So Welt Can Still Use The Herrscher of Reason's Construction Power?

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2024

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  • @DeiKuromu
    @DeiKuromu 9 дней назад +100

    At least this confirms to me a long time open secret: The energy coming from the Stellaron is NOT Honkai energy and Welt has to resort to other energy sources.
    That explains the nerfing of the Herrschers in A Post Honkai Odyssey 1 and the use of the Moon Rings in APHO 2, this is consistent with what Sa/Vita have been doing for millions of years, and why Kiana sealed (or rather, she will seal) the remaining Honkai energy in The Moon.
    Why exactly and how much was the cost? (I smell Final Lesson 2.0 with Helia) we will know sooner or later.

    • @natchu96
      @natchu96 9 дней назад +5

      uh...what the hell does a stellaron's energy have to do with Welt?

    • @zackone2001
      @zackone2001 9 дней назад

      @@natchu96 Honkai's energy does not originate from Earth, it was brought to the Earth Universe from others and becoming its natural energy. They just name it Honkai when it appear in Earth.
      Both has similarities that it's energy is a cancer. Stellaron itself is a cancer of All Worlds, it cant be destroy, but can only be seal. I too once thought Honkai come from Stellaron's energy.

    • @DantalianN
      @DantalianN 9 дней назад

      ​@natchu96 it was a theory that the stellarons were made from honkai energy. And that's why welt could deal with them absorbing the honkai.

    • @samuelbutler3332
      @samuelbutler3332 9 дней назад +6

      ​@@natchu96the mc is walking around with a stellaron inside so if the stellaron emitted honkai energy he just stand next to them and create things no problem.

    • @armonox
      @armonox 9 дней назад +2

      @samuelbutler3332 TB's body contains stellaron though, it's energy doesn't just leak from TB

  • @MaliciousVeracity
    @MaliciousVeracity 9 дней назад +71

    Could've sworn we already knew this. Doesn't he tell you on the express if you talk to him that he can use his "mimicry" powers to show episodes of Arahato or something?

    • @alejosuarconde1145
      @alejosuarconde1145 9 дней назад +23

      Yep, I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who paid attention to that interaction.
      I haven't seen anyone mention it since the game came out.

    • @neoz1493
      @neoz1493 8 дней назад +2

      ​@@alejosuarconde1145
      Well, I've known that for a long time, I'm even surprised that most people don't know. Moreover, the fanboys who keep bragging about Welt Solo HSR don't know either lol. This proves that they really don't play the game seriously when they want to know the HSR Lore

    • @arts1628
      @arts1628 8 дней назад

      ​​@@neoz1493the fanboy be like "welt solo HSR and Kiana is 11D multiverse" bullshit like that 💀

    • @Charlett
      @Charlett 7 дней назад +1

      ​​@@neoz1493 But Welt has his Star of Eden!!!!! It surely is enough against Emanators like Acheron!!!!
      Jokes asides, how the heck they think that a mere mortal can win aggainst a fkin concept of destruction and things like that
      He doesnt have enough power to be a Real threat as Herrscher and Star of Eden is an okayish weapon seeing that Acheron wields just better one (bcs her weapon basically has all "hsr herrschers cores)"

    • @Tacit_helmet
      @Tacit_helmet 7 дней назад +1

      @@arts1628they say that off the premisses that because one can affect the whatever the hell this game uses as a multiverse (tree of life or whatever..?), that because their attacks can affect it; and because it’s (supposedly) an 11 dimensional construct, that it means they have 11 dimensional attack potency. Something like that. I don’t do scaling on this game or much in general so don’t quote me I’m just telling you their reasoning

  • @zackone2001
    @zackone2001 9 дней назад +54

    Well, after becoming Herrscher of Truth and save the world, Bronya indeed return the core back to Welt and he's back to being HOR, the problem is, Earth's Honkai energy has been seal by Kiana nerfing every Herrscher, while earth call it Honkai, we dont know what other world name that energy. The energy itself is a world natural catastrophe that was brought to Earth, not originate from Earth.
    So Welt can still use his power but the energy itself is not abundance making restoration of his energy take a while. Idk, if dev make a plot where some energy contribute to Welt power, he might be able to pull what he did to Kevin but in HSR.
    P/S: I dont play HI3 but I do read a little of their lore so its not 100% true.

