I love how you are pushing the evolution of FPV by scientific analysis and engineering. I'm looking forward to the innovations you come up with in the future.
Don't get me wrong I like the scientific approach but in this case what is the "overall improvement" over some "normal" frame? Would 99.99% of people even notice the difference?
I would like to bring your attention to Quad66's War Pig toothpick frames which have used a similar principle to the X-cell. X-cell sits within the frame, while with the War Pig, the FC (diamond AIO) mounting points are located on thin struts linking the X in the centre of the frame, in this way the AIO is also isolated from the arm both flexing and twisting momentum
Does anybody have instructions for the 3.5" frame version? FYI mine came from CNCdrones with nothing, not even a QR code card? Is there an exploded view diagram showing HDZero freestyle 2? Has anybody published such a build video for 3.5 yet? Overall, I was disappointed to see the carbon arms were not even bevelled...
So hard to tell if this stuff is snake oil or not. I have an AOS UL5 and I dunno vibration wise it's never really been all that special as far as I can tell. I mean it's fine, flies great, but not like I could actually turn off stuff like the second dterm lowpass and gain performance, too much vibration. It's really betaflight doing all the heavy lifting in the case of the UL5, in my experience. And I've replaced literally every component on it trying to figure out why. Could just be a factor of it being a lightweight, or is the AOS stuff snake oil? I dunno! Could the two MPU6000 based FC's I tried on it just be kind of noisey? Maybe! Could it just be user error on my end? Absolutely! I wish there was an independent third party taking all the latest frames, building them with the same electronics, and doing some very specific flight routines to compare vibration performance. And then maybe tuning that build to the n-th degree to demonstrate if any of its quirks are limiting performance. Probably a build with emax eco motors and speedybee f405, the most popular components, and starting from 0 with the tune and showing step response graphs in pidtoolbox and what not. It's just when the owner of the product is the one telling us how their product is superior it makes me a little sus is all. At the same time you kind of own the field of critically analyzing these aspects of performance where nobody else bothers, which is great! Anyways, new frames look pretty cool! Maybe I'll get one... Interested in the new UL5 whenever that's released. I've always liked light setups. I've been using 3s 1100 - 1300 packs on the light setups and a higher kv motor instead of a 6s setup. Is that why my UL5 is kind of vibey? Maybe i dunno! My thought was lower voltage lower electrical noise and since it's a lightweight the increase in amp draw wouldn't be that bad or kind of non-existant, and I'm ok with giving up some of the top top end of a 6s setup. My frame can't take much more power anyways the pid loop is already starting to get unhappy with full throttle on the 3s setup. I do have a 1000uf 16v FM series Panasonic cap on board to absorb electrical noise too. HGLRC F722mini stack taken from a Rekon 6s bnf. FPVCycle 2203 2800kv motors.
@rcvg don’t use speedybee stuff there are much better fcs out there. The v3 is ‘popular’ because they are heading to Russia and the Ukraine ( I’m a bf dev and see our cloud data) they are cheap and nothing else.. and I agree as a frame designer this is different for the sake of it which is fine but I don’t see a big improvement frankly. The new gyro of choice also is tge 42688 which has less built in LPF that the m6k and frankly has a sharper feel.
This is great news. I was really waiting for this video :) Your frames always have been super simple to work on, with almost any other frame it feels like it's 80% thought through and I have to dremel myself through the rest. The long body makes it so much easier to work on, even on your already existing versions. And like mentioned on patreon I love the aluminium cage and the different anodized colors, glad you went through with it! Nice addition with that x-cell technology too. This is such a clever idea! The more classic arm design might also create more acceptance in the drone community... though personally I loved those truss structured arms ;) Damn, now I wanna build just another quad :P
you are kind of the person this community needs bro. thank you for finding solutions and that you are advising lots of electronics and parts needed for each frame build in your website. that saved my time a lot. because youtube is full of bullshit information. shall science lighten your way ;)
Nice design Chris. For those of us who have EVO frames, will the replacement parts still be available from CNC madness? Mine is only 3 months old 😕.....
I am still flying the AOS 5 03. Broke a few arms and top plate crack at screw holes. This will be the 3rd upgraded AOS 5 frame within a year! But will this new frame accommodate the DJI 04 system ? Its so hard to keep up with all these new releases....
