As a native Polish bushcrafter, I have to make a remark. In my area, when using an alcohol cooker, there is a high risk that the alcohol will be used for consumption purposes.😂
I have 2 wood gas stoves & they both work very well with wood pellets. Just fill the stove with dry pellets & then you light the fire on top of them. They run smokeless that way for a long time & pre-weighed bags of dry pellets in a plastic bag with a fire lighter are small to pack in a plastic bag, so ideal for a day trip.
👍👍👍 .. I also use the Compressed Charcoal Briquettes when I'm not in a rush (or 'stealth cooking' on my 3rd floor flat balcony .. the 'Swiss Grannies' see everything and frown upon such Neanderthalism 😁). Lightweight and considering the perceived 'bulk', give a respectable length of burn. Four Briquettes give me Breakfast Oats / Bacon and Egg, Toast and Coffee. Nine Briquettes, wrapped in a plastic bag (reusable) fit nicely into a one litre ziploc freezer bag and slot into my day pack without any problem. Great as a bonus, when one wants to reduce the fire hazard in more sensitive areas but still want to use a wood-burner.
When I was a young man, I enjoyed occasionally going out into the wilderness to camp. Most folks these days don't seem to understand the difference between true wilderness camping and the local private, county, provincial, state, or national camp ground, where you have access to plumbed water and full electric service. Now, in my later years, having lost my wife and on the verge of losing my dog and cats, I find myself seriously considering a more spartan life in the wilderness. To that end, having adequate information about certain equipment is paramount. Your video has been quite informative. Of course, I find it disturbing that you had to remind people that certain products and practices in the wilderness can lead to catastrophe, but that goes more to the older generations not teaching critical knowledge to the younger, but to me it's like trying to remind people to not stand in a puddle and stick a fork in a power outlet. Still, all in all, I greatly appreciate your expertise and willingness to share it. Now I have a better idea of what type of stove(s) to carry with me. I look forward to viewing any other videos you have on survival equipment.
Used all kinds of stoves over decades. Trangia is the most practical because it works well in hard wind. With lesser windscreens you loose the saved weight in fuel efficiency. In reality the Trangia system is just extremely difficult to beat. The Trangia windscreens work well with the Optimus Polaris and Primus Omnifuel stoves too.
Trangia also has gas and multi-fuel burners available. Everyone always says they are old and outdated, but I still believe they are hands down the best! It's like carrying a small kitchen.
Although it's now considered old fashioned, I still use my tried and tested Coleman Multi-Fuel. Well built, low centre of gravity, works in all conditions, no loss of pressure ( with a few occasional pumps) and no separate containers or gas canisters. I work on the principle of if it isn't broken, don't change it.
Thats a very good principle! If everybody followed that to not change things that's not broken then the whole planet would be not as polluted as it is today... We should be careful with the environment and start taking responsibility for what kind of world we leave to the next generations... / Matti
Fantastic to see your grandmother's alcohol stove. I've never seen one with the hinged simmer ring before, great idea to prevent you losing the simmer ring. If going for more than two nights I take my ancient MSR Whisperlite Internationale which I bought in California in the early 1980's, over 40 years old and I've only needed one replacement pump. The stove is so old it has a serial number on it , 082. I live in Scotland and once you are above the tree line you have to have a stove and fuel with you. I also carry a "fuel/stove of last resort", a heximine stove,with fuel, . . . 'just in case' . . . I enjoy your videos, great to hear your dogs singing a lullaby. Happy trails.
Thanks! It's really lovely with gear that have been with you or even with the grand parents. The newest gear is maybe better but not the same soul. 😀 /Matti
Good video! I sometimes use a Primus 96 for day hikes - I bought it about 50 years ago for 37 pence - the the equivalent of 5 kroner I think. You have to be patient when starting but I find it frugal on fuel and it’s lovely to use, if a bit noisy.
My favorite stoves are Optimus VEGA and the 25 gramm LIXADA. I used several Primus in the past but I was disappointed because they didnt hold up, they rust, and also I had issues connecting Primus gas canisters to ( Primus) stoves. OPTIMUS rock solid. I dont alcohol stoves cause the risk of putting the forest on fire is to big, especially in dry seasons like the 2022 summer in Europe. WOW, your dogs sound amazingly beautiful. Cheers.
Sometimes I think that a brand like Primus make some models that's great and some that's crap and then the same with Optimus and so on. ...and the old models seems to very often keep a little bit higher quality. 😀 /Matti
I so enjoyed this video, factual and so understated, so Swedish and a refreshing change from the usual style of videos of which stove boils faster. My favourite is making coffee outdoors with the Trangia, it's so relaxing and like you say boil times just don't matter when you are outside in nature. The dog chorus just made my day.
Thanks! I really want to try to focus on different things than most of other youtube channels. Thanks for the feedback that can give us an direction where we should aim. 😀 /Matti
Hi Matti, I am a new subscriber to your channel and just want to say how much I enjoy your totally honest and unbiased reviews. They manage to be both entertaining and informative. Regarding the alcohol stoves I'm surprised you didn't mention bioethanol as a fuel. It's practically odourless and burns very cleanly. You don't get all that horrible sooty stuff. Also you mentioned how unstable some types of gas stoves are. There is a kind of stabilizer thing you can buy that clips onto the cannister. Many stoves nowadays come with one included but if not they are cheap and readily available. Once again thanks for your invaluable videos.
Hello and thanks! I know this small legs that you attach under the gas canister. I have them but don't like then because they make the stove higher and still not so stable. I use a piece of plywood sometimes and that's good. 😀 The thing with the bio-fuel is interesting. I have to check that!!! Do you prefer this 'review style' of the videos or do you prefer the videos from the trips or do you look at all of them? /Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Hi again, Matti. I haven't had time to look at any of your trip videos yet. I only stumbled across your channel recently when I noticed you had done a review of the Hilleberg Enan. I use the Enan myself as a 3 season tent (I live in the UK). For wintertime I have a Soulo. I'm looking forward to watching your trip videos. Hopefully I'll have some time in the next few days. I'd just like to say again what has really impressed me about your reviews is the fact that they are honest and unbiased. I watched another review of the Enan and it was quite obvious the person was not really familiar it. He didn't even know how to roll the door up effectively. And yet there he was extolling the virtues of the tent. A paid promotion I suspect. That is something I would never suspect of you. Take care.
Supernice! I just bought a multistove and i'm super excited to use it while i'll be in the mountains here in South America. I enjoyed your video. Thanks for sharing the experience.
South America… That’s more or less the opposite side of the planet… Almost! That’s cool! :-) Probably totally different kind of nature but probably the same feeling inside the heart! The love to the nature. :-) /Matti
I use liquid fuel stoves, either an MSR Dragonfly or a classic (50 years old!) 2-burner Coleman. I like being able to top off the fuel tank before I leave home, so I never have to leave with a half-empty canister. Plus it can get cold in the mountains, even in the summer. When it's a frosty morning, I want a stove that can go full blast. So far as alcohol and wood go, those stoves are often banned here (BC, Canada) during periods of high fire danger.
If you're going to cook for example in a steel or aluminum pot with a wood fire. If you rub on the outside bottom of the potb with plain bar of hand soap when you're done cooking and wash
Would like to see you guys demonstrating more of the cooking that you do whilst on your trips, the ingredients methods and sharing of your favourite meals. Many of the meals demonstrated in UK hiking and backpacking youtube videos mainly consist of boiling water to pour into a bag of wet/dehydrated food, the bags costing more than you could buy food at a pub for. Have watched quite a few of your videos now and the meals featured look more like "proper" meat and potato type filling meals, so would like to see some videos dedicated to such things.
That's a great idea! I'm right now working with next video and already in that film you will see more of cooking. 😀 Thanks for super good input!!! /Matti
Good video, where I suffer is that I cannot estimate gas well since it is quite dependant on temps. I can go 5 days with 100g when 20c but when it drops closer to 0 I'm comfortable only 4 maybe 5 days per 230g.
