@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601Is Ratha just there for the state. If he is a fair judge why he is not even read the law which favor the defense. Ratha is bias
Judge Ratha is the most honest and tranparent judgevery lenient but the problem is he does not like people who are not competent, and trying to win at all costs.
Ratha is tired and desperate to leave this case, hence the behavior. If indeed he took the bribe, it's not easy to just drop the case but if he's removed or fired, he'll then use that as an excuse
'Minor issue' modimo wame but when he is told he is colluding wa bókôlla how can he allow this nonsens🚮🚩🤮Thank you Mnisi for reminding him what he always say ka jp🔥💐
@zodwadlamini4213 ufana nani .You guys are also biased over nkabis yoou don't even know .Step back and say what if vele Kelly hired them as the state alleges instead of defending them like you knew where they were when Senzo died .You should've smelled a rat when they started changing story 56 times .Allegedly
But the 5 judges said an accused person should be shown every scintilla of information.... this actually supports what the defense but Judge is misinterpreting it. And then he saw that it is actually supporting the defence then he said Sibanda must stop reading 😅 Ayi akuhambanga kahle.
@@dikeledihlabangane3854 I actually went and read the case law quoted by the judge, he was right the law says the accused is not entitled to see everything. He is saying the original is irrelevant but I differ because the witness is in court so his entries are important since the state is just extracting a small portion , its only fair to ask for the original to see the full context. This law is talking about things that are immaterial
@@Kgosietsile83 vale have you notice when adv Mnisi object to copy without original baloyi was whispering and sibanda was chewing water then fakazile judge come up with stupid law sister instead of asking baloyi yoh this case shem
Lol, true 😂, reminds me of cooked bank statements, especially Ntanzi's which had the number of his girlfriend, and Ramosepele pointed it out to the state, then Vodacom Section 205 PDF vs. State edited excel version with downloads, Sibanda was also thrown under the bus. Baloyi uKleva waseKasi loya.
Thats why this defence think they will win this. Its because of these gossipers who even dispute what tumelo zandi and mthoko say as if they were there. They busy swearing at and calling Advocate Baloi names for doing his job
Mshololo mind your language,you need to understand that you are a defence ,state will always say what you don't want to hear, that's how it's,but try to be professional 🤔
All I'm saying about this case. A failure by the state to mount sufficient evidence for a conviction at the close of its case, gifts the accused the opportunity to escape having to be put on their defence. This gift takes the form of a procedural device in the Criminal Procedure Act,1 namely section 174, which provides: "If, at the close of the case for the prosecution at any trial, the court is of the opinion that there is no evidence that the accused committed the offence referred to in the charge or any offence of which he may be convicted on the charge, it may return a verdict of not guilty."
The court was not well organized today because of the state..Advocates were definitely ambushed but fortunately they stood their ground for unfairness procedures..
Guys kukhona othuka inhlamba kwi comment why ebiza Adv Baloi 'ngenja?' That u donot agree with a person does not mean kth u must insult him or her, hawuu Guys nathi let's b professional.
