He was great in Hawaii...I miss him here, Our new coach changed us sooo much....its basically a new team, with new uniforms and everything. He is the MASTER of the Run and shoot!!!
If the 2 receiver cannot get off the ball, it's because the CB is solely focused on taking him out of the play. This means the quick out will be open because no one is supposed to account for that underneath area besides that CB. Also, the outside slot receiver is supposed to run a seam read, so if it's a 2 deep, he'll run a post. In Tampa 2, we treat it as a 2 and tell the QB to read the CB. The CB can only take 1 of those 2 out of the play at a time (think of the TOG concept)
Jones took SMU to their first bowl win in like 20 years... always loved watching this offense even in the early 90's when Detroit, Houston, and Atlanta used it in the NFL.
it wasn't run correctly...which is why it did not last. In Glen n Ellison's run-and-shoot...they emphasized the running game with counters, traps, and draw plays. In the NFL, they mainly ran draw plays with Barry Sanders. Also, the Wing Backs in the offense were basically receiving TEs. In the NFL, all 4 were WRs...which isn't the same atr all. TEs can block much better than a WR in running plays.
plus the run-and-shoot was about DECEPTION. A shotgun screams PASS. The run-and-shoot used motion on either side of the field, and you couldn't tell if a play was a run or pass until the ball left the QBs hands.
i used to use hawaii on ncaa ps2. it was tight i pretty much did the same thing adjusting routes according to the defense in doing that you can move the ball through the air.
@@thomasalexander2108 the 1995 falcons defense was easily one of the worst in the league, and if I remember correctly they set records for giving up pass yards.Shows you how effective that offense is
As much as I don't like the run n shoot either I'm more of a power run guy, wishbone, and wing T... I don't think the offense sucks. When you have the right players when you have the right philosophy it can be as deadly as the next offense. I live in Hawaii and boy was it exciting when June got all of his own recruits in and it was a great product to watch on the field, the run n shoot is a great offense to sell to people who don't usually watch football, a lot of scoring, a lot of long passes.
the names that we give the offenses are just made up. Spreading the ball with the threat of the run if the defense is light in the box is alive and well in the NFL, and most of the passing concepts are in the playbooks. No offense is a gimmick, no offense is legit, everyone just looks for what works for their team at the time, and what they know.
@@dwightlove3704 They're both pass heavy spread offenses. The Run and Shoot uses option routes and attacks seams. The Air Raid attacks areas of the field with meshes and levels in the middle and crossing routes on the edges.
@@chomppig There is a school called Southeastern Louisiana and they are using the Run-N-Shoot as a basic offense they will be in the FCS playoffs this weekend vs Florida A&M which has two DBs that are among the nation's leaders in Interceptions BJ BOHLER&JAVAN MORGAN.
cheyney: I coach this offense in high school. In the traditional case of the cover 2, certainly the press man, the corners are rolled up before the snap. We tell our quarterback to read the play "outside to in" meaning we tell him to look at the Z first. If he has trouble getting a clean release and if it's press man, we tell the slot that's running the quick out to run his route at an angle that can most likely cause his defender to get caught in traffic between the 2 and the defender over him.
Like to see this offeense ran, Philly special down on 10 yard line, qb sneak, bring fb like alstot, hb pass, no huddle i would use all this in hs, college, nfl
His offenses at Hawaii were definitely legendary but a powerhouse? Nationally, maybe that's a stretch. In the conference they were in, they definitely were. Ask anyone who played and coached against Hawaii under June Jones and they'd likely tell you Hawaii's offense was the one they hated defending against the most.
@@davidg1612 The thing with June Jones is he was a mastermind. He knew they couldn't get the top recruits but he got players that were overlooked and specifically for his offense and that right there enabled him his offenses the success they had.
Ever since JJ returned to UHawaii in 1999, he already had the foundational elements to intergrate/revive Run & Shoot. It's what enabled him to go from Zero wins in 1998 to 9W's in 1999. It's also what enabled the 2000 Warrior team to rollover BYU 72-45 in season finale & send Cougars home 12-1. MEMORABLE game! Full game is in RUclips archives, just need to SEARCH!
