Samsung 870 QVO SSD Review - TechteamGB
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- 870 QVO on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
Products provided by Samsung
Samsung has been the go-to for SSDs for the better part of a decade, but with so much competition is this 870 QVO, a high capacity 2.5” SATA SSD, worth considering?
Subscribe! bit.ly/Techteam...
Check out my TopVideos! bit.ly/Techteam...
Patreon: / techteamgb
Donations: streamlabs.com...
OverclockersUK Affiliate link: techteamgb.co.u...
Discord! / discord
As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases, using the links below or other Amazon affiliate links here.
Private Internet Access (VPN): techteamgb.co.u...
NordVPN: nordvpn.org/te...
HUMBLE BUNDLE: www.humblebund...
Want a cool T-Shirt or hoodie? teespring.com/...
WEB HOSTING: techteamgb.co.u...
Check out our awesome website! techteamgb.co.uk
Bitcoin donations: 1PqsJeJsDbNEECjCKbQ2DsQxJWYqmTvt4E
- My PC -
3700X on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
32GB Corsair 3000MHz on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
GBT X570 Master on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
ZOTAC GTX 1080ti Mini on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
H100i Pro on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
WD 1TB NVME on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
Patriot VP4100: techteamgb.co....
2TB FireCuda on Amazon: techteamgb.co....
If you are interested in contacting us, then please email: inbox@techteamgb.com and we will respond as soon as possible.
#SSD #TechteamGB
About TechteamGB:
TechteamGB is a long-running tech channel focused on high quality videos on PC Hardware and Consumer Electronics. We work with nearly all of the big (and small) names in technology, from Intel and AMD, to MSI, Asus, Gigabyte and more! If you have any questions, feel free to leave a comment! If you are a tech brand with some new and exciting products, email Andrew at the address below - please include details of the products you would like reviewed/showcased. Also, if you are a brand looking to sponsor/advertise, please make this clear in your email. Otherwise, enjoy the videos! Oh, and don't forget to leave a comment on the first video of mine you watch and say hello - I'd love to chat with you!
Samsung 870 QVO SSD Review - TechteamGB
• Samsung 870 QVO SSD Re...
TechteamGB
/ techteamgb
Sub'd, found you cause of Gamers Nexus. May the force be with you. 🤘🖖
Please pass this message to MSI for trying to suppress your content: 🖕🖕🖕
Tech Jesus Sends his regards.... You have a new subscriber and supporter in me. I am new to your content but keep doing what you do bro. I love the integrity stand tall and keep at it Proud of you bro.
Thank you!
being eyeing the Samsung qvo ssd for my game drive thx for the good review.
I came form GN and saw some reviews from you and must say: keep up with the good work. Awesome content. Leave an abo. Till next time.
Just got done with the gamers nexus vid. You have yourself a subscriber. I appreciate your integrity
+1
Which GN video is this referencing?
^video not vid.
In the meantime, especially the 2TB variant has dropped significantly in price. It is about 1/4 cheaper than other 2TB SSDs. Which makes it interesting for the following purposes:
In the PC: As a data grave for your personal data and / or as a Steam library.
In the PS4: As a new system drive.
I am aware that it is not the fastest SSD on the planet. I ordered it anyway to replace my Steam hard drive with an SSD at a reasonable price. I think it will be quite sufficient for that.
@@benn87 exactly this 😂
using this as a back up drive lol
got a 2 tb for 113$
I have a Really old motherboard (B85M-G) where i can't get anything else but a SATA drive. Will the 870 then be worth it?
I find that the only substantial difference with the QVO drive is that it takes longer to copy files to it than the EVO, but the read and write speeds compared to the EVO are practically the same.
Gaming and software performance will be similar?
@@creative_visions123 Yes. Just drop your Steam Lib on it and u will be fine.
@@SpiDey1500 means i don't understand the terminology
@@creative_visions123
Reading is no problem for QLC.
Writing performance is similar, as long as there is space left.
QLC stores 4 bits in a single cell and TLC 3 bits.
When the drive is empty, it just writes each bit into a new cell.
This is what Samsung calls SLC (1 bit per cell) cache.
But as soon as no empty cells is left, the writing process becomes costly.
The drive has to read the cell, combine the bits and write it afterwards.
Which for 4 bit cells is much slower than for 3 bit cells.
[this is a simplified representation, not a technical explanation]
The less space you have left on your drive, the faster QLC will age.
This is a problem, for example if you use it as System drive with Operating System doing alot of writes.
This is also, why Samsung Magican recommends to just preserve 10% space (Over Provisioning).
Modern drives still allow for many write cycles, and normal consumers should not run into problems.
But still I would only recommend the QVO as large storage drive.
These days in
@@ysmg9010 thanks for the detailed reply.
I use 2 of these in 2TB size for my game storage, but boot from a Samsung nvme drive. They’re good for what they are.
Hey man can you tell me how much of actual storage you have in the 2tb? The useable storage.