@ChrisRosser Are the camera plates (coloured versions) going to be available separately? I am building a 3 identical drones and cncdrones just takes too long (I am the other side of the world in fairness), so am ordering from iFlight. I'd assume theirs will be black, but will want to upgrade if I can. Nice work again.
Hello Chris, I love your vidoes, you provide so much content. :+1:. Have you considered to use a motion amplification camera to visualize vibrations of FPV Drones?
I went to go buy the new frame and saw theres no options to buy spare parts. No one carries spare parts for this frame. How am i suppose to buy a frame without the option of spare arms or plates?
Just ordered this frame! Can't wait to build it out! This will be my first AOS! I order all tpu from brain 3d. Does it come with the mounting necessary for the O3 camera?
Thanks for the insights and new frame goodness 😁 The main problem is that I don't expect my 3.5 EVO to break any time soon and so will probably never benefit from this 😅 Finally some consideration for battery straps. As a new builder, I was a bit bewildered about that aspect on the 3.5 EVO. To be honest, I didn't see much from the vibration animation. The stack screw holes moved maybe a bit less relative to each other, but I had to really look for it.
love the new arm design, would love to see a slightly beefed up basher version, with slightly wider arms for even more durability, with a shortened nose with m3 screws, i'd break that too quik props in view don't bother me, 99.99% of us aren't pros, and need the durability
Center mounting the fc on the 3.5 isn’t practical unless you’re installing an analog vtx. I ordered from cncdrones and was missing one of the aft spacers that go under the standoff. 😠 Love the design ❤
Got AOS5 few weeks ago and there is carbon fault (horrible vibrations) Chris didn't respond to my second email about refund(same hardware with same pids and filters flys amazing on diferent frame) and Iflight didn't respond to my email about refund. I know that it's complicated to diagnose the issue but I build quads for years now and I CAN"T RECOMEND - ARMATAN FRAMES AND AOS FRAME...
I fly Quadmula Frames right now and they are really good But I ordered a 3.5 V5 and a 5 V6, cause I am curious Also have your motors here which are planned for a second Siren F5, so the spare ones will be added to the 5 V5 Looking forward for the new build and adventures
@@MysteryD there probably is a patented generative design algorithm that does that, remove material... there are only a few requirements for something to be able to be patented, like non trivial, not widely known in the industry and so on
A British designer is a big uptick Chris, but FFS include camera mounts/soft mounts. I don’t expect to have to pay for mounts that should be included or pay an extra £15 for a 20 cm 03 cable. Nice looking frame and not questioning the science but you’re missing the point, not everyone has a 3d printer and the market is too keen for minimal standard kit.
Those cuts are slick but they do look like they are reducing the stiffness of the frame quite a bit. I know you've modeled it, did you find that to be true?
It does reduce the stiffness of the baseplate slightly in certain directions but I compensated for that with the interlocking arms and a stiffer bottom brace plate.
Even if the frame bottom plate has reduced stiffness the reduced noise signal will still be a huge leap forward. The bottom plate has never been a weak point on aos frames. I do love that beefy bottom brace plate that’s a good move Chris!
Really interesting indeed! Thanks, Chris! 😃 I've heard soft mounting introduces some latency on Betaflight... I don't understand exactly how or why, but I imagine your design wouldn't... Is that correct? Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 And happy holidays!
Hey, super new to FPV here but I what I have read seems to suggest that the soft mounts mean that the forces applied by the motors get's dampened, the soft mounts absorb a portion of it, which would mean the stack takes a second to be "parallel" with the frame/at the same angle, I assume this would give incorrect gyro readouts and spiral from there. I could be very wrong so take it with a grain of salt, on the other side less vibrations would also mean cleaner readouts so hard to say what's best. These new frames would significantly reduce the vibrations/improper readings with-out soft mounts so I assume it's be fine to "hard mount" your stack and get better performance than soft mounts + the potential increase in longevity of the electronics
I love your frames, but I hate how you didn't try to make the arms the same across each iteration or at least between 2 successive models. It forces me to buy a whole new frame every time I brake an arm(aos 3.5).