You know, I'm not entirely sure. I'd love to find out, and if Leach did something with ESPN like Jones did a few months ago, it could shed some light on it. What's weird is that while I get what makes June Jones' offense tick, I still don't have a 100% grasp on Leach's offense.
Hey I have a question to anyone knows the seam read concept of this play well. When defenders drop against the man running the seam, when does the man know when to button hook and when to square in? I have looked everywhere and cannot find the key that determines this.
Seam Read 1) Safety cross your face you cross him on post. But if he crosses your face going to the middle of field keep straight up the field. 2) He drops you stop and make in cut i.e. dig route to open window to QB. 3) Safety even i.e. flat footed you're leaving streak.
+jeoh93 spread offense is a blanket term but generally you are spread to run or "Spread to pass", this would be an example of "spread to pass" i.e. an air raid offense or the run n shoot. Keep in mind the seam read is only a concept and the spread to run teams can still run a version of it in their drop back pass package
You didn't give shit. That offense got exposed in a hurry at the pro level when you had a cadre of corners who could jam at the line and pass rushers who get to the QB in a hurry.
@@RavishingBeyond Ask Kansas City about this offense when they faced The Houston Oilers.Warren Moon on 12-26-90 went ballistic throwing for a career high 527 yds with a final score of 27-10 really it should have been 54-10!!!!!!
@@dwightlove3704 How many pro teams are using the run and shoot these days? It's a gimmick offense. It absolutely sucks in the red zone and for milking the clock with a lead too.
@@RavishingBeyond Teams in the NFL might not use it as a whole but they use formations that had the influence of the RUN-N-SHOOT ask the '99 Rams The Greatest Show On Turf.
No, there are similarities, but the Leach system is based on the Mumme spread If you put a TTU player in the run and shoot or vice versa, they'd be totally lost
what I learned is to send someone in motion to see if they are playing a man or zone ....then you can send him back if you want .....and they struggle in the spread because most of the reading is done before the snap ....and its much easier when you see the defense from far away and spread out .....says my computer game ....
Buddy Ryan solved that shitty offense in a hurry. Press coverage with a nickel or dime base defense and dial up the blitz. No tight end working the middle of the field? Great. Send that linebacker into the backfield too.
Dick LeBeau too. There was a resurgence in NFL Offensive Units using it in the late 1990's through mid-2000's. Dick LeBeau and that 1-Gap, 3-4 Zone Blitz Defense snuffed it out pretty good.
@@josephruiz7233 A 3-4 isn't quite as effective IMO because a 4-3 provides a more stout pass rush against a passing game. Remember now, a 3-4 has a heavy NT who is there to clog the middle and disrupt the run, supplemented by relatively small, quick DE and LB. The Run n Shoot is heavy on the passing game, and there's no TE or FB to worry about. A huge DT is therefore unnecessary. With a 4-3, there are four horses going after that QB. A base nickel or dime makes sense to cover all those receivers. 4 LB isn't quite as effective IMO. But anyway, there's a reason that offense died-- it just doesn't work as your base.
@Jory Folker I don't know where, how, or why you took my point and walked it down that path. First, the Buddy Ryan 46 was a much more blitzy defense. Those Eagles corners were always on an island. You do realize Wade Phillips was Buddy's DC in Philly right? Anyway, I'm not a fan of the 3-4 because you're swapping out size on the edge for a big NT in the middle. Since nobody runs the ball like they did back then, a big NT is a dinosaur. Small, fast 3-4 outside LBs don't do so well as pass rushers against 320-lb tackles with quick feet. Sure, Micah Parsons looks sexy right now, but that shit will wear him down real quick. A big offensive line wears down a 3-4, period. We can argue it until the cows come home. I'm a 4-3 guy who believes in lockdown corners and sending the house.
@Jory Folker We're gonna have to disagree. A 3-4 NT is always going to be a bigger man than a 4-3 DT. And the reason for a 3-4 alignment is to have greater flexibility in disguising who you're sending. If you don't have a stud OLB like Lawrence Taylor, Matt Judon, etc. it's just not worth playing it. Give me an extra 30-60lb of meat on a 4-3 DE instead.
