I carried one of those with me every day in Afghanistan, back in 2005. It worked great. A few ounces of fuel that I could steal right out of the Jerry cans, and I could have hot coffee and chow out in the field. After 17 years, the stove still works like new.
Great bit of kit . Good idea for over landing travel were propane is hard to find . Thanks for sharing this . From Steve Stott in Sutherlin Oregon U.S.A.
I've been using the MSR Dragonfly since the 90s. Back then I used it for backpacking, but I never could wrap my head around why they included a jet for petrol and diesel. Fast forward to today, and I am glad I never threw away the extra jet. The dragonfly cooks so much better than any other packable stove I've ever used.
The Dragonfly is an awesome stove. I do highly suggest purchasing K1 kerosene as your primary stove fuel or gasoline/petrol if that is unavailable. Kerosene will burn much cleaner and more efficiently than diesel, so will gasoline/petrol.
Yeah diesel is only really used as an emergency thing in the multi fuel stoves as its harsh especially this stove as its harder to clean and has the extra valve, the XGK and Whisperlite can take the dirty fuels as they have the cleaning wire in the fuel line, though again even MSR recommends using white gas or kerosene and petrol and diesel in emergences etc. I have this the whisperlite and an old XGK all fantastic, spares and serviceable parts can be bought cheap online. True SHTF utilitarian stoves.
Thanks for exact amount of right information. Such simple kit requires no unboxing or installation review, otherwise I'd consider myself not ready for camping 🤔
Have this MSR dragonfly for about 20years. The flame sound is loud. I change the cup spreader to another type which reduce the noise alot. Still using it for my camping trip. The only problem I have is the difficulty to get the O ring spare part replacement. MSR don't ship to my country.
You don't have to buy the MSR brand o-rings. Just e-mail MSR and they'll probably let you know the o-ring sizes and material. You can also find the sizes from online posts.
I had one of those stoves in the 80's for backpacking and ran it on white gas. One bottle would last the entire 5 day trip. Slow to start up at 10,000 feet. I have a JetBoil now and would never go back. Nice video.
Jetboils are the business and absolutely nothing boils water faster. We are using our Jetboil to cook basic food inside with the pan adapter at the moment. The only issue we've had with the Jetboil is it's affected by high altitude and extreme cold. We try to always use the propane / butane mix gas.
Crackin bit of kit leigh. We usded to use a multi-fuel unit in the ARMY's field kitchens---M52A was the burner designation. I'd be interested in this as our trucks are diesel also. Cheers for sharing cobber. Hooroo for now.
Thank you so much. I am truck driver in Europe. I hate the gas stove because I must have 1 bag of adaptor to refill in Europe. I was wondering if it's possible with diesel. Great information
Leigh, Steph, it the same principle as a Primus pressure stove and the tilly Pressure lamps which run off kerosene, and used methylated spirit's to preheat the burner or mantel, my dear old Mum used them 60 years ago when I was a Boy. fan from OZ PS she also had an iron fro ironing clothes which were filled with Petrol and lit when Hot Iron away
I have an old version of something like that in the garage unless one of my kids have it. I ran leaded then unleaded gasoline (petrol), kerosene, alcohol, number one diesel fuel, home heating fuel, pretty much anything that would light worked. Alcohol was the cleanest and easiest to use. Mine does not pack as small but it held very large pots to boil water and cook on. Look at the diesel kitchen stove if you want something for inside your camper, you do need to give it fresh outside air and a vent but once the griddle is hot you can make pancakes non stop for a large hungry group of kids.
Good review. I asked on a previous video about the stove. It was nice to get even more info about it on this one. I can't wait to hear what you guys have planned next. It's too bad you gave away all your stuff and you weren't able to leave. On the bright side, sometimes it's nice to have a fresh restart of all of your gear. We are headed to Japan from the US in just over a months time. Your videos have been a huge help in letting us know what to expect. Cheers!
I got an American version use it when I go canoe camping the stove rocks boils huge amounts of water real quick, works in the wind and in really cold weather too, thanks for sharing, as usual not long enough lol Paul, UK
I have had one for 10 years now, and use it as well on our Defender camper trips, as secondary stove, or when trekking/hiking. But - I use it on petrol. Why? Petrol burns cleaner, and is (almost) stink free in your rucksack. I have mastered skills to fill the 600 ml bottle from the pump directly - sometimes even without the spillage:). The amount of petrol is so small I dont feel it too hard to top it up from time to time.
That's an awesome lifespan 😮 Have you ever had it block up? I agree diesel is the dirtiest burning of all the fuels that the Dragonfly can use but with our truck running on diesel we've got that unlimited supply and on an international full time trip it saves carrying an extra container for another fuel type. We use ours multiple times every day 😉
Yes, it did block up, when I foolishly on our last 2 week bicycle trip used an empty liquor bottle as a petrol container. That liquor had had too big sugar contents and thus seemingly empty bottle had some sugar sediments at the bottom:) After cleaning it was good to go again. I had to replace one o ring in the pump assembly so far.
I used one of these when I hiked in Nepal years ago. If it plugs up and you have to take it apart to clean out I recommend gloves or you will end up with black hands. Supper was late at the Tengboche Monastery.
I used a MSR Whisperlight while backpacking for years (bought around 1990), and bought a Dragonfly in 2000. We have the white gas versions, not the international /gas /diesel version and needle. Far prefer the Dragonfly, as much better flame control and a more stable base, but it’s loud for a stove when cooking. It has lots of tiny parts, but you can rebuild it all in the field or on the trail with ease.
Preparing food is faster with this I had Indian version call pump stove, run in kerosene,now day kerosene not available,now run with desile..when camp out side we use this, nice video make more videos on camping stuff..thank
Thought about a petrol burner but it is loud and you can not use it indoors. I now prefer the silent alcohol burner. The Trangia could be used with a multifuel burner too and has a lot of advantages.
I have the XGK stove that is built a bit more robust. Have used it since the mid 80's and really love it. Mine is super easy to clean even after burning diesel. Low maintenance and will burn any flammable liquid. Very good choice on the Dragonfly if you are not into expedition type camping. I used mine at over 7,000 feet , mountains and snow conditions. One quart lasted a week for snow melting water and cooking. I can't say enough about the MSR's. enjoy ................................
i have an xgk as well but the problem with the xgk is that it's an all-or-nothing stove, it really doesn't simmer or run well at a low flame setting it's really on or off. but the advantage of it is it's simplicity and robust construction, it always works and if it does clog when burning bad fuel it's quick and easy to clean.