@@bruceha9296 should be around 1.93tb
Did you run out of space yet? :p
I have the previous version of this SSD, the 860 QVO with 4TB.
I don't think this SSD makes any sense below 4TB. There are way better options, but at the 4TB mark or above all the other SSDs (at least 2 months ago when I bought mine) where pretty much double the price.
I'm using this SSD as bulk Storage for my PC, my System SSD is an NVMe drive. And that's probably the only market for this drive. I don't care that much about the write speed, I'm more concerned about the silence (I had an enterprise HDD before. Damn was that a loud drive.), the read speed and the access time. And for that this SSD is perfect.
But please don't buy a QVO SSD with less than 4TB. That's just a waste of money...
If the price for these would drop down to HDD levels I would buy a few 8TB and build a media NAS for all my backed up media. I'm not sure I would want to swap out one of my EVOs in my main system for one though.
I have been using one for archival backup. An 8TB and it was getting full so I got a used 8TB 870QVO for about $500 and striped them. Writing took 10 hours or so to get 3.5TB onto each drive, but if I need to get to my data, it's fast to pull and read from. And as my stuff is set up like a NAS it gets a new frame or two of processed video and locks it away well before the Next one comes in. But OMG, to see those 100mps speeds when you're putting a couple TB on is a bit unnerving. Striped, I got them to about 220mps. It's nice opening my files and not seeing a red bar over the 8TB drive....
I would never buy a QVO drive. Reliability is very important when it comes to storage...
Backup ;)
I bought a 860 QVO with 4TB as bulk storage for my computer. I have a backup of everything important. In 4-5 years time (my estimate for when it fails) there are better and cheaper options out there and I can replace/upgrade it for cheap with a better model.
I've started unsubbing from some of the bigger tech channels because of their biased views and getting caught up in tech drama.
You actually have morals and are from GB, I'm staying here
I’m here to support the integrity and ethical reviews. 🙏
Uh? Inappropriate review test as the QVO SSD drives is not even meant to be used in computers. Its intended use is as a replacement disk in XBOX/PS4 consoles as it will be considerably faster than the HDD disk they come with when new. In gaming consoles, write speed isn't important for large files as once a game is installed, only short files will be written on the disk while playing, including in multiplayers online games. What you want in a console's SSD are: increased loading speed (aka Read speed) AND large space at low price per bytes (aka 2Tb to 8Tb storage space). Which is what the QVO line disks will give you!
For computers & laptops, people will want to use the Samsung EVO SSD version, because it has: greater life span, faster write speed for large files, but equal read speed that the QVO has. Hope this helps you make better videos with usage focused view on products.
Thanks for this comment! Im considering replacing the HDD in my PS4 Pro.
Seems like it would be good for archives/cold storage and okay for general builds but I'd prefer having that EVO myself if I had to choose between the two at this moment in time. The QVO reminds me of the old phrase [worm] Write Once Read Many.
I would think an old style mechanical drive would be better for cold storage... and a bit faster with 7200 RPM. Also MUCH cheaper per Gigabyte. I actually have a set up with a SSD with my OS and an OLD mechanical 3 terabyte I've had for years. (So old, it's not even 7200RPM! lol).
@Neil Leisenheimer That's a good idea, actually. Using it in a Raid 5 or Raid 1 + 0 array (or even 0 + 1, i suppose), where when a drive fails, the rest are read sequentially to rebuild the lost drive could work well with these drives over a mechanical, to prevent the others from failing. I could see that as a use case for these.
Only issue becomes when rebuilding a QLC ssd as the speeds drop to very low 70-140mb/s depending on the size of the disk (and QLC disks are not even cheaper then a TLC based ssd in a lot of cases)
if you have 2 storage slots I recommend getting EVO for system and programs, while getting QVO for general files(the ones you'll store for a long time) and some games that don't need a super fast drive. less than 1% wear after a year of active use, highly recommended.
I always wondered what the difference was between the EVO line and the QVO line. This was informative!
Qvo sucks garbage. After exhaust turbo write sequential the speed is 70Mb/S instead of 500Mb/s.
After copying 42Gb, it deadass QLC ssd. avoid all QLC Nand flash SSD.
Get TLC, 40 dollar different but speed stand still 300-500MB/S depend on size of SSD
128-512GB Samsung EVO ( after turbowriting speed : 300MB/S)
1Tb+ samsung EVO (after turbowriting speed: 500MB/S) just 40 dollar different.
Don’t get this QQQ QLC stupid samsung garbage, it’s like you’re purchasing SSHD instead of SSD.
Hi 👋🏻 I see your point in regards to price and performance in comparison with other competitors - However, where this makes the most sense (for myself) is the huge 8TB size it offers for access to VST instrument libraries when working in music production. And it's super portable when needed to transport to other locations/clients/studios. The read speed is more than efficient since the workflow does not include writing/transferring back and forth nor video/4K work. So TBW is way more than needed. This is ideal due to an 8TB option versus an NVME 8TB which would be twice the price! Just thought I'd share and shed some light on another scenario where this is ideal. Hope that makes sense :)
I have a Really old motherboard (B85M-G) where i can't get anything else but a SATA drive. Will the 870 then be worth it?
