Training: 19 weeks on average in the USA, to more than 2.5 years (ie 30 weeks minimum) in Germany. Also psychological evaluation of potential police officers is a requirement, both for application as well as during their jobs. Racial profiling in Germany is illegal, but unluckily it still happens. In many cases it is applied more to "Arabian" looking ethnicities but it also happens to POC. This has to stop, or at the very least be minimized as much as possible. Because humans being human means there will always be some a-hole somewhere in any sufficiently large group of people. Stopping and asking someone for an ID is a basic right of police officers in Germany. Usually it has to be due to certain aspects that apply to that person, such as an "offener Haftbefehl", an open APB by cops. If someone resembles such a person cops do have reason to stop and require an ID. BUUUUUT to stop and search someone there has to be a much stronger suspicion. While this is not a huge protection for POC it does quickly move Polizeibeamte into the illegal spot fairly quickly if they exceed their rights. Because any person has some basic rights. So even if you are stopped and searched for closely resembling a wanted criminal the cops still have to treat you with as much dignity as possible. I am completely aware that this does not always occur, but the person has a legal right to it, and the cops DO break a law if they do NOT treat you with dignity. Compare that to the USA where nearly any amount of force is legally sanctioned to apprehend a potential suspect. The cops in the USA don't have to give a flying f'k about the dignity of even a possible suspect, much less a wanted criminal. THAT is the major difference between the USA and Germany. There is an "Antidiskriminierungsstelle" that is an official place where people feeling discriminated may voice their grievances in Germany. www.antidiskriminierungsstelle.de/DE/Home/home_node.html www.antidiskriminierungsstelle.de/EN/Home/home_node.html (for English) BERATUNG BEI DISKRIMINIERUNG Montag 13-15 Uhr Mittwoch und Freitag 9-12 Uhr (030) 18555 - 1855 allgemeine Anfragen: Mo-Fr 9-12 und 13-15 Uhr A cop in Germany has to register EVERY shot fired from his "Dienstwaffe", his offical cop gun. The number of people killed in Germany in 2018 was officially 11 (as per the Polizeistatistik). While the suspected number might be higher (even the most radical left wing Antifa groups assume only about double to triple the number), the assumed total of 33 people killed in Germany would still be significantly lower than in the USA (assuming we can trust the official numbers from the USA and we take the much higher estimates for Germany). The total number of people shot by cops in Germany since *1952* is around 510 as per official statistics. That is half of what US cops shoot in a year.
The claim the police can hide killings is weird given the police statistics include suicides by police officers with their service weapon as well as accidents. So one could assume intentional or callous deaths being moved to the accident category but that would not change the total number.
Sure there are police officers and there are others. I hope you get treated by your color then maybe you will understand.We all remember what Germans did and the world knows your not well.
You are right about that. Average that is. I think it was Idaho, where you literally get send to the streets to police, before you have done a single day of training.
Yep, the rule is that you have to train within a year, but how this training exactly looks like isn't specified. You can basically have someone on the force with no training at all for a full year and even then just send said person to a short training.
In the USA it is a short course approximately 105 days. Of this short period of time the major part of the education is gun practice and self defense. Only 35 days !!! of their course is devoted to: how to master stress, humanity, cultural differences, and ethics. Need I say more ?
@@peterpritzl3354 Yes, you would need to say more, or just something else. There are no police-training standarts in the US, yet you pretend that they "all train 105 days".
Well done, a very good video to an important item which likely affects everybody. A story from my experience with US police, I must admit that I have less experience with german police, just a few cases due to traffic control (mostly speed conrtols but also random check of cars) and one case where a neighbour touched my car during parking. During a business trip in US (rural area appr. 100km far from Chicago) my rental care broke down in the late afternoon, just before it becomes dark. I managed to phone to the rental car company (had no mobile phone with me, year 2001) by knocking on the door of one of the neighbourhood houses (area where rich people live).The rental car company liked to send a replacement vehicle (picked up on a lorry). I went back to the broken car, meanwhile it was dark outside. Sitting in the car and waiting, after a while two persons knocked heavily on my car, boom, immediately a very bright flashlight was shining into my face, in the first second I was totaly shocked as the presence of these persons has suprised me. I had not oserved that anybody came close to my car. What are you doing here was the question they asked me after I have opened the window, I recognised Police officers, I was forced to come out of the car, they wanted all documents (driving lisence, passport, rental car contract), they were very suspicious against me, my feeling was that they havn't believed me. They asked me how I managed it to get in contact with the rental car company, I had to demonstrate that the car does not work, how long I will stay in US, where is my residence, the reason why I'm in US and so on, the were very unfriendly, no offering for help. At the end they left me with hint I should take care. Over all it was a very shocking experience to get in contact with the US police. Every time when I see police cars on the highway or anywhere else I try to do everything in the best way so that there should be no reason that they will pick me, I like to avoid to get in contact with US police officers. This is different to Germany, in case of an emergency situation I would consider to get in contact with police, depending on the situation maybe they could help me.
Not sure if you have seen it, but in terms of prison, there are quite a few videos up on RUclips because the US government turned to Germany a few years back to get a better understanding of why Germany has such a low rate if returning prisoners. There is even a very good discussion on that topic from a conference that shows pictures and explains a lot. About police violence in Germany: We have 3 big crime areas where police will often use any means necessary: criminal gangs like the Hells Angels, organisations like Mafia or militant right wingers and riot violence often on the 1. of May by left wingers that need their once-a-year street war with the police. Normally you will not see a German police officer pull a gun, because every instance of violence even if not executed but only threatened comes with a ton of paperwork. About racial profiling in Germany: yes, it exists. Police calls it "kriminalistische Erfahrung" (criminalistic experience). Meaning: black people have been cought often for drug dealing, so searching them will more likely lead to a cought criminal then searching a white person. That will of course mean that they will also stop Innocents just because of their skin color. It is something that grew over time through social problems and now it's very hard to overcome for both sides and now it's not fair and it is something worth fighting for. On both sides. The question we need to ask as well is: why have they been so prevailing in for example drug dealing? Is that because of their lack of chances to get a good salary that they are pushed into crime? What can we do against it? How can we get those people off the street without sending them to prison? In the end we all want the same: lead a peaceful life. Police should focus on removing only the truly rotting eggs.
And something very different with the use of deadly force is the aftermath. In Germany every case is investigated by homicide of a _different_ department.
that is literally the case in the USA, take the recent case where the Georgia bureau of investigation is in charge of investigating the shooting in Atlanta. It's not just a different department but a specialised internal investigations division that does nothing else in the entire state.
@@texasranger24 Sorry i wasn't specific. I tried to read it up, but from what I gathered, in the USA it looks more like an internal review/investigation and only sometime later the attornys office is presented a carefully tailored report on which it is decided if the attorny gets involved or not. In Germany it is the other way around. The attornys office opens an investigation based on a murder or manslaughter charge and then the other department in brought in. The internal review is independent of that.
These article is very depicting: "German police used only 85 bullets against people in 2011" which is the amount of bullets the NYPD uses in two days. And that is just one town. www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/german-police-used-only-85-bullets-against-people-2011/328297/ From these 85 bullets, 36 were warning shots. What i don't get, every american seems to know they have problems, but the system seems so festered, that nothing really chances, it seems to get even worse. I witness the damage, Trump does, despite the social unrest. And all the republicans happily go along with this. It is so obvious, and still, Trump and his entourage have such a big base. Do americans need more awareness, how other industrial countries look at and treat their society ?
Dabei sollten wir nicht vergessen, dass es in den usa mehr Waffen als Leute gibt. Liegt es dann nicht irgendwie auf der Hand, dass bei bei Auseinandersetzungen mehr Murmeln verbraucht werden? 😕
Never had a problem with the police here in Germany - at every encounter they acted with professional courtesy to get to the bottom of things, usually to clear up a misconception or misunderstanding, making sure things stay within the law, with leeway depending on the individual officers' evaluation of the situation.
I had a problem once...my sister got pulled over and her boyfriend had a little bit too much to drink to drive. Which was okay, but then they left her in her drunken state alone in the middle of the night in the area which is basically the "Straßenstrich" of our city, and didn't even allow her to retrieve her purse from the car beforehand. Thankfully her boyfriend managed to give her his handy, so she could call a taxi which I then paid after she arrived at home, but to this day I don't understand why they couldn't have taken her with them, too, or at least put her into the taxi herself, instead of leaving a drunk young woman (nearly a teen) alone without any money on her. All thus said, that was ONE encounter out of multiple ones, in all the other cases they were completely friendly and professional. Not at all like the one encounter I had with the American police. That one was terrifying, and if the police is acting towards a white family of tourists the way they acted towards us, I shudder to think what happens when they encounter their own citizens, especially if racism plays into it.
swanpride Warum sollten die Polizisten sie irgendwo hinfahren? Die Polizei ist kein Taxiunternehmen. Deine Schwester war doch selber schuld, da sie selbst entschieden hat, trotz Alkoholkonsum (ein Bier oder ein Glas Wein, bringt niemanden auch nur annähernd über die erlaubte Grenze von 0,5 Promille) sich hinters Steuer zu setzten und ihr eigenes Fehlverhalten hat sie in diese Situation gebracht. Dt. Ordnungshüter sind nicht dazu da, die Konsequenzen deines eigenen Fehlverhaltens auszubaden, sondern um die öffentliche Ordnung aufrecht zu erhalten, in dem sie dafür sorgen die vorhandene Regeln eingehalten werden. Ich persönlich hatte vor Jahren eine ähnliche Situation, bei der ich meine Brille nicht dabei hatte und dann nachts auf dem Heimweg nach Hause kontrolliert wurde. Ich dürfte dann mein Auto auch nicht weiter bewegen und mir ein Taxi, irgendwo mitten in die Walachei rufen. Natürlich war es unvorteilhaft und hat zusätzliches Geld gekostet aber aber dafür war ich dafür war ich ganz allein verantwortlich und nicht die Polizisten.
@PPfilmemacher Du hast meine Geschichte nicht verstanden. Es geht nicht darum, dass ihr Freund angehalten worden ist, oder darum, dass sie Geld für das Taxi ausgeben muss, es geht darum, dass sie es ihr aktiv zu schwer wie möglich gemacht haben, sicher nach Hause zu kommen. Sie sollen sie nicht irgendwo hinfahren, sie sollen sie entweder mit auf die Wache nehmen oder aber ihr erlauben, ihren Geldbeutel und ihr Handy aus dem Auto zu holen. Wenn ihr Freund ihr nicht heimlich (HEIMLICH!!!!) sein Handy zugesteckt hätte, dann hätte sich mitten in der Nacht alleine ohne Telefon und ohne Geld im gefährlichsten Stadtteil gestanden. Da hätte sie sich auch kein Taxi rufen können. Da wäre sie angetrunken über den Straßenstrich gelaufen. Außerdem hat auch nicht SIE hinterm Steuer gesessen, das war ihr Freund, sie war nur der Beifahrer und selbst zu angetrunken um wirklich einschätzen zu können, wie angetrunken ER war. Es war dumm, aber das ist kein Grund sie in Gefahr zu bringen. Wie so etwas Enden kann, konnte man dann einige Jahre später sehen. Da haben sich Polizisten entschlossen einen angetrunkenen Teen leichtbekleidet auf der Landstraße auszusetzen. Das ist dann so geendet, dass er angefahren wurde und noch an Ort und Stelle starb. Und ja, die beiden Polizisten sind deswegen wegen fahrlässiger Tötung angeklagt und auch verurteilt worden. Die Polizei sind nicht nur Ordnungshüter, ihr oberster Job ist die Bevölkerung zu beschützen. Auch vor unserer eigener Dummheit. Wenn du das nicht verstehst, dann hast du die Rolle der Polizei nicht verstanden.
Hi Taylor, again a wonderful video and I agree with the content. I feel encouraged to add some very personell ideas to the differences and try to keep it as short as possible. One huge difference is in the constitutions of the US and Germany. The US constitution inits major parts dates back from the late 18th century. In that time it was the forefront of philosphical ideas from the era of enlightment in Europe. This era led to also to the french revolution and further more. Central point of the US constitution is the freedom. But the philophical ideas were developing since then and you can see the results in the german constitution: Freedom ins not longer the central point in it but human dignity. Article 1 of the german constition: "(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority. (2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world. (3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive and the judiciary as directly applicable law." This is a fundamental difference and it was. Article 1 overshines all other (even basic) rights in germany. It is mindsetting in the culture and a need to know if you want to understand the difference. With this right of human dignity (and freedom is an important part of it) all the following rights are getting a deeper sence. Example: Freedom for whom, for what, from what or whom, what is it aiming for? Answer: Human dignity! Human Dignity without Fredom of speech, religion and so on? Not possible! Such a fundamental change in a constitution can only be made, when a Nation or Country is broken and down, like Germany in 1949 after Nazi-time and war. No wonder that other Countries in similar situations later imported these ideas and took the german constitution as an ideal. For example "newer Democracies" in South America and Asia and in Africa (the South African Constitution is a typical example). The Us was (luckily) never in such a situation in modern times. So there´s no reason to blame. It needs a lot of pressure to come to such a point of fundamental changes. If it´s the states most important duty to protect the human dignity, you´ll find the results of this task in all part of the society: Legislation, Judiciary, Excutive (incl. Police). Here all the pieces of a puzzle come together: Social Wellfare, Health System for all, free education, equality (e.g. no racism), Mothers protection, parental leave, human treatment of prisoners, help for refugees and a lot more. Many US people regard this as Socialism, but it isn´t, because the individual human being is in the absolute center - even more than in the US. To the differences of enforcements by police: All policewomen and -men absolve at least a study whith a Bachelor Degree. And the pre-selection is very tough (in the 90ies I lectured about constitutional rights at such a University of applied Siences for Publc Administration). At a Demonstration it the first task of police to protect the use of constitutional rights (free speech, right of public gatherings and so on) of the protesters against disturbances. Please don´t get me wrong: here are misbehaviors of policewomen and -men as well as racism. I think this is a question of Character and Intelligence, but it is whithout Question simply illegal and will be punished. But all in all the most important difference is the impact of Human Dignity as a leading Idea in Germany. Sorry, it was getting much longer than I intened. Thank you again for your wonderful video. Dettmar
"... All policewomen and -men absolve at least a study whith a Bachelor Degree..." That´s incorrect. See e. g. here: www.ausbildung.de/berufe/polizist/
@@peterfischer7084 Hi Peter, you're right. I was generalising to keep it short. The systems in the federal states are a bit different. But all states offer that studies. Only some states offer an opportunity to start a Ausbildung without studies for the lower tasks. Most states demand studies with a Bachelor Degree (or equivalent) as a minimum. Example: Police Bremen. There's a good comparison in Wikipedia (Polizei Ausbildung). But all in all you're right. Have nice day.
@@dettmardencker7430 Sorry, but that still seems incorrect. Not every police officer has to have a bachelor degree as becomes obvious if you look at the pay grades they can reach. There are officers below paygrade A9 ("Laufbahngruppe 1, mittlerer Dienst") who don´t have to have a bachelor degree. It would be a bit over the top anyway to require a bachelor degree for menial police jobs. However, I´ll give you that the general level of education seems to have increased. It´s quite a difference when I compare my (limited) experience of 50 years ago (I had a granduncle who was a police officer and was unable to write a proper report) with todays.
This is a really important comparison that you make! I think Americans focus much too often on the idea of freedom without regard for what personal freedoms can cost others.
A couple days ago a saw a video from the arresting of a black guy, he did something wrong of course, but it wasn't that big deal and around 10 police cars arrived to arrest on guy, he was fixed and all of the cops had something like machine guns in their hands. And more and more arrived to get involved into the situation. Shooting in Germany is the last option for a police officer in Germany and it takes a lot of action that a police officer will use his weapon. The word should be the first and the strongest weapon and respectful acting in both ways. We as the society have to do a lot and change it. A problem in the US is police labor union that protect all that violence and is not able to work out these problems. They hide the officers and the bad issues without any chance to change something. Thanks for sharing and talking about that difficult topic!
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The problem isn't unions you dishonest right wing propaganda spewing simp.
The roaming police cars do conduct traffic stops. But usually you have to bend/break really important rules. As you said, really minor offences are often handled more relaxed. And as others already pointed out the average training for police officers in the USA is 19 weeks. Even the bouncers in Germany have to go through a longer training....
