I have these and whereas I wouldnt go climb on rocks with them because I like my savings, they are my go to indoor training shoe. Sensitive and sticky heel, extremely sensitive and sticky toe for those coin sized footholds and they are very comfortable (2.5 EU sizes down, could go three but there would be zero benefit). For an indoor setting, both bouldering and ropes, this shoe is the most intuitive and fun experience. Just keep in mind they wont last very long, out of the box they already felt like they needed a resole. Foot painted in rubber is very much an accurate representation of what it feels like to climb in these. Also he is right in that it fits high volume feet as well - I have very wide feet and thanks to D-tech it adjusted to shape of my foot extremely well. Also he nails it with the "feels like having suporpowers with a stiffer shoe". These really get you used to being careful, powerful and accurate with your feet, and when you get on the rock with a different shoe, it feels so much easier after you train with these. They really are THE training shoes on the market, nothing can beat these.
This is such a great informative comment! I'm about to order a pair but I'm not sure how far to downsize. I know these are made on the same last as my Solution Comps, which I wear 1.5 EU sizes down from my street shoes. My Solutions are just barely wearable with that much downsizing. Do you also own a pair of Solution Comps to compare? I wonder if it's safe to downsize a bit further with the Mantras and hope that they conform and stretch enough to be comfortable. Or maybe it's better to just get them in the same size as my Solutions to be conservative.
@@GrimacesGameNuggets Solutions I go down 2 sizes, but its not a shoe that really fits me, I dont climb in it. With the Mantras, I couldve gone 3 sizes down even, they are super soft. If you went anything less than 2.5 sizes down, you wouldnt be able to get any power down whatsoever. They are super comfy out of the box even with 2.5 sizes down anyways.
@@alexbarcovsky4319 I've heard it said once that downsizing a very soft shoe has very diminishing returns, since shoes stop being soft and sensitive if you turn your foot into a fist inside it.
@@TrackpadProductions You absolutely have to downsize soft shoes because you need the power. The "softness" that you get from the shoe reffers to a lack of a midsole therefore better sensitivity and adaptation to the surface you stand on (less material between the toe and the rock), not the overall "bendiness" of the shoe as a whole. You wouldnt be able to microedge and push into textured rock if you didnt downsize. There are couple of pros climbing in Theorys outdoors, maybe ask them on instagram how much they downsize. My guess is they will tell you anything between 2,5 and 3,5 sizes. I only climb 8a/7B outdoors and had around 10 pairs of climbing shoes so far so maybe a pro can explain it better.
@@alexbarcovsky4319 Oh, no, no, don't misunderstand, I'm not saying you don't need to downsize soft shoes. My futuras are 4 EU sizes smaller than my street shoes, trust me; I know all about _that._ I'm saying that, beyond a certain point, you start to lose the benefit of the softer midsole and rubber, since you're forcing so much foot into so little space and reducing it's ability to flex.
The upper is not made out of leather, it’s microfiber, so the shoes almost does NOT stretch over time (max 0,5 size). I chose to down size 2,0 EU sizes, it took me 1 month, climbing 3 times a week, to be able to slide me foot inside without a plastic bag and it is still super difficult to put it on and off, which annoys me a lot since I was hopping that a slipper would be easy. It is painful to use them for almost anything, volumes are great, but so is my Evolv Shamans that are aggressive & super comfy, so of course I prefer to wear them for basically anything at the gym. Mantra is such an specific shoe that I would really not recommend, go for another model or a different brand and purchase a shoe that perfectly fits your feet and provides what you are looking for (in most cases a better performance at the gym). Oh, and one final point, he said “affordable shoes”, in Germany it costs around 130€ in average, which is considered a high-end shoe, it is expensive, specially because you basically need to re-sole after 2 or 3 months using 3 to 4 times a week at the gym, in comparison to my Shamans, after 6 months it is starting to show a bit of wear. I wish you all the best!
Just bought it for 73€ (Globetrotter) and it fits in my normal la Sportiva size 38,5. For the first time I needed a plastic bag, but now they are quite ok and has the form of my feed. Btw, my normal size is 41,5/42.
Hey so I got the mantra and my right feels super good not tooo tight not too loose like a sock but my left still fits really good but a little tighter than the right shoe but when I walk it makes a slight farty feel u can’t hear it but I can feel it on my foot it don’t feel like it’s loose or too tight but the sizing feels great this is my 1 time wearing them climbing farty feel only happens when walking will this go away after time or should I soak show and let it dry on foot maybe
Please list the authorized resoleres in the US for this style of shoe and a link to obtain the highly custom 2mm-1mm edgeless sole toe rubber. While i think that these have a place and are really a cool shoe design, I do not buy that these will last as long let alone as longer than traditional edged 4mm shoes, particularly those with XS Edge rubber. 2mm is nothing to wear down in the tiny area under and around the big toe, and it is the soft Grip 2 rubber. I imagine they will last around 20 hrs.
I’m skeptical of the 2mm durability as well. However I will say that I have a pair of Futuras (no edge) that I have yet to need to resole even though I have climbed on them a fair amount.
