Another short answer: No! It always depends on your own creativity - Expensive gear also can sound like shit if you do not have any clue about what you´re doing. Also, cheap gear can sound fantastic if you know what you do.
@@ropeburn6684 Thanks for the answer, but until now i figured all out and have a super dope setup where i can trigger every synt with the turn of a knob and then control it :)
Because the Vermona has no ability to save patches and also no sequencer I often end up with very organic evolving rhythms. Love the Multi channel you can pull all kinds of sounds out of the bag using it.
Vermona is the king of drum machines and I've had A LOT of them, even though it really does depend on taste. It also requires a chain of goodies for it to flourish. I have a Cirklon to sequence the DRM and I pass it through the Iotine Core, Eq's and some VCA comps. Sometimes I'm sending the drm beats into the modular and mangling them from there. Endless opportunities when you have a big chain.
Sounds great! Upload a video of it. When I have a DRM eventually, I will use Deluge or Push 3 to sequence it. They are leaving it open to the users choice. PerFourMer is also nice
for the amount of cash and space required for all that outboard gear, it is less expensive and more convenient to get an Elektron Rytm or Erica Synths Perkons! Plus the hands on pads are better as Vermona just has knobs and no pads or effects.
This is great for showing what you pay for and the differences in work flow. That said, it doesn't really answer the question posed by the title. It would've been nice to have more of a head to head for detailed sound comparison. Like: kicks across machines, snares, etc..
Effects and mixing count the most. Example- I put my cheap $100 Korg Volca beats into my Elektron Analog Heat and it makes huge difference! Even the expensive gear needs lots of compression, effects and distortion to sound crunchy!
i have a drum brute impact for analog drum tones along with my tr8s. i went into a studio on Saturday where they have a vermona. the vermona is so so so much better sounding than the impact. It really sounds great.
Dude the DRM 1 is a beast. I’ve owned many drum machines. And the quality of sound and build…. There’s nothing really like it. It’s only a G too… not to expensive
The sound is bigger with the Alpha Base. Even with the samples on the VCA analog compared to the analog channels on the DRM... it’s obvious. So yeah, we hear a difference clearly 😉
Jomox has a great kick and a lot of possibilities. As an all-in-one, one-stop house machine the AB is bangin. However, I sold mine at a loss. Why? [a] It is midi-greedy: you basically need to price-in a midi filter if you have other midi channels running, [2] Jomox firmware is neither timely nor consistent, [3] I felt that there was some value to decoupling drum synth and sequencer. That said, I don't think I ever full got into its sequencer because the Jomox workflow didn't gel for me. A frickin' tank, tho. The new AB, and midi filter comes to ~$1800 + $250 = $2050. A used, original Tanzbar, a used Pyramid sequencer, and a new DRM1 MKIV sets you back $950 + $600 + $750 = $2300.
@@TheFlippertube It's fun to see how experiences vary from user to user. Personally I think on the contrary than Alpha Base is not limited to house or techno, I'm currently working on breakbeat sequences with my personal samples loaded in, and it grooves super tight. The sequencer is very efficient and brings a groove of madness that we do not find so easily on a Tanzbar. I find it´s a shame to mention only the kick because this machine can go very far with its hybrid channels and turn into a real mono synth, not to mention the mbrane and the fm synth which are very versatile. The AB is greedy in midi because it has 11 midi channels separated by instrument, but it also gives the possibility of controlling all its parameters by sequencing it on a Cirklon for example :). I have not encountered any MIDI bug and therefore do not currently use a midi filter. Same for the OS : no serious crash in use. I think it's a sound design instrument that requires works before starting to be enjoyed, it's also quite close to a groovebox (I’m thinking in particular of the spectralis).
@@ChromosomeSyndicate I personally don't want any of those. If I was gonna buy an analogies drum I'd go with something by AVP such as the ritmobox or adsr7. Never been much for Roland products and I'm not trying to sound like everyone else with cliche gear. To many unique quality pieces of gear out there to b just follow what everyone else always uses. Only old school drum is sirens money on its a TR-707
@@Decoy303 a tr707 i had many but i don't understand what so special is on it . No pitch no decay settings no nuance ..... just a plastic pcm plop drum in a white box .
The volca drum would have been the better pick from that series imo, its a drum synth and very adjustable soundwise. Whereas the v beats is much less adjustable. Im not saying it would fare any better against the others here but it does seem to be the more preferred drum machine of the volca series.
The Alpha Base is incredible. I tested it when it first came out and in the almost 40 years I have been making music I have never heard a drum machine with this much punch. It truly is the ultimate alpha.
Yeah yeah the sound, but what about durability, practicability, precision, or workflow? Reparability, quality of knobs or of power supply... yeah with the same components you can make it sound the same way, but is it all that counts for a producer or a live performer? a gadget can sound good on fixed setting, but it stays a gadget...
i hate to admit it the alpha base kicks over em all 100x .dont buy jomox unless you got the money to buy 3 of them at once for redundency . they dont last. and are always eventualy discontinued making that incredable un dupilcatble sound gone. you wont want to produce anymore cause everyting else sounds thin and reedy compared to jomox EVERYTHING.my sunsyn broke then a yearish later the x base 999. jurgen never returned any of my emails.:( and to thish day i refuse to produce with out the sunsyn and x base 999 cause all other gear sounds so thin and reedy now. :(........
sunsyn was biggest failed hype ever . buggy , missing promised features , unreliable hw that can't be fixed . didn't even sound good . everything sounded unmusical not in a good way . in an annoying on the edge of broken way. sold and never bought jomox ever again .