The run and shoot qb's struggle becuase in the pro style offense you need to read coverages, know man or zone,who is coming, what protection to add, if you need a hot route, all within 18 seconds before the snap, then they need to go through their progression from x,y,z, etc. The run and shoot is snap the ball amd throw to the open receiver. It boils everything the pro does into a scheme for a qb to just read and react. It works against college teams with less talent but you take that to a top 10 team with talent and a decent coach and they can force you to change your game plan really quick. It takes years of practice to get the NFL pro style offense down. Thats why Tebow wasnt successful.
It's funny to read this junk and u can look at a hundred offenses around the NFL and college and it's all the same garbage..the most successful coaches have organization, they carefully evaluate players into the scheme based on skills, and mental makeup and attitude..u keep the playbook simple, require players to memorize it, and execute to perfection..same on the defensive side..the reason so many coaches blow is they don't have the skills to manage everything and get too immersed in minutiae..make sure players can catch, hold on and not fumble, don't tolerate screw ups, ur kicker and punter are excellent at all phases and are players as well..manage it down to every last detail..too many coaches are in some turmoil with staff.. that would be automatically a suspension if a coordinator or coach undermined me or disrespected me..they would be left at home or the office and players in trouble would sit..no stupid stunts on the field.. discipline and respect.. including coaches..allow freedom and empower ur team..but stop with the idiocy of overthinking what is essentially a morons game
This objectively isn't the case. Maybe in high school, sure. In college/pros the talent gap isn't that significant and the fundamentals are drilled in fairly well. Teams that take care of the high-level functions are the ones that succeed because they find an edge and exploit it. Now if you're comparing teams like Georgia and Georgia State, sure, there is a big gap, but between peers, scheme will make the difference. In college you need a HC that understands the game at a high level and can implement an offense that players a) have fun in and b) put them in the best positions to score. My favorite example is in the MAC, where the talent is almost completely even. An offensive guru like Dino Babers or Sean Lewis can waltz in and rocket to the top of the standings after spending a year in the dumps basically by scheme alone. Art Briles turned around Baylor again, by scheme alone. The coaches that tend to get wiped out are former players, rah-rah defensive coordinators, disciplinarians, and people with no charisma that can't recruit. Because they may have been able to slip by like that in the 1980s, but almost every coaching staff in the country has borrowed concepts from run-n-shoot, air raid, misdirection, and option style offenses.
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He was great in Hawaii...I miss him here, Our new coach changed us sooo much....its basically a new team, with new uniforms and everything. He is the MASTER of the Run and shoot!!!
What has your coach done has he changed to a conservative offense???
If the 2 receiver cannot get off the ball, it's because the CB is solely focused on taking him out of the play. This means the quick out will be open because no one is supposed to account for that underneath area besides that CB. Also, the outside slot receiver is supposed to run a seam read, so if it's a 2 deep, he'll run a post. In Tampa 2, we treat it as a 2 and tell the QB to read the CB. The CB can only take 1 of those 2 out of the play at a time (think of the TOG concept)
it should be called the "fuck it" offense lol
@hokiebird295 yeah it is the spread, the formation is the spread but the passing routes and concepts is whats the run n shoot
Jones took SMU to their first bowl win in like 20 years... always loved watching this offense even in the early 90's when Detroit, Houston, and Atlanta used it in the NFL.
it wasn't run correctly...which is why it did not last.
In Glen n Ellison's run-and-shoot...they emphasized the running game with counters, traps, and draw plays.
In the NFL, they mainly ran draw plays with Barry Sanders.
Also, the Wing Backs in the offense were basically receiving TEs. In the NFL, all 4 were WRs...which isn't the same atr all. TEs can block much better than a WR in running plays.
plus the run-and-shoot was about DECEPTION. A shotgun screams PASS.
The run-and-shoot used motion on either side of the field, and you couldn't tell if a play was a run or pass until the ball left the QBs hands.
i used to use hawaii on ncaa ps2. it was tight i pretty much did the same thing adjusting routes according to the defense in doing that you can move the ball through the air.
Thank you for this video.
Clue: The Atlanta Falcons were the 1st team in NFL History to have 4 one thousand yard players (excluding the QB). They did it using the RnS. #FACT.
How many W did they have that season ?
Tim Hurst lol
Tim Hurst 1995, they made the playoffs at 9-7 but lost Green Bay in the wildcard. (Just looked it up lol)
The defense wasn't the best that year but the offense was nice.