    • @thetrung2312
      @thetrung2312 9 дней назад

      Blame the imaginary and cacoon of finality

    • @noname32134
      @noname32134 9 дней назад +7

      Honkai - internal imaginary energy

    • @moonamir9708
      @moonamir9708 9 дней назад +8

      From what I heard :-
      Honkai energy is basically imaginary energy filtered by the cocoon.
      Not sure of that is true or not.

    • @Myticalcattnip
      @Myticalcattnip 9 дней назад

      That why welt path was nihility, he know honkai energy is sealed so this path was great for using HOR creation
      If only he research TB energy for battery of his power he can carry nameless for TB wander around without worry ( a child being guarded by its parent)

    • @cakefrosting6451
      @cakefrosting6451 8 дней назад +5

      In the very first place, Welt when he had HoR power was not as compatible as Bronya Zaychik, the 3rd HoR, was. So, using HoR power was always going to hurt him.
      Even before his world’s events transpired to the effect that Herrschers lose most of their power to the Herrscher of Finality,
      Welt using any proportion of HoR’s power would damage his body, a little like a Stellaron corrosion if you will.
      In fact, on his homeworld, he was trapped in a different dimension of existence until the 3rd HoR happened to free him alongside her friend, that world’s Seele. So being trapped in a different dimension further warped his body to look even younger than his actual age, but also diminished his combat capacity in terms of using HoR.
      Like being a strategist who knows how to plan for a fight, but not necessarily fit to fight with the power of Herrscher of Reason. So he mainly uses HoR’s power for his job in game development, something less taxing.
      But ok, what he DOES have as his cane, and now relies on more in Star Rail, is a weapon called Star of Eden. Now this weapon is made with a dead Herrscher’s core from a past civilisation on his planet 50,000 years ago.
      Star of Eden’s power IS Gravity Manipulation, which thanks to technology, Welt was able to learn how to use it, so his entire kit is based off the power of his cane essentially. Yes Star of Eden’s specialty is making black holes. Not as sophisticated as sinking a whole continent by sheer force of gravity (which the Herrscher this core was extracted from did), but is still quite dangerous.
      (Cause black holes have great gravitational pull, hence and therefore for game purpose, he was assigned Nihility
      and not Erudition, which is more befitting had he been able to use HoR without crippling himself,
      as HoR is a “mini-Nous” with 300,000 human minds/ wills helping to “make stuff out of nothing according to what the user knows” possible)

  • @averagehi3enjoyer
    @averagehi3enjoyer 8 дней назад +15

    The only thing i wish RN is welt somehow manage to found a way to restore his core energy and ascend to "Truth" Like Bronya (well i mean Welt is competitive old man, if he had a chance to get stronger i don't think he will let it slip) from what i see welt is the typical old dude who would say something like "Oh wow to think that i would still able to grow despite my age, i guess the spirit in my heart is young as ever"

    • @fierytigergaming8112
      @fierytigergaming8112 8 дней назад +6

      Lol, that'd be a good way to make a new variant of Welt (Can't say 5*, since he already is a 5 star unit)

    • @dragonex4723
      @dragonex4723 7 дней назад

      @@fierytigergaming8112it’s time for 6 star welt 😂 (wait didn’t he already say something about him being young in spirit when he could see clockie)

    • @Aoyami_21
      @Aoyami_21 7 дней назад +1

      Im not very familiar with HI3 lore but I heard that one of the reasons welt came to hsr is so he can protect hsr himeko from the sky people because they seem to be after her for some reason atleast that is what I read in some comments so Im not sure if thats true.
      I also read that they are a very dangerous civilization that harvest honkai (which is apparently a plague of sorts that is capable of bringing an entire civilization to its knees) as energy. If welt were to evolve somehow it will likely be due to when the sky people finally arrive in hsr and when hsr himeko is in grave danger.

  • @b.ardner6903
    @b.ardner6903 9 дней назад +15

    "I'm to become DEATH. Destructor of worlds"

  • @illusion6661
    @illusion6661 9 дней назад +33

    didnt bronya said she return back the core of reason to welt in apho

    • @Avocado-ki3hq
      @Avocado-ki3hq 9 дней назад +4

      Well the only thing that is for sure is the core of reason turned into the eye of eden that welt uses idk ab the rest i forgot

    • @illusion6661
      @illusion6661 9 дней назад +3

      @@Avocado-ki3hq is his cane

    • @DeiKuromu
      @DeiKuromu 9 дней назад +8

      ​​@@illusion6661Star of Eden comes from the Previous Era 9th Herrscher (Herrscher of the Earth or Gravity), the original Star of Eden was severely damaged and Bronya reconstructed the Divine Key. With or without Herrscher core that's useless because there's not Honkai Energy nearby to absorb
      The question is how Welt's cane still works without Honkai Energy? Or that weapon also uses his vital force or another kind of energy?