Hallo Taylor, ich finde es sehr erfrischend (und beruhigend), dass du dich in diesem und auch einem der vorherigen Videos so klar und direkt äußerst und eindeutig Stellung beziehst - Hut ab! Und bitte mach weiter so! Ich hoffe sehr, dass dein Kanal auch von (jungen) AmerikanerInnen gesehen wird, die dadurch vielleicht angeregt werden, sich kritischer mit ihrem Land und den politischen Verhältnissen dort auseinanderzusetzen - oder sich (durch deinen kritischen Blick von außen) in ihren politischen Ansichten bestätigt sehen!
Thank you for this great video. If you'd asked me whether there's some racial profiling going on in Germany, I would have said yes, but I didn't know there were statistics and an investigation. Thanks for making me aware of that!
Thank you for these kinds of videos! It so important to educate and therefore and even bigger thank you for providing resources to read up on!
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The Police in Germany is still doing traffic control in person. More often on the highways, but also on the very small roads. The difference is, that besides some ongoing controls like in case of the Highway Police, it's done occasionally or to press the issue. Sometimes they even on purpose do the controls but without the penalties, just to make people aware of the rules they are breaking and pointing out the good reasons behind the laws. The approach is to make people obey the laws, not necessarily via punishment but via many means including communication.
This also depends on the exact legal situation and the kind of cases they’re investigating into. Legal situation in Germany: while a photo (from a speed camera) can be used to determine the exact car, the actual driver is to be fined, and this can be tricky to investigate for. That’s why any speeding tickets are being sent to the owner of the car, who then may name the actual driver and redirect the charges to them - or simply pay the fine and so acknowledge to be the driver. However, there’s a special legal loophole in that process: you can decline to blame your direct family members. Doing so usually stops the investigations and voids any fines, as the alternative is a fully blown court case, which may easily spend effort, time and money, and so may even be rejected by the court due to lack of public interest in prosecution of a minor offence. However, if you’re doing this multiple times, you as the owner of the car may end in court and be required to manage a logbook on who has been driving the car, so this logbook then can be used in future cases to determine the actual driver. Yet there’s another loophole on that case as well: the logbook requirement is only enforced on the car with the current registration code, so obtaining a new registration for your car will give you new license plates with a new number and void that logbook requirement. To avoid such issues for more dangerous cases, German police also does stop a driver after having witnessed such an offence (say: extreme speeding, reckless driving). By doing so, they can immediately assert on who’s been driving and so will need to be charged. On spot, they may also seize car keys or the driving license to prevent further incidents, take notes on who has also been in the car and check the car (say, for illegal modifications). There’s also routine checks on some roads, like when trucks are rerouted to a parking spot next to the Autobahn for a routine check (mechanical state of the truck, are goods properly secured, is the driver tired or did they exceed their permitted working times, …) or when on weekends, motorcycles on more “bending” roads are being checked for their noise emissions and illegal modifications. Some sort of profiling does happen, though this is easily debatable: trucks from Eastern Europe are more likely to be checked, as due to distance from their home base, the drivers are much more likely to have been in the road for more than their legally permitted driving time - and the trucks are commonly less maintained than those registered in other countries and so impose a higher risk for traffic and drivers. A noticeable exception on police checks: the police is only checking “rolling” traffic, but usually doesn’t care about parked cars (“standing traffic”), unless they do impose a threat to rolling traffic. Parked cars are usually checked by municipal workers, who don’t carry any weapons, other than pen, paper and mobile phone, but are also well trained on deescalation and legally aren’t that much different from “real” police officers in terms of their rights.
Recently I saw on TV two German police officers riding with bikes in the city and controlling other cyclists. So the police is presence but more subtle.
They sometimes also do it for education purposes….meaning, they are standing at a road at which a lot of accident happens, pull over people who are too fast, then let them drive and if they end up speeding a second time, they get pulled over and are forced to watch some sort video which shows them the result of traffic accidents. Measures like this cost btw more than they bring in punishment fees. And naturally they patrol the autobahn. But they use cars which looks "normal" at the first glance, hence we don't even notice them most of the time unless they pull over someone who drives dangerously.
You just educated me. I’m living in Germany for over 19 years now, but obviously not aware of most the things she defined in regards to police profiling in Germany. I have been driving for the past 16 years in this country but never had I been stopped unnecessarily. Maybe I haven’t been keeping a closer look at the attitude of the law enforcement in my neighbourhood. Thank you for letting me know that there are people who look like me that are being profiled in Germany and please keep up the good work. Nach weiter so!
I have recently found your channel. My husband and I have been thinking about moving to Germany (he's hoping to get his MA there). I find your videos so well organized and informative and you hit the nail on head with this one. As a Latinx, it's great to know there are people out there doing the work to educate themselves and others. I truly appreciate everything you said. Thank you! Side note: I'm wondering if you know anyone who moved there with children and what that process was like for them? We have a high schooler and are likely going to wait until she finishes to move, but with everything going on in the US we would love to do it earlier.
Hello! Thank you for your lovely comment! It's great you are thinking about moving to Germany! My channel was created for people exactly like you 🙃 I don't personally know anyone that migrated to Germany with grown children. However, I do know a bit about secondary school education. I think I'd your high school student speaks fluent German and has taken normal to advanced classes in high school, she should be able to do fine in terms of academic success (for the highest level of education (Gymnasium) which prepared students for university education. If she gets average grades in average classes then she is more likely to place into Realschule. However, I do think if she doesn't have the language skills, it would be a difficult transition both in terms of academics and socializing with peers. Or she would get placed into a school system for those who don't speak the language fluently (which is true of many migrants) but I think this would have a negative influence on the quality of education she receives. Maybe someone else in the comment section has more insight!
Hi Taylor really appriciate ur videos. regarding court systems,i would like to ask if you or anybody knows if unmarried fathers are treated fairly in German family courts, against child alienating are these matters taken seriously in Germany..do fathers have much rights for thier children At all? Can you shed some light of Germany's parental laws..
In Germany police officers are "Beamte", how does that work in the US. Being "Beamter" in Germany also implies that some rights are being withheld - you may not go on strike for example. But on the other hand the state has the task to protect you (including health care and payment for the retirement). How ist the American police integrated in the society/state?
Well, at least I know that US police can't strike, hence the notion of a "blue flu" exists. You know, a lot of police officers just happen to call in ill at the same time.
@@swanpride The big issue with the state of being a "Beamter": You cannot be fired as long as you do not break the rules for police officers. This means you know that you will have your job until pension when you follow the rules but if not you are fired, lost your pension rights etc. Something police officers let think twice or more often before risking their safe job.
Der Beamte kann sich zusätzlich privat krankenversichern, denn durch staatliche Beihilfe werden NICHT 100 % der Krankenversorgungskosten getragen. Für ledigen, kinderlose Beamte, zum Beispiel, werden max. 50 % der Krankenversorgungskosten durch die staatliche Beihilfe getragen (Arbeitgeberteil). Beamte sind nicht verpflichtet, sich zusätzlich privat zu versichern, sinnvoll ist es allemal.
One question about profiling I have to ask: If there are statistics, which are of cause a result of serious problems in the society which have to be solved asap and are very unfair and should be overcome, which say: It is twice as likely that a certain person of whatever background (may it be white, black, asian, persian, male, female, non-binary, being poor or rich or whatever) committed a crime, is it rassist for a police officer to run after that person first if s/he has two with similar starting points other than that? I am not talking about police brutality (which is a total unexceptable behaviour) or shooting those guys down faster (if you are in the US and shooting people down is more like a hobby but the last resort if everything else fails and there is a dangerous threat). I would much more prefer it to be very much different concerning profiling, but I do not see the police going for the most likely suspect first to be a wrong thing to do. The problem starts in the way it is done and that this kind of statistics are real, but as a police officer with limited time and resources, who should they go about it? Again, please do not take this as an assault or put me in the wrong corner here... I do absolutely despise that we have to talk about something like that at all and it really shouldn't be a thing in a perfect world, but what would be the short term solution for a police officer in Germany or the US in this case?
A very balanced view of things, thank you for that. I'm German and I have experienced police brutality at demonstrations, and even false accusations by the police against demonstrators. And racial or social profiling happens, too. You said, it may be based on personal prejudices: Maybe. But these are PROFESSIONALS. They should do their work, and keep their political opinions at home. Three short examples: 1) I once sat on a train, and there was one black person in the car. Guess whose ID they wanted to see? Right. Bad luck for them he was born in Germany and had German citizenship. -- racial profiling 2) I have a hippie haircut (or rather non-haircut), and I sometimes travel to the Czech Republic, because it's near and trains are cheap. The Czech Republic is known for their lenient drug policy. So guess who gets checked for drugs when police are around at the railway station? Right. -- social profiling 3) My impression is that people with an east European accent are more suspect to crime than people with a western European or American accent. -- racial or social? You decide. That being said, a friend of mine is a police officer.
1) You know that refugess in Germany has to go to a certain area where they are supposed to love for the next time? They get a ticket and have to travel alone. So ther are problaby some refugess on the trains every week. You assume that they asked him for the ID because he was black but you don*t know they background. Did they were searching for a certain man? Were there problems with black refugees in the past? Showing your ID is not a big issue when there is nothing more. There was no more or you would have told it. If you stand out from the mass in a certain way you are most likely more checked. Ask pepole with heavily tuned cars. Police will also always check them. Bad luck for them because he was German? Why because they checked him and found nothing? I was checked on Ascensions Day for alcohol diffrent times. Bad luck for the police that I was not drunk anything? 2) People who look very young have to show their ID more often when buying alcohol. ^^ 3.) So why leave so many stolen cars Germany in direction of Poland and going to Russia and the Ukraine and not to France? There are certain crimes that are linked with certain ethnic groups for whatever reasons. So if you controll a member of the certain group, you will look if he is clean or part of the criminals. Cigarettes are chaper in Poland or Russia, so the Police will check on Polish or Russian cars coming from Poland than doing the same for cars from Switzerland. Near the swiss border they will look more for money crossing the border.
As a German I know the US-American police system basically only from film & television. However, I have the impression that a big problem is the high number of independent police departments. For comparison: In the whole of Germany there are a total of 18 independent police authorities and 17 criminal investigation offices: One federal police, one police of the German Bundestag (Parliament) and 16 state police, 1 Federal Criminal Police Office and 16 state criminal investigation offices. Accordingly, there are also only 17 training and supervisory bodies - the federal government and the 16 federal states. I have the impression from the USA that there are thousands of independent police authorities, each with their own rules and guidelines. I think that reforms work worse there. And no: The German police system is not perfect and there are also some problems to be solved, but I think these are easier to solve, because something has to be done in only 17 places instead of tens of thousands.
As a further problem in the USA I see the fact that the posts of sheriff, chief of police, prosecutor and judge are partly elective posts. This means that these executive offices become political offices and the office holders always have to worry about being re-elected. Whether they have done a good job is then measured in the number of arrests or convictions. Quantity counts more than quality. The police chiefs in Germany are appointed officials who have worked their way up the career ladder within the police force. Most of the police chiefs themselves were once patrolmen. Public prosecutors in Germany are also appointed civil servants, whose highest employer is the Minister of Justice. The ordinary judges in Germany are also appointed or elected by judge election committees, usually for an unlimited period of time. Even the honorary auxiliary judges (Schöfen) are only elected by judge election committees, whereby almost everyone can run for these offices (5 years term of office). In Germany there is no popular participation in the selection of these posts, which are almost always of unlimited duration. So there are no police chiefs, public prosecutors or judges who have to fight for re-election and can therefore fully concentrate on their actual job. This allows the independence of the judiciary to be guaranteed, because the judiciary is also independent of the will of the people. To the explanation of the auxiliary judges: At Schöfen Courts in Germany - mostly criminal courts - one professional judge and two Schöfen (lay judges) decide on guilt and innocence. Almost any German can run for the office of lay judge, provided he or she has no criminal record, is at least 18 years old and has his or her primary residence in the district of the court.
@@TheManWithTheHatKiel The whole system of sheriffs and police departments by itself is already confusing enough. And when they interact with each other you will have officers from two different departments, and both believe that they have more authority over the other so nobody will back down. There is a very interesting video from the channel "audit the audit" about the city police executing a warrant for a county sheriffs phones, because he was investigated by the state attorney for corruption. I highly reccomend it, because it not only shows the level of corruption in many departments, but also how officers will happily break the law, if one of their own is threatened by justice. ruclips.net/video/KzRvaFAKuuk/видео.html
haha, i dont think so xD But its not illegal to consume cigarettes under the age of 18. Its just not allowed to sell or provide them to minors. So they will most likely ask where you got the from and warn you about the health risks.
I am from Austria so quite similar to Germany but not the same. One thing that I notice from afar is that some police officer's go on patrol alone, something that we don't do. I don't know if it is intentionally or just a coincidence. Also there was a great video about some reporters going through police training, just one day. And one of them said something like: "If you train all traffic stops like this one, than I understand why the police is afraid". Every simulated stop ended in getting her killed.
As a regular (white) tourist in the US I have always had very positive interactions with the cops; be it NYPD or Florida or elsewhere. I would regularly turn to them for help or just for small talk and have always been treated respectfully. I guess what helped was they heard I was a non native English speaker.
Policebrutality: I think you cannot compare the numbers between the US and Germany as the US police officers have "qualified immunity" which imposes a very high cost on the person suing for police brutality. As a result I do think that only very clearcut violations with indisputable evidence are filed before the court. Police Structure: Germany has 3x basic sets of Police forces - communal, Land & Bund. And each entity has their set of responsibilities and powers. We did have other entities like BGS(Bundesgrenzschutz) and Bahnpolice (train police) ,but they have been merged into Bundespolizei. We do have special forces - MEK/SEK Mobiles Einsatzkomando, Sondereinsatzkomando and GSG 9 for Antiterrorism/Hostage situations. This is mainly it. One specialized unit is missing that is Zoll (Customs) who also have a special weapons unit for high profile cases, but are mainly responsible for taxes and smuggling. Then we have 3x secret services BND(Bundesnachrichtendienst - exteriour secret service) , Verfassungschutz (interiour secret service) and militärischer Abschirmdienst (MAD - army secret service). I think this covers all. For america things shall be a lot more complicated - you got many 3 letter agencies - I have on my mind that you can become subject to 9 agencies just entering the US on an airport - and in some cases you may not even have rights for an attourney. In the US you have local police, state police, FBI, Sherrif (who gets elected), head hunters (who get legal powers as a private entity) and many more things. E.g. now you can see the fun in portland with local and federal police forces and maybe even having private contractors in the mix as well.- Also we see a militarisation of police forces in both countries. In the US police departments can get military gear for transportation costs - Mine resistant vehicles, weapons, chopers, ...Also there is the believe that a "threatened" police officer may shoot an armed suspect - even if it later turns out to be a play gun, mobile phone, .. And most people stand behind this policy - "It was his fault, he should not have,..." While the chance for an officer getting wounded or shot is way lower than for a civilian suffering the same fate. Also you will not see a German police squad emptying their magazines into a single person.
It happened to me once that all traffic on German Autobahn was stopped and the police checked all vehicles. A hard criminal had escaped and the police were looking for him. For the common citizen, this can mean that he has to show his ID and the police may want to look into the trunk. But in this case a police officer waved and I was allowed to slowly drive past at walking pace. In the 1970s a terrorist group was active so this happened more often. In general the German police only intervene in cases of crime. Or if there's a car accident, document what happened. Or if a fire breaks out then the question is why. Maybe the police will be called because drunk people are fighting. But in Germany we don't worry when a policeman walks by.
Ausserhalb des eigentlichen Thema: die Filmaufnahme im Anhang als Editor fand ich überraschenderweise viel direkter und authentischer. Ich hatte als Zuschauer das Gefühl direkt persönlich angesprochen zu werden.
Hey future Taylor, could you please explain the graph you showed at 5:46. Is it that the whole population of the US is classified into races aka blacks and whites as stated here (what about mixed and PoC)? Do these percentages of population mean percentage of black/ white population or is it really the percentage of whole population? But this seems a lot for the whole of the US as basically every black person would be using drugs then, which I highly doubt. Also is it an average over the states or is it about a single state? If an average how is the average calculated? And where does the data for drug use and selling drugs come from? I looked at the source but it is not very helpful, it states that for using and selling drugs they used reported rates, however aren´t these already biased then as white people are less likely to be policed? Maybe I completely misread it as English isn´t my first language. If you could explain it and maybe rate it how reliable this statistic is, I´d be very thankful.
Hi, Stefan. I would assume that the statistics are based on police reports where race is listed as a characteristic (as with most forms in the US) as well as survey data where someone is asked how they self identify. The way I am reading the graph, I understand that, for example, 16% of blacks have used drugs, so a percentage of the racial population. A "reported rate" doesn't necessarily mean it was reported by the police. It could be self-reported such as through the use of surveys. Hope that helps!