I enjoyed your video, very well done. I have not tested any canister stoves in extreme conditions, but I don't think I would ever trust theses as my only stove for back country winter travel. I have used my svea123 and Coleman pressure stoves at -47 F. I do not have the Trangia multi fuel burner. That burner added to the storm cooker would be a good winter setup. Petrol stoves worked for Scott and Amundson. Now I find that I do not preform well at -40, so have never tested my canister stoves in these conditions.
I made a Kojin stove with fiberglass rope inside. Doesn’t spill even when upside down (unless overfilled) Then did the same to my trangia with some fiberglass insulation wool. You’re welcome. The lixada multifuel is great too
👍👍👍 I have done the same with my Trangia and other home-made alcohol stoves .. using Fibre Glass / Glass / Ceramic Wool. Topping the Trangia with a tight roll of Carbon Cloth keeps everything in place. Performance does not seem to be negatively affected so as to be a problem. Actually, I find that my Trangia Burner lights up quicker in cold weather .. one does not have to wait for the burner to 'jet' before placing the pot. Also, the burn appears to be more gentle which, together with the simmer ring, suits my style of cooking.
Trangia's really shine in rainy, windy weather! The venting holes on the side channel wind parallel to the flame such that the worse weather, the better the flame.
Great video. Probably most of us started with Trangia kit with alcohol burner, and if not all fuel was used i left it in burner, that i stored in kettle and next time i boiled water the water tasted T-sprit , the alcohol i used. So now i use an BRS-3000T, an light gas burner. Gas is used for the Thermacell backpacker so i carry two 100g gas cannisters, it's still lighter then an alcohol stove.
You should know that I have been looking at that small beauty several times… I really like what I see… Super cool stove. I have been super close to buy that small piece of useful art but I already got to many stoves… Is it possible to have to many stoves? Stina tells me that I don’t need that but is she lying for me? I have hesitated because it’s little bit heavy… /Matti
One thing I love about the wood gas stoves is it really doesn’t matter if it’s wood burning or not. Any combustible material that can burn can be easily used. That includes wood pellets and some brands of dry dog food. The nice thing about using wood pellets and dry dog food is that they can also be packed away fairly easily so they don’t get wet that easily. Put some small quantities into a small dry bag or other container that can be used to store stuff away in a dry environment. I mean a 50 pound bag of dry dog food will go a long way in a wood gas type of stove.
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Yeah they claim that one of the rules of the FDA is dog food must be made fit for human consumption. When it comes to it in a pinch I’d rather eat dry dog food. I’d really have to be rather starving to eat some of that wet slop they choke down. A can of Alpo? I don’t think so… And brother if you thought your dog gave you the evil eye before… At least it’s not as bad as Oatmeal and I’m not a big fan of that either… Tastes like a mouthful of cold wet mush… Still it can’t be as bad as oatmeal… I guess wet and hot it’s not that bad, just make my mind up it’s just a big bowl of hot chili… That’s the next thing… killer recipes using gravy train…
I have a cheap chinese one & an expensive USA Solo stove. I have pre-packed zip-lock bag of wood pelets & a firelighter for one full burn which lasts 45-60 minutes per bag.The solo stove is very expensive, but won't set fire to earth underneath it. Dog food sounds a great idea though, well done.
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA maybe that would be a great way of getting rid of the dog food that doesn’t quite agree with Charlie, Dog food yes, dog gas no. You have to admit that was hilarious. Maybe she should carry a gas mask.
One other thing about lighting a wood gas stove. Put in about a third of a load, of wood pellets. Squirt a small amount of regular charcoal, lighter fluid. Finish loading up the wood pellets. wait about 30 to 45 seconds and light it with a match. remember it’s the fumes that light. Remember, these types of stoves burn from the top down. This should help with a faster start up.. simply sense It’s not being lit from the very top, but burning the fumes in the top 2/3 of the stove.
I really like using a tiny foldable titanium box stove for forest camps. Bonus, I come home smelling like smoke 😂😁 good point about it being environmentally friendly!
I have been looking at this foldable boxes. I like that they contains more firewood but I also like the idea with wood gas burning with the other once. I just have to try different of these toys. Maybe find some DIY models. 😀 Smelling smoke = no mosquito = no need for deodorant (or shower).
Great video. I finally understood whats about those pump stoves. My favorite is alcohol stoves. But you are absolutely right, canister stoves are the most practical and the fuel indeed lasts for longer for the same weight.
Matti - great video. To answer a couple of your questions. The calorific value of Petrol is around twice that of Meths, depending on the MeOH / EtOH ratio. So since they have approx the same density you'd need twice the volume of meths to last the same length of cooking time. With gas usage I see you have some comments already, much depends on the efficiency of the stove as well as the ambient temperature of course. I find that in Spring - Autumn my simple pre-heater gas stove (very similar to your preferred model) uses 8 g to boil 550 ml water (so 15 g / litre). A great positive with the floor standing stoves is the pre-heater tube which allows them to work at far lower temperatures as you can invert the cylinder and run using liquid. Mine has worked well down to -6 Celcius which is the lowest I've used it at. For your kind of winter temperatures of -20 to -30 Celcius it would probably fail. You live in a beautiful part of the world - do you offer guided walking tours?
I'm always so impressed of people like you who actually check how much gas a stove use!!! 8gr! Really good work. 😀 That's tru... if the gas tube stays warmer it will works in lower temperatures. Yes... we offer hiking tours, canoe tours and soon we will start with packraft tours. During winter we offer dogsled trips. 😀 /Matti
Don't know if you have seen this but on line you can different adapter,s to take gas from large gas tanks and refill camping gas types I have them and that save time and rescaling the old camping cartridge,s thankyou
Yes I have seen that but... I also think that the construction of the small gastubes are not made for being used over and over again. I'm most worried for the small valve... It's bad if that starts to leak gas while you have an open flame close... ...so it's maybe important to put a small drop of oil (lubrication) in the valve and really inspect if there is damage somewhere before refilling the tube. What do you think? / Matti
Fuel use I measured for bringing 300ml water to boil: Trangia 25 / 27 full kit with stand+windshield - 30ml The mini-Trangia with no windshield - 50ml A basic gas stove - Ti pot on a stove on a cannister - 10g Jetboil - 5g. Hence to do that 3 times/day average 5 days is: Full Trangia - 450ml - and so a 500ml bottle. Mini-Trangia - 750ml so a bigger bottle. basic gas setup - 150g fuel so you'd need say a 240g larger canister. Jetboil - 75g so you need a nearly-full 100g small canister. My conclusion has been: I don't use the mini Trangia, performance is simply too poor relative to a basic gas setup. I use a basic gas setup for a 1-2 nights situation. I use Jetboil when happy with just boiling water for > 2 nights. I use full Trangia when car-camping. I buy the 450g larger canisters and refill the 100g smallest canisters, that lowers cost in the long term and I always set off with a near-full canister. As gas has more chance of it not working (compared with Trangia with alcohol) I pack two Esbit solid fuel blocks in the base of the Jetboil as a backup but so far never needed to use them and add a backup ferrorod if the Jetboil's peizo lighter were to fail. I recently got the Trangia gas conversion but yet to try it so don't know if the windsheild makes its quieter. I like Alcohol's quietness but like gas's speed so depends on situation. Trangia+alcohol you can setup distant from tent and be cooking while pitching/dismantling your tent, it handles wind+rain well on it's own.
Hey, thank you for the nice video! Just wanted to add about the msr reactor that while i love it while it works it does have a overheating sensor completely shutting off the stove until you send it in to msr for them to change it. (overheating mostly isnt running full throttle but rather when you dont run enough throttle for good air flow) That puts you on a really uncomfortable position if you still have a couple days left of your trip also its utterly frustrating if you have no idea of that "feature"...
The liquid fuel stove is also very loud or noisy but there are silencers for these stove which is very effective. However, it adds a little more weight to the system as I think the silencers are made of some sort of cast iron material. And the little silencers are not cheap either so it adds on to the already expensive price of the stove.
I have the express spider, been going strong for +10yrs now. Easy to use, lightweight, strong, stable, reliable, fairly cheap, can be modified to burn liquid fuel...what more could anyone want out of a stove!? My only gripe with gas stoves is that they're noisy which makes them less ideal for 'stealth' camping.