Team defence seem to have forgotten that Mngomezulu presented a copy of Sifiso's affidavit here and he was allowed to use it. I dont recall him bringing the original as he promised to do so. If he did bring the original then I must have not tuned that day. Just reminding team defence since now it is wrong now that it is the state 🤔🤔🤔
Do you remember the statement of one particular police officer that was brought by Baloyi commissioned by Johan or Johannesburg? When defense try to challenge it Ratha did the same thing he did today😂😂😂😂
@@nicholasniclas7654yes he is coming. but when mngonezulu presented that document the state challenged it. They asked for an original. And that thing was not even commisioned. Mngomezulu claimed that the original will come commissioned
Which case,the heat or the robbery gone wrong case? Gininda said it on his affidavit that what ever happened was done with a revolver but the court is talking about a 9mm,Gininda said Kelly's called accuse 5 but in court we heard different things from Pinky and Styne,people in the house have their own descriptions of the intruders and the police have theirs, (dread locks that run up to the neck(like Zamokuhle Mbatha) versus the ponytail that was in Mncube in 2014
Bayamzonda lo Mr Mncube, batate igun yake baplanta i evidence bati ebantwini zeniti kungene umntu onamehllo amakhulu wati futsek money cellphone.Baze bafumana igun yake batata laevidence ka2014 babeyi plante ngo2014 for uyisebenzisa ngo2020, babhatala ama witness a more than 140 uba makacoke. Yhoooooo ku. Corrupt eS. A
@@NtombikayiseDanisa wake wayibonaphi wena imbumbulu engena emntwini ngaphambili iyophuma ngemva ingenayo neDNA or igazi lalomntu ibingene kuye? Hay shem sisenjeni 💔
No copies in court really the state is taking chances
This case is a disaster we've ever seen in sata aforika, it full of manipulation and corruption
ratha always read the law that always favour the state
Why the defence can't quote too what favours their nkabis
@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601It's not judge v defence though, it's state v defence so your comment is dumb.
@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601Is Ratha just there for the state. If he is a fair judge why he is not even read the law which favor the defense. Ratha is bias
@@tshililomelvinnekhavhambe3601so you agree about Ratha being on the side of the state😂😂😂
@everbote7858 shame he can't even pretent he is obvious
Judge Ratha is the most honest and tranparent judgevery lenient but the problem is he does not like people who are not competent, and trying to win at all costs.
Ratha is most corrupt and biased judge ever
Ratha is the one who is trying by all means to help the state to win this case by always coming with already prepared judgements
@@ButifransMokoenaDelulu this one 😂😂😂
Sarcasm?
Yes
Silokhu siphinda into eyodwa😂😂😂😂😂😂 kusazolandwa I police station yonke
😂😂😂eish
Kogcina kuphele imali mangabe bayathengwa ofakazi
Askr the defense is in denial or they trying to prove something that doesn't exist. Mangena told them that he asked for opinion but they want to force
Ratha is tired and desperate to leave this case, hence the behavior. If indeed he took the bribe, it's not easy to just drop the case but if he's removed or fired, he'll then use that as an excuse
Advocate Moshololo Ratha is coming with a big book for you tomorrow watch and see
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I was thinking that exactly,as he let it slide for now.😂😂😂
Ratha doesn't just forgive and forget😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
'Minor issue' modimo wame but when he is told he is colluding wa bókôlla how can he allow this nonsens🚮🚩🤮Thank you Mnisi for reminding him what he always say ka jp🔥💐
We are not siding with accused this judge he’s something else very rude and one sided
Sithule siyabuka I judge elikhohlakel
@zodwadlamini4213 ufana nani .You guys are also biased over nkabis yoou don't even know .Step back and say what if vele Kelly hired them as the state alleges instead of defending them like you knew where they were when Senzo died .You should've smelled a rat when they started changing story 56 times .Allegedly
@@Chibvunzaso true
Lelijaji iqaba elifundile
But the 5 judges said an accused person should be shown every scintilla of information.... this actually supports what the defense but Judge is misinterpreting it. And then he saw that it is actually supporting the defence then he said Sibanda must stop reading 😅 Ayi akuhambanga kahle.
Udle imali e rong lomkhulu
So U mean the defense doesn't understand because they could have objected based on the five judges
@@dikeledihlabangane3854 yes most of the time the defense lets things go. Either they didn't understand or are avoiding arguing with him.