Here via Gamer's Nexus. Appreciate your integrity and you've gained a new subscriber because of it.
Same
Gamers Nexus pointed me here.
Glad I invested in my m.2 drives. This video is quality shit, keep it up! 👍
sorry just had to say it.
this does not only apply to your review, but also tomshardware. The comparison between nvme and sata is comparing apple to orange. Many still stuck with only sata connections, then this drive is worth consideration, for example, ps4 or old PCs. But good information nonetheless.
I just recently purchased a 4 TB 870 QVO to replace my old hdds for bulk storage. The drive works well, I even use it for gaming and it is noticeably faster than the old hdds. My system is older (7 years) with Haswell i5 in it and with no NVMe connection (although I know about PCIe conversion kits for older systems like mine), This drive makes sense only in the 4 and 8 TB range and it is not a performance drive. The 1 TB version is the worst of all (as I have read in other reviews), but I never experienced such drastic slowdowns with mine (large files are usually moved at a minimum of 250 MB/s). Fun fact: the 120 GB Kingston SSDnow UV400 I use as a system drive and which I originally purchased for my setup back in 2014 is much slower than the QVO and it is still enough. My gaming laptop is a newer one with a Nvme Plextor in it and the only difference I see is that my PC boots Win10 in about 8 seconds (with the old Kingston), while the NVMe is like 3 seconds. 5 seconds difference total. I can live with that. The QVO boots games fast and Fallout 4 loads a lot faster and have become a lot more enjoyable. This drive has no competition at 4 TB and above. There is the market niche it fills.
Thanks for the review, very helpful.
Im currently ordering the 1tb one, how durable is it? And how long is the estimated lifetime?
Im getting this to change from a hdd to a bit faster ssd
I have 970 Evo Plus NVMe drive as primary on my laptop, this makes great secondary drive for games as it was just 100€.
2 years later and I can confirm... it's still trash. You can get a crucial NVMe 4TB for LESS lmao... 6x faster. It has 38k sales... yikes!
I do stuff that really adds data to the system. I need another TB every couple of months, and I like to have three backups, so I need 4TB total every few months. I used an 8TB 870QVO and even though it took 15 hours to format, and 10 to put 3.5 TB onto, it handles the frames coming in every few minutes just fine. I had another one hooked in already but was getting to the limits of space, so I striped them hoping I'd et better write performance, and I did..... to about 200mps! LOL.
But it's a really good drive as long as you don't need to sit and wait for large files to go over. I've got it checking my work drives and taking in stuff as it is produced. And if I need the data, I know it's there. I don't use this to read from.... I have the working files on 2TB striped M.2 970EVo and also the first backup on 3ea 4TB 870EVO drives. So the data in these two 870QVC hopefully will never be needed.
I got this second one used for $500, and it had about 8TB that had been written to it. Maybe the people that bought it were bummed that it can be a bit slow. But I suspect it might do well at this rather low level of use. I'll mostly write to it until the two drives are getting full and then I'll stripe another onto them and that'll be a 40 hour operation moving all that data to the three of them. But as long as this is not the main SSD, and is used for a backup in case of failure closer to the CPU, I think it's a rather good redundant backup drive.
I had an animation processing all night and had the QVO drives offline, I just turned them 'online' and set up the capture to pull the data from the work drives and before I could get to the file to see if it was moving over, the 3,500 frames processed overnight (4GB) were already in the file. It's fast enough until you try that big file-size portion. I think for most people there're gonna prove to be good backup drives. But don't use it for work.
Samsung shouldn't have launched something this level of scam (80 MB/s write speed through a interface that can do ~540 MB/s real world transfer speed?). By doing that Samsung basically becomes replusive to me all of a sudden. No more Samsung! Crucial MX500 seems like heaven in front this 870 QVO crap.
so to put it in conclusion,
QVO price < EVO ✔️
QVO price > HDD ❌
QVO performance
I'm particularly interested in the 8 TB version for general purpose/archival storage. I wouldn't use it as an OS drive. If I want high IOPS, I'll go with NVMe.
that will cost you over 600 dollars, 4 tb option is more bang for your buck since its less than half the price. but if you can afford it go for it i guess
@@user-um3fx2vk8r the 8 TB version was on sale for 479.99 CAD a little while ago. Amazing deal for that price.
@@user-um3fx2vk8r Just bought the 8TB version for 350 euro's, at that price it was a no brainer. I am using it to replace a dying HDD, so the fact its HDD speeds during prolonged write is fine by me. I basically just want a more reliable replacement than the HDD's I own since I had multiple from different years fail on me this month and its becoming a serious threat to my data.
This drive is basically just a large version of my USB stick which has similar performance and thats fine by me for the price.
Steve sent me.
If 870 QVO is the cheapest 1Tb drive available and it is going to be used for games only... Why not?