@@thomasalexander2108 the 1995 falcons defense was easily one of the worst in the league, and if I remember correctly they set records for giving up pass yards.Shows you how effective that offense is
As much as I don't like the run n shoot either I'm more of a power run guy, wishbone, and wing T... I don't think the offense sucks. When you have the right players when you have the right philosophy it can be as deadly as the next offense. I live in Hawaii and boy was it exciting when June got all of his own recruits in and it was a great product to watch on the field, the run n shoot is a great offense to sell to people who don't usually watch football, a lot of scoring, a lot of long passes.
That is one hell of a complicated system for the QB and wideouts.
The QB&WRs must be on the same wavelength at all times
the names that we give the offenses are just made up. Spreading the ball with the threat of the run if the defense is light in the box is alive and well in the NFL, and most of the passing concepts are in the playbooks. No offense is a gimmick, no offense is legit, everyone just looks for what works for their team at the time, and what they know.
@@quinnschroetlin We’ve evolved to match up football.
@SaturdaySoundOffsTV Leach's offense is called The Air Raid offense. Its not quite the same as the run and shoot.
What is the difference between the AIR RAID AND RUN-N-SHOOT????
@@dwightlove3704 They're both pass heavy spread offenses. The Run and Shoot uses option routes and attacks seams. The Air Raid attacks areas of the field with meshes and levels in the middle and crossing routes on the edges.
@@chomppig Okay thanks I thought that the Air Raid copied some of its concepts from the Run-N-Shoot.
@@chomppig There is a school called Southeastern Louisiana and they are using the Run-N-Shoot as a basic offense they will be in the FCS playoffs this weekend vs Florida A&M which has two DBs that are among the nation's leaders in Interceptions BJ BOHLER&JAVAN MORGAN.
cheyney: I coach this offense in high school. In the traditional case of the cover 2, certainly the press man, the corners are rolled up before the snap. We tell our quarterback to read the play "outside to in" meaning we tell him to look at the Z first. If he has trouble getting a clean release and if it's press man, we tell the slot that's running the quick out to run his route at an angle that can most likely cause his defender to get caught in traffic between the 2 and the defender over him.
Are You still coaching?
Like to see this offeense ran, Philly special down on 10 yard line, qb sneak, bring fb like alstot, hb pass, no huddle i would use all this in hs, college, nfl
@dal4018
No doubt June Jones is a quality coach but to call Hawaii a powerhouse is a bit overboard wouldn't you say?
His offenses at Hawaii were definitely legendary but a powerhouse? Nationally, maybe that's a stretch. In the conference they were in, they definitely were. Ask anyone who played and coached against Hawaii under June Jones and they'd likely tell you Hawaii's offense was the one they hated defending against the most.
Crimson Cuda I didn't call Hawaii a powerhouse while Jones was running the show but he put that school on the map.
@@davidg1612 The thing with June Jones is he was a mastermind. He knew they couldn't get the top recruits but he got players that were overlooked and specifically for his offense and that right there enabled him his offenses the success they had.
I wonder if other head coaches come here and gameplan from this very video at the time it was posted to get a defensive gameplan against smu
He is hopefully coming home too Hawaii🤙🏽🤙🏽 Bring coach Jones back please…
Well that didn't go the way you hoped
@RandomStuffandJunk Leach's Offense is the Air Raid. It's very similar, but not the same.
@CrimsonCuda I think Hawaii was certainly a powerhouse in Jones' last season there.
Ever since JJ returned to UHawaii in 1999, he already had the foundational elements to intergrate/revive Run & Shoot. It's what enabled him to go from Zero wins in 1998 to 9W's in 1999. It's also what enabled the 2000 Warrior team to rollover BYU 72-45 in season finale & send Cougars home 12-1. MEMORABLE game! Full game is in RUclips archives, just need to SEARCH!
You know, I'm not entirely sure. I'd love to find out, and if Leach did something with ESPN like Jones did a few months ago, it could shed some light on it. What's weird is that while I get what makes June Jones' offense tick, I still don't have a 100% grasp on Leach's offense.
@SaturdaySoundOffsTV They run what's called an "Air Raid" OKST, WVU, and Houston run these along with TTU. SMU is different than this.
