Timber Frame Cedar Pavilion Complete Build Start to Finish
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Custom Timber Frame Cedar Pavilion Complete Build Start to Finish. 30 ft. by 18 ft. Marine Timber Frame Shelter. Rough Cut Cedar Pavilion with 8 inch by 8 inch posts
We had a deck built last year using cedar from a tree we had cut down from our property and into planks years before. Saved us about $10K. Planting new cedar trees this year!
if you plant the trees in the corners of where you will need a car port in 50 years, then you don't even have to cut them down.
That looks great, men! You gotta love working with cedar. That tractor sure made the job much easier. I might end up getting one about that size one day.
Thanks! Can't say enough good about the Kioti CK2610. We did a complete review of it here: ruclips.net/video/2vH31j95wNg/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I don't understand why you build a tall structure and have almost zero roof overhang. Why not an overhang of 18" on the sides to combat the weather?
@@dougmarcum8096 That is a good question. I did attempt to answer that question in the 5 month follow up on the Cedar Review Build here. ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.html
32K seem like a lot but you did say Cedar is 3X as expensive and wood prices are ridiculous right now. Nice work. Beautiful property. The home owners should be grateful to be so blessed.
It sure is pretty to have a boat sit under it. It grabbed my attention because I would like to have a pavilion/patio outdoor gathering space near an above ground pool made similar to this but not as tall or long. With the cost of this boat space I may need to get a few more jobs or water budget instead champagne taste.
Beautiful work and I enjoyed watching the build. I realize a lot goes in to a custom project like this.
Understood. Material cost for the entire project was right around $18,000. $14,000 was labor, overhead and profit just for a bit more detail.
@@troxelservices I appreciate your reply with the cost breakdown. It’s made sturdy with materials that will hold up for years to come. I like that. I’m glad I came across your video!
Great video. Thank you for sharing all your hard work and tips
Thanks Toni!
Ethan was a really busy person 👍
You made a very helpful video keep up the good work.
Great job!! I just started a detatched carport. And i like the style and will build mine similar to this one!
Very nice and solid! We would like this same structure next to our home, but around 40 ft in length and 12.5 ft wide. We live in Bokeelia, FL.
Sounds great keep us up-to-date with your progress if you happen to put it on RUclips
Nicely put together, simple but strong.
Excellent job. Awesome. I want one!!!!
Not trying to be rude but that is post and beam construction not timberframe. I did not see pegs or mortise and tenons.
This^^ still well done, but not even a fraction of the craftsmanship required for true timber frame
Gutters? Gorgeous work! I love cedar but it is rapidly pricing itself out of my shop. 😥
I hear ya. Treated PINE would work for this same build but I would only want to do it if everything was smaller. In other words, the height being a foot or two lower, using 6x6 posts instead of 8x8 and using 2x10 side header beams instead of 2x12, etc ,etc.
Nicely. This instability of the tractor's hydraulic lift is a bit stressful.
Yeah. I looked it up and that seems to be extremely common in many tractors. It might even be slightly by design which seems strange.
I am planning to build one in my back yard.
That is great. Text or call me if you have any questions. 901-671-8219
Wish I could afford one of those.
good job thanks
Beautiful project. You guys did a very good job, but you need to take safety more seriously...
We are always learning, and there are definitely some things we would do better next time.
Great video
Man, it looks AWESOME!! Kinda lost me with the whole solar thing! 🤷🏻♂️
Solar is great but it can be tricky during winter and longevity compared to regular wired electricity.
This is beautiful, good job! How did you attach the ridge beams? I noticed in the follow up video that you mentioned it was not one continuous ridge beam.
Because of the distance between trusses and the purlins providing so much lateral strength the ridge beams were sufficient. The ridge boards were attached with screws coming in from the other side along with joist hangers.
outstanding!
Is there a reason you didn't use concrete footing with an anchor on top for your posts?
There is but its mostly because we had more experience doing it the way we did it and there was less of a chance of something going wrong or becoming week overtime with our skill level.
Thx for sharing
I can’t hear what you’re saying the music little bit too loud but it’s good video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the feedback. I have a "5 Month Cedar Pavilion Review Video" that i am editing and I will keep the music lower in that one.
I am interested in a materials cost breakdown
I was wondering what tools would you say are necessary for a project similar to this but at a smaller scale, like 12x14
How high do you want the structure to be in terms of clearance to the ceiling?