Ha, i didnt know they add parafine to the kerosine. Will use gasoline onwards. Thanks! Your videos are great inspiration, hope to meet you someday in person, when we will move up to the North!
I know that there is some difference between different brands of kerosene. If you find a good quality I think that is better than gasoline. Moving up north seems to be a nice adventure. Welcome! 😀 /Matti
Really like your channel. Great overview of the different stove and fuel types. I have them all as well. Depending on my trips I take different stoves and sometimes multiple stoves. I don’t use the msr multifuel anymore. Maybe if I was with a large group it is worth the hassle but for me it gets too dirty too fast and is very bulky.
The first camping stove I bought was a little Camping Gaz stove/burner for pinch container in the mid '80s but I ditched it because it worked OK but was not very practical, for some unknown reasons I never was into those popular Trangia alcohol stoves. Than I bought a Coleman Peak 1 liquid fuel stove (what I still have) for White Gas which is a great stove easy to use but a little bit bulky + heavy, than I switched to a MSR Whisperlite International for 26 years now, I use the MSR mainly w/ White Gas I tried Kerosene but it's too dirty + smelly for me there's a learning curve to operate them but extremely reliable lightweigt + compact. In addition I got a little screw-on Markill Peak Ignition burner which I got quiet cheap 15 years ago out of curiosity super lightweigt tiny clean convenient which I prefer now It's very simple to operate and very practical for bike touring what I mainly do but for longer trips I would probably use my MSR. I always do real cooking because those freeze dry stuff mostly sucks + is expensive at least those I tried in the past 20+ years.
your final part of this video I found especially interesting -- I have never actually seen a "real world" scene of part of the world above the arctic circle during the summer -- could not believe that it was 0100 (1:00 AM) when you filmed this video!!! I suppose I could now say I don't have to travel to Sweden to see what this looks like, but who knows, maybe some day I'll travel there for enjoying the many other pluses about that country.
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA This video I left a comment to is the 1st of yours that I've seen but with this addn'l info you're providing, YES I'm going to watch those so that I can get a "virtual taste" of Sweden (or at least some of the nature aspects). Thanks for the tip!
Great video! Thank you! FYI: The pre-heat tube is primarily for liquid fuel. It gasifies the liquid fuel. Although it will heat the gaseous fuel, the pre-heat tube does not provide any advantages with gaseous fuel.
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA The Primus website says the Express Spider stove can be used with gaseous/canister and liquid fuels. All liquid-fuel stoves have to gasify/vaporize the liquid fuel in order to burn, that's why there is a tube that is heated (called a generator).
the most illiterate answer on the vastness of RUclips. I highly recommend opening and repeating a school physics course. and also study the structure of the heating tube
Adding water to Methanol [methalated spirits] increases O² at point of burn ONLY when the methanol flame reaches 100°C. At which point the flame can provide (where properly managed) 200°C temperatures.
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA I also enjoyed your presentation on gloves! Sadly, one of England’s most accessible, bespoke glove makers, has gone out of business. Sometimes paying the extra is worth it but now it’s a rare option to have / find in the first place, so the loss of this glove maker is keenly felt.
I have used alcohol stoves over 50 years and never had a pot with a black bottom. All I use in them is Denatured Alcohol or a 190 proof ( Everclear ) food grade alcohol. I do have pots with black bottoms and it's by choice they are that way. They are used over a wood burning stove , A Trench Fire or campfire. I combined a alcohol burner ( Trangia , Evernew titanium burner , Goshawk siphon or the Toaks siphon stove ) with a wood burning stove. My choice for the wood burning stove is the Titanium Firebox Nano , Gen 2 stove. Combine it with a alcohol burner and you have the best of both worlds. One stove with two fire options , alcohol or wood. I hammock camp so downed , dried , twigs and small branches are always available. It's nice being able to camp and have a free fuel source surrounding you. ( Never cut green wood , always use a small amount of dried , dead , wood , none available then the alcohol burner )
I'm also really impressed over the wood stoves. I also take dry wood BUT... what is worse. Taking a green stick or using a oil product from the other side of the planet or gas containers that are produced in Korea (primus). 😀 I totally agree with using dead wood and things from the ground. /Matti
you can buy an adaptor to allow you to refill the iso butane cans from a larger canister. or from a few half empty ones to refill one. there are many videos on it on youtube.
Fuel Canisters - Cut the toe end of an old holey sock then put the canister inside the toe end of the sock. The hole in the sock should allow for access to the screw-on thread so you can screw the stove into the canister. Leave the sock in place so it covers the canister while providing fuel to a stove. The sock prevents condensation which turns to ice from forming on the canister exterior.
The point of acolhol stove is that you can take just 50ml of alcohol for overnight trip, 10g stove and 60g 400ml cup, and save like half a kilo of weight. It remains true for up to 5-6 days trips, since a bottle containing acohol weights like 10-20g, and in general the advantage of alcohol stoves is that you can deal in exact amount of fuel you need, instead of picking iso canister for overnighter. There is also a question of resupply. Imagine arriving in switzeland on friday evening and trying to find someone selling standard lindal valve srew canister. Instead you just fill a bottle of bioethanol at any gas station. Or you are in the middle of africa, where are you going to get gas? Kerosene stoves also dont work fine in africa, since fuel is heavily infused with lead and it makes cleaning jets huge pain in the ass. 95% i use gas stove. But that 5% of really specific cases alcohol systems save a day.
Thank a lot! 😀 ...but if you read all the comments down under this video you will see lots of very interesting ideas! I think that together we know so much more than if we just listen to one. 😀 /Matti
Tjena Matti! Gärna en DIY video på Pepsi Stove. och gärna en rewiev på ditt Big Agnes tält. Jag har två st Copper Spur och älskar dem men vore kul att höra vad du tycker om det på dina bräddgrader. Ha det gott!
You need about twice as much alcohol compared to gas and powerfuel. calorific value: Gas: 12.8 kWh/kg Pure petrol (Primus Powerfuel): 12 kWh/kg Alcohol: 7.4 kWh/kg
Hello, very good video, thanks. The Trangia transfers heat better when the cookware is blackened - it's true; it's only soot anyway. Store it in canvas, use gloves, fussy ! Plus, you can use gas with the Trangia too. Liquid fuels are fairly heavy and flamable, but the bottles are reuseable. If the pots are stored in a canvas bag it's ok. There are wood stoves made of stainless steel like solo stove that won't burn the ground/forest. Take some tin foil for a base/wind block. The solo type stove is quicker than a trangia - 3 large hot drinks in 7 minutes. Whose in a hurry ? The solo stove is very expensive but it does work. It would be nicer if the stoves were more stable/steady but if you took one with a trangia then you have a fairly lightweight multifuel settup, which is good. You can check a trangia bottle easier than a gas cannister. Good howling. New subscriber. 🎯
Thanks for all your advice! Together we all people (both the once who is filming but also you guys who give comments like this) at RUclips got a huge amount of accumulated knowledge. 😀 /Matti
Going on a hike on Sunday in Hamar City. Will test how much food i can fit inside a toaks 750ml pot. Heard this pot size is the baseline if you want to cook more than noodles. (Though i keep my expectations low) Annoying to see all the pot reviews online only do water boil tests and maybe a square of noodles.
Good video. I made a ‘beer can’ stove during Covid lockdowns (I don’t like Pepsi) and cat food stove both of which work well but they have limits so I bought a Trangia when we were allowed out again! The wood stove is a good idea but most of Southern Europe is now burning because of idiots I think. Thanks for the good information.
so far I have used solid fuel stove, and remote gas canister stove. wanted to try wood stoves, but no dry wood in parks. liquid fuel stoves are a bit too out of range of me, so the next one I may try is alcohol stove.
Enklast och trevligast är nog ändå Trangia med spritbrännare. Tyst och funkar alltid även om det inte är det snabbaste. Mitt första 25 närmar sig nu en ålder av 35 år och är fortfarande perfekt, bara belagd stekpanna som är ersatt.