I think that's the idea. Expedition camping almost requires you to be able to burn any type of fuel and as such wasting fuel on simmer is not in the cards with the XGK. Sometimes I wished it would ........😁........ enjoy@@anandarochisha
I too have the international fuel use Dragonfly. I have only ever ran it on white gas thus far. For some reason I have accumulated several dinner preparing stove/grill/ovens that don't take up much room in my off road trailer or truck. This allows me to have backups to my backups in the event it's too cold, too high elevation, out of one fuel, contaminated fuel, or just want a quick light and go, etc... My old Colemen dual fuel that was made in the 50's runs on white gas and gasoline, and I also have a LP generator I can use if I just want a quick meal or toting my big LP tank on a trip. So, that's three fuels that work on one stove. The MSR Dragonfly can run on a all kinds of liquid fuels (minus LP) and is my go to stove to operate under my light weight back packing oven from Bemco. I usually also carry DIY waterproof fire starters and fat wood sticks to make a fire to cook over. I retained the two SS grill plates off my old home backyard BBQ and can prop one or more of them on rocks with fire/coals under them. Again, this was not by design, but I'm not worried about running out of fuel, or having a stove failure in the middle of a trip in the middle of knowhere. I have options with options. Cheers!
I have 3 Dragonfly's. Had them years but only switched to diesel after your first video on it. Can't fault them to be honest and have never had one block or fail yet. We are moving away from our Coleman unleaded cooker to standardise on a single fuel. I assume your going to get a diesel hob for the inside of Grizzly?
We did originally plan that but after a recent solar and electrical upgrade we're seriously considering an induction cooktop for inside. We've been hearing great things about them recently.
@@leighdearle5965 that's definitely an option as long as you have the battery capacity. I started looking at those but I definitely won't have the battery capacity on my Landy to sustain it. Have been looking at the built in Wallace hob as you can get a heater top for it but they are very expensive. You already have the heater though. Look forward to seeing what you go for in a future episode and would be interested to hear what you did for your electronic upgrades.
@@davidwilkinson4382 if I went diesel I'd go with the Wallas but you're right they are incredibly expensive... We now have more than ample battery capacity we only need a good quality inverter. 2000W minimum for the cooker I'm looking at. An inverter plus the induction cooker is still half the price of the Wallas XC duo.
@@leighdearle5965 oh that looks nice. The added bonus is you can use the inverter for other tasks as well. Probably the better choice as you have the heater already sorted.
I’ve had a mat whisperlight international for almost twenty years, it always works great and is always in my Jeep unless I throw it in my pack. I’ve never run it on diesel though, like you said, no matter how careful you are diesel makes a mess.
Thanks for this video! I actually prefer it to those that start with unboxing, because I'm much more interested in the experience of using it (and after several months of use the box would be recycled, not available for filming). I wonder whether one could have a second fuel bottle with white gas for hiking? Though I don't find the smell of Diesel not all that horrible...
the dragonfly is a nice stove, as for what it will burn: white gas(naptha, bensin) unleaded automotive gas/petrol, diesel, kerosene, jet a aviation fuel, stoddard solvent cleaning fluid, paint thinner/petroleum distillate and biodiesel. it is noisy, some people have a problem with that but i actually find the sound the burner makes to be somewhat soothing... it's a bit heavy for warm weather backpacking but that's not really what it was designed for, it was designed for high-altitude mountaineering and snow/ice travel where you have to melt snow for drinking/cooking water and for that purpose it's relatively lightweight compared to other stove options.
Thanks for the video. The lamb chops look great! I would never burn diesel in my Dragonfly, or any other stove, unless it was an emergency. It burns very dirty, as you can see from the yellow flame on your own stove. That will eventually leave so much residue inside your fuel line that you will need a deep maintenance on your stove. Burning white gas (Coleman fuel) or water-white K1 kerosene will burn nice and blue, which is TONS cleaner than diesel can burn. The result is a cleaner burning stove, needing far less maintenance. I've been into camping stoves for over 40 years, and learned along time ago, that diesel and camping stove do not mix that well, especially if burned on a retular basis. For what it's worth. Take care, and God Bless! - Doc Mark
The whole point of his video is that he is overlanding with a diesel vehicle. He's not going to carry gallons of white gas just for the stove. Just pack an MSR maintenance kit and a spare bottle and pump and you're good to go.
@@JohnB-dr8sk , very good points, and well noted. for me, cooking with diesel fuel makes the food taste "off". Odd to that, the extra maintenance, and I'd go with kerosene over diesel, any day. But, if this Gentleman is set on using diesel, go for it. If I had to do that, I'd use the MSR X-GK EX over the Dragonfly, even though the DF is better at simmering. The X-GK EX can more easily handle dirty fuels, like diesel, with far less maintenance. Just my 'tuppence. I hope this Gentleman had a wonderful experience, no matter what he decides on the stove/fuel front!
@@markrutledge-docmark41 I have an MSR XGK and cooked a ton of food over it using diesel with no food smell issues. Whether it's the Dragonfly or XGK, you just have to make sure the stove is fully heated before using it. Then that yellow flame completely disappears. He was rushing it to show how the stove works in the video. Diesel lasts an amazingly long time compared to gas and kerosene, so it's also economical to use. And yes, the XGK is great for reliability, but it's pretty much a water boiling tool only unless you hold the pan higher like with a campfire. Regards, John
I wonder if the correct DK jet was used which might explain why it is burning yellow. DK being the jet for kerosene/diesel. The DG get is for gasoline/petrol
Hello Leigh. Thanks for this video, I really look forward to your new videos every week. I am busy kitting out my own overland vehicle and would not like to have propane in the vehicle. I have a MSR dragonfly which I use with benzene at the moment. I am interested to know how often you have to service MSR multifuel stove using diesel? Using the benzene I only check the O-rings and I have only had a full service done once in its lifetime of 15 plus years.
I’ve used an MSR Rapidfire stove which uses gas canisters, very good kit as is the windshield that comes with the stove. A couple of others had the pressurised liquid fuel bottles and if you don’t prime the bottle enough, when the flame is lit it can briefly produce a 2-3ft flame (hence never use inside a tent).
Lu Huang thank you 🙏. I had no idea there was a portable stove on the market that could run using diesel... much like G&B I run a diesel 4x4 and would love to utterlise just one fuel for as many of my appliances as possible.
