Going from Fanatec CSL DD to Fanatec Clubsport DD - Worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- If you've squeezed every last drop from your CSL DD, you might be eyeing up the Clubsport DD as the natural next step. In this video I go over what to expect from it, and some things you should hear before you make that decision.
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0:00 The Intro
1:26 The Good
7:35 The Bad
14:13 If Not, Then What?
15:26 The Summary 
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T 150 to 8nm DD was the plan.
T 150 to 12nm DD is the plan now. Thanks
Just go straight to 15nm CS+
Bought my DD Pro for GT7. Got the CSL pedals (loadcell brake) and the McLaren GT3 V2 wheel back in 2022.
Never had any issues with it. Setup was easy, tweaked the settings, and I was off to the races.
I hate that others aren’t so lucky and have to wait for weeks to get a response.
Weeks? Try months of no response, no product, no way to contact the company (disconnected phone numbers and live chat), ZERO customer service. Dealing with Fanatec is throwing your money down a hole and hoping something might come out. If it does, great, if not, you are screwed and have no recourse. It seems the lack of customer service is by design, and they may be getting ready to execute a pump and dump scheme to generate profits for a few at the expense of customers and former investors. How can a company be so terrible at customer relations by accident?
@jakob Couldn’t agreed more with you! My experience with Fanatec was great always! I both 2 times whole set up, and then returned to Fanatec after using it for month. ( I didn’t returned because something was wrong with the items, it was just because I didn’t had enough space to keep whole rig in my living room) They always take the return and refund my purchase. This time I both my set which I will keep it! FFB on DD+ is amazing! In combo with Playseat Trophy ( compact and nice looking rig which I can slide to the side after racing season ) the driving experience blows my mind!
@@DadgoesintoSimRacing How did you get a hold of them to do a return/refund? I am still waiting on a response from a warranty claim for the pedals that stopped working in less than 60 days. You may also have a different experience in EU than North American customers do with the warehouse in Texas. They have been holding my order I paid for in April (now June) and I cannot get any kind of satisfactory response from Fanatec on it. If I could get a refund on my CSL DD bundle and cancel the outstanding order I would switch to another ecosystem that has actual customer service and support and reasonable logistics. The products (when they work) are fine, but the company is terrible.
@@yukonbikerguy ah damn, I feel sorry for you… yeah, it seems like in EU everything works great. In my case whole return process was easy and pleasant. I know that guys in Fanatec had some changes and challenges with moving their warehouse in Texas but of course this should not occur the purchased orders.. I hope they will respond to you asap and you find perfect setup for SimRacing
I was on the first DD+ batch and waited 4 months, but once I got it, I couldnt be happier. No Coil Whine at the start, but now 3 months later I can hear it when putting my ears on the base, so no big issue there. Only thing...end May 2024 now and still waiting for ACC te receive Full Force..
Man I love your reviews, you hit all the points I want to hear and you are extremely easy to listen to
Thanks man, appreciate your generous comment
Good and honest video, much appriciated.
I ordered my CSL clubsport DD on a Sunday. It was at my door on Wednesday the same week. 2.5 business days to my door. USA
I’m 4 months waiting on csl dd and not getting response from them
@@nthey that blows big time!!! I have a CSL DD 8NM and F1 wheel for sale.
@@ntheythat is tragic sorry to hear that. It’s a double whammy with customer service, new orders are received on time but the previous orders before the Corsair process was announced are left in the dust
Upgraded to the Clubsport DD+ from the CSL DD (8nm). It’s worth it, if you can handle the cost. The DD+ is exactly the power you need with almost a little too much, no cog feeling and much smoother.
Ordered the clubsport dd, f1 v2 wheel, v3 pedals and a couple accessories on the 13 of June. Arriving today the 17th. In U.S. Considering the site said 4 to 7 days to process before shipping I'm impressed. Was nervous clicking the submit button for the order after seeing multiple videos and threads about shipping time being crazy. Now just hope everything I ordered is in good shape and working properly out of the box... will know when I get home from work.