@@dikeledihlabangane3854 I actually went and read the case law quoted by the judge, he was right the law says the accused is not entitled to see everything. He is saying the original is irrelevant but I differ because the witness is in court so his entries are important since the state is just extracting a small portion , its only fair to ask for the original to see the full context. This law is talking about things that are immaterial
When you see Baloyi not leading witness isn't make sure
@@Kgosietsile83 vale have you notice when adv Mnisi object to copy without original baloyi was whispering and sibanda was chewing water then fakazile judge come up with stupid law sister instead of asking baloyi yoh this case shem
Lol, true 😂, reminds me of cooked bank statements, especially Ntanzi's which had the number of his girlfriend, and Ramosepele pointed it out to the state, then Vodacom Section 205 PDF vs. State edited excel version with downloads, Sibanda was also thrown under the bus. Baloyi uKleva waseKasi loya.
This judge URatha noBaloyi noSibanda ba corrupt yoooh...
What is informing what you are saying
Too much
Ratha reactions is appalling. This case has been treated like a tarven is the true sence if the word.😢
Why Adv Mnisi is asking whaether the witness did ask why Colonel Mngena fire 8 bullets. This question should b directed to Mangena.
Uyinja
He already asked Mangena
Mshololo has fallen.
She started the case strong, now she’s weak.
How so?
Who’s that witness?
We dealing with copies within copies 😂😂😂
Are they delaying this case so that more witnesses died? Or they cannot find the killer or killers.
Waze walidina ijaji we Mshololo🤣🤣🤣🤣
Blue tick Judge
Abanye la selokhu laqala icala are busy with personally attacking and insulting the Judge, why vele? Is it because u are siding with the accused?
Inkinga ukuthi you're dump to analyze the truth that's why you commenting like this I feel pity for you!!
Thats why this defence think they will win this. Its because of these gossipers who even dispute what tumelo zandi and mthoko say as if they were there. They busy swearing at and calling Advocate Baloi names for doing his job
@@Nelani895 another school drop out exposing himself in public
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 niyagula shame
@@Nelani895yea
Grobbler thinks she is high and mighty. Yet she is the one who exposed the rrigulariities of that department.
😂😂😂 uvele wahlakaza i cms counting ka Smuggler mangena😂😂
Mshololo mind your language,you need to understand that you are a defence ,state will always say what you don't want to hear, that's how it's,but try to be professional 🤔
what is wrong with this Judge
Where are we going with this witnesses 😮😮??
We are going where ratha will say 4 experts told the court same thing where azothi akagwebeli esakeni
😂😂😂😂😂
All I'm saying about this case.
A failure by the state to mount sufficient evidence for a conviction at the close of its case, gifts the accused the opportunity to escape having to be put on their defence. This gift takes the form of a procedural device in the Criminal Procedure Act,1 namely section 174, which provides:
"If, at the close of the case for the prosecution at any trial, the court is of the opinion that there is no evidence that the accused committed the offence referred to in the charge or any offence of which he may be convicted on the charge, it may return a verdict of not guilty."
"shouting wont help you"ratha ke Star
Yet he shouts and throws hands
@@Tyme-hy4wv because the defence team just argue without facts
"Ratha ke star"...Star sa ko kae pila pila??🤔🤔Nna ke bona ...Ratha e le "letlapa"🙄
@@luulumogotsi7500 Ratha quotes the law
@@Chibvunzahe can quote the law undisputed but that suits him, not the entirety of it.
Can the eye witness raise her voice
Eye witness?
@@Ntokozo-rr7qi kuphi khona? not in ratha's court he will make a ruling fast
The court was not well organized today because of the state..Advocates were definitely ambushed but fortunately they stood their ground for unfairness procedures..
Guys kukhona othuka inhlamba kwi comment why ebiza Adv Baloi 'ngenja?' That u donot agree with a person does not mean kth u must insult him or her, hawuu Guys nathi let's b professional.
The question is,Is the state professional and why are you one sided?
Uyinja nawe
@MbongeleniDludla shame uRatha wakho ungamasibha uyinja hambani nofa naye fuseng 😂😂😂 Ratha Baloyi izinja anazimbha abantu
@@user-ke5us7gq8o usijwayela kabi lona
Ingakufaka engingeni lento oyishoyo phawula ungathukani
Thi judge is bullying the defence...always speak for the witness. Woow kwaze kwanzima.
