I lost hope in studying and being apart of the online MBTI community because of the lack of positive discussions and topics put forth into sensors types and their functions as much as intuition types and intuition functions. I've also learned that sensor types online is commonly stereotyped and viewd as being simple, and ordinary compare to the creative, and unique intuition types. I just read books about cognitive functions and personality types to better understand myself and other types including typology of fiction works with my inner circle. The online MBTI community on YT, Google, and forums predicate itself to pander soley to intuition types and their woes leaving only the talk of differences of behavior between intuition and sensor.
I think it's because a lot of people in the community are teenagers(people who want to find themselves) or people who feel misunderstood and when they are first introduced to mbti, they see it as a shiny little label to justify their actions and flaws. For example a lot of intjs in the community use being an intj to justify their apathetic behaviour. Or people tend to say they're infjs because infjs are seen as rare and misunderstood types. Instead ESFPs are seen as shallow party animals and well nobody wants to be that in the community so they just say that they're another type. It's a mix of harmful stereotypes and personal need for validation, which ultimately puts them in a box with no capacity to grow. (Sorry for any grammatical errors, I'm not a native English speaker)
Boy, if I had a dime for everytime I saw a supposed "INFJ" complaining about an "SJ parent" or portraying sensors in a bad light in general... I'd have a lot of dimes I really didn't have a joke prepared. The typology community is generally passively hostile towards sensors, it seems only ISTPs dodge the negative stereotypes but the remaining seven, especially SJ, are beaten around like punching bags. It's no wonder they're so rare compared to intuitives in communities.
Thst never made sense to me... if Ns are allegedly way more into MBTI than Ss, those statistics of quantity would be completely worthless, right? (Obviously, statistics thst test or poll people are always going to be pretty shallow). 16% are ISTJs, yet they are not very interested in MBTI?? But then I guess Si might be more interested than Se, but still, Se is not going to be a usable statistic. What really is if concern is that INFJs statistic would really be inconceivable as a result of S not being interested in MBTI, I would think....
I “love” how everybody in the MBTI/Functions community worships INFJs but you hardly hear anything about ENFJs. It’s like we’re almost completely forgotten about.
I find it particularly strange because when I was first introduced to this subject the bias wasn't nearly as strong. I think it was more interesting to hear people talk about the types from a more or less neutral point of view.
@@ArmChairTypology I only started my in-depth study around 2019ish. But I do wish people could be more open-minded to the idea that they COULD be sensors. You don’t have to be an intuitive to be “special”. Besides, being an intuitive type can feel pretty lonely at times, at least for me anyway.
@@allisong.4280 What I think what has happened is that in becoming so isolated the community has walled itself off from reality. It's become less of a hey there's 7 billion people all of whom have interesting characteristics to be explored through the lens of this subject, and more hey here's a group of ~50-100 people I know that represent the "types". I'll cover this in another video but it's a lot like having a group of 50 people who like the color red and 50 that like blue. Then saying oh well all people that like the color red are like "xyz" and people who like blue are like "abc".
@@ArmChairTypology I believe that something that heavily contributes to this is the "axis" of the cognitive functions. I think the way that they're set up causes people to feel that they are either this, or that. MBTI does not really support a middle ground and actively polarizes the types. I think the Objective personality system attempts to make this less of a flaw, but... I'm not sure we should be surprised to see bias in a system that seems to have bias at its core.
Hi ;) When you touched on the emotional area at the end I remembered a time when the news interviewed many random people and informed them of a new concept. Something like we had to move to the next sign for e.g aries to taurus, leo to virgo etc., due to a new planet that had somehow appeared on the sky. Majority of people said they would keep reading their horoscope messages as they were used to regardless of the new planet. Any personality thing I've read so far highlights things we all like and could be proud of but people seem to attach to what they already know so they almost suffer I would say to let go of any label they've accepted as theirs if it is nice. Words are beautiful, some more than others that's why language is important. So I guess mistyping is a good portion of not searching further due to attachement.
This is a very interesting video, something that I've been wondering about for a while. I tested INTJ, but many of the stereotypes don't match well, cognitive functions don't give much clarity (not good with my own emotions, feel blind with regards to myself), and more relevantly, the INTJ type seems to be heavily gate kept. I keep wondering about the stats behind it and whether or not me wishing to be INTJ is forcing me to see myself as such. Its really hard for me to figure out what I am when every piece of incoming data has to be treated as highly suspicious. I guess that's only partially related to the topic, but feels more related than it is to me.
This is entirely understandable considering the community. One of the best books in psychological type that would be helpful is called "Lectures on Jung's Typology" by Marie von Franz.
There are 17 million posts for #beyonce, but there is only one Beyoncé. I like to think of the INFJ as a “shaman”, in broader sociocultural terms. Of course people will be googling shamans, doesn’t mean they are one. And I think people don’t only search for their own type. At least I didn’t, ever since the beginning. I made my friends take the test and googled their types. And I have also guessed people's types (successfully in most cases) Great video again, although I’m confused about what the actual bottom line here is. But you did a great job by covering a number of ideas around this topic. Se and Ne feel very different, on the other hand, how can anyone know, when you can never be in another person’s shoes. Also: What is there to learn about sensation? It can be summarized in one sentence. But uhm, there I go again, making difficult and grossly negligent statements.
I guess this is a chicken and egg problem. Why is there a bias towards sensors if intuitive aren't naturally drawn to mbti. It seems to be that the fact that sensors are the minority in this community created an atmosphere for the bias to develop.