Two biggest differences betwenn the police in Germay and the US: Germany Training is a minimum of 2.5 yrs. up to 3 yrs. Training includes extensive law training, deescalation training, psychology, gun training (both physically as mentally) as well well as generall awarness of what our job is about (with an emphasis on history of the police and what it was misused for from 1933-1945). The second big thing is, that we are taught from day 1 of your training, that we are not above the law. Our job is to enforce it and help our citizines, but we will be held acountable, to every extent of german law, if we abuse our "power". E.g. We shoot some in the back 6 times....there is no way a germany court will rule that as self defense. That officer will be charged, trialed nad most surley be convicted of murder. So because people here in Germay know this, they are much mor trusted of the police!
I've lived in Germany for about 12 years after living in France, the USA and Canada many more years. In those 12 years, I have seen no more than 5 policemen in total on the street...
Die deutsche Polizei kann auch ohne einen bestimmten Grund eine "allgemeine Personenkontrolle" vornehmen (z. B. Identitätsprüfung). Kumpel und ich wurden früher, in unseren 20ern, oft auf diese Weise kontrolliert (in Hamburg). Ich hatte damit nie Probleme. Mir hat das nichts ausgemacht. Ich habe das nie als Bedrihung oder Schikane empfunden. Ich erlebte das meistens nachts oder spät am Abend. Die Polizisten waren immer fair und es gab nie Ärger.
Just some random thoughts. Police brutality and especially accountability in Germany is a problem as well. Of course it happens on a far lower scale than in the US, but if it does, it is also very rare for police officers to be held accountable. Germany is missing an independent institution to investigate crimes committed by the police and also in some situation police officers are still not identifiable. (Riot police at demonstrations typically, this is probably also where most the cases happen.) Racial profiling of course happens as well, and there will probably always be some officers that do that. A systematic issue there is however, that police officers are often given tasks that promote racial profiling. E.g. I often read the complain about controls in trains. The police is tasked to look for illegal immigration via trains, they don't have the resources to control everybody, so they have to pick. Well, most illegal immigrants come from the south, so they look for people that look like they could be from some southern country. The result being, if you are German but have darker skin, you will be asked for identification every time. But if you want to avoid that, this has already be changed at a higher level. Make sure that police officers have objective criteria to select or instruct them to check everyone. Same goes for patrolling in crime hot-spots. An other difference for policing: I've read US police officers often have targets, like do so many arrests, traffic checks whatever. That doesn't exist in Germany. If such a target is that, officers will just go for the easiest targets and try to arrest them for whatever reason. Also, police in the US arrest people for minor offences. Minor offences like jaywalking are not considered a crime "Straftat". So if you commit them you will get a ticket, if the police officers do not just ignore it. But you will never be arrested. There is just no legal grounds for an arrest in those cases. In the US, you are very quickly considered a criminal, and once you are, you are treated like shit. The racism issue comes on top of these general issues with policing.
Hi. I can agree with you on many things. In terms of training, it is normal for us to learn between 3 and 4 years for a job. The policing system has advantages and disadvantages in both countries. I now take as an example; Alcohol in public. In North America, brown paper bag means alcohol. You don't see it here in Germany, although it is also forbidden here to drink alcohol in public. Here the saying counts; "where there is no plaintiff there is no judge". In many things. There are also assaults by the police, luckily rather rarely. In all, I say, our police officers are really more friends and helpers. Here in Berlin we have something special, the "Kontaktbereichsbeamten". 😊
Vip3GER Nope, it is NOT prohibited to drink in public. Public inebriation with inappropriate behavior is prohibited, and even then requires some quite serious excesses to actually be taken notice of. Some train and tram stations have prohibited consumption of alcohol on their premises IN PUBLIC when not in restaurants. But that is the so-called "Hausrecht" of the train station owners. Otherwise there is NO federal law that prohibits consumption of alcohol in public in Germany.
Ah yes, I have to agree with you there. In the meantime there have been changes in the law again. Until 2006, it was forbidden here in Berlin to drink alcohol in public. It is becoming increasingly difficult to follow the law changes at the country level. 😳
Could you cite your source RE drinking in public being illegal in Germany? The articles I've read state the exact opposite. 😕 Oops, sorry, y'all answers didn't show at first.
Not sure as I was the last time in the US in the 1980s, but I think the US has a complete different approach to justice. It seems like the main goal is to punish. I studied laws and we talked about what laws should be (a representation of common rules to organize living together as society). A basic rule in Germany is that the goal is to protect society, educate the offender and try to find the best way to prevent the crime in the future. If a offender is thriwn in jail, they often come out finding themself in a even worse situation, increasing the chance of redoing what they did. So if someone steals, gets in jail, comes out, he probably steals again. If he gets some education, he might take the chance, earn money, pay taxes and become part of the society. Sure, there are limits to that, but it is the right approach in my opinion.
Last time I was back in Germany I was stopped by police and checked for my driver license and car registration certificate, had to do an alcohol test (the result of which was zero), had to show that I had my first aid kit and warning triangle) onboard. It was a bit annoying because I had to leave the car while it was raining but other than that I had no complaints. They were polite and merely doing their job. Btw. I´m German and as pale as they come. I´ve been checked before when leaving a train, and at a few other occasions (in Germany you need to be able to prove your identity) but never had a problem. Once, when I asked the officer why he checked me he answered jokingly: "well, you´re a man with a beard and a bag so I thought you were a drug dealer". It doesn´t happen often (maybe once every 5-10 years in my experience) but it does happen - even to white German people. As for racial profiling: as long as it increases efficiency I can´t see anything wrong with it. And I believe it often does - just as you wouldn´t check women when looking for a male suspect. Don´t forget that e. g. in 2017 (if I tremember the year correctly) 49% of all prison inmates in Bavaria were foreigners - so it makes sense for police to have foreign looking people being overrepresented in their screening. I understand that for those affected it´s annoying. But in my view it´s still justified and not more annoying e. g. as it was for me to be conscripted just because I weas male and not female. Some "injustices" you have to live with. Another example: a friend´s teenage son was arrested by police (in Bavaria) because they found him alone on the street at night when youngster´s of his age aren´t allowed out on their own. His dad had to pick him up from the police station at 2 a.m.
The example of the woman who is not checked because the suspect is a man does not fit. With general checks there is no suspect and instead of that simply suspecting all foreign looking people is pure racism. What the example with the teenager should tell us about this is unclear to me. For one thing, there is no curfew for teenagers, so they won't have arrested him (but that's probably just a matter of term), but took him to the police station for his protection. But what does this have to do with the question of possible profiling?
@@potator9327 "...With general checks there is no suspect and instead of that simply suspecting all foreign looking people is pure racism..." With that argument you could do away with all checks. However, as statistics show foreigners are overrepresented among the criminal cohort and there are even offenses only foreigners can become guilty of (e. g. residing illegally). Therefore, to me it makes sense to screen them more intensely which implies that it makes sense to screen foreign looking people more intensely. That in my view has nothing to do with racism (which implies racial superiority). I used the example of my friend´s teenage son merely as another example to show that not only foreigners are checked - otherwise police wouldn´t have known that he was still a minor at the time. In Bavaria there is a curfew for unaccompanied minors late at night (don´t remember as of what time though).
Iam 60 years old never been in jail I was attacked in braunschweig by police in civilian clothes and a black car in an alley on September 1 2022 .I was taken to a police department to where they were celebrating and saying I swallowed cocain.I had needle marks in my arm from a operation about 12 hours prior and I was on my way back to my hospital room.I have a useless arm and defenseless.I have a American indigenous half breed and white background but look arab.They jump out of the car and attacked me no words were spoken before the attack.All I could do was cover my head I thought it was a mugging.I lost Conscience and woke up in handcuffs blinded by blood in my eyes with a knee on my head and neck see a video of the Floyd murder.Iam being charged with assault on a police officer.They gave me a drug test about 20 minutes after the assault that was negative.I called the American embassy for help but did not receive any other than advice to contact a lawyer and I did unfortunately There is no way I could pay him what he asked.Iam a veteran of the us army 2 honables and a veteran correctional officer from Texas with 22 years working as a hospital porter in Wolfsburg Germany and married to a German national for over 38 years and grandfather.If you are of color and in Braunschweig stay together stay away from poor places.My doctor an Arab told me that police in black cars have been seen attacking citizens and throwing them in the trunk.Iam still in bed but getting better from where I write this message.No video of the attack was taken but have multiple bruises The severe concussion so that I can’t drive a car yet.I have photos of the damage they are horrific.
Today, what's on my mind is a simple question! The question is: "Are we a nation of laws?" If the answer is yes, then all these law enforcement officers that have used lethal force to apprehend a suspect since 1985 should be in jail without exception! Here is my reasoning: On March 29, 1985, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of "Tennessee versus Garner" that police may not use lethal force to apprehend a "suspect" even a "felony suspect"! It did not authorize any exceptions! High-speed chases constitute lethal force! Before the 1985 ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that police may not make traffic stops or walking stops on "suspicion". In simple English, the police may not stop a motorist that they know has been convicted in the past of DUI just to check him or her to see if the individual has been consuming alcohol beyond the present limit when there is no current behavior to suggest that may be true! This also applies to any other crime the individual may have been convicted of in the past but there is no evidence to suggest that the individual is participating in that activity now! Furthermore, the United States Supreme Court also ruled before this that police may not hide to give the appearance that no police are present and then showing their presence to ticket someone and/or arrest someone for violating a law that individual would not violate if he or she knew that police were present! For police to engage in this activity they are doing what is commonly called "entrapment"! In fact, if we consent to be ruled by a despot, then we are not ruled by law but by whims of the despot! The choice is ours! Comments
I was told the police officers got a 21 weeks of training so much more less than you have said. Anyway the whole police system in the US is kinda weird in order of who is responsible for what etc. And with a president like the one you do have right now the problems won't go away, when he is getting the army for peaceful protestors. So let's hope they'll get him out of office in November and let's cross fingers the younger generations are willing to do several changes the USA really needs.
American justice is brutal. In germany: First ask, ask again, than shoot in the air!!! After that a targeted shot In the leg. I have been in the army, that acts nearly like the german police.
that is not just retarded but dangerous and wrong. Shots in the air will come down somewhere, and shots in the leg are also deadly when they work. Which was literally proven yesterday by german police in lower saxony/Twist.
@@texasranger24 That's not totally true. The german police uses completly different bullets. These projectiles won't burst open, when they hit a target. Of course every shot and every bullet can be fatal and deadly. But as a good cop, you are trained to use the weapon carefully. A shot in the air surely can be dangerous. But it's not that necessarily deadly like a shot directly in your head.
@@andibuletten6206 that is literally true and what happened just the other day. you have apparently no idea about physics, anatomy and terminal ballistics. pistol hollow points will penetrate 12 to 18 inches of ballistics gelatin or soft tissue. same for the german police as for the fbi. same testing protocols, same specific parameters, same few manufacturers. and police training? are you kidding me? the police in the german capitol Berlin trains once a year, exactly 33 rounds. that's barely enough to hit the bride side of a barn, and doesn't involve any movement or tactics. shots in the air or legs are retarded. anybody who disagrees is also retarded. or do you have 15+ years of experience in the military, as a paramedic and competitive shooter that say otherwise? because i do.
The "searching near the border" is basically our replacement for border control. Since our borders are open, random checks of cars and people which have passed the border are necessary to counter smuggling. They are mostly looking for drugs and weapons. Also, there is MUCH more police around in Germany than you might be aware of, especially when it comes to traffic control. Often they are just mingling with people, observing, and you'll only notice them if they have to act on something. It's not that Germans don't take the notion of racial profiling seriously, but at the same time if you know that you have a huge problem with criminal bands from country X in an area, it absolutely makes sense to pay more attention to people who look like they belong to this specific group. It is just difficult to figure out at which point "okay, this makes sense" ends and "well, this is just racist" starts, unless naturally a police officers goes over the line and mistreats someone during a control for no reason whatsoever. At the same time it is difficult to figure out when you have a police officers stepping out of line and at which point you have a systemic problem (I am pretty sure we have a systemic problem in Bavaria and Saxony, but I don't think that it is present in all of Germany, it depends on the Bundesland). Btw, the weapons excuse is nonsense. Our police can storm a drug den full of weapons with nobody even daring to draw a knife. That is partly because it makes a huge difference in your punishment if you own a weapon or if you try to use it (which is not the case in the US where you are already punished harshly for the most minor offenses if you happen to belong to the wrong group), partly because nobody seriously expects to just get shoot by the police as long as you keep calm. Anyway, when I am in the US and the police would stop me, I would keep the hands where they can see them because I would be afraid of a trigger-happy cop. When I am stopped in Germany by the police I do it, because I don't want the cop to be afraid of me, since it does happen that people shot police officers during traffic stops, and I don't want to stress them out more than they most likely already are. This change in attitude in me is mostly based on the different attitude of the cops.
Regarding racial profiling: the issue is that right now we just don't know. Most telling was Seehofer's reaction to an EU recommendation of, you know, just checking whether there is an issue. So Seehofer declares that that's not necessary and therefore there is no problem. Personally I do believe that all those supposedly "arbitrary checks" aren't nearly as arbitrary as some like to pretend; whether it's primarily about race or about aspects like the type of clothes you wear, your hairstyle and so on ... well, ordinarily I'd have leaned towards this explanation since it fits better with my personal experiences. But after years of a systematic refusal to engage with the idea of racial profiling in any meaningful way the politicians basically managed to make me automatically suspicious about what the police is doing. It's just not a productive approach; just look into it, clear the air - if there's a problem, fix it, if not, fantastic ...
Our Innenminister (secretary of the interior) rejected the idea of doing a study on racial profiling, because - in his words - it doesn't happen, since it's illegal! Yes, sure, Herr Seehofer! We don't have murder, burglary and so on in Germany, *because all these things are illegal* - is that what you're saying? Even police unions in Germany want this study to find out about racial profiling. Now, a couple of German states are making an effort to get this study done themselves. I'm sure Mr. Seehofer won't like the results, although I think they won't be half as bad as the existing situation in the USA.
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Hey, I liked your video but there is just one thing that made me curious. I know it's custom to say race in the us to refare to people who look apart from each other (skin color etc) but the way you used it made me shiver a little cos in fact there are no human races. In my opinion we should never use this thermology since it's one of the sneeky parts of racism. As long as the people use it even with no bad intention it may let others think that there are different races 'cos everyone uses these word'. And then the thought 'we all know different races have different values like with racing horses and what not' maybe is not that far away. So it fuels racism cos 'if there are different races with different attributes and different values why not treat them diffrent?' Maybe I'm to sensitive with this topic but yeah I just leave you the Wikipedia link to it de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassentheorie
Hello, Marcel. Thank you for your comment. I am well aware that race is a social construct but just because humans invented this concept and there is indeed no biological difference between so-called races, people with different skin tones and facial features have historically been treated differently. I totally get where you are coming from, but at the same time, I feel like the concept isn't disappearing and instead of being "color-blind" we should embrace our similarities and differences.
This is a language confusion you'll also find in academic debates. In German and some other languages (French for example) the preferred word to express essentially the same concept but minus its historical misuse is "ethnicity". Obvious historical reasons are obvious. Frankly with how often the use of words is debated in the US these days I'm kinda baffled that there's seemingly not much of a discussion of this one. I mean, just recently IT people started removing "master / slave" designations for their historical context, despite everyone knowing that stuff like source code management never ever had anything at all to do with human slavery. Yet it's seen as problematic. Meanwhile "race" was actually - and frankly still is - absolutely horrifyingly misused ... and nobody cares? ... Anyways, based on the same, but it's funny in its predictability, - if you ever want to see a German completely shocked or even outraged show them any sort of official US form (like a college application or census questionnaire or whatever) that includes a checkbox for your "race". Oh, and absolutely never ever translate those literally, in case that's not obvious.
As a south European born in raised in Germany I can confirm there is racial profiling from the German police too. I was more than once controlled on the train by them Regional Bahn Münster Westf / Emden
Yeah, it kinda sucks. I never had to deal with profiling of any kind becouse I look like a teen, yet I stay away from things that would need an age check (like buying alkohol), but I can easily imagine how anoying it is to get profiled only becouse people looking similar to you do bad things. Profiling is 90% of the time based on collected data, and I can't really be angry at them for using it, but it must still suck for the people involved. Panks have to deal with that a lot too from what I heard, becouse there scene is known for drug abuse and starting fights. It must be hella anoying for someone to get controled multiple times just becouse you're a Punk and a view bad apples ruined the reputation of the scene. (Kinda reminds me of the online behaviour of judging fandoms based on the behaviour of there bad apples. Maybe it's a human thing?) Ah, sorry, I started rambling! That comment got longer than I intented! >.