This frame is not an easy build (revised from garbage). I bought it and it has so many problems. It doesn't come with all the screws to put it together, the screws for the arms stick up into the ESC, it doesn't come with any of the TPU stuff that all frames come with now, it doesn't come with stack bolts (I had to file my own down to fit), you have to replace the coaxial cable to the 03 unit, it feels like a $30 frame. The 3d prints on the web site don't include a GPS mount, so you will have to design your own. Also, the arm guards soft mount your motors. I have the AOS evo 5, absolutely the best drone I own. This frame is a huge step backwards. (After my first thoughts on this frame I have to add, now that I completed it. It is a good frame, but not for beginners. I had to make all my own cables to make everything reach, such as the 03-wiring harness, and relacing the 03-camera cable. I had to design all new TPU parts for everything on this build. So, you better have a 3D printer. I take back my original comment of garbage because it really is a high-quality frame, it just needs a little too much work.)
the stackmounting part of the fame is still twisting in that visualisation.... soooooo? that doesnt take away i hear good experience from the AOS frame users i know. so it's a good line of frames, but i was looking at the visual analisys and went..... mmmmmmmmmkay...
I got to say, that my aos v2 frame was absolute garbage. I had a ton of noise in the whole quad. I switched every component back to an apex and it flew normal again.
![I.N "HALLUCINATION" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/n5B5q1Hwt_U/mqdefault.jpg)
I love how you are pushing the evolution of FPV by scientific analysis and engineering. I'm looking forward to the innovations you come up with in the future.
Don't get me wrong I like the scientific approach but in this case what is the "overall improvement" over some "normal" frame? Would 99.99% of people even notice the difference?
Aos 5 v5 and 3.5 v5 both are amazing ❤
I would like to bring your attention to Quad66's War Pig toothpick frames which have used a similar principle to the X-cell. X-cell sits within the frame, while with the War Pig, the FC (diamond AIO) mounting points are located on thin struts linking the X in the centre of the frame, in this way the AIO is also isolated from the arm both flexing and twisting momentum
Can’t wait until the 7 in comes out, I’d love to sign up as a pre order if you do it!
Love what you're doing, Chris! Keep up the great work, and thanks for driving our hobby forward. Best wishes from Canada.
Thanks!
Does anybody have instructions for the 3.5" frame version? FYI mine came from CNCdrones with nothing, not even a QR code card? Is there an exploded view diagram showing HDZero freestyle 2? Has anybody published such a build video for 3.5 yet? Overall, I was disappointed to see the carbon arms were not even bevelled...
So hard to tell if this stuff is snake oil or not. I have an AOS UL5 and I dunno vibration wise it's never really been all that special as far as I can tell. I mean it's fine, flies great, but not like I could actually turn off stuff like the second dterm lowpass and gain performance, too much vibration. It's really betaflight doing all the heavy lifting in the case of the UL5, in my experience. And I've replaced literally every component on it trying to figure out why. Could just be a factor of it being a lightweight, or is the AOS stuff snake oil? I dunno! Could the two MPU6000 based FC's I tried on it just be kind of noisey? Maybe! Could it just be user error on my end? Absolutely!
I wish there was an independent third party taking all the latest frames, building them with the same electronics, and doing some very specific flight routines to compare vibration performance. And then maybe tuning that build to the n-th degree to demonstrate if any of its quirks are limiting performance. Probably a build with emax eco motors and speedybee f405, the most popular components, and starting from 0 with the tune and showing step response graphs in pidtoolbox and what not.
It's just when the owner of the product is the one telling us how their product is superior it makes me a little sus is all. At the same time you kind of own the field of critically analyzing these aspects of performance where nobody else bothers, which is great!
Anyways, new frames look pretty cool! Maybe I'll get one... Interested in the new UL5 whenever that's released. I've always liked light setups. I've been using 3s 1100 - 1300 packs on the light setups and a higher kv motor instead of a 6s setup. Is that why my UL5 is kind of vibey? Maybe i dunno! My thought was lower voltage lower electrical noise and since it's a lightweight the increase in amp draw wouldn't be that bad or kind of non-existant, and I'm ok with giving up some of the top top end of a 6s setup. My frame can't take much more power anyways the pid loop is already starting to get unhappy with full throttle on the 3s setup. I do have a 1000uf 16v FM series Panasonic cap on board to absorb electrical noise too. HGLRC F722mini stack taken from a Rekon 6s bnf. FPVCycle 2203 2800kv motors.
its snake oil
why has he gone back to normal arms after all his "analysis"
Well the scientific approach is on point but the thing is whether you can feel it (or filter it out) or not.