I ordered a CS DD+ to replace my CSL DD 8Nm. Was utterly shafted by Fanatec, refunded, lost about 100 euros in the currency conversion, at the loss and ordered an Asetek Invicta + round wheel. Absolutely amazing difference, and I can confirm all you are saying about the CSL DD having tested it now after using my Invicta base for a while. It just feels like there is something missing there. And that super annoying "click" from the QR1 is so distracting once you are used to a proper quick release.
One thing that many reviewers neglect to focus on is that CS DD and CS DD+ are much more powerful then CSL DD. CSL DD is 6nm linear, 8nm peak, while CS DD is 12nm linear so essentially double. I had a chance to upgrade with discount so I did and did not regret it.
I just both DD+. And it is amazing! It’s blow my mind! Waiting time for delivery was only 4 days (from warehouse in Germany to Sweden) great respond from warehouse and I was updated regarding my delivery all the time. I had great experience with Fanatec
The customer service seems to be great for new orders since the process of the Corsair takeover begun but the orders from before are still left in the dust
My buddy got the ClubSport F1 bundle w V2 pedals. We race GT7. He talked me into GT Extreme bundle when we were racing and his pedals failed. Noresponse from any Fanatec channel in 10 dyas, except an email saying they got his email. He is working on just shipping the item back and go from there. Is this a GT7 only issue?
@@averymccuaig8984 not yet.... or at least our experience. Corsair is at a 4 yr low in stock market and loosing market share/flat for 2 years. Wonder if they are the best buyer? it all seems so sketchy.
I had coil whine on my gt dd pro when I got it in Spring 2022. On the fanatec forums there was a firmware for the motor I was able to apply that fixed the issue. Current firmware still hasn’t fixed the whine so I keep my motor on the older version.
4 Fanatec orders so far... DD Pro received on time, Black Friday order received months later but not an issue for me as i wasn't race ready, and my last 2 orders this year came in within 10 days. I'm happy with fanatec so far. Looking to upgrade the 8nm DD to 15nm or higher in the future. PS5/VR2 user
I started in the mid 90s with a Thrustmaster Formula T1. In the early 2000s, life took over and I had about a 20 year hiatus. About 3 years ago I wanted to get back into it, and Fanatec was THE name being thrown around, and I just about bought a used CSL 1.0 or 2.0, but ended up buying a used Thrustmaster T309RS GT with T3PA-Pro pedals. Then I started seeing all the Fanatec posts about issues with customer service, shipping, broken QRs, etc.
I unfortunately don't have a lot of time to put into my rig (which is a complete TM ecosystem.now), and I keep saying if one of our kids move out and I can use a dedicated room, I would have a full motion, with, probably a Moza DD setup, as I just don't have faith that Fanatec will survive the corporate side, even if it is sold to Corsair.
Like you, my first ClubSport DD+ delivered in early March had quite notable coil whine. It took 7 weeks for Fanatec to replace it, and again like you, that replacement has very notable coil whine. Almost 3 months after purchase, I am again going through their RMA procedure. Each email reply from Fanatec support takes between 2 & 3 weeks. Things are not improving, and it is beyond frustrating. The only factor in Fanatec’s favour, is that they do not dispute that the coil whine is a fault, which needs to be addressed.
I agree with your point on the hassle in changing out quite an extensive Fanatec setup, and for now I am sticking with it, and the DD Pro. But as things stand, I could not recommend anyone starting out to use Fanatec.
Your better off with a repair and a replacement could be very same as u have seen. My repair was 100% successful.
Thanks, that was what I was hoping for because of that very reason. Fanatec support collected it and advised it would be shipped to their UK service centre for a repair. The next info I got was that a new unit had been sent out from Germany. I really do hope they do the repair this time, but effective communication with the 2-3 week delay for each response from them is almost impossible. Glad to hear your unit is all good now 👍
@@paulsimmers7550it’s a better option as at least u know it’s tested by them in Germany before sent back. It’s a simple pcb board swap out.