Here's an interesting Ted-Talk about the difference in German and US Prison and Law Enforcement, by District Attorney* Jeff Rosen. ruclips.net/video/wtV5ev6813I/видео.html . Maybe some inspiration and research material for your planned video _(yes I read video descriptions, I know I'm weird )_ . I love the transparency and honesty about your criminal record and the jaywalking confession ✊🏿🌈☮ _Edit: forgot link_ 🤦🏼♂️
This change in US is one of the positives of technology making policing visible. Segregation was recent in US history . I imagine that education in this area is poor in American schools where racism needs to be addressed. The pandemic has highlighted poverty amongst whole population. All Americans that have moved to Europe/ Scandanavia etc need to go home and educate the rest that USA is nowhere near the greatest country in the world. Maybe in Americans eyes richest/most powerful = no 1.
A good example of German police brutality is what happened during the G20 protests in Hamburg in 2017. Loads of people who were peacefully protesting, hell, even journalists and innocent bystanders who weren't part of the protests, reported being attacked by police for no good reason, having excessive force used against them, etc. and very little was done about it afterwards by the authorities which is infuriating. I do believe that German police is, on average, doing a decent job but there's definitely a lot of room for improvement, as well.
funny that you dont mention the flagstones that were thrown out of the windows with the sole reason to hit the police on the head and potentially kill them. But I do agree, there is always room for improvement on both sides. And adrenalin shouldn't ever be running so high on the police side that they start randomly attacking people.
Interesting that you call yourself both white and Asian-American. Sure, there are white asians, but I'd consider the term white in that sense to exclude asian. Glad to see you going so in depth on this though!
I've had some difficulty trying to fully understand my own identity as someone who is mixed race. My mother is white and my father was Asian and I have experienced both privilege because of that whiteness and discrimination because of being Asian. I can only speak of my own experiences.
I agree to nearly everything that you said but there is one think i want to point out and from my point of view this is the reason why it is so difficult to solve this problems. It is a multidimensional issue. As an example: I assume that the rate of killed cops in the USA is also higher then in Germany. And now we are talking about gun laws. In such an environment it would not surprise me if a cop is faster on using a weapon then in Germany. But why loves the society their gun? Maybe a leak of trust into the government and/or police!? And by the way... and you can not argue that there is no difference between black and white and bring up a statistic where white people are using more drugs. ;)
I have another number for you. German police officers consume an average of 80 rounds a year for training and on duty. American police officers consume 80 rounds per arrest. In addition there is the fundamentally different appearance. German police officers try to make themselves almost invisible. American police seem more like an enemy occupying arm. I still know the old GDR. Only there did I feel more monitored than in the USA.
Den Grad der Zivilisation einer Gesellschaft kann man am Zustand ihrer Gefangenen ablesen. The degree of civilization of a society can be measured by the condition of its prisoners. Fjodor Michailowitsch Dostojewski (1821 - 1881)
I am 48 years old. my English is a bit rusty. with all the statistics and comparisons, between the usa and germany .... don't forget that 84 million people live here in germany on the surface of the us state texas ... i mean that the private space is much less for everyone . because the population density is higher! i think that the usa should invest less in aircraft carriers, but more in its citizens. 24 carriers should be enough ...... russia has only one ... china 2 ...... france an england 2 ...... germany has none ...... the problem with guns, well if you still want to be cowboys buy horses ..... or grow up and learn to solve your problems in a different way than with guns ....Tayloor ,bleib hier in deutschland . Du past nicht in die USA ,denn Du bist ein sozial eingestellter mensch ......und sozialisten haben keine chance in den USA ....
I'm not fan of easy solutions to complicated problems, but I guess that we can bundle the problems ppl are facing in the US right now as well as those topics Taylor mentioned about the german police, at one point: The idea of human races. First of all, I am german, so I know exactly what racism is. The nazi mindset was the most possible cumilation of the racist ideology. We can only overcome rasicm if we do it in the hard way. There are no human races. We are all the same. No matter if you are of european, middle eastern, african or asian heritage. We have to erase the idea of human races in our own mindsets, if we want to evlove as humanity and rise above the mistakes done by our ancestors. There are no human races. BLM
This would be the ideal outcome, but I have a hard time believing that, as humans, we will ever be able to fully dismantle the social concept of race. We are so focused on "us vs them" and one of the easiest and laziest ways of differentiating is through physical appearance. The best we can do is have these important discussions and teach the next generation better!
Thank you for this contribution! The more people speak out, the better. Here's a link to the Harvard Implicit Association Test which can give you an insight into your latent biases RE different ethnicities, etc.: implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html As for Germany, I'm also attaching one of many articles about the rise of right-wing extremism RE police/army: www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/sendungen/das_forum/Rechtsextremismus-bei-der-Polizei,sendung986396.html Last, having lived in La. for a long time, I've seen discrimination against black/brown people quite regularly. Racism is a systemic issue in the US.
If you put two officers next to each other, a german one and an American one, you can easily tell who is who, even if they are wearing civil. The bulky one is the American. Well, I admit, that is a kind of prejudice, but mostly it is correct, isn't it? To me, that implies that a certain type of people are attracted by the job that do not really belong there. That is not to say that only slim people can pe good police officers!
I believe that in Germany you more often find physical assessments throughout a police officers career whereas in the US it is more likely that you will only have to pass physical assessments when in training.
@@taylorintransit3421 I think Lupus is right, when he considers my opinion a prejudice. But in many cases a prejudice is correct in most of the cases. You just have to remember that "most" is not the same as "all".
Racial profiling is not based in a causality of race und criminal actions. Race is one natural attribute to identify persons. Some criminial offenses are statistically related more to groups which can by identified by specific racial attributes. So it is no discrimination to select them by race. The problem is the climate of disrespect and repression. Often people with specifc racial attributes which are target of police actions are treated in such a bad way with no plausible reason. The US has a very special violence problem. Much things are violance related. Police work and penal system have a tendency to be brutal and inhuman. The police have an intimidating appearance instead of being sovereign. If the authorities tend to brutality and disrespecfulness the citizns do so too. That creates an self-reinforcing spiral of violence.
Racial profiling definitely exists. I had an acquaintance from Vietnam, who was stoped and controlled 2 times a day on the way to work and back, almost every single day. The only difference I see, at no time, he was afraid to get shot. But the amount of harassment was not funny.
I'm sorry that your friend went through that. I can imagine it's uncomfortable and feels very unfair to be singled out for nothing other than your ethnicity...
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Tbh I really think the biggest problem with the police and that's both in the US and in Germany is this culture of silence. It's just too hard to prosecue a police officer and that'S not just because they are super smart at erasing their own tracks, but that even when there are witnesses, footage, evidence they are protecting each other. I think that's what make me angriest. Because all this 'one bad cop' rhetoric doesn't get you anywhere when the good cops don't stand against them. It's not like cases of police brutality just happen in some shady street corners where a single police officer beas up a civilian. But often there is another police officer close by who just watches. (Or even multiple at a demonstration or major event, though I can understand the situation being tense and emotions running high in such an event). I mean what are they doing? Their job is to stop crime, apprehend criminals and investigate the crime scene, but because of some bullshit loyalty between each other, the moment their colleague becomes a criminal, most police officers just seem to stand by and watch. While we have a lot less cases in germany of police brutality, and thankfully only very few that end in somebody's death. Even here it's the same. If a police officer beats up a passer-by without reason and five other cops stand around and witness the situation... good luck finding anybody testifying against their colleague.
I completely agree with you. There is a concept called qualified immunity which has protected police for decades from being held accountable for excessive use of force. Police really shouldn't be able to police themselves...
"rascism is our (white) fault" be more specific. All white ever? all white americans? all white way back when slavery was a thing? what about the chinese? they are pretty racist. are they white too? discrimination is in human nature (guess why kids bully each other and why different tribes wages war against another). you can only overcome discrimination with education. rascism in the US is due to a awful education system and poor integration (ghettos, white neighborhoods, china town, etc) but otherwise good video. i like you statistical competence.
In the US, it is white Americans fault. It was our ancestors who perpetuated slavery, it was our grandparents and great grandparents that perpetuated segregation, and it our fault for staying silent while structural racism persists in the country. I know very well that not every individual is to blame and that there are many people who have fought for racial justice throughout history, but as the "race" with more political, economic and social power, we should really do some self reflection as to how we have the responsibility to create a country where there is equal opportunity.
In America, there's only two types of cops: bullies and victims of bullies. In Amerika gibt es nur zwei Arten von Polizisten: Mobber und Opfer von Mobbern.
Please this is what I am facing right now last month them take me to the hospital with my son and the hospital don't bring my son back them are looking for a way to take my son away from me
in gerany u get although get sometimes cause they are bored nad Need something to write for their patrol record….ive been stopped and ask ..did i something wrong....na u were the only car around and we stopped u just to c how ur doin....
Racial profiling can be useful from time to time. Some examples. In the 90's there was huge amount of dealing tax free cigarettes. The dealers were often vietnamese. So if the police would see a vietnamese at one of these spots that were know as dealng places the would of course watch him more closely than other people. Today they look after black people. It is normal because a big share of them are refugees. So there is always a chance that they cought someone violating the place of residence they have and in bigger cities like Cologne there are problems with gangs from North Africa. There is no point in wasting the time checking on unsuspicious white people when you have a bunch of black young people hanging around at certain places. I don't want to say that white people do less cirmes but there are certain crimes that a linked with certain places and ethnic groups.
You know that buying drugs is not legal either, don't you? So they could go for the customers? Anyhows.... racial profiling is not what you describe in the first case you mention... Your assumption that refugees are mostly black... yeah, that one is if you then go on as you do.
I think that there is a difference between knowing the race of a known drug crime ring and simply believing that refugees are more likely to commit random crimes. I think if there is a specific crime with specific evidence against people known to have committed said crime, then it is fine to use identifying physical features. And if there ARE certain crimes that are associated with certain ethnic groups, then local and state governments should be doing more to understand why this is true. Do they feel a lack of purpose because they can't get permission to work or study? Do they feel vilified by their community? Like I said in the video, people aren't more or less likely to commit crime because of their ethnicity, but rather because of their life circumstances such as poverty or social alienation.
My experience with racism with the German police: I has a car accident with a car from the Netherlands, the driver looked middle eastern. Even after I explained that mostly my behavior caused the accident, not the other driver, I was treated much better than him. The were very nice to me and even gave a bit of advice while there were pretty rude to the other driver. Another thing I noticed with the German police is that especially riot police (Hundertschaften) seems to like violence and sometimes provokes it. In addition to that police is often blind in the right eye but hyper focussed on the left. With that I mean is that they're more likely to ignore crimes of "Neo Nazis" and similar groups but really like to crack down on antifascists and other activists (also nature protection and animal rights activists).
There are apparently even more similarities between Germany and the US than I previously though. There are also many in the military and police that are right-wing. I just read an article about Germany disbanding the KSK because of similar issues.
@@taylorintransit3421 Yes, it's not just the KSK though, a lot of the Bundeswehr has similar problems Even more disturbing is the Verfassungsschutz, they are often involved in right wing crimes (they have undercover agents or informants in those groups) and supply them with weapons. Many older high ranking people there also worked in other secret police forces before, eg Stasi or Gestapo. However, when an official investigation starts (the NSU murders for example) they're either sending the investigators completely blanked out documents (top secret) or the documents suddenly disappear. They also use other bureaucratic obstacles to slow down the investigation. Disappearing evidence is something that happens often anyways in right wing crime investigations. In cases of police violence from the Hundertschaften the police agents are meant to wear body cams to provide evidence. These body cams work just fine for evidence against protesters but "suddenly" stop recording if the police becomes too violent. Similar to American and many other police forces, the police agents have unwritten rulesets to not tell on other police agents. Whistle blowers are punished by social isolation and putting them on jobs where they can do "no harm". I don't have a lot of hard data for the things I told, it's just what I read in papers and heard from others (I know some people that often join protests). So please take it with a grain of salt. Nevertheless I feel safe in Germany and believe most police agents don't want to harm people. They're generally mellow and helpful if you ask them something in public. They like to get a bit of respect though. In the Netherlands people have way less respect of the police from what I noticed.
social profiling by Race in Germany hmm , i would say empirical values meet this Term more . There arent enough Jobs for all the Refugees in Germany , no Job , not much money means often Crime to a higher degree than to Germans who have a Job , a Car , a House .. , you know what i mean ? I am German , English is not my Home Language .. There is a Reason why People of Color are more stopped and checked by the Police , but not with that brutality like in the US . Sadly there are the far right , these People exist everywhere .. , they are raciest , in Germany as well as in the US , its uncommon to find one of them in the Police in Germany i guess . In the US , depending on the State , for example in the South , you will find more in the US Police i think
I agree that when you take away legitimate economic channels, people will move to illegal channels. This is something that should be taken more seriously rather than waiting for crimes to happen and then prosecuting.
Taylor;I usually like your videos,because they are well researched and well structured.But on this topic your emotions let you fail!I am asthonished,that after all your time in Germany,you do not ackknowledge,that the main difference between US and German police is,that these countries have completely different jurisdictional systems!Germany has "Civil aka Roman/Napoleonic Law";The US have a "Twisted Version of Common Law".In Civil Law the is no such extreme stupendous thing like "Common/Sovereign Immunity".It is next to impossible to made a police officer liable for his deeds in the US.And they know it! A German police officer knows,that he/she will never get away with the same ridiculous shit,as an American does! A German is and will be made accountable for every single shot he/she fires.Hit and kill an innocent bystander,you might not go to prison,but for the rest of your career you sharpen penciles and file dogtags.Also German police per law,MUST NOT use military equippment!
Hi, kümmere dich nicht um die Länge des Videos, wenn etwas gesagt werden muss und eine gewisse Zeit dauert dann ist das ebenso. Es macht keinen Sinn nur das halbe Problem zu besprechen. Go on Change the world.
You are too informative, too intelligent, Too German in a way, too superior, too elaborate, too straight, too serious, too little girly, too little funny, too little flirtatious, too little playful, too little smiling, too less uplifting, not a bit American, to ever make it big on RUclips. You better become an advocat or judge. You like to give guidance and nobody will take it. There are so many people on YT, who smile and grin and who have nothing of substance to say and who do big by smile and looks. For you, I fear, YT is not the right medium. I hope so much I am wrong. Good luck! I like your way.
Stop calling people black, yellow, red or white would be a good start for you. We aren't white, black is brown and you aren't yellow. Use other terms to describe people.
Training: 19 weeks on average in the USA, to more than 2.5 years (ie 30 weeks minimum) in Germany. Also psychological evaluation of potential police officers is a requirement, both for application as well as during their jobs.
Racial profiling in Germany is illegal, but unluckily it still happens. In many cases it is applied more to "Arabian" looking ethnicities but it also happens to POC.
This has to stop, or at the very least be minimized as much as possible. Because humans being human means there will always be some a-hole somewhere in any sufficiently large group of people.
Stopping and asking someone for an ID is a basic right of police officers in Germany. Usually it has to be due to certain aspects that apply to that person, such as an "offener Haftbefehl", an open APB by cops. If someone resembles such a person cops do have reason to stop and require an ID. BUUUUUT to stop and search someone there has to be a much stronger suspicion. While this is not a huge protection for POC it does quickly move Polizeibeamte into the illegal spot fairly quickly if they exceed their rights. Because any person has some basic rights. So even if you are stopped and searched for closely resembling a wanted criminal the cops still have to treat you with as much dignity as possible. I am completely aware that this does not always occur, but the person has a legal right to it, and the cops DO break a law if they do NOT treat you with dignity.
Compare that to the USA where nearly any amount of force is legally sanctioned to apprehend a potential suspect.
The cops in the USA don't have to give a flying f'k about the dignity of even a possible suspect, much less a wanted criminal.
THAT is the major difference between the USA and Germany.
There is an "Antidiskriminierungsstelle" that is an official place where people feeling discriminated may voice their grievances in Germany.
www.antidiskriminierungsstelle.de/DE/Home/home_node.html
www.antidiskriminierungsstelle.de/EN/Home/home_node.html (for English)
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A cop in Germany has to register EVERY shot fired from his "Dienstwaffe", his offical cop gun. The number of people killed in Germany in 2018 was officially 11 (as per the Polizeistatistik). While the suspected number might be higher (even the most radical left wing Antifa groups assume only about double to triple the number), the assumed total of 33 people killed in Germany would still be significantly lower than in the USA (assuming we can trust the official numbers from the USA and we take the much higher estimates for Germany).