I perfer to used benzine in a similar type of primus stove. The smell of the bezine, if leaked out in your backpack, disappears as the fuel evaporates which is not the case with petrol - the bag needs to be washed with soap.
hm, "couple minutes to get to cooking heat", "leaves black marks" (if not patient), smoke when firing up, Diesel smell? - doesn't sound like my wife would feel happy about it if I'd swap this in for our gas stove :-/ maybe as a backup solution?
Most truck and bus drivers keep something very similar to this in their vehicle and use it to cook all their meals and it’s really handy and safe and easy to maintain
I've never spilt any fuel on mountaineering and winter trips. It's not really a problem. You want to prime, light, then wait until the flame almost goes out before you turn up the flow, otherwise you're just wasting fuel and making smoke. How much to prime depends on how cold it is and how long the fuel line takes to heat up. Also, to be able to really depend on this stove, make sure to carry the MSR repair/o-ring kit for both the stove and the pump (or a spare pump). Oh, don't forget to wet the fuel line connector before inserting into the fuel pump :D tearing that o-ring inside is no bueno.
@@leighdearle5965 I'm sure you know already, but I added a bit above about the fuel line connector. The o-ring in the female connector on the pump gets the most wear. 😂
They're awesome stoves & I've taken one everywhere on many expeditions without any failures. I've grabbed a Coleman that can run on unleaded petrol for the overland rig & plan on changing my propane bottle holder to a 5 litre metal jerry can holder. Theory being, petrol is everywhere & 5 litres will definitely last between vehicle fuel stops on the road & it's a bit more like a cooker than a hiking stove. If I had more battery capacity I'd go induction for sure though.
Hi GrizzlyNBear, I love my msr and I use it for hiking as well, just a side note if you use it with white spirt it will produce no smoke runs really clean and no problem with the diesel or gas smell, in terms of weight/heat energy msr is much more efficient than propane. On a different subject the diesel tap you installed is an exident waiting to happen, the handle points down when closed if you will hit dirt/bush while you are driving it might open, and you will be spilling Diesel without knowing. Just reposition the tap so the handle is on the upper side of the tap or change the tap handle position so it will point upward when closed. Cheers and grate adventures.
Great advice thank you. I did want the tap facing up but it clashes with the outrigger of the chassis. You can't see it but there is a plug in the end of that diesel hose to prevent any spillage if the valve leaks or opens 😉
Integrated canister stoves like the MSR Windburner and Reactor actually let your bring a lighter fuel weight on short trips because of how efficient they are. For longer trips, the weight of the metal canisters add up so the advantage reverses.
@@מישהבלך Liquid fuel stoves can work at any altitude because of the manual pump. Canister stoves are a bit more interesting. You know canisters lose pressure in cold conditions. There are 2 interesting things to note: 1. stoves like the Windburner and Reactor have a pressure regulator. Simple canister stoves do not have pressure regulators. What this device does is to try to keep the fuel supply to the burner more stable across a range of temperatures (and therefore internal pressure). Stoves with pressure regulators can work in lower temperatures and are less affected by the internal cooling of the fuel during use. 2. When the atmospheric pressure is lower (which is the case at higher altitude), the pressure difference between inside and outside of the canister is greater, so canister stoves actually work better at higher altitude. This effect counteracts the effect of colder temperatures at high altitude.
Hi Leigh, I appreciate this is an old video, but I've just bought one of these for the same reason as you- diesel in the fuel tank. How are you getting on with it? More importantly, how often did the wick need changing? Cheers, Simon.
Good idea although the whole point of is using the Dragonfly is to minimise what we carry. The truck runs on diesel so we don't need to carry other fuel types 😉
Lu Huang yes, I understand that, I mainly referring to limiting the soot being generated. Metho would help limit that, especially if u had no choice but to cook inside if there was bad weather. U wouldn’t need much... it’s just a thought that’s all
I tell everyone to drop small propane bottles and go with a liquid fuel pump stove. Liquid V gas is no contest. My only complaint is the start up can be filthy. I use any type of alcohol to preheat when available because it cuts down on dirty starts.
For cooking indoors it can be accomplished, Just pre-heat the stove outside for a good 5 minutes, shutdown stove and re-ignite inside, but TAKE PRECAUTION, make sure the area is well-ventilated, and when done cooking, immediately remove outdoors to allow it to out-gas.
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Thanks for the information! This thing sounds like a rocket ship! I imagine you’ve had your share of bad diesel around the world. Does this stove work with all grades of diesel?
hey guy i hope you doing great love your chanel as you know i hope youll come to Montreal. maby i could show you around. for taht dragon fly do you know how much consomtion it burn / hour??? good luck wtih australien adventure if not like i said come in canada lol
Ha ha I know 😜 I actually spoke about it in the video but then cut it out because I didn't want the video to go long. I'm embarrassed to admit it but we don't have a Braai... 😔 We gave it away when we had to get rid of everything 😉
It runs a bit better on kerosene than diesel. Never run it on petrol though. I had a bad 😎experience of a tent fire also petrol ruins the rubber parts and the tubes.
Hello , since a long time i am following you , and please don t loose the spirit of an Australian adventure guy that you had before , i have the felling that nearly from your arrival in Japan , it s more and more ...commercial , ..sad . Please come back to your nature , je croises les doigts . Richard from Gers (F)with all my family living in OZ.
I have a Primus Optimus 111 multifuel burner that works on the same principles as yours do and I have one little trick for you. Preheat it with a cleaner burning fuel. I use 70 - 90% ethanol. (Cleaning/rubbing alcohol) You sure you don't get any spot with that yellow flame? My Optimus 111 burns bright blue and clean flame thats leave no soot at all but I also burn kerosine, that might be the reason it burns so much cleaner.
Good tip but the purpose of using the Dragonfly was to minimise the amount of gear we carry and standardise our fuel type. Our heater and cooker both use diesel. We don't want to have to carry any other fuel types. We used to have an alcohol stove but it was no good for an international trip as we couldn't find it in some countries where alcohol is difficult to find...