I have the same question but am more interested in what lumber dimensions you would use for say a 7 foot high and 12’x14’
Thanks for posting this video. You guys did a fantastic job. I am sure customer is very happy.
Where would you recommend getting the cedar? I live in the Houston, Texas area. Thank you for any suggestions you can provide on buying quality material, but at a "reasonable" price.
That is a great looking ladder. What brand is it?
It's a Hasegawa 12 FT Tripod ladder. We absolutely love this ladder for so many reasons! The cost is somewhere between 800 and $1100 for the 12 foot version
Just curious, but how much would you charge for something like this? Labor, material, hardscaping?
$33,000 - $38,000
I have to Do one like that, can you give a rough Idea how Much it cost just for the labor?
Are you going to be part of the crew spending time on it? That will change the labor amount of course.
Gorgeous. I’m afraid to ask how much it was! Excellent craftsmanship.
We charge the customer $32,300, our profit was about $6,000. Our profit probably should've been a little higher but we took extra time on a few things that ate into the profit then we probably will next time as we learned about efficiencies, etc..
@@troxelservices that is a very honest answer. A profit of $6k to me says after all of your expenses. Possibly materials may have been $12k
@@sabbie7 material was about $19,000 total labor was $7,500 if you don't include my time. So technically, my profit was lower than $6,000 if we consider that I was working on the job some but it was a great experience overall I wouldn't change it and we learned how to do things even better next time.
so no finish for the wood? will be the next video? what type of finish is the best? great work
Great question, I should've added that question to the 5 month review video just released a couple days ago. So from what I understand it's pretty safe to stain the rough-cut Cedar a year or two after install without losing any beauty or protection to the overall wood and structure long-term. My recommendation to the homeowner was to have us come back and stain it sometime in the first 24 months but of course that comes with a cost. It will be absolutely beautiful with the right stain.
Few more details:
1. The top of the roof ridge is just above 16 feet high.
2. Clearance under the structure is 11 feet. This means the bottom of the header boards and the bottom of the trusses allows for clearance of 11 feet to park a camper or boat, etc.
3. Structure was completely built with timber screws, 1/2 inch carriage bolts, decorative lag screws and T-25 external screws. Additional bracing we added in many places along the way.
4. As said previously the structure is 30 X 18 FT as measure by the drip line of the roof.
Nice build ...must be nice to have all that loot for overkill cedar construction..😉
Yeah bro!
Post and beam yes. Timber Frame no.
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@@troxelservices Timber frames use mortis and tenon joinery. This build does not have any. This is post and beam.
Hello. Great video and great build. I’m wanting to build something similar but at a 12x16 scale. Do the gable trusses push the weight to the walls? I noticed there is no ridge beam or board. New to this do I’m just trying to understand.
Great questions. Because of the way we built the structure with the many trusses and how much support we had with extra lumber and bracing, this structure is built differently than using a long ridge beam with just rafters. Here is a good article to help understand some of the pros and cons of trusses versus ridge beam and rafters etc. we recently had 60 to 70 mph winds that hit the pavilion with absolutely zero damage or loss of structural integrity. www.fixr.com/articles/rafters-vs-trusses
Why does everyone feel the need to pour tons of concrete into post holes when backfilling with a clean pea gravel is enough. Pea gravel is self compacting and I not only cheaper is strong enough. And self draining.
I have not had the best experience with pea gravel on a horse fence we had installed using that method about 7 years ago. All of the post are fairly loose at this point. Have you had good experience that has lasted for many years after install.
@@troxelservices Yes. A fence is an unfair comparison because it contains no cross and lateral bracing which eliminates wobbling. I currently have a 24 x 36 shop with 12 foot ceiling and a concrete floor which wraps the posts. No problems after 6 years and I don't expect any anytime soon.
That seems like overkill just to park a boat under....a metal roof is extremely lite!
It would be in most cases however, the plan is to match more cedar structures and decor around the garage and aesthetics was a big reason not just functionality
Do you use the same measuring bucket for the water and cement when you're making concrete at every job?
Hmmm. Can you explain this question a bit?
Super...
Why not build it out of steel square tubing?
Esthetics and long-term home/property value for the customer
Thanks for a really useful video. Three questions:
How were the knee braces attached?
Where are you located?
Might you be interested in assembling my project (in Baton Rouge, LA)? My contractor has disappeared.