    • @natasha01108
      @natasha01108 9 дней назад +13

      @@DeiKuromu because honkai energy is not exclusive to earth. In fact, they only call Honkai energy because the term honkai was founded on earth whereas the energy itself can be harness everywhere in the universe. Take note, the cocoon of finality is an alien entity that is not originally from earth which means the said "honkai energy" was also not even originated from Earth.

    • @Estradess
      @Estradess 9 дней назад +4

      @DeiKuromu in the new part 2 story it’s kinda explain that the honkai can be multiple things just like the shadows it probably has its equivalence in the hsr worlds we meet kinda like stellarons

  • @luisfillipebeserra2108
    @luisfillipebeserra2108 8 дней назад +9

    It's always been obvious that he's still a herrscher, the thing is that people just never wanted to accept that, lol APHO makes it obvious that Bronya no longer uses those powers and the core, much less that Kiana can simply make them disappear, even HoS is alive to this day and she's literally a form of Honkai that the core of Sentience is her heart

  • @KanKanQuentin3206
    @KanKanQuentin3206 7 дней назад

    I love how you named the trailblazer Bronya😂😂😂

  • @Venti-01
    @Venti-01 8 дней назад +9

    Isn't imaginary energy a substitute for Honkai ? And he already mentionned countless times he still had his powers of reason , such as when he explained he could use his "mimicry powers" to show us Arahato , or more plainly , when he literally told us that his powers is to mimic anything he understands. I feel like that last one is a great generalization of his powers , so I probably expect some kinda Welt power up arc where he actually can not only mimic weapons , but also Human concepts or the enemy's power (Like he did against Sirin in 2nd eruption manga with mimicking her imaginary shield)
    PLEASE HOYO GIVE ME DEUS EX MACHINA WELT 😭🙏🙏🙏

    • @Goras147
      @Goras147 8 дней назад +1

      No, that is literally what Reason powers are - "if you understand it, you can reverse entropy using Honkai energy to recreate it", something along those lines (and I think it was used in the Anti-Entropy VN, but I'm not sure). That's why he's able to recreate his body after Bronya gets the Core of Reason from SoQ, because he understands his body. Reason is really a very overpowered ability, but it is limited by one's knowledge. That's also why he trains Bronya's Reason powers at the very start of HoDomination arc, because Bronya needs to be able to understand what she wants to construct fast.

    • @Venti-01
      @Venti-01 8 дней назад +1

      @Goras147 Yeah , that's why I feel like ascended reason's power is the ultimate deus ex machina , because you could literally just "I understand strong and weak nuclear force" and you suddenly split any non-herrscher entity or above (which is 99.999~% of the imaginary tree) into a pool of atoms , or literally mimic your opponent's powers and grow it at immposible rates...

    • @Goras147
      @Goras147 8 дней назад +1

      @@Venti-01 True, though it seems mimicking other Herrscher powers is never as strong as the original. Would be interesting to see what Kiana could do, since she, as HoFi, should be able to innately understand each Herrscher power, given she trains to use them all.
      Anyway, idk if Welt could go beyond Truth in HSR, but who knows, maybe one day when HI3 and HSR stories fully converge, if they do.

    • @Yuchiro24
      @Yuchiro24 8 дней назад

      ​@@Goras147Yup,I'm pretty sure he can use the powers of other Herrschers, even though they aren't as strong as the original. It's similar to the case with Void Archives, which can mimic other Divine Keys (since it was created from the PE Core of Reason), although not as strong as the originals. If I remember correctly, Honkai Impact 3rd already showed Welt mimicking another Herrscher's power-Sirin's ability to control the void-in one of the bubble universes Bronya entered. However, he died later on because his body couldn't handle it.

    • @Venti-01
      @Venti-01 8 дней назад

      @@Yuchiro24 I think you're refering to the 3rd bubble Universe in chapter 11. If I remember correctly , in that scenario , he had won against Sirin in 2E , but turned evil , and absorbed her core.

