro game and saying we are not very poggers in the face of almost getting thrashed lol. Everyone else is fitting, Berdly using game mechanics for his reasoning is great and Noelle’s nostalgia talk and her parenthetical self-assurances work and connect to how she is in normal snowgrave too. Ok going back on track, Ralsei saying that we can get the Sweet Cap’n K_Ks to all dance without Susie’s cooperation is actually crazy and it’s like Ralsei read my mind, he is pretty clever even though he always so depressed (definitely sad that he even has to use some exploits to begin with). Berdly is pretty sturdy to the gang’s new power levels and the extra attacks are fun surprises, still proving he is an elite gamer. Ralsei carrying Susie when she’s injured is so sad yet the interaction before that happens is still so dreadful despite her injury, Susie is still so intimidating to Ralsei. Him not healing her was kinda a surprise but he is smart for doing so, keeps Susie in a rare state that might actually make her listen to him… and keeps Susie from killing people. Trashy gets to say his inventory thing and Ralsei is actually polite to him yay! Ralsei disregarding your “no” is quite funny in regards to that being what Susie does, but he is right in taking Susie in his care… hopefully they have a good time (his chapter 1 sweetness comes in when he says that we will do great on our own, i miss that in normal Chapter 2 lol). Susie’s BETTER ultimate heal being a real hadouken/kamehameha that heals max is crazy, also super cool looking. Looks like Jevil is helping Susie with her educational problems lol. It’s always curious and a bit immersive to me to see the player decide what option to choose, and for the “she is our enemy” option, Kris doesn’t join Susie by pulling out their sword like in the normal game… which was an option I chose onetime, worth though. Also Ralsei looks at, or focuses, on Susie when she is charging up the Devil’s buster attack on Noelle; this is a detail that is also in the previous video when Susie is about to kill King before Ralsei stops staring and sings, very neat (Ralsei also does this when Susie swings at Queen after the arcade blows up). Spamton Neo’s expected anti-clown reaction is cool and surprisingly fitting. Him ending off the intro by saying he will stop some [chaos, CHAOS!] solidifies that Jevil really is our fourth party member. Ending the paragraph with Queen and her calibrated cages, it’s simple with Susie kicking the cage and then getting flung away but shows that Susie is still attack first, everything else later. Queen taking up her whole monologue before she flings Susie away is some fine comedy. For the abort route section, I do have more to say but it’s going to be in another reply, so here is the short version. In summary, the motive for Susie to stop herself is good and blends in Jevil’s and Susie’s personalities nicely (still itching for a fight, but grateful for doing something good), Susie thanking Kris for pulling her out connects to her genuine character in base game, but I find how Susie talks about what she’s done a disservice to a point that would be interesting to see if the aborted DevilsRoute was shown off more.
The Snowgrave and Devils Route combination… the climax/finale is excellent. This part made every interaction between Susie and Ralsei have unreal amount of dread when watching the first time, oh I was actually shaking at times. Since this part is the first time that the fun gang + Jevil fight enemies, the amount of health each person has and the amount of damage Devil’s Buster does is actually overpowered, they are gonna need a lot of healing to fill those health bars lol. Their power level is rising, it’s overflowing! Ralsei’s post fight animation was actually updated from the previous video, still so sad for Ralsei, I hope he is praying for mercy and forgiveness on their souls. Susie destroying all of that pipis is funny, Jevil probably told Susie that would be fun. Susie going into Noelle’s room this time has a totally different motive lol, Susie is scary in this route man. And Ralsei falls asleep again but he has his hat now. Susie not coming out at all and Kris just walks off, I thought that Susie would be stuck in there throwing around a crazy Noelle around the room (hehe). Going over to Queen with only Kris and Ralsei, Queen still is funny, I like the “Just help me blanket the world in darkness trust me it will be great”. Seeing hat Ralsei talk about why Queen shouldn’t make another fountain is surreal, Ralsei at this point always seems so somber (this portrait is a nice surprise 1:07:01). Then after that… the finale and the man of the hour: Spamton Neo. By the way, Kris bought some CD bagels but didn’t use them lol, homie wanted to fill in the inventory. Playing through the whole Neo fight was worth it for the payoff, I myself was paying attention to the fight for any different things to pop up but alas, only get to watch how the player fights Spamton Neo lol. Having the act part not end at Noelle surprised me, and the pipis attacks having more pipis appear is cool. Progressively more difficult attacks like that would be like an endless mode too for Snowgrave Spamton Neo. “You” calling for Noelle in a normal voice and then Kris screaming for Noelle, very good, and the music slowing down after each act is… it would make the Salt Route video proud. “Try Someone Else” Cmon Kris Susie will get the job done, she is one of our [[Old favorites?]]. When Susie arrives, her saying how she doesn’t know how “Kris’s” voice can reach out so far is some neat detail, but more importantly she says the line!!! “If you have a job to be done just call me, GOT IT?!” WOOOOO. Everything after Susie busters up Spamton is… insane, especially for Deltarune. Seeing Spamton’s silhouette hanging… I couldn’t believe it (to me, his main face always looks like he’s drooling). Then he shoots the soul when it is on the fountain, that’s our favorite BIG SHOT. I thought his dialogue during his last stand is quite good and sounds like he’s hysterical. He’s so broken but says he has been made stronger, the [Help! It Hurts!] part is spooky. That is indeed the [Big Shot] guy. But dang, Susie… getting Noelle to use Snowgrave and laughing when the attack happens… that is sinister. Those damage numbers tho, they were so overkill that I was feelin the chill darn. Awesome The post-Snowgrave-DevilsRoute-hometown section, that’s a big title lol. After the crazy ending in the Cyber World, we don’t even get a little break with Noelle still having white eyes until she faceplants the desk, now that is creepy. Susie not really caring about Noelle’s opinions about her is a certified Chapter 1 moment. Seeing Susie being disappointed by not having fun crushing dudes this time around is a bit ironic, then she blames ralsei for that feeling even tho he still taught her(with some Jevil help) to shoot healing hadoukens smh. That new computer screensaver is… strange. Ok, the real hometown part has a lot of things, super cool. I like how Susie initiates joining Kris by being like “Ya need me to lead you home? Yeah you do let’s go” like she actually thinks Kris needs her to get home lol. First stop at the hospital… ya know, I didn’t think a RUclips video would ever grace me with actually showing Noelle realize that everything that happened in the dark world is real and that face and that noise is the icing on the cake. My mind was blown, Noelle’s… might’ve also been and then some. Noelle slowly walks away and Susie comes out and seeing what she says is freaking hilarious, Susie being like “aLl HeR faVorite tHiNgs, her FavOrite plAces.” For being at her rudest she and Rudy seem to be better friends already this time, Mr. Holiday knows how to roll with the punches. Also, Susie saying she would beat his butt first and staying on that one text box for a long time is a bit genius, making us think awhile on how is the other character going to react (that tech is used a lot in this one section, all pretty good). Susie not going into the Dark World because she’s starting to hate Ralsei’s guts? Oh no… this is bad. Castle town this time (with more visible Jevils) is still somber but also just shows how depressed Ralsei is, poor fluffy boy. Well first Queen gets sent to her room (in the words of Palpatine: ironic…) and trashy says he’s the only one there, plus Swatch, blue Addison, and Sweet Cap’n K_Ks. After Ralsei greets Kris, the darn cafe is broken due to a lack of customers… how do you do this JQR, literally the real Deltarune right here. At least the chef can give us free spin cakes now, a small price to pay to have both a top cake and spin cake. The dojo is open and Clover is awake, btw ya didn’t check and equip the puppet scarf for Ralsei for the best damage(although he should probably refuse to equip, or just let him use an attack scarf, so unoptimal this player is lol). Seam does not say anything special this time, I am now sad :(. Swatch… pour one out for the boi (his new look and pose is cool to see). Oh and Lancer, he was looking forward to seeing Susie, although they probably will still be best pals, Lancer still is very Lancer-like. Back to hometown now. Kris and Susie go to the bunker where Monster teen and Snowy are and… at this point something different must happen. And dang, was that something shocking. I was expecting Susie to like hit one of them for real but her grabbing and lifting poor Monster teen and flashing the smile and knife literally made me gape in surprise and dread. And Susie even readies the knife like she is about to stab, but only drops the armless whelp who closed his eyes by then. I did like this scene and thought it to be innovative and felt like a cool addition, plus I like seeing new poses and sprites. Monster teen must’ve got his soul shooked right out of his very being, he even walked away slowly after being let go. I mean, JQR what do you have against this guy to make two scenes where he falls flat on his butt and one has his life put into Susie’s hands lol. Susie’s light world Devil’s knife is pretty neat, Jevil gets to still be with Susie in this form. Even though the concept of a family having personal knives(even if it’s just for pie, those Dreemurrs) is wack to me, Kris being excited by Susie being a new knife friend kinda works and is also just darkly funny considering what just almost happened right there. Next to the diner, where Susie doesn’t even care about angering Catti lol, looks like Susie decided to use her “I’m not going into that area” card on castle town and Ralsei. Also a bit surprising seeing Catti actually walk around. Jockington ain’t impressed with all the strength that Susie and I have, even sending us to the no-friend zone lol. Going over to ‘Sans, Susie slamming the counter and both Sans and the diamond guy jumping is simple but nice nonetheless. Oh Sans, him calling Susie “lady” is a bit comical, but dude, Susie has already ended up in a lot of fights yo. Susie being savage to the Sans “bone man” Undertale is quite a sight. After that, Kris and player go straight home but Susie wants to hang out more this time. I… never felt so much worry hit me until Susie just grabbed Kris’ arm and started leading the way. I will say more a bit later but that moment, despite being so small, crossed a personal line. Now at the end inside Kris’ house. Susie being more chill instead of freaking out being inside Toriel’s home is very different yet almost the same, Chapter 1 Susie makes this work. A lot of the differences are actually very subtle since it’s Susie not, like, self-censoring herself for Toriel yet she still shows admiration for Toriel, just not as much as in normal Chapter 2. An example is Susie says “hell” in front of Toriel normally and also does not react when Toriel says “hell” later. Also, Susie punches Kris across the room lol (the new punching animation is neat too). Yo Kris, don’t make Susie do all the work like ever again, she might do something to you next time. Susie and Kris sit on the sofa and that line about Kris needing to be told to sit down from Susie is coincidentally kinda right at this point. Susie asks Kris if they would take Noelle… or her to the (stupid) carnival and we say Ralsei. Fine choice… but Susie doesn’t like it at all. That super long pause on Susie’s face when Ralsei is chosen is great and the music cuts off too; I was scared to see how much Susie would rip into Kris for that, she has gotten to her scariest. Susie being disgusted by Ralsei’s weakness just hurts, he’s already been through so much. The conversation being about Susie wanting more interesting Dark Worlds to continue crushing enemies and enjoy her trip of literal power is dark and cruel, Jevil and Susie have bonded very well. And we finally arrive at the credits of this 2 hour journey and for that length only 4 songs total (2 new) were used, impressive.
(Here to the break was meant to be with the ending paragraph from last reply) I always like the credit sequences of these videos, also like how the “YOU” at the very end is always differentiated in these video, although this video does not do the thing the Salt Route and Ch. 1 Weird Route do where the rest of the words fade out leaving only the YOU. In this one, it’s white text and in all caps, but I liked the other two videos’ stingers because it feels like the video itself is judging me lol. Love the meta detail. And we finally finish the video… but not the comment. So Susie, here’s a little section about her. From when I played Deltarune, I like her a lot, especially when she is scary. An impression I got from Susie was, as I have realized, a bit or way different from how everyone else sees Susie. The main idea I got was that she is naturally cruel, too cruel. This video in particular makes her truly cruel and really scary. This Susie and Jevil mix allows Susie to answer her true calling of a feared warrior and at her most worst… or best, a blood-drunk hunter (straight from Bloodborne). Seeing Susie using her murder face and have it almost certainly mean that she’s going to hit hard does wonders for whenever she talks. I like how like all of her new dialogue in Chapter 2 is focused on destroying enemies and everything else is just lower on her priority list, stuff like her wanting to clobber Queen, looking forward to fighting Spamton Neo, and her not really caring about what others think or will do around her (Noelle, Catti, Ralsei, Toriel) really shows that. Susie’s Chapter 1 portraits in Chapter 2 are cool to see, some seem to be newish like her smirk at 1:53:47 or her laughing at 1:53:31. I think her speech patterns are accurate, my favorite thing Susie has said was that “y’didja” lol. At the very end, Susie’s genuine person under the scary brute pops up as if Susie wants a better friendship with Kris by bonding over knives or by wanting to know who would Kris take to the carnival, stuff other than just crushing enemies together. With the only other person that opposes Susie being Ralsei, a lot of their interactions are full of conflict and become a wrong sentence away from a bad time in the Snowgrave section in Chapter 2. Heck she is so scary in Chapter 2 that even when she’s injured Ralsei is still intimidated of Susie enough to not heal her. Oh, and Ralsei… I don’t think I ever worried and was saddened so much for a guy like watching Ralsei’s scenes made me feel. His MANY new portraits (some used in the last video too) have such a wide spectrum, from the more cautious side way glances and nervously cute faces to the desperate and soul-crushing looks of a prince knowing his world is dying. Ralsei also has extra new sprites too, most being related to what Susie does although those 2 sprites 1:28:56 when Ralsei greets Kris by himself in Castle Town are nice and sweet. Seeing hat Ralsei in Chapter 2 is, of course, epic but it costs Ralsei’s mental well-being for such dream, as Gherman would say: So Sad. In the first Castle Town section, you do an excellent job on portraying how Weird Route Ch. 1 effects Ralsei, he is not excited to show the team his castle and there rooms, is now pleading to Kris (and player) to spare darkners, and he sees fit that he needs to re-state how important our actions our in this world and to darkners. If Susie’s room being unfinished is on purpose from Ralsei… he better make sure that she doesn’t find out. Susie and Jevil’s effect on Castle town and Chapter 2 just make Ralsei work double time, always trying to placate the beast and trying to convince the rest of the party (Kris, Susie, Jevil, me) to spare and be real heroes. So much work, so it really must hurt him that all of those efforts fail and multiply during the Snowgrave section. Interlude: Ralsei teaches Susie/Jevil better Ultimaheal in both routes but doesn’t get to tell Susie the secret thing in Snowgrave even though they walk all the way to Queen’s mansion… I do get the Snowgrave reasoning (reason being Snowgrave makes Susie and Ralsei travel faster and may interrupt their travels) but it kinda makes a logic problem lol, end interlude. The return to Castle Town after Snowgrave really seals that Ralsei is now majorly depressed and maybe losing his purpose. When Ralsei is talking to Lancer about seeing Susie again, him slowly saying that she will come by at their next adventure really highlights that sadness and despair eating at him. Even with him at his most desperate, he is still doing what he does best, being sweet, when he poses a “goodbye” when Kris leaves is super cute. He is probably the most detailed character in this video, so many details, all of them make him feel real… poor prince. Nearing the real end. I just want to say how watching this for the first time was one of the best things ever. I never had a video give me as much visible and surprising reactions and feelings like what this one did to me. Like I said earlier, Ralsei and Susie’s conversations were so dreadful that it got to a point that my chest gave me a feeling I haven’t had since trying to watch FNaF 2 specifically without using any… I guess coping mechanisms (lowering volume, putting my device far way, things like that) and that was when I already saw the whole game before. This feeling is what I describe as pure dread, wow. And all that dread from dialogue and mood. Everything from the Snowgrave Devils Route made me feel that and the finale to the Spamton Neo fight was beautiful, I genuinely paused before the light world appeared to give myself a bit of a break. And then I get hit by Noelle still being in… whatever her white eyes mean in the light world AND that she is not interrupted in reacting to her dream not being just a dream, quite shocked and impressed that you would do such bold things. After the first hometown section and seeing all those surprises (Courtesy of Napoleon Complex), I kinda started a game with myself by drawing up an invisible line to see how bold this video would get… many of Ralsei and Susie’s conversations and the depressing comments from darkners (and Ralsei) got close. There were 3 moments that did cross the line but 2 of them did in a way that I liked, those being Spamton Neo’s final stand and Susie poiseing the knife to Monster teen. The Spamton Neo Snowgrave stuff is just amazing and the second Monster teen scene was just so cruel of you, making Susie lift the knife a little higher and the teen closing his eyes actually made me think that you would make Susie go for it but she let him go; I still like it cuz it exemplifies Susie’s embraced joy for overpowering others that Jevil has brought out of her. But having Susie grab Kris’ hand and walk them away totally destroyed the line I was putting down, I couldn’t believe you would do such a thing JQR. Seeing that happen, I felt my heart beat faster and I truly thought “don’t you dare, don’t you dare” to myself, I was scared that Susie would reach the other screen. I did feel relief when Toriel opened the door, oh what she would have done if her child didn’t come home. Susie’s face after that seemed to show worry too about what Toriel might say, but of course Toriel did not notice and Susie is easily persuaded by pie. All of this is to say, if my memory ever failed me in life, I would gladly take the chance to rewatch this again and experience it freshly another time. These videos are what RUclips and the internet were meant for. I… still can’t believe you, JQR, would make Susie almost commit a Krisnap. You made so much custom material for this video, with the 2 new songs being the only other things brought by that Deltarune OST “Archive” and of course the lovely ideas from all the gang… and Toby and Temmie for base game lol. Like, Catti doesn’t walk what cursed sight my eyes have seen sdhekdjh. Ralsei’s overworld fidgeting, Swatch, Monster teen, Roulx’s falling (and his smile wavering), Jevil’s shadowy face on many things, and many shenanigans with Ral and Susie, so much stuff that it’s no wonder this took so long after the first part. The two new songs used were great when they were played, very effective plus cool songs! This video made me notice that that like background light blue flashing effect (the lighting effect at when Susie is charging her prank attack on Noelle and in the extended ending of Spamton Neo fight) is on purpose and is kind of your signature, like it happens a lot in the Salt Route video but I kinda thought that was like somehow accidental. Pretty cool. It must be coincidence but the phrase “Try something/someone else” has gotten consistent use throughout these videos and it is always used to say that things are going to escalate, so it has gotten hype status to me when it shows up now lol. To finally end, absolutely amazing video and art you have made. I guess I will put it here, but I never found any of the “edgy” parts that others have said to be, well, bad to me(I hardly thought about edginess when first watching). I mean, what I said earlier shows I liked those sections a lot already lol. You have real talent JQR, and your (frankly) frankensteins’s monster method of animating and modding Deltarune to get a video has worked well enough for the concepts you have brought to a new form. You have a great skill of turning dreams into reality, text/words into visual form, and I say that the additions you make always find a way to enrich those initial concepts. You are also just creative and have a good eye for details. Great seeing comment reception and ideas being used too, that’s so sweet. I have said that this is my favorite video you have made, but this is also one of my most favorite videos of all time. From my heart (which these videos have stolen), thank you for creating such experiences