@SaturdaySoundOffsTV mike linch runs air ride.... its different
Hey I have a question to anyone knows the seam read concept of this play well. When defenders drop against the man running the seam, when does the man know when to button hook and when to square in? I have looked everywhere and cannot find the key that determines this.
Seam Read
1) Safety cross your face you cross him on post. But if he crosses your face going to the middle of field keep straight up the field.
2) He drops you stop and make in cut i.e. dig route to open window to QB.
3) Safety even i.e. flat footed you're leaving streak.
At 7 yards he knows what's happening, at 10 he knows what he will do.
what's the difference between this and a spread offense?
+jeoh93 Nothing...neither is the west coast offense...it's ALL the exact same thing!
+jeoh93 spread offense is a blanket term but generally you are spread to run or "Spread to pass", this would be an example of "spread to pass" i.e. an air raid offense or the run n shoot. Keep in mind the seam read is only a concept and the spread to run teams can still run a version of it in their drop back pass package
Spread Offense was more run-first oriented O. R&S/Air Raid is pass on 1st, 2nd & 3rd downs....
The run and shoot focuses on the wide receivers having dynamic routes. Meaning that they are reading the defense and adjusting their routes mid play.
This is a read and react offense. This doesn't require the same level of talent to run.
SMU all day!
he returned last month lol
We gave teams fits with the run&shoot!
You literally can't defend it like the option. Plays are called based on how the defense is lined-up. I loved it!
You didn't give shit. That offense got exposed in a hurry at the pro level when you had a cadre of corners who could jam at the line and pass rushers who get to the QB in a hurry.
@@RavishingBeyond Ask Kansas City about this offense when they faced The Houston Oilers.Warren Moon on 12-26-90 went ballistic throwing for a career high 527 yds with a final score of 27-10 really it should have been 54-10!!!!!!
@@dwightlove3704 How many pro teams are using the run and shoot these days? It's a gimmick offense. It absolutely sucks in the red zone and for milking the clock with a lead too.
@@RavishingBeyond Teams in the NFL might not use it as a whole but they use formations that had the influence of the RUN-N-SHOOT ask the '99 Rams The Greatest Show On Turf.
@seanman70 no its not
No, there are similarities, but the Leach system is based on the Mumme spread
If you put a TTU player in the run and shoot or vice versa, they'd be totally lost
Why would a player from TX Tech be lost in the Run-N-Shoot the Air Raid copies from this offense.
Jay Cutler would fit perfectly in that offense!!!!!
@RandomStuffandJunk IIm pretty sure that Texas Tech runs the Air Raid offense
i hope
The records and what not are irrelevant to the question. He simply wants to know.
june jones will return to hawaii in about 3 years
Air raid use more sets than the Run and Shoot and less set plays than the run and shoot.
what I learned is to send someone in motion to see if they are playing a man or zone ....then you can send him back if you want .....and they struggle in the spread because most of the reading is done before the snap ....and its much easier when you see the defense from far away and spread out .....says my computer game ....
If that's what you see... You need glasses.
@nykia31 oooooooooooo ok thanks
its the algorithm
Buddy Ryan solved that shitty offense in a hurry. Press coverage with a nickel or dime base defense and dial up the blitz. No tight end working the middle of the field? Great. Send that linebacker into the backfield too.
Dick LeBeau too. There was a resurgence in NFL Offensive Units using it in the late 1990's through mid-2000's.
Dick LeBeau and that 1-Gap, 3-4 Zone Blitz Defense snuffed it out pretty good.
@@josephruiz7233 A 3-4 isn't quite as effective IMO because a 4-3 provides a more stout pass rush against a passing game. Remember now, a 3-4 has a heavy NT who is there to clog the middle and disrupt the run, supplemented by relatively small, quick DE and LB. The Run n Shoot is heavy on the passing game, and there's no TE or FB to worry about. A huge DT is therefore unnecessary. With a 4-3, there are four horses going after that QB. A base nickel or dime makes sense to cover all those receivers. 4 LB isn't quite as effective IMO. But anyway, there's a reason that offense died-- it just doesn't work as your base.