This judge is listening to the witness, the state and the defense then judgement will follow after listening to all parties
My interpretor is back, hay la msangano ebelapha 😂
Mthathe Mshololo theme to jp uratha.weldone Msholol❤❤❤
What happened to the silver bullet found at the scene because 9mm gun doesn't have silver bullet
Aiiii we honestly miss judge sluthu, ha ele judge soft fingers ene re sharp shame
@@abutilesego2u59 😁😁😁 are they soft or squashed?
We are not in favour of the accused but why the 5 people who were in the house that day bangabizwa coz they are the ones need to be prosecuted
How judge Ratha can be sure that the fire arm was not changed or swapped what was the reason of breaking the seal
Baloyi and Ratha are nonsense.....
The state seems as if is not fair and they always talking lies to the defence
Team defence seem to have forgotten that Mngomezulu presented a copy of Sifiso's affidavit here and he was allowed to use it. I dont recall him bringing the original as he promised to do so. If he did bring the original then I must have not tuned that day. Just reminding team defence since now it is wrong now that it is the state 🤔🤔🤔
Don't lie it was tĥe original
Do you remember the statement of one particular police officer that was brought by Baloyi commissioned by Johan or Johannesburg?
When defense try to challenge it Ratha did the same thing he did today😂😂😂😂
On record because Sifiso is coming
@@Mbali-ho6bw what do you mean? He did it. Just because you missed it does not mean it didnt happen
@@nicholasniclas7654yes he is coming.
but when mngonezulu presented that document the state challenged it. They asked for an original. And that thing was not even commisioned. Mngomezulu claimed that the original will come commissioned
Ratha uyisidina yazi ngiyakuzonda shame
This judge want Teffo
I wonder ramathatha how he sleep at night.usathane lobaba
So mthakathi said it doesnt matter?Jesus
Evasive Evasive Evasive to the core!!!!
Ratha ate the rong money 😂😂😂
Ppl where are you
Nna lea mmakatsa bathing!LA dulela go nyatsa moahlodi LA patella ke go theeletsa taba!I'm deeply disappointed in you guys (play ball not the man)
Umlom walenj ewu Baloyi
Lol, now no original as expected. Rahtha & Baloi
Izinkabi r going down stru
If it was 1 of the defence baloyi was gonna object saying eeh eeeh my leaneď coleguè is taking 2nd bitè mxm
Mnisi mara😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
state has a case they asking same questions 😮
The job of the defence is to discredit the state not to establish their own case. State must prove beyond reasonable doubts domi
What a circus
Which case,the heat or the robbery gone wrong case?
Gininda said it on his affidavit that what ever happened was done with a revolver but the court is talking about a 9mm,Gininda said Kelly's called accuse 5 but in court we heard different things from Pinky and Styne,people in the house have their own descriptions of the intruders and the police have theirs, (dread locks that run up to the neck(like Zamokuhle Mbatha) versus the ponytail that was in Mncube in 2014
Bayamzonda lo Mr Mncube, batate igun yake baplanta i evidence bati ebantwini zeniti kungene umntu onamehllo amakhulu wati futsek money cellphone.Baze bafumana igun yake batata laevidence ka2014 babeyi plante ngo2014 for uyisebenzisa ngo2020, babhatala ama witness a more than 140 uba makacoke. Yhoooooo ku. Corrupt eS. A
@@NtombikayiseDanisa wake wayibonaphi wena imbumbulu engena emntwini ngaphambili iyophuma ngemva ingenayo neDNA or igazi lalomntu ibingene kuye?
Hay shem sisenjeni 💔
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Nxaaa
4:08:12 this guy really sounds like he's reading from something.
31:46 Adv Mnisi warned the State
1:53:46 too many small issues and condoned by the Court