I Think Free Speech is on FIRE | The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2024
- On this special edition of “The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe,” I chat with Greg Lukianoff, president of Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), about historical reasons why many Americans are hesitant to say what they really mean and what we can do to push back against cancel culture.
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The "right to not be offended" is bad enough, but what's worse is that they think it's fine to offend us, it's only what offends THEM they believe should be banned! It's narcissistic hypocrisy!
The level of entitlement required for one to belive all previous generations shall self-censor to accommodate their feelings is mind-boggling. Only through trauma-based mind control is this even possible. Today, we can easily identify the people who consume media by outward appearance. (All sides)
This is not coincidence. Put down the device, get offline and live in the real world before it is no longer an option.
So true .
Yup
It's not hypocrisy. They have one, consistent standard: they hate you
Spot on.
I remember when we just ignored people we didn’t agree with.
Exactly. Wtf happened nowadays? The world's gone crazy.
"You're not actually safer for knowing less about the world." Perfect ending to a great interview!
Cast the truth into the light and if there are people who cant handle it oh well
what a quote for sure
Yo what the hell kind of last name is that?
Tell that to people who try to hide the brutal history of our nation from the children.
Mike Rowe 2024!! How many times we must say it!? America is calling, Mr. Rowe!
If we love him, and we do, don't wish that horror upon him.
@@chrisbetsy898 Reluctantly, understood. God Bless!
Someone who tries to stifle the speech of others is someone who wants to control others and/or is afraid of differing opinions because they're not convinced theirs is correct.
And to that I add--->. Words are the purest form of communication and when there's a movement towards stifling that communication, you can be certain that it is being exercised by a group of people whose sole existence is threatened by those very words.. it's that simple. These political terrorists ( including mainstream journalists ) are using words to combat our words. Their words are free but our words are treasonous. Maybe it is time to pick up a bat.
"Counter speech is not shouting someone down..."
EXACTLY!
Another good quote is “the more I learn, the more I realise how much I don’t know” to keep you humble
My grandmother who was born 1903 used tell me the 2 ears and 1 mouth all the time growing up. But she also said to walk in someone shoes before you judge or condemn and make your own decisions not to let someone make them for you. After 50 great years in skilled trades it has served me well and if you do something you love it's never work to this day I never look at the clock except to make sure I'm not late.
I saw this starting 24 or more years ago in comment sections online. I could not believe that I had to tell people that they don't have a right to not be offended. Now they have weaponized it into prosecuting people for it.
Agree to disagree has been the original point of freedom of speech. Listening to each view point, regardless if you agree..shows respect. Mike; keep rocking the free world.
Yes, and not expecting everybody else to go along with your world view.
I want people to feel free to speak their minds, I want them to have an opinion.
When you stop them from talking, you do not stop them from thinking, al you do is drive it underground. And when you drive an idea underground, it grows.
People like having forbidden knowledge. Being able to say "the state wants to silence me" is a wonderful promotional line
You may not stop “them” from thinking, but you’ll stop the subsequent generations from thinking. If they’re never allowed to hear any other side of any issue, they have no basis to question it. It’s not about shutting US down, it’s about shutting our kids and their kids down.
From a veteran it is so sickening to see people get attacked for free speech
That means your just another veteran that doesn’t have a damn clue what free speech is !
It has nothing to do with free from recourse !
If you call me something I can not punch you but I can fire you , I can not shop at your store etc ! Free speech does not mean no recourse for what you say ! I get so sick of that IM A VETERAN , that means nothing ! I know a lot of drug dealers and drug traffickers that are veterans I have seen pedos that was veteran! That means nothing
Free speech protects you from the government. Not society. Grow a pair.
@veganhigler6541 Senator Sanders and Schumer both have vocally criticized Israel. Lots of people have actually. As long as you don’t conflate Judaism with the politics of Israel.
@@NandR"vegan" did this also on my post, I replied and then my comment was removed and I got a "hate speech" notice from RUclips threatening to take away my posting privileges. So, "vegan" is basically proving our point about the threat to Free Speech.
@@RogCBrand FREE SPEECH IS NOT PROTECTED ON PRIVATE COMPANIES' WEBSITES. Free Speech concerns the government restricting your speech, not other people.
Free Speech Equals "We can agree to disagree and still be friends!" You Still Matter... A Lot!
Let's get back to having respect and manners. Intelligent conversation goes a long way.