Even some WD Green is 10 euros more expensive. The only drive that costs the same (1 euro more expensive) is BX500 which is QLC as well.
Will this be OK as a game drive, though? Meaning, just a drive where I install a bunch of my games just to help them load faster?
I know this is 4months old, but the answer is yes for loading games NVMe seems overkill, a SATA SSD will be much better and cost effective too. In gaming you wont see faster load speeds between the 2, however if you are moving large files around (eg: video files, game files ect) then a NVMe will be the better choice.
I have a 4TB and 2TB Samsung drive the same as this one. A QVO and they work fine.
I just bought one and this made me have second thoughts
I knew there was something fishy when I found this SSD at a higher capacity for dirt cheap back when I first saw it on sale. I didn't pull the trigger because I wasn't exactly sure if I was really ready to upgrade my storage space.
I bought a 4TB 860 EVO to upgrade from my 2TB WD Black instead, as of this month. Still would rather stick with the EVO series of SSDs when it comes to Samsung.
the QVO series are becoming more like a data backup drive, attached to the NVMe m.2 drive for the OS and programs. 2 cents. Even so, larger capacity spin drive still works great!
I've been using the 870 QVO SSD 4TB version for at least a week or so now. I'm not sure if you got a bad drive, or if the smaller drive sizes perform worse but my write speeds are WAY higher than the ones you showed (1:45) and that's without Rapid mode enabled. With Rapid mode enabled the read and write speeds on the bench mark are very high! They are in at least the thousand plus range. Also the diagram you showed at 3:05 is for the 860 QVO and not the 870 QVO. The 860 is a similar model but it's still different from the 870.
This video made me want to return my recently bought 870 QVO for my gaming PC. Your comment makes me less worried about it. Now I’m conflicted if to return it to Amazon now
@@diplomatG If you're not experiencing any issues with it then keep it because for me it works great. If you're looking for the best performance then go with an NVME drive if your motherboard supports it. However you'll probably be paying 2 or 3 times the amount for an nvme drive depending on the size than you would for the 870 QVO SSD, and for all that price difference you could use that money for other PC upgrades that would benefit you better. Of course the nvme drives are a different type of drive anyway, so comparing the 2 is kind of not fair. I only mention the nvme drives because if I were to replace my current drive (which I don't plan on it), then it would be with an nvme drive. With that being said if you need more performance than just turn on rapid mode and your read/write speeds will go from the 500+ range into the thousands. I think the only draw back to rapid mode is supposedly if there's a power outage than you could possibly lose data, but i'm not entirely sure about that. Also some programs and sites won't benchmark the drives while in rapid mode. Personally from a practical standpoint even though numerically from benchmarks the numbers are night and day it didn't really make a difference in any of the task that I use for my PC. Using rapid mode literally felt the same. The biggest performance boost I got for my PC was getting a CPU upgrade.
Profound Matter I sent it back and got the 4tb Evo
@@diplomatG Sabrent is the only nvme drive currently that I know of that makes 4TB drives and the current cost for one is around $800+. So I assume you went with a sata drive. I am curious to know how your evo drive works for you, and if you see a noticeable performance difference. Let me know how everything goes and any benchmarks you have. Hopefully you got to play with your QVO before sending it back so you can compare the 2 from your personal expirience.
@@diplomatG It's been awhile since your last post. Did you feel a difference with your new SSD or is everything the same for you?
Yeah, but if you NEED an 8TB drive, there's no ifs and maybes!! So, bad review!👎
Perfect review. Everything I wanted to know about this SSD. You saved my money! :)
Same here😂
More like save the time
I installed one of these QVO SSD on m PS4-Pro. The question is how long does it actually takes for the Cache to empty? I downloaded some games, let it sit for more than 30 with PS4 off, turned it on download the next game and it kept the same lower speed of less than 100MB. Also, these QVO have a problem of corrupting data and bricking the system, which happened to me with my PS4 and had to replace the SSD.
Is it worth it to get the QVO when upgrading from an HDD?
No. Get EVO. U won’t regret that and save your time
@@kaisha4355 thanks.
Good review. Subbed!
Looking for a storage drive with fast read speeds for large video and Astrophotography raw images (Thousands of them). Do you think the QVOs would suit this purpose well? The QLC Nand makes me more nervous than the write speeds.
Great video, wasn't aware of half the stuff you talk about, cheers mate.
My experience with the 860QVO 2tb wasn't the same.
I have never had it operate at less than full speed that I know of and I have it nearly 80% full with various games and other files.
I will say that as a whole the QVO line needs to be atleast 30% cheaper than it is because as of now there's zero reason to buy them over equivalent mlc drives
I have the 860QVO with 4TB and I also never saw speeds below 140MB/s. However it is not even half full up to now.
At least the 4TB model is pretty much half the price of any other SSD with 4TB so the price for the lower capacity models might be too high, but for the high capacity ones I think it's spot on (but I wouldn't complain if the price would be lower^^)
@@Pheatrix thanks for adding your experience also.