The total number of people shot by cops in Germany since *1952* is around 510 as per official statistics. That is half of what US cops shoot in a year.
I guess you meant 30 month.
The claim the police can hide killings is weird given the police statistics include suicides by police officers with their service weapon as well as accidents. So one could assume intentional or callous deaths being moved to the accident category but that would not change the total number.
All depends health of police. If they are mentally ill the results are on public.
In Europe, "police officer" is a profession, not a job someone does because his qualifications dont suffice for other jobs.
Well said, my friend..very well said!
Sure there are police officers and there are others. I hope you get treated by your color then maybe you will understand.We all remember what Germans did and the world knows your not well.
"... then fix your gun problem ... " I loved that exclamation!
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According to the sources that I could find the average training time for police officers in the US is 19 weeks - not 19 months.
You are right about that. Average that is. I think it was Idaho, where you literally get send to the streets to police, before you have done a single day of training.
not even half a year? that's a bad joke, right?
Yep, the rule is that you have to train within a year, but how this training exactly looks like isn't specified. You can basically have someone on the force with no training at all for a full year and even then just send said person to a short training.
In the USA it is a short course approximately 105 days. Of this short period of time the major part of the education is gun practice and self defense. Only 35 days !!! of their course is devoted to: how to master stress, humanity, cultural differences, and ethics. Need I say more ?
@@peterpritzl3354 Yes, you would need to say more, or just something else. There are no police-training standarts in the US, yet you pretend that they "all train 105 days".
Well done, a very good video to an important item which likely affects everybody.
A story from my experience with US police, I must admit that I have less experience with german police, just a few cases due to traffic control (mostly speed conrtols but also random check of cars) and one case where a neighbour touched my car during parking.
During a business trip in US (rural area appr. 100km far from Chicago) my rental care broke down in the late afternoon, just before it becomes dark. I managed to phone to the rental car company (had no mobile phone with me, year 2001) by knocking on the door of one of the neighbourhood houses (area where rich people live).The rental car company liked to send a replacement vehicle (picked up on a lorry). I went back to the broken car, meanwhile it was dark outside. Sitting in the car and waiting, after a while two persons knocked heavily on my car, boom, immediately a very bright flashlight was shining into my face, in the first second I was totaly shocked as the presence of these persons has suprised me. I had not oserved that anybody came close to my car. What are you doing here was the question they asked me after I have opened the window, I recognised Police officers, I was forced to come out of the car, they wanted all documents (driving lisence, passport, rental car contract), they were very suspicious against me, my feeling was that they havn't believed me. They asked me how I managed it to get in contact with the rental car company, I had to demonstrate that the car does not work, how long I will stay in US, where is my residence, the reason why I'm in US and so on, the were very unfriendly, no offering for help. At the end they left me with hint I should take care. Over all it was a very shocking experience to get in contact with the US police. Every time when I see police cars on the highway or anywhere else I try to do everything in the best way so that there should be no reason that they will pick me, I like to avoid to get in contact with US police officers.
This is different to Germany, in case of an emergency situation I would consider to get in contact with police, depending on the situation maybe they could help me.
It´s so sad... When I was young, I looked UP to the USA. But since the middle of the 80th things went downhill. Now I´m speechless and look deep DOWN
Not sure if you have seen it, but in terms of prison, there are quite a few videos up on RUclips because the US government turned to Germany a few years back to get a better understanding of why Germany has such a low rate if returning prisoners. There is even a very good discussion on that topic from a conference that shows pictures and explains a lot.
About police violence in Germany: We have 3 big crime areas where police will often use any means necessary: criminal gangs like the Hells Angels, organisations like Mafia or militant right wingers and riot violence often on the 1. of May by left wingers that need their once-a-year street war with the police. Normally you will not see a German police officer pull a gun, because every instance of violence even if not executed but only threatened comes with a ton of paperwork.
About racial profiling in Germany: yes, it exists. Police calls it "kriminalistische Erfahrung" (criminalistic experience). Meaning: black people have been cought often for drug dealing, so searching them will more likely lead to a cought criminal then searching a white person. That will of course mean that they will also stop Innocents just because of their skin color. It is something that grew over time through social problems and now it's very hard to overcome for both sides and now it's not fair and it is something worth fighting for. On both sides. The question we need to ask as well is: why have they been so prevailing in for example drug dealing? Is that because of their lack of chances to get a good salary that they are pushed into crime? What can we do against it? How can we get those people off the street without sending them to prison? In the end we all want the same: lead a peaceful life. Police should focus on removing only the truly rotting eggs.
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@@peterpritzl3354 yes, for example
I will be looking into more videos on the difference between prisons! Thanks for the recommendation!
And something very different with the use of deadly force is the aftermath. In Germany every case is investigated by homicide of a _different_ department.
that is literally the case in the USA, take the recent case where the Georgia bureau of investigation is in charge of investigating the shooting in Atlanta. It's not just a different department but a specialised internal investigations division that does nothing else in the entire state.
@@texasranger24 Sorry i wasn't specific. I tried to read it up, but from what I gathered, in the USA it looks more like an internal review/investigation and only sometime later the attornys office is presented a carefully tailored report on which it is decided if the attorny gets involved or not. In Germany it is the other way around. The attornys office opens an investigation based on a murder or manslaughter charge and then the other department in brought in. The internal review is independent of that.
You said 19 month but i heard its only about 19 weeks from different shows in the US and germany. So its not double. Its about 6 times as long
You're getting information from TV shows? Not saying your statistics are wrong, but you should check them with a credible source.
These article is very depicting: "German police used only 85 bullets against people in 2011" which is the amount of bullets the NYPD uses in two days. And that is just one town.
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/german-police-used-only-85-bullets-against-people-2011/328297/
From these 85 bullets, 36 were warning shots.
What i don't get, every american seems to know they have problems, but the system seems so festered, that nothing really chances, it seems to get even worse.
I witness the damage, Trump does, despite the social unrest. And all the republicans happily go along with this. It is so obvious, and still, Trump and his entourage have such a big base.
Do americans need more awareness, how other industrial countries look at and treat their society ?
Dabei sollten wir nicht vergessen, dass es in den usa mehr Waffen als Leute gibt. Liegt es dann nicht irgendwie auf der Hand, dass bei bei Auseinandersetzungen mehr Murmeln verbraucht werden? 😕
Never had a problem with the police here in Germany - at every encounter they acted with professional courtesy to get to the bottom of things, usually to clear up a misconception or misunderstanding, making sure things stay within the law, with leeway depending on the individual officers' evaluation of the situation.
I had a problem once...my sister got pulled over and her boyfriend had a little bit too much to drink to drive. Which was okay, but then they left her in her drunken state alone in the middle of the night in the area which is basically the "Straßenstrich" of our city, and didn't even allow her to retrieve her purse from the car beforehand. Thankfully her boyfriend managed to give her his handy, so she could call a taxi which I then paid after she arrived at home, but to this day I don't understand why they couldn't have taken her with them, too, or at least put her into the taxi herself, instead of leaving a drunk young woman (nearly a teen) alone without any money on her.
All thus said, that was ONE encounter out of multiple ones, in all the other cases they were completely friendly and professional. Not at all like the one encounter I had with the American police. That one was terrifying, and if the police is acting towards a white family of tourists the way they acted towards us, I shudder to think what happens when they encounter their own citizens, especially if racism plays into it.
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Warum sollten die Polizisten sie irgendwo hinfahren? Die Polizei ist kein Taxiunternehmen.
Deine Schwester war doch selber schuld, da sie selbst entschieden hat, trotz Alkoholkonsum (ein Bier oder ein Glas Wein, bringt niemanden auch nur annähernd über die erlaubte Grenze von 0,5 Promille) sich hinters Steuer zu setzten und ihr eigenes Fehlverhalten hat sie in diese Situation gebracht.
Dt. Ordnungshüter sind nicht dazu da, die Konsequenzen deines eigenen Fehlverhaltens auszubaden, sondern um die öffentliche Ordnung aufrecht zu erhalten, in dem sie dafür sorgen die vorhandene Regeln eingehalten werden.
Ich persönlich hatte vor Jahren eine ähnliche Situation, bei der ich meine Brille nicht dabei hatte und dann nachts auf dem Heimweg nach Hause kontrolliert wurde.
Ich dürfte dann mein Auto auch nicht weiter bewegen und mir ein Taxi, irgendwo mitten in die Walachei rufen.
Natürlich war es unvorteilhaft und hat zusätzliches Geld gekostet aber aber dafür war ich dafür war ich ganz allein verantwortlich und nicht die Polizisten.
@PPfilmemacher Du hast meine Geschichte nicht verstanden. Es geht nicht darum, dass ihr Freund angehalten worden ist, oder darum, dass sie Geld für das Taxi ausgeben muss, es geht darum, dass sie es ihr aktiv zu schwer wie möglich gemacht haben, sicher nach Hause zu kommen.
Sie sollen sie nicht irgendwo hinfahren, sie sollen sie entweder mit auf die Wache nehmen oder aber ihr erlauben, ihren Geldbeutel und ihr Handy aus dem Auto zu holen. Wenn ihr Freund ihr nicht heimlich (HEIMLICH!!!!) sein Handy zugesteckt hätte, dann hätte sich mitten in der Nacht alleine ohne Telefon und ohne Geld im gefährlichsten Stadtteil gestanden. Da hätte sie sich auch kein Taxi rufen können. Da wäre sie angetrunken über den Straßenstrich gelaufen. Außerdem hat auch nicht SIE hinterm Steuer gesessen, das war ihr Freund, sie war nur der Beifahrer und selbst zu angetrunken um wirklich einschätzen zu können, wie angetrunken ER war. Es war dumm, aber das ist kein Grund sie in Gefahr zu bringen. Wie so etwas Enden kann, konnte man dann einige Jahre später sehen. Da haben sich Polizisten entschlossen einen angetrunkenen Teen leichtbekleidet auf der Landstraße auszusetzen. Das ist dann so geendet, dass er angefahren wurde und noch an Ort und Stelle starb. Und ja, die beiden Polizisten sind deswegen wegen fahrlässiger Tötung angeklagt und auch verurteilt worden.
Die Polizei sind nicht nur Ordnungshüter, ihr oberster Job ist die Bevölkerung zu beschützen. Auch vor unserer eigener Dummheit. Wenn du das nicht verstehst, dann hast du die Rolle der Polizei nicht verstanden.
@@PPfilmemacher Blödsinn!Das im Stich lassen einer hilflosen Person ist ein Strafdelikt!Mehrfach sind Polizisten verurteilt worden!
Hi Taylor, again a wonderful video and I agree with the content. I feel encouraged to add some very personell ideas to the differences and try to keep it as short as possible.
One huge difference is in the constitutions of the US and Germany. The US constitution inits major parts dates back from the late 18th century. In that time it was the forefront of philosphical ideas from the era of enlightment in Europe. This era led to also to the french revolution and further more. Central point of the US constitution is the freedom. But the philophical ideas were developing since then and you can see the results in the german constitution: Freedom ins not longer the central point in it but human dignity. Article 1 of the german constition:
"(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.
(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.
(3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive and the judiciary as directly applicable law."
This is a fundamental difference and it was. Article 1 overshines all other (even basic) rights in germany. It is mindsetting in the culture and a need to know if you want to understand the difference. With this right of human dignity (and freedom is an important part of it) all the following rights are getting a deeper sence. Example: Freedom for whom, for what, from what or whom, what is it aiming for? Answer: Human dignity! Human Dignity without Fredom of speech, religion and so on? Not possible! Such a fundamental change in a constitution can only be made, when a Nation or Country is broken and down, like Germany in 1949 after Nazi-time and war. No wonder that other Countries in similar situations later imported these ideas and took the german constitution as an ideal. For example "newer Democracies" in South America and Asia and in Africa (the South African Constitution is a typical example). The Us was (luckily) never in such a situation in modern times. So there´s no reason to blame. It needs a lot of pressure to come to such a point of fundamental changes.
If it´s the states most important duty to protect the human dignity, you´ll find the results of this task in all part of the society: Legislation, Judiciary, Excutive (incl. Police). Here all the pieces of a puzzle come together: Social Wellfare, Health System for all, free education, equality (e.g. no racism), Mothers protection, parental leave, human treatment of prisoners, help for refugees and a lot more. Many US people regard this as Socialism, but it isn´t, because the individual human being is in the absolute center - even more than in the US.
To the differences of enforcements by police: All policewomen and -men absolve at least a study whith a Bachelor Degree. And the pre-selection is very tough (in the 90ies I lectured about constitutional rights at such a University of applied Siences for Publc Administration). At a Demonstration it the first task of police to protect the use of constitutional rights (free speech, right of public gatherings and so on) of the protesters against disturbances.
Please don´t get me wrong: here are misbehaviors of policewomen and -men as well as racism. I think this is a question of Character and Intelligence, but it is whithout Question simply illegal and will be punished.
But all in all the most important difference is the impact of Human Dignity as a leading Idea in Germany.
Sorry, it was getting much longer than I intened.
Thank you again for your wonderful video.
Dettmar
You're really spot on, great comment.
"... All policewomen and -men absolve at least a study whith a Bachelor Degree..." That´s incorrect. See e. g. here: www.ausbildung.de/berufe/polizist/
@@peterfischer7084 Hi Peter, you're right. I was generalising to keep it short. The systems in the federal states are a bit different. But all states offer that studies. Only some states offer an opportunity to start a Ausbildung without studies for the lower tasks. Most states demand studies with a Bachelor Degree (or equivalent) as a minimum. Example: Police Bremen.
There's a good comparison in Wikipedia (Polizei Ausbildung).
But all in all you're right.
Have nice day.
@@dettmardencker7430 Sorry, but that still seems incorrect. Not every police officer has to have a bachelor degree as becomes obvious if you look at the pay grades they can reach. There are officers below paygrade A9 ("Laufbahngruppe 1, mittlerer Dienst") who don´t have to have a bachelor degree. It would be a bit over the top anyway to require a bachelor degree for menial police jobs. However, I´ll give you that the general level of education seems to have increased. It´s quite a difference when I compare my (limited) experience of 50 years ago (I had a granduncle who was a police officer and was unable to write a proper report) with todays.
This is a really important comparison that you make! I think Americans focus much too often on the idea of freedom without regard for what personal freedoms can cost others.
Normally I would be tempted to write a 7 page RUclips comment on the topic, but this time I just want to thank you for being a voice of reason.
A couple days ago a saw a video from the arresting of a black guy, he did something wrong of course, but it wasn't that big deal and around 10 police cars arrived to arrest on guy, he was fixed and all of the cops had something like machine guns in their hands. And more and more arrived to get involved into the situation.
Shooting in Germany is the last option for a police officer in Germany and it takes a lot of action that a police officer will use his weapon. The word should be the first and the strongest weapon and respectful acting in both ways.
We as the society have to do a lot and change it.
A problem in the US is police labor union that protect all that violence and is not able to work out these problems.
They hide the officers and the bad issues without any chance to change something.
Thanks for sharing and talking about that difficult topic!
The problem isn't unions you dishonest right wing propaganda spewing simp.
@ Damn, you having a bad day?!
The roaming police cars do conduct traffic stops. But usually you have to bend/break really important rules. As you said, really minor offences are often handled more relaxed.
And as others already pointed out the average training for police officers in the USA is 19 weeks. Even the bouncers in Germany have to go through a longer training....
Hallo Taylor, ich finde es sehr erfrischend (und beruhigend), dass du dich in diesem und auch einem der vorherigen Videos so klar und direkt äußerst und eindeutig Stellung beziehst - Hut ab! Und bitte mach weiter so! Ich hoffe sehr, dass dein Kanal auch von (jungen) AmerikanerInnen gesehen wird, die dadurch vielleicht angeregt werden, sich kritischer mit ihrem Land und den politischen Verhältnissen dort auseinanderzusetzen - oder sich (durch deinen kritischen Blick von außen) in ihren politischen Ansichten bestätigt sehen!
Thank you for this great video. If you'd asked me whether there's some racial profiling going on in Germany, I would have said yes, but I didn't know there were statistics and an investigation. Thanks for making me aware of that!
Thank you for these kinds of videos! It so important to educate and therefore and even bigger thank you for providing resources to read up on!