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Etiquette is baffling to those in their twenties.
The right to say what you say also includes your opponent's right to refute it.
Mike rowe will always be a notable figure in my book
I'm glad I grew up in the 80s and 90s. No BS no social media no cell phones. No feelings to worry about. Comedy has gotten hit hard by having to watch what you say about or joke about things.
"the right to not be offended" The ability to not be offended resides inside of US. It is our ability to "IGNORE" instead of becoming offended.
Ecclesiastes 7:9 "Do not be quick to take offense, for the taking of offense lodges in the bosom of fools."
Good reminder, thankyou.
Oof. A Bible quote. Nobody's ever used that book's words to harm people...
@@shawnmayo8210 I guess we do have to be balanced also. And think about how our words will affect others. There is also a scripture at Colossians 4:6 that says "Let your words always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should answer each person"
AMEN!!!!! I try to be polite, simply on principle, but that's never stopped me from expressing my opinion.
In about 2002 Salman Rushdie said "You don't have a right not to be offended." And that was on NPR. I think it was an interview on Talk of the Nation, one of their best shows. It's always been true. It's true now, and the fact that they are trying to defeat truth is why everyone is miserable and everything is falling apart.
Lol man people are so uneducated these days. Look up neo-liberalism for me bud
Mr. Rowe is on my Mount Rushmore of podcasters. And he always has the right questions for those he interviews.
Keep it POLITICALLY INCORRECT BaBy!!😁👊😁
We have the right to free speech, but now everything seems to be made as "hate or racist speech" if someone doesn't like your opinion. So where does that leave us with having free speech?
Not to care what people think.
I don’t care what you call me, I’ll say whatever I want!
when you can loose your job, friends, family and livelihood over something you said; you start caring. you must be like 8 years old@@RealMTBAddict
@@hughneutron5303yeah they make you care about what they think through coercion.
Need to take the power out of those words, focus on issues, and call out baseless attacks on personal character in place of valid debate.
Agree 100%. There is no such thing as "the right to not be offended." Cancel Culture has done more harm than good. Free speech-whether you like what someone is saying or not-is a guaranteed right by our constitution. So, we have to respect that right regardless of the uses of it. As a wise line in a movie noted, free speech isn't just about defending the flag, it's also about defending the right to burn that flag in effigy.
If we truly want our country to be enlightened and edified, then the key is to express that right using wisdom and consideration.
We all need to just take a chill pill and get back to some of the emotionally, mentally, and physically healthier choices that made this country great in the first place. We can all start by listening in order to understand, rather than tolerating in order to shut out. 💖
We’ve followed you for many years, my husband and I feel Mike that you should run for President. You should know this country pretty well.
"You're not actually safer for knowing less about the world". Pretty on point. I've always said that defending speech of people we not only disagree with, but who may have what we consider absolutely disgusting opinions, is more important than protecting speech we love and agree with.
We've been supporters of F.I.R.E. for years. Their school rankings are very informative.
In my life i lost almost every job i had because i offended someone with my use of free speech .My response has always been thanks now i can get a better job that pays more .Your loss of my skills will cost you more than me losing this job . Have a nice day .
In other words, this shit is not new. Today or 100 years ago if you tell the boss his wife is a fat ugly cow, you get fired.
Free speech also requires accountability, should not applicable to media companies hiding behind a phalanx of attorneys. It’s nice in theory to say that we have freedom of speech but we don’t have equal access.
Good point.
We may not have equal access but we have better access than we have had before. This is the thing that is scaring the media companies and others who have had control of the narrative for so long. They are fighting to maintain their power. This is why it is so important to stand up to them.
Since no one knows ALL…We do not live for reality, we live foe our fantasies. Enjoy yours, but don’t force yours on others.
As a retired tenured faculty member at Stanford (and an alumnus of the University), I completely agree with you. The idea that anyone- who presumes to be educated, or desires to be an attorney- has the right, let alone the responsibility to assure that a point of view may not be heard- must be strongly repudiated.
It is is important to note that despite a strong statement by the dean, apparently none of the demonstrating students received any form of penalty for their actions.
I cannot even express how much I agree with this. We are losing the right to free speech. And the fragility of those who prioritize being offended. This is the underpinning to our extreme political situation. Thanks for fighting for it for us all!
@7:45 "causing this community" Ahhhhh these are law students. Who are going to practice law. Which scares the hell out of me.