All of this is a limited or overpriced piece of gear, listen to all of this and own some, the result is here: take digitakt, or analog rytm, or some rd8 or rd9, but never Arturia - they can't do drummashines, the impact or drumbrute is a total crap
“Overpriced” is very subjective and the true price is whatever the market is willing to pay. That being said, RD-8 or RD-9 and then a few hundred dollars of high quality processors/effects will probably sound better for most usages than, say, the Vermona on a dry signal (for about the same total cost).
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11:18 that beat is sick
Thanks Emmanuel!
Short answer... yes.
😂😂😂
Another short answer: No! It always depends on your own creativity - Expensive gear also can sound like shit if you do not have any clue about what you´re doing. Also, cheap gear can sound fantastic if you know what you do.
Absolutely love the DRM 1, raw, BIG and highly tweak able sound, coupled with a Digitakt, its fun to play live.
Do you know if it is possible to trigger the drm1 with a 1010music blackbox?
@@thepiratelol Yes, of course. The Blackbox has Midi out, so you can sequence the DRM1 with it, just like any other synthesizer.
@@ropeburn6684 Thanks for the answer, but until now i figured all out and have a super dope setup where i can trigger every synt with the turn of a knob and then control it :)
Because the Vermona has no ability to save patches and also no sequencer I often end up with very organic evolving rhythms. Love the Multi channel you can pull all kinds of sounds out of the bag using it.
Vermona is the king of drum machines and I've had A LOT of them, even though it really does depend on taste. It also requires a chain of goodies for it to flourish. I have a Cirklon to sequence the DRM and I pass it through the Iotine Core, Eq's and some VCA comps. Sometimes I'm sending the drm beats into the modular and mangling them from there. Endless opportunities when you have a big chain.
tooo bongy plastiky to me. my opinion though. owned the drm1 mk3 a long time ago.
Sounds great! Upload a video of it. When I have a DRM eventually, I will use Deluge or Push 3 to sequence it. They are leaving it open to the users choice. PerFourMer is also nice
I take back the statement, Vermona is great, but Alpha Base is on another level.
for the amount of cash and space required for all that outboard gear, it is less expensive and more convenient to get an Elektron Rytm or Erica Synths Perkons! Plus the hands on pads are better as Vermona just has knobs and no pads or effects.
yup Jomox bass drum is the king@@MrDddrrrggg
This is great for showing what you pay for and the differences in work flow.
That said, it doesn't really answer the question posed by the title. It would've been nice to have more of a head to head for detailed sound comparison. Like: kicks across machines, snares, etc..
Nice arrangement on the alpha base. Had me going!!! ❤
I'm just now realizing that Alpha Base reverb is GREAT
Effects and mixing count the most. Example- I put my cheap $100 Korg Volca beats into my Elektron Analog Heat and it makes huge difference! Even the expensive gear needs lots of compression, effects and distortion to sound crunchy!
1000%
Excellent video man! 💯
Thanks Kyle - we're glad you enjoyed!
i have a drum brute impact for analog drum tones along with my tr8s. i went into a studio on Saturday where they have a vermona. the vermona is so so so much better sounding than the impact. It really sounds great.
Fun fact the Korg is missing C78 hence no snare. Add 100nF and you are good to go.
Vermona wins for these particular demos! (Jomox might stand out other times.) Next, Ritm, Tempest!
The Vermona is certainly pretty hefty in its sound!
i think jomox is the best here, better headroom and more punchy sounds, but Vermona is quite good also, the price difference is huge :D
4:40 Volca Beats could be a budget CR78 it occurs to me! Probably u want the Volca Kick or Drumlogue now
DRM 1 for me!!!
where Rytm tho
They don’t own one so.
It’s because if that damn ‘learning curve’ 😂
Any reason you don't stock Elektron?
really great work on the drm!
Thanks Dominic!
Not one word about the Korg Doncamatic DA-20, the first real commercial rhythm box realised and sold back in 1962.
Dude the DRM 1 is a beast. I’ve owned many drum machines. And the quality of sound and build…. There’s nothing really like it. It’s only a G too… not to expensive
what a great video!
Great vid
The sound is bigger with the Alpha Base. Even with the samples on the VCA analog compared to the analog channels on the DRM... it’s obvious.
So yeah, we hear a difference clearly 😉
It certainly is beefy...
Jomox has a great kick and a lot of possibilities. As an all-in-one, one-stop house machine the AB is bangin. However, I sold mine at a loss. Why? [a] It is midi-greedy: you basically need to price-in a midi filter if you have other midi channels running, [2] Jomox firmware is neither timely nor consistent, [3] I felt that there was some value to decoupling drum synth and sequencer. That said, I don't think I ever full got into its sequencer because the Jomox workflow didn't gel for me. A frickin' tank, tho.