  • @Schinak
    @Schinak 9 дней назад +72

    Now all the clowns saying he could put up a fight against Acheron can shut up

    • @JEFFNoTClick
      @JEFFNoTClick 9 дней назад

      but the clowns were talking about the star of eden on his cane, not the Herrscher of reason autority

    • @evillness2360
      @evillness2360 9 дней назад +9

      goku solo

    • @FD-wl7xq
      @FD-wl7xq 9 дней назад +46

      And all you Acheron clowns should shut up saying Acheron can defeat Finality Kiana and Origin Mei when they far surpass Acheron….
      Just fyi.Kiana is described by a memokeeper that Kiana stir the waves Like an Emanator with Only Her Will meaning she is High Tier Emanator or above Emanator (CoF is equivalent to an Aeon as it is a higher dimensional being just like the Aeons and it is way older than Aeon’s existence.Plus it literally protects earth from Aeons)

    • @JEFFNoTClick
      @JEFFNoTClick 9 дней назад

      @@FD-wl7xq fr and bro, even if the memokeeper says that her energy only matches one of a emanator that would mean nothing lol, finality autoriy literaly lets kiana play with the reality, same to herrscher of origin, that thing doesnt have a common autority, it may be whatever the herrscher wants it to be, just like elysia becomin imunne to corruption rewind abilities.
      Aeons itself can be deafeated by herrschers, just like IX would have no chance against corruption, xipe would have no chance agaisnt death, and if aeons have any connection to the imaginary tree to use their powers, Binding would clap them all lol.
      aeons are just powerful beings with a hight amount of energy, dealing with entities that control concepts is far more complicated. they just dont have a chance against finality.

    • @BobBob-jm3yy
      @BobBob-jm3yy 9 дней назад +19

      Ok but prime welt
      I’m so sorry I had to

  • @himalkanwar77
    @himalkanwar77 9 дней назад +3

    Tides of time gone by is also a honkai impact part 2 album

  • @bigbruh698
    @bigbruh698 9 дней назад +9

    He is Herrcher, he can draw Imaginary energy from the Imaginary Tree and convert it into Honkai energy to do his jobs. Kiana only seals Honkai at Earth, she does not seal Imaginary energy, so Welt should still be able to draw it. The proof is his cane. This thing only works if charged with Honkai energy. Welt himself is a Herrcher so he has a plentiful of one. Moreover, The emitted Honkai radiance does not hurt other members, because Trailblaze path grants them high resistances

    • @jakeblitzcoffie4859
      @jakeblitzcoffie4859 9 дней назад +3

      No. He isn't a Herrscher. He is a mortal now with 1% of his original authority alongside the Divine Key.

    • @randomguy9002
      @randomguy9002 9 дней назад +5

      He isnt actual herrscher nor he have the power anymore
      Only what left after apho which is why his power is very limited
      The problem is that all herrschers power is already with kiana
      So there no point going anywhere
      There no honkai radiance from welt wdym?

    • @vietcuongnguyenle8530
      @vietcuongnguyenle8530 8 дней назад

      @@jakeblitzcoffie4859 he can’t fight most peole in hsr with only 1% power

    • @jakeblitzcoffie4859
      @jakeblitzcoffie4859 8 дней назад

      @vietcuongnguyenle8530 He can because of Star of Eden. Without that, he's just a guy with a small fraction of Herrscher authority.

    • @vietcuongnguyenle8530
      @vietcuongnguyenle8530 8 дней назад

      @@jakeblitzcoffie4859 i doubt even 1% power of aeon is enough to fight emanator
      It only enough to fight pathstrider
      And that is if core of herscherr equall an aeon

  • @whyamihere3150
    @whyamihere3150 7 дней назад +1

    Doesn't he still have the core with him? Bronya gave it back to him before APHO. He might've given it to Joey, idk.

  • @randomguy9002
    @randomguy9002 9 дней назад +5

    We already know he is nerfed
    This just details about his creation power
    Im surprised he still have his reason power even if its just little bit

    • @neoz1493
      @neoz1493 8 дней назад +1

      The problem is, the Dev team once said that the welt was actually in its prime. I have the scan. So it could be said that the welt point has not experienced nerf altogether.It is possible that the imaginary energy outside the earth really helps Welt convert this power into his Herrscher core or perhaps thanks to the blessing of the power of the path, his Herrscher core still survives. And functions as usual when on earth

    • @jakeblitzcoffie4859
      @jakeblitzcoffie4859 8 дней назад

      @@neoz1493 Welt is far past his prime. If he was still a Herrscher, it would be pretty obvious. He's not a god anymore, and he has lost the majority of his HoR authority, now mainly relying on his cane for combat, which is still a dangerous weapon in and of itself.