Cant wait for the Fire Festival!!!❤
Best part about it was "People bring their twitter persona to real life" and yeah... remember people "Congress shall make no law..." a school telling you not to scream and chant when a speaker is talking isn't violating your right to free speech.
Tyranny does not go away thru debate.
Our speech , our vocabulary has been hijacked.
We are on FIRE!!!! RFK jr, Bobby has been winning cases for this every day. RFK jr 2024
I recall a time while attending university when it was welcoming to attend lectures by orators with differing points of view. It helped strengthen one’s belief system and rarely changed it.
So it had the opposite effect that it should've. Not sure you quite get the point of arguing different pov. It's to open your mind to more possibilities, not to make you doggedly cling to 'beliefs' instead of facts. Dialect vs debate. One is for better, the other is worse. If the latter is what you focused on, trying to win an argument on some silly merit instead of finding the truth in a situation through a meaningful discussion, then you did it wrong and it's no wonder the world is in the state it's in.
My Mee-maw used to wax profoundly from time to time. (We haven't heard from her since she died.) One of my favorites applies to the arrogance of the populace today. She'd wag her finger at obvious puffery and say,
"Don't get so full of yerself that there's no room for the Holy Ghost."
Every time you think of the lesson she taught you you’re hearing from her😊
THANKS MIKE
Once again, 'free speech' is about speech that you do not like. It's just not that hard.
Thank you Mike and Greg!
I would always want to know what people think and want and the only way to really know that is via free speech. I want to know who is hateful or wants Marxist agendas in government. I want to know what people really think about other people. Silent people never reveal their true intentions. It’s better to know who the threat is. Or know who believes in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Good and bad can only be known when everyone can freely express themselves. Social media has become the primary source of information for our society. They have taken advantage of this and are currently silencing people who express different opinions. If a company wants to operate in our nation’s borders then they need to respect our Constitution. Social media took advantage of us and pushed it to an illegal level when they worked with federal agencies to suppress free speech. Both the government and the media are in violation of our 1st Amendment. They need to be sanctioned.
Social media is not included in the free speech amendment! That’s just stupid to think so
The media is not required to uphold your free speech. The government is. These corporations are private entities who can disassociate themselves from people they believe will hurt their profits.
The whole dang country has things all twisted up.
Oh I could go into a rant about so many things that people have doubts standards about what someone one else did, buy they see nothing wrong with anything they do themselves.
The list is too long to even get started on, because then if you stand up for your rights, which happens to be what the country was based upon, then your pounded into the ground and called prejudice and worse.
Yet those who are the guilty of prejudice is the ones pounding everyone else saying they are the ones.
It's maddening beyond words that things have gotten to the point that it has, and it's only going to get far worse long before it ever gets close to being better for everyone
People need to learn the old adage "Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one." Doesn't mean you turn into one because of a difference of opinion.
Left or right, if someone says they're offended, I always replace that in my head with "I can't defeat your logic and I'm angry that you won't believe me without evidence".
Love this comment,
Oh my god the number of times I push back on certainty. People are certain of the most bizarre and unknowable things and will defend it to the end for no reason and with no basis. It's amazing.
I remember when the debating teams prepared for war, duked it out in the prescribed manner, took no prisoners and arguments were judged. Then victors and vanquished retired to the bar and celebrated the competition of debate. And basically obliterated themselves for the evening.
Been there , lived that , 1981-84 , those were the best of times ,,,,
Thank you Mike👍🏼
How much easier is it to take away Rights from someone who doesn't know they have them?
Mike, you are who i want as president.
I know it is a Dirty Job, but we need leadership.
You would have my vote.
By throwing the phrase "hate or racist " are supposed to give them the power to shut you up.
Wow! Thanks for clearing the air once again Mike!
Well said, great interview 👍
So, this situation sounds like they need to revise their rules for meetings and order at Stanford. If you want it to be a socratic discussion so that you can learn from a speaker, then use rules of order that govern that intent. If you want an open meeting then inform the guest that it is an open meeting.
Sounds to me like Stanford's event organizers really dropped the ball here.
Excellent! Go FIRE
Well done again Mike! Thank you for your amazing work!
What the heck ever happened to we agree to disagree on some subjects? To letting a person present their opinion then being able to give a rebuttal to their statement.
I found that the music playing while they were speaking a bit distracting. To me it added an overtone that didnt quite match what was being said.