The new AB, and midi filter comes to ~$1800 + $250 = $2050.
A used, original Tanzbar, a used Pyramid sequencer, and a new DRM1 MKIV sets you back $950 + $600 + $750 = $2300.
@@TheFlippertube It's fun to see how experiences vary from user to user. Personally I think on the contrary than Alpha Base is not limited to house or techno, I'm currently working on breakbeat sequences with my personal samples loaded in, and it grooves super tight.
The sequencer is very efficient and brings a groove of madness that we do not find so easily on a Tanzbar. I find it´s a shame to mention only the kick because this machine can go very far with its hybrid channels and turn into a real mono synth, not to mention the mbrane and the fm synth which are very versatile.
The AB is greedy in midi because it has 11 midi channels separated by instrument, but it also gives the possibility of controlling all its parameters by sequencing it on a Cirklon for example :). I have not encountered any MIDI bug and therefore do not currently use a midi filter. Same for the OS : no serious crash in use.
I think it's a sound design instrument that requires works before starting to be enjoyed, it's also quite close to a groovebox (I’m thinking in particular of the spectralis).
@@TheFlippertube Interesting approach! That's definitely a good point that we didn't touch on in the video about the Jomox's MIDI...
@@TheFlippertube please explain the midi greedy part?
Might want to mod that Volca Beats snare.
Why? It sounds kr55 kpr77
@@ChromosomeSyndicate true... but if you don't like that and want more snap rather than crunch the mod is pretty easy and simple to accomplish.
@@Decoy303 buy a tr8 rd8 rd6? There are so many drummachines with the roland type sounds.
@@ChromosomeSyndicate I personally don't want any of those. If I was gonna buy an analogies drum I'd go with something by AVP such as the ritmobox or adsr7. Never been much for Roland products and I'm not trying to sound like everyone else with cliche gear. To many unique quality pieces of gear out there to b just follow what everyone else always uses. Only old school drum is sirens money on its a TR-707
@@Decoy303 a tr707 i had many but i don't understand what so special is on it . No pitch no decay settings no nuance ..... just a plastic pcm plop drum in a white box .
Four great machines at four price points
The volca drum would have been the better pick from that series imo, its a drum synth and very adjustable soundwise. Whereas the v beats is much less adjustable. Im not saying it would fare any better against the others here but it does seem to be the more preferred drum machine of the volca series.
curious about alpha base vs analog rytm!
DRM-1 rules way above all the rest
it does. i totally agree. A very special thing it is
Am I tripping, or does the impact and drumbrute look IDENTICAL in this video??
VERMONA for me!
dang the AB sounds good
DRM 1 and jomox mbase 11 for me ❤
damn .... that drm just makes everything techno
Alphabase+Vermona for full indulgency.
The jomox is one of the greatest in history as far as i can see.
The Alpha Base is incredible. I tested it when it first came out and in the almost 40 years I have been making music I have never heard a drum machine with this much punch. It truly is the ultimate alpha.
chill with the super-fast video editing
I regret selling the DRM.
I just never used it that much
Like most drum synths it NEED a lot of processing to make the most of it
Yeah yeah the sound, but what about durability, practicability, precision, or workflow? Reparability, quality of knobs or of power supply... yeah with the same components you can make it sound the same way, but is it all that counts for a producer or a live performer? a gadget can sound good on fixed setting, but it stays a gadget...
4 sure
why?
Voice is too loud I can barely hear the music
I just have one thing to say.... ER-1
DRM1 wins
From 8:00 da Brute!
Strange review.. where are the Roland Tr8s, Akai MPC etc..
they arent analog...
Why the shouting?
i hate to admit it the alpha base kicks over em all 100x .dont buy jomox unless you got the money to buy 3 of them at once for redundency . they dont last. and are always eventualy discontinued making that incredable un dupilcatble sound gone. you wont want to produce anymore cause everyting else sounds thin and reedy compared to jomox EVERYTHING.my sunsyn broke then a yearish later the x base 999. jurgen never returned any of my emails.:( and to thish day i refuse to produce with out the sunsyn and x base 999 cause all other gear sounds so thin and reedy now. :(........
sunsyn was biggest failed hype ever . buggy , missing promised features , unreliable hw that can't be fixed . didn't even sound good . everything sounded unmusical not in a good way . in an annoying on the edge of broken way. sold and never bought jomox ever again .
loads of generic bla bla
Didnt watch the video cause if you cant hear the difference, you should check your hearing.
All of this is a limited or overpriced piece of gear, listen to all of this and own some, the result is here: take digitakt, or analog rytm, or some rd8 or rd9, but never Arturia - they can't do drummashines, the impact or drumbrute is a total crap
“Overpriced” is very subjective and the true price is whatever the market is willing to pay. That being said, RD-8 or RD-9 and then a few hundred dollars of high quality processors/effects will probably sound better for most usages than, say, the Vermona on a dry signal (for about the same total cost).