The Police in Germany is still doing traffic control in person. More often on the highways, but also on the very small roads. The difference is, that besides some ongoing controls like in case of the Highway Police, it's done occasionally or to press the issue. Sometimes they even on purpose do the controls but without the penalties, just to make people aware of the rules they are breaking and pointing out the good reasons behind the laws. The approach is to make people obey the laws, not necessarily via punishment but via many means including communication.
This also depends on the exact legal situation and the kind of cases they’re investigating into.
Legal situation in Germany: while a photo (from a speed camera) can be used to determine the exact car, the actual driver is to be fined, and this can be tricky to investigate for.
That’s why any speeding tickets are being sent to the owner of the car, who then may name the actual driver and redirect the charges to them - or simply pay the fine and so acknowledge to be the driver.
However, there’s a special legal loophole in that process: you can decline to blame your direct family members. Doing so usually stops the investigations and voids any fines, as the alternative is a fully blown court case, which may easily spend effort, time and money, and so may even be rejected by the court due to lack of public interest in prosecution of a minor offence.
However, if you’re doing this multiple times, you as the owner of the car may end in court and be required to manage a logbook on who has been driving the car, so this logbook then can be used in future cases to determine the actual driver. Yet there’s another loophole on that case as well: the logbook requirement is only enforced on the car with the current registration code, so obtaining a new registration for your car will give you new license plates with a new number and void that logbook requirement.
To avoid such issues for more dangerous cases, German police also does stop a driver after having witnessed such an offence (say: extreme speeding, reckless driving). By doing so, they can immediately assert on who’s been driving and so will need to be charged. On spot, they may also seize car keys or the driving license to prevent further incidents, take notes on who has also been in the car and check the car (say, for illegal modifications).
There’s also routine checks on some roads, like when trucks are rerouted to a parking spot next to the Autobahn for a routine check (mechanical state of the truck, are goods properly secured, is the driver tired or did they exceed their permitted working times, …) or when on weekends, motorcycles on more “bending” roads are being checked for their noise emissions and illegal modifications.
Some sort of profiling does happen, though this is easily debatable: trucks from Eastern Europe are more likely to be checked, as due to distance from their home base, the drivers are much more likely to have been in the road for more than their legally permitted driving time - and the trucks are commonly less maintained than those registered in other countries and so impose a higher risk for traffic and drivers.
A noticeable exception on police checks: the police is only checking “rolling” traffic, but usually doesn’t care about parked cars (“standing traffic”), unless they do impose a threat to rolling traffic.
Parked cars are usually checked by municipal workers, who don’t carry any weapons, other than pen, paper and mobile phone, but are also well trained on deescalation and legally aren’t that much different from “real” police officers in terms of their rights.
Recently I saw on TV two German police officers riding with bikes in the city and controlling other cyclists. So the police is presence but more subtle.
They sometimes also do it for education purposes….meaning, they are standing at a road at which a lot of accident happens, pull over people who are too fast, then let them drive and if they end up speeding a second time, they get pulled over and are forced to watch some sort video which shows them the result of traffic accidents. Measures like this cost btw more than they bring in punishment fees.
And naturally they patrol the autobahn. But they use cars which looks "normal" at the first glance, hence we don't even notice them most of the time unless they pull over someone who drives dangerously.
You just educated me. I’m living in Germany for over 19 years now, but obviously not aware of most the things she defined in regards to police profiling in Germany.
I have been driving for the past 16 years in this country but never had I been stopped unnecessarily. Maybe I haven’t been keeping a closer look at the attitude of the law enforcement in my neighbourhood.
Thank you for letting me know that there are people who look like me that are being profiled in Germany and please keep up the good work.
Nach weiter so!
I have recently found your channel. My husband and I have been thinking about moving to Germany (he's hoping to get his MA there). I find your videos so well organized and informative and you hit the nail on head with this one. As a Latinx, it's great to know there are people out there doing the work to educate themselves and others. I truly appreciate everything you said. Thank you!
Side note: I'm wondering if you know anyone who moved there with children and what that process was like for them? We have a high schooler and are likely going to wait until she finishes to move, but with everything going on in the US we would love to do it earlier.
Hello! Thank you for your lovely comment! It's great you are thinking about moving to Germany! My channel was created for people exactly like you 🙃 I don't personally know anyone that migrated to Germany with grown children. However, I do know a bit about secondary school education. I think I'd your high school student speaks fluent German and has taken normal to advanced classes in high school, she should be able to do fine in terms of academic success (for the highest level of education (Gymnasium) which prepared students for university education. If she gets average grades in average classes then she is more likely to place into Realschule. However, I do think if she doesn't have the language skills, it would be a difficult transition both in terms of academics and socializing with peers. Or she would get placed into a school system for those who don't speak the language fluently (which is true of many migrants) but I think this would have a negative influence on the quality of education she receives. Maybe someone else in the comment section has more insight!
Hi Taylor really appriciate ur videos. regarding court systems,i would like to ask if you or anybody knows if unmarried fathers are treated fairly in German family courts, against child alienating are these matters taken seriously in Germany..do fathers have much rights for thier children At all? Can you shed some light of Germany's parental laws..
In Germany police officers are "Beamte", how does that work in the US. Being "Beamter" in Germany also implies that some rights are being withheld - you may not go on strike for example. But on the other hand the state has the task to protect you (including health care and payment for the retirement). How ist the American police integrated in the society/state?
Well, at least I know that US police can't strike, hence the notion of a "blue flu" exists. You know, a lot of police officers just happen to call in ill at the same time.
@@swanpride Thanks, I remember hearing about that.
@@swanpride The big issue with the state of being a "Beamter": You cannot be fired as long as you do not break the rules for police officers.
This means you know that you will have your job until pension when you follow the rules but if not you are fired, lost your pension rights etc.
Something police officers let think twice or more often before risking their safe job.
Der Beamte kann sich zusätzlich privat krankenversichern, denn durch staatliche Beihilfe werden NICHT 100 % der Krankenversorgungskosten getragen.
Für ledigen, kinderlose Beamte, zum Beispiel, werden max. 50 % der Krankenversorgungskosten durch die staatliche Beihilfe getragen (Arbeitgeberteil).
Beamte sind nicht verpflichtet, sich zusätzlich privat zu versichern, sinnvoll ist es allemal.
I'm a black man .you are doing a good job .proud of you
also Officers killed in 2018: Germany 0 US: 106 also a difference which kinda blew my mind.
One question about profiling I have to ask:
If there are statistics, which are of cause a result of serious problems in the society which have to be solved asap and are very unfair and should be overcome, which say: It is twice as likely that a certain person of whatever background (may it be white, black, asian, persian, male, female, non-binary, being poor or rich or whatever) committed a crime, is it rassist for a police officer to run after that person first if s/he has two with similar starting points other than that? I am not talking about police brutality (which is a total unexceptable behaviour) or shooting those guys down faster (if you are in the US and shooting people down is more like a hobby but the last resort if everything else fails and there is a dangerous threat).
I would much more prefer it to be very much different concerning profiling, but I do not see the police going for the most likely suspect first to be a wrong thing to do.
The problem starts in the way it is done and that this kind of statistics are real, but as a police officer with limited time and resources, who should they go about it?
Again, please do not take this as an assault or put me in the wrong corner here... I do absolutely despise that we have to talk about something like that at all and it really shouldn't be a thing in a perfect world, but what would be the short term solution for a police officer in Germany or the US in this case?
Privat Prison?! Business? Real?..🤬
traurig aber wahr; in den Staaten finden sogar Handelsmessen statt für Gefängnisausrüstung etc.
A very balanced view of things, thank you for that. I'm German and I have experienced police brutality at demonstrations, and even false accusations by the police against demonstrators. And racial or social profiling happens, too. You said, it may be based on personal prejudices: Maybe. But these are PROFESSIONALS. They should do their work, and keep their political opinions at home.
Three short examples:
1) I once sat on a train, and there was one black person in the car. Guess whose ID they wanted to see? Right. Bad luck for them he was born in Germany and had German citizenship. -- racial profiling
2) I have a hippie haircut (or rather non-haircut), and I sometimes travel to the Czech Republic, because it's near and trains are cheap. The Czech Republic is known for their lenient drug policy. So guess who gets checked for drugs when police are around at the railway station? Right. -- social profiling
3) My impression is that people with an east European accent are more suspect to crime than people with a western European or American accent. -- racial or social? You decide.
That being said, a friend of mine is a police officer.
1) You know that refugess in Germany has to go to a certain area where they are supposed to love for the next time? They get a ticket and have to travel alone. So ther are problaby some refugess on the trains every week. You assume that they asked him for the ID because he was black but you don*t know they background. Did they were searching for a certain man? Were there problems with black refugees in the past? Showing your ID is not a big issue when there is nothing more. There was no more or you would have told it. If you stand out from the mass in a certain way you are most likely more checked. Ask pepole with heavily tuned cars. Police will also always check them.
Bad luck for them because he was German? Why because they checked him and found nothing? I was checked on Ascensions Day for alcohol diffrent times. Bad luck for the police that I was not drunk anything?
2) People who look very young have to show their ID more often when buying alcohol. ^^
3.) So why leave so many stolen cars Germany in direction of Poland and going to Russia and the Ukraine and not to France?
There are certain crimes that are linked with certain ethnic groups for whatever reasons. So if you controll a member of the certain group, you will look if he is clean or part of the criminals. Cigarettes are chaper in Poland or Russia, so the Police will check on Polish or Russian cars coming from Poland than doing the same for cars from Switzerland.
Near the swiss border they will look more for money crossing the border.
As a German I know the US-American police system basically only from film & television. However, I have the impression that a big problem is the high number of independent police departments. For comparison: In the whole of Germany there are a total of 18 independent police authorities and 17 criminal investigation offices: One federal police, one police of the German Bundestag (Parliament) and 16 state police, 1 Federal Criminal Police Office and 16 state criminal investigation offices. Accordingly, there are also only 17 training and supervisory bodies - the federal government and the 16 federal states. I have the impression from the USA that there are thousands of independent police authorities, each with their own rules and guidelines. I think that reforms work worse there.
And no: The German police system is not perfect and there are also some problems to be solved, but I think these are easier to solve, because something has to be done in only 17 places instead of tens of thousands.
As a further problem in the USA I see the fact that the posts of sheriff, chief of police, prosecutor and judge are partly elective posts. This means that these executive offices become political offices and the office holders always have to worry about being re-elected. Whether they have done a good job is then measured in the number of arrests or convictions. Quantity counts more than quality.
The police chiefs in Germany are appointed officials who have worked their way up the career ladder within the police force. Most of the police chiefs themselves were once patrolmen.
Public prosecutors in Germany are also appointed civil servants, whose highest employer is the Minister of Justice.
The ordinary judges in Germany are also appointed or elected by judge election committees, usually for an unlimited period of time. Even the honorary auxiliary judges (Schöfen) are only elected by judge election committees, whereby almost everyone can run for these offices (5 years term of office).
In Germany there is no popular participation in the selection of these posts, which are almost always of unlimited duration. So there are no police chiefs, public prosecutors or judges who have to fight for re-election and can therefore fully concentrate on their actual job. This allows the independence of the judiciary to be guaranteed, because the judiciary is also independent of the will of the people.
To the explanation of the auxiliary judges: At Schöfen Courts in Germany - mostly criminal courts - one professional judge and two Schöfen (lay judges) decide on guilt and innocence. Almost any German can run for the office of lay judge, provided he or she has no criminal record, is at least 18 years old and has his or her primary residence in the district of the court.
@@TheManWithTheHatKiel The whole system of sheriffs and police departments by itself is already confusing enough. And when they interact with each other you will have officers from two different departments, and both believe that they have more authority over the other so nobody will back down. There is a very interesting video from the channel "audit the audit" about the city police executing a warrant for a county sheriffs phones, because he was investigated by the state attorney for corruption. I highly reccomend it, because it not only shows the level of corruption in many departments, but also how officers will happily break the law, if one of their own is threatened by justice.
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I like your Video... Cool Facts... And yes : Fix your Gun-Problem ! :-) No more school shootings.
If a german cop caches you while smoking a cigarette when you aged under 18, he will ask you for one.
haha, i dont think so xD But its not illegal to consume cigarettes under the age of 18. Its just not allowed to sell or provide them to minors. So they will most likely ask where you got the from and warn you about the health risks.
I am from Austria so quite similar to Germany but not the same. One thing that I notice from afar is that some police officer's go on patrol alone, something that we don't do. I don't know if it is intentionally or just a coincidence.
Also there was a great video about some reporters going through police training, just one day. And one of them said something like: "If you train all traffic stops like this one, than I understand why the police is afraid". Every simulated stop ended in getting her killed.
As a regular (white) tourist in the US I have always had very positive interactions with the cops; be it NYPD or Florida or elsewhere. I would regularly turn to them for help or just for small talk and have always been treated respectfully. I guess what helped was they heard I was a non native English speaker.
Policebrutality: I think you cannot compare the numbers between the US and Germany as the US police officers have "qualified immunity" which imposes a very high cost on the person suing for police brutality. As a result I do think that only very clearcut violations with indisputable evidence are filed before the court.
Police Structure: Germany has 3x basic sets of Police forces - communal, Land & Bund. And each entity has their set of responsibilities and powers. We did have other entities like BGS(Bundesgrenzschutz) and Bahnpolice (train police) ,but they have been merged into Bundespolizei. We do have special forces - MEK/SEK Mobiles Einsatzkomando, Sondereinsatzkomando and GSG 9 for Antiterrorism/Hostage situations.
This is mainly it. One specialized unit is missing that is Zoll (Customs) who also have a special weapons unit for high profile cases, but are mainly responsible for taxes and smuggling.
Then we have 3x secret services BND(Bundesnachrichtendienst - exteriour secret service) , Verfassungschutz (interiour secret service) and militärischer Abschirmdienst (MAD - army secret service).
I think this covers all.
For america things shall be a lot more complicated - you got many 3 letter agencies - I have on my mind that you can become subject to 9 agencies just entering the US on an airport - and in some cases you may not even have rights for an attourney.
In the US you have local police, state police, FBI, Sherrif (who gets elected), head hunters (who get legal powers as a private entity) and many more things. E.g. now you can see the fun in portland with local and federal police forces and maybe even having private contractors in the mix as well.-
Also we see a militarisation of police forces in both countries. In the US police departments can get military gear for transportation costs - Mine resistant vehicles, weapons, chopers, ...Also there is the believe that a "threatened" police officer may shoot an armed suspect - even if it later turns out to be a play gun, mobile phone, .. And most people stand behind this policy - "It was his fault, he should not have,..." While the chance for an officer getting wounded or shot is way lower than for a civilian suffering the same fate. Also you will not see a German police squad emptying their magazines into a single person.
It happened to me once that all traffic on German Autobahn was stopped and the police checked all vehicles. A hard criminal had escaped and the police were looking for him. For the common citizen, this can mean that he has to show his ID and the police may want to look into the trunk. But in this case a police officer waved and I was allowed to slowly drive past at walking pace.
In the 1970s a terrorist group was active so this happened more often.
In general the German police only intervene in cases of crime. Or if there's a car accident, document what happened. Or if a fire breaks out then the question is why. Maybe the police will be called because drunk people are fighting.
But in Germany we don't worry when a policeman walks by.
Ausserhalb des eigentlichen Thema: die Filmaufnahme im Anhang als Editor fand ich überraschenderweise viel direkter und authentischer. Ich hatte als Zuschauer das Gefühl direkt persönlich angesprochen zu werden.
Hey future Taylor, could you please explain the graph you showed at 5:46.
Is it that the whole population of the US is classified into races aka blacks and whites as stated here (what about mixed and PoC)? Do these percentages of population mean percentage of black/ white population or is it really the percentage of whole population? But this seems a lot for the whole of the US as basically every black person would be using drugs then, which I highly doubt. Also is it an average over the states or is it about a single state? If an average how is the average calculated? And where does the data for drug use and selling drugs come from?
I looked at the source but it is not very helpful, it states that for using and selling drugs they used reported rates, however aren´t these already biased then as white people are less likely to be policed? Maybe I completely misread it as English isn´t my first language. If you could explain it and maybe rate it how reliable this statistic is, I´d be very thankful.
Hi, Stefan. I would assume that the statistics are based on police reports where race is listed as a characteristic (as with most forms in the US) as well as survey data where someone is asked how they self identify. The way I am reading the graph, I understand that, for example, 16% of blacks have used drugs, so a percentage of the racial population. A "reported rate" doesn't necessarily mean it was reported by the police. It could be self-reported such as through the use of surveys. Hope that helps!