Okay this is the full version of my thoughts on the abort Route section, here goes. The Route abort is… conflicting for me so let’s see why! Before the real stuff, the replacement motion for Wide Susie (trademark) does a good job, and is more threatening too. I especially like Susie’s gangster pose when she goes up to Noelle lol. Now for real, the first half of the abort is very good and I was even having a bit of doubt that Susie would understand (So… what gives? Ya tell me to “Try Something New” but stop midway?), but the tone and reasoning used is quite a good way to blend in Jevil’s bloodlust and Susie’s genuine person. Even though the section is still labeled “abort”, the pause before she lifts her hair has so much anticipation still. Susie saying how she is glad we/Kris stopped and saying how seeing the Cyber World treat her as a hero made her realize that she should no longer continue is something that I like a lot. I find it fitting for Susie’s character (a want to be praised for her own merits, people seeing good in her) and, while a bit tough to put in words, is personally the only reason I can find to pull her away from her true calling of a hunter. (Because of impressions of when I played Deltarune, I really enjoy a murderous, scary Susie that these videos have portrayed). After she says she has “no reason to keep doing this”, comes the part that makes me conflicted, how Susie handles the weight of her actions. First off, the dialogue from “that doesn’t excuse the messed up stuff that happened” to “we can still try to move on” does work to give Susie guilt but still want to fix and redeem herself, so I am fine with that… for the most part. Now to the real deal, When I first watched, something didn’t feel right when Susie quite skittishly says to pretend that everything else was a bad dream, it did bother me so much. I later realized that it was a Deltatraveler reference! (Specifically, from the end of the “obliteration” Route in chapter 2). First off, I will say that, while it works for the game, I do find things I take issue with on Deltatraveler’s Obliteration routes and how they handle the endings (chapter 2 specifically) which may be seen in my critique, I guess. I also did say in my Salt Route main comment that Deltatraveler will appear again, and here it is. So, my criticism is that one comment about pretending it is a bad dream cannot work at all with this route because, unlike the world-hopping shenanigans of Deltatraveler where Susie doesn’t understand where she is, Susie already knows that the Dark Worlds are as real as Kris’ apple-scented hair and she should know that she has killed real beings, an entire kingdom of them. Using that excuse takes away the issue that Susie should really have with herself, that she murdered darkners and enjoyed it. So, to me it feels you sacrificed a complex character facet of guilt and lost purpose for a reference. I can see how doing such a thing is hard to do in just a concept and a one-off segment of a large video… and it may be too much, but I do have some ideas that may get this point across in the context of only being in post Chapter 2 hometown. (This was where the short summary was at, moved to main comment lol). Ok, here is the idea I have for a difference in aborted Route hometown and it starts with the dialogue in the computer lab. I would start with by keeping the conversation between Kris and Susie the same, until when Susie lifts her eyes and “aborts” the route. Susie starts off the same, but when she tries to bring up what she has done, Susie cannot get herself to say what she wants in words. Demo: *it, uh, kinda made me realize that there is no reason to keep doing this *… but… th-that is no rea-ssonn… *… (portrait has Susie closing her eyes) *… (portrait has Susie’s hair cover her eyes) *… thank you Kris so much. Susie’s dialogue would then be her emphasizing her gratefulness by thanking and appreciating Kris for helping her repeatedly, ending by saying she is glad to have Kris as her friend. She says goodbye to him and leaves the computer lab, but a bit quickly. I have two ideas for when Kris leaves the library and Susie joins him. One is a cutscene, while the other is a variation of her joining Kris dialogue that has a greater effect when walking around town. The cutscene is like a one-and-done thing that majorly shows Susie’s turmoil with her actions and that she no longer believes she deserves anything good, but walks with Kris to distract herself from such thoughts (I do have a plan for how this cutscene plays out, but I won’t put it here). The variation is that Susie waits by the library like usual but the dialogue she uses to get herself to join Kris is noticeably strained and more rough. When she does join Kris, while walking around Susie would sometimes stop and not move while Kris can move freely. Kris can wait for Susie to get back to them or walk away into another screen where Susie will run in from the previous screen. The variation will also have differences with other interactions, some I would like to mention would be that Susie would stop and be uncomfortable in the graveyard, and that Susie would be less verbally threatening to Monster teen and Snowy but would dent the bunker door with a hard punch. I think still having an aftermath even after “aborting” the Weird Route would be an interesting idea because what was done is… way more extreme than what normal Deltarune has done, and it can lead to a concept for a later chapter that has a character make Susie face her past sins head on, like a unique boss or a character has a new event just for Susie herself. I think having something like this Weird Route in Chapter 1 would make sense if it did change the story or game in someway no matter if you try to fix it, it happens too early and twists the bonding between Susie, Kris, and Ralsei (and of course Jevil is too heavy of a influence to just fade away). But that idea needs like the rest of the game to come out though, so I will wait for a while. I feel this passion for such an idea says… something… or a lot about me. That is my idea.
@@OmegaCrutch Hey, finally got around to answering this, sorry it took so long I've been offline for while! It's kool that you've enjoyed the video to such an extent that you'd even call it one of your favourite videos of all time (wow... I don't know what to say! It means a whole lot), when going into this I wanted to still stick true to Jummy's idea for the route (say for one exception, Noelle finishing off Spamton at the end.) since that is why these videos were made in the first place but also wanted to imbue it with some of my own and other's ideas which is why there are changes in places like hometown (...courtesy of Napoleon Complex as you've said, the G.O.A.T, haha) with NPCs like Alphys, Rudy, or Catti noticing somethings off (Also I did make her eyebrow raise sprite thanks for askin'), though I will say that when it came for the monster kid sections I feel like I could of dialed it back a notch since I kinda just ran with the ideas at face value, not only cause now I look like I have it out for Mk!!! But also because they felt not so much edgy but more, uncharacteristic (at least to me), Kris would never really do anything out of their own volition this early on in the story, it would lessen the impact of the ch 1 ending in that regard if this route was played first and although I wouldn't change the second encounter much, I would probably get rid of the knife in Susie's pocket since she isn't really aware of how darkners transform into items during ch 2, in fact she is even confused about Lancer not being with her in the light world when leaving Castle Town to the 'group project' (a mistake on my part!) so she wouldn't be aware of the knife/object in her pocket either Moving onto dark world bits, I wanted Rouxls to serve as comic relief, along with Lancer and Queen, to juxtapose the seriousness of it all, using Mr Frog's comment as a base (Also thx for mentioning him, I could never find his original comment to give proper credit so I'll be adding him to the description immediately after this!) though recently I feel like I could've taken the fact that you basically never meet him in ch 1 and do something with that aspect. I'm also glad that I was able to make Ralsei sympathetic in all of this, it was something I thought that I focused too much on but by the looks of it, seems you liked it! Susie too, succeeded in the regard she was meant to be an intimidating force throughout the video also I guess and Jevil took more of a backseat here like you mentioned since I mostly made him a lurking presence in the background who would appear randomly (and whom you've found all of his appearances!) I couldn't really see him taking as big as an active role after ch 1 so I left him at that To respond to your point about the abort at the end of ch 2, I'll admit it WAS heavily based off of deltatraveler (in fact I made it hot off the heels after finishing the obliteration route which is why there was an influence) maybe if I gave it a week or two I would've come up with more fitting dialogue since as you've said, her just acknowledging everything as a dream does a disservice to the route, however to argue against this I would like to point out that her skittish behaviour would not go unearned here since although never shown in video due to time constraints (I wanted to get this out for the anniversary!) I planned that Susie would start to mellow out during the later half of a pacifist run making quotes like "* Seeing everyone treat us like heroes, not even running from ME." "* It, uh, made me realize that there's no reason to keep doing this" Feel more justified, her reasoning for this being a dream isn't really a literal belief here either and would be moreso her echoing Noelle's sentiments from their ferris wheel scene so to assure herself a bit, but again these never really made it in to justify the disservice so I understand why you may not like this part as much, overall though there'd most likely be a few things that I would change if I were to do this again! Here are just some other bits and bobs that I wanted to answer: - The portrait at 1:07:01 was from the hat Ralsei mod which I used to quickly change his ch 1 sprites into ch 2 (but maybe you already knew that) I was respriting the custom sprites with my own since I wanted to try my hand at creating the rest, but it looks like I missed one! - Yeah my style kinda fits into the smoother style, I'm flattered you like it! But I'm also working on making it more rigid to fit into Deltarune's own! - The new computer Screen saver is meant to make reference to the DevilsBuster attack, the 'screensaver with red particles' make reference to how enemies disintegrate into red particles once hit, it's similar to the other computer where it displays a blue crashed screen which is supposed to make reference to Noelle's ice magic!
@@JQR. don’t worry about taking too long, it’s all cool. As Ralsei says “you don’t have to do everything at once”. Btw Mr Frogs channel thingy is @mrfrog0913 so there’s that. I’m on mobile so I can’t like idk copy paste a link since I don’t have access to an internet bar lol, hope that helps. Yeah I saw people and even Napoleon himself say how the monster kid/teen scenes were too “edgy”, far out, and whatnot. Of course, good on you for always seeing ways to improve, but I just wanted to really let you know that I enjoyed those a lot, and some others did too! Uncharacteristic for Kris? Sure… but I personally like seeing Kris be, well, affected by what can happen, it’s why I loved your rendition of Salt Route so much. Well, Susie with Jevil’s presence following her (and helping her learning capabilities lol, I think that’s important and funny too) is a good reason for why Susie would be more attentive and know that Jevil might be the brand new knife she has, but that second MK scene will work without the knife, it’s a bonus. Ah! Debates about the abort! Lol. Not really that serious hehe. Ok, Susie becoming less violent during pacifist chapter 2 would make the abort work better, I see that. Time constraints really do number on ya. Although… I think using that dream sentiment by itself still wouldn’t work well as Susie (to me) is too blunt for such phrase to work, but to go along with Susie just echoing that phrase bcuz of Noelle, I think Susie saying something like “She’s lucky” to herself after saying that dream assurance would show that Susie really is just echoing a blissful solution that she made for Noelle. Oh yeah, I saw that the one Ralsei face was from the hat Ralsei mod, still cute. The screen savor meaning is cool, being the red particles of devils buster and of the disintegrated enemies. I think someone else said that too, but still so strange and, to me, always brings up mentions of Spamton Neo. Also, the original blue screen crash being a reference to Noelle’s ice magic? Huh, the blue screen to me was more like a nod to its real counterpart and to how the cyber world is broken from freezing people and Spamton taking over, makes sense, computer crashing from spam overload lol. Thanks again, keep being a kool dude
I just realized that Alphys was nervous when she said she’s “the cool teacher” here, as opposed to the actual game where iirc she has a more jokingly laid back expression
Yo, seeing Noelle’s reaction to what you said about her “dream” without Susie interrupting… that scene sent chills…! AND RALSEI! I mean I get Ralsei is a cute, nervous, wholesome, goat boi, but seeing the genuine fear and sadness he was feeling! Even though you already know what’s going on, that fear ,uneasiness, and sadness coming from Ralsei gets sent right to you! Also, the fact that Ralsei’s not even sure what to do with Susie’s room anymore genuinely hurts.
@@legendgames128 They've been making improvements to it, I haven't had much problems with modding Chapter 2 of Deltarune for a while. The latest version on GitHub is the "Bleeding Edge" one.
In all honesty, I think I would’ve preferred having Ralsei stay in his shadowy appearance until later chapters. I would’ve loved to see the fandom stick a corkscrew in their brains coming up with wacky theories and AUs.
1:16:09 "QUIT IT, [Rude buster]" "SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU [[In the cold oh cold days]] ANYMORE!" 1:16:24 "YOU THINK SHE WILL [[Build a rescue helicopter]] FOR [[You, my dear friend.]]?" "GET LOST, YOUR [[FATALLITY]] HAS COME TO AN END WITH [Betrayal ending] 1:16:39 "YOUR VOICE IS [[Shrinking]] AND [[Shrinking]] IT'S NO USE" "NO USE" "MY [[Defense]] IS [[two towers]] HIGHER THAN [The entire dark world residence]" "WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE WILL DO?" "MAKE A [[Popsicle]] AND SLICE ME IN HALF?" and that plot twist at 1:17:59 THAT RIGHT THERE IS PERFECTION, THE FACT THAT HE SURVIVED SUSIE'S DEVIL BUSTER AND YEETED THE SOUL MAN.
![Frozen Heart [a Deltarune AU animation]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Co5usuj_UFQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Haven’t seen other comments do this, or only talk about two secrets, so here’s a list of secret Jevil appearances… mostly the castle town sections. But they’re really clever and very hidden so here goes:
2:17 … Jevil sad but not hidden lol
21:06 ok, real secrets start here; Jevil is at the end of the path to the right. He quickly vanishes when we enter.
21:27 this one is the longest Jevil is visible… it’s only his feet and green shoes where a Hathy would be normally. Goofy Jevil.
22:30 Jevil’s face appears in the cave in the cliff face when Kris & co. leave after talking to Society. (This is the only Jevil appearance I missed the first time, very hidden)
24:05 Jevil’s face is on the FREAKING DISCO BALL (when leaving the dojo). My favorite one.
26:37 Jevil’s face is on the wall next to the stairs. Kris moves quickly so Jevil is only visible for like half a second.
These next two don’t really count but Jevil may be easily missed if your not looking too hard
32:10 Susie’s new “pose”. She swings her ax and Shadow Jevil appears from the ax swing and laughs. Clearer version on the JQR community posts!
46:51 When “she is our enemy” is chosen, Jevil’s ghostly eyes and mouth appear to give Susie her “ax” (its the Jevilsknife lol). Scary implication also, Jevil wants some deer for dinner lol.
Back to HIDDEN Jevil appearances, although the rest are easier to find than the first crazy batch during the return to Castle Town.
1:32:38 Jevil (normal this time) appears when exiting the dojo. Just standing to the left of the building before disappearing
1:33:18 When entering the room, Jevil is basically standing at the end of the hall and in the main room. Stays a bit before leaving.