The units we all get new come to them from china and not checked. So a replacement it’s a gamble.
That’s good to know, thanks
Upgraded my gt dd pro 8nm to cs dd +. Love it so far.
I had mild coil whine but it’s been repaired. Took around 20 days in total.
In regards orders I just ordered a qr2 pro took 8 working days to receive In Ireland.
Is there a big difference between both of them?
@@cocodabricot3251yes absolutely. It’s not just the nm it’s just more torque feels way better. The dd pro feels numb on the straights. This is more connected.
do you have to pay import fees or transaction fees etc? Can you put an order in for me any way and I come grab it? lol might save me some money and get to go to ireland
Things seem to be improving at Fanatec 🤞I placed an order on 24th May, received it today, 6 days turnaround to the UK.
I ordered mines on the same day still hasn’t left the warehouse yet I’m so jealous rn
@@michaelwiggins1306 what did you order?
what payment method did you use and how much extra did they charge on transaction fee? Thinking of using one of those foreign money travel banks to send it over to them via prepayment, or is it better to just use one of my banks?
I did order the f1 bundle yesterday.... fingers crossed when it will be delivered in the Netherlands. When ordering the site did state 4-7 business days..... Lets see
I got the f1 bundle a month ago, also in the Netherlands, got to me in 10 days. The 4-7 days is for when they start the shipping process, which for me was on the 7th day. Took a few days more because i ordered it on saturday. One thing that i can say is that i love it and for me it was a huge upgrade from the CSL DD 8NM! Have fun when yours gets to you!
@@delil1985 Thnx, for me it is an upgrade from a thrustmaser TX so it should be a massive world of difference.
Die DD+ is een monster, komend van een DD Pro..in gewicht en FFB. Blij mee, ondanks alleen Ps5 gebruiker
I'm new to all this. I will take your recommendation and go with Asetek La Prima.
Watch my review on the La Prima first, there's deffo things to know!
Read the comment 2 below yours about problems lol
My Black Friday purchase did takes months to receive.. 👎
I ordered my DD+ on a Sunday. It was at delivered on Wednesday the same week 2.5 business days in The Netherlands.👍
went from gt dd pro to dd+ and the diffrence is massive, even under 8nm i still feel so much more and no longer any delay or cut ion the feedback! would by again
That’s what I’m considering but how long did it take me where are you?
@@TomTheSurgen1 how long it took me from ordering to getting it? i preordered it in october 2023 and then cancelled it in january. then i rodered it again in february or whenever it came out properly and it took 1 week for it to get in my hands
@@henlienr22 not bad, what country?
@justwilson I ordered from German warehouse to Sweden. I got it in 4 days whole set up (base,wheel,pedals,shifter and handbrake) great response from warehouse
@@JustWilson i live in norway. were not part of the eu so 1 week is fast from germany :)
I just got the 15mn unit, having a hard time getting it to feel rigth, I'm a sucker who always used other peoples settings but no one is releasing base line settings for the clubsport dd's.
I live in Germany, I orderd a CS dd and V3 Pedals two Saturdays ago and recieved them on the following Wednesday. Can´t say anything about coil whine, because I haven´t turned it on yet. Instead, I´m still waiting for my GT Omega rig to arrive, which I ordered on the same day and is being shipped from Glasgow, UPS keeps delaying the delivery, grr.
I have coil whine on the Moza R12. It is barely audible at my normal racing positioin but when I lean over the base, it is audible. Sounds about as bad as rustling leaves in the wind. I got used to it pretty quickly and in a race I cant hear it. I also got some small USB fans and they are way louder than the whine when running. So, meh :)
Can you use your old CSL DD Pedals with the Clubsport or do you need to buy new ones?