    • @neoz1493
      @neoz1493 8 дней назад

      @@jakeblitzcoffie4859
      I'm not interested in hearing your opinion when the Dev team itself says welt is still in its prime state, welt can still do whatever it does in hi3. That's a lot of evidence

    • @jakeblitzcoffie4859
      @jakeblitzcoffie4859 8 дней назад +1

      @neoz1493 Idk where they said that, and if they did, they are being terribly inconsistent with his lore. If the dude was still a Herrscher, more than half the issues the Express had faced so far would be taken care of by him alone, and he would be a God/Godlike being that would be to powerful for the current plot of the game. The dude says he can barely make an animated series in HSR. In his prime, he could create nukes and whole armies out of nothing on a whim, alongside being able to perceive higher dimensional planes of existence using the knowledge of the 300,000 minds in the HoR core. But not once did he do any of that, nor do his eyes change to resemble his HoR status like in the Hi3 story and manga. Again, the dude is past his prime, and it's obvious....

    • @bigbruh698
      @bigbruh698 8 дней назад

      @@neoz1493 When did they say that, i need proofs

  • @Honkailove
    @Honkailove 8 дней назад +2

    Realmente muchos de honkai estar rail, diran que el poder de los herchers es inferior a los eones, pero deben de investigar mas afondo lo que es un herchers y un eon en resumen un eon, es una fuerza superior alos hechers en fuerza bruta, pero no en inteligencia lo cual para los herchers es una gran ventaja, porque ellos si son concientes de sus poderes y acciones. dando en resumen la fuerza bruta es inestable sin conciencia, y inteligencia lo cual los deja por dejabo de los herchers. Por eso hay que investigar antes de hablar cosas sin sentido.❤❤

    • @Honkailove
      @Honkailove 8 дней назад +1

      También hay que entender, que welt en realidad no es el verdadero portador, del core de la razón en la misma historia de honkai impact 3 da a entender que bronya fue la única en poder llevar el core, asu máximo poder, lo cual welt es un personaje de segunda categoría al lado de bronya

    • @Honkailove
      @Honkailove 8 дней назад +1

      Es un gusto dar info de calidad jajajaja❤❤❤

    • @DeiKuromu
      @DeiKuromu 8 дней назад

      @Honkailove Welt fue afectado por la influencia de Ena (El Aeon del Orden), Acheron y Black Swan no. Aparte de que Acheron puede usar la fractura completa de tiempo, osea el equivalente al "Za Warudo", es decir una habilidad que sólo 2 personajes de Honkai Impact 3rd han dominado: Kiana Kaslana y Raiden Mei
      ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

    • @Honkailove
      @Honkailove 8 дней назад

      @@DeiKuromu De hecho vita y saa también lo dominan sin problema y saa que es más fuerte que vita, en todo su poder apenas alcanza el 10% de capullo de la finalidad ahora, ponte a pensar en el gran poder que posee solo vita y saa acomparacion de el "eon" y "za warudo". Con decirte que finalidad significa el final de algo el poder destruir por completo algo que no quieres que exista. Vita y saa no se acercan en poder a kiana y aun así poseen el poder de retroceder el tiempo asu voluntad aunque ese tiempo o galaxia ya allá sido destruida y hay un nuevo persona que también lo puede hacer que se llama leyela el nuevo enemigo del planeta marte

    • @Honkailove
      @Honkailove 8 дней назад

      Así te digo no lo digo con intenciones de ofender ok 👍 solo digo lo que se

  • @Mixtrelle
    @Mixtrelle 8 дней назад

    I picked the third option too

  • @lesterism
    @lesterism 8 дней назад

    Even if he can use his powers from his prime, he's still a smallfry compared to the high tiers

    • @Tacit_helmet
      @Tacit_helmet 7 дней назад

      In his prime he is a high tier, just among playable characters though. No one is touching the aeons😭

    • @dragonex4723
      @dragonex4723 7 дней назад

      This is why Welt needs to Herrscher of Truth right now so we can watch him be cool again