@Jory Folker I don't know where, how, or why you took my point and walked it down that path. First, the Buddy Ryan 46 was a much more blitzy defense. Those Eagles corners were always on an island. You do realize Wade Phillips was Buddy's DC in Philly right? Anyway, I'm not a fan of the 3-4 because you're swapping out size on the edge for a big NT in the middle. Since nobody runs the ball like they did back then, a big NT is a dinosaur. Small, fast 3-4 outside LBs don't do so well as pass rushers against 320-lb tackles with quick feet. Sure, Micah Parsons looks sexy right now, but that shit will wear him down real quick. A big offensive line wears down a 3-4, period. We can argue it until the cows come home. I'm a 4-3 guy who believes in lockdown corners and sending the house.
@Jory Folker We're gonna have to disagree. A 3-4 NT is always going to be a bigger man than a 4-3 DT. And the reason for a 3-4 alignment is to have greater flexibility in disguising who you're sending. If you don't have a stud OLB like Lawrence Taylor, Matt Judon, etc. it's just not worth playing it. Give me an extra 30-60lb of meat on a 4-3 DE instead.
Why do Run n Shoot college QB’s struggle in the NFL?
The run and shoot qb's struggle becuase in the pro style offense you need to read coverages, know man or zone,who is coming, what protection to add, if you need a hot route, all within 18 seconds before the snap, then they need to go through their progression from x,y,z, etc. The run and shoot is snap the ball amd throw to the open receiver. It boils everything the pro does into a scheme for a qb to just read and react. It works against college teams with less talent but you take that to a top 10 team with talent and a decent coach and they can force you to change your game plan really quick. It takes years of practice to get the NFL pro style offense down. Thats why Tebow wasnt successful.
Detroit Lions in the early 90's with Mouse Davis the NFL hated him.
west coast offense is the best. run n shoot works though
mja49ers1 Yes The Run-N-Shoot worked ask Kansas City about it when Warren Moon went ballistic on 12-16-90 threw for a career best 527 yds.
West Coast O integrating R&S elements as does Zone Read/Spread Option. NFL is copycat Offense. Sorta like Bruce Lee's JKD theory....
@buffalobills
uhh isnt that just a spread?
hokiebird295 nah it more freedom for the wide receiver
Why they are both wearing khakis in this vid?
vaultsuit These guys are talking football and about formations and you’re paying attention to their pants? Nigga, u gay?
It's funny to read this junk and u can look at a hundred offenses around the NFL and college and it's all the same garbage..the most successful coaches have organization, they carefully evaluate players into the scheme based on skills, and mental makeup and attitude..u keep the playbook simple, require players to memorize it, and execute to perfection..same on the defensive side..the reason so many coaches blow is they don't have the skills to manage everything and get too immersed in minutiae..make sure players can catch, hold on and not fumble, don't tolerate screw ups, ur kicker and punter are excellent at all phases and are players as well..manage it down to every last detail..too many coaches are in some turmoil with staff.. that would be automatically a suspension if a coordinator or coach undermined me or disrespected me..they would be left at home or the office and players in trouble would sit..no stupid stunts on the field.. discipline and respect.. including coaches..allow freedom and empower ur team..but stop with the idiocy of overthinking what is essentially a morons game
This objectively isn't the case. Maybe in high school, sure. In college/pros the talent gap isn't that significant and the fundamentals are drilled in fairly well. Teams that take care of the high-level functions are the ones that succeed because they find an edge and exploit it. Now if you're comparing teams like Georgia and Georgia State, sure, there is a big gap, but between peers, scheme will make the difference.
In college you need a HC that understands the game at a high level and can implement an offense that players a) have fun in and b) put them in the best positions to score. My favorite example is in the MAC, where the talent is almost completely even. An offensive guru like Dino Babers or Sean Lewis can waltz in and rocket to the top of the standings after spending a year in the dumps basically by scheme alone. Art Briles turned around Baylor again, by scheme alone. The coaches that tend to get wiped out are former players, rah-rah defensive coordinators, disciplinarians, and people with no charisma that can't recruit. Because they may have been able to slip by like that in the 1980s, but almost every coaching staff in the country has borrowed concepts from run-n-shoot, air raid, misdirection, and option style offenses.
Pp.
run and shoot....does that mean shoot your wad while your running?