I have a 1TB 860QVO that's about 60% full, also haven't seen it drop below ~120MB/S ...yet. I got it for about $90 US on Amazon, it was one of the cheapest (if not the cheapest) 1TB SSD at the time. In hindsight I'm not sure if it's worth the saved $10-$20 over a TLC SSD.
Same ... I got the 4TB version and its pretty much just a game storage (2.4TB) drive with a few extra files on there and it has less than 300GB free space left and speeds are good for my use-case ...
I think all these reviewers are far removed from normal people because as far as I can tell not a single one of them gets the point of the drive since its not some performance thing ...
This pretty much is what happens when they pretty much get anything they want for free and you even see them put 1-3 2TB Samsung MLC's NVMe drives in raid 0 for a render workstation ... like, when you have everything at your disposal with most of the times it being free you become unable to see things from the perspective of normal people.
Its a 100% silent and large(ish) storage device that has SSD access times and fits easily pretty much everywhere ...
Not a single review that I've seen on RUclips or read on various websites has EVER mentioned that this is a good Games drive that can provide large storage while being quiet ... You don't need NVM'e drives for games or random storage ...
@@NamelessONEMail I purchased the 4tb model for the same purpose so thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like it will do just fine.
Here also thanks to Steve Burke at Gamers Nexus. This is a good community and I love the support shown.
I like your reviews, I have watched a few.
Can you do business laptops? We work a lot with Dell latitude machines, 15.6 inch, numeric keypad, 8 and 16GB RAM, 512 and 1 TB, intel 8565U and 10th gen 10850H CPUs on average for the 7 and some real potatoes for the I5s... Most with integrated graphics and hover between 700 quid to 1200 plus vat, which is appalling. Are there business alternatives? One good thing about Dell, on building sites, with the amount of dust and abuse they get, they are very resilient and 6yo machines keep working without fault.
Would love to see a review.
Thanks
That would be interesting to check out, although I'm not in touch with anyone who offer them so no promises!
@@TechteamGB need help to get in touch?
If you know the PR team/member I would certainly like to get in touch!
Anyone else have a system that came with one of these 8TB QVO SATA drives that runs like absolute garbage?
So far my experience is nothing but freezes / lags.
I want to love this new system [which I paid a hefty premium for].
It's otherwise high-end: Ryzen 9 7950X, 64GB DDR5, RTX 3080.
But, every time it "lags" [about every couple minutes, for 5-30 seconds before becoming "usable" again] task manager shows 100% disk usage, which seems to indicate the drive is fairly garbage and maxing out its read/write capacity before actually getting whatever current "job" actually done.
Your note that when the cache fills up, the speed drops massively seems consistent with my experience.
I'm going to get a 2TB NVMe drive [Gen 4 HP FX900 2TB NVMe M.2 drive] and clone the QVO's contents over and then set that as my boot / OS / app drive, and see if that resolves the **absolutely unbearable** lag issues. If it does, I'm reformatting this 8TB QVO and using it *solely* as a secondary flat file storage drive. 'Cause so far, this system's performance is an absolute dog, and I'm pretty sure it's down to the pitiful QLC / SATA / [quickly-filled] DRAM cache performance, as everythign else seems pretty top-notch [Lenovo Legion T5 7950X system, which **should** have basically **no** bottlenecks, otherwise].
Keep in mind, I had an old Phenom II X6 desktop that was my prior workhorse. I upgraded that from a mechanical hard disk to a Samsung **EVO** 860 2TB drive, which worked flawlessly and I 100% LOVED for years. So I don't hate Samsung SSDs in general. But this QVO 870 8TB, if it's the system bottleneck, is absolute dog-sh!te by comparison so far, and, IMO, as you say, **worse performing** than an old mechanical hard disk, once the cache runs out and it bogs down... For whatever reason, it then can't even do simple tasks like switching browser tabs or opening the task manager until it "catches up." Even typing text into the text box in RUclips to fill out a comment like this occasionally bogs down, sometimes even crashing FireFox if I keep typing without noticing that it had bogged down...
This video probably won't age well as a 8 TB QVO drive is going for about $450 currently as of May 12th 2023.
At a current price of $0.055 cent a gigabyte, this is a reasonable alternative to a person who wants to eliminate spinning rust from their computer systems in favor of SSDs which have usual longer durability.
A current BackBlaze HDD survey has concluded that drives over 8 terabytes have a significant failure rate, combine that with the fact that modern motherboards are including fewer SATA ports it only makes sense to use those few ports for as high capacity SSDs as best as possible, while using your NVME drives for performance scenarios.
A 8 TB QVO drive has four times the capacity of the highest capacity NVME drive currently. A person can simply copy over their games from their NVME to their QVO SATA drive without being concerned about performance issues as only a few CPU threads would be tied up in the process while the NVME has exceptional bandwidth for this scenario.