I lost hope in studying and being apart of the online MBTI community because of the lack of positive discussions and topics put forth into sensors types and their functions as much as intuition types and intuition functions. I've also learned that sensor types online is commonly stereotyped and viewd as being simple, and ordinary compare to the creative, and unique intuition types. I just read books about cognitive functions and personality types to better understand myself and other types including typology of fiction works with my inner circle. The online MBTI community on YT, Google, and forums predicate itself to pander soley to intuition types and their woes leaving only the talk of differences of behavior between intuition and sensor.
I think it's because a lot of people in the community are teenagers(people who want to find themselves) or people who feel misunderstood and when they are first introduced to mbti, they see it as a shiny little label to justify their actions and flaws. For example a lot of intjs in the community use being an intj to justify their apathetic behaviour. Or people tend to say they're infjs because infjs are seen as rare and misunderstood types. Instead ESFPs are seen as shallow party animals and well nobody wants to be that in the community so they just say that they're another type. It's a mix of harmful stereotypes and personal need for validation, which ultimately puts them in a box with no capacity to grow. (Sorry for any grammatical errors, I'm not a native English speaker)
Boy, if I had a dime for everytime I saw a supposed "INFJ" complaining about an "SJ parent" or portraying sensors in a bad light in general... I'd have a lot of dimes I really didn't have a joke prepared. The typology community is generally passively hostile towards sensors, it seems only ISTPs dodge the negative stereotypes but the remaining seven, especially SJ, are beaten around like punching bags. It's no wonder they're so rare compared to intuitives in communities.
I think that the mistypes when it comes to isfp and istj are probably pretty high
as an ISFP, this is way beyond true
Isfps? They don’t have a bad stereotype
Thst never made sense to me... if Ns are allegedly way more into MBTI than Ss, those statistics of quantity would be completely worthless, right? (Obviously, statistics thst test or poll people are always going to be pretty shallow). 16% are ISTJs, yet they are not very interested in MBTI?? But then I guess Si might be more interested than Se, but still, Se is not going to be a usable statistic. What really is if concern is that INFJs statistic would really be inconceivable as a result of S not being interested in MBTI, I would think....
I “love” how everybody in the MBTI/Functions community worships INFJs but you hardly hear anything about ENFJs. It’s like we’re almost completely forgotten about.
I find it particularly strange because when I was first introduced to this subject the bias wasn't nearly as strong. I think it was more interesting to hear people talk about the types from a more or less neutral point of view.
@@ArmChairTypology I only started my in-depth study around 2019ish. But I do wish people could be more open-minded to the idea that they COULD be sensors. You don’t have to be an intuitive to be “special”. Besides, being an intuitive type can feel pretty lonely at times, at least for me anyway.
@@allisong.4280 What I think what has happened is that in becoming so isolated the community has walled itself off from reality. It's become less of a hey there's 7 billion people all of whom have interesting characteristics to be explored through the lens of this subject, and more hey here's a group of ~50-100 people I know that represent the "types".
I'll cover this in another video but it's a lot like having a group of 50 people who like the color red and 50 that like blue. Then saying oh well all people that like the color red are like "xyz" and people who like blue are like "abc".
@@ArmChairTypology I believe that something that heavily contributes to this is the "axis" of the cognitive functions. I think the way that they're set up causes people to feel that they are either this, or that. MBTI does not really support a middle ground and actively polarizes the types. I think the Objective personality system attempts to make this less of a flaw, but... I'm not sure we should be surprised to see bias in a system that seems to have bias at its core.
Hi ;) When you touched on the emotional area at the end I remembered a time when the news interviewed many random people and informed them of a new concept. Something like we had to move to the next sign for e.g aries to taurus, leo to virgo etc., due to a new planet that had somehow appeared on the sky. Majority of people said they would keep reading their horoscope messages as they were used to regardless of the new planet. Any personality thing I've read so far highlights things we all like and could be proud of but people seem to attach to what they already know so they almost suffer I would say to let go of any label they've accepted as theirs if it is nice. Words are beautiful, some more than others that's why language is important. So I guess mistyping is a good portion of not searching further due to attachement.
This is a very interesting video, something that I've been wondering about for a while. I tested INTJ, but many of the stereotypes don't match well, cognitive functions don't give much clarity (not good with my own emotions, feel blind with regards to myself), and more relevantly, the INTJ type seems to be heavily gate kept. I keep wondering about the stats behind it and whether or not me wishing to be INTJ is forcing me to see myself as such. Its really hard for me to figure out what I am when every piece of incoming data has to be treated as highly suspicious. I guess that's only partially related to the topic, but feels more related than it is to me.
This is entirely understandable considering the community. One of the best books in psychological type that would be helpful is called "Lectures on Jung's Typology" by Marie von Franz.
Good video. Yeah this community irritates me.
There are 17 million posts for #beyonce, but there is only one Beyoncé. I like to think of the INFJ as a “shaman”, in broader sociocultural terms. Of course people will be googling shamans, doesn’t mean they are one. And I think people don’t only search for their own type. At least I didn’t, ever since the beginning. I made my friends take the test and googled their types. And I have also guessed people's types (successfully in most cases)
Great video again, although I’m confused about what the actual bottom line here is. But you did a great job by covering a number of ideas around this topic. Se and Ne feel very different, on the other hand, how can anyone know, when you can never be in another person’s shoes. Also: What is there to learn about sensation? It can be summarized in one sentence. But uhm, there I go again, making difficult and grossly negligent statements.
I guess this is a chicken and egg problem. Why is there a bias towards sensors if intuitive aren't naturally drawn to mbti. It seems to be that the fact that sensors are the minority in this community created an atmosphere for the bias to develop.