Stimming reviews Vermona DRM1 MKIV analog drum synