Hawaii's population has been declining significantly, with many moving to Texas, Oregon and
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2023
- The state's chief economist says Hawaii's population has decreased for the past seven years, with 15,000 people moving away last year.
Pretty soon the rich people are gonna have to start flipping their own burgers and run their own gas and electricity 😂
Robots will flip burgers. People who run infrastructure plants make $$$
why do you think they have fully automated McDonalds now? the rich have realized they dont need the poor anymore.
This is actually a problem in Colorado resort towns. Property and rentals are so overpriced that there is shortage of people there to keep the place running.
And wipe their own butts when they get sick and have to go to the hospital. Get rid of international investors too dummies
Not Warren, he bought out DQ. He can have delivery flown in and shipped in from anywhere.
We never imagined living anywhere else. Born and raised and my husband and children are Hawaiian. But we saw the writing on the wall. Cost of living was increasing. Cost of homes were impossible. How would our 4 children be able to afford to stay? We moved to Florida and found a town that reminds us of the North Shore back in the 90s. It's beautiful here and the people are kind.
@Josh T it is my married name. My husband is Hawaiian Portuguese, but he was adopted at birth by a Japanese family. He was born in Hilo and then taken to Oahu, where he was raised. He's an electrical contractor, so he'd have to learn the European standards for electrical work. We miss Hawaii terribly, but also hate to see how it's changed in the past few decades. 😞
@Josh T we bought our dream home in Pearl City in 2015 and believed to our souls that that home was where we were going to live and die. We loved it so much. We did a full renovation of it and built it up from studs, and we were so very happy. Then the tide changed, home prices were averaging over 1.1 million, and we realized our four children would never be able to build a life there - and we wouldn't be able to turn our home into a mega house to house 5 families as they grew and started their own families. We realized that if we wanted to be involved in our kids' lives as adults, we needed to move to a place they could stay and flourish - not just struggle like we had been doing for the 18 years of our marriage at the time. My husband worked 80+ hours a week, never taking holidays off since we got married. We went camping once in our kids lives and felt the loss of income the next week deeply. When we were contemplating the move, we realized how much time he had missed with our kids. Our values have always been family first, but we weren't able to live those values in Hawaii.
@@emsan321 We live in Inverness. We are an hour from Tampa, Orlando, and Gainesville. 45 min from Ocala. 20 min from the Gulf or 2 hours from the Atlantic. We are surrounded by natural springs and lakes. It's got that small town feel that Haleiwa used to have when I was a kid. The city is always hosting events and festivals. It's wonderful.
@@maryhirose524 🤙I have been looking to move to a place that reminds me of Kapaa, Kauai. Small town feel
@@emsan321 You should visit the Nature Coast of Florida. We only miss the mountains (nothing like Kauai). But the NATURE here is AMAZING.
moving from hawaii to california to save money is like moving from monte carlo to dubai
Moving from Hawaii to California is like moving from Malibu to Beverly Hills
Except there is much more economic opportunity in California and the weather is still good unlike Texas, Washington, and Florida.
@@legacyjeetkunedo492 Florida has nice weather.
post of the week!!!! thumbs up!!!!
except there are actually jobs in california lol
We sold our house in Aiea and moved to Washington last year. What we sold our old 3/2 for allowed us to pay off my son's college tuition and buy a brand new home. When Washington was announced as third on the list I laugh, then I immediately felt like crying. We love it here, the people are great, there's more to see and do. There's more opportunity in every way. We've never felt homesick or regretted our decision for a second. Hawaii isn't for regular people anymore, it's for the rich, it's for the tourists, and the remaining locals who work paycheck to paycheck to service them.
“I laugh, then I immediately felt like crying”
Get medication
@@cbrreezzyy69 F you.
@@cbrreezzyy69 You should try getting a grip. And if you feel like being coddled in this thread, you should call your momma then. 🥱
Bainbridge looks like Kawaii.
Washington state is horrible you made a mistake lol
After working and living on Oahu for 35 years, I relocated to El Paso, Texas. I was able to purchase a four-bedroom home for a quarter of the price of my condo in Makiki. As for cost of living in Texas, it's not that much less expensive; i.e., food, electricity, etc. I miss Hawaii and my friends.
Yes people don’t realize the crazy property taxes in Texas, in some areas as much as high as 3.5% that’s $17,500 a year on a 500,000 home in a new purchase. That’s ludicrous, so much for big savings, trust me, every state will get you one way or another, you just need to be aware of what they’re doing And how they do it, there’s a huge variety of options to do it by.
I tried scoping out moving from Los Angeles to Texas, I was shocked that the property taxes were so high, and demand for housing had driven home prices up so high, that I was actually better off staying in California (financially, not quality of life though).
El paso is a huge place but very ugly lol and boring. I visited once in 2019 from California.
I get it Texas is. Cheaper
But, from tropical paradise to desolate boring flat Land
Yeah...but youre in El Paso....
Moved with my fiancee. I was born and raised in Hawaii and she lived most of her life in hawaii. We are both teachers and we met in Hawaii. It's hard when you have a masters and teaching experience and you make $54k in hawaii but then you move to Washington and you make $85k and the cost of living is less. We talk about it and if Hawaii at least matched the teacher pay in Washington, we would have never left.
I never understood the economics of lower wages in Hawaii. In California there are immigrants, both legal and illegal, flooding into the state, but companies have to constantly bump up wages to keep workers. Wages have not matched the rise in housing costs, but they have risen.
@@Cletus_the_Elder Wages are higher in general in Hawaii for minimum wage workers. It’s so sad they had to move to be paid an appropriate wage for their skill set 😢
I looked into Hawaii for teaching before the COVID lockdowns, and as desperate as the state supposedly was, their wages sure weren't showing how desperate they were. I was making more in Arizona.
its almost like teachers are underpaid everywhere.