1:38:14 Jevil is standing next to the door. Easiest one to spot.
Bonus one at 1:40:02 (Jevil is the pocket knife, so it kinda counts)
These are all the Secret Jevils I could find(and some bonuses for y’all). I found all except the one mentioned earlier when I watched the video when it first released. Crazy secrets yo. I looked very hard in case there was some super secret Jevil face like… on the castle or sumthin and I haven’t found anything else so I think these are all of them (do I get a prize Mr. JQR?). If someone does find another one, feel free to reply here.
Wow damn, ok, you get my seal of approval and my applause! I did not think ANYONE would be able to find many would be able to find that many secret Jevils, but you did the impossible, like some of these are on screen for 0.0001 seconds, how long did you spend on this?? Cause it looks like it would've taken a lot of time! Anyways you've earned.... uh..... getting pinned on this video?! (Best thing I can think of!)
If I may add one to that counter as well, Jevil appears on the bottom left of the screen at like 20:19 when leaving the cafe, it's extremely hard to see since he's only semi visible as the screen turns dark, anyways I think you're the first (and only?) person to find these many Jevils so congrats!
@@JQR. dang, that cafe Jevil is like the most transparent one and I missed it, that one really is like 0.02 seconds. For how long I’ve spent searching, as I said I did find most of these first time watching except for cave face(found it later) and this new one but I used to not comment ever and didn’t want to. So this was technically 2 months in the making, but really like 2 hours plus some time revisiting the Castle Town sections for Jevils. Oh, thank you for the [[W1LD PRIZE]]
@@OmegaCrutch oh jeez, well I respect your dedication and thanks!
@@JQR. heya, heres a fun idea: instead of ralseis current after battles over animation, he takes the hat off to respect the dead, like seen in cowboys movies
@@pyroonbusinesschannel118 I had an idea like that originally but then I realised that Ralsei's real face would be revealed if he took it off which wouldn't bode well with the way this route is going, so I decided to make him look down instead
1:18:56 I love how Susie ACTS to command Noelle to use snowgrave. Then laughs as snowgrave is being used.
Oh god i didnt even realize thats horrifying
The SOUL got yeeted by Spamton, so Kris maybe couldn't ACT on Noelle. pretty cool detail!
Wait, I don't Think Susie did not aimed to Noelle, But Kris.
I have been re-watching the scene sometimes when SnowGrave casted...
The Color palette of the damege numbers SHOULD be NOELLE's.
However, In this Route, The Color is KRIS's Which Occured in early ver of deltarune..
Therefore, I belive that Suise had used ACTS to command to Kris for takes them
Hands to Give at spamton(?) Much powerful snowgrave to finish him off.
Eventually, Kris Follows it. And that is why the color was Kris, Not Noelle...🫨
@@dafhdpcidh2569 Ok so, Kris doesn't move during this entire scene (they don't move an inch). When Susie commands Noelle, Before Noelle starts floating she glows Light blue (Probably to represent Ice) the same light blue the numbers are when damaging Spamton and during Noelle preparing to snowgrave Kris still doesn't move at all, Therefore having NOTHING to do with Noelle's Snowgrave attack against Spamton. The numbers were most likely that color to represent Ice.
@@ultranathan992 Oh then if your thought was right, then I'd just misunderstood due to my selfish vision... So, I had to deceided to researching for aimed Which I didn't knew, Perhaps What were those I didn't concerned and more those causing to created incorrects. Anyway I appriciate to you for points out what i was wrong. ultranathan992. ✍😃👍
i love how even susie seems to be apprehensive of the whole killing thing, but only admits it when you abort the route. this is very well done
Ye, the idea is in ch 2 if you do pacifist she'll slowly be less... violent-ish
Imagine if saying "She is our enemy" actually got Noelle killed due to Jevil possessing Susie for too long... *shudders*
@@JQR. hey if its okay to ask where did you get that rude buster remix from? it's actually good!
@@alexanderthemidI description
So snowgrave was already enough, you tourted / traumatized a child and killed a child, now you traumatize / change another child to be evil, weird route + snowgrave = kris is the villain
1:44:21 I just love that part. Sans knows we're expecting his famous catchphrase, and he trolls us with it. It's perfectly in character for him.
Susie: Kris why the hell did you just crap yourself then
What catchphrase...? There's quite a few iconic lines from him so idk what you mean
@@PhantomOfficial07 That one part in Snowdin during Undertale's Genocide Run before the Papyrus fight, where Sans tells you "if you keep going the way you are now... You're gonna have a bad time.".
@@PhantomOfficial07
Yeah, sans is just a janitor and befriend Kris' mom, he seems pretty chill lol
The fact that Kris actually gets to tell Noelle it wasn't a dream in this route fucking excites and terrifies me at the same time.
That happens in the usual Weird Route too
@@lasagna3289 Actually, Susie exits the room and interrupts Kris before they can speak.
@@lasagna3289nah the closest you get to it is if you take her watch in the darkworld and put it on kris, but you dont actually get to say anything to her
@@CatzRuleGaming Kris isnt the one speaking. Its us. it doesnt matter if Kris is interupted. If we pick the option to say "In your dream." Noelle will hear that either way. Kris doesn't say that for us. She only finds that out in the watch variant though. so if she doesnt hear it either way thatd make sense
@@chastox Fair enough. After all, your choices don't matter.
*Noelle's do.*
I personally like the implication that Noelle's Snowgrave is STILL more powerfull than Susie's Devil Buster with her killing Spamton while Susie just left him gravely hurt.
well, the thorn ring seems to be more powerful than any devilsknives and clown's tails. And besides, Susie is already strong, But Noelle has a lot of potential.
@@dylanzlol7293 That and Noelle's spells work on purely magic, while Susie's hybridize attack and magic. So maybe Noelle's got the edge due to focusing more on magic.
@@yexe9129 Thinking about it, Ralsei could also be a strong magic user like Noelle. The thing is, he doesn't use his magic for violence, So his strength isn't properly utilized.
Actually, let's bring up some non-partner characters, Berdly. Ironically, he could be part of a weird run where he's the one that's being manipulated, First, He has a lot of HP and his magic attacks seem pretty good (Look at the Ch1 vs. Susie and Lancer fight, Susie's solo attacks aren't that hard [Through i'm sure it happens because Susie hasnt unlocked her potential at that potential] while Berdly is able to put up good fights.), Berdly could be able to use strong attacks like cmon he has a tornado attack imagine if he had a weird route boost.
Lancer. Okay so, Lancer is pretty weak in his current state, but look at his HP broo he resisted the strength of an angry Susie dealing 300 damage per attack (this battle happens after a battle against us, so he should be feeling a bit worn out from having to battle so soon again. however dam he's able to handle it perfectly), I'm sure that Lancer could get stronger easily, comparing him to his father (chaos king), I'm pretty sure he'd get extremely strong easily.
@@dylanzlol7293 I see your points, though some details we learn in ch2 give me things I wanna mention:
Berdly. Unlike Susie who's mostly physical with some magic and Noelle who's barely physical, very magic, Berdly seems to be a balanced deal, as apt physically as magically, or a jack of all trades. Furthermore, Berdly and Noelle were in the cyber dark world for an undisclosed amount of time, which means Berdly likely had time to figure out stuff, likely on his own because we know how little Queen cares about him most of the time. And he is armored, so he could be tanky, yes...also this is making me think the magic potential corrolates to smarts for some reason, lol.
As for Lancer: we already knew that Lancer is not strong. His attack is low. However, we know he's bouncy, to the point he would've just shrugged off being dropped off the castle. And we don't know how long the gang's in the jail, which could let him get his breath, since he also ate the dark candy before said castle. So Lancer seems like a tank archetype to me...hell without his bike he'd likely be much slower.
@@yexe9129 So berdly is a possible candidate.
Lancer may not be strong, but he could be stronger. His father is pretty strong, the potential is there. I think that his willingness to Proceed may depend a bit on Susie due to the close bond they have, Maybe if we could somehow set up both the "Lancer route" and the susie weird route at the same time, there could be a Lancer weird route.
i'm sorry but seeing Susie just stand there unamused during the Sweet Cap n Cakes dance sequence made me lol
Same lol
* everyone is dancing!
Susie: ...who's everyone?
This is the first time I've seen someone use LOL with it's literally meaning
Chapter 1 susie definitely would just stand there
@@natevalleystudios1086 "my name's not everyone."
54:40 i just love this part, it's just so well done, the transition from mean to kind is so hard felt, the way she removes her hairs from her eyes, and the "I'm glad you DID stop" is just so great, that's incredible work, even the face, but the best thing is that you managed to do this transition without making it weird, she's still herself
7:32 ngl I find this wholesome because Susie basically does the same thing if you go to the bunker at the end of chapter two
19:26
I imagine if you picked the "fix us" option he'd say something like "You are beyond fixing." and that's it, no animation of him hitting you to be found.
That feels like it could work, fits in with the sombre tone of Castle Town too
@@JQR. Maybe in a couple of chapters down the line? You know.. crossing that point beyond return.
Like a hidden hardcore mode.
Neither save points or the "fix us" option work anymore.
You only heal via items or your mage (that let's be honest, by this point it's gonna be Noelle.)
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 Oh yeah! That is true, I'll be sure to add something like this later down the line if I make another one of these
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 no no no, save points should work but not heal you and (if you have full/high hp) remove 1 hp, since beating a chapter without saves isn't exactly enjoyable and wouldn't make sense
@@LiMe251 Oh, I was refering to the heal system of the save points. But yeah, my mistake on not being clear on that
I like how Ralsei was the "your choices don't matter" character instead of Susie on the Cyber City path, really shows his continued reluctance to helping Susie and Kris with everything.
susie laughing after telling noelle to use ''snowgrave'' is fucking wild
i love when fans make more disturbing stuff than the creators of the game themselves
I like how after the chapter 1 weird route it basically tips you off about your next victim in hometown. Very subtle, very nice detail.
Ay thanks for noticing, the idea came from Napoleon Complex which I decided to run with
When?
@@theladiescallmesona 5:27 in the Rudy hospital scene (chapter one) he talks about how noelle is scared of everything and how she can’t do anything for herself. He also says to keep an eye out for her. This hints towards us needing to “help” her.
@@giftedlicense3548 Snowgrave
@@WOKEchair real observant there lad
I love how Rudy tells KRIS to keep an eye out for Noelle, showing that Kris also hates that the snowgrave/wierd route happens and that it is entirely the player doing it. I feel it is great to separate Kris from the player like that.
That's... NOT what that tells us.
It tells us that Rudy believes in Kris, and that they'll do whatever they can to protect Noelle, since they're childhood friends. It only shows us what Rudy feels about Kris and Noelle's relationship.
It's also good foreshadowing about stuff to come
How does that implies anything plus its just a theory with no feats
@@Underblox108it’s not a theory. It’s basically confirmed now
@@Underblox108delta rune fandom is the definition of not having reading comprehension lol
@@gonerdenjiLMAO FR
(Tldr: fandom doesn’t know what a demo is and how demos work and the fandom also horribly misreads everything in the game in some way)
this is probably gonna devolve into rambling but idrc since it’s been bugging me nobody is talking about it and when they do they dismiss it but demos are DEMOS they will give you a taste of the experience of what you’re getting into and they will hide/omit a LOT key examples being the elemental system, the sky mantle, and the twisted sword (this one being the biggest one) the elemental system isn’t unused, it’s clearly used but not in the demo! I mean just look at the sweepstakes, the code, the recruits even! Why keep bringing up an “””unused””” system if it’s unused? Because it’s a demo and when the full game releases it will be used! Why keep the twisted sword, only obtainable through a weird route item and an “unused” item in the game, in one of the most important shop npcs, in the overall main hub??? Because clearly outside of the demo theres plans for it to be used and it’s teasing us for whats to come like a demo does!!! The sky mantle falls under a similar umbrella that the twisted sword does in that it’s unused but also has the added stuff from the elemental system and the pure crystals! (based off of the “unused” shadow crystal purification and shadow mantle) deltarune has fallen under every conventional demo umbrella under the sun plus some and people are acting like it’s all a full game, it’s crazy and illogical!
Also don’t get me started on the weird tendency the fandom has to completely miss read a characters personality (biggest offenders being the bone brothers, one being a guy who hates jokes and is obsessed with spaghetti even though it’s clearly displayed throughout the game that he isn’t that, and the other being reduced some cool dude who is hot and stuff which again just isn’t who he’s portrayed as at all!)
Hopefully this rambling thing made sense, it’s been bugging me for a while that people within the fandom are like this.
I think I said it already, but I love how Susie and Jevil get so strong Jevil goes from joker card to a literal Pocket Knife.
Ngl, I like the detail that Catti *immediately* notices something's off when interacted with. And her refusal to talk after snowgrave ch 2. Also it just clicked how Ralsei had to deliberately go against the player out of concern.
Thank ye! And yeah you're right about Catti's reaction, another reason why she reacts like that also is from her hatred of Susie established in normal Ch2 (Susie doesn't go in the diner since Catti 'hates her guts')
And also glad you noticed that most of Ralsei's actions were from concern and not ill-intent!
@@JQR. What I said about Ralsei wasn't I thought it was ill intent. I meant "Huh, Ralsei seems to be deliberately against what the player's doing" ,which contradicts his normally gung-ho attitude to help the player.
@@yexe9129 Ahh, bad choice of words from me, I just meant in general to describe how it seems he's working against the player, ma bad
@@JQR. Exactly. Ral-sus doesn't like what we're doing this time around.
@@JQR. Just thought of this: If you're gonna continue to do this after the next chapters come out, maybe a cool detail could be that despite the level increases, if Ralsei FIGHTs, his attacks will barely do damage, given his increased reluctance to help you, or him defending giving Less TP, aka: making Susie even angrier.
“YOU REALLY THOUGHT YOU COULD [Defeat…] ME WITH [Big Shot!!] [Clown] [Juice]!?”
God tier quote.
lmao
I ASKED FOR A [Big Shot Soda!] AND THEY GAVE ME [Clown] [Juice]
@@nikocob1228_euhe euhe_
45:19 hint. hint.
That's Ralsei's way of saying:
Stop killing everyone using Susie, she's the healer now.
sounds like a good reason to...
REPLACE RALSEI why use the healer when there's 2 other ones on the team LMAO get that loser out of here
@@SkyanUltra yeaaaah!!!
that was im thinking about,when im see it!!
And then Susie and Noelle can use the Frost Axe combo from that one fangame!
@@joshuabergman3292what fan game?
@shinshi1972 I'm referring to fan game where Kris fights/controls Ralsei, Noelle and Susie
Honestly Spamton in this Snowgrave seems like the hero, you’ve ruined the psyche of two people and killed nearly the whole population of two worlds, and all Spamton wanted was the power to rule over the city, he has nobody to rule over and you’ve destroyed the city, and while I’m sure stopping you to save people isn’t his priority, it’s a benefit to what he’s doing.
Yep, but Spamton kinda helped kill everyone
To be fair, stopping kris from sealing the fountain and saving everybody isnt the most heroic thing, because then spamton is just dooming the entire world. If spamton truly wanted to be heroic, he couldve taken the thornring away from noelle or dont even encourage this behavior on the first place, telling kris to kill more people to get the thornring and then act all heroic afterwards is hypocritical. Spamton wasnt heroic in the snowgrave run at all
@@dylanzlol7293 actually, spamton at least in the normal route tries to take your soul, remember this is an Undertale universe so souls are still important and also determination, we don't know what happens if a darkner gets a human soul (he probably saw a monster one already too, as he said he hasn't seen a soul like we have), so there's a possibility all could end well if he got our soul
@@mariotheundying given what spamton did to everyone in the castle after receiving the neo body, i doubt that spamton will do anything good, i do theorize that a darkner with a lightner soul may be able to get into the light world.
Berdly: complements and wants Kris to continue growing stronger
everyone who doesn't hate him: don't do that, you don't know what you're wishing for.
True
Just want to say here, these are some of the best deltarune animations. There’s no obvious shipping/bias, everyone’s in character, and just the animation in general is amazing. Keep it up!
Also, the lag is a lot less noticeable now!
Thank you! I'm still trying to improve my setup to have no lag at all, also it's good to know that I've gotten everyone's character somewhat right, it's honestly the main thing I'm trying to get down
@@JQR. spamtoms dialogue at times feels a little rough, but everyone elses character is very believable, youre doing a great job at it
@@kaled8839 hmm, I'll keep that in mind whenever there are scenes that have him, he's definitely the hardest for me since he's the most... unpredictable? I guess?