@@MrKillerHobbesso that he can make a v6 version soon with x-cell AND the "better" arms lol
@rcvg don’t use speedybee stuff there are much better fcs out there. The v3 is ‘popular’ because they are heading to Russia and the Ukraine ( I’m a bf dev and see our cloud data) they are cheap and nothing else.. and I agree as a frame designer this is different for the sake of it which is fine but I don’t see a big improvement frankly. The new gyro of choice also is tge 42688 which has less built in LPF that the m6k and frankly has a sharper feel.
What about the AOS 5.5? When will that one come?
This is great news. I was really waiting for this video :)
Your frames always have been super simple to work on, with almost any other frame it feels like it's 80% thought through and I have to dremel myself through the rest.
The long body makes it so much easier to work on, even on your already existing versions. And like mentioned on patreon I love the aluminium cage and the different anodized colors, glad you went through with it!
Nice addition with that x-cell technology too. This is such a clever idea! The more classic arm design might also create more acceptance in the drone community... though personally I loved those truss structured arms ;)
Damn, now I wanna build just another quad :P
you are kind of the person this community needs bro. thank you for finding solutions and that you are advising lots of electronics and parts needed for each frame build in your website. that saved my time a lot. because youtube is full of bullshit information. shall science lighten your way ;)
Are you publishing a tune for the frame?
I'm definitely going to get one... Or more!!
Amazing job! 🎉
If you launch an ul7 with this design feature I will 1000% buy it
Nice design Chris. For those of us who have EVO frames, will the replacement parts still be available from CNC madness? Mine is only 3 months old 😕.....
Don't. Their carbons break easily.
Congratulation Chris 👍🏻
I am still flying the AOS 5 03. Broke a few arms and top plate crack at screw holes.
This will be the 3rd upgraded AOS 5 frame within a year!
But will this new frame accommodate the DJI 04 system ?
Its so hard to keep up with all these new releases....
The camera plate is swappable... Let's see which size the electronics of the upcoming DJI System will have
I just purchased the AOS 3.5 and the V5, Hope to build soon.
Any reviews or launch of the racing frame AOS 5R V5?
wow, magic!
is there any replacement kit for the old frame? or we just replace the whole frame?
HYPE FOR THE T3 V5
Can we talk about Zipline props with wishbones?
What locks the arms into place?....1 screw each?
Are you planning to release a 6”? That would be the switch spot, especially for propellers availability
hey just wanted to build a 3.5 annyways, perfect timing.
is it realy 53g ?
Chris are you going to share a dedicated preset for the V5?
There won't be a 5,5 or 6" version coming? :O
@ChrisRosser Are the camera plates (coloured versions) going to be available separately? I am building a 3 identical drones and cncdrones just takes too long (I am the other side of the world in fairness), so am ordering from iFlight. I'd assume theirs will be black, but will want to upgrade if I can. Nice work again.
When is the 7 inch version going to be released. My money is waiting
the arms for the aos 5R V5 are the same for the first version of the 5R?
Hello Chris, I love your vidoes, you provide so much content. :+1:. Have you considered to use a motion amplification camera to visualize vibrations of FPV Drones?
How are you recording the motor movements?
Is there a reason the Cine80 is not also sold at cncframes? I like to order all my frames from them, also when T5? 😎
congrats.
Why ditch the A frame arms?
i would really like to hear chris on that
you can also see that the frame resonance is now lower at about 190hz instead of 230hz. i would guess the a frame offers also enhanced strength
16.15 in the video...
Ouch. Just tuday ordered AOS 5 from my local store and it was already dispatched.
EVO? No worries mate. Awesome frame.
You will be glad you didn't get this one. The EVO is so much better. I got both, and this new one sucks balls
Hello Chris, very impressive analysis and solution ! What is the tool you are using to plot the vibration map ? Thanks in advance.
I went to go buy the new frame and saw theres no options to buy spare parts. No one carries spare parts for this frame. How am i suppose to buy a frame without the option of spare arms or plates?
I’m ready for a new 7” with this design, looking to build or buy a BNF next year.
Just ordered this frame! Can't wait to build it out! This will be my first AOS! I order all tpu from brain 3d. Does it come with the mounting necessary for the O3 camera?
There is bad 50-55hz frame resonances at aos 3.5 v5. How can it be fixed?
This is typically due to flexible 3D printed parts such as VTX antennas. Drop me an email if you're still having issues.
I really like this frame, but it's unfortunate this frame isn't available in India.
Thanks for the insights and new frame goodness 😁 The main problem is that I don't expect my 3.5 EVO to break any time soon and so will probably never benefit from this 😅
Finally some consideration for battery straps. As a new builder, I was a bit bewildered about that aspect on the 3.5 EVO.
To be honest, I didn't see much from the vibration animation. The stack screw holes moved maybe a bit less relative to each other, but I had to really look for it.
A true sales person
Which one is the best Iflight Aos V5 versus geprc deadcat mark 5 O3 pro?
The AOS has way better resonance and frame characteristics. IFlight is also well known for their reliable electronics. I’d go with that. 😊
Waiting for a 7" :)
will the AOS 7 be upgraded to V5 during the first quarter of 2024?
Sorry if I missed this but is the stack supposed to be hard mounted with this new design?
Hey Chris. With the AOS 4 , will the stack be in the middle?
will you have presets for betaflight? i ordered my frame so need them soon
Is this a goodbye to AOS 5.5 series?
Also, waiting for the release of AOS 10"
I was going to message you about doing a 10” version of your UL7. I love the UL7, but I want a bigger version.
Will you be licensing this Patent?
love the new arm design, would love to see a slightly beefed up basher version, with slightly wider arms for even more durability, with a shortened nose with m3 screws, i'd break that too quik props in view don't bother me, 99.99% of us aren't pros, and need the durability
Bliksem boet, dit is nou n donnerse goeie idee gewees. mooi man.
what happend with the other arms?
What happened to the trust design that was so important. It looks like an apex and has the flip switch.
Center mounting the fc on the 3.5 isn’t practical unless you’re installing an analog vtx. I ordered from cncdrones and was missing one of the aft spacers that go under the standoff. 😠
Love the design ❤
Why not soft mount motors and no filters :)
Because soft mounting motors offers almost no benefit, but introduces a bunch of issues. Soft mounting was a fad that was abandoned years ago.
I will ask JB and JonnyFpv to become lazy;))
Never, ever mention soft mounting motors ever again, pls.
@@nickvledder i will now... just for spite :))
You need filters… I don’t think people appreciate just how much lifting the dynamic and Rpm filters do in BF
Will wait for UL10 and cine80
Got AOS5 few weeks ago and there is carbon fault (horrible vibrations) Chris didn't respond to my second email about refund(same hardware with same pids and filters flys amazing on diferent frame) and Iflight didn't respond to my email about refund. I know that it's complicated to diagnose the issue but I build quads for years now and I CAN"T RECOMEND - ARMATAN FRAMES AND AOS FRAME...
Is it just me, or is Chris talking extra fast? Sped up video?
AOS LR5 V5 ???
I fly Quadmula Frames right now and they are really good
But I ordered a 3.5 V5 and a 5 V6, cause I am curious
Also have your motors here which are planned for a second Siren F5, so the spare ones will be added to the 5 V5
Looking forward for the new build and adventures
That will be an awsome setup. I bet the 5236 props on his motors on this new frame are the cats azz
Still no 4th screw for motors. Disapointed 😞
what would a frame designer need to do to use your x-cell concept? do you licence it? have you decided on a rate you would take?
You can't patent the removal of material from something. Go ahead and copy it. "patent pending" but wont ever go through.
@@MysteryD there probably is a patented generative design algorithm that does that, remove material...
there are only a few requirements for something to be able to be patented, like non trivial, not widely known in the industry and so on
@@MysteryDyou can patent a manufacturing technique...
A British designer is a big uptick Chris, but FFS include camera mounts/soft mounts. I don’t expect to have to pay for mounts that should be included or pay an extra £15 for a 20 cm 03 cable. Nice looking frame and not questioning the science but you’re missing the point, not everyone has a 3d printer and the market is too keen for minimal standard kit.