@@pretzelhunt Adjusted for cost of living Hawaii teacher's pay and benefits are the lowest out of all 50 states. Here in washington teacher pay is actually pretty respectable
Some of these states Hawaiians are moving to are also seeing a mass exodus. California is one of those states. A lot of people left CA because the cost of living is almost as high as HI. Housing costs are rising across the country too. It's the reason why some people end up leaving the US altogether because in many cases you're paying more for a lower quality of life. Obtaining the American Dream is very difficult nowadays and for a lot of young people such as myself we may never be able to buy a house because of how overpriced they are.
About to leave Oregon, was a beautiful state then turned into a wasteland by the people who run it. Guess who those people are…
"The reason why it's called the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." -George Carlin
@@itsAmeOFP There may be plenty of jobs out in CA. But, do they pay enough? There are plenty of news reports about people leaving CA because of high cost of living and high taxes. It's the same reason why a lot of people are leaving my home state of MD. Even people who make good money in CA have left. It's not just the poor or middle class that want to save money on living expenses.
There are houses in the south in small towns that are $50,000-$150,000. Thats only a few years of working if you have a middle class job. There are jobs that pay over $20 no high school degree. I live in small place rn in the south that is $450 a month and I make well above that. You just gotta actually go out and look for opportunity it doesn't come knocking at your door :/
America is unlivable
I work in furniture sales, and I get so many people who come in looking to furnish a condo that they just bought here. I always ask, “oh fantastic, how much time are you planning to spend here each year?” the answer is usually 2-5 months. It’s disgusting. A lot of the folks from Japan that I sell to, say they come for 2 or 3 weeks a year and their condo sits empty the rest of the year.
They could raise property taxes to push out anyone who isn't serious about living there (carveouts for US homeowners). And use that money to pay for public housing.
@@leonidas14775 if you can own a condo and use it for a couple weeks a year, raising taxes is just going to be part of a deductible for that condo owner.
The US can pass a law like some other Countries, the Philippines for example, no foreigner can own land in the Philippines, except a condo (but you still do not own the land). A foreigner can co-own property with their Philippines born spouse, but if the Filipino spouse dies or they get divorced the foreigner has to sell within a set amount of time. Lots of non- US citizens would have to be grandfathered in and the law would also need to state no "willing" or "passing to heirs" , but once the law passed, and moving forward, properties would slowly work their way back to US citizen ownership through the decades and a max of 120 years.
There should be a LAW that prohibits the OWNERSHIP BY foreigner ... but the Local Government is SUPER CORRUPT TO THE CORE.
Someone forgot to mention to you socialism does not work. That is if you are so blind not to see the more socialist states in the US in total free fall and failure.
I left Hawaii in 95, it was bitter sweet but after graduation and a job waiting for me in Tucson, Arizona I just couldn’t pass on it. The cost of living and lack of opportunities on the islands did help me decide. I’m retired now at 60.
@Bantham Nobilis real estate market in Arizona was booming in 95.
You summed it up the best. I feel like the only opportunities in Hawai are in the Tourism industry or the Military one, etc.
@Bantham Nobilis I graduated college in my 30's, after SERVING my country.
@Bantham Nobilis many people graduate college in their 30's. Especially if they have to pay their own way.
@Bantham Nobilis Not everyone goes to college right after high school.
The more non-residents buying houses in Hawaii means less housing available for residents. They drive up the prices so local people cannot afford to buy. They pay in cash and either leave condos vacant as a second home or rent it out to local people. Imagine coming up with $600,000+ in cash!!! The state should raise taxes on all non-resident property owners asap.
600k is chump change to some.
Or the state, like many countries around the world, should require a potentially buyer to establish residency before they can buy property. That way it discourages people from buying to do short term rentals or leave it vacant.
@@ericdilley4724 agree, I'm Samoan living in Hawaii. Theres a rule in Samoa saying that you cannot buy any land unless you are atleast 50% samoan
Neighbor Islands already have significantly higher property tax if it's not your primary residence. I don't think Oahu has done this yet.
I'm not even a resident of Hawaii and I agree with this. The wealthy are destroying the affordability of Hawaii just so they can have an "exotic" vacation home
I started seeing that trend of moving out of the Islands due to cost of living in the late 90s when people could still go all the way in at the airport to throw farewell dances and ceremonies to their loved ones leaving..it would bring tears to my eyes and I would think that some day I'll leave too probably. In 2010 I did and although I've learned a lot and there's some good things about having left, I deeply regret it but due to the cost of living I don't think I can come back. 😔 Before you make that jump or get talk into leaving....make sure you made that decision. Unfortunately too many people talked me into it. Money is not everything. In retrospect I should have adjusted my way of life and stay home where I felt I belonged. Not pursuing some dream of financial stability because that's what people kept telling, "In Hawaii you'll never get ahead..." I was ahead, I was healthy and content living in a very healthy environment surrounded by friendly people who know what aloha really means. In any case everywhere is getting expensive and that expectation of financial stability is harder and harder to find anywhere. 🤙
i know exactly what your talking about sis, belonging, safety - friendly people.
I understand what you're saying here. No matter where you live, Happiness & Health is all we need. However it’s a bonus if you can share & live with family & friends in Hawaii no matter our economic situation & or circumstances are.
I wonder what is the percentage of people moving out of Hawaii were actually locally born and raised in the islands? As opposed to people who originated from somewhere else and decided to simply return to their hometowns for whatever reasons?
It's not just Hawaii that this is happening...It's everywhere INCLUDING the places Hawaiians are moving to
The truth is told, well said sir
Except for Texas - it's the state with the largest population gain.
Population growth means rise of cost of living 😝
No Texas, Arizona, and Florida populations are skyrocketing because people dont want to live in liberal shitholes.
@swarajthapa5798 there are "cheaper" areas of California but very undesirable
Oahu for decades suffered from unaffordable housing, rents, and growing population and bad traffic. It was customary for many young local adults to move to the mainland after college graduation. I did. Emigration out of Hawaii was the biggest favor one could do for Hawaii. The state government is quietly relieved that people are leaving overcrowded Oahu.