@@JQR. he is very hard to get right, i can't really even describe how it feels wrong since he is just a loose cannon
@@TheGrammarNazi123 I never said there wasn’t any lag, it’s just not as bad as before.
This is just so good, chapter 1 designs showing how the characters aren't getting their proper development is a nice touch. Seeing Susie turn into a true gamer is also interesting. This is goin in my favorites, amazing video! Animated or Modded?
Thanks! It was was a bit of both with stuff like the DevilsBuster spell being modded in and cutscenes being animated on top of my recorded gameplay
@@JQR.Ey, Get A Cooler Computer.
@@JQR. What software do you use?
this is so good omfggggggg
bro the part where susie looked at you dead in the eye and the music cuts out bc you said you wanted to hang out with ralsei was SO CHILLING and the long pause DID NOT HELP. beautiful
@videogame_nerd 1:54:58
bruh that freaked me out like she was going to kill us or smth lmao
Ah, so I only have to traumatize ralsei to get him to stick to the chapter 1 appearance? Well damn sign me up!
Yeah bro trust me it's a worthy investment
A WORTHY SACRIFICE.
but i actually want a way to have ralsei keep on the chapter 1 look, via some random npc that can change looks or whatever..
@@jon8753-q3h maybe the hanger guy just gives yoy back the hat
@@jon8753-q3hthat kinda goes against
Yknow
His little arc of chapter 1
Also
That look is nothing compared to the suit he gets in queen's castle
@gabiwolf1439 he could just get a new/better hat
I don't know why but kris apologizing for killing half the population just had me in laugh
Ye it was supposed to invoke the funny
I mean imagine apologizing for killing half of the population, that's just like apologizing to a gamer for erasing his best save file he spend so much time doing (note: not speaking from experience)
@@JQR. I guess even most evil people deserve some comedy?
@@JezElectro13 DONT LIE TO ME JEZ I KNOW YOU ERASED YOUR BEST SAVE FILE!!
@@marcellinarosales6362 it wasn't Best of Best but i meant someone sneaking in to your game while... idk, you're in school, and THEN erasing it. I'm lucky no one is that "troll-y"(?) who is able to do that around me.
1:26:42
I LOVE the ringing sound that was added and how there was no awkward interruption from Susie. It really emphasizes just how badly Noelle is broken psychologically.
Oh this was super well done! I loved every minute of it and you really capture the essence of Weird Route with Chapter 1. Ralsei I think was characterized very well and his dialogue sprites were very good. There the obvious roughness on some custom animations and grammar mistakes, but that’s no biggie. Overall I’m very impressed, amazing job! Honestly I can’t tell if I like this one or Salt Route better- but if I had to guess probably this one, just because of what you set up with Susie replacing Ralsei could bring. I like forward to a potential follow up when 3, 4, and 5 come out!
Eyo thank you! Good to see that I kinda recaptured the Ch 1 weird route essence, still trying to improve my sprites for future videos also!
I do still plan to remaster that one video of the salt route btw, so your opinion might shift rapidly when that comes out :)
1:16:09 love how this part it’s mostly *YOU* whispering and calling for help normally until Kris just decides “Noelle please *we* need you” and screams her name
Hi JQR!
Really happy to see this come out. I might do a more detailed analysis later on but for now I just want to get my initial thoughts down and give some much-deserved feedback on all the hard work you've put into this.
I liked the fact that Susie expressed doubt and even guilt about her actions when coming off the genocide path. I thought that was really well expressed. Given how hard Susie tries to maintain her merciless outer persona it makes sense that she'd be a bit of a mess inside and would take the first opportunity a friend offered to guide her out of it. It also addresses a lot of my earlier criticism of Susie's bloodlust seeming to come out of nowhere as it makes a lot more sense if she's partly caught up in the joy of having a friend to share her violent tendencies with and partly being pressured into doing it to keep up appearances. If you already believe you need to confront the world with violence and threats and you then meet someone you like who encourages you to solve things with violence and threats then you're much more likely to continue to solve your problems with violence and threats (and side against those who want to take a more conciliatory path. Poor Ralsei...)
I took note of the criticism about the changes to hometown seeming 'edgy'. I have to take some responsibility here as I put forward those ideas. This is a quick 1-2-3 so I won't go into too much detail but the summary of my thoughts might be that I underestimated how well Kris keeps their emotions under wraps (they only ever show distress for a few seconds) and that making the interactions a little subtler might work better. MK realising that Kris is angry and awkwardly backtracking rather than him being outright terrified of Kris hitting him. (He's more confused by the strength of Kris's reaction rather than scared of the threat of the violence itself as he doesn't understand where Kris's anger is coming from. The 'Jeez is she forming a gang now' was almost sarcastic in my head when I originally wrote it as he's more put off by Kris's behaviour than actually intimidated by it.) As nice as they sounded to me on paper a lot of the smaller things around town could probably be cut and I think the music cutting out when Kris gets angry at Noelle suggesting a gift for Susie might have been a bit overkill.
That said I admire the way you took the idea and ran with it. MK being terrified by Kris feeds in really well with Noelle wondering if they are being threatened after they show guilt despite outwardly appearing to be a bully victim and it all builds into the reputation that Kris and Susie appear to start to build by the end of chapter 2 of being intimidating ruffians who actively scare their classmates with their presence alone. That aspect was really well done and on second watch I can see what you were going for with that creeping increase in dread. It also makes the regret Susie feels when coming off of the path more poignant. Susie clearly realises what she was turning into and expresses gratitude in Kris snapping her out of it.
I'm running out of time despite having so much more to talk about so it'll have to wait until I get home. I want to end on a really positive note so I'll say that I LOVED what you did with Castle Town. The SOUL's possessiveness of it shines through as they call it 'My Castle Town' even as it crumbles to dust around them from neglect. In the normal route you get to see the town slowly come to life but somehow we see that progress turn into the negatives here as the neglected buildings crumble to dust and opportunities are lost forever due to the player's callousness. The tragedy of Ralsei having to watch all of this as he becomes more and more isolated is extremely well done and I think this was one of the strongest aspects of the entire work.
I've got to run off now but I hope to continue this in a bit more depth later. Thanks again for this JQR.
Yo it's great to see you here Napoleon Complex!
I'm glad that some of the weird route aborts managed to address your criticisms, I tried to connect Susie back to how she acts in normal Deltarune to remind the player/viewer that she isn't literally just a stone cold killer; I tried to make a bigger disconnect between how she acts in this route and the normal route, though I don't know how well it worked.
Like you said, I tried to run with your idea of Kris getting angry at MK though, looking back at it, the scene went too long and is a bit out of place in the hometown environment, I think the more subtler interaction you just suggested would've better suited the hometown environment, with a remark from MK instead of a cutscene. Oh yeah, the music cutting out when Noelle suggests a gift is completely coincidental, I didn't mean for that to happen and somehow it slipped past me!
Thank you for looking at the Castle Town tidbit, it was probably the one thing that wasn't in Jummy's concept which I put a lot of thought into, my thought was that if the Castle Town grows with every new recruit you get shouldn't the opposite happen if you try to lose them? We see this in the base game to an extent with how Sweet Cap'n Cakes don't get their shop if not everyone is recruited, the idea is that as chapters go on more and more buildings will start crumbling and sections of the Castle Town will be blocked off!
Anyways it was very cool to hear from you again, if you ever end up adding onto your points such as critiques or feedback I'd be happy to reply!
I love how Susie is more short-tempered in Hometown, like banging on the desk in Sans’s shop, and doesn’t even try to act polite towards Toriel.
I just realized in the hospital scene for Snowgrave Noelle seems scared of Susie, not like the normal Snowgrave where she seems more blushy and embarrassed
The scene after you leave the room as well, it looks like Noelle had an episode and Susie didn't de escalate the situation, and Noelle might be more susceptible to our influence
Susie is so scary that noelle stopped simping over her violent tendencies and got scared
So basically if a character hasn’t done character development they are easier to control
This is amazing! I much prefer the idea of a Chapter 1 weird route that is even more specific than 2's. And it makes more sense, story wise. Jevil gave you himself to wield, and causing rampant chaos is what he does best, which is helped bu Susie's thirst for violence and the objective to get stronger. I also like how things extent to chapter 2, like Spamton and Berdly noticing something wrong, or Susie thanking you for stopping if you abort the route, the writing of that was very well done might I add. I also noticed something really important: Susie and Ralsei look the same way in Chapter 2 as they did in one here, because they didn't finish their arcs that lead to them looking differently. Susie never stood up to the king and neutralized him without violence, hence her eyes no longer being hidden, and she learned to become a kinder person. Ralsei is simpler: he was never told to take off his hat, so he keeps wearing it. A few more details: in the non Snowgrave route, Ralsei deliberately avoids healing Susie when she hurts herself, yet she learned true Ultimate Heal. She stopped fighting and learned to heal, she also seemed happier after this. She only seemed like a true jerk in the Devilsbuster+Snowgrave route, she acts very apathetic though it seems she never learned to open up and more like her self from the beginning of Chapter 1, perhaps moreso. That would be because she was taken back on her character growth and made to fight people
Susie shows Noelle how to Snowgrave in the last section in case you didn't catch it. She even does the same hand gesture before laughing-
Well no, the pose that Susie makes is the one she makes when you act with her, Susie was acting to tell Noelle to use Snowgrave .
Heck yeah love that you filled out this concept even further! Time to see just how far we can take this...
*Ch1 Abort*
0:54 Heh, and Ralsei picks it up as worry and assures you instead, which causes Susie to remember her promise to Lancer, and question what just happened... can't keep her blindly moving forward if you don't make her follow.
2:38 Heh you just get locked out. Does that mean you're locked into the run once you kill the first Rudinn?
3:34 I mean I'd be pissed too lol.
*Ch1 Hometown* (To be fair while these changes make sense, it's kinda weird that they happen after a Ch1 Weird route when nothing about Kris's demeanor changes after a Ch2 Weird route in-game)
5:54 Uhhh inadvertent Snowgrave hint from Rudy?
6:34 I think Catti's dialogue is slightly different, the confused expression is new.
7:29 Oof- and Kris is a _lot_ more pissed off now, especially since Susie's even worse because of the player. Poor MK better be careful.
8:47 Dang Alphys really just brought up the divorce.
10:43 Guilty cus we just made her worse >:D
11:02 Kris is just like "stfu Noelle istg"
12:43 Bruh.
*Chapter 2 - Castle Town*
14:12 Oh right nearly forgot Ralsei never takes off his hat. ...And Susie's still bloodthirsty for the King.
15:38 A _dusty_ ball.
15:44 New audio?
16:32 RIP Lancer's subjects- oh and Rouxls just faceplants ig lol.
18:13 Poor Ralsei's so desperate.
18:40 Oo new Castle Town music... and a very sad Don't Forget. Makes me think of Holly Jolly Village from M&L Partners in Time.
21:09 Well damn.
22:48 Hah, Seam doesn't care, he's just amused that Jevil gets to play again. Might as well leave you to your murdering spree, it doesn't affect him.
23:20 Awww sleeping Clover.
24:14 Your power...
24:36 Right and Coatrack Jack doesn't have the hat this time.
25:09 Well at least Susie's not out to kill him.
25:42 Oof Susie doesn't get a room, though I don't see how a lack of hands contributes to that? Pretty sure Ralsei did them himself, given everyone just arrived here.
27:05 Aw cute cutscene in Kris's- ohp and a slightly ominous lecture from Ralsei. Sorry man, Susie's got a taste of blood.
28:40 _Your_ Castle Town.
29:13 Ralsei quickly regretting lecturing Susie- not quite as confident when confronting a killer.
*Cyber World*
30:55 Susie's very eager to fight now- and like the new "dead" symbol.
31:24 Oh damn she just takes them out-
32:09 I saw that sparkle Jevil face-
32:24 Is Susie hitting the machine every time you get hit?
33:12 Lmfao "Ok Rude".
34:09 I was say maybe you can take them out but Ig Devil's Buster can only hit two? Guess you can't surpass the milk.
34:50 Not gonna comment on most of the Ralsei sprite changes since you just used the Hatted Ralsei mod for it, but this dance is cute.
36:33 Yeah and Susie's still just as stubborn as with K.Round. Which forces Ralsei to learn R-Action on his own.
37:32 Except Susie, who's just not amused lmao.
39:03 Pft Berdly realizing how powerful we are from our insane stats.
40:55 And Ralsei's too scared to heal her...
41:30 Ooo Ralsei's keeping her down and out so she can't hurt anyone? That's horrible but... also kinda necessary for him.
42:45 And Ralsei overrides our choice for once... And he takes away your greatest weapon in the process. Oh well. There's always still Noelle. :)
43:10 Oh neat some new dialogue from Noelle instead.
44:30 Was Ralsei trying to teach Susie how to be kind?
44:46 Oh yooo Susie's super strong with magic now, and her UltimateHeal is truly ultimate!
45:24 Yeah that'd be genuinely scary for him to hear. xD
46:46 I was worried about that- goddamn almost got Noelle actually killed! At least Susie just has a sense of humor... morbid as it is.
47:32 Noelle's crush almost overrided by a fear of Susie? That's scary.
48:56 Ooo Spamton knows what Kris has been doing? Though they didn't do anything to Spamton, and I don't think he's blame Kris considering he knows Kris is being controlled.
49:30 Yeah Susie's ready to trash the power of NEO.
49:42 Hah and Spamton already notices Jevil's presence. Not cool!
50:26 Guess there is a slight bit of heroism to stopping Jevil.
51:33 Ofc Susie's immediately pissed off, she wanted to kick Queen's but! No one jails Susie!
52:00 Pft yeah knew Queen would comment on it.
*Ch2 Abort*
52:52 Would Susie still tell Berdly it's ok for him to be dumb then?
53:53 Oo custom whip around sprite.
54:28 Oh geez Susie's disappointed- she trusted Kris would let her kill and they didn't. What gives?
54:44 That animation of Susie brushing her hair up is cool, like turning over a new leaf. But cool, she's glad we stopped! She gets to see what the other side of the coin is like... which makes me wonder, if you don't stop, she never knows, and just continues killing...
*Snowgrave*
56:12 I'm guessing everything with Noelle in the city is the same then.
56:18 Rromise not to say anything to who, Ralsei?
56:32 Hah, and Susie's still on our side.
57:20 And Susie just doesn't care if Rouxls is dead.
59:43 Oh that's a cool way to parody the pots, Susie having no patience for the pipis maze and destroying as much as she can.
1:01:27 Holy crap 1200-
1:03:35 Susie and Noelle proceed to bond over becoming serial murderers.
1:04:05 Daaamn Kris just tries to leave him.
1:06:09 I mean they do that at the end of the Chapter anyways lol.
1:15:10 So Susie still doesn't respond to the call...
1:15:57 Oh damn and Noelle doesn't either.
1:16:36 Ooo Kris _screamed_ for Noelle.
1:16:54 Ok so it's "You" called out to Susie now, so making use of her from the player like with Noelle?
1:17:03 Lmfao [[Old favorites]].
1:17:15 Well that's a terrifying image. And "If you need a job done, just call me." Jealous we have two pawns Susie?
1:17:34 Ooo but Devils Buster doesn't kill Spamton NEO, it injures him greatly, but he's not dead, not like with Noelle.
1:17:56 Oh crap last minute shot-
1:18:17 Oh no Susie didn't turn up the juice enough.
1:18:54 Alright, Noelle's turn.
1:19:03 Neat Snowgrave chimes sound effect, wonder where you found that? ;)
1:19:06 Oh damn that's an insane amount of damage-
*Ch2 Hometown* (Oh guess you made some changes after Snowgrave too, but for both weird routes only is still a little weird imo.)
1:19:35 Noelle Snowgraven even in her sleep- creepy.
1:20:12 Susie's more confident too... even when Noelle says it's a nightmare, Susie just assumes she's afraid of her and shrugs it off.
1:21:37 Oh that's the one that normally crashes after Spamton NEO's fight... red particles huh?
1:22:06 I guess Susie sticking with Kris is still kinda wholesome?
1:23:38 Noelle notices Susie first again... and Kris is just an afterthought.
1:24:35 Attagirl.
1:26:43 Oh cool Susie doesn't interrupt, and Noelle just runs.
1:27:38 Damn Susie doesn't go to Castle Town.
1:29:38 Yeeeaaaah
1:29:44 Oh rip Cafe.
1:30:13 Pft you have a point.
1:32:50 Uhh... blooper? xD Pretty sure Jevil's been defeated.
1:34:21 Damn that's a good Swatch sprite... he pretty buff tho too. 0///0
1:34:40 Well, at least the Swatchlings weren't killed...
1:35:24 Twice the power even.
1:37:18 Oh yeah poor Lancer doesn't get to see Susie... or eat rocks with her I guess. And Ralsei's getting more and more worried.
1:38:30 Pft Ralsei can't wave cus no arms under coat-
1:39:50 Daaamn straight up grabs MK. asdas SHE HAS A KNIFE!? A she damn near stabbed MK-
1:40:24 I don't think Susie quite understands how the dark world transforming works yet, but it's a neat idea. I doubt the Devilsknife is a pocket knife though.
1:40:36 Well Kris does like knives.
1:41:15 Ah, Susie just doesn't care about Catti being there now, and Catti decides to leave instead.
1:43:09 Damn what is life without being friends of Jockington? :(
1:44:07 Yeeaaah Susie has no time for Sans's shenanigans.
1:45:19 Oh damn uh- is Susie threatening Kris now-? This is gonna be one long and awkward cutscene with Toriel haha.
1:47:09 Oooo ouch... But Toriel doesn't seem too phased.
1:51:18 Susie's a bit more pushy about wanting to go home, but yeah Toriel wins anyways. Gotta have her for the third Dark World!
1:53:38 And now the conversation's more about getting stronger instead of hanging out with her friends... that's a subtle but telling change.
1:54:40 Pfft Susie still jealous?
1:54:54 Well that pissed her off lmao.
All in all really cool concept! Love how many small changes were added, even if sometimes they were a bit much. Feels let this route would genuinely continue for the whole game!
Eyo cool seeing u here!
I'll go over the random questions you had or just comments that I'd want to comment on (does that even make sense..?)
*Ch 1 Aborts*
1. Honestly I felt like I needed to justify why Susie was so remorseless in the previous ch 1 video so I thought, that picking the other option would put that on full display
2. Ye after you kill the first Rudinn back at the Great Door you are now completely locked into the run, I kinda did this just so it's a bit easier for someone not to screw the route up if this was playable, also since you'd be going out of your way just to go back to the start of the game
*Ch 1 Hometown*
1. Yup that was a sneaky little hint from rudy for SnowGrave
2. Not really commenting on a specific point here, but I'd just like to say looking back on this section I think I overdid it with Kris acting out as much as they did here (and with Susie later in the bunker cutscene), original intention was for it to be displayed that they were incredibly distraut here since it's been established that Susie is someone that Kris looks up to (as seen in Ch 2 and pre ch 1 in that one story from the Spamton Sweepstakes), though I think I should've just stuck with NPC hinting that they look kinda upset instead of dedicating complete cutscenes to it :p
*Chapter 2 Castle Town*
1. I honestly don't even remember why I had new audio at that part?? I think I had a gif of the recording which is what I use to draw stuff on top of, but I didn't actually have the original recording so I tried to dub everything though I couldn't find the exact sounds I think(?) And that's why it sounds weird
2. Damn y'know what, now that you mentioned it? The town theme does kinda give off a similar vibe to Holly Jolly Village, unrelated but the music that plays during this section is called MUS_*MAN*_ESCORE
3. The whole Ralsei lecture cutscene plays as a replacement to the one that would take place in Susie's room, not rlly something you asked but something I just wanted to point out
*Cyber World*
1. Basically by spamming the controls on the arcade machine Susie will eventually just break the machine, showing that she's grown physically stronger and ending that section way earlier
2. Never underestimate the power of *milk*
3. Actually sprites like Ralsei's dance or his coaster were actually made by me, the hat mod was used but that was only to automatically resprite all of his ch 2 sprites into his base ch 1 sprites (to save time on me manually respriting his walk up or down sprites), I didn't want to use any of the custom made ones, not 'cause they're bad!! I think they were extremely well made, but just because I wanted to try my hand at making my own, there is one time you can see a custom sprite from the mod, it's at 1:07:00 for one of his face sprites (I forgot to make one for that expression)
4. Yup and because Susie is so stubborn she just doesn't end up learning S-action
5. Yeah I guess you could say he was teaching her to be nice
6. The part where Queen reacts to Susie kicking her cell was semi-inspired by, uh, the omega flowey fight, at the end if you keep running into his pellets when he has you surrounded and calls you out on it
*Ch 2 Aborts*
1. In a way I guess Susie would encourage Berdly (Indirectly and way more aggressively) to be dumb and he'd still take it as honest encouragement
2. Damn you basically described what I was trying to convey at the last scene, yeah she sees the other side by being 'good' and feels sorta remorse
*Snowgrave*
1. Yup everything stays the same with Noelle
2. I shoulda definitely lowered their stats, everyone's completely cracked during the mansion bit--
3. I thought it'd be cool if there was more of a buildup to Susie getting called during the NEO fight so I did just that!
4. Something I woulda changed during the cutscene after the NEO fight would be to down Susie as well, she could realistically hit him again and it would've been over, the main reason for having this cutscene was that I wanted Noelle to deal the killing blow since this is a chapter centered around her, not Susie like Jummy's concept detailed
5. Hrmm damn I don't know if I exactly remember the channel that I got the chime from :)
*Ch 2 hometown*
1. Actually that's a different computer! (The other one next to it) I made it like that since in this route you'd be disintegrating and freezing enemies
2. Ye, originally I was actually going to have Susie leave Kris after this but then I realised that she is 99.99% likely to be in ch 3 so I changed that
3. Buildings like the cafe getting destroyed was part of an idea I had where you're town would get more and more destroyed from not recruiting enough enemies, kinda the opposite to recruiting enemies where you're town grows as a result
4. Ah damn you got me, that's a big blooper, I was playing on a save file where I didn't beat Jevil, it was late so I didn't notice either :p
5. Ye I think I might've overdid it with the Susie bunker scene like I mentioned earlier
6. Yeah I agree with you with Susie probably not knowing that objects in the dark world have a light world counterpart
7. I don't necessarily think it would be a pocket knife either, but did it anyway since Jummy mentioned the possibility in his comment section; since he came up with the original concept I just included it
8. Thought it'd be cool if the reason for the conversation shifted a bit in Toriel's House between Kris and Susie, I think it got translated pretty well!
Anyways thanks for taking the time to look at this! I tried to make this fit and work as an actual route in base game Deltarune (that's basically every video on this channel, haha) with a few bits and pieces here and there that didn't really work out
@@JQR. I think I forgot to respond to this lol-
- Yeah I can see how Susie would get so focused on kicking the King's ass.
-It kinda works too because regardless of the trauma and homicide Snowgrave brings, Noelle does get more confident...
-I've never really gotten the impression Susie is someone Kris "looks up" to? I see them as just being good friends with Susie in Ch2, and not really giving a crap about her bullying in pre-game. But yeah, no real custom cutscenes and Kris movements would make much more sense and be more in Toby's style. Besides, you don't even see Kris rip out their soul yet at this point, it'd be really confusing for the player. Toby doesn't drop hints about Kris reacting to our control even subtly until Ch2.
-Why didn't you just re-record it? xD
-Eyy fellow M&L enjoyer. Also wait what? Why would the Man be associated in this? You can't even get the egg in Snowgrave.
-Susie officially a rage gamer.
-Oh cool! Good job keeping everything yours then. Also any place I could see the actual sprites for the mod without downloading it and playing it myself? I can't seem to find any videos showcasing it-
-Wait so you meant something slightly different?
-That scene did seem familiar, it would be like Toby to reuse that joke. :P
-Ah yes interpreting insults as praise and advice, typical Berdly.
-I think it might be fine for Noelle, and she's made so OP in canon Snowgrave likely cus she's not going to be in future chapters as a party member, at least not soon. Meanwhile Susie we'll likely be having in every chapter, so her stats matter more.
-I like the idea of Noelle going Snowgrave and Susie just physically restraining her asking her wtf's going on before Susie gets called lol.
-Fair. And after all, while Susie's stronger and pretty brutal, Noelle's still supposed to be much more special in having insane powers, so it makes sense she's the only one who can finish Spamton off.
- ❄
-Ah makes sense.
-Ooo that's a neat idea, crumbling Ralsei's home beneath his feet.
-RIP.
-Gotcha gotcha.
-Ah fair enough homage, I just can't see why a pocket-knife would be in a children's classroom lol. A jester card doesn't really normally have a scythe though, so it must be something.
All in all it's pretty accurate, just went a bit too far in some places. We've got 5 chapters to go!
@@TheAdvertisementmaybe if something about the nature of something In the dark world changes [i.e. darkner to weapon] It could change the item if the change makes it inherently different in more ways then usage/purpose? Just food for thought.
@@LiMe251 Maaaybe but so far it seems that items are only formed when the fountain is initially created, and don't deviate from that.
I guess it's safe to say that Sweet Cap'n and K_K are the strongest monsters in all of Deltarune, considering they can tank and survive both Devilsbuster AND Snowgrave
K. Round
@@JezElectro13 K.Round can die if you modify your attack stat though, even if you give your entire team max attack/magic, you can't kill Sweet Cap'n or K_K, they'll always live with 1% health
@@coltonandjen ok. i forgot
45:45 It just occurred to me Ralsei is still shrouded in his hat, perhaps out of fear of Susie, preferring the safety and comfort of the shadows.
The thing that Ralsey has not removed his hat is pretty good, good job!
Yeah a bunch of people wanted that (including myself) so I added it in
@@JQR. it shows he is less confident and weaker mentaliy as he does not banish susie and kris for there homework bc hes probs scared of susie hurting him
@@emilymullen4832 Ye
The best thing about this Video
The fact the Cafe is in ruins is perfect lore wise.
Ralsei said more Darkners makes the town go stronger, so this is what happens when the town grows too weak.
Yep, that was the line that I had in mind while making that part actually!
I kinda thought it was because Top Chef was so bad at running a cafe, that he accidentally destroyed it
Can’t wait till Chapter 4-6 when the castle collapses
I really love the amount of detail put into these videos. The characters are portrayed incredibly well, and the dialogue feels accurate. I put a playthrough of a normal Deltarune walkthrough on another tab, and going back and forth and catching all the differences was fun to do. Minus a few grammar errors, I definitely can imagine something like this could've come from Toby.
I look forward to this series continuing in 2026 when Toby releases Chapters 3-5 (ok probably not that long I hope lol)
Thank you so much! It's kinda wild how all these little references and changes that I made are getting dissected in this amount of detail, I honestly thought that people would pay no mind to them, so it's nice when someone finds one
And ye I'll maybe try to carry this on when Toby releases the next chapters, hopefully with waay less spelling errors, ha ha, in the meantime I've got some other stuff in the works!
@@JQR.Btw, if Toby were to not include a weird run In one of the ch3-5 chapters, would you make it so that susie causes chaos alongside you?
You did really well! You could tell that Ralsei doesn't just stay close to Kris, but still leaving remarks with hidden meaning that none of the characters catch, because he's referring to the player, nudging them into sparing even one single person.
The set up for Ralsei's eventual demise or refusal to tag along is also pretty cool :3
Yo! I think you might be the first person to catch that, I tried to make him face the camera a bunch to hint at that fact whenever he was talking in any cutscenes.
Also fun fact: I originally intended to make his refusal to keep participating happen in this chapter, it was going to happen in the mansion after you kill your first enemy with Susie, at that point he would always heal the enemy that was closest to death so you wouldn't be able to slay anything during this section and he would also outright refuse to fight, but I realised that DevilsBuster kills enemies in one hit so this idea fell apart, so I ended up pushing his refusal to one of the later chapters.
Ralsei seems much more sad in this weird route concept, like he's losing hope the more that the heroes of light turn towards this path of extreme evil.
this is amazingly made including the abort points is a nice touch love the new sprites that are in this route and love that kris hair moves when he opens the window in his room in castle town i only seen the castle town segment but man the guality says it all if it wasnt for the text going a bit slower than usual i wouldnt blame someone if they thought it was official props to everyone who worked on this and double props if you did this on your own but regardless everyone who worked on this is really talented and this a personal preference but i love that ralsei has his chapter 1 costume i always felt that his chapter 2 sprite felt a bit off not because it was bad but there something about it that i cant put my finger on it
i make another comment if i have more thought after i see the full vid
Thanks! the Castle Town is also probably my favourite section out of anything in this, I'm still trying to better text box speeds and sprite sizes so it should get better in the future and yeah I made this on my own, aside from the custom music that people made which I have linked in the description
@@JQR. wow congrats
Nice!, this is finally out!, I was pretty excited to see how the changes in chapter 2 would look like!, and also, thank you for showing us what would have happened if we tried aborting the route, it was pretty interesting!, keep up the good work!
Thank you! Originally this was just gonna be a ch 2 differences video but I saw that there was a high demand for all of the abort points!
I just had an idea for a hospital dark world weird route
So, basically, hospitals are a place where sick people tend to be right?
Ralsei likes healing, right?
You manipulate Ralsei into "healing" these characters, by putting them out of their misery, pump it up and make it seem like they're gonna die a slow and painful death if Ralsei doesn't do anything
Boom, there you have it, Hospital world weird route.
Nice Video, I always love to see poeple making such weird route stuff
Thank you!
the "route abort" moment was honestly... one of the sweetest moments of such aborts all in all. just susie starting to sound sweet and nice and realising her mistakes, also feeling guilty for her actions...
Susie being happy about the sparing is kinda wholesome
Edit: this is just amazing btw
Wholesome ending
Edit: Thx!
What happens if you dont spare anybody but you dont use devils buster?
@@dylanzlol7293 Then Susie still won't learn her lesson similar to the SnowGrave route
I know this is all, supposed to be deep and scary n shit, but when queen said "Thats not very poggers bro" i couldnt stop laughing
Even weird/genocide routes must have funnies
@@JQR. Is there any chance this would become a playable fangame tho
1:40:07
I don't know why, but I imagine Kris is super happy that Susie has a knife, like "Knife Brothers!!! yayyyyy" because they has one too lolxd
1:13:07 Kris's attack and defense should have gone up after that comment, due to Kris being traumatized from both weird routes and Spamton making fun of it.
Where is he making fun of it
yeah kris should’ve went clover mode and gained atleast 100HP from that(not saying LV cuz deltarune LV does not make sense to me)
Kris after Berdly 1 fight: thank you Ralsei... the Player won't be able to-
Player: Switch from Jevilsbuster route to Snowgrave route!
Kris: Crap.
The fact that ultimate healing is actually healing really good
Raises question on how did Magic stat get so high. It's almost like even if we aborted the route, Susie doesn't until the end.
7:31 "Susie sucks" *Kris knows more about that than you ever will.*
Including the complete Snowgrave NEO fight was maybe a bit unnecessary, but definitely worth it for what came afterward; wouldn't've hit as hard if it was a slam cut to it.
Yh I also thought about jump cutting without the NEO stuff but it might've felt a bit confusing without context
Yes that NEO ending was crazy.
I feel as if Susie should have been given less of a spotlight in the chapter 2 section due to that chapter's weird route being mostly focused on Noelle. I thought perhaps the Snowgrave NEO ending should've been the same as vanilla, at the very least Noelle doing the final blow was better.
@@PhantomOfficial07but if susie wasnt focused on then we wouldnt get to see the consequences, you cant just throw the ch1 weird run's consequences away just because therell be consequences for the ch2 weird run
@@dylanzlol7293 We get to see the consequences anyway without susie being focused on in chapter 2. It's not good having to juggle having multiple "consequences" for when both characters are on screen at the same time
I just think Susie shouldn't be there in the ending, that's all.
31:40 Poor Ralsei couldn't ready the pacify spell fast enough...
I love how, when MK is making fun of Susie in hometown post-CH 1, Kris gets pissed and does what Susie later does in chapter 2 at the bunker. It’s an interesting detail.
* You whispered Noelle's name again...
* *Kris screamed for Noelle*
Dude this is so freaking awesome!! The way that Chapter 2 is affected from it is just so crazy. Especially the Snowgrave route...
Yh out of everything in this video I probably put the most effort in the Snowgrave Route part, probably cause it had the most detail in the original concept, glad you enjoyed!
OH MY FUCKING GOODNESS THE PART IN THE HOSPITAL IS ACTUALLY TERRIFYING! I HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS SCARED, AND I WATCHED HORROR MOVIES THAT WERE ACTUALLY SCARY!