I see your point. I guess this wont be a consern in the nearest future, but in extreme winter/freezing conditions you should carry a more combustable fuel to preheat the stove as the diesel will be a lot harder to ignite. Once warm, the stove will burn diesel until the diesel no longer flows/gels up 👌
@@Mr.Engineer. during the winter in Korea we were using the stove in -20 degrees celcius. I was adding a few drops of winter diesel additive (anti gel) to the canister 😉
It doesn`t take muh alcoho to prime, and it is not a fuel. And look at the benefits as a whole. Your burner will eventually break if you don`t stopp using disel for the priming. I mean you are trying to educate people on how to use this stove, are you not. And you are doing it wrong. What you are doing is just plane stupid. Clearly you understand.
@@luhuang5256 awesome thanks again. I just remember the difference between throwing ULP on the fire compared to Diesel when I was growing up on the farm 😜
If you search the unit name and the store wild earth they list the burn times for the different fuels and also for boiling a 1ltr of water. The link is here but not sure it will show in this comment. www.wildearth.com.au/buy/msr-dragonfly-multi-fuel-hiking-stove-burner/S660-11774?gclid=Cj0KCQjw7ZL6BRCmARIsAH6XFDLUFJFk6NTipp_XuaNQbFzL5p5dAtAchZJbAnYyn04S3mOFkbAu9GUaAvqzEALw_wcB
Sympa le mec qui fait la cuisine. LOL J'ai le même système "primus" mais il me semble bien que le mien ne fonctionne qu'à l'essence alors que le 4X4 roule au gasoil... Très bon système avec un peu d'habitude plus efficace que le gaz mais il faut nettoyer régulièrement les buses.
Awesome bit of kit mate 😉 I forgot to mention in the video it comes with the kerosene nozzle installed. You need to change to the diesel nozzle which is included in the kit. Took me a week to realise that... Sometimes it pays to read the instructions first 📖😂
@@leighdearle5965 Thanks for the hot tip mate! I always have a jerry or 2 of diesel when were on bigger trips and I find that the butane stove only works well at sea level and in the summer... Due to the laws of thermodynamics, on winter high country trips the condensation on the nozzle freezes due to the gas expanding as it leaves the can which then blocks the gas line and makes for crappy cooking! I end up having to heat the gas bottle over the other burner and have to keep doing this several times to cook a meal properly! I also have a JetBoil, but mainly use that for heating water for coffee, soup or noodles etc. Liquid fuel stove looks like it might be the go! I could probably just but a small amount of the cold climate additive in the diesel for winter trips.
I cannot imagine the financial hit you took in getting rid of basically everything in order to travel to Australia. Forget that they denied you, a citizen, no less, but to have given it all away only to have to start from scratch seems utterly ridiculous and a massive deterrent to traveling there under any circumstances. Good luck to you both in recovering from what be both a mental and financial hit.
Funny thing is I've had the MSR fuel *bottle* for emergency fuel on the motorcycle for years now! Saved my bacon a few times but I haven't cooked bacon yet -- still need to get the stove X-)
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I've use dragon fly for almost 6 years already.
Btw, are you using the dk jet?
@@luhuang5256 yes we are but I'll be honest I used the wrong jet for the first week before I realised 😜
@@luhuang5256 sometimes reading the instructions first is a good idea 📖😂
I carried one of those with me every day in Afghanistan, back in 2005. It worked great. A few ounces of fuel that I could steal right out of the Jerry cans, and I could have hot coffee and chow out in the field. After 17 years, the stove still works like new.
Great bit of kit . Good idea for over landing travel were propane is hard to find . Thanks for sharing this . From Steve Stott in Sutherlin Oregon U.S.A.
I have been searching if a diesel / petrol stove is a thing for a long time and this beauty had never came up
Very cool. Didn't know this was possible!
Thanks for the great content and wishing you guys the best!
I've been using the MSR Dragonfly since the 90s. Back then I used it for backpacking, but I never could wrap my head around why they included a jet for petrol and diesel. Fast forward to today, and I am glad I never threw away the extra jet. The dragonfly cooks so much better than any other packable stove I've ever used.
Matt Jones Extra jet !? I don’t recall that.
@@anthonyhitchings1051 hmmm, now that you mention it, I think I've been carrying around a kerosene jet from an old whisperlight.
So no extra jet?
Love my MSR, i've had it for over almost 30 years and it's still going...keep me out of trouble on many trips.
That's very good to know thank you so much 🙏☺️
Hi are you using diesel? Do you have a link? Tnx
The Dragonfly is an awesome stove. I do highly suggest purchasing K1 kerosene as your primary stove fuel or gasoline/petrol if that is unavailable. Kerosene will burn much cleaner and more efficiently than diesel, so will gasoline/petrol.
Yeah diesel is only really used as an emergency thing in the multi fuel stoves as its harsh especially this stove as its harder to clean and has the extra valve, the XGK and Whisperlite can take the dirty fuels as they have the cleaning wire in the fuel line, though again even MSR recommends using white gas or kerosene and petrol and diesel in emergences etc. I have this the whisperlite and an old XGK all fantastic, spares and serviceable parts can be bought cheap online. True SHTF utilitarian stoves.
Thanks for exact amount of right information. Such simple kit requires no unboxing or installation review, otherwise I'd consider myself not ready for camping 🤔
Thank you 😉 I figured that most people don't need to see that initial set up. Anyway we have had it for 8 months now and I don't have the box 😜
Have this MSR dragonfly for about 20years. The flame sound is loud. I change the cup spreader to another type which reduce the noise alot. Still using it for my camping trip. The only problem I have is the difficulty to get the O ring spare part replacement. MSR don't ship to my country.
Mountain guides run multiple MSR XGK stoves under one pot to melt snow. Now that's LOUD :D
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You don't have to buy the MSR brand o-rings. Just e-mail MSR and they'll probably let you know the o-ring sizes and material. You can also find the sizes from online posts.
Lu Huang Dragonfly pump open/close valve using special kind of O ring that is thinner. I can't find it anywhere even online. Fuel leak from the valve.
I had one of those stoves in the 80's for backpacking and ran it on white gas. One bottle would last the entire 5 day trip. Slow to start up at 10,000 feet. I have a JetBoil now and would never go back. Nice video.
Jetboils are the business and absolutely nothing boils water faster.
We are using our Jetboil to cook basic food inside with the pan adapter at the moment.
The only issue we've had with the Jetboil is it's affected by high altitude and extreme cold.
We try to always use the propane / butane mix gas.
Very nice.
Crackin bit of kit leigh. We usded to use a multi-fuel unit in the ARMY's field kitchens---M52A was the burner designation.
I'd be interested in this as our trucks are diesel also. Cheers for sharing cobber. Hooroo for now.