So who's staying?
@@ufosrus People who can't afford to leave. Like us. And we've lived here for twenty-one years.
No the “state” isn’t relieved to see “people” leave, they’re excited to see LOWER INCOME people, especially Hawaiians, leave and be replaced by wealthy transplants.
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Yep, that was me! After college I could not count myself as my parents' dependent. Nor should I. I was a grown-up. Technically and financially, I was truly a lower income person. I joined the Army and left Hawaii. In a short time I was a middle class person. Felt nice.
@@jeffyoung60 The thing about it, is the “state” is CREATING the lower income population in Hawai’i by making it impossible to save $ and ensuring there’s a lack of good paying jobs, even WITH a college degree… this is a tourism economy, what good is a college degree in a low wage labor economy?! All a college degree means here is additional debt to pay off. They’re essentially ensuring people can’t get ahead, then pushing them out to make room for the wealthy.
Soon there will only be the wealthy in beachside mansions on 1000 acres lots and the rest of us will be living in mountainside shanty towns or downtown micro apartments… mark my words.
I was born and raised in Hawaii. Went to school on the mainland and worked there for a couple of years, but returned to the islands. Now retired. My sister similarly went to school on the mainland and returned to the islands, she retired last year. My brother graduated from UH, but was immediately hired for a job on the mainland. He's lived in California ever since. He too, is now retired. We each made our choices. We each made sacrifices to make things work. None of us regretted our choices. The pasture is just as green on our side of the fence. Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻaina i ka pono applies to wherever you choose to live.
Cost of living in Hawaii is outrageous
I moved because of the politics and corruption. I just was over it.
Theft
Drugs
Crime
Aholes
That’s in every city.
If you look for corruption you'll find it everywhere!
You voted for it. People voted for it.
@@ChatBloom
Unfortunately, if an area has mail in voting, computers counting the votes, vote fraud is occurring all over the country. Hopefully, in Arizona, they can find some honest judges for the election rigging case there.
In Oregon for example they let the Republicans get close but never win the key positions, for decades!
The last two Dem governors barely won, with poor support. The Oregonian paper was even against Brown, which never goes against Democrats and she still won.
Obvious vote rigging.
The West Coast is a vote by mail rigged system as well as other areas of the USA.
Venezuela is the Liberal model.
I can't help but think this is all intentional, it shouldn't be this difficult just to keep a roof over your head. And the food? And then they want to shame and punish homelessness.
It is intentional. Its the same thing they are doing in all the mainland city area's that used to be affordable. Your elected officials are complicit because their rich donors want to live there. Locals aren't donating. They are barely surviving as it is. Its gentrification. Its just supercharged in Hawaii. The locals can't just move into the suburbs where is cheaper. You're trapped on a island rich people are using as their winter get away resort. Super messed up. Hawaii in 2050 will be an enclave for the rich, by the rich.
I moved FROM Washington State to Hawaii.
I realized that I can be poor and work hard in a warm place, too.
When you're already poor, moving to a more poor place doesn't matter.
People move here - most of them leave within three years.
They don't think or research, before they move here. It's not like moving to Oregon or Pennsylvania or some regular mainland state.
Yep. You make adjustments in your expectations when you know what's coming up ahead of a move.
My sister lived there for a while, and worked for a temp agency. She says there's no jobs out there, and the rents are insane.
Alot of people suffering and government leaders aren't doing a thing to address our root issues 😕
Government IS the root issue. You want to get them more involved in our lives!?
Gov is the reason they are suffering.
Texas and Fla gist way more than most blue areas they could’ve moved to. Why they going there?
Can you be any more vague trumper
@@yeboscrebo4451 this logic never will make sense
governments now have nothing but contempt for citizens. they arent in government to help people or make life better. government is nothing but a legalized mafia that people are in to get rich and collect a nice pension.
moving from Hawaii to California or Washington state makes no sense. exact same conditions in those states... high real estate prices and high taxes.
While that is true, the economy and opportunities are much much higher. That same person living in Hawaii could never afford to stay in Hawaii but can where opportunities allow the cost of living.
Born and raised in WA. I don't know the COL in Hawaii, but I do no know it is not cheap to live in WA anymore - assuming you want to live in the nicer areas. Everything south of Seattle is semi-affordable, but if you are looking to stay in the prime/big city areas such as Seattle or east (Bellevue, Kirkland, Issaquah, etc.), you are looking at no less than $900k for a 3bd 2ba. It is true, the opportunites are better here and compensation is handsome... if you are in tech or are a an exec at a big firm. Otherwise, you are forced to live outside the big city about 1-2 hours south (assuming no traffic...) of Seattle.
This ABC affiliate is owned by Allen Media Group, who is partnered with Sinclair Broadcasting, the company featured in the video a few years ago with the cut and paste segments across the country. The gentleman they featured in this segment works for Grassroots Institute of Hawaii, a conservative and libertarian think-tank that is part of the State Policy Network of conservative state-based think-tanks. I'm not saying this segment is completely off-base, because this is a complicated problem, but that guy's reasoning is that "regulation" and the "developers' hands being tied" is the reason housing is unaffordable, but he doesn't give any specifics. So, they might not be completely off-base, but they certainly only presented one side of a policy discussion without letting people know their biases.
I see a lot of comments here stating that those "low cost" areas where people are moving will get your money through different means, if not through income tax maybe property tax. I think housing is a problem because of the investor class. Their speculation drives up the prices so that normal people can't afford to live anymore.
Imagine being so brainwashed you defend leftist policies which are quite obviously the problem in Hawaii and other states.
I knew it, Hawaiians are moving to Florida, Texas, California and Washington, that is a super shocker!!
I lived in Hawaii for 14 years, would not move back, too many reasons I wouldn't.