Sorry for all caps, you did a really good job scaring the living shit out of me with that expression on Noelle when she realizes it wasn't a dream.
@@legendgames128 Thank you! It was my interpretation of what would've happened if Susie didn't immediately interrupt the conversation
Susie lifting her hair was genuinely heartwarming and caught me off-guard
I really like how susie's attitude changes as she becomes more violent and bloodthirsty as it keeps going. It shows that not only that your actions affect things outside of gameplay and that susie was wrong about how your choices don't matter.
Ond criticism that I have is that i wish we could've seen the conversation between susie and Noelle and saw why Noelle is so scared of her
I also wish we could've seen what her reaction was if we pick any of the other options on the festival question. Although I find the ralsei answer interesting
23:20 that sprite of clover sleeping is just so cute☃️
Thank ye!
Agreed, that looks adorable
52:04 My thoughts exactly, that was hilarious, Queen just being ever so slightly annoyed with the kicking.
Ayyy! Sick, you used a couple of my ideas!
This video is great! My favourite part was definitely the mansion. Nice job!
Ey! Thanks for the ideas my guy, stuff like the Sweet Cap'n Cakes fight I tweaked a bit but overall they helped flesh out the video a bit more!
God. Imagine if you did the Salt Route in Chapter 2 after doing the Weird Route in Chapter 1.
Man. Jevil is so strong he went from Joker Card to frickin Pocket Knife.
After Chapter 3 he gonna be a gun xD
@@superlemonslicer1224 who knows, maybe eventually he will become such deadly weapon
1:17:59Spamton Neo was like
“Aw hell nah I ain’t dying to a fucking clown” and straight up shot the soul
What a big shot move
and he succeeded. died to a million snowgraves instead. shows how determined he is.
@@alexanderthemidI
He is truly the big shot man
I think that Ralsei purposely didn't even make Susie's room, and just put on a door. He doesn't want Susie to be able to stay in the castle town, as she might hurt people.
You're right on that assumption!
Well kris can share beds
Or maybe lancer as well
Damn, thats really good concept.
It would also be interesting to see Ralsei's reaction to the route abort.
Ralsei: I think we should split up
Kris: FINE I’LL FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO KILL EVERYONE THEN
hmmm OH hey Noelle-
based
I completely loved all of the video, the aborted route parts were my favourite, in chapter one Susie tells you that she won't go that far to beat the king because she still doesn't feel the power and fun that she gets once you continue the route (the little dialogue of when you take off the Devilsknife it's a great touch) but once she feels all of that you can't go back and on chapter 2 (aside of how much I love the animation of Susie moving her hair fom her eyes) she feels happy to have spared the enemys and being a hero, praised and not feared, that shows that despite everything the Susie we know it's still there, another point that I enjoyed was Ralsei's behavior, he's clearly scared of what Susie is capable of and as much as he doesn't want the carnage to continue he is unable to do something against it, he doesn't even feel comfortable enough to take off his hat or heal Susie and he feels a little relief when you don't comeback with Susie. Somethings I really liked about Hometown is that in chapter 1 everyone notices Kris's weird mood and on chapter 2 the way Susie threats MK with the light world's Devilsknife was a little edgy but the detail of the Devilsknife, the new animations and Susie's violent behavior being justified made it more like a cool detail, now into the little details I liked I have to mention the new Spamton NEO scenes in the weirder route and the extra dialogue about the [Clown around town] that Susie carries (Sean mention of Jevil in his shop was nice too) another thing when Susie was standing awkwardly while everyone daced and how she punched Kris out of the screen by accident, more cool Susie details, she beats up the pipis on the pipis room, hits the cage non stop, breaks the arcade game and attacks Queen (the dialogue of Queen after was pretty fun and Queen accurate) now, let's appreciate how cool the Ultimate heal animation was and the custom Susie and Ralsei sprites when Susie was hurt, the little detail of the dojo only being open when Susie isn't around is just the tip of the iceberg of the cool new events and dialogues on Castle town, that with the new music makes the ambience of the place much more fitting for the route, the only thing I disliked is that you can't kill Sweet Cap'n Cakes, I just really hate them. In conlusion, the amount of effort in the sprites and every little detail was amazing, all thanks to Jummy's concept and JQR for making it a reality and this only makes me wish to know some coding and sprites to make a full fangame or someone else with experience will make it and also love to the effort that fans put into the projects, my heart goes to all of the people who worked on this and have worked in other fan projects. Also, thanks for reading this, i know it's kinda long :P
Completing each weird route might make Ralsei contemplate 0 HPing himself, on top of Susie replacing him as the healer should that happen. There are downright terrifying parts, and then the depressing parts. Our fluffy boy may not be with us for much longer if we keep doing this.
Hey, I know a little bit about coding, I might be able to start the chapter 1 weird route, if UndertaleModTool would just work for Deltarune. Until the mod tool is updated to properly support GameMaker 2.3 or above, there will be no chapter 1 weird route.
Wow, thanks for noticing even all the little details I put in this thing, kinda does feel rewarding for someone to come across all of them after making this video for so long!
Also thought of killing off Sweet Cap'n Cakes but I wanted to stick to the fact that they still negate all damage cause of the *almond milk*
@@legendgames128 if it isn't by his own hands it might even be by Susie and the Devilsknife
@@legendgames128 i heard a little about the tool and that it made modding less complicated and easy ruin, it makes sense that we would have to wait for the update, i'm glad to read that you have some determination to make it
I really love that Hometown Monster Kid interaction. I can't tell if it's implying more how bad of a mental state Kris is in that they can't control their emotions like in a non-weird route Chapter 1 or them feeling even MORE sympathy for her after what you turned her into or a mix of both but either way It's amazing
1:19:03, she ordered noelle to use snowgrave and is laughing about it, susie is messed up in this route.
But how DID susie know about snowgrave? did noelle tell her about it in her room?
Ye, it's a bit of fanon, but I believe that Noelle DID tell Susie what happened in the weird route, Susie just never confronted Kris about it since she'll "tell you later." and wants to hear it from them.
Even if that's not the case though, in this version she practically stays in the room with Noelle so I'm sure she got told more stuff.
Damn, not even 10 minutes in and I got chills. Great work!
Thx!
Castle Town’s music is so somber and heartbreaking. Like it’s saying “you can still change your mind, player. Think about all the Darkners that have died.. please don’t do it again.”
Susie seeming to catch feelings for Kris after Chapter 2 was really cute, surprisingly so given the circumstances
WAIT WHAT
I guess Susie is into cold blooded murders
Yeah uh tf
Kris just stopping the music and staring at everyone in the town sometimes is cool ngl
11:27: wow, didn’t think Kris would turn into a possessive person in this variation (as opposed to the controlling person they are in the canon weird route.)
This is about Susie to be fair which Kris in cannon seems to have the most affection for, sheilds her from KING at their own accord, Susie tea heals a lot, ect.
@@JQR. fair enough.
Possessive and manipulative
Omg the fucking faces Ralsei makes in the text box are haunting
Thank ye, I tried to make him come off as someone that the audience would feel sympathetic for
I love your Weird Route videos so much! Keep up the great work! I just wanna know what Susie would say if you pick her and/or Noelle at 1:54:50?
Her face at that exact time was extremely unsettling
Yo sorry for responding late, I meant to get around to answering this it ended up slipping from my mind!
In any case this is what she would say for these options.
Picking Susie:
* Heheh.
* You REALLY sure about about that?
* You sounded kinda hesitant there.
* What, You scared of me or something?
* ...
* Heh.
* ... Almost thought I had a friend for a second.
* ...
* ...
* ... Whatever, let's go back to watching TV.
Picking Noelle:
* Her, huh?
* I mean she is nice and all but...
* ... She is scared of like, EVERYTHING.
* Even a loser like you could scare her, Kris!
* I bet she'd be scared half to death if you shook one of those ferris wheel rides or something!
* HAHAHA!
* hahahaha!
* heh.
* ...
* ... Whatever, let's go back to watching TV.
Staying silent will result in her giving the same response she would have in a normal route.
1:01:01 Tasque manager saying "Get that silly Devilsknife this instant" Is a pretty good detail in my opinion.
That detail was already in the original game if you have the devilsknife
@@dylanzlol7293 i know lol
37:38 Shes just standing there... MENACINGLY!!!
37:39 Ralsei is dancing differently
* Would like to take a moment to appreciate how cute the cutscene in Kris' castle town room is!
* Especially Ralsei, he looks so adorable sitting on the bed!!!
1:26:43 I get the feeling that this reaction is caused by the realisation of the Dark World not being a dream, meaning she had actually killed tens or even hundreds of Darkners and even Berdly, there is only one sentence that can be said to explain what Noelle might end up doing after this realisation
Sayonara, Noelle…
1:18:55 most people may not know this but SUSIE was using noelle
i wana see susie do this with more and more people to the point that shes controlling kris
its like a chara thing but way worse becuase susie would enjoy doing this, like a player 2 in some sense (one of my fav hopeings for susie p2 and ralsei p3 and noelle p4)
and i feel like kris is one of those kids who were like: "oh this is a dream! I want susie to be happy in my dream so even if it is hard i should let her do it" "w- it wasent.... i created a monster...." "n-now im the player 2...."
Noice
ok idk why i wrote it like this, but i would genuinly like to see susie controling you, controling kris, and or susie ganing control over kris while you cant anymore
1:54:55 Oh my god that scared the shit out of me, genuialy scary
This is really epic and I get what the animation was going for which is epic. 10/10, epic
Finally, I've been waiting for so long!
I am very happy to see all this scenes!
All these scenes were much more interesting than the snowgrave!
It's a pity that Toby missed it to create a weird route for Chapter 1!
That's just the only thing I didn't like about the Jimmy concept is that you can't kill robots that dance! Not only did I not like it, but I also did not like how the sad "My castle town" is played, I expected to hear a scary version!
I liked everything else! Very cool!
I think the very sad and empty version of My Castle Town is super fitting; a scary version would just feel out of place. Especially considering there's still *people* there, they're just. Not very happy.
@@trondordoesstuff Got it
@@trondordoesstuff yeah that was my intention!
@@JQR. I want to ask a question?
What will happen if the 15 wave enemies attack them without using "Devil buster", then the genocide will be canceled?
@@delt2601 The enemies will end up running away instead if disintegrating when hurt, then the next batch of enemies will replace them.
The battle won't end though, after all 15 have been fought the enemies from the start of the fight will come back with full health, it will basically become an endless cycle until you use DevilsBuster!
Susie: Well you know what they say: Can’t have a devilsknife without killing a dozen bad guys, Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ralsei: ah. . . AH! That was horrible!
Ralsei: Your straight is horrible.
Ralsei: YOU ARE HORRIBLE! You are irredeemable monster!
Susie: Ah ah what took you so long? Idiot!
*kills Ralsei*
Jack horner would commend this behaviour
Tea changes ideas
Kris Tea:
Susie: (FULLHEAL + next Jevilbuster is free) HELL YEAH, WHATEVER THIS IS! (Ralsei:...)
Ralsei: (+50HP) (Disgusting aftertaste)
Noelle: (same)
Ralsei Tea:
Kris: (+75HP) (Susie: why are you calm? [Ralsei: (THEY at least like me)])
Susie: (-200HP) BLECH!!! IT'S POISON!
Ralsei: (+10HP) (I feel nothing...)
Noelle: (Same)
Susie Tea
Kris: (nothing) (Susie:... Kris? [Ralsei: they have mixed feelings])
Ralsei: (+5HP) Until there's hope...
Noelle: (+350HP) What's this aftertaste?
Noelle Tea:
Kris: (same)
Susie: (same but Ralsei is surprised by her positive opinion)
Ralsei: (+10HP) It feels cold...
These are sum relatively accurate and Creative descriptions to their responses, especially Kris' with Ralsei commenting on their 'mixed feelings' which I think best describes the relationship in this route!
@@JQR. thx. will you visualize them?
Wow. This is really cool.
@@noyneimkakoito thanks
1:30:01 H-how?
That's such a Toby Fox thing to do, have the cafe die because it didn't have customers, it makes no sense but a ton of sense at the same time and squeezes a chuckle out of you.
(This main comment is very long, the first 2 replies are continuations) This… this is my favorite video you have made thus far. I want to leave a comment about the video itself, and not secrety Jevils. Seeing the length of this one made me say “oh lord” out loud, so great start already (2 hours! That is longer than a lot of movies!). Anyway, So here goes.
I was super hyped for this one, I knew it was going to be a Deltarune anniversary special lol. Also, Congrats to Napoleon Complex, MattPixelSpriteMaster, funnyyeh12, and a few others who got their ideas into this video and got to the credits! That’s super cool, was very fun seeing which ideas were being used or shown while watching and knowing where they came from :)
The chapter 1 extra stuff was cool and hardcore. You only have 2 chances to back out of the devil’s path. And getting back on a better path requires true pacifism in the Cyber World, I like that commitment required to “fix” our choices. Seeing how other attempts at later times fail is, to me, fitting for Susie’s characteristics(not being controlled by the game and player, stubborn). I loved the hometown Ch. 1 changes and the dialogue from Alphys asking if Kris’ home life was difficult was something I thought I wouldn’t see in… well anything (it hit hard). Asgore, Toriel, the hospital receptionist, Rudy, and even Noelle’s comments about how distraught Kris is really paint a picture of how the Weird Route affected Kris, very neat. Catti’s only real remark being an extra text box with Catti making a face with a question mark by her head is a subtle detail, but I like it, Kris and her are or were close so she would notice his anguish. Btw did you make that portrait? I’m not well versed in unused Deltarune stuff, but you sure did make a lot of material for this video… a lot. Despite showing her concern, Noelle is still simping for Susie and Kris ain’t having it with her lunchbox plans and knocks some sense into her Susie-rotted brain lol. Kris and Monster teen’s confrontation was a personal favorite, has all the dread that eats me up, also the scene came from Napoleon too (all of these differences for Ch. 1 hometown here came from Napoleon, the G.O.A.T). Kind of a weird juxtaposition on that interaction from the base game, one reaction is out of knowing Susie better and the other is a reaction of knowing what Susie can do when she let ’er rip (thanks Jevil). I liked how intense it was with Kris’ lowered gaze and how Monster teen tripped too, nice sprite. Also, Monster teen gets roughed up hard this video, tryna tell us something JQR? Lol. Should have shared some and gave Snowy a bit of a hard time too, that owl did nothing to help out in Monster teen’s time of need bruh. The soured atmosphere in the normally happy Hometown is something cool, hammers home that what was done is not going to be forgotten in the future.