Hey Bill. We used galvanized 10-12 inch long 1/2 inch carriage bolts for the ends. Spray painted them with black rustoleum paint. We had to Forstner Drill Bit to boor a nice 1 inch whole on the other end about an inch or two deep to countersink the bolt. Then on on the center columns we had to use a 1/2 inch allthread and bolts on each end to attach the 2 center knee braces. Baton Rouge is tempting. Maybe we could come down in the winter for a few weeks if you still need help then.
Was this for a customer or your place? If for a customer what was the total price?
Customer's site. Customer was charged $32,350 for everything. Material, labor and project management.
Overall nice look but it is awkwardly tall, too bad, but a happy boat? I would think it offers shade only when the sun is overhead only.
Guess it depends on how tall you are.. actually on a serious note, it had to be that tall because of the boats wake board tower and the way the ground sloped lower some in the back. The roof overhang could have come out further and lower to your point but it would have taken away of the view of much cedar beauty on the sides.
I addressed the height issue in the 5 month follow up video release a few weeks ago: ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.html
How much did this project cost?
@@jasonjohnston7516 it depends if you do it yourself or not. We charge the customer $32,000 total which included all material labor overhead and profit of course
Do you have a material list that you could share?
I don't currently. If you haven't seen the 5 month review of Cedar Pavilion Build I share a bit more about material in it. ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.html is the link.
Is this a kit that can be purchased or was this a fully customer build?
It was a fully costume build. I will likely provide another video going over the specific lumber and hardware specs.
Could you build this same building in 24’x24’
I believe so instead of six large posts going into the ground it would be best to put nine into the ground to cover the span of 24 feet with good solid support. At least that's what I would assume.
What is the code for the depth of poles? Less than 3 feet seems very shallow.
It was actually close to 36 inches for the depth. Good question and catch, I misspoke in the video and corrected myself in one of my first comments on the video back In Nov 2022.
Looks like your tractor hydraulics were leaking as it kept slowly dipping in various scenes
Its a slow drop on a new tractor that is common. About 6 inches per hour which is sometimes annoying but acceptable with new tractors these days.
Badass! Do you have a material list by chance?
Currently do not. I could create one. The 5 months review video shows more close ups of the structure as well that could be helpful. ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.html&ab_channel=TroxelServices
Did you have an engineer size materials and connections?
Not officially. we purposely overbuilt though for beauty and guaranteed strength.
Nice roof choice! Where did you supply that from?
Reelfoot Metal Building Supply out of Jackson Tennessee, great company and great customer service
Could this be done using post brackets instead of sinking the post in the concrete? Or would you lose strength and stability using the brackets?Looks great btw!
It could yes. It was a bit more work sinking them into concrete but we felt like it was the best way with our abilities to install it correctly from a strength perspective.
Check out RR Buildings. Huge post frame buildings and they use brackets on concrete tubes. From my understanding that is the preferred modern method so the wood doesn't wick moisture. I don't see many pros sinking wood in concrete anymore, and those post wraps dont cover all the wood thats underground, so not sure about that detail. If the land has good drainage, it'll still last 70 years, but one day those posts will rot and fail.
Can you put this over a pool ??...why not ?
Absolutely and that would be a very nice combination.
Do you share your plans for this build?
I don't unfortunately but I believe I will be creating a video that will detail all the lumber, hardware, counts, lengths and sizes later this year.
What state do you guys do work in? Really nice build id love one of those.
Right now we're just in Western Tennessee.
Can you tell me what brand the timber screws and through bolts are? Is the metal brackets Simpson Strong Ties Mission Collection? Thanks again. I my are of Michigan I can only find cedar at Menards.
We used a lot of he HeadLOK brand Lag Screws that looked nice and very strong www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMaster-HeadLOK-6-in-Structural-Wood-Screw-50-Pack-FMHLGM006-50/202268259
We did use some Simpson Strong Ties and a few other off brand brackets. Those Simpson Strong Ties get a bit expensive so we only used about 10 of them strategically. 84 Lumber can source the Cedar maybe.
@@troxelservices Thank you very much for the reply. Great video and nice work!
@@troxelservices Thanks again
Around how much was this project?
If you do it yourself and had one friend to help you, you can do it for $19,500. We had to pay employees and rent some equipment, overhead and profit so our total charge to the customer was $32,000
At the 12:00 minute mark you don’t have a ridge beam or anything connecting the trusses, and at 12:07 you do. Can you give a summary of how you connected them?