But it's still a heavy stove. We already have this gas burners for some of our Trangia stoves. We use them sometimes when we have groups with beginners. Trangia is really a easy to handle type of stove. /Matti
Trangia 27 is only a bit heavyer. With only gas burner 650g, and 590g with only alcohol. Have to compare apples with apples. Its super heavy because people weight all these items in these system. If you are going to boil water, you should leave home frypan, bowls, potgripper. MSR windburner is 430g. 220g difference. Trangia27 is only stove i would reccomend for use in a tent.
Level gas cartridge: If you already have an empty cartridge (same model) you can also do the water test. Simply float in water (e.g. the filled 1l pot) and mark the water level. Then transfer the whole thing to the full cartridge and possibly also the current (full) water level. If you then want to know how much gas is still inside, simply put it in the water. The best way is with the valve down, then you don't have an air bubble because the bottom is usually curved. ... Greetings from germany! :-)
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Yes, and fortunately a lack of water is not (yet) the problem in Lapland. It's been so long since I've been to Sarek and the Kungsleden! I have to go there again!! Or maybe not that far. Hardangervidda in winter, with snowshoes. It's really stupid, I can't find anything in my size. Snowshoes, winter boots, etc., etc. Only the Sorels come in this size, but that's just junk and the shoes don't keep you warm. Do you have a company in Scandinavia that makes shoes in UK 15 / UK 16?
Great unbiased and sensible video.I also have a wood gas stove, maybe a size smaller. I was disappointed about how long it took to boil and needed constant feeding, I think your bigger version ma be better. Any experience with using esbit solid fuel? I’m thinking that for a short, one or two day trip it maybe the lightest option.
A sidenote, i refill the gas cannisters from bigger gas cannisters so a always start the trip with full cannisters, that way i don't have to throw empty cannisters, and it's much cheaper!
As safe as refill an gas lighter or the small gas cartridges used in Thermacell, it's a closed system and the empty canister (the canister that needs to be filled) is below the source canister so the gas is transfered as liquid from the top canister to the bottom canister!
Warning! Multifuel stoves are not meant to be used with alcohol! Seems like there is no material for O-rings suitable for petroleum based fuels AND alcohols at the same time.
No issues using msr pump in a Primus bottle? I noticed the lip was fatter on the Primus vs msr bottle and the pump gasket seemed very flaired so I didn’t try it.
If using gas calculate how much you will need depending of how long the trip will be and how much boiled water you need every day, a 100g (110g) boils around 10 liter of water (10-12 liter).
When i wrote i thought everyone knew that, maybe wrong of me, the information is published on backpackinglight forums and pots that is used is usually 750ml Titanium, it also depends on temperature outside and how windy it is, i always take twice as much gas that i think i need, it doesn't weigh much!
Det finns en massa tillsatser i bensin från macken som jag inte vet om dom är så nyttiga. Därför använder jag kemiskt ren bensin från färgaffären. Vad har du för synpunkter på detta? Jag tycker att dina videos är väldigt trevliga. Kul att se hundarna vandra förbi eller komma fram och hälsa
The MSR Windwalker does not have any kind of Pot support that will work with it. You must use their $100 each pans with it unless you fabricate your own support. 3 - MSR Windwalker pans cost nearly $400.
I have a few stoves myself, from alcohol, isobutane, an old Swiss volcano stove (that works well with some alcohol burners or twigs) and a Russian PT-1. The Russian is one of my favorites and also works pretty good in cold temperatures.
He forgot to mention usual gas canisters don't work well or not at all in cold, unless you warm them up which can be difficult. Nowadays in winter I usually use 1.2kg (gas volume) steel gas bottle (100%propane) which works at least up to -40°C. It is also very cheap fuel because I refill it from the 11kg bottle by myself. Full control of power saves fuel if it is needed and makes cooking easy. Weight is not an issue because I always use a sled in the winter. 1.2kg of propane is enough for one person for at least a week even if you had to melt water from snow. On shorter trips I warm my tent with it in the evenings.
I have an old one of this. It's the same problem as ordinary Trangia. It's very heavy. I prefer to just use a gas burner and a lightweight alu-wind protection instead of the heavy Trangia. Trangia is very good but I'm lazy and don't like to have a heavy backpack. / Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Thank you for your thorough response! I was thinking of using it along with the Bushbox XL, which would serve, in this case, both as a stove stand and as a windshield.
IKEA utensil strainer stove is cheap. You can do a hobo stove like it with any can. You can easily make a stormin cone windshield/pot stand/ wood stove with some steel sheets or same size cans, by cutting them to interlock. A metal steamer basket makes a fine improv stove too. My favorites are wood gas stoves, like the solo stove - but it takes way longer to source the right size cans and manufacture it, even if you already have the tools. You can use any old thin stainless steel pot you have laying around, poke some holes and add a Stand if needed.
As a native Polish bushcrafter, I have to make a remark. In my area, when using an alcohol cooker, there is a high risk that the alcohol will be used for consumption purposes.😂
i hope you are not blind yet.
methylene and ispropyl are nasty stuff.
I have 2 wood gas stoves & they both work very well with wood pellets. Just fill the stove with dry pellets & then you light the fire on top of them. They run smokeless that way for a long time & pre-weighed bags of dry pellets in a plastic bag with a fire lighter are small to pack in a plastic bag, so ideal for a day trip.
👍👍👍 .. I also use the Compressed Charcoal Briquettes when I'm not in a rush (or 'stealth cooking' on my 3rd floor flat balcony .. the 'Swiss Grannies' see everything and frown upon such Neanderthalism 😁). Lightweight and considering the perceived 'bulk', give a respectable length of burn. Four Briquettes give me Breakfast Oats / Bacon and Egg, Toast and Coffee. Nine Briquettes, wrapped in a plastic bag (reusable) fit nicely into a one litre ziploc freezer bag and slot into my day pack without any problem. Great as a bonus, when one wants to reduce the fire hazard in more sensitive areas but still want to use a wood-burner.
When I was a young man, I enjoyed occasionally going out into the wilderness to camp. Most folks these days don't seem to understand the difference between true wilderness camping and the local private, county, provincial, state, or national camp ground, where you have access to plumbed water and full electric service.
Now, in my later years, having lost my wife and on the verge of losing my dog and cats, I find myself seriously considering a more spartan life in the wilderness. To that end, having adequate information about certain equipment is paramount.
Your video has been quite informative. Of course, I find it disturbing that you had to remind people that certain products and practices in the wilderness can lead to catastrophe, but that goes more to the older generations not teaching critical knowledge to the younger, but to me it's like trying to remind people to not stand in a puddle and stick a fork in a power outlet.
Still, all in all, I greatly appreciate your expertise and willingness to share it. Now I have a better idea of what type of stove(s) to carry with me.
I look forward to viewing any other videos you have on survival equipment.
I enjoyed the pros and cons to all the different stoves, with the relaxing atmosphere. Good times.
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Great video. Super informative. For sure, please make the other videos!
Thanks! It's nice that you find some valuable things in this videos. 😀
We will continue making videos.
/ Matti
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経験に基ずく非常に的確な説明です。日本で色々なストーブで楽しんでいます。
Used all kinds of stoves over decades. Trangia is the most practical because it works well in hard wind. With lesser windscreens you loose the saved weight in fuel efficiency. In reality the Trangia system is just extremely difficult to beat. The Trangia windscreens work well with the Optimus Polaris and Primus Omnifuel stoves too.
Trangia is really good when it's windy!!! I agree... but still heavy. 😞
Why not a Trangia made of titan?
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA they actually did make one from titanium. Think it was some kind of special addition. Hard to find
Trangia also has gas and multi-fuel burners available. Everyone always says they are old and outdated, but I still believe they are hands down the best! It's like carrying a small kitchen.
Although it's now considered old fashioned, I still use my tried and tested Coleman Multi-Fuel. Well built, low centre of gravity, works in all conditions, no loss of pressure ( with a few occasional pumps) and no separate containers or gas canisters.
I work on the principle of if it isn't broken, don't change it.