The first Castle town section is great and so somber. Even before anything changes, Susie is ready for more prey and that pose is cool and Ralsei is understandably unenthusiastic about seeing them two. When Kris jumps in with the ball, I thought the different sound effect (I think from a pirouette effect) was on purpose because after all there is barely anyone left. I will say that this and the other Castle town section are just too perfect to what Deltarune can be. Seeing such differences is like a dream come true. The dialogue from Mr. Elegance (neigh to that! Is what I say!), Mr. Society (thank you for the mediocre home!), and Roulxs (something art… lackingth, it Feeleth) all do a good job of describing how empty the new castle town is while also being in character for all of them, your ability to make such convincing dialogue is impressive and that’s for a lot of it in this video too. Although, Mr. Society is just the most rude one, begone with you >:(. The new Castle Town theme is so good and already does the best at describing how desolate the town is. When first hearing it, I thought it had the World Revolving as the main piece, but it is Don’t Forget (although, the World Revolving technically has every song in it so there’s that lol). Brief tangent, but Roulxs Kaard is one of my favorite characters to appear in these videos and his appearance at the beginning is so funny and strangely disconcerting too when Lancer mentions King, plus Kaard’s dialogue was from a comment, Mr Frog, too (tangent end). The Ralsei dummy and Great Door text are neat and came from funnyyeh12! The door one I like the most, you can’t run from what you’ve done, Jevil will still be with you even in the Dark. Seam, Seam, still so sneaky but glad he is getting a kick out of Jevil being a part of the team. The Castle Town changed from your power? I think you meant from OUR power, it’s a team effort, right Jevil? Ralsei’s speech to Kris, Susie… and me I guess, is so personal along with the cutscene itself in Kris’ room. Kris at the window with their hair flowing, Ralsei cutely sitting on the bed, and Susie always leaning on a wall, quite fitting (Kris’ storage thing is missing at a convenient time lol). A needed reassurance of their goals, despite the acts of the past still latching on… poor Ralsei. Also the new text at 28:42 is good detail, still a fantastical place. So Jevil, having Jevil flash and disappear and reappear in different forms around Castle Town is great and I am happy with his role in this video personally even though he is not blatantly “active” than from part 1, but I said enough about Jevil already. That, plus the music gave me the feeling of just how much Jevil has effected the world itself. Oh, I guess I should have known but no Starwalker :(
The compilation of the other differences is cool, I especially like all the new Chapter 1 Ralsei moments in Chapter 2. Like: new squished Ralsei and new dancing Ralsei lol so cute (also, the unused Ralsei coaster!). Watching this made me recognize unique things about your style for animating, with characters being less rigid so they move more smoothly and connected, quite interesting. For dialogue, Queen is like the winner in this section she literally sounds like her dialogue was meant to be plus it’s hilarious too, saying we can’t pro game and saying we are not very poggers in the face of almost getting thrashed lol. Everyone else is fitting, Berdly using game mechanics for his reasoning is great and Noelle’s nostalgia talk and her parenthetical self-assurances work and connect to how she is in normal snowgrave too. Ok going back on track, Ralsei saying that we can get the Sweet Cap’n K_Ks to all dance without Susie’s cooperation is actually crazy and it’s like Ralsei read my mind, he is pretty clever even though he always so depressed (definitely sad that he even has to use some exploits to begin with). Berdly is pretty sturdy to the gang’s new power levels and the extra attacks are fun surprises, still proving he is an elite gamer. Ralsei carrying Susie when she’s injured is so sad yet the interaction before that happens is still so dreadful despite her injury, Susie is still so intimidating to Ralsei. Him not healing her was kinda a surprise but he is smart for doing so, keeps Susie in a rare state that might actually make her listen to him… and keeps Susie from killing people. Trashy gets to say his inventory thing and Ralsei is actually polite to him yay! Ralsei disregarding your “no” is quite funny in regards to that being what Susie does, but he is right in taking Susie in his care… hopefully they have a good time (his chapter 1 sweetness comes in when he says that we will do great on our own, i miss that in normal Chapter 2 lol). Susie’s BETTER ultimate heal being a real hadouken/kamehameha that heals max is crazy, also super cool looking. Looks like Jevil is helping Susie with her educational problems lol. It’s always curious and a bit immersive to me to see the player decide what option to choose, and for the “she is our enemy” option, Kris doesn’t join Susie by pulling out their sword like in the normal game… which was an option I chose onetime, worth though. Also Ralsei looks at, or focuses, on Susie when she is charging up the Devil’s buster attack on Noelle; this is a detail that is also in the previous video when Susie is about to kill King before Ralsei stops staring and sings, very neat (Ralsei also does this when Susie swings at Queen after the arcade blows up). Spamton Neo’s expected anti-clown reaction is cool and surprisingly fitting. Him ending off the intro by saying he will stop some [chaos, CHAOS!] solidifies that Jevil really is our fourth party member. Ending the paragraph with Queen and her calibrated cages, it’s simple with Susie kicking the cage and then getting flung away but shows that Susie is still attack first, everything else later. Queen taking up her whole monologue before she flings Susie away is some fine comedy.
For the abort route section, I do have more to say but it’s going to be in another reply, so here is the short version. In summary, the motive for Susie to stop herself is good and blends in Jevil’s and Susie’s personalities nicely (still itching for a fight, but grateful for doing something good), Susie thanking Kris for pulling her out connects to her genuine character in base game, but I find how Susie talks about what she’s done a disservice to a point that would be interesting to see if the aborted DevilsRoute was shown off more.
The Snowgrave and Devils Route combination… the climax/finale is excellent. This part made every interaction between Susie and Ralsei have unreal amount of dread when watching the first time, oh I was actually shaking at times. Since this part is the first time that the fun gang + Jevil fight enemies, the amount of health each person has and the amount of damage Devil’s Buster does is actually overpowered, they are gonna need a lot of healing to fill those health bars lol. Their power level is rising, it’s overflowing! Ralsei’s post fight animation was actually updated from the previous video, still so sad for Ralsei, I hope he is praying for mercy and forgiveness on their souls. Susie destroying all of that pipis is funny, Jevil probably told Susie that would be fun. Susie going into Noelle’s room this time has a totally different motive lol, Susie is scary in this route man. And Ralsei falls asleep again but he has his hat now. Susie not coming out at all and Kris just walks off, I thought that Susie would be stuck in there throwing around a crazy Noelle around the room (hehe). Going over to Queen with only Kris and Ralsei, Queen still is funny, I like the “Just help me blanket the world in darkness trust me it will be great”. Seeing hat Ralsei talk about why Queen shouldn’t make another fountain is surreal, Ralsei at this point always seems so somber (this portrait is a nice surprise 1:07:01).
Then after that… the finale and the man of the hour: Spamton Neo. By the way, Kris bought some CD bagels but didn’t use them lol, homie wanted to fill in the inventory. Playing through the whole Neo fight was worth it for the payoff, I myself was paying attention to the fight for any different things to pop up but alas, only get to watch how the player fights Spamton Neo lol. Having the act part not end at Noelle surprised me, and the pipis attacks having more pipis appear is cool. Progressively more difficult attacks like that would be like an endless mode too for Snowgrave Spamton Neo. “You” calling for Noelle in a normal voice and then Kris screaming for Noelle, very good, and the music slowing down after each act is… it would make the Salt Route video proud. “Try Someone Else” Cmon Kris Susie will get the job done, she is one of our [[Old favorites?]]. When Susie arrives, her saying how she doesn’t know how “Kris’s” voice can reach out so far is some neat detail, but more importantly she says the line!!! “If you have a job to be done just call me, GOT IT?!” WOOOOO. Everything after Susie busters up Spamton is… insane, especially for Deltarune. Seeing Spamton’s silhouette hanging… I couldn’t believe it (to me, his main face always looks like he’s drooling). Then he shoots the soul when it is on the fountain, that’s our favorite BIG SHOT. I thought his dialogue during his last stand is quite good and sounds like he’s hysterical. He’s so broken but says he has been made stronger, the [Help! It Hurts!] part is spooky. That is indeed the [Big Shot] guy. But dang, Susie… getting Noelle to use Snowgrave and laughing when the attack happens… that is sinister. Those damage numbers tho, they were so overkill that I was feelin the chill darn. Awesome
The post-Snowgrave-DevilsRoute-hometown section, that’s a big title lol. After the crazy ending in the Cyber World, we don’t even get a little break with Noelle still having white eyes until she faceplants the desk, now that is creepy. Susie not really caring about Noelle’s opinions about her is a certified Chapter 1 moment. Seeing Susie being disappointed by not having fun crushing dudes this time around is a bit ironic, then she blames ralsei for that feeling even tho he still taught her(with some Jevil help) to shoot healing hadoukens smh. That new computer screensaver is… strange. Ok, the real hometown part has a lot of things, super cool. I like how Susie initiates joining Kris by being like “Ya need me to lead you home? Yeah you do let’s go” like she actually thinks Kris needs her to get home lol. First stop at the hospital… ya know, I didn’t think a RUclips video would ever grace me with actually showing Noelle realize that everything that happened in the dark world is real and that face and that noise is the icing on the cake. My mind was blown, Noelle’s… might’ve also been and then some. Noelle slowly walks away and Susie comes out and seeing what she says is freaking hilarious, Susie being like “aLl HeR faVorite tHiNgs, her FavOrite plAces.” For being at her rudest she and Rudy seem to be better friends already this time, Mr. Holiday knows how to roll with the punches. Also, Susie saying she would beat his butt first and staying on that one text box for a long time is a bit genius, making us think awhile on how is the other character going to react (that tech is used a lot in this one section, all pretty good). Susie not going into the Dark World because she’s starting to hate Ralsei’s guts? Oh no… this is bad. Castle town this time (with more visible Jevils) is still somber but also just shows how depressed Ralsei is, poor fluffy boy. Well first Queen gets sent to her room (in the words of Palpatine: ironic…) and trashy says he’s the only one there, plus Swatch, blue Addison, and Sweet Cap’n K_Ks. After Ralsei greets Kris, the darn cafe is broken due to a lack of customers… how do you do this JQR, literally the real Deltarune right here. At least the chef can give us free spin cakes now, a small price to pay to have both a top cake and spin cake. The dojo is open and Clover is awake, btw ya didn’t check and equip the puppet scarf for Ralsei for the best damage(although he should probably refuse to equip, or just let him use an attack scarf, so unoptimal this player is lol). Seam does not say anything special this time, I am now sad :(. Swatch… pour one out for the boi (his new look and pose is cool to see). Oh and Lancer, he was looking forward to seeing Susie, although they probably will still be best pals, Lancer still is very Lancer-like. Back to hometown now. Kris and Susie go to the bunker where Monster teen and Snowy are and… at this point something different must happen. And dang, was that something shocking. I was expecting Susie to like hit one of them for real but her grabbing and lifting poor Monster teen and flashing the smile and knife literally made me gape in surprise and dread. And Susie even readies the knife like she is about to stab, but only drops the armless whelp who closed his eyes by then. I did like this scene and thought it to be innovative and felt like a cool addition, plus I like seeing new poses and sprites. Monster teen must’ve got his soul shooked right out of his very being, he even walked away slowly after being let go. I mean, JQR what do you have against this guy to make two scenes where he falls flat on his butt and one has his life put into Susie’s hands lol. Susie’s light world Devil’s knife is pretty neat, Jevil gets to still be with Susie in this form. Even though the concept of a family having personal knives(even if it’s just for pie, those Dreemurrs) is wack to me, Kris being excited by Susie being a new knife friend kinda works and is also just darkly funny considering what just almost happened right there. Next to the diner, where Susie doesn’t even care about angering Catti lol, looks like Susie decided to use her “I’m not going into that area” card on castle town and Ralsei. Also a bit surprising seeing Catti actually walk around. Jockington ain’t impressed with all the strength that Susie and I have, even sending us to the no-friend zone lol. Going over to ‘Sans, Susie slamming the counter and both Sans and the diamond guy jumping is simple but nice nonetheless. Oh Sans, him calling Susie “lady” is a bit comical, but dude, Susie has already ended up in a lot of fights yo. Susie being savage to the Sans “bone man” Undertale is quite a sight. After that, Kris and player go straight home but Susie wants to hang out more this time. I… never felt so much worry hit me until Susie just grabbed Kris’ arm and started leading the way. I will say more a bit later but that moment, despite being so small, crossed a personal line. Now at the end inside Kris’ house. Susie being more chill instead of freaking out being inside Toriel’s home is very different yet almost the same, Chapter 1 Susie makes this work. A lot of the differences are actually very subtle since it’s Susie not, like, self-censoring herself for Toriel yet she still shows admiration for Toriel, just not as much as in normal Chapter 2. An example is Susie says “hell” in front of Toriel normally and also does not react when Toriel says “hell” later. Also, Susie punches Kris across the room lol (the new punching animation is neat too). Yo Kris, don’t make Susie do all the work like ever again, she might do something to you next time. Susie and Kris sit on the sofa and that line about Kris needing to be told to sit down from Susie is coincidentally kinda right at this point. Susie asks Kris if they would take Noelle… or her to the (stupid) carnival and we say Ralsei. Fine choice… but Susie doesn’t like it at all. That super long pause on Susie’s face when Ralsei is chosen is great and the music cuts off too; I was scared to see how much Susie would rip into Kris for that, she has gotten to her scariest. Susie being disgusted by Ralsei’s weakness just hurts, he’s already been through so much. The conversation being about Susie wanting more interesting Dark Worlds to continue crushing enemies and enjoy her trip of literal power is dark and cruel, Jevil and Susie have bonded very well. And we finally arrive at the credits of this 2 hour journey and for that length only 4 songs total (2 new) were used, impressive.
(Here to the break was meant to be with the ending paragraph from last reply) I always like the credit sequences of these videos, also like how the “YOU” at the very end is always differentiated in these video, although this video does not do the thing the Salt Route and Ch. 1 Weird Route do where the rest of the words fade out leaving only the YOU. In this one, it’s white text and in all caps, but I liked the other two videos’ stingers because it feels like the video itself is judging me lol. Love the meta detail. And we finally finish the video… but not the comment.
So Susie, here’s a little section about her. From when I played Deltarune, I like her a lot, especially when she is scary. An impression I got from Susie was, as I have realized, a bit or way different from how everyone else sees Susie. The main idea I got was that she is naturally cruel, too cruel. This video in particular makes her truly cruel and really scary. This Susie and Jevil mix allows Susie to answer her true calling of a feared warrior and at her most worst… or best, a blood-drunk hunter (straight from Bloodborne). Seeing Susie using her murder face and have it almost certainly mean that she’s going to hit hard does wonders for whenever she talks. I like how like all of her new dialogue in Chapter 2 is focused on destroying enemies and everything else is just lower on her priority list, stuff like her wanting to clobber Queen, looking forward to fighting Spamton Neo, and her not really caring about what others think or will do around her (Noelle, Catti, Ralsei, Toriel) really shows that. Susie’s Chapter 1 portraits in Chapter 2 are cool to see, some seem to be newish like her smirk at 1:53:47 or her laughing at 1:53:31. I think her speech patterns are accurate, my favorite thing Susie has said was that “y’didja” lol. At the very end, Susie’s genuine person under the scary brute pops up as if Susie wants a better friendship with Kris by bonding over knives or by wanting to know who would Kris take to the carnival, stuff other than just crushing enemies together. With the only other person that opposes Susie being Ralsei, a lot of their interactions are full of conflict and become a wrong sentence away from a bad time in the Snowgrave section in Chapter 2. Heck she is so scary in Chapter 2 that even when she’s injured Ralsei is still intimidated of Susie enough to not heal her.
Oh, and Ralsei… I don’t think I ever worried and was saddened so much for a guy like watching Ralsei’s scenes made me feel. His MANY new portraits (some used in the last video too) have such a wide spectrum, from the more cautious side way glances and nervously cute faces to the desperate and soul-crushing looks of a prince knowing his world is dying. Ralsei also has extra new sprites too, most being related to what Susie does although those 2 sprites 1:28:56 when Ralsei greets Kris by himself in Castle Town are nice and sweet. Seeing hat Ralsei in Chapter 2 is, of course, epic but it costs Ralsei’s mental well-being for such dream, as Gherman would say: So Sad. In the first Castle Town section, you do an excellent job on portraying how Weird Route Ch. 1 effects Ralsei, he is not excited to show the team his castle and there rooms, is now pleading to Kris (and player) to spare darkners, and he sees fit that he needs to re-state how important our actions our in this world and to darkners. If Susie’s room being unfinished is on purpose from Ralsei… he better make sure that she doesn’t find out. Susie and Jevil’s effect on Castle town and Chapter 2 just make Ralsei work double time, always trying to placate the beast and trying to convince the rest of the party (Kris, Susie, Jevil, me) to spare and be real heroes. So much work, so it really must hurt him that all of those efforts fail and multiply during the Snowgrave section. Interlude: Ralsei teaches Susie/Jevil better Ultimaheal in both routes but doesn’t get to tell Susie the secret thing in Snowgrave even though they walk all the way to Queen’s mansion… I do get the Snowgrave reasoning (reason being Snowgrave makes Susie and Ralsei travel faster and may interrupt their travels) but it kinda makes a logic problem lol, end interlude. The return to Castle Town after Snowgrave really seals that Ralsei is now majorly depressed and maybe losing his purpose. When Ralsei is talking to Lancer about seeing Susie again, him slowly saying that she will come by at their next adventure really highlights that sadness and despair eating at him. Even with him at his most desperate, he is still doing what he does best, being sweet, when he poses a “goodbye” when Kris leaves is super cute. He is probably the most detailed character in this video, so many details, all of them make him feel real… poor prince.