Thanks heaps mate. Good to hear from you 😉
Fantastic! I like MSR products. Please do more gear review :)
Thank you so much. I am truck driver in Europe. I hate the gas stove because I must have 1 bag of adaptor to refill in Europe. I was wondering if it's possible with diesel. Great information
. . . and the bottle won't ice up in the cold like the propane ones do !!. Cheers.
Good point I should of mentioned that because it's a big feature.
Thanks a lot 😉
Can't get the diesel lit when it's too cold out. :p Takes a little effort.
Excellent bit of kit, handy to carry for emergency if you run out of other fuel.
We don't carry any other fuels only diesel 😉
Our truck, camper heating system and cooker all run on diesel.
Leigh, Steph, it the same principle as a Primus pressure stove and the tilly Pressure lamps which run off kerosene, and used methylated spirit's to preheat the burner or mantel, my dear old Mum used them 60 years ago when I was a Boy. fan from OZ PS she also had an iron fro ironing clothes which were filled with Petrol and lit when Hot Iron away
I have an old version of something like that in the garage unless one of my kids have it. I ran leaded then unleaded gasoline (petrol), kerosene, alcohol, number one diesel fuel, home heating fuel, pretty much anything that would light worked. Alcohol was the cleanest and easiest to use. Mine does not pack as small but it held very large pots to boil water and cook on. Look at the diesel kitchen stove if you want something for inside your camper, you do need to give it fresh outside air and a vent but once the griddle is hot you can make pancakes non stop for a large hungry group of kids.
Thank you for the video!! It was great information and yes I will buy one to add to my kit now that that you’ve shown me how to use it....
Good review. I asked on a previous video about the stove. It was nice to get even more info about it on this one. I can't wait to hear what you guys have planned next. It's too bad you gave away all your stuff and you weren't able to leave. On the bright side, sometimes it's nice to have a fresh restart of all of your gear. We are headed to Japan from the US in just over a months time. Your videos have been a huge help in letting us know what to expect. Cheers!
I got an American version use it when I go canoe camping the stove rocks boils huge amounts of water real quick, works in the wind and in really cold weather too, thanks for sharing, as usual not long enough lol Paul, UK
I have had one for 10 years now, and use it as well on our Defender camper trips, as secondary stove, or when trekking/hiking. But - I use it on petrol. Why? Petrol burns cleaner, and is (almost) stink free in your rucksack. I have mastered skills to fill the 600 ml bottle from the pump directly - sometimes even without the spillage:). The amount of petrol is so small I dont feel it too hard to top it up from time to time.
That's an awesome lifespan 😮
Have you ever had it block up?
I agree diesel is the dirtiest burning of all the fuels that the Dragonfly can use but with our truck running on diesel we've got that unlimited supply and on an international full time trip it saves carrying an extra container for another fuel type.
We use ours multiple times every day 😉
Yes, it did block up, when I foolishly on our last 2 week bicycle trip used an empty liquor bottle as a petrol container. That liquor had had too big sugar contents and thus seemingly empty bottle had some sugar sediments at the bottom:) After cleaning it was good to go again. I had to replace one o ring in the pump assembly so far.
@@MrLivajev once in ten years is pretty good I think 😉
I used one of these when I hiked in Nepal years ago. If it plugs up and you have to take it apart to clean out I recommend gloves or you will end up with black hands. Supper was late at the Tengboche Monastery.
I used a MSR Whisperlight while backpacking for years (bought around 1990), and bought a Dragonfly in 2000. We have the white gas versions, not the international /gas /diesel version and needle. Far prefer the Dragonfly, as much better flame control and a more stable base, but it’s loud for a stove when cooking. It has lots of tiny parts, but you can rebuild it all in the field or on the trail with ease.
I use my Dragonfly for winter camping on snow. Great stove for the cold.
Preparing food is faster with this I had Indian version call pump stove, run in kerosene,now day kerosene not available,now run with desile..when camp out side we use this, nice video make more videos on camping stuff..thank
MSR Dragonfly, one of the most versatile liquid stove, The best simmer of the camping gear. Regards from Patagonia.
Thought about a petrol burner but it is loud and you can not use it indoors. I now prefer the silent alcohol burner.
The Trangia could be used with a multifuel burner too and has a lot of advantages.
I have the XGK stove that is built a bit more robust. Have used it since the mid 80's and really love it. Mine is super easy to clean even after burning diesel. Low maintenance and will burn any flammable liquid. Very good choice on the Dragonfly if you are not into expedition type camping. I used mine at over 7,000 feet , mountains and snow conditions. One quart lasted a week for snow melting water and cooking. I can't say enough about the MSR's. enjoy ................................
i have an xgk as well but the problem with the xgk is that it's an all-or-nothing stove, it really doesn't simmer or run well at a low flame setting it's really on or off. but the advantage of it is it's simplicity and robust construction, it always works and if it does clog when burning bad fuel it's quick and easy to clean.
Exactly..does not simmer well, but it burns dirtier fuel..
I think that's the idea. Expedition camping almost requires you to be able to burn any type of fuel and as such wasting fuel on simmer is not in the cards with the XGK. Sometimes I wished it would ........😁........ enjoy@@anandarochisha
I too have the international fuel use Dragonfly. I have only ever ran it on white gas thus far. For some reason I have accumulated several dinner preparing stove/grill/ovens that don't take up much room in my off road trailer or truck. This allows me to have backups to my backups in the event it's too cold, too high elevation, out of one fuel, contaminated fuel, or just want a quick light and go, etc...
My old Colemen dual fuel that was made in the 50's runs on white gas and gasoline, and I also have a LP generator I can use if I just want a quick meal or toting my big LP tank on a trip. So, that's three fuels that work on one stove.
The MSR Dragonfly can run on a all kinds of liquid fuels (minus LP) and is my go to stove to operate under my light weight back packing oven from Bemco.
I usually also carry DIY waterproof fire starters and fat wood sticks to make a fire to cook over. I retained the two SS grill plates off my old home backyard BBQ and can prop one or more of them on rocks with fire/coals under them.
Again, this was not by design, but I'm not worried about running out of fuel, or having a stove failure in the middle of a trip in the middle of knowhere. I have options with options.
Cheers!
Wow, Leigh, your truck is so clean ! Looks like off the line from Sloihull
:):):)
Amazing stove.