Two biggest differences betwenn the police in Germay and the US: Germany Training is a minimum of 2.5 yrs. up to 3 yrs. Training includes extensive law training, deescalation training, psychology, gun training (both physically as mentally) as well well as generall awarness of what our job is about (with an emphasis on history of the police and what it was misused for from 1933-1945). The second big thing is, that we are taught from day 1 of your training, that we are not above the law. Our job is to enforce it and help our citizines, but we will be held acountable, to every extent of german law, if we abuse our "power". E.g. We shoot some in the back 6 times....there is no way a germany court will rule that as self defense. That officer will be charged, trialed nad most surley be convicted of murder. So because people here in Germay know this, they are much mor trusted of the police!
I've lived in Germany for about 12 years after living in France, the USA and Canada many more years. In those 12 years, I have seen no more than 5 policemen in total on the street...
Arresting somebody because of a cigarette is so absurd that it's genuinely funny. It's dark.
Well done! Thank you! Love your drive!
Die deutsche Polizei kann auch ohne einen bestimmten Grund eine "allgemeine Personenkontrolle" vornehmen (z. B. Identitätsprüfung).
Kumpel und ich wurden früher, in unseren 20ern, oft auf diese Weise kontrolliert (in Hamburg).
Ich hatte damit nie Probleme. Mir hat das nichts ausgemacht. Ich habe das nie als Bedrihung oder Schikane empfunden.
Ich erlebte das meistens nachts oder spät am Abend.
Die Polizisten waren immer fair und es gab nie Ärger.
Correction pillar in the philippines vs in the USA. can you discuss it ma'am ☺️
Just some random thoughts. Police brutality and especially accountability in Germany is a problem as well. Of course it happens on a far lower scale than in the US, but if it does, it is also very rare for police officers to be held accountable. Germany is missing an independent institution to investigate crimes committed by the police and also in some situation police officers are still not identifiable. (Riot police at demonstrations typically, this is probably also where most the cases happen.)
Racial profiling of course happens as well, and there will probably always be some officers that do that. A systematic issue there is however, that police officers are often given tasks that promote racial profiling. E.g. I often read the complain about controls in trains. The police is tasked to look for illegal immigration via trains, they don't have the resources to control everybody, so they have to pick. Well, most illegal immigrants come from the south, so they look for people that look like they could be from some southern country. The result being, if you are German but have darker skin, you will be asked for identification every time. But if you want to avoid that, this has already be changed at a higher level. Make sure that police officers have objective criteria to select or instruct them to check everyone. Same goes for patrolling in crime hot-spots.
An other difference for policing: I've read US police officers often have targets, like do so many arrests, traffic checks whatever. That doesn't exist in Germany. If such a target is that, officers will just go for the easiest targets and try to arrest them for whatever reason.
Also, police in the US arrest people for minor offences. Minor offences like jaywalking are not considered a crime "Straftat". So if you commit them you will get a ticket, if the police officers do not just ignore it. But you will never be arrested. There is just no legal grounds for an arrest in those cases.
In the US, you are very quickly considered a criminal, and once you are, you are treated like shit.
The racism issue comes on top of these general issues with policing.
You make a lot of really great points! Thanks for your comment.
Hi. I can agree with you on many things. In terms of training, it is normal for us to learn between 3 and 4 years for a job. The policing system has advantages and disadvantages in both countries. I now take as an example; Alcohol in public. In North America, brown paper bag means alcohol. You don't see it here in Germany, although it is also forbidden here to drink alcohol in public. Here the saying counts; "where there is no plaintiff there is no judge". In many things. There are also assaults by the police, luckily rather rarely. In all, I say, our police officers are really more friends and helpers. Here in Berlin we have something special, the "Kontaktbereichsbeamten". 😊
Vip3GER Nope, it is NOT prohibited to drink in public. Public inebriation with inappropriate behavior is prohibited, and even then requires some quite serious excesses to actually be taken notice of. Some train and tram stations have prohibited consumption of alcohol on their premises IN PUBLIC when not in restaurants. But that is the so-called "Hausrecht" of the train station owners. Otherwise there is NO federal law that prohibits consumption of alcohol in public in Germany.
Ah yes, I have to agree with you there. In the meantime there have been changes in the law again. Until 2006, it was forbidden here in Berlin to drink alcohol in public. It is becoming increasingly difficult to follow the law changes at the country level. 😳
Could you cite your source RE drinking in public being illegal in Germany? The articles I've read state the exact opposite. 😕
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Die Polizei in Berlin ist kastriert, aber was soll man schon von RRG erwarten.
Not sure as I was the last time in the US in the 1980s, but I think the US has a complete different approach to justice. It seems like the main goal is to punish. I studied laws and we talked about what laws should be (a representation of common rules to organize living together as society). A basic rule in Germany is that the goal is to protect society, educate the offender and try to find the best way to prevent the crime in the future. If a offender is thriwn in jail, they often come out finding themself in a even worse situation, increasing the chance of redoing what they did. So if someone steals, gets in jail, comes out, he probably steals again. If he gets some education, he might take the chance, earn money, pay taxes and become part of the society. Sure, there are limits to that, but it is the right approach in my opinion.
This is something that I talk about in my video on Courts and the Prison system! Point well made!
Last time I was back in Germany I was stopped by police and checked for my driver license and car registration certificate, had to do an alcohol test (the result of which was zero), had to show that I had my first aid kit and warning triangle) onboard. It was a bit annoying because I had to leave the car while it was raining but other than that I had no complaints. They were polite and merely doing their job. Btw. I´m German and as pale as they come. I´ve been checked before when leaving a train, and at a few other occasions (in Germany you need to be able to prove your identity) but never had a problem. Once, when I asked the officer why he checked me he answered jokingly: "well, you´re a man with a beard and a bag so I thought you were a drug dealer". It doesn´t happen often (maybe once every 5-10 years in my experience) but it does happen - even to white German people. As for racial profiling: as long as it increases efficiency I can´t see anything wrong with it. And I believe it often does - just as you wouldn´t check women when looking for a male suspect. Don´t forget that e. g. in 2017 (if I tremember the year correctly) 49% of all prison inmates in Bavaria were foreigners - so it makes sense for police to have foreign looking people being overrepresented in their screening. I understand that for those affected it´s annoying. But in my view it´s still justified and not more annoying e. g. as it was for me to be conscripted just because I weas male and not female. Some "injustices" you have to live with.
Another example: a friend´s teenage son was arrested by police (in Bavaria) because they found him alone on the street at night when youngster´s of his age aren´t allowed out on their own. His dad had to pick him up from the police station at 2 a.m.
The example of the woman who is not checked because the suspect is a man does not fit.
With general checks there is no suspect and instead of that simply suspecting all foreign looking people is pure racism.
What the example with the teenager should tell us about this is unclear to me. For one thing, there is no curfew for teenagers, so they won't have arrested him (but that's probably just a matter of term), but took him to the police station for his protection. But what does this have to do with the question of possible profiling?
@@potator9327 "...With general checks there is no suspect and instead of that simply suspecting all foreign looking people is pure racism..." With that argument you could do away with all checks. However, as statistics show foreigners are overrepresented among the criminal cohort and there are even offenses only foreigners can become guilty of (e. g. residing illegally). Therefore, to me it makes sense to screen them more intensely which implies that it makes sense to screen foreign looking people more intensely. That in my view has nothing to do with racism (which implies racial superiority).
I used the example of my friend´s teenage son merely as another example to show that not only foreigners are checked - otherwise police wouldn´t have known that he was still a minor at the time. In Bavaria there is a curfew for unaccompanied minors late at night (don´t remember as of what time though).
I watch the news. Police in the US is terribly terrible. xD Now, I'll watch this video. :)
Iam 60 years old never been in jail I was attacked in braunschweig by police in civilian clothes and a black car in an alley on September 1 2022 .I was taken to a police department to where they were celebrating and saying I swallowed cocain.I had needle marks in my arm from a operation about 12 hours prior and I was on my way back to my hospital room.I have a useless arm and defenseless.I have a American indigenous half breed and white background but look arab.They jump out of the car and attacked me no words were spoken before the attack.All I could do was cover my head I thought it was a mugging.I lost Conscience and woke up in handcuffs blinded by blood in my eyes with a knee on my head and neck see a video of the Floyd murder.Iam being charged with assault on a police officer.They gave me a drug test about 20 minutes after the assault that was negative.I called the American embassy for help but did not receive any other than advice to contact a lawyer and I did unfortunately There is no way I could pay him what he asked.Iam a veteran of the us army 2 honables and a veteran correctional officer from Texas with 22 years working as a hospital porter in Wolfsburg Germany and married to a German national for over 38 years and grandfather.If you are of color and in Braunschweig stay together stay away from poor places.My doctor an Arab told me that police in black cars have been seen attacking citizens and throwing them in the trunk.Iam still in bed but getting better from where I write this message.No video of the attack was taken but have multiple bruises The severe concussion so that I can’t drive a car yet.I have photos of the damage they are horrific.
Today, what's on my mind is a simple question! The question is: "Are we a nation of laws?" If the answer is yes, then all these law enforcement officers that have used lethal force to apprehend a suspect since 1985 should be in jail without exception! Here is my reasoning:
On March 29, 1985, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of "Tennessee versus Garner" that police may not use lethal force to apprehend a "suspect" even a "felony suspect"! It did not authorize any exceptions! High-speed chases constitute lethal force!
Before the 1985 ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that police may not make traffic stops or walking stops on "suspicion". In simple English, the police may not stop a motorist that they know has been convicted in the past of DUI just to check him or her to see if the individual has been consuming alcohol beyond the present limit when there is no current behavior to suggest that may be true! This also applies to any other crime the individual may have been convicted of in the past but there is no evidence to suggest that the individual is participating in that activity now!
Furthermore, the United States Supreme Court also ruled before this that police may not hide to give the appearance that no police are present and then showing their presence to ticket someone and/or arrest someone for violating a law that individual would not violate if he or she knew that police were present! For police to engage in this activity they are doing what is commonly called "entrapment"!
In fact, if we consent to be ruled by a despot, then we are not ruled by law but by whims of the despot! The choice is ours!
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These days, police in the US are even worse than what you knew. Violent videos games makes them look for some "action".
Excellent video....thanks for posting.....
I was told the police officers got a 21 weeks of training so much more less than you have said. Anyway the whole police system in the US is kinda weird in order of who is responsible for what etc. And with a president like the one you do have right now the problems won't go away, when he is getting the army for peaceful protestors. So let's hope they'll get him out of office in November and let's cross fingers the younger generations are willing to do several changes the USA really needs.
Peaceful protestors like in CHAZ or the ones who killed David Dorn?
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American justice is brutal. In germany: First ask, ask again, than shoot in the air!!! After that a targeted shot In the leg. I have been in the army, that acts nearly like the german police.
AMEN!
that is not just retarded but dangerous and wrong. Shots in the air will come down somewhere, and shots in the leg are also deadly when they work. Which was literally proven yesterday by german police in lower saxony/Twist.
@@texasranger24 That's not totally true. The german police uses completly different bullets. These projectiles won't burst open, when they hit a target. Of course every shot and every bullet can be fatal and deadly. But as a good cop, you are trained to use the weapon carefully. A shot in the air surely can be dangerous. But it's not that necessarily deadly like a shot directly in your head.
@@andibuletten6206 that is literally true and what happened just the other day. you have apparently no idea about physics, anatomy and terminal ballistics. pistol hollow points will penetrate 12 to 18 inches of ballistics gelatin or soft tissue. same for the german police as for the fbi. same testing protocols, same specific parameters, same few manufacturers.
and police training? are you kidding me? the police in the german capitol Berlin trains once a year, exactly 33 rounds. that's barely enough to hit the bride side of a barn, and doesn't involve any movement or tactics.
shots in the air or legs are retarded. anybody who disagrees is also retarded. or do you have 15+ years of experience in the military, as a paramedic and competitive shooter that say otherwise? because i do.
Aghate Wahedi Well it still the less evil than shooting somebody directly and kill huh?
The "searching near the border" is basically our replacement for border control. Since our borders are open, random checks of cars and people which have passed the border are necessary to counter smuggling. They are mostly looking for drugs and weapons.
Also, there is MUCH more police around in Germany than you might be aware of, especially when it comes to traffic control. Often they are just mingling with people, observing, and you'll only notice them if they have to act on something.
It's not that Germans don't take the notion of racial profiling seriously, but at the same time if you know that you have a huge problem with criminal bands from country X in an area, it absolutely makes sense to pay more attention to people who look like they belong to this specific group. It is just difficult to figure out at which point "okay, this makes sense" ends and "well, this is just racist" starts, unless naturally a police officers goes over the line and mistreats someone during a control for no reason whatsoever. At the same time it is difficult to figure out when you have a police officers stepping out of line and at which point you have a systemic problem (I am pretty sure we have a systemic problem in Bavaria and Saxony, but I don't think that it is present in all of Germany, it depends on the Bundesland).
Btw, the weapons excuse is nonsense. Our police can storm a drug den full of weapons with nobody even daring to draw a knife. That is partly because it makes a huge difference in your punishment if you own a weapon or if you try to use it (which is not the case in the US where you are already punished harshly for the most minor offenses if you happen to belong to the wrong group), partly because nobody seriously expects to just get shoot by the police as long as you keep calm.
Anyway, when I am in the US and the police would stop me, I would keep the hands where they can see them because I would be afraid of a trigger-happy cop. When I am stopped in Germany by the police I do it, because I don't want the cop to be afraid of me, since it does happen that people shot police officers during traffic stops, and I don't want to stress them out more than they most likely already are. This change in attitude in me is mostly based on the different attitude of the cops.
Regarding racial profiling: the issue is that right now we just don't know. Most telling was Seehofer's reaction to an EU recommendation of, you know, just checking whether there is an issue. So Seehofer declares that that's not necessary and therefore there is no problem.
Personally I do believe that all those supposedly "arbitrary checks" aren't nearly as arbitrary as some like to pretend; whether it's primarily about race or about aspects like the type of clothes you wear, your hairstyle and so on ... well, ordinarily I'd have leaned towards this explanation since it fits better with my personal experiences.
But after years of a systematic refusal to engage with the idea of racial profiling in any meaningful way the politicians basically managed to make me automatically suspicious about what the police is doing. It's just not a productive approach; just look into it, clear the air - if there's a problem, fix it, if not, fantastic ...
Our Innenminister (secretary of the interior) rejected the idea of doing a study on racial profiling, because - in his words - it doesn't happen, since it's illegal! Yes, sure, Herr Seehofer! We don't have murder, burglary and so on in Germany, *because all these things are illegal* - is that what you're saying? Even police unions in Germany want this study to find out about racial profiling. Now, a couple of German states are making an effort to get this study done themselves. I'm sure Mr. Seehofer won't like the results, although I think they won't be half as bad as the existing situation in the USA.
Strange, three of my comments vanished. Have I done something wrong?
Hello! I don't delete comments unless they break community standards - for example using hate speech. So I'm not sure why your comments would have disappeared!
I think you are german by heart now because you say... fix YOUR gun problem 😉 great video
Good work so far.. Hope part 2 coming soon.
Hey, I liked your video but there is just one thing that made me curious. I know it's custom to say race in the us to refare to people who look apart from each other (skin color etc) but the way you used it made me shiver a little cos in fact there are no human races. In my opinion we should never use this thermology since it's one of the sneeky parts of racism. As long as the people use it even with no bad intention it may let others think that there are different races 'cos everyone uses these word'. And then the thought 'we all know different races have different values like with racing horses and what not' maybe is not that far away. So it fuels racism cos 'if there are different races with different attributes and different values why not treat them diffrent?' Maybe I'm to sensitive with this topic but yeah I just leave you the Wikipedia link to it de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassentheorie
Hello, Marcel. Thank you for your comment. I am well aware that race is a social construct but just because humans invented this concept and there is indeed no biological difference between so-called races, people with different skin tones and facial features have historically been treated differently. I totally get where you are coming from, but at the same time, I feel like the concept isn't disappearing and instead of being "color-blind" we should embrace our similarities and differences.
This is a language confusion you'll also find in academic debates. In German and some other languages (French for example) the preferred word to express essentially the same concept but minus its historical misuse is "ethnicity". Obvious historical reasons are obvious.
Frankly with how often the use of words is debated in the US these days I'm kinda baffled that there's seemingly not much of a discussion of this one. I mean, just recently IT people started removing "master / slave" designations for their historical context, despite everyone knowing that stuff like source code management never ever had anything at all to do with human slavery. Yet it's seen as problematic.
Meanwhile "race" was actually - and frankly still is - absolutely horrifyingly misused ... and nobody cares?