I finished my last two years of high school staying with a cousin in Oahu for a change of pace. I miss it alot but I wouldn't live there again. I love roadtrips and you can't drive very far on the island.
Living on the big island off the grid for free.
My heart bleeds for Hawaiian locals being pushed out of their homeland due to impractical costs of living. At the same time, people flocking to WA have incentivized developers to clearcut all over the place for massive, hideous, cheaply made, gravely overpriced, yardless neighborhoods, to the point where much of WA is no longer really even recognizable as such. Real estate & living costs were always bad, but now they’re horrendous, even in the ‘run down’ areas. Locals here too are being pushed out because they can’t afford to keep up with property taxes anymore.
This pretty much absolutely sucks all around.😕
I am all for giving Hawaii back to the natives as long as they lose their American citizenship and we throw away the key. Have fun natives!
Not sure why everyone wants to move to Florida. It's fairly expensive to live there too based on a bunch of people I know down there and the weather is a lot to handle in summer months.
Its hot everywhere in the summer. In the other seasons its almost perfect. And we don't let folks camp out on the sidewalk..
Hopefully things get better for Hawaii. To this day I regret moving back to the mainland. 🤙🤙🤙🤙
I miss waking every day to the smell of plumeria waifing through the home.
@@kookietherapy9398 what’s that?
@@jdos5643it's a lovely aromatic flower, usually white with a yellowish center, very popular to wear behind the ear or in flower necklaces called leis
People voted for it.
@@kookietherapy9398 pff 😂
I graduated from a mainland college majoring in electrical engineering. There was not much career opportunity in Hawaii so I left Hawaii in 1955 for the booming Los Angeles area. It was a no brainer. Besides, I have a roach phobia. I never return to Hawaii except for visits. I miss the food, beaches and mountains but that is it. I am now retired in the Hill Country of Texas.
Also in HIll country Texas, moved from LA. I took a walk on the path next to Town Lake and my cousin asked What national camp ground is that.
Not sure how Texas helped with your roach phobia lol.
@@mrog5481 You are right, but I had an exterminator clean up and I haven't seen one in several years since.
??? 1955 so what ur like 90?
@@lilkev101kev2 Don't troll your elders man
I have personally seen this in my hometown Boca Raton. I have so far seen 3 cars with Hawaiian plates. I am still trying to figure out how they drove here?
Government interference is a perpetual problem in economic growth. It is also why, of all the states, I would think Hawaii would be at the forefront of repealing the Jones Act, which would help lower the cost of living there across the board.
This is not unique to Hawaii, this same process has and is happening all over the US, once cool affordable neighborhoods in various cities have been priced up in cost and the long term residents have to move.. Supply and demand is the issue, and the big money wins.
It is called demand economy. Where would you rather live, in Hawaii or in Buffalo NY?
The population hasn’t decreased. In fact it’s increased. Instead, people claim residency in other states to avoid paying state taxes.
Nah , nice try ☺️
@@bdsbckjdskl Nah, it’s true 🤗
Hmmm. 🤔 I know! Raise taxes in Hawaii MORE!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting but genius move on their behalf.
Also, there is a lot of foreigners that own homes in hawaii and don’t pay income taxes and are unaccounted for in the census.
I am planning to move in the near future, most likely back to Japan where I was originally born. I was raised in Hawaii though where I’ve lived for the past 31 years, but I cannot see myself living here for the rest of my life. There’s no job opportunities here and to be honest after living here for 31 years, it’s boring. There’s nothing exciting here and of course cost of living, especially the cost of food is ridiculous. I love Hawaii very much, but it’s time for a change of scenery.
I encourage you to move back to Japan. I personally don't hate foreigners. But, the US in general is getting too expensive. Even states that were cheaper are now seeing a rise in cost of living. Plus divisive politics is a big problem in the US as a whole. A lot of people just want to be upset over something and elect leaders who fan the flames of division. The last two elections have proven this. As an American who lives in a mainland state, I myself plan on leaving the country and getting married overseas. I plan on going to either Japan or Singapore. Any children I have deserve better than a life I had here in the US, where opportunities kept passing me by for one reason or another.
the problem with Hawaii, even if you can get a cheap low income apartment or something like that, the cost of literally EVERYTHING, is insane. Take the price of almost any food you buy on the mainland and add 40% to the price at a minimum in most cases. There are some tricks of living cheap (mainly, not driving a car as gas is like $7 a gallon) but you can only save so much. Great weather, but too expensive.
The food court at Costco is SO busy because how cheap the food is there.
Liberalism
I maintenance condos, and out of 56 units, 40 are left vacant during the summer because they are owned by "snowbirds" that is enough space for 40 families to have housing in my complex alone.
In Florida, the snowbirds RENT their condos to vacationers for the time the owners are not here and the condo buildings themselves act as the managers...for a fee, of course, and maintain the property when the owners aren't there.
That way the property is in use more, the owners make money (often enough to pay their mortgage), the condo management makes money, and vacationers have a place to stay on the beach! Or near Disney World.
Does anyone vacation in Hawaii?
Enjoy the quiet!
WTF is a snowbird?
@@rich2774 "Snowbirds" are people who are not residents of Florida but come for the winter. It is not a pejorative word.
Some have condos that are used as vacation rentals when they aren't here in the summer. The management of most of the beachside condo buildings will act as rental and maintenance agents for the condo owners.
There is an Amtrak "Auto-Train" that has special auto carrying cars which runs down the east coast. Snowbirds put their car on the train and ride the train down for the winter. It makes several stops in Florida to unload cars.
Others have regular homes or mobile homes and many have motorhomes with a car in tow and stay a campgrounds for the winter.
Most in Florida come from the east coast and Canada.
@The Yiz and the Yatz thank you for the explanation
Blame it on foreign and mainland investors who are snatching the houses up for vacation homes that they only occupy a couple weeks a year or renting it out as vacation/short term rentals for tourists...