Thats a very good principle! If everybody followed that to not change things that's not broken then the whole planet would be not as polluted as it is today... We should be careful with the environment and start taking responsibility for what kind of world we leave to the next generations...
/ Matti
Tip no2 for Wood stove, have a small small bag on your back, collect dry branches or roots as you walk by....
That's a really good tip!!!
Special if you hiking through areas without much firewood.
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Great footage mate. Thank you for the honest reviews and have a phantastic time outdoor in your area and with your dogs.
Thanks!
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Fantastic to see your grandmother's alcohol stove. I've never seen one with the hinged simmer ring before, great idea to prevent you losing the simmer ring. If going for more than two nights I take my ancient MSR Whisperlite Internationale which I bought in California in the early 1980's, over 40 years old and I've only needed one replacement pump. The stove is so old it has a serial number on it , 082. I live in Scotland and once you are above the tree line you have to have a stove and fuel with you. I also carry a "fuel/stove of last resort", a heximine stove,with fuel, . . . 'just in case' . . . I enjoy your videos, great to hear your dogs singing a lullaby. Happy trails.
Thanks!
It's really lovely with gear that have been with you or even with the grand parents. The newest gear is maybe better but not the same soul.
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Good video! I sometimes use a Primus 96 for day hikes - I bought it about 50 years ago for 37 pence - the the equivalent of 5 kroner I think. You have to be patient when starting but I find it frugal on fuel and it’s lovely to use, if a bit noisy.
My favorite stoves are Optimus VEGA and the 25 gramm LIXADA. I used several Primus in the past but I was disappointed because they didnt hold up, they rust, and also I had issues connecting Primus gas canisters to ( Primus) stoves. OPTIMUS rock solid. I dont alcohol stoves cause the risk of putting the forest on fire is to big, especially in dry seasons like the 2022 summer in Europe.
WOW, your dogs sound amazingly beautiful. Cheers.
Sometimes I think that a brand like Primus make some models that's great and some that's crap and then the same with Optimus and so on.
...and the old models seems to very often keep a little bit higher quality.
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I so enjoyed this video, factual and so understated, so Swedish and a refreshing change from the usual style of videos of which stove boils faster.
My favourite is making coffee outdoors with the Trangia, it's so relaxing and like you say boil times just don't matter when you are outside in nature.
The dog chorus just made my day.
Thanks!
I really want to try to focus on different things than most of other youtube channels. Thanks for the feedback that can give us an direction where we should aim.
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Hi Matti, I am a new subscriber to your channel and just want to say how much I enjoy your totally honest and unbiased reviews. They manage to be both entertaining and informative.
Regarding the alcohol stoves I'm surprised you didn't mention bioethanol as a fuel. It's practically odourless and burns very cleanly. You don't get all that horrible sooty stuff.
Also you mentioned how unstable some types of gas stoves are. There is a kind of stabilizer thing you can buy that clips onto the cannister. Many stoves nowadays come with one included but if not they are cheap and readily available.
Once again thanks for your invaluable videos.
Hello and thanks!
I know this small legs that you attach under the gas canister. I have them but don't like then because they make the stove higher and still not so stable. I use a piece of plywood sometimes and that's good. 😀
The thing with the bio-fuel is interesting. I have to check that!!!
Do you prefer this 'review style' of the videos or do you prefer the videos from the trips or do you look at all of them?
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Hi again, Matti. I haven't had time to look at any of your trip videos yet. I only stumbled across your channel recently when I noticed you had done a review of the Hilleberg Enan. I use the Enan myself as a 3 season tent (I live in the UK). For wintertime I have a Soulo.
I'm looking forward to watching your trip videos. Hopefully I'll have some time in the next few days.
I'd just like to say again what has really impressed me about your reviews is the fact that they are honest and unbiased. I watched another review of the Enan and it was quite obvious the person was not really familiar it. He didn't even know how to roll the door up effectively. And yet there he was extolling the virtues of the tent. A paid promotion I suspect. That is something I would never suspect of you.
Take care.
Supernice!
I just bought a multistove and i'm super excited to use it while i'll be in the mountains here in South America.
I enjoyed your video. Thanks for sharing the experience.
South America… That’s more or less the opposite side of the planet… Almost!
That’s cool!
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Probably totally different kind of nature but probably the same feeling inside the heart! The love to the nature.
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I use liquid fuel stoves, either an MSR Dragonfly or a classic (50 years old!) 2-burner Coleman. I like being able to top off the fuel tank before I leave home, so I never have to leave with a half-empty canister. Plus it can get cold in the mountains, even in the summer. When it's a frosty morning, I want a stove that can go full blast. So far as alcohol and wood go, those stoves are often banned here (BC, Canada) during periods of high fire danger.
One of the best video about different types of stoves 👍
Thank you!!! 🙏
If you're going to cook for example in a steel or aluminum pot with a wood fire. If you rub on the outside bottom of the potb with plain bar of hand soap when you're done cooking and wash
Would like to see you guys demonstrating more of the cooking that you do whilst on your trips, the ingredients methods and sharing of your favourite meals. Many of the meals demonstrated in UK hiking and backpacking youtube videos mainly consist of boiling water to pour into a bag of wet/dehydrated food, the bags costing more than you could buy food at a pub for. Have watched quite a few of your videos now and the meals featured look more like "proper" meat and potato type filling meals, so would like to see some videos dedicated to such things.
That's a great idea!
I'm right now working with next video and already in that film you will see more of cooking. 😀
Thanks for super good input!!!
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Good video, where I suffer is that I cannot estimate gas well since it is quite dependant on temps. I can go 5 days with 100g when 20c but when it drops closer to 0 I'm comfortable only 4 maybe 5 days per 230g.
Yes... you are totally right! I didn't think about that when I made the video. 😀
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I enjoyed your video, very well done. I have not tested any canister stoves in extreme conditions, but I don't think I would ever trust theses as my only stove for back country winter travel. I have used my svea123 and Coleman pressure stoves at -47 F. I do not have the Trangia multi fuel burner. That burner added to the storm cooker would be a good winter setup. Petrol stoves worked for Scott and Amundson.
Now I find that I do not preform well at -40, so have never tested my canister stoves in these conditions.
Thank you Matti for this good explain video. I agree with you. 1 week hiking i use 1 liter alcohol and only 400 grams off gas. This i my experience.
That's interesting! What do you think about the idea of using some wood in a woodgasstove? /Matti
I made a Kojin stove with fiberglass rope inside. Doesn’t spill even when upside down (unless overfilled)
Then did the same to my trangia with some fiberglass insulation wool. You’re welcome.
The lixada multifuel is great too
👍👍👍 I have done the same with my Trangia and other home-made alcohol stoves .. using Fibre Glass / Glass / Ceramic Wool. Topping the Trangia with a tight roll of Carbon Cloth keeps everything in place.
Performance does not seem to be negatively affected so as to be a problem. Actually, I find that my Trangia Burner lights up quicker in cold weather .. one does not have to wait for the burner to 'jet' before placing the pot. Also, the burn appears to be more gentle which, together with the simmer ring, suits my style of cooking.
@@thomasmusso1147yeah I too find the trangia way too powerful most of the time, except for simply boiling. Much easier to cook without burning
Really good video & great explaining each stove
Thanks!
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Trangia's really shine in rainy, windy weather! The venting holes on the side channel wind parallel to the flame such that the worse weather, the better the flame.
I totally agree... Trangia is bad to carry but good to use in bad weather.
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Great video.
Probably most of us started with Trangia kit with alcohol burner, and if not all fuel was used i left it in burner, that i stored in kettle and next time i boiled water the water tasted T-sprit , the alcohol i used. So now i use an BRS-3000T, an light gas burner. Gas is used for the Thermacell backpacker so i carry two 100g gas cannisters, it's still lighter then an alcohol stove.
Yes... that's sad that the Trangia is so heavy because it's a great windproof stove! /Matti
My favorite burner is a SVEA 123, beautifully crafted little brass self pressuring gas stove with only one moving part. Originally made in Sweden.