I have 3 Dragonfly's. Had them years but only switched to diesel after your first video on it. Can't fault them to be honest and have never had one block or fail yet. We are moving away from our Coleman unleaded cooker to standardise on a single fuel. I assume your going to get a diesel hob for the inside of Grizzly?
We did originally plan that but after a recent solar and electrical upgrade we're seriously considering an induction cooktop for inside.
We've been hearing great things about them recently.
@@leighdearle5965 that's definitely an option as long as you have the battery capacity. I started looking at those but I definitely won't have the battery capacity on my Landy to sustain it. Have been looking at the built in Wallace hob as you can get a heater top for it but they are very expensive. You already have the heater though. Look forward to seeing what you go for in a future episode and would be interested to hear what you did for your electronic upgrades.
@@davidwilkinson4382 if I went diesel I'd go with the Wallas but you're right they are incredibly expensive...
We now have more than ample battery capacity we only need a good quality inverter. 2000W minimum for the cooker I'm looking at.
An inverter plus the induction cooker is still half the price of the Wallas XC duo.
www.ecopot.com.au/product/ecoheat-smarttouch/
@@leighdearle5965 oh that looks nice. The added bonus is you can use the inverter for other tasks as well. Probably the better choice as you have the heater already sorted.
I’ve had a mat whisperlight international for almost twenty years, it always works great and is always in my Jeep unless I throw it in my pack. I’ve never run it on diesel though, like you said, no matter how careful you are diesel makes a mess.
Thanks for this video! I actually prefer it to those that start with unboxing, because I'm much more interested in the experience of using it (and after several months of use the box would be recycled, not available for filming).
I wonder whether one could have a second fuel bottle with white gas for hiking? Though I don't find the smell of Diesel not all that horrible...
the dragonfly is a nice stove, as for what it will burn: white gas(naptha, bensin) unleaded automotive gas/petrol, diesel, kerosene, jet a aviation fuel, stoddard solvent cleaning fluid, paint thinner/petroleum distillate and biodiesel. it is noisy, some people have a problem with that but i actually find the sound the burner makes to be somewhat soothing... it's a bit heavy for warm weather backpacking but that's not really what it was designed for, it was designed for high-altitude mountaineering and snow/ice travel where you have to melt snow for drinking/cooking water and for that purpose it's relatively lightweight compared to other stove options.
Thanks for the video. The lamb chops look great! I would never burn diesel in my Dragonfly, or any other stove, unless it was an emergency. It burns very dirty, as you can see from the yellow flame on your own stove. That will eventually leave so much residue inside your fuel line that you will need a deep maintenance on your stove. Burning white gas (Coleman fuel) or water-white K1 kerosene will burn nice and blue, which is TONS cleaner than diesel can burn. The result is a cleaner burning stove, needing far less maintenance. I've been into camping stoves for over 40 years, and learned along time ago, that diesel and camping stove do not mix that well, especially if burned on a retular basis. For what it's worth. Take care, and God Bless! - Doc Mark
The whole point of his video is that he is overlanding with a diesel vehicle. He's not going to carry gallons of white gas just for the stove. Just pack an MSR maintenance kit and a spare bottle and pump and you're good to go.
@@JohnB-dr8sk , very good points, and well noted. for me, cooking with diesel fuel makes the food taste "off". Odd to that, the extra maintenance, and I'd go with kerosene over diesel, any day. But, if this Gentleman is set on using diesel, go for it. If I had to do that, I'd use the MSR X-GK EX over the Dragonfly, even though the DF is better at simmering. The X-GK EX can more easily handle dirty fuels, like diesel, with far less maintenance. Just my 'tuppence. I hope this Gentleman had a wonderful experience, no matter what he decides on the stove/fuel front!
@@markrutledge-docmark41 I have an MSR XGK and cooked a ton of food over it using diesel with no food smell issues. Whether it's the Dragonfly or XGK, you just have to make sure the stove is fully heated before using it. Then that yellow flame completely disappears. He was rushing it to show how the stove works in the video.
Diesel lasts an amazingly long time compared to gas and kerosene, so it's also economical to use.
And yes, the XGK is great for reliability, but it's pretty much a water boiling tool only unless you hold the pan higher like with a campfire.
Regards, John
I wonder if the correct DK jet was used which might explain why it is burning yellow. DK being the jet for kerosene/diesel. The DG get is for gasoline/petrol
Hello Leigh. Thanks for this video, I really look forward to your new videos every week.
I am busy kitting out my own overland vehicle and would not like to have propane in the vehicle. I have a MSR dragonfly which I use with benzene at the moment.
I am interested to know how often you have to service MSR multifuel stove using diesel?
Using the benzene I only check the O-rings and I have only had a full service done once in its lifetime of 15 plus years.
I’ve used an MSR Rapidfire stove which uses gas canisters, very good kit as is the windshield that comes with the stove. A couple of others had the pressurised liquid fuel bottles and if you don’t prime the bottle enough, when the flame is lit it can briefly produce a 2-3ft flame (hence never use inside a tent).
On avais pas trouver au diesel, c’est ce qu’on cherchait pour le 4x4 c’est tellement pratique, merci pour la vidéo 👍
Hiya....so the Dragonfly set-up is both the MSR bottle and cooking stove combined?
The bottle is bought separately.
The fuel bottle is usually sold separately.
Lu Huang thx guys..So I have a MSR 887ml fuel bottle already ... or do I have to buy a Specific one for the Dragon Fly?
@@streakychambers658 Your bottle should work.
Lu Huang thank you 🙏. I had no idea there was a portable stove on the market that could run using diesel... much like G&B I run a diesel 4x4 and would love to utterlise just one fuel for as many of my appliances as possible.
The non-stick pan is bad for health. We switched to stainless or cast iron. Otherwise, I approve 😅😅👍🏻👌🏼
I perfer to used benzine in a similar type of primus stove. The smell of the bezine, if leaked out in your backpack, disappears as the fuel evaporates which is not the case with petrol - the bag needs to be washed with soap.
Benzene is carcinogenic (ok more so than the other options). Would not recommend.
you should chek out the BRS 7 stove, it also burns diesel
Hi is it still working well? I have a diesel truck and diesel heater.. im wondering hows the longevity of thi diesel stove.? Let me know tnx
hm, "couple minutes to get to cooking heat", "leaves black marks" (if not patient), smoke when firing up, Diesel smell? - doesn't sound like my wife would feel happy about it if I'd swap this in for our gas stove :-/ maybe as a backup solution?