You can use whatever pedals you got with the CSL DD.
What is your monitor model?
I had my csl dd clip for the 1st time yesterday on Imola, in the GT2 Ferrari on ACC.
I have 8nm and gain set in game to 70% and still had it go completely limp for a moment.
Never understood what clipping felt like before it happened yesterday.
I do think 12nm is what I keed for AC and ACC.
Dont need more. In fact I probably only need 10nm of it
Hi Danny got the Asetek la prime abd had a problem with it cutting on . Set an email to them 1 day later was asked to send file log 1 day later they are sending me a new power supply 3 days later in me house done 5 days done .
I may jump out of GT7 just for their system... Worth it just to have more options too
Thanks for that. I'm in Northern Ireland and Fanatec's service over the phone, email and delivery has been great, several times. I said to them even with all the new companies I was going to stick with them, which I am doing. I spend my money on home energy 'self catering' nowadays with Virpil flight joysticks and WinWing Skywalker pedals to last me for many years. I would like to change to Clubsport but I won't use the terms upgrade or invest. We just want the next new thing, a change for changes sake. Are things so much better or is it really just a new feeling? Lump of butter person, try guessing the winners to bet on in a sport/event you know nothing about - you might find you predict the winners rather well. For every negative there is a positive. Cool article. I liked your style.
what is your monitor modal?
is QR1 what will be on my 2 wheels that go on my csl elite? the have pins.
Definitely QR1 - the CSL Elite wheelbase cannot support QR2 so your existing wheels will need upgrading with QR2 'Wheel Side' attachments. The QR1 is round, whereas the QR2 is more of a square or box.
Sorry to correct you but your info about the QR2 lite limiting the use of high torque on the Clubsport DD or DD+ is incorrect. It will only limit the use of high torque on the Podium bases.
Cheers
I believe it limits it to only 8nm. Source- their site.
You're totally welcome, I encourage questioning (as it's usually when I find out I'm wrong about something) but if that is indeed true then Fanatec's own info needs to be updated.
Fanatec's QR2 Lite page doesn't say anything about it, but the Clubsport DD page says, in the Special Notes, "Steering Wheels fitted with QR1 Lite Wheel-Side or QR2 Lite Wheel-Side will be limited to 8 Nm torque."
Momorious also commented this 6 months ago, so I initially wondered if this info is outdated but the official site also maintains it - www.reddit.com/r/Fanatec/comments/186tpvw/comment/kbanbf8/?
For the record I totally believe the QR2 can happily handle 12nm if it was unlocked, but they probably have no way to differentiate whether a QR1 Lite or QR2 Lite is attached so they just have to limit all lites to 8nm for now.
Strange though, no one I know, run there more than 6 to 8nm. Guys using the podium don't even run close to max torque values.
how is it compare to r12 ?
please help
i am thinking of getting the csl dd bundle, do i need to add anything else into my cart as i will be racing on pc? thank
Nope, it will work on PC without any trouble, and the bundles already include everything necessary. If you are planning to use it on a desk then you'll need to add a table clamp as the CSL DD doesn't come with anything to clamp it to a desk, but if you're using it on a wheel stand or cockpit then you don't need it. If you need a wheelstand or cockpit then GT Omega are my favourite and are also on the cheaper side, you'll find a link to them in the video description along with a discount code.
Danny, you never mentioned the biscuit holders 😅
What about going from a DD1 to cs dd+?
Personally I believe there's more and smoother FFB detail, and a significantly more responsive than the DD1 & GT DD Pro whilst catching slides, possibly due to the marketed class leading slew rate or the better level of FFB detail? Only issues I had was due to earlier firmware causing disconnections, but now been resolved with driver 457. Only major gripe till a newer driver is released to resolve, is with tge Rally Module, numerous differing unique issues per game, and with the Endurance Module X or □ issues per game. Hopefully will be resolved soon, despite known issue to be resolved after 6 months!
so i bought the csl dd just recently along with the mclaren gt3 wheel and the csl pedals, how long would shipping be if it is slow right now?