You nailed it Mike!
God bless you Mike
Masterpiece Theater - World On Fire....history always repeats itself as German Cancellor Otto von Bismark famously said, "what we learn from history, is that no one learns from history."
I appreciate Greg's positive, cheerful attitude in the current state of this country. He is uplifting and hopeful. I needed to hear him. Mike you have always bern an encourager too. Praise YaH for men like you still standing for our Country. 🙌🏻YaH bless you both. YaH bless America. YaH bless us everyone. 🙏🏻🇺🇸🎈
Slander is not protected speech. The truth must be preserved.
The internet has become the ambulance in the saying; "A Lawyer chasing an ambulance." In some states it looks like that is illegal. I think the term is barratry.
I noticed a lot of communication discord during the days of "hanging chads" and "disenfranchisement." People sure did take sides.
The preamble to the Bill of Rights states clearly that the intention of the BoR was to keep the government from "Misconstruction or abuse of authority." Any compromise to the BoR is allowing them to do just that.
Thank you
Amen! ❤🎉
Stay Awesome Mike !!!!!!
Thanks
Well said...
Well said, Mike! Thanks. :)
Universities have become unrecognizable. It's a shame.
Amen, Amen and AMEN!
I’ll never forget when Phil Robertson (I hope im remembering his name correctly) from Duck Dynasty was “cancelled” for his comments about traditional marriage. This was when the “cancel culture” first manifested in its current iteration. I said then that he should be able to express his opinion without losing his job, and my liberal friends responded with “we have freedom of speech, but that doesn’t mean you are free from consequences”. I knew then that they were twisting things. What “consequences” are appropriate for free speech? It seems to me that the “consequences” rarely fit the “crime” these days, but they’re using this against us and against free speech, bc can you say speech is free when you can say one thing the mob doesn’t agree with, or deems “hateful”, and the consequences for doing so is that they dox you, come for your job, your livelihood, your reputation, and your legacy? Those aren’t “consequences for free speech”, those are punishments for diversity of thought, and I’m sick of it. There’s no freedom of speech when your government uses private actors to silence you, but that’s different than what I’m talking about (albeit just as bad if not worse), I’m talking about when your neighbors will align against you in a malicious way bc you said something they disliked, and by “neighbors” I mean anyone who comes in contact with what you said. It used to be that the damage could be contained, that one could only be “punished” by a few ppl if they didn’t like what you had to say. Now, however, it’s global, and bc so many ppl can be reached, their voices are amplified in ways we’ve never seen before. The only thing that can possibly temper cancel culture, I think, is the fact that it eats its own. NO ONE can say ANYTHING without risking offending SOMEONE, so eventually all of these ppl will piss someone off. The only real question is how much we lose between now and then. It’s disgusting.
Agree 100%
more people need to share this
Too true...
If there is a group of people who want to keep you from speaking, should they even be allowed to discuss the merits of censoring you?
Well said
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Mike Rowe 2024
I am an old guy and I just can’t even believe how bad this has gotten. When I was working I lived in a predominantly conservative work force. We had a good friend who lovingly named our “token liberal”. We had many many conversations debating ideas. It was good for me at a relatively young age to learn our basic foundations were the same even if our ideas on getting things done were different. I don’t think young people now would even associate with non similar thinking people. They consider them enemies. What a terrible place we have made for ourselves.
Nice.
Freedom of speech means we have already preaccepted *_ANY_* reaction to our own action, and that alone is needed in order for us to pick our battles. It's so important to own our actions and the more we do that, the more we will make sure we are doing something right because we have to care if we are to stand up for something.
We need less safespaces because or else the younger one's will never know how to take a kick to the teeth and get back up again. This safespace mindset only creates weak people, and weak is a choice. This is why the only choice available should be to fight and do something for oneself, because that's the only thing that will make your life better. Safespaces are made so that people should give up, which to me is tragic.
Not everyone is equipped to fight. And they shouldn’t have to. I’d say what kind of people are we raising that someone would need to fight to live? I grew up getting bullied and made fun of. Maybe it made me tougher. I don’t know. But it definitely hurt my self confidence. I was always told to stand up and defend myself. But it would have been a lot nicer if I never had to in the first place. So I treat people with respect. When I see we disagree on something I just accept that. I feel these days the people who are most often offended are the ones who claim everyone is too easily offended and they cry about wokism. It has to be tiring. Society changes. It always has. The young people now will be out of touch when they get old.