You should know that I have been looking at that small beauty several times… I really like what I see… Super cool stove. I have been super close to buy that small piece of useful art but I already got to many stoves… Is it possible to have to many stoves? Stina tells me that I don’t need that but is she lying for me?
I have hesitated because it’s little bit heavy…
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Regarding the wood stove. I've bought a small Toaks titanium pan that fits the bottom of the stove and thus it can be put anywhere.
One thing I love about the wood gas stoves is it really doesn’t matter if it’s wood burning or not. Any combustible material that can burn can be easily used. That includes wood pellets and some brands of dry dog food. The nice thing about using wood pellets and dry dog food is that they can also be packed away fairly easily so they don’t get wet that easily. Put some small quantities into a small dry bag or other container that can be used to store stuff away in a dry environment. I mean a 50 pound bag of dry dog food will go a long way in a wood gas type of stove.
If I use dog food as firewood… Johnny, one of our Border Collies, will probably kill me…
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…but it’s a brilliant idea!!!
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Yeah they claim that one of the rules of the FDA is dog food must be made fit for human consumption. When it comes to it in a pinch I’d rather eat dry dog food. I’d really have to be rather starving to eat some of that wet slop they choke down. A can of Alpo? I don’t think so… And brother if you thought your dog gave you the evil eye before… At least it’s not as bad as Oatmeal and I’m not a big fan of that either… Tastes like a mouthful of cold wet mush… Still it can’t be as bad as oatmeal… I guess wet and hot it’s not that bad, just make my mind up it’s just a big bowl of hot chili… That’s the next thing… killer recipes using gravy train…
I have a cheap chinese one & an expensive USA Solo stove. I have pre-packed zip-lock bag of wood pelets & a firelighter for one full burn which lasts 45-60 minutes per bag.The solo stove is very expensive, but won't set fire to earth underneath it. Dog food sounds a great idea though, well done.
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA maybe that would be a great way of getting rid of the dog food that doesn’t quite agree with Charlie, Dog food yes, dog gas no. You have to admit that was hilarious. Maybe she should carry a gas mask.
One other thing about lighting a wood gas stove. Put in about a third of a load, of wood pellets. Squirt a small amount of regular charcoal, lighter fluid. Finish loading up the wood pellets. wait about 30 to 45 seconds and light it with a match. remember it’s the fumes that light. Remember, these types of stoves burn from the top down. This should help with a faster start up.. simply sense It’s not being lit from the very top, but burning the fumes in the top 2/3 of the stove.
you have a true talent for explaining and reviewing, thank you for sharing!!!
Thanks. I will try to make more of them and better and better. It's really fun to make this videos.
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I really like using a tiny foldable titanium box stove for forest camps. Bonus, I come home smelling like smoke 😂😁 good point about it being environmentally friendly!
I have been looking at this foldable boxes. I like that they contains more firewood but I also like the idea with wood gas burning with the other once. I just have to try different of these toys. Maybe find some DIY models. 😀
Smelling smoke = no mosquito = no need for deodorant (or shower).
Great video. I finally understood whats about those pump stoves.
My favorite is alcohol stoves. But you are absolutely right, canister stoves are the most practical and the fuel indeed lasts for longer for the same weight.
Matti - great video. To answer a couple of your questions. The calorific value of Petrol is around twice that of Meths, depending on the MeOH / EtOH ratio. So since they have approx the same density you'd need twice the volume of meths to last the same length of cooking time. With gas usage I see you have some comments already, much depends on the efficiency of the stove as well as the ambient temperature of course. I find that in Spring - Autumn my simple pre-heater gas stove (very similar to your preferred model) uses 8 g to boil 550 ml water (so 15 g / litre). A great positive with the floor standing stoves is the pre-heater tube which allows them to work at far lower temperatures as you can invert the cylinder and run using liquid. Mine has worked well down to -6 Celcius which is the lowest I've used it at. For your kind of winter temperatures of -20 to -30 Celcius it would probably fail. You live in a beautiful part of the world - do you offer guided walking tours?
I'm always so impressed of people like you who actually check how much gas a stove use!!! 8gr! Really good work.
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That's tru... if the gas tube stays warmer it will works in lower temperatures.
Yes... we offer hiking tours, canoe tours and soon we will start with packraft tours. During winter we offer dogsled trips.
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Don't know if you have seen this but on line you can different adapter,s to take gas from large gas tanks and refill camping gas types I have them and that save time and rescaling the old camping cartridge,s thankyou
Yes I have seen that but... I also think that the construction of the small gastubes are not made for being used over and over again. I'm most worried for the small valve... It's bad if that starts to leak gas while you have an open flame close...
...so it's maybe important to put a small drop of oil (lubrication) in the valve and really inspect if there is damage somewhere before refilling the tube.
What do you think?
/ Matti
Fuel use I measured for bringing 300ml water to boil:
Trangia 25 / 27 full kit with stand+windshield - 30ml
The mini-Trangia with no windshield - 50ml
A basic gas stove - Ti pot on a stove on a cannister - 10g
Jetboil - 5g.
Hence to do that 3 times/day average 5 days is:
Full Trangia - 450ml - and so a 500ml bottle.
Mini-Trangia - 750ml so a bigger bottle.
basic gas setup - 150g fuel so you'd need say a 240g larger canister.
Jetboil - 75g so you need a nearly-full 100g small canister.
My conclusion has been:
I don't use the mini Trangia, performance is simply too poor relative to a basic gas setup.
I use a basic gas setup for a 1-2 nights situation.
I use Jetboil when happy with just boiling water for > 2 nights.
I use full Trangia when car-camping.
I buy the 450g larger canisters and refill the 100g smallest canisters, that lowers cost in the long term and I always set off with a near-full canister. As gas has more chance of it not working (compared with Trangia with alcohol) I pack two Esbit solid fuel blocks in the base of the Jetboil as a backup but so far never needed to use them and add a backup ferrorod if the Jetboil's peizo lighter were to fail.
I recently got the Trangia gas conversion but yet to try it so don't know if the windsheild makes its quieter. I like Alcohol's quietness but like gas's speed so depends on situation. Trangia+alcohol you can setup distant from tent and be cooking while pitching/dismantling your tent, it handles wind+rain well on it's own.
Thank you for sharing your findings 👍🏻
With pump white gas stoves inspect o-ring for cracking. Nice overview.
Tha ks!!!That's a good point.
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Gas Trangia. Sea kayak camping, so weight is not an issue. Works very well on windy beach camps.
Trangia is good if you don't need to carry. /Matti
Hey, thank you for the nice video!
Just wanted to add about the msr reactor that while i love it while it works it does have a overheating sensor completely shutting off the stove until you send it in to msr for them to change it. (overheating mostly isnt running full throttle but rather when you dont run enough throttle for good air flow)
That puts you on a really uncomfortable position if you still have a couple days left of your trip also its utterly frustrating if you have no idea of that "feature"...
Thanks!
I didn't know that at all about the MSR Reactor...
That's a really bad function if you, as you say, have several days back home...
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Giving you a thumbs up because I know the video is good. If it were eight minutes or less, I would even watch it.
Thank you for your feedback! /Stina & Matti
Wow great video, full of 'real usage' experience, thank you.
Thanks and lovely that liked the content!!!
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The liquid fuel stove is also very loud or noisy but there are silencers for these stove which is very effective. However, it adds a little more weight to the system as I think the silencers are made of some sort of cast iron material. And the little silencers are not cheap either so it adds on to the already expensive price of the stove.
I have never tried a silencer... Maybe it is time for me to get one of these.
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I would love to see a video on how to make all the pieces of your homemade setup.
What exactly do you need help with?
Trangia 4-ever.. I amhaving one since the 70-s
That's a good stove...durable and sturdy but heavy.
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Great walkthrough, and a lot of helpful tips!
Happy to hear you learnt something from it. 👍
I have the express spider, been going strong for +10yrs now. Easy to use, lightweight, strong, stable, reliable, fairly cheap, can be modified to burn liquid fuel...what more could anyone want out of a stove!? My only gripe with gas stoves is that they're noisy which makes them less ideal for 'stealth' camping.