Hawai'i, although beautiful with great food and people, is just too costly to live in. If you don't make enough money and you end up there, you can easily fall trapped to the economy where your children have to work hard to escape the island- which is what most of my classmates did after highschool. Gas is expensive if you don't live close to where you work or take your children to school at, or if you have appointments across the island, and cheap homes in Hawai'i are usually giant red flags due to weather hazards. For example, homes closer to the shore are cheap and have a beautiful view, but you have no insurance for it because its a danger zone (floods and tsunamis) and choosing to go there means you acknowledge it WILL face damage. A few of my dad's friends and family have made the same mistake only to move back to California or stay stuck with their decision. A lot of regulation has also gone down from what I've noticed too. There's a lot more pollution- not just with random small objects like bags and broken syringes- but giant cars tourists or random people will leave.
Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I remember heading home and seeing a narrow road almost packed due to cars parking on the side when there was parking spaces in other areas only a few feet away. 13-10 years ago, the road used to be clear with only 1-2 cars that way.
I love Hawai'i, I was born and raised there, but it breaks my heart from the economics, to the tourist treatment, to now the lack of care from people who are just too tired to care anymore.
So Hawaiians complain housing prices are rising just to move someplace else and contribute to the same issue lol
At least they move to actually live there. Foreign investors buy up apartment units and houses on Oahu only to barely use it or rent it out at high price.
Texas? You couldn't pay me enough to move to Texas...
I don’t understand why anyone would want to live in Texas. They regularly have summer temperatures over 100 degrees.
@@Civil-conversation-is-possible Western Texas is pretty cool actually. Houston is ridiculously hot.
Soooo they are not going to mention how restrictive the government of Hawaii was during the pandemic. The islands economies are still suffering because of how Democrats overreacted and drove away tourists which are their main source of revenue and those same policies also put a lot of locals out of jobs. Pure mismanagement. Look at how florida did and realize Hawaii could have done even better with competent leadership.
Hawaii's just one of those places that's great to visit, but not great to live in. That's just my opinion. I feel that same way about California. I hope to re-visit, but not relocate. Yes Hawaii is beautiful and warm, but definitely over-priced. I was in Hawaii with my family in 2001 for a one week visit, and remember seeing a gallon of milk for 5 something dollars. I can't imagine how high things there are now with inflation.
$10 in NYC
How about 800,000 to 1 million dollars for a small house. It’s insane. I work IT and I make 37 per hour and I still can’t afford my own home. Rent is crazier still with dingy small studios going for 1800 per month. I just live with my parents. I don’t got shame because I pay them rent plus, all them streaming apps. I ain’t no mooch.
I doubt that. I pay $6.00 for a gallon of milk post pandemic. No way it was $5.00 in 2001!
@@GreenWitch1 I forgot to specify that I saw that particular price for the milk in the hotel we stayed in, not at a local grocery store so that's why I believe it was priced extra high. We were at the Hilton Hawaiian village in Oahu.
@@JasonB808 In that case I hope you're able to relocate somewhere that's more affordable this year. I can't reccomend a specific city or state, but I know how you feel being stuck still living with your parents at a certain age. I'm experiencing that misfortune right now too. I'm tired of seeing those younger than me get their own apartments or homes before me. I hope this will be the year both of us can move out on our own.
I left because I saw things getting bad from just a few years previously. More crowding and a constant rise in prices all around but not the pay. It was far differant than when I moved there in 71.
Don't move if your democrap!
@@ChatBloom you're
Don't forget the Millionaires Gates Playgrounds....
@@Hawaiian80882 yea, he can buy hawaii and has already started. Guess he will next start displacing hawaiians from their homelands.
I wasn't alive in '71 but I'm positive that everything everywhere was far different then.
I assume you’re talking about people born and raised in Hawaii. I am born, raised, worked and retired in Hawaii. After retirement I moved to Thailand because I don’t have to worry about money. Hawaii will always be my home and I do come back to visit! Plus, there’s no Poke here!
Where is a good place to retire in Thailand?
@@jsurfin1 There’s Chiang Mai, Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket and many in betweens but they usually start in those four areas. Bangkok is usually the first area then they decide from there. Pattaya is the closest to Bangkok (2+hours) and that’s where I live. I lived 3 years in Bangkok and going on 16 years in Pattaya.
@@davidcrosson7272do you live there full time with permanent residency? How?
@@infini.tesimo If you’re over 50 you can come in with a tourist visa then convert to a retirement visa
@@jsurfin1 I’m in Thailand now, I would recommend Hua Hin, Thailand, super chill, lots of kite surfers here, on the Gulf of Thailand, and only 4 hours south from Bangkok, and close to Koh Samui , another expat favorite.
I have not gone to Hawaii during pandemic. I know people are moving there like crazy. I feel bad for any island people where their rent and food cost so much. Hong Kong where my family is from is also one of the costliest places to live. I’m so sorry you had to move. We all gave gentrification of some sort. I have a home further from where I grew up. I keep pictures of the city. I tell myself home is where the heart is. I can make home wherever I go.
Our world is changing. I don’t know which way we’re headed, but it seems like we’re in some kind of an upheaval.
Truest words ever 💯
It's called the 4IR "Great Reset" and our tech overlords have been planning it for a while now. Digital ID, Carbon Credits, CBDCs, and "UBI" are all on the horizon. Digital slavery.
very true
all by design. The intent is the complete collapse of western civilization, so that a New World Order can be established
Aaaahahahaaaaa…….ya think? As long as there are democrats, USA will suck.
It’s happening in Puerto Rico too, we are moving to continental US because prices in general are getting higher!
Houses in Puerto Rico are a lot more cheaper in comparison to Hawaii unless you're buying luxury or expensive real estate. Job economy is a different story. Puerto Rico is closer to the mainland.
Deffinently you can still buy houses in Pr for 70 to 95 k in hawii it’s a easy 400,000k for a decent home pr rent is still respectable.
yeah, you're coming to the US b/c it's closer to your welfare checks.....