Nearing the real end. I just want to say how watching this for the first time was one of the best things ever. I never had a video give me as much visible and surprising reactions and feelings like what this one did to me. Like I said earlier, Ralsei and Susie’s conversations were so dreadful that it got to a point that my chest gave me a feeling I haven’t had since trying to watch FNaF 2 specifically without using any… I guess coping mechanisms (lowering volume, putting my device far way, things like that) and that was when I already saw the whole game before. This feeling is what I describe as pure dread, wow. And all that dread from dialogue and mood. Everything from the Snowgrave Devils Route made me feel that and the finale to the Spamton Neo fight was beautiful, I genuinely paused before the light world appeared to give myself a bit of a break. And then I get hit by Noelle still being in… whatever her white eyes mean in the light world AND that she is not interrupted in reacting to her dream not being just a dream, quite shocked and impressed that you would do such bold things. After the first hometown section and seeing all those surprises (Courtesy of Napoleon Complex), I kinda started a game with myself by drawing up an invisible line to see how bold this video would get… many of Ralsei and Susie’s conversations and the depressing comments from darkners (and Ralsei) got close. There were 3 moments that did cross the line but 2 of them did in a way that I liked, those being Spamton Neo’s final stand and Susie poiseing the knife to Monster teen. The Spamton Neo Snowgrave stuff is just amazing and the second Monster teen scene was just so cruel of you, making Susie lift the knife a little higher and the teen closing his eyes actually made me think that you would make Susie go for it but she let him go; I still like it cuz it exemplifies Susie’s embraced joy for overpowering others that Jevil has brought out of her. But having Susie grab Kris’ hand and walk them away totally destroyed the line I was putting down, I couldn’t believe you would do such a thing JQR. Seeing that happen, I felt my heart beat faster and I truly thought “don’t you dare, don’t you dare” to myself, I was scared that Susie would reach the other screen. I did feel relief when Toriel opened the door, oh what she would have done if her child didn’t come home. Susie’s face after that seemed to show worry too about what Toriel might say, but of course Toriel did not notice and Susie is easily persuaded by pie. All of this is to say, if my memory ever failed me in life, I would gladly take the chance to rewatch this again and experience it freshly another time. These videos are what RUclips and the internet were meant for. I… still can’t believe you, JQR, would make Susie almost commit a Krisnap.
You made so much custom material for this video, with the 2 new songs being the only other things brought by that Deltarune OST “Archive” and of course the lovely ideas from all the gang… and Toby and Temmie for base game lol. Like, Catti doesn’t walk what cursed sight my eyes have seen sdhekdjh. Ralsei’s overworld fidgeting, Swatch, Monster teen, Roulx’s falling (and his smile wavering), Jevil’s shadowy face on many things, and many shenanigans with Ral and Susie, so much stuff that it’s no wonder this took so long after the first part. The two new songs used were great when they were played, very effective plus cool songs! This video made me notice that that like background light blue flashing effect (the lighting effect at when Susie is charging her prank attack on Noelle and in the extended ending of Spamton Neo fight) is on purpose and is kind of your signature, like it happens a lot in the Salt Route video but I kinda thought that was like somehow accidental. Pretty cool. It must be coincidence but the phrase “Try something/someone else” has gotten consistent use throughout these videos and it is always used to say that things are going to escalate, so it has gotten hype status to me when it shows up now lol.
To finally end, absolutely amazing video and art you have made. I guess I will put it here, but I never found any of the “edgy” parts that others have said to be, well, bad to me(I hardly thought about edginess when first watching). I mean, what I said earlier shows I liked those sections a lot already lol. You have real talent JQR, and your (frankly) frankensteins’s monster method of animating and modding Deltarune to get a video has worked well enough for the concepts you have brought to a new form. You have a great skill of turning dreams into reality, text/words into visual form, and I say that the additions you make always find a way to enrich those initial concepts. You are also just creative and have a good eye for details. Great seeing comment reception and ideas being used too, that’s so sweet. I have said that this is my favorite video you have made, but this is also one of my most favorite videos of all time. From my heart (which these videos have stolen), thank you for creating such experiences
Okay this is the full version of my thoughts on the abort Route section, here goes. The Route abort is… conflicting for me so let’s see why! Before the real stuff, the replacement motion for Wide Susie (trademark) does a good job, and is more threatening too. I especially like Susie’s gangster pose when she goes up to Noelle lol. Now for real, the first half of the abort is very good and I was even having a bit of doubt that Susie would understand (So… what gives? Ya tell me to “Try Something New” but stop midway?), but the tone and reasoning used is quite a good way to blend in Jevil’s bloodlust and Susie’s genuine person. Even though the section is still labeled “abort”, the pause before she lifts her hair has so much anticipation still. Susie saying how she is glad we/Kris stopped and saying how seeing the Cyber World treat her as a hero made her realize that she should no longer continue is something that I like a lot. I find it fitting for Susie’s character (a want to be praised for her own merits, people seeing good in her) and, while a bit tough to put in words, is personally the only reason I can find to pull her away from her true calling of a hunter. (Because of impressions of when I played Deltarune, I really enjoy a murderous, scary Susie that these videos have portrayed). After she says she has “no reason to keep doing this”, comes the part that makes me conflicted, how Susie handles the weight of her actions. First off, the dialogue from “that doesn’t excuse the messed up stuff that happened” to “we can still try to move on” does work to give Susie guilt but still want to fix and redeem herself, so I am fine with that… for the most part. Now to the real deal, When I first watched, something didn’t feel right when Susie quite skittishly says to pretend that everything else was a bad dream, it did bother me so much. I later realized that it was a Deltatraveler reference! (Specifically, from the end of the “obliteration” Route in chapter 2). First off, I will say that, while it works for the game, I do find things I take issue with on Deltatraveler’s Obliteration routes and how they handle the endings (chapter 2 specifically) which may be seen in my critique, I guess. I also did say in my Salt Route main comment that Deltatraveler will appear again, and here it is. So, my criticism is that one comment about pretending it is a bad dream cannot work at all with this route because, unlike the world-hopping shenanigans of Deltatraveler where Susie doesn’t understand where she is, Susie already knows that the Dark Worlds are as real as Kris’ apple-scented hair and she should know that she has killed real beings, an entire kingdom of them. Using that excuse takes away the issue that Susie should really have with herself, that she murdered darkners and enjoyed it. So, to me it feels you sacrificed a complex character facet of guilt and lost purpose for a reference. I can see how doing such a thing is hard to do in just a concept and a one-off segment of a large video… and it may be too much, but I do have some ideas that may get this point across in the context of only being in post Chapter 2 hometown. (This was where the short summary was at, moved to main comment lol).
Ok, here is the idea I have for a difference in aborted Route hometown and it starts with the dialogue in the computer lab. I would start with by keeping the conversation between Kris and Susie the same, until when Susie lifts her eyes and “aborts” the route. Susie starts off the same, but when she tries to bring up what she has done, Susie cannot get herself to say what she wants in words. Demo:
*it, uh, kinda made me realize that there is no reason to keep doing this
*… but… th-that is no rea-ssonn…
*… (portrait has Susie closing her eyes)
*… (portrait has Susie’s hair cover her eyes)
*… thank you Kris so much.
Susie’s dialogue would then be her emphasizing her gratefulness by thanking and appreciating Kris for helping her repeatedly, ending by saying she is glad to have Kris as her friend. She says goodbye to him and leaves the computer lab, but a bit quickly. I have two ideas for when Kris leaves the library and Susie joins him. One is a cutscene, while the other is a variation of her joining Kris dialogue that has a greater effect when walking around town. The cutscene is like a one-and-done thing that majorly shows Susie’s turmoil with her actions and that she no longer believes she deserves anything good, but walks with Kris to distract herself from such thoughts (I do have a plan for how this cutscene plays out, but I won’t put it here). The variation is that Susie waits by the library like usual but the dialogue she uses to get herself to join Kris is noticeably strained and more rough. When she does join Kris, while walking around Susie would sometimes stop and not move while Kris can move freely. Kris can wait for Susie to get back to them or walk away into another screen where Susie will run in from the previous screen. The variation will also have differences with other interactions, some I would like to mention would be that Susie would stop and be uncomfortable in the graveyard, and that Susie would be less verbally threatening to Monster teen and Snowy but would dent the bunker door with a hard punch. I think still having an aftermath even after “aborting” the Weird Route would be an interesting idea because what was done is… way more extreme than what normal Deltarune has done, and it can lead to a concept for a later chapter that has a character make Susie face her past sins head on, like a unique boss or a character has a new event just for Susie herself. I think having something like this Weird Route in Chapter 1 would make sense if it did change the story or game in someway no matter if you try to fix it, it happens too early and twists the bonding between Susie, Kris, and Ralsei (and of course Jevil is too heavy of a influence to just fade away). But that idea needs like the rest of the game to come out though, so I will wait for a while. I feel this passion for such an idea says… something… or a lot about me. That is my idea.
@@OmegaCrutch Hey, finally got around to answering this, sorry it took so long I've been offline for while!
It's kool that you've enjoyed the video to such an extent that you'd even call it one of your favourite videos of all time (wow... I don't know what to say! It means a whole lot), when going into this I wanted to still stick true to Jummy's idea for the route (say for one exception, Noelle finishing off Spamton at the end.) since that is why these videos were made in the first place but also wanted to imbue it with some of my own and other's ideas which is why there are changes in places like hometown (...courtesy of Napoleon Complex as you've said, the G.O.A.T, haha) with NPCs like Alphys, Rudy, or Catti noticing somethings off (Also I did make her eyebrow raise sprite thanks for askin'), though I will say that when it came for the monster kid sections I feel like I could of dialed it back a notch since I kinda just ran with the ideas at face value, not only cause now I look like I have it out for Mk!!! But also because they felt not so much edgy but more, uncharacteristic (at least to me), Kris would never really do anything out of their own volition this early on in the story, it would lessen the impact of the ch 1 ending in that regard if this route was played first and although I wouldn't change the second encounter much, I would probably get rid of the knife in Susie's pocket since she isn't really aware of how darkners transform into items during ch 2, in fact she is even confused about Lancer not being with her in the light world when leaving Castle Town to the 'group project' (a mistake on my part!) so she wouldn't be aware of the knife/object in her pocket either
Moving onto dark world bits, I wanted Rouxls to serve as comic relief, along with Lancer and Queen, to juxtapose the seriousness of it all, using Mr Frog's comment as a base (Also thx for mentioning him, I could never find his original comment to give proper credit so I'll be adding him to the description immediately after this!) though recently I feel like I could've taken the fact that you basically never meet him in ch 1 and do something with that aspect. I'm also glad that I was able to make Ralsei sympathetic in all of this, it was something I thought that I focused too much on but by the looks of it, seems you liked it! Susie too, succeeded in the regard she was meant to be an intimidating force throughout the video also I guess and Jevil took more of a backseat here like you mentioned since I mostly made him a lurking presence in the background who would appear randomly (and whom you've found all of his appearances!) I couldn't really see him taking as big as an active role after ch 1 so I left him at that
To respond to your point about the abort at the end of ch 2, I'll admit it WAS heavily based off of deltatraveler (in fact I made it hot off the heels after finishing the obliteration route which is why there was an influence) maybe if I gave it a week or two I would've come up with more fitting dialogue since as you've said, her just acknowledging everything as a dream does a disservice to the route, however to argue against this I would like to point out that her skittish behaviour would not go unearned here since although never shown in video due to time constraints (I wanted to get this out for the anniversary!) I planned that Susie would start to mellow out during the later half of a pacifist run making quotes like
"* Seeing everyone treat us like heroes, not even running from ME."
"* It, uh, made me realize that there's no reason to keep doing this"
Feel more justified, her reasoning for this being a dream isn't really a literal belief here either and would be moreso her echoing Noelle's sentiments from their ferris wheel scene so to assure herself a bit, but again these never really made it in to justify the disservice so I understand why you may not like this part as much, overall though there'd most likely be a few things that I would change if I were to do this again!
Here are just some other bits and bobs that I wanted to answer:
- The portrait at 1:07:01 was from the hat Ralsei mod which I used to quickly change his ch 1 sprites into ch 2 (but maybe you already knew that) I was respriting the custom sprites with my own since I wanted to try my hand at creating the rest, but it looks like I missed one!
- Yeah my style kinda fits into the smoother style, I'm flattered you like it! But I'm also working on making it more rigid to fit into Deltarune's own!
- The new computer Screen saver is meant to make reference to the DevilsBuster attack, the 'screensaver with red particles' make reference to how enemies disintegrate into red particles once hit, it's similar to the other computer where it displays a blue crashed screen which is supposed to make reference to Noelle's ice magic!
@@JQR. don’t worry about taking too long, it’s all cool. As Ralsei says “you don’t have to do everything at once”. Btw Mr Frogs channel thingy is @mrfrog0913 so there’s that. I’m on mobile so I can’t like idk copy paste a link since I don’t have access to an internet bar lol, hope that helps.
Yeah I saw people and even Napoleon himself say how the monster kid/teen scenes were too “edgy”, far out, and whatnot. Of course, good on you for always seeing ways to improve, but I just wanted to really let you know that I enjoyed those a lot, and some others did too! Uncharacteristic for Kris? Sure… but I personally like seeing Kris be, well, affected by what can happen, it’s why I loved your rendition of Salt Route so much. Well, Susie with Jevil’s presence following her (and helping her learning capabilities lol, I think that’s important and funny too) is a good reason for why Susie would be more attentive and know that Jevil might be the brand new knife she has, but that second MK scene will work without the knife, it’s a bonus.
Ah! Debates about the abort! Lol. Not really that serious hehe. Ok, Susie becoming less violent during pacifist chapter 2 would make the abort work better, I see that. Time constraints really do number on ya. Although… I think using that dream sentiment by itself still wouldn’t work well as Susie (to me) is too blunt for such phrase to work, but to go along with Susie just echoing that phrase bcuz of Noelle, I think Susie saying something like “She’s lucky” to herself after saying that dream assurance would show that Susie really is just echoing a blissful solution that she made for Noelle.
Oh yeah, I saw that the one Ralsei face was from the hat Ralsei mod, still cute. The screen savor meaning is cool, being the red particles of devils buster and of the disintegrated enemies. I think someone else said that too, but still so strange and, to me, always brings up mentions of Spamton Neo. Also, the original blue screen crash being a reference to Noelle’s ice magic? Huh, the blue screen to me was more like a nod to its real counterpart and to how the cyber world is broken from freezing people and Spamton taking over, makes sense, computer crashing from spam overload lol. Thanks again, keep being a kool dude
alright i love the idea of susie actually being a better healer as part of being more powerful in general that's pretty cool
I just realized that Alphys was nervous when she said she’s “the cool teacher” here, as opposed to the actual game where iirc she has a more jokingly laid back expression
It's weird how Susie threatened monster kid instead of snowy I guesd.
Yo, seeing Noelle’s reaction to what you said about her “dream” without Susie interrupting… that scene sent chills…!
AND RALSEI! I mean I get Ralsei is a cute, nervous, wholesome, goat boi, but seeing the genuine fear and sadness he was feeling! Even though you already know what’s going on, that fear ,uneasiness, and sadness coming from Ralsei gets sent right to you!
Also, the fact that Ralsei’s not even sure what to do with Susie’s room anymore genuinely hurts.
THIS FR NEEDS TO BE A FANGAME RN.
:)
UndertaleModTool devs, please update it so I can mod Deltarune.
@@legendgames128 They've been making improvements to it, I haven't had much problems with modding Chapter 2 of Deltarune for a while. The latest version on GitHub is the "Bleeding Edge" one.
@@EP1CxEMAN08 Cool to know! Musta been slightly out of date.
42:58 And just like that, Kris is without a weapon of mass destruction and must find a new one...
Well, luckily, a deer is there
Not Kris... US... I actually feel like they are relieved Susie's away... Too bad...
In all honesty, I think I would’ve preferred having Ralsei stay in his shadowy appearance until later chapters. I would’ve loved to see the fandom stick a corkscrew in their brains coming up with wacky theories and AUs.
Seam... you refuse to talk about shadow crystals now?
1:16:09 "QUIT IT, [Rude buster]"
"SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU [[In the cold oh cold days]] ANYMORE!"
1:16:24
"YOU THINK SHE WILL [[Build a rescue helicopter]] FOR [[You, my dear friend.]]?"
"GET LOST, YOUR [[FATALLITY]] HAS COME TO AN END WITH [Betrayal ending]
1:16:39
"YOUR VOICE IS [[Shrinking]] AND [[Shrinking]] IT'S NO USE"
"NO USE"
"MY [[Defense]] IS [[two towers]] HIGHER THAN [The entire dark world residence]"
"WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE WILL DO?"
"MAKE A [[Popsicle]] AND SLICE ME IN HALF?"
and that plot twist at 1:17:59 THAT RIGHT THERE IS PERFECTION, THE FACT THAT HE SURVIVED SUSIE'S DEVIL BUSTER AND YEETED THE SOUL MAN.