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Anyways, based on the same, but it's funny in its predictability, - if you ever want to see a German completely shocked or even outraged show them any sort of official US form (like a college application or census questionnaire or whatever) that includes a checkbox for your "race". Oh, and absolutely never ever translate those literally, in case that's not obvious.
As a south European born in raised in Germany I can confirm there is racial profiling from the German police too. I was more than once controlled on the train by them Regional Bahn Münster Westf / Emden
Yeah, it kinda sucks.
I never had to deal with profiling of any kind becouse I look like a teen, yet I stay away from things that would need an age check (like buying alkohol), but I can easily imagine how anoying it is to get profiled only becouse people looking similar to you do bad things.
Profiling is 90% of the time based on collected data, and I can't really be angry at them for using it, but it must still suck for the people involved. Panks have to deal with that a lot too from what I heard, becouse there scene is known for drug abuse and starting fights. It must be hella anoying for someone to get controled multiple times just becouse you're a Punk and a view bad apples ruined the reputation of the scene.
(Kinda reminds me of the online behaviour of judging fandoms based on the behaviour of there bad apples. Maybe it's a human thing?)
Ah, sorry, I started rambling! That comment got longer than I intented! >.
Here's an interesting Ted-Talk about the difference in German and US Prison and Law Enforcement, by District Attorney* Jeff Rosen.
ruclips.net/video/wtV5ev6813I/видео.html . Maybe some inspiration and research material for your planned video
_(yes I read video descriptions, I know I'm weird )_ .
I love the transparency and honesty about your criminal record and the jaywalking confession ✊🏿🌈☮
_Edit: forgot link_ 🤦🏼♂️
Policemen in Germany are generally in good shape, not overwheight as they must keep within some kind of fat/muscle or height/weight ratios limits.
This change in US is one of the positives of technology making policing visible. Segregation was recent in US history . I imagine that education in this area is poor in American schools where racism needs to be addressed. The pandemic has highlighted poverty amongst whole population. All Americans that have moved to Europe/ Scandanavia etc need to go home and educate the rest that USA is nowhere near the greatest country in the world. Maybe in Americans eyes richest/most powerful = no 1.
Do you feel save, comfortable in Germany? That would make me happy.
A good example of German police brutality is what happened during the G20 protests in Hamburg in 2017. Loads of people who were peacefully protesting, hell, even journalists and innocent bystanders who weren't part of the protests, reported being attacked by police for no good reason, having excessive force used against them, etc. and very little was done about it afterwards by the authorities which is infuriating. I do believe that German police is, on average, doing a decent job but there's definitely a lot of room for improvement, as well.
funny that you dont mention the flagstones that were thrown out of the windows with the sole reason to hit the police on the head and potentially kill them. But I do agree, there is always room for improvement on both sides. And adrenalin shouldn't ever be running so high on the police side that they start randomly attacking people.
Interesting that you call yourself both white and Asian-American. Sure, there are white asians, but I'd consider the term white in that sense to exclude asian. Glad to see you going so in depth on this though!
I've had some difficulty trying to fully understand my own identity as someone who is mixed race. My mother is white and my father was Asian and I have experienced both privilege because of that whiteness and discrimination because of being Asian. I can only speak of my own experiences.
I agree to nearly everything that you said but there is one think i want to point out and from my point of view this is the reason why it is so difficult to solve this problems. It is a multidimensional issue. As an example: I assume that the rate of killed cops in the USA is also higher then in Germany. And now we are talking about gun laws. In such an environment it would not surprise me if a cop is faster on using a weapon then in Germany. But why loves the society their gun? Maybe a leak of trust into the government and/or police!?
And by the way... and you can not argue that there is no difference between black and white and bring up a statistic where white people are using more drugs. ;)
I have another number for you. German police officers consume an average of 80 rounds a year for training and on duty. American police officers consume 80 rounds per arrest. In addition there is the fundamentally different appearance. German police officers try to make themselves almost invisible. American police seem more like an enemy occupying arm. I still know the old GDR. Only there did I feel more monitored than in the USA.
Den Grad der Zivilisation einer Gesellschaft kann man am Zustand ihrer Gefangenen ablesen.
The degree of civilization of a society can be measured by the condition of its prisoners.
Fjodor Michailowitsch Dostojewski (1821 - 1881)
I am 48 years old. my English is a bit rusty. with all the statistics and comparisons, between the usa and germany .... don't forget that 84 million people live here in germany on the surface of the us state texas ... i mean that the private space is much less for everyone . because the population density is higher! i think that the usa should invest less in aircraft carriers, but more in its citizens. 24 carriers should be enough ...... russia has only one ... china 2 ...... france an england 2 ...... germany has none ...... the problem with guns, well if you still want to be cowboys buy horses ..... or grow up and learn to solve your problems in a different way than with guns ....Tayloor ,bleib hier in deutschland . Du past nicht in die USA ,denn Du bist ein sozial eingestellter mensch ......und sozialisten haben keine chance in den USA ....
I'm not fan of easy solutions to complicated problems, but I guess that we can bundle the problems ppl are facing in the US right now as well as those topics Taylor mentioned about the german police, at one point: The idea of human races. First of all, I am german, so I know exactly what racism is. The nazi mindset was the most possible cumilation of the racist ideology. We can only overcome rasicm if we do it in the hard way. There are no human races. We are all the same. No matter if you are of european, middle eastern, african or asian heritage. We have to erase the idea of human races in our own mindsets, if we want to evlove as humanity and rise above the mistakes done by our ancestors. There are no human races. BLM
This would be the ideal outcome, but I have a hard time believing that, as humans, we will ever be able to fully dismantle the social concept of race. We are so focused on "us vs them" and one of the easiest and laziest ways of differentiating is through physical appearance. The best we can do is have these important discussions and teach the next generation better!
Thank you for this contribution! The more people speak out, the better.
Here's a link to the Harvard Implicit Association Test which can give you an insight into your latent biases RE different ethnicities, etc.:
implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html
As for Germany, I'm also attaching one of many articles about the rise of right-wing extremism RE police/army: www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/sendungen/das_forum/Rechtsextremismus-bei-der-Polizei,sendung986396.html
Last, having lived in La. for a long time, I've seen discrimination against black/brown people quite regularly.
Racism is a systemic issue in the US.
a police dog in germany has a training of 18 months
Sounds simply like the US values property, “values”, traditions, religion..(Christianity).., more than it does people...
If you put two officers next to each other, a german one and an American one, you can easily tell who is who, even if they are wearing civil. The bulky one is the American. Well, I admit, that is a kind of prejudice, but mostly it is correct, isn't it? To me, that implies that a certain type of people are attracted by the job that do not really belong there. That is not to say that only slim people can pe good police officers!
That's a stereotype unless by "bulky," you're also referring to the many overweight officers. Lol
I believe that in Germany you more often find physical assessments throughout a police officers career whereas in the US it is more likely that you will only have to pass physical assessments when in training.
@mininmalta 123 Hey Mini, I guess it's a small world. Lol
@@taylorintransit3421 I think Lupus is right, when he considers my opinion a prejudice. But in many cases a prejudice is correct in most of the cases. You just have to remember that "most" is not the same as "all".
Racial profiling is not based in a causality of race und criminal actions. Race is one natural attribute to identify persons. Some criminial offenses are statistically related more to groups which can by identified by specific racial attributes. So it is no discrimination to select them by race.
The problem is the climate of disrespect and repression. Often people with specifc racial attributes which are target of police actions are treated in such a bad way with no plausible reason.
The US has a very special violence problem. Much things are violance related. Police work and penal system have a tendency to be brutal and inhuman.
The police have an intimidating appearance instead of being sovereign. If the authorities tend to brutality and disrespecfulness the citizns do so too. That creates an self-reinforcing spiral of violence.
Racial profiling definitely exists. I had an acquaintance from Vietnam, who was stoped and controlled 2 times a day on the way to work and back, almost every single day. The only difference I see, at no time, he was afraid to get shot. But the amount of harassment was not funny.
I'm sorry that your friend went through that. I can imagine it's uncomfortable and feels very unfair to be singled out for nothing other than your ethnicity...
racial profiling is illegal in germany
Lauter gute Fragen, but still
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Tbh I really think the biggest problem with the police and that's both in the US and in Germany is this culture of silence. It's just too hard to prosecue a police officer and that'S not just because they are super smart at erasing their own tracks, but that even when there are witnesses, footage, evidence they are protecting each other. I think that's what make me angriest. Because all this 'one bad cop' rhetoric doesn't get you anywhere when the good cops don't stand against them. It's not like cases of police brutality just happen in some shady street corners where a single police officer beas up a civilian. But often there is another police officer close by who just watches. (Or even multiple at a demonstration or major event, though I can understand the situation being tense and emotions running high in such an event). I mean what are they doing? Their job is to stop crime, apprehend criminals and investigate the crime scene, but because of some bullshit loyalty between each other, the moment their colleague becomes a criminal, most police officers just seem to stand by and watch. While we have a lot less cases in germany of police brutality, and thankfully only very few that end in somebody's death. Even here it's the same. If a police officer beats up a passer-by without reason and five other cops stand around and witness the situation... good luck finding anybody testifying against their colleague.
BS!
I completely agree with you. There is a concept called qualified immunity which has protected police for decades from being held accountable for excessive use of force. Police really shouldn't be able to police themselves...
Please this is not normal hospital they are wicked and they work at night and they don't call people please I want my son to be free
"rascism is our (white) fault"
be more specific.
All white ever?
all white americans?
all white way back when slavery was a thing?
what about the chinese? they are pretty racist. are they white too?
discrimination is in human nature (guess why kids bully each other and why different tribes wages war against another).
you can only overcome discrimination with education.
rascism in the US is due to a awful education system and poor integration (ghettos, white neighborhoods, china town, etc)
but otherwise good video. i like you statistical competence.
In the US, it is white Americans fault. It was our ancestors who perpetuated slavery, it was our grandparents and great grandparents that perpetuated segregation, and it our fault for staying silent while structural racism persists in the country. I know very well that not every individual is to blame and that there are many people who have fought for racial justice throughout history, but as the "race" with more political, economic and social power, we should really do some self reflection as to how we have the responsibility to create a country where there is equal opportunity.
In America, there's only two types of cops: bullies and victims of bullies.
In Amerika gibt es nur zwei Arten von Polizisten: Mobber und Opfer von Mobbern.
Please this is what I am facing right now last month them take me to the hospital with my son and the hospital don't bring my son back them are looking for a way to take my son away from me
"Asian american... Afro american... Human!!!!
Thanks for your good work and information....
It’s racism reversed. Sick of it. Love t USA cops
in gerany u get although get sometimes cause they are bored nad Need something to write for their patrol record….ive been stopped and ask ..did i something wrong....na u were the only car around and we stopped u just to c how ur doin....
Racial profiling can be useful from time to time. Some examples.
In the 90's there was huge amount of dealing tax free cigarettes. The dealers were often vietnamese.
So if the police would see a vietnamese at one of these spots that were know as dealng places the would of course watch him more closely than other people.
Today they look after black people. It is normal because a big share of them are refugees. So there is always a chance that they cought someone violating the place of residence they have and in bigger cities like Cologne there are problems with gangs from North Africa. There is no point in wasting the time checking on unsuspicious white people when you have a bunch of black young people hanging around at certain places. I don't want to say that white people do less cirmes but there are certain crimes that a linked with certain places and ethnic groups.
You know that buying drugs is not legal either, don't you? So they could go for the customers?
Anyhows.... racial profiling is not what you describe in the first case you mention...
Your assumption that refugees are mostly black... yeah, that one is if you then go on as you do.
I think that there is a difference between knowing the race of a known drug crime ring and simply believing that refugees are more likely to commit random crimes. I think if there is a specific crime with specific evidence against people known to have committed said crime, then it is fine to use identifying physical features. And if there ARE certain crimes that are associated with certain ethnic groups, then local and state governments should be doing more to understand why this is true. Do they feel a lack of purpose because they can't get permission to work or study? Do they feel vilified by their community? Like I said in the video, people aren't more or less likely to commit crime because of their ethnicity, but rather because of their life circumstances such as poverty or social alienation.
My experience with racism with the German police: I has a car accident with a car from the Netherlands, the driver looked middle eastern. Even after I explained that mostly my behavior caused the accident, not the other driver, I was treated much better than him. The were very nice to me and even gave a bit of advice while there were pretty rude to the other driver.
Another thing I noticed with the German police is that especially riot police (Hundertschaften) seems to like violence and sometimes provokes it.
In addition to that police is often blind in the right eye but hyper focussed on the left. With that I mean is that they're more likely to ignore crimes of "Neo Nazis" and similar groups but really like to crack down on antifascists and other activists (also nature protection and animal rights activists).
There are apparently even more similarities between Germany and the US than I previously though. There are also many in the military and police that are right-wing. I just read an article about Germany disbanding the KSK because of similar issues.
@@taylorintransit3421 Yes, it's not just the KSK though, a lot of the Bundeswehr has similar problems
Even more disturbing is the Verfassungsschutz, they are often involved in right wing crimes (they have undercover agents or informants in those groups) and supply them with weapons. Many older high ranking people there also worked in other secret police forces before, eg Stasi or Gestapo. However, when an official investigation starts (the NSU murders for example) they're either sending the investigators completely blanked out documents (top secret) or the documents suddenly disappear. They also use other bureaucratic obstacles to slow down the investigation.
Disappearing evidence is something that happens often anyways in right wing crime investigations. In cases of police violence from the Hundertschaften the police agents are meant to wear body cams to provide evidence.
These body cams work just fine for evidence against protesters but "suddenly" stop recording if the police becomes too violent.
Similar to American and many other police forces, the police agents have unwritten rulesets to not tell on other police agents. Whistle blowers are punished by social isolation and putting them on jobs where they can do "no harm".
I don't have a lot of hard data for the things I told, it's just what I read in papers and heard from others (I know some people that often join protests). So please take it with a grain of salt.
Nevertheless I feel safe in Germany and believe most police agents don't want to harm people. They're generally mellow and helpful if you ask them something in public. They like to get a bit of respect though.
In the Netherlands people have way less respect of the police from what I noticed.
She starts at 3:50
social profiling by Race in Germany hmm , i would say empirical values meet this Term more . There arent enough Jobs for all the Refugees in Germany , no Job , not much money means often Crime to a higher degree than to Germans who have a Job , a Car , a House .. , you know what i mean ? I am German , English is not my Home Language ..
There is a Reason why People of Color are more stopped and checked by the Police , but not with that brutality like in the US .
Sadly there are the far right , these People exist everywhere .. , they are raciest , in Germany as well as in the US , its uncommon to find one of them in the Police in Germany i guess . In the US , depending on the State , for example in the South , you will find more in the US Police i think
I agree that when you take away legitimate economic channels, people will move to illegal channels. This is something that should be taken more seriously rather than waiting for crimes to happen and then prosecuting.
Taylor;I usually like your videos,because they are well researched and well structured.But on this topic your emotions let you fail!I am asthonished,that after all your time in Germany,you do not ackknowledge,that the main difference between US and German police is,that these countries have completely different jurisdictional systems!Germany has "Civil aka Roman/Napoleonic Law";The US have a "Twisted Version of Common Law".In Civil Law the is no such extreme stupendous thing like "Common/Sovereign Immunity".It is next to impossible to made a police officer liable for his deeds in the US.And they know it! A German police officer knows,that he/she will never get away with the same ridiculous shit,as an American does! A German is and will be made accountable for every single shot he/she fires.Hit and kill an innocent bystander,you might not go to prison,but for the rest of your career you sharpen penciles and file dogtags.Also German police per law,MUST NOT use military equippment!
Thanks for the addition!
Hi, kümmere dich nicht um die Länge des Videos, wenn etwas gesagt werden muss und eine gewisse Zeit dauert dann ist das ebenso. Es macht keinen Sinn nur das halbe Problem zu besprechen.
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You are too informative, too intelligent, Too German in a way, too superior, too elaborate, too straight, too serious,
too little girly, too little funny, too little flirtatious, too little playful, too little smiling, too less uplifting, not a bit American,
to ever make it big on RUclips. You better become an advocat or judge. You like to give guidance and nobody will take it.
There are so many people on YT, who smile and grin and who have nothing of substance to say and who do big by smile and looks.
For you, I fear, YT is not the right medium. I hope so much I am wrong. Good luck! I like your way.
in germany you are faster free by killing someone, than stealing a bread in the US...^^
Nicht wirklich.
Was du auch weisst.
Stop calling people black, yellow, red or white would be a good start for you. We aren't white, black is brown and you aren't yellow. Use other terms to describe people.