God help the mainland, PR ghettos's coming......
When you realize you live in a resort, not a state.
You must have never been to Hawaii smh
@@jonnyfendi2003 clearly hasn't touched one foot in the State
*Sovereign country stolen by the USA
@@sh0cktim3 have you lived in Hawaii???? If you think it is all resort you clearly haven't lived in an actual neighborhood there!!!
I like how Texans cry that these people will just vote for the same things that "caused" property and rent to skyrocket or products.
It's not because of that, most homes and apartments are bought up by corporations and then sell or rent them out at higher prices. Not only that but because of lower wages as well.
It's more complicated than just blaming people for voting a certain way.
When politicians don’t understand consequences, life is difficult for the people, isn’t it?
It's a feedback loop of people making bad choices as well. Examples include buying into car culture and opposing housing projects. If you want politicians to create a good environment, you need to demonstrate a demand for it, but right now a lot of people fight against their own interests due to a lack of understanding.
Isn't Hawaii a heavily run democrat state?
@@meijiishin5650 wow! I like your optimism that politicians actually pay attention to the desires of the people.
@@mortocai very astute of you, isn’t that why those who can do leave?
@@baronbattles4681 They have to do it at some level. Just because they don't always do things you want doesn't mean they don't listen to everybody. I am personally a big fan of the pedestrian infra that has gone up in Honolulu over the past 10 years.
I moved from Waikiki to Puerto Vallarta Mexico about 2 years ago because the weather is basically the same and my entire cost of living is less than just my rent in Honolulu was
Nice! Im from colima the state right under where puerto vallarta is located. And i wanna move there too , to be close to my hometown and surf. Thats my retirement plan lol
I've been in Mexico for about 2 years and prices and rents have gone up massively just in that time in the PVR area. I'm considering Columbia now, but eventually we are going to run out of places to escape to... unless you live out in a cabin in the woods and catch or grow all your own food. and they are trying to make that illegal nowadays.
@@RedroomStudios I'm going to Thailand in 5 months for 6 months and then will most likely immigrate to Portugal and live in Algarve. It is more expensive than PV but drastically cheaper than Waikiki, is in the EU and I can get an EU passport after 5 years of residency
@@RedroomStudios Columbia is a Space Shuttle.
I've been to Puerto Vallarta on Vacation, but how is it living there? Are you older and retired? I've often thought about moving there myself.
The city council and dept heads are getting a big pay raise while the everyday person either get a small pay raise or nothing at all. How do they pay for this big pay raise? We it has to come from taxes. The city council is despicable and we should vote them out and vote people in who REALLY care about the people of Honolulu and Hawaii.
The state government is so corrupt.
Yeah they only care about the rail project than anything else.
So why not Nevada? I know a lot of people that moved to Vegas from HI and CA. Vegas is really taking off as more housing is being built far away from the strip and it’s super cheap. I’m thinking about making the move and I live in Los Angeles.
Hawaii is nice to visit but tough to live
And no single politician is addressing the situation by fixing the root issues and stopping increasing the taxing, feescand charges in these troubling times
Just imagine their own kids living here another 20 years?
They don't care. They're rich.
you need to wake up and realize politicians arent in government to help anyone but themselves.
The 2023 article "My Dinner with Sydney, or, Roy Batty meets HAL?" may be of interest since it mentions Lampedusa's 1958 novel "The Leopard" whose elderly main character says:
- What would the Senate do with me, an inexperienced legislator who lacks the faculty of self-deception, essential requisite for anyone wanting to guide others …Now you need young men, bright young men, with minds asking ‘how’ rather than ‘why,’ and who are good at masking, at blending, I should say, their personal interests with vague public ideals.
cuz Hawaii is 99.9% democrat-led.
Didn’t mention anything about the Navy poisoning all the water. Oops - huh guys? 😡😡
And of course with rising property values, come higher property taxes. My uncle was stationed there in the USCG. He arrived there about 1958, married a woman from the Hawaii, bought a house there and had three children, all born in Hawaii. He had some stateside assignments since, but eventually moved back to Hawaii, buying a house in Kailua, Oahu, where he retired. His wife paased away in 2012, and he passed in 2013, leaving his daughter the house.
Today, this daughter is faced with selling the house because she can' t afford to pay the ever-increasing taxes on it. She had talked about moving to the big island, but has been deterred from it due to all the recent volcanic activity there. She may be forced to move to the mainland, and she's not happy about it!
I hope she’s able to stay in Hawaii what a sad story. Hawaii is her home and she doesn’t want to leave.
This is a world wide problem.Try buying land in the Philippines now.Always hurts the locals most.
When I lived in Nebraska I used to daily deliver truck loads to Chadron in the western part of the state. I was surprised to find native Hawaiians living there. Chadron gets the highest amount of snowfall in the state and Nebraska in general gets pretty cold in the winter. Quite an environmental change for them!
a fair amount of students go to creighton university from hawaii, so they do end up in nebraska because of that. where they go afterwards, not exactly sure.
Lol, imagine north dakota 😁
I grew up in Rushville just 30 miles east of Chadron. I never came across Hawaiians but there is a Filipino family and some Samoans. It’s always funny to see how early in the year they break out the coats.
@@trevinschaerr3732 ooooo, we were one of them here in ND. 🤣. Now, we got high winds and blizzards...a sweatshirt and slippers will suffice. We are now those that giggle at those that look like the marshmallow man 🙈. We just got here in May 2022, got hit with our first blizzard badge 🤣. However, we know come summer... We may be going... Dang, it's too hot 🙈. You be safe and take care. Talofa/Aloha 😁
@@trevinschaerr3732 I remember traveling through Rushville often.
I have never been to Hawaii, always thought it was tropical paradise and would be awesome to live there, but literally every single person I have ever meet who was stationed in Hawaii or has lived there has never said one good thing about Hawaii and all would never live there again.