Edit: for anyone with the same question, it is answered in the follow up video - they used joist hangers, and the ridge boards run shorter spans between the trusses. ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.html
Thanks and good question.
This is very much overkill! maybe it is because of the video?
It's meant to be a 60 year pavilion not a 16 year pavilion
Few notes:
1. Our roof pitch was a 6/12 pitch. Great pitch to give a good look without being too steep. 5/12 might not be too bad as well.
2. Our holes were dug at a depth of closer to 36 inches(I said close to 30 inches in the video by mistake.) SO they were about 3 feet deep by 2 feet wide for each of the 6 posts
3. After the project was almost finished we added about 2 tons of finely crushed limestone to smooth out the parking pad that made it look nice and clean.
Let us know if you have any questions!
First and foremost, thank you for a great video and tips. I am looking on building a similar one myself and would like to ask if you can email me or post the material list and dimensions that you used for this project? Again, I greatly appreciate your videos and attention to both quality and pride that you and your team provide to your channel. Keep on doing great projects. Semper Fi!
Nice 80 000 job
Great video!!! Great ASM!!. You are as good a narrator as you are a builder. Id love to see the pavilion with the lights on and the boat under it.
We created a short video that shows just that here: ruclips.net/user/shortss-XuGsS7FoA
Bet this was astronomically priced.
Customer was charged $32,350 for everything. Material, labor and project management.
@@troxelservicesdid you at least hold him and gave him a kiss afterwards? My goodness!
Fantastic video, but just some polite feedback. Please don’t use the white flashing transition between shots. It can be kind of rough on folks who are photosensitive, myself included.
Thanks for the feedback my friend. I will remember that in the next review
Love the quality and the precision of this. Amazing craftsmanship. You guys do amazing work. Thank you for sharing it.
This is the most magnificent project that I have ever seen on video! Such expertise! This pavillion sets the standard that all others should follow without question!
Do you all have a parts list for the build? Or maybe plans for sale? We're building basically this exact thing except shorter and smaller. Uprights 6x6x12' pressure treated pine for the uprights and the overall dimensions are 12' wide by 16' deep. 2x8's for the cross beams along the long sides. I had planned to use metal roofing too with mounted solar array on the south facing side. Thanks for any input -
We don't but you feel free to call me if I can help in any way. 901-671-8219. Also here is the follow up video that gives more close ups of the lumber we used that might help you. ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Do y’all sell these plans by chance? I’m in southwest AZ and by the look of all those trees in the background, doubt I could hire y’all to build me one for my RV 😂 I’m very interested in obtaining plans please.
Not currently no. Would be glad to answer any questions you may have however, 901-671-8219
Thanks for the videi, what did you treat the timbers going in the ground with? Thanks Again
I would love a structure like that over my sawmill. 👍
Nice job I’m wanting to build a smaller pavilion for a shaded outside eating area. I like your design . Great video. Great tips I can use for my build
Great Video! Very well done!!
Outdoor pavilion, really a good choice, really a great project
Do you have a lumber count for this? Nice work!
I wish I would have! I might be able to recreate it.
If I may ask, how much the All the Cedar woods cost you?
About $15,000 roughly for the rough cut Cedar
Where did you get that tall ladder?
Ewing Irrigation & Landscape Supply is a local distributer in Memphis we picked it up. They may ship. Here is the brand and website directly from the manufacturer: www.hasegawaladders.com/tripod-ladders/
Nice job
Looks really nice. What does it cost to have this exact one built? Very interested.
We charged the customer $32,000.
Ok thank you
what is the total cost for this build?
The total cost with labor, overhead and profit included and what was charge to the customer was $32,000. Just material and supplies would be somewhere around $19,000
Very Nice good job
50k boat cover….awesome🥴
32K, and you are right that is one way of looking at it.
Where did you get the cedar posts? thanks
A place local called Bolen-Brunson-Bell Lumber Co. in Memphis. I picked them up. They may deliver or you can see if an 84 Lumber company is close to you and they can source large cedar posts.
What did you apply it to the poles
www.postsaver.com/products/pro-sleeve-fence-post-protection/
Post Saver Sleeves. Great Question
What's the cost for this?
Here's a follow up video and it'll tell you the cost. Let me know if you want specifics. ruclips.net/video/SBZskYpMCOI/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Do u have a material list and plans for sale ???
I don’t currently but might put one together.
I would be interested in plans for this awesome looking structure.
Great job !
Would love plans for this