Those cuts are slick but they do look like they are reducing the stiffness of the frame quite a bit. I know you've modeled it, did you find that to be true?
It does reduce the stiffness of the baseplate slightly in certain directions but I compensated for that with the interlocking arms and a stiffer bottom brace plate.
Even if the frame bottom plate has reduced stiffness the reduced noise signal will still be a huge leap forward. The bottom plate has never been a weak point on aos frames.
I do love that beefy bottom brace plate that’s a good move Chris!
I hope iFlight will be making your new frames and BNF's too.
They have these new frames already
Really interesting indeed! Thanks, Chris! 😃
I've heard soft mounting introduces some latency on Betaflight... I don't understand exactly how or why, but I imagine your design wouldn't... Is that correct?
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy holidays!
Hey, super new to FPV here but I what I have read seems to suggest that the soft mounts mean that the forces applied by the motors get's dampened, the soft mounts absorb a portion of it, which would mean the stack takes a second to be "parallel" with the frame/at the same angle, I assume this would give incorrect gyro readouts and spiral from there. I could be very wrong so take it with a grain of salt, on the other side less vibrations would also mean cleaner readouts so hard to say what's best.
These new frames would significantly reduce the vibrations/improper readings with-out soft mounts so I assume it's be fine to "hard mount" your stack and get better performance than soft mounts + the potential increase in longevity of the electronics
@@michealjohnson7245 Yeap, that's exactly it! 😃
I just don't know if that's correct, but I hope it is! It would be a huge improvement for our quads!
I would love a light (not ultra light) AOS3.5. Something between 40g and 50g
interesting; be nice to compare the AOS 7 frame mod
Keep wondering why the frame has spreadsheets in it now :D
I love your frames, but I hate how you didn't try to make the arms the same across each iteration or at least between 2 successive models. It forces me to buy a whole new frame every time I brake an arm(aos 3.5).
Combined with Foxeer motors could make a potent quadcopter!
so no aos 5.5 v5
Please release 10" :(
This frame is not an easy build (revised from garbage). I bought it and it has so many problems. It doesn't come with all the screws to put it together, the screws for the arms stick up into the ESC, it doesn't come with any of the TPU stuff that all frames come with now, it doesn't come with stack bolts (I had to file my own down to fit), you have to replace the coaxial cable to the 03 unit, it feels like a $30 frame. The 3d prints on the web site don't include a GPS mount, so you will have to design your own. Also, the arm guards soft mount your motors. I have the AOS evo 5, absolutely the best drone I own. This frame is a huge step backwards.
(After my first thoughts on this frame I have to add, now that I completed it. It is a good frame, but not for beginners. I had to make all my own cables to make everything reach, such as the 03-wiring harness, and relacing the 03-camera cable. I had to design all new TPU parts for everything on this build. So, you better have a 3D printer. I take back my original comment of garbage because it really is a high-quality frame, it just needs a little too much work.)
Mannn my Aos 5 V5 broke first flight wtffff
wait more 2 months for the new best ever v3.7 evo apex x r........kidding but...
the stackmounting part of the fame is still twisting in that visualisation.... soooooo?
that doesnt take away i hear good experience from the AOS frame users i know.
so it's a good line of frames, but i was looking at the visual analisys and went..... mmmmmmmmmkay...
I got to say, that my aos v2 frame was absolute garbage. I had a ton of noise in the whole quad. I switched every component back to an apex and it flew normal again.
I wonder if chinese frame designers will copy this vibration isolation
Don’t wonder, they are Chinese for a reason so they will copy… But, stay fair, buy from the manufacturer of the original, they deserve your support.
@@nickvledder they deserve the support, but they also should think how to get the prices down and availability high 😉
ouch,,,the arms look skinny , hopefully not easy to breaks on 3rd crash
They don’t have the best track record but most of us performance snobs a don’t crash a lot.
Center of mass is dependable of the batery mount horizontal or vertical... so dead cat is good. Simetrical not always works
Next level anti-vibration technology...😂😂😂
Saranno anche efficienti, performanti e quello che ti pare… ma so proprio brutti😅
Wow - I hope you slow your releases down a bit, now. Also, BNFs are kind of a dangerous thing - bad guys (or just complete idiots) can get them.