@@NandR Standing up for ourself is a choice, and if we got a pulse we have choices. You need to understand that you are right here and now telling yourself that you should not stand up for yourself and that you should not have to. That is the choice you are making.
Before you say anything I can tell you that I've been bullied shitloads myself in my childhood, and even my nanny tried to kill me when I was 5 years old. My past wasn't all fun and games, and none of that can tell me what I should or should not do in my future - I will. I am the owner of me which means I decide whether I turn left or right in the next intersection. Never underestimate the power of thought and the power of choice.
Wiah I could thumbs up this 1000x
Ditto. (Well...except I _wish_ I could thumbs-up this a thousand times. 😉)
Thx Mike!
That's why I'm voting for RFK Jr for President ❤
Truth I just that.
Basic communications: Speaking and listening. Old and retired, it just seems who talks the fastest and /or the loudest, wins. So, where is the dialog to understanding. My nightmare is having been the boss, and asking a group of supervisors for feedback about what worked or what did not work in a project, and getting dead silence!
Mike Rowe is simply the best..period
Hey Mikey! I like this podcast very much. Great content and subject matter. Mikey for California Governor! Cheers, Mate.
Free speech & other rights, once widely enjoyed in most 1st world countries has been steadily & subtly taken from us for decades. It was carefully orchestrated by people with a much larger agenda. Defectors from the USSR warned that communist ideology & division is being sown in schools & universities throughout the world. That was in the 80s! Society is in trouble. On a side note, if law students dont learn to debate & listen to things they find unpleasant in the classroom how do they expect to do their job in the courtroom. The ability to calmly debate is paramount to success in the courtroom. Without a radical shift in power our society as we know it is done. Read the gulag Archipelago. That is our future on this current trajectory.
Even though the contents of the opinion imposed used to different in other eras, America was never known for its great ideological tolerance, compared to older culture countries. In general, having a too divergent or conspicuous opinion or debating too much was seen as the sign you had no real job or no real business of your own.
Mike Rowe for president 2024
I like this
At the end, it explains there is less humiliation for being ignorant.
Great guest. It would be great if Mike hosted Chris Rufo and or James Lindsay on to discuss these issues. Seeing that one was a former liberal and the other grew up in a devout communist family and ended up leaving to inform others. Both have made the same claim that within the Communist circles it's been a bragged about claim that they've taken over a vast amount of colleges since 1992. After being involved in politics and culture since 2000. I believe what we are witnessing is pretty much the same thing that happened in Mao's China in 1949 with the cultural revolution. In the US there's been a misconception that the Right has all the power but actually most that are informed are aware that the Left has control of the majority of institutions. Colleges, Media, Non Profits, BIg Business. In light of that it was around 2012, 2014 when the Arab Spring went down along with Occupy Wall Street and of course the cherry on top with Trump's election. The establishment elites started to panic that they were losing control over the minds and lives of the public. There was a rapidly growing number of people waking up to the collusion and corruption. So the current radical left along with the establishment right have been creating their own red guard youth by reaching out and empowering the fringe groups to go after the dominant group that they've been demonizing constantly. It's not a coincidence that every divisive hot button topic have all been unleashed at once. Then at the same time tens of millions of immigrants are let in, punishment for crimes is lessened, Police forces are gutted, defending oneself becomes a crime. All that we are witnessing is not a natural phenomenon. It's orchestrated by the global elites and those that have no loyalty to their sovereign nations. There are also scholars who have said that this is been implemented by the global elites because of Lucidities trap. Where one world power the US is challenged by a rising power China and to stop a world war, One power is forced to what they call sunset. Allowing the other to rise to a new Global leader. That being the case which do you think the elites would choose to go with in a time of uprising ? The one that promotes freedom or the one that is has techno totalitarian rule and some of the lowest human rights scores? As of today Pittsburgh PA. Just massively scaled back their Police presence to now they won't be responding to burglaries, theft, and many other crimes and with only have 8 officers covering the entire city during certain hours. Seems to me the people are being punished for daring to fight for their rights.
Please use paragraphs.
Ketanji Brown Jackson SCOTUS, the woman who couldn't define woman because she wasn't a biologist; just said that she's worried about citizens hamstringing government with the 1st Amendment. Wow... just wow. I need my safespace!