In modern-day benchmarks NVME drives are only ahead of SATA drives by a very very small margin usually two to three percent in terms of read speeds, whereas even the fastest HDD drive is still significantly behind an average SATA drive in read speeds, even if the QVO drive is filled to its capacity and would have very limited write speeds, it would still significantly outperform even the fastest HDD drive in terms of read speeds.
Just like HDD killed the tape drive as a boot, then SATA replaced the HDD for boot relegating HDD to storage, and now NVME has replaced the SATA for boot, SATA is now encroaching on the storage speed and capacity market. When SATA drives reach 16 GB at 2.5 cent a GB, I seen no reason why people would still want to purchase a HDD for capacity since NVME Will always be the preferred protocol since it has direct access to PCIe Lanes to the CPU.
Tl,Dr HDD drives are on their way out, high capacity QLC type drives are encroaching on the last remaining territory of safe HDD drives price to performance.
It seems that the 2TB+ models have a sequential write speed of 160MB/s after cache is filled, which would also presumably allow for the cache to be cleared more quickly. I have 3x 4TB 860 QVO's for media storage / archives and I really like them, but they're not suitable as system / working drives. The reduced TBW lifetime isn't much of an issue if you're using them for actual storage. 1 TB QLC SSD's don't really make sense in general, you'd be better off going with MLC/TLC drives. Strangely the 4KB, QD1 IOPS specs for the 870 QVO are worse than for the 860 QVO (35k vs 42k).
Honestly the only use case I can see for a SATA drive with those specs is a shock resistant/low power laptop data storage drive. I've got a 2.5" spindle drive in my laptop for media, backup and other files where latency is not important, and this could easily replace it.
But I'd like to see better value in TB per dollar.
first!
Unfortunately that doesn't matter
@@lukesalvidge5451 Its only a bit of fun mate, chill.
@@TechSway hehehehe I'm only screwing with ya man, wanted to see your reaction sorry for being an ass
@@lukesalvidge5451 No worries pal, I almost took the bait lol
@@TechSway :D
Guys, remember that all that stuff are just details of a few megabytes, will you ever reach those needs of read/write speeds one day? Not sure, or maybe once a year. The Crucial, Samsung and other new gen SSD reached the limits of SATA and a lot of us just don't need more. Pay attention to TBW and buy the most reliable SSD possible because your data is what matters the most at the end.
MLC drives kept going far in excess of their rated P/E cycles. QLC? not so sure...
Digital foundry suggested this for the series x so I'm not too sure
Great honest review. Been following you since the start of all this hoohaa. When I get some extra pounds together I will definitely pick up the Rocket.
I have a Really old motherboard (B85M-G) where i can't get anything else but a SATA drive. Will the 870 then be worth it?
Great review explaining LARGE FILE writes very slow performance vs a EVO860.. EVO860 is CONSTANTLY faster at ALL FILE SIZES. EVO860 is 500 MB/s at turbo write and always 300 MB/s plus write speeds.
qvo its VERY slow.. if you download biger files.. its pathetic.. big mistake.. the stupid cash fills up so quik.. its pathetic.. thanks samsung.. cant trust this guys now!
To be honest i will buy the 8tb one for my laptop and see if there will be a cool and smooth gaming performance
This is on offer right now where they're giving out a free copy of Assassins creed Valhalla with it. Honestly the only reason I got it
I got the Intel 660p 2TB last year for 200 USD. I can recommend it. Things have advanced a bit since then, but this QVO is inferior :( .
Hello T-Gb. Steve at GN mentioned you were worth a view. I believe he is correct. I have clicked your subscribe button and will watch your content, as long as you don't suck. So, please don't suck. Cheers
I paid £60 for a 1TB on Amazon.
Replaced a rather full 480gb gaming drive.
Oh damn good I watched this video because I almost bought this ssd lol ... Thank you for review
You should have mentioned that 2TB versions and above are limited to 160 megabytes per second when their cache is filled, not 80 megabytes, which means it's still a little faster than most HDDs. I haver a 4TB version and it's been working excellently all this time.
I have a Really old motherboard (B85M-G) where i can't get anything else but a SATA drive. Will the 870 then be worth it?
@@danbanan6322 yes, it's pretty good
The use case is obvious, it's for people who need a drive that reads a lot and doesn't write much.
I found the Samsung EVO 870 1tb to be faster
why no results with rapid mode enabled? i got 860 evo speeds with rapid mode on
good question.
hello and greetings from upstate NY, USA. i'm here from the GN video and happy to be a new subscriber. thank you much for the integrity and hard work.
Personally If I were going for a sata ssd I'd rather spend the extra £30 on a seagate firecuda 120 1tb. Decent specs on paper with 1400TBw endurance. Plus in theory you shouldn't see the drop offs with writes either.
I picked up a 860 QVO on amazon a couple weeks ago. Does anyone know the difference between them?
Hi
Will there be any upgrade of 860 evo 2.5 inches
Like 870 evo???
I am actually thinking for buying it as secondary storage to store games and movies and I will play games from this drives(games which I play very rarely directly from this ssd as primary games will be stored on nvme).