There’s a big difference between being stationed vs. living as a local though. In my experience, people have been very nice to me. You just gotta reciprocate respect and you’ll be good.
It's paradise - that's expensive. I always thought living on Hawaii was something out of reach unless you were wealthy so I never even really considered trying to move there. Now it's the same problem you find in many of the more attractive parts of the continent, especially in the cities where the best paying jobs and most opportunity are found.
Boomers really love this real estate monopoly... But now most big city's in US looks like 3rd world
I feel horrible saying it, but it wont get better until they die.
I don’t believe this for a bit. There’s still traffic. No way declining. People coming in are increasing!
Moving to Red states and voting Blue which will inevitably put you right back in the same situation. SMH.
I moved to Texas in 2022 for a work fellowship and moved back to Hawaii in 2023 due to job opportunity. Living in Texas has opened my eyes how affordable and decent it is to live in places in the South West. It is a lot better than people think it is living on the mainland.
The local people are moving out of Hawaii and the mainland bums are moving here sleeping on the sidewalks and under the freeways.
As a Californian I can empathize with the desire to move to somewhere with a lower cost of housing & being frustrated with the red-tape preventing more housing from being built.
YOU voted for it.... And when you ruin another state you will AGAIN vote the same way....
I guess I am one of the Millennials who doesn't want to have kids anymore. Life here is materialistic...money.... raising a family nowadays is a luxury.
Good job gov....
The billionaires and millionaires will soon have to unload shipping containers, stock shelves, fix their own cars, repave the roads, police the streets, extinguish fires, fix their homes, etc......all the many things that make a community function.
Ah, they’ll just import immigrants for all that.
nah, they will own all the housing. we wil owe our souls to the company stores again like the great depression. They everything points to a slave nation mentality. Smart cities are next.
No they won't. A labor shortage will eventually bring higher wages and locals will hang on
@@scottyflintstone Never underestimate the ability of Democrats (whom Hawaiians love) to bring in immigrant labor and keep wages down.
@@tobystamps2920 finally someone who understands why elites and dems love unchecked immigration.
Georgia is seeing a very big increase in people that has moved here also , All I've been seeing is Florida and Texas and California and Pennsylvania car tags here lately !
Yes lots of people relocating there.
Hawaii has become too expensive and overcrowded, but it still has some fine places for hiking, kayaking, and sailing.
Some of our housing problem needs to be put on Robert Kiyosaki types who convinced everyone to start treating houses as investments, and not just places to live. Everyone got monopoly fever, buying and flipping houses in markets where they don't even live. Now we have Blackrock and the Chinese to compete with.
I say you should be a ten year resident of Hawai'i to purchase anything, and Kama'aina's should be given preference.
Who can un-do the mess they've created at this point though?
@@hr5xz89ow If someone owns more than one home, and rents them out as short-term rentals, it affects supply for Locals, -no? I don't vote Democrat. Your low tourist wages, and cost f living have nothing to do with housing supply. -No, I didn't blame the Japanese when they were buying large parcels of the Big Island while flying over in helicopters. I blame local government for chasing the money, and not caring about the Kama'aina. Who's stopping developers all-over the country from building? Seems like it was your guy Biden that wrecked the economy.
-BTW, I'm in MENSA and have two college degrees, so GFY!
Lol...do you think you actually own your home?
Even if you have no mortgage and no debt, you don't.
It's a game, and in the end the government and their corporate buddies win. They will end up with your home, and "you will own nothing, and like it"
yeah - nobody invested in real estate until Bob Kiyosaki came along. LMAO Bob owns ZERO real estate and made all his money selling BS filled books to stupid people.
That’s dumb it’s a U.S. state so that would never work the best solution is to turn Hawaii into a reservation for native Hawaiians and the people that live there who aren’t Hawaiian simply leave and start over back on the mainland.
you make it sound like Hawaii is the only place in the world with such problems. it happens everywhere. Air bnb rental properties too.
Yeah Oahu is to crowded and beaches are overrun and it is not worth the cost. So many other places in the world with great beaches that dont cost as much.
well in Hawaii alone you have several other islands as options that are still expensive but arent so overrun by people.
Lived in Maui for the summer and it was horrible and struggle. Land locked, so many tourists, high cost
Yet, at the same time, Wikipedia shows the population _increasing_ recently to over a million.
Me too but in April I'm going back to Thailand for songkran 😎
I live in a building that only is 50% occupied, as half the owners are second homes. Perhaps this is what we need to address. My building takes dogs.
Wow! Are you on Maui by chance?
A guy I know moved from Hawaii to the SF Bay Area. He said the housing prices are similar but the cost of food is cheaper.
Now another interesting fact I would like to know is: How is the average wealth of resident? My guess is it is going way up. Basically if you don't have money, you can't live in a paradise.
What the carp are people going and bothering texas for? They voted for this, flee from it, and later voted for the same carp they flee from.
Shows how expensive and messed up the Dems have made Hawaii..lol
The whole Left Coast is a Commie Dem controlled nightmare and they keep power with mail in vote rigging.
California is a surprise. I'm from Hawaii and moved to the Mainland after college more than 50 years ago; my wife and I are now in a city north of San Diego along the coast. It's expensive here; housing is probably just as expensive as Oahu. And we are taxed to death. So I can't imagine anyone moving here. BTW we've lost almost 1 million people in the last 10 years. They're all going to the states you mentioned.
@Errr717 Why would California be a surprise? You shouldn't have moved to a worse blue state in the first place. It's simply because they're also blue. Cali is bad! You'd be better off moving to a red state, as long as you pledge not to vote blue.
Idaho as well. Percent wise, our state is among the fastest growing in the nation.
California is expensive, but there are lots of jobs here. Doesn't matter how cheap the rent is if you can't pay it at all.