The Mantra is now available at Backcountry ( bit.ly/3BmncAc ). See more retailers and current prices here: weighmyrack.com/shoe/la-sportiva-mantra
I have these and whereas I wouldnt go climb on rocks with them because I like my savings, they are my go to indoor training shoe. Sensitive and sticky heel, extremely sensitive and sticky toe for those coin sized footholds and they are very comfortable (2.5 EU sizes down, could go three but there would be zero benefit). For an indoor setting, both bouldering and ropes, this shoe is the most intuitive and fun experience. Just keep in mind they wont last very long, out of the box they already felt like they needed a resole. Foot painted in rubber is very much an accurate representation of what it feels like to climb in these. Also he is right in that it fits high volume feet as well - I have very wide feet and thanks to D-tech it adjusted to shape of my foot extremely well. Also he nails it with the "feels like having suporpowers with a stiffer shoe". These really get you used to being careful, powerful and accurate with your feet, and when you get on the rock with a different shoe, it feels so much easier after you train with these. They really are THE training shoes on the market, nothing can beat these.
This is such a great informative comment! I'm about to order a pair but I'm not sure how far to downsize. I know these are made on the same last as my Solution Comps, which I wear 1.5 EU sizes down from my street shoes. My Solutions are just barely wearable with that much downsizing. Do you also own a pair of Solution Comps to compare? I wonder if it's safe to downsize a bit further with the Mantras and hope that they conform and stretch enough to be comfortable. Or maybe it's better to just get them in the same size as my Solutions to be conservative.
@@GrimacesGameNuggets Solutions I go down 2 sizes, but its not a shoe that really fits me, I dont climb in it. With the Mantras, I couldve gone 3 sizes down even, they are super soft. If you went anything less than 2.5 sizes down, you wouldnt be able to get any power down whatsoever. They are super comfy out of the box even with 2.5 sizes down anyways.
@@alexbarcovsky4319 I've heard it said once that downsizing a very soft shoe has very diminishing returns, since shoes stop being soft and sensitive if you turn your foot into a fist inside it.
@@TrackpadProductions You absolutely have to downsize soft shoes because you need the power. The "softness" that you get from the shoe reffers to a lack of a midsole therefore better sensitivity and adaptation to the surface you stand on (less material between the toe and the rock), not the overall "bendiness" of the shoe as a whole. You wouldnt be able to microedge and push into textured rock if you didnt downsize. There are couple of pros climbing in Theorys outdoors, maybe ask them on instagram how much they downsize. My guess is they will tell you anything between 2,5 and 3,5 sizes. I only climb 8a/7B outdoors and had around 10 pairs of climbing shoes so far so maybe a pro can explain it better.
@@alexbarcovsky4319 Oh, no, no, don't misunderstand, I'm not saying you don't need to downsize soft shoes. My futuras are 4 EU sizes smaller than my street shoes, trust me; I know all about _that._
I'm saying that, beyond a certain point, you start to lose the benefit of the softer midsole and rubber, since you're forcing so much foot into so little space and reducing it's ability to flex.
The upper is not made out of leather, it’s microfiber, so the shoes almost does NOT stretch over time (max 0,5 size). I chose to down size 2,0 EU sizes, it took me 1 month, climbing 3 times a week, to be able to slide me foot inside without a plastic bag and it is still super difficult to put it on and off, which annoys me a lot since I was hopping that a slipper would be easy. It is painful to use them for almost anything, volumes are great, but so is my Evolv Shamans that are aggressive & super comfy, so of course I prefer to wear them for basically anything at the gym. Mantra is such an specific shoe that I would really not recommend, go for another model or a different brand and purchase a shoe that perfectly fits your feet and provides what you are looking for (in most cases a better performance at the gym). Oh, and one final point, he said “affordable shoes”, in Germany it costs around 130€ in average, which is considered a high-end shoe, it is expensive, specially because you basically need to re-sole after 2 or 3 months using 3 to 4 times a week at the gym, in comparison to my Shamans, after 6 months it is starting to show a bit of wear. I wish you all the best!
Just bought it for 73€ (Globetrotter) and it fits in my normal la Sportiva size 38,5. For the first time I needed a plastic bag, but now they are quite ok and has the form of my feed. Btw, my normal size is 41,5/42.
La Sportiva Mantra : "Lightest Shoe till date"
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Hey so I got the mantra and my right feels super good not tooo tight not too loose like a sock but my left still fits really good but a little tighter than the right shoe but when I walk it makes a slight farty feel u can’t hear it but I can feel it on my foot it don’t feel like it’s loose or too tight but the sizing feels great this is my 1 time wearing them climbing farty feel only happens when walking will this go away after time or should I soak show and let it dry on foot maybe
Please list the authorized resoleres in the US for this style of shoe and a link to obtain the highly custom 2mm-1mm edgeless sole toe rubber.
While i think that these have a place and are really a cool shoe design, I do not buy that these will last as long let alone as longer than traditional edged 4mm shoes, particularly those with XS Edge rubber. 2mm is nothing to wear down in the tiny area under and around the big toe, and it is the soft Grip 2 rubber. I imagine they will last around 20 hrs.
I’m skeptical of the 2mm durability as well. However I will say that I have a pair of Futuras (no edge) that I have yet to need to resole even though I have climbed on them a fair amount.
Yeah, ok, it's nice, but I really, really, really wish you guys would bring back the Kendo...!
So if I wear 42.5 in Finale, you think 41.5 should be what I aim for here? Thanks!
What is the difference between this Mantra and the Speedster model? they seems very similar to me
Thinner, softer all around and different toebox toerubber
The difference is that the Speedster is disscontinued and not made anymore. Mantra is an evolution of the Speedster.
The Mantra has D-Tech; No-Edge rubber on the front and the sides. The Speedster just has it on the front. So think Speedster and Theory combined.