Will I wait for it or buy this 860 evo 1TB varient?
Please help!!
Meanwhile, in the real world, I am currently copying a little less than 1TB of flac files onto a 2TB QVO drive. Speed is around 130-140MB/s over a USB3 connection. Given that further writes will only be as I add new CD rips, I am very happy with the storage costs.
no,..,.steve did NOT send me....lol.......nice review Andrew...I'm in need of a SSD....and this helps...
i hope i have seen your vid before i buy this crap.. good job bro..
I can’t tell if your accent is English or Irish
At the price point given, it's difficult to justify.
If you want an m.2 drive, you can get a Silicon Power A80 drive for the same price, which uses TLC instead of QLC and has performance almost on par with samsung's much more expensive 970 line.
Even in the SATA market, there are plenty of other alternatives. A WD Blue drive can be had for $15 less, which once again makes use of TLC instead of QLC. The controller might not be quite as fancy as samsung's, but it's more than enough to cap out the SATA limit.
A lot of this can be attributed to Samsung's status in the SSD market; they have been making SSDs for a long time, and so people trust them.
TL;DR, this drive costs too much for what it does. Significantly faster drives can be had for the same prices, and there are more reliable drives with the same performance for less.
I have a Really old motherboard (B85M-G) where i can't get anything else but a SATA drive. Will the 870 then be worth it?
don't put these in your ps4s they're very unreliable! if u suddenly lose power or ya machine freezes and you're forced to turn it off ya OS OR Data is corrupted and it won't boot unless u reinstall ps OS
stay away from these!!! if it cant manage in a game machine what good is it in a pc
I picked one of these up just as a data drive or to install some games I don't play often. I was gonna go with a 2TB mechanical hard drive just to save my data/porn but I just can't put those big ugly things in my systems anymore especially with a brand new Ryzen system. I did however get a Samsung 980 Pro gen 4 for my boot drive + my go to games.
great review, showing how garbage QLC can be.
one critique is the drive u pull up as comparison though.
the sabrent rocket Q is also a QLC drive, so its slowdown might be just as massive. going by the advertised numbers, that only refer to the SLC caching speed for the sabrent rocket Q and comparing them to the tested 870 qvo is a bad comparison then i'd say.
a better comparison would have been to compare the QVO drive to a TLC drive like the crucial MX500 and pull up some long write test data from a fellow review, while crediting them for the data of course.
then u can clearly state, that the mx500 is the far better choice, as it has much higher sustained write speeds and still has a 5 year warranty and is TLC.
also the mx500 at 1 TB costs less than the 870 QVO 1 TB here, so that also fits with the idea then.
samsung QLC: "pay more for less" :D
QLC SSDs obviously have limitations, but they are helping make hard drives obsolete in consumer systems which must be a good thing
I dont think so, hdds still reign in storage capacity
For a 1tb qvo price u can get a 2tb hdd brand new or if lucky enough, a 4 tb one
I think inside a console with a spinning hard drive like the xbox one (s), it is a really good replacement, yes the qvo is on par, or even worse at writing lots of data to it, but the xbox doesn't mind, because it can't write fast anyway, but reading speeds are perfect, and there is where you gain the most in a game console. I am about to install a 1tb qvo in my xbox one s right now!
Bruh... dont keep comparing a sata 3 ssd to an nvme m.2 platform drive like wd sn550 or the sabert drives. If people are looking at this drive it probably bc they need a sata 3 drive so compare its specs to another sata 3 drive...
Amazon sell this drive for £110 and the 860 QVO for £97 which is odd but hey its Amazon. I bought the 860 back in March this year and its fine. I wanted an SSD for my Mac Mini and then maybe move it to the Mac Pro to use as a boot drive. My finding are that's its good for web browsing, email, documents simple light tasks. It does feel a little slower than my Crucial MX500 SSD. I will put the 860 into the Mac Pro to give it the full Pro Tools workflow and then see how it copes. If you looking for a SSD around the £100 then both are good options for simple tasks, and better for achieve or storage. Reliability may be an issue. If I bought one today I would use as a boot drive and save everything onto another drive. If you want a bit better value for your money then I'd go with MX500, 860 Evo, WD Blue even San Disk SSD's. If your PC or laptop uses NVME then stick too them. There are much better options out there for your money so go with them. Better safe then sorry.
I was considering the 8tb, but think a 4tb nvme in a usb 4 drive enclosure sounds a better and faster option. My thunderbolt enclosure with a samsung 980 2tb 980 pro is miles faster than the 4tb samsung 2.5 ssd drives I have in several hhd enclosures. I looking for a 4tb sata drive for longer term back.
recently bought an 870 QVO 1TB. planned on replacing my 1TB HDD that came with my Acer Nitro 5.
the hard drive was filled to the brim (920gb out of 930+gb)
i am not planning on making this QVO as my boot drive because I already have an M.2 SSD installed (with no games installed on it).
480gb used for games, 400gb used for movies and music, 10gb used for work documents.