Most truck and bus drivers keep something very similar to this in their vehicle and use it to cook all their meals and it’s really handy and safe and easy to maintain
I've never spilt any fuel on mountaineering and winter trips. It's not really a problem. You want to prime, light, then wait until the flame almost goes out before you turn up the flow, otherwise you're just wasting fuel and making smoke. How much to prime depends on how cold it is and how long the fuel line takes to heat up. Also, to be able to really depend on this stove, make sure to carry the MSR repair/o-ring kit for both the stove and the pump (or a spare pump).
Oh, don't forget to wet the fuel line connector before inserting into the fuel pump :D tearing that o-ring inside is no bueno.
Great advice thank you 🙏😉
@@leighdearle5965 I'm sure you know already, but I added a bit above about the fuel line connector. The o-ring in the female connector on the pump gets the most wear. 😂
salut et au plaisir de vous rencontrer au canada je travail aussi pour une ligne aerienne au canada des fois !!!
They're awesome stoves & I've taken one everywhere on many expeditions without any failures. I've grabbed a Coleman that can run on unleaded petrol for the overland rig & plan on changing my propane bottle holder to a 5 litre metal jerry can holder. Theory being, petrol is everywhere & 5 litres will definitely last between vehicle fuel stops on the road & it's a bit more like a cooker than a hiking stove.
If I had more battery capacity I'd go induction for sure though.
Really enjoy your videos
Even if its not a nice day outside you can use it ;) they work great at high alt or really cold because of the manual pressurizing capabilities.
Hi GrizzlyNBear,
I love my msr and I use it for hiking as well, just a side note if you use it with white spirt it will produce no smoke runs really clean and no problem with the diesel or gas smell, in terms of weight/heat energy msr is much more efficient than propane.
On a different subject the diesel tap you installed is an exident waiting to happen, the handle points down when closed if you will hit dirt/bush while you are driving it might open, and you will be spilling Diesel without knowing. Just reposition the tap so the handle is on the upper side of the tap or change the tap handle position so it will point upward when closed.
Cheers and grate adventures.
Great advice thank you.
I did want the tap facing up but it clashes with the outrigger of the chassis.
You can't see it but there is a plug in the end of that diesel hose to prevent any spillage if the valve leaks or opens 😉
Integrated canister stoves like the MSR Windburner and Reactor actually let your bring a lighter fuel weight on short trips because of how efficient they are. For longer trips, the weight of the metal canisters add up so the advantage reverses.
@@leighdearle5965 if you have a plug you are all set up! thumbs up
@@luhuang5256 this is something I was not aware of, thanks for the info, what regarding working at high altitude (above 4000m) do they do the work?
@@מישהבלך
Liquid fuel stoves can work at any altitude because of the manual pump. Canister stoves are a bit more interesting. You know canisters lose pressure in cold conditions. There are 2 interesting things to note: 1. stoves like the Windburner and Reactor have a pressure regulator. Simple canister stoves do not have pressure regulators. What this device does is to try to keep the fuel supply to the burner more stable across a range of temperatures (and therefore internal pressure). Stoves with pressure regulators can work in lower temperatures and are less affected by the internal cooling of the fuel during use. 2. When the atmospheric pressure is lower (which is the case at higher altitude), the pressure difference between inside and outside of the canister is greater, so canister stoves actually work better at higher altitude. This effect counteracts the effect of colder temperatures at high altitude.
To make the black soot easy to remove put some soap on the bottom first. Works for open fires just as well.
Hi Leigh, I appreciate this is an old video, but I've just bought one of these for the same reason as you- diesel in the fuel tank. How are you getting on with it? More importantly, how often did the wick need changing? Cheers, Simon.
It doesn't burn as clean as petrol or kerosene but it is good enough by the looks and it is nice to be able to use diesel.
For the start you can use 70-90% alcohol in the catch can instead of diesel.
It will make the heating up much cleaner....
Good idea although the whole point of is using the Dragonfly is to minimise what we carry.
The truck runs on diesel so we don't need to carry other fuel types 😉
Hi and thanks for the video, exactly what I was looking for. How long does it burn before needing to pump more pressure?
How do you refill the small tank with diesel ?
the pump assembly is also a screw-in cap.
just hold the bottle upright, and unscrew the pump from the bottle.
Cool, but why couldn’t you use metho (white spirits) in the initial stage of lighting your stove?
Not necessary. The stove can be primed and preheated with the fuel being used.
What Lu said 😜
We want to minimise our fuel types and equipment where we can. Our truck runs on diesel.
Lu Huang yes, I understand that, I mainly referring to limiting the soot being generated. Metho would help limit that, especially if u had no choice but to cook inside if there was bad weather. U wouldn’t need much... it’s just a thought that’s all
@@robmacca67 I see. Actually, I suppose you could heat the vaporizer with a butane canister torch or lighter for a bit. I'll try that in a few days.
I tell everyone to drop small propane bottles and go with a liquid fuel pump stove. Liquid V gas is no contest. My only complaint is the start up can be filthy. I use any type of alcohol to preheat when available because it cuts down on dirty starts.
For cooking indoors it can be accomplished, Just pre-heat the stove outside for a good 5 minutes, shutdown stove and re-ignite inside, but TAKE PRECAUTION, make sure the area is well-ventilated, and when done cooking, immediately remove outdoors to allow it to out-gas.
thats a landrover :) are you nz? im scotish , looking for diesel stove but i know for backpacking gas is prob better
Get the little quiet cover..cuts the noise in half..I love mine..
Au secours !!!! Qu'est ce que tu fait frenchy ? Je pige que dalle quand le kangourou parle sans les sous-titres !
Il pourrait pas parler français comme tout le monde ! 🤣🤣🤣
Bon je vous mets un pouce 👍 mais c'est bien parce que c'est vous !
I'm everytime wondering me...wich kind of People give a thump down? Exellent videos ,every time👌👏✌
Long time ago y use MSR multi fuel...and now change with Trangia
Thanks for the information! This thing sounds like a rocket ship!
I imagine you’ve had your share of bad diesel around the world. Does this stove work with all grades of diesel?
hey guy i hope you doing great love your chanel as you know i hope youll come to Montreal. maby i could show you around. for taht dragon fly do you know how much consomtion it burn / hour??? good luck wtih australien adventure if not like i said come in canada lol
Now thats a great idea 👍
If you prime with alcohol, it's safe inside. I use kerosene, which is a lot more pleasant than diesel anyway
Wow a magic pan 😲
Cooking on car gas since 1983, after problems with camping gaz in switserland...