The alcohol burner are really silent and nice in that way!!!
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Got my first trangia a few weeks ago. 🤙
Ha, i didnt know they add parafine to the kerosine. Will use gasoline onwards. Thanks! Your videos are great inspiration, hope to meet you someday in person, when we will move up to the North!
I know that there is some difference between different brands of kerosene. If you find a good quality I think that is better than gasoline.
Moving up north seems to be a nice adventure. Welcome!
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Really like your channel. Great overview of the different stove and fuel types. I have them all as well. Depending on my trips I take different stoves and sometimes multiple stoves. I don’t use the msr multifuel anymore. Maybe if I was with a large group it is worth the hassle but for me it gets too dirty too fast and is very bulky.
The first camping stove I bought was a little Camping Gaz stove/burner for pinch container in the mid '80s but I ditched it because it worked OK but was not very practical, for some unknown reasons I never was into those popular Trangia alcohol stoves. Than I bought a Coleman Peak 1 liquid fuel stove (what I still have) for White Gas which is a great stove easy to use but a little bit bulky + heavy, than I switched to a MSR Whisperlite International for 26 years now, I use the MSR mainly w/ White Gas I tried Kerosene but it's too dirty + smelly for me there's a learning curve to operate them but extremely reliable lightweigt + compact. In addition I got a little screw-on Markill Peak Ignition burner which I got quiet cheap 15 years ago out of curiosity super lightweigt tiny clean convenient which I prefer now It's very simple to operate and very practical for bike touring what I mainly do but for longer trips I would probably use my MSR. I always do real cooking because those freeze dry stuff mostly sucks + is expensive at least those I tried in the past 20+ years.
I loved the presentation, thank you.
your final part of this video I found especially interesting -- I have never actually seen a "real world" scene of part of the world above the arctic circle during the summer -- could not believe that it was 0100 (1:00 AM) when you filmed this video!!! I suppose I could now say I don't have to travel to Sweden to see what this looks like, but who knows, maybe some day I'll travel there for enjoying the many other pluses about that country.
Have you seen the other videos at our channel? There you can see a lot of the nature in the North of Sweden.
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA This video I left a comment to is the 1st of yours that I've seen but with this addn'l info you're providing, YES I'm going to watch those so that I can get a "virtual taste" of Sweden (or at least some of the nature aspects). Thanks for the tip!
Excellent information, thank you.
Great video! Thank you!
FYI: The pre-heat tube is primarily for liquid fuel. It gasifies the liquid fuel. Although it will heat the gaseous fuel, the pre-heat tube does not provide any advantages with gaseous fuel.
...but this stove (Primus) is only for gas... it's not made for liquid fuel so why is it equipped wit a pre-heat-tube???
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA The Primus website says the Express Spider stove can be used with gaseous/canister and liquid fuels.
All liquid-fuel stoves have to gasify/vaporize the liquid fuel in order to burn, that's why there is a tube that is heated (called a generator).
the most illiterate answer on the vastness of RUclips. I highly recommend opening and repeating a school physics course. and also study the structure of the heating tube
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA The primus uses gasprom. Trangia makes gas of liquid fuel.
Adding water to Methanol [methalated spirits] increases O² at point of burn ONLY when the methanol flame reaches 100°C. At which point the flame can provide (where properly managed) 200°C temperatures.
Matti,
It is so cool that you have your Grandmother’s alcohol stove.
Nathan
Loved this presentation! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks
I will try to make more simular things with other outdoor gear.
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA I also enjoyed your presentation on gloves! Sadly, one of England’s most accessible, bespoke glove makers, has gone out of business. Sometimes paying the extra is worth it but now it’s a rare option to have / find in the first place, so the loss of this glove maker is keenly felt.
Super informative and well presented, Thanks - Greetings from Denmark 🙂
Thanks!
That make me glad that you liked the video.
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I'm sure you've stopped calling the stick-burner "a wood gas stove" by now. =P Love your walkthroughs. Real quality in experienced reviews!
Thanks!!!
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It is a wood gas stove, he is absolutely correct.
Great video with very valuable Informations. But what do you think about the "classic" Optimus 8r Hunter or 111Hiker Models? Thanks!
I have used alcohol stoves over 50 years and never had a pot with a black bottom. All I use in them is Denatured Alcohol or a 190 proof ( Everclear ) food grade alcohol. I do have pots with black bottoms and it's by choice they are that way. They are used over a wood burning stove , A Trench Fire or campfire. I combined a alcohol burner ( Trangia , Evernew titanium burner , Goshawk siphon or the Toaks siphon stove ) with a wood burning stove. My choice for the wood burning stove is the Titanium Firebox Nano , Gen 2 stove. Combine it with a alcohol burner and you have the best of both worlds. One stove with two fire options , alcohol or wood. I hammock camp so downed , dried , twigs and small branches are always available. It's nice being able to camp and have a free fuel source surrounding you. ( Never cut green wood , always use a small amount of dried , dead , wood , none available then the alcohol burner )
I'm also really impressed over the wood stoves.
I also take dry wood BUT... what is worse. Taking a green stick or using a oil product from the other side of the planet or gas containers that are produced in Korea (primus).
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I totally agree with using dead wood and things from the ground.
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you can buy an adaptor to allow you to refill the iso butane cans from a larger canister. or from a few half empty ones to refill one. there are many videos on it on youtube.
Fuel Canisters - Cut the toe end of an old holey sock then put the canister inside the toe end of the sock. The hole in the sock should allow for access to the screw-on thread so you can screw the stove into the canister. Leave the sock in place so it covers the canister while providing fuel to a stove. The sock prevents condensation which turns to ice from forming on the canister exterior.
Thanks... Do you mention the gas canisters?
I don't really get condensation on them except when they are almost empty.
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What about kelly kettle trekker? 700g 0,6 liter water canister,quick boil.
For sure, show how to make the Pepsi can cooker
Oki...that will come!
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The point of acolhol stove is that you can take just 50ml of alcohol for overnight trip, 10g stove and 60g 400ml cup, and save like half a kilo of weight. It remains true for up to 5-6 days trips, since a bottle containing acohol weights like 10-20g, and in general the advantage of alcohol stoves is that you can deal in exact amount of fuel you need, instead of picking iso canister for overnighter.
There is also a question of resupply. Imagine arriving in switzeland on friday evening and trying to find someone selling standard lindal valve srew canister. Instead you just fill a bottle of bioethanol at any gas station. Or you are in the middle of africa, where are you going to get gas? Kerosene stoves also dont work fine in africa, since fuel is heavily infused with lead and it makes cleaning jets huge pain in the ass.
95% i use gas stove. But that 5% of really specific cases alcohol systems save a day.
Thanks for great input!!!
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Good news, algeria as the apparently last country to use leaded gasoline has stopped it's use this year. So at least this shouldn't be an issue.
Great video very informative due to your extensive experience. Cheers Steve from Aus.
Thank a lot!
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...but if you read all the comments down under this video you will see lots of very interesting ideas! I think that together we know so much more than if we just listen to one. 😀
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Tjena Matti! Gärna en DIY video på Pepsi Stove. och gärna en rewiev på ditt Big Agnes tält. Jag har två st Copper Spur och älskar dem men vore kul att höra vad du tycker om det på dina bräddgrader. Ha det gott!
I will do that! Both the DIY and Big Agnes.
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From Australia - thanks very informative!
excellent review and very informative....i'm from Malaysia
Thanks!
Malaysia is fare away from Sweden!
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You need about twice as much alcohol compared to gas and powerfuel.
calorific value:
Gas: 12.8 kWh/kg
Pure petrol (Primus Powerfuel): 12 kWh/kg
Alcohol: 7.4 kWh/kg
Thanks!
This is interesting.
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Hello, very good video, thanks. The Trangia transfers heat better when the cookware is blackened - it's true; it's only soot anyway. Store it in canvas, use gloves, fussy ! Plus, you can use gas with the Trangia too. Liquid fuels are fairly heavy and flamable, but the bottles are reuseable. If the pots are stored in a canvas bag it's ok.