Once cloned, my new SSD will contain the 480gb worth of games while the hard drive will serve as my library for movies and music as well as the windows and documents backup.
NOTE: I don't think I will finish all of my games in the near future as I am sometimes busy with my work, and I have a massive ePSXe library (200 games) + other games that I haven't even touched.
Prototype 1 (finished)
Prototype 2 (not yet started)
Fallout 1-3 (finished)
Fallout NV and 4 (not yet started)
Gothic 1-3 plus Arcania (finished)
Far Cry 1 (finished)
Far Cry 2(not yet started)
Resident Evil 5 (finished)
Resident Evil 0,1,2,3,4,6,7,Revelations, Revelations 2( not yet started)
GTA Vice City (not yet started)
GTA San Andreas (finished)
GTA 3 (not yet started)
GTA 4 and 5 (not yet started)
Risen 1 (finished)
Risen 2 and 3 (not yet started)
Dead Space 1 to 3 (finished)
ePSXe Library = 2 out of 200 games finished
**based on the above, I don't think I will be finishing all of these by the time the QVO warrantly runs out. Furthermore, considering that I will not be downloading more games in the near future (aside from Far Cry 3 to 5), the TBW on the QVO is not alarming to me.
PRICING (in the Philippines, converted) :
Samsung 870 QVO 1TB = 110 USD
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB = 150 USD
Crucial MX500 1TB = 145 USD
Sandisk Plus 1TB (DRAMLESS) = 104USD
Sandisk Ultra 1TB = 140 USD
ADATA SU800 1TB = 125USD
*based on the above pricing and my plan in using my SSD, it seemed sensible to buy the QVO. Sandisk Plus may be cheaper, but it has no DRAM. Moreover, Samsung has a good reputation (in my opinion) for storage technology. The ADATA SU800 would have been ok (TLC + DRAM), but there are no reputable vendors here and the customer reviews from local sellers were horrible.
I guess I am the target consumer?
im looking at this 4tb or 8tb variant mainly for storage (Games) i have an Nvme for my bootup/os, would this be fine for that?
2 years later I bought two of these (2x8TB) and put them in an external case and attached to my intel (silent) nuc server. Now i have a silent quick storage for my home network. I admit writes are slow, but once the storage got filled up with data it does not matter anymore as I dont write hundreds of gigabytes in one session anymore. It is capable of writing 20.30 GB at once without issue and in a quick manner. So its a perfect drive for silent quick storage purpose.
😭 made a mistake buying the 870 qvo should have done more research before buying it.
Perfect Steam drive, got the 1tb model. Loads like my 860evo 500gb boot drive, my pc is quiet so replaicing the wd blue with an ssd made it super quiet
Older samsung ssd are much better , you can also choose 2,5 inch Hynix Gold that are awesome or Kinsgtone, no more samsung or you want pay pay much more for something better than Now QVO
Great video mate. i am in the market for a qlc drive, i don't think i would pick this one but it would be cool to see it compared to other qlc drives like the intel 665p and crucial p1.
Hey I wanted to ask you something? I was planning to start a youtube channel and I wanted to know if there are any guidelines to follow when reviewing a product !! now I want to talk about products and give tech news in my channel but for that I need to take screenshots of websites ,so I was wondering if I need permission from the website to use a part of their content and also do I need permission from the manufacturer to talk about their product in my channel ? any suggestions would really be helpful !!!
If it was priced 20% below the EVO I would buy a 4 or 8 TB version. The larger TBW and SLC cache would be satisfactory.
According to the comments, you told the truth about Nvidia. Good for you. Now Intel won't be lonely anymore as they sit on my boycott shelf.
sata drive's are not worth considering unless you have 2+ gen old computer, a cheap adata nvme will smoke it
ps its not terabit, its terabyte (a terabit is only about 125 gigabyte)
ive jsut bought this. 80 quid with a discount and assassins creed valhala comes free with it. no brainer for a games library
Samsung SSD's sell because they have the easiest to use operating system cloning software for when people upgrade their computers. 1 click and you are good to go.
I am aware that it is not the fastest SSD on the planet. I ordered it anyway to replace my Steam hard drive with an SSD at a reasonable price. I think it will be quite sufficient for that.
using a 1tb 970+, 2tb 860evo, and now the 4tb qvo as a tertiary drive.
Wish me luck. I just installed 2 x 2tb qvo 870 on my old laptop and also mom laptop
Nice. I just ordered and upgrading my laptops smaller HDD with this 2TB QVO soon. How did it turn out for you ?
@@teamavenger007 work great! My start up program now run only 1-2 mins but before was > 5mins. Save me thousand to buy new laptop. Woohoo
This thing sucks...heres an affiliate link
Kinda stupid I put a 2tb QVO in my ps4 but definitely notice load times on certain titles
I would see this to be a drive for system intergators... or what ever the people are that manage a TONs of prebuild systems, as there the capasity is large enough to dupe the consumer, if the price is right. As in, there, the margines are what make the proffits.