Yeah people in Hawaii think we’re cheap here in California. That’s a laugh. We’re just as expensive in LA and we have a better quality of life. We looked at homes in Kauai and they were largely garbage. A few multimillionaires can live there nicely but the rest live just okay.
You should leave, too, then. People moving to crappier states than California is not a sign that those states are better, just cheaper. That’s like saying more people buying Kias means that those cars are better than Porsches. Stupid reasoning.
Born and raised on Maui, had to leave because of high rent! Now I live in Washington far away from home. 😢
Last time I went to MAUI , I was heading to LAHINA and saw a guy hitch hiking well dressed in a jacket, dress pants and shoes. I figured he broke down and was walking to get help. Turns out he came to Maui 2 years ago and HOUSE SITS for a living , he told me NOBODY LIVES in the Very expensive homes 2 million and up. ONLY for investment and a few months per year.. I said we're do I drop you off. He said , right at the beach , I live in a tent when I'm not house sitting. 😳😳
I saw what Hawaii was heading towards so I left in 2010. I’d like to move back to Hawaii but even with my nice salary it would be a dumb decision. Pretty sad that a native Hawaiian can’t live in his home. I am way better off not living there though.
I feel your pain--as native of CA, I can't afford to live where I was born, either.
You've been living in a One Party Dictatorship for 60+ years, how are you liking it?
I left because the governor was putting all sorts of restrictions and regulations in place that affected the industry that I worked in. My company laid off double digit of the work force which was multiple hundreds of people and then told the businesses through regulations forcing them to not work to be profitable. He kept his salary and I had mine cut 40%.
Lastly was the fact that the law said the emergency powers end automatically and yet he kept extending. A single judge rewrote the law and the legislature didn't go after either the judge or the governor over this. When I asked about under what conditions the governor would release the emergency declaration, in multiple neighborhood board meetings I got no answer and when it came was told "We're in the middle of a pandemic and the governor is a good guy", that really forced my hand that said it was time to go.
thats what Democrat governments are doing everywhere. they think they are saving the planet and making life fairer with these policies but what they are really doing is making everyone poor.
You made the right move
I moved to Hawaii in ‘98 from AZ. I’m a real estate appraiser. I saw appraisers were making $700 to $900 per assignment. I was on the big island so I had a lot of work. I was doing 5-7 assignments a week. The money was awesome. Some stateside lenders would even pay my airfare to other islands to do assignments there. But after 2 years the novelty wore off. There’s only so much to see and do on an island. In 2003 I moved back to AZ and bought a second home in San Diego with money a saved in Hawaii. Hawaii is a great place to visit, just not to live.
So you explored every nook and cranny in Hawaii? Even in my own home there's streets I've never been on and stores that I've never been inside of.
@@beringstraitrailway Not everyone is too busy or delays exploring their city. People who explor a lot will eventually ran out of something to explore.
@@beringstraitrailway What business is it of yours? I’ve lived here fir 5 years. I’ve traveled to the other islands. I certainly haven’t seen everything, but I’ve seen enough & pay through the nose to live here. I’ve made a lifetime of memories in my few short years, but I’m moving back to Florida in December. It’s far too expensive to live here post pandemic. The cost of living in Florida is literally half what it costs to live here!
Hawaii sucks butt
I’m so happy I literally just got a studio on Hilo!
Welcome to Texas, my Hawaiin brothers & sisters. Leaving home is hard but cost of living in most parts of the US is making life difficult. Wish you all the best!
Just don't vote for Democrats and RINOs (like Dan Crenshaw) that'll get you in the same situation.
It's called Bidenflation.
Ugh trading Hawaii for Texas. How utterly depressing that is.
I’d rather folks find somewhere else, the Texas population has already grown to fast. It’s highly annoying.
braddah i live texas. To bad no more one group so we all can meet up and have some drink. I have never met someone from hawaii here yet.
Big government has done a great job in Hawaii.
Like Portland Oregon.
Commie Dem homeless cesspool.
Interesting to learn this. Hawaii is such a paradise in so many ways. But the reasons given here make sense. California's population is declining too, because of the cost of living. But the economy in California is much better and salaries are higher.
I have a friend who lived on the big island, he sold his 2/2 condo a few months ago that he lived in for 25 years. He said he got almost 4 times the asking price for it, he bought a much bigger home in Austin Tx for a third of what he got for his 2/2 in Hawaii. He paid cash for in and no mortgage. ( me personally I would have not gone to Texas )
Property taxes are super high there. $$$
@@Theonewhowatchesyoutube .. yes I know.
We left Makakilo, Hawaii years ago, No looking back. We are way better off, bigger home, better job, cost of living is less etc. We have no plans of ever returning to Hawaii.
I love it here in Hawaii. I'm born and raised here and can't ever see myself leaving this state.
Good for you 👍
How can you afford to live there?
@@firefly9838 Rent a small apartment and don't have a lot of debt. If your enjoyment mostly comes from free things like the mountains and ocean, you'll be okay. If you want a big house and lots of stuff, it's not the place for you.
Here is another stat. Texas has lots of land to build on…….It’s no longer cheap to live there though. They are building at an alarming rate but the biggest problem of moving to Texas is you have to live in Texas……..
A lady I met in Los Angeles told me that living on an island was fun...for a while, but she gave up Hawaii to live in the open vistas of the desert near Palm Springs. A really big city for fun and entertainment drew her to LA a couple times a month. She told me that she did not miss Honolulu at all. Waves at Huntington Beach were smaller for surfing, though
Wait till she finds out California is running out of water 😂😂😂
@@suntzu94 You have not been to Mammoth or Big Bear Lake.
This is a good thing, Oahu is way over-crowded as it is. Really what needs to happen is the state must ship out all of the non-hawaiian homeless back to the west coast.
We’ll then ship ‘em right back.
You’re a moron. Real leaders solve problems; they do not offload them into others.
Yeah, ship them all to the west coast;you can even take the "Hawaiians" we have in Baltimore!
Build more tiny homes