First Viewer..Yeahhhh !!!! Those mutton chops should have gone on the Braai Mate
Ha ha I know 😜
I actually spoke about it in the video but then cut it out because I didn't want the video to go long.
I'm embarrassed to admit it but we don't have a Braai... 😔
We gave it away when we had to get rid of everything 😉
@@leighdearle5965 That is the sad part of your current situation....Hope you will get a braai soon...best way to cook food.
Just love how you do research and find what works for you. I think it is a must if you want to overland succesfully
It runs a bit better on kerosene than diesel. Never run it on petrol though. I had a bad 😎experience of a tent fire also petrol ruins the rubber parts and the tubes.
Hello , since a long time i am following you , and please don t loose the spirit of an Australian adventure guy that you had before , i have the felling that nearly from your arrival in Japan , it s more and more ...commercial , ..sad . Please come back to your nature , je croises les doigts . Richard from Gers (F)with all my family living in OZ.
Can’t wait for you to cook dinner for us ❤️🥰😍
I have a Primus Optimus 111 multifuel burner that works on the same principles as yours do and I have one little trick for you. Preheat it with a cleaner burning fuel. I use 70 - 90% ethanol. (Cleaning/rubbing alcohol) You sure you don't get any spot with that yellow flame? My Optimus 111 burns bright blue and clean flame thats leave no soot at all but I also burn kerosine, that might be the reason it burns so much cleaner.
Good tip but the purpose of using the Dragonfly was to minimise the amount of gear we carry and standardise our fuel type.
Our heater and cooker both use diesel.
We don't want to have to carry any other fuel types.
We used to have an alcohol stove but it was no good for an international trip as we couldn't find it in some countries where alcohol is difficult to find...
I see your point. I guess this wont be a consern in the nearest future, but in extreme winter/freezing conditions you should carry a more combustable fuel to preheat the stove as the diesel will be a lot harder to ignite. Once warm, the stove will burn diesel until the diesel no longer flows/gels up 👌
@@Mr.Engineer. during the winter in Korea we were using the stove in -20 degrees celcius.
I was adding a few drops of winter diesel additive (anti gel) to the canister 😉
It doesn`t take muh alcoho to prime, and it is not a fuel. And look at the benefits as a whole. Your burner will eventually break if you don`t stopp using disel for the priming. I mean you are trying to educate people on how to use this stove, are you not. And you are doing it wrong. What you are doing is just plane stupid. Clearly you understand.
Great review (and sorry I'm late), but I'm ALMOST certain this stove won't run on Benzene, lmao.
Thought you on plant based
This diesel stove is amazing and really handy and useful in overlanding and touring
Looks great, but there's no way I'd put petrol in it!
I'd be hesitant as well to be honest...
I'm ok with diesel burning but petrol explodes 😜
@@leighdearle5965 No problem with petrol exploding unless you have accumulated a fuel vapor and oxygen mixture somewhere.
@@luhuang5256 awesome thanks again.
I just remember the difference between throwing ULP on the fire compared to Diesel when I was growing up on the farm 😜
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How long would that bottle in the demo last ?
We use it at least once a day and it lasts around 2 weeks 😉
Leigh Dearle thx for reply. The bottle is 600ml ? ..,that makes it far cheaper to run than a propane option.
If you search the unit name and the store wild earth they list the burn times for the different fuels and also for boiling a 1ltr of water. The link is here but not sure it will show in this comment.
www.wildearth.com.au/buy/msr-dragonfly-multi-fuel-hiking-stove-burner/S660-11774?gclid=Cj0KCQjw7ZL6BRCmARIsAH6XFDLUFJFk6NTipp_XuaNQbFzL5p5dAtAchZJbAnYyn04S3mOFkbAu9GUaAvqzEALw_wcB
Matt Robinson thx for the link. Will check it out
Sympa le mec qui fait la cuisine. LOL J'ai le même système "primus" mais il me semble bien que le mien ne fonctionne qu'à l'essence alors que le 4X4 roule au gasoil... Très bon système avec un peu d'habitude plus efficace que le gaz mais il faut nettoyer régulièrement les buses.
Did you mention it runs on Diesel...? 😏
😂😂😂 By the way did you know...
Did I mention... 😜
I want to know you when we come to Turkey👍
We came to Turkey in 2015 and 2018.
We love your country ☺️
Thanks!
Love it
You passed through the city where I was last year. I would host you
Ma mère a eu des dîner -partagé, mais elle a dit qui a cuit quoi.
Currently Googling MSR dragonfly 🤘
Awesome bit of kit mate 😉
I forgot to mention in the video it comes with the kerosene nozzle installed.
You need to change to the diesel nozzle which is included in the kit.
Took me a week to realise that...
Sometimes it pays to read the instructions first 📖😂
@@leighdearle5965 Thanks for the hot tip mate! I always have a jerry or 2 of diesel when were on bigger trips and I find that the butane stove only works well at sea level and in the summer... Due to the laws of thermodynamics, on winter high country trips the condensation on the nozzle freezes due to the gas expanding as it leaves the can which then blocks the gas line and makes for crappy cooking! I end up having to heat the gas bottle over the other burner and have to keep doing this several times to cook a meal properly! I also have a JetBoil, but mainly use that for heating water for coffee, soup or noodles etc. Liquid fuel stove looks like it might be the go! I could probably just but a small amount of the cold climate additive in the diesel for winter trips.
Yeah, get the food away until the stove is fully primed. Diesel is not a very heathy spice.
Nice, but gosh how noisy but a big objection- No Steph 😉👍
The microphone was close so it sounds a bit noisier than it actually is 😉
@@leighdearle5965 Oh! I see and understand
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I cannot imagine the financial hit you took in getting rid of basically everything in order to travel to Australia. Forget that they denied you, a citizen, no less, but to have given it all away only to have to start from scratch seems utterly ridiculous and a massive deterrent to traveling there under any circumstances. Good luck to you both in recovering from what be both a mental and financial hit.
First Viewer Yeahhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Funny thing is I've had the MSR fuel *bottle* for emergency fuel on the motorcycle for years now! Saved my bacon a few times but I haven't cooked bacon yet -- still need to get the stove X-)
I prefer white gas when it's available.