If you're in the UK, I'd be telling you about a month. I literally just received a parcel yesterday which took 17 business days to get to me, as described in the video, that's not far off a full month
dang thats quite a while, and i would imagine it would be longer for the U.S. if they are based in the UK, as im in the U.S.
US deliveries seem to be MUCH quicker based on what I’ve seen on Reddit. Issue seems to be with European warehouse distribution only.
It took about 14 days for my loadcell pedal to arrive last month (UK delivery)
ok i hope its quicker, and that sucks how long it takes
My experience? I ordered in January. It's now the end of May and I haven't even received a shipping confirmation. Fanatec "accidentally" sold more product than they had in stock. and I've been on the receiving end of that incompetence. Avoid at all costs. I am in the US by the way.
I will find out on May 31st whether they're going to be shipping me anything or if I've got to send another nastygram.
What monitor is mounted your rig ?
That's a Samsung odyssey G5 1
34" 1000R
Why is no one talking about Fanatec's FB status 2 days ago? It said something like "we need to talk..." I definitely know others saw it because it had a few comments before they took it down moments later. Did anyone screenshot or know what they mean?
Fanatec DD+took so long I cancelled my order and went SIMAGIC ALPHA + GT NEO…..
I sold my original csl 8nm DD AND then fanatec went downhill
I barely use 60% of ffb in linear mode (6nm)...
Very normal, with time u might increase it a little. Nobody runs their bases at 100% because of clipping.
@@filipivan5125 I've been using my wheelbase for like 2 years at this point.
I heard that higher nm is unrealistic. Newer cars have power steering and the older vitage models would need higher nm for realism.
1:41 wait, WTF - I must have missed this one, LOL.
Anyway regarding coil whine - it's normal and harmless, and I don't even find it irritating in the slightest, but then again I grew up with CRT televisions and monitors, which could hiss and buzz with high frequencies, and I was well into my thirties before LCD displays became the norm.
In fact I would go as far to say that those Fanatec owners complaining and returning their units because of it are very much part of the issue with the long RMA times.
I also grew up with CRT etc and id return it too why would i want that if its annoying when most other devices dont have it nowadays.
Fanatec needs to release some better pedals. That would be a huge boost for them.
I’m a fanatec base and wheel guy but I upgraded pedals from the V3 and will not go back until they release some excellent pedals. They are WAY behind other brands.
They are behind in every category
Danny I know u wanna send me a csl dd 🎉
Fanatec conquer the world
my step up was from nothing to g29 hahahah
Coil wine caused by your setup
went from cs DD 8nm had terrible experience and overall poor build quality to simagic alpha night and day difference
Why would anyone in there right frame mind buy fanatec equipment there basically shut down😮👏👏
Well I guess I have noodle arms , for the better I say.
Its very simple right now.
Fanatec = avoid until acquisition is complete.
Lol no purchase of fanatec is worth it.
Who's buying Fanatec in 2024? 🤢
Me 😂
Me!!!! 3 Orders and every order was fast delivered
Shipping isn't the problem, it's the after sales support. Just hope you never have any issues with it.
@@brentonedwards yeah, I heard a lot of stories unfortunately, but inside EU everything seems to work perfectly. I wish Fanatec will fix their support outside UE as well as there’s way too many SimRacing colleagues struggling with Fanatec… I took the risk and we will see what future brings ;)
@20Boyka good luck, fanatec is a sinking ship!!
I have multiple fanatec wheelbases and rims, gonna sell and get something else from a better company, haven't had a firmware or driver update in AGES!
speech therapy will fix your lisp. it fixed mine
I ordered my CSL clubsport DD on a Sunday. It was at my door on Wednesday the same week. 2.5 business days to my door. USA