There are wood stoves made of stainless steel like solo stove that won't burn the ground/forest. Take some tin foil for a base/wind block. The solo type stove is quicker than a trangia - 3 large hot drinks in 7 minutes. Whose in a hurry ? The solo stove is very expensive but it does work. It would be nicer if the stoves were more stable/steady but if you took one with a trangia then you have a fairly lightweight multifuel settup, which is good.
You can check a trangia bottle easier than a gas cannister. Good howling.
New subscriber. 🎯
Thanks for all your advice! Together we all people (both the once who is filming but also you guys who give comments like this) at RUclips got a huge amount of accumulated knowledge.
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Going on a hike on Sunday in Hamar City.
Will test how much food i can fit inside a toaks 750ml pot.
Heard this pot size is the baseline if you want to cook more than noodles. (Though i keep my expectations low)
Annoying to see all the pot reviews online only do water boil tests and maybe a square of noodles.
Good video. I made a ‘beer can’ stove during Covid lockdowns (I don’t like Pepsi) and cat food stove both of which work well but they have limits so I bought a Trangia when we were allowed out again! The wood stove is a good idea but most of Southern Europe is now burning because of idiots I think. Thanks for the good information.
It's really fun to make this beer can stoves... and beer is lovely nutrition.
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so far I have used solid fuel stove, and remote gas canister stove. wanted to try wood stoves, but no dry wood in parks. liquid fuel stoves are a bit too out of range of me, so the next one I may try is alcohol stove.
Enklast och trevligast är nog ändå Trangia med spritbrännare.
Tyst och funkar alltid även om det inte är det snabbaste.
Mitt första 25 närmar sig nu en ålder av 35 år och är fortfarande perfekt, bara belagd stekpanna som är ersatt.
Buy the gas burner for the trangia
But it's still a heavy stove. We already have this gas burners for some of our Trangia stoves. We use them sometimes when we have groups with beginners. Trangia is really a easy to handle type of stove.
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Trangia 27 is only a bit heavyer. With only gas burner 650g, and 590g with only alcohol. Have to compare apples with apples. Its super heavy because people weight all these items in these system. If you are going to boil water, you should leave home frypan, bowls, potgripper. MSR windburner is 430g. 220g difference. Trangia27 is only stove i would reccomend for use in a tent.
Level gas cartridge:
If you already have an empty cartridge (same model) you can also do the water test. Simply float in water (e.g. the filled 1l pot) and mark the water level. Then transfer the whole thing to the full cartridge and possibly also the current (full) water level.
If you then want to know how much gas is still inside, simply put it in the water. The best way is with the valve down, then you don't have an air bubble because the bottom is usually curved. ... Greetings from germany! :-)
That's also a great idea!!!
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Yes, and fortunately a lack of water is not (yet) the problem in Lapland. It's been so long since I've been to Sarek and the Kungsleden! I have to go there again!! Or maybe not that far. Hardangervidda in winter, with snowshoes. It's really stupid, I can't find anything in my size. Snowshoes, winter boots, etc., etc. Only the Sorels come in this size, but that's just junk and the shoes don't keep you warm. Do you have a company in Scandinavia that makes shoes in UK 15 / UK 16?
Great unbiased and sensible video.I also have a wood gas stove, maybe a size smaller. I was disappointed about how long it took to boil and needed constant feeding, I think your bigger version ma be better. Any experience with using esbit solid fuel? I’m thinking that for a short, one or two day trip it maybe the lightest option.
A sidenote, i refill the gas cannisters from bigger gas cannisters so a always start the trip with full cannisters, that way i don't have to throw empty cannisters, and it's much cheaper!
Okay. I have never tried to refill this cannisters. Is it safe?
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As safe as refill an gas lighter or the small gas cartridges used in Thermacell, it's a closed system and the empty canister (the canister that needs to be filled) is below the source canister so the gas is transfered as liquid from the top canister to the bottom canister!
You express my thoughts. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada, U.S.A.
@Jan Nilsson That true. I never thought about that!
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hey... but isn't the Trangia equipped with a gas-burner the ultimate combination...? I am having a 27 Trangia Duossal with GB.... it is outstanding
If you don't need to carry the trangia is good but it's a really heavy wind protection... /Matti
MSR dragon fly has a simmer setting that most don’t know, which you can bake with 🎉 ( liquid fuel )
Nice vid , From desert of Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦
Warning! Multifuel stoves are not meant to be used with alcohol! Seems like there is no material for O-rings suitable for petroleum based fuels AND alcohols at the same time.
Tak, Matti..du er god til at forklare. Mvh Line, Danmark
Great video fella👍
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Thanks, great info there. May I ask, can I use paraffin oil on the pump stove?
That's different with different brands. Sometimes you have to change a nipple and then it's fine.
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No issues using msr pump in a Primus bottle? I noticed the lip was fatter on the Primus vs msr bottle and the pump gasket seemed very flaired so I didn’t try it.
Takk!
If using gas calculate how much you will need depending of how long the trip will be and how much boiled water you need every day, a 100g (110g) boils around 10 liter of water (10-12 liter).
That's great! But that must depend on what kind of stove and pots you use.
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When i wrote i thought everyone knew that, maybe wrong of me, the information is published on backpackinglight forums and pots that is used is usually 750ml Titanium, it also depends on temperature outside and how windy it is, i always take twice as much gas that i think i need, it doesn't weigh much!
Det finns en massa tillsatser i bensin från macken som jag inte vet om dom är så nyttiga. Därför använder jag kemiskt ren bensin från färgaffären. Vad har du för synpunkter på detta?
Jag tycker att dina videos är väldigt trevliga. Kul att se hundarna vandra förbi eller komma fram och hälsa
Tack!
Vi använder akrylatbensin. Sån där gräsklipparbensin utan oljetilldats. Den ska också vara väldigt bra och rimligt pris.
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Alkylat, finns att köpa inne på mackar, Laitis m.m.!
The MSR Windwalker does not have any kind of Pot support that will work with it. You must use their $100 each pans with it unless you fabricate your own support. 3 - MSR Windwalker pans cost nearly $400.
Jätte bra video! Snälla gör en trangia video
Thank you! I learned altot from you. Thank you
I have a few stoves myself, from alcohol, isobutane, an old Swiss volcano stove (that works well with some alcohol burners or twigs) and a Russian PT-1. The Russian is one of my favorites and also works pretty good in cold temperatures.
I have to check some of this stoves. I think it's fun to experience new equipment. 😀
Thanks!
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thnx
Thanks for the nice video
He forgot to mention usual gas canisters don't work well or not at all in cold, unless you warm them up which can be difficult.
Nowadays in winter I usually use 1.2kg (gas volume) steel gas bottle (100%propane) which works at least up to -40°C. It is also very cheap fuel because I refill it from the 11kg bottle by myself. Full control of power saves fuel if it is needed and makes cooking easy.
Weight is not an issue because I always use a sled in the winter.
1.2kg of propane is enough for one person for at least a week even if you had to melt water from snow. On shorter trips I warm my tent with it in the evenings.
Greetings from Greece! Very interesting! What is your opinion on the Trangia Gas Burner?
I have an old one of this. It's the same problem as ordinary Trangia. It's very heavy. I prefer to just use a gas burner and a lightweight alu-wind protection instead of the heavy Trangia. Trangia is very good but I'm lazy and don't like to have a heavy backpack.
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@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Thank you for your thorough response! I was thinking of using it along with the Bushbox XL, which would serve, in this case, both as a stove stand and as a windshield.
Would you diy a wood burner stove and share it on RUclips? I would like to make one
I have collected some materials for building one already. 😀
If I do that, I will share.
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IKEA utensil strainer stove is cheap. You can do a hobo stove like it with any can.
You can easily make a stormin cone windshield/pot stand/ wood stove with some steel sheets or same size cans, by cutting them to interlock.
A metal steamer basket makes a fine improv stove too.
My favorites are wood gas stoves, like the solo stove - but it takes way longer to source the right size cans and manufacture it, even if you already have the tools.
You can use any old thin stainless steel pot you have laying around, poke some holes and add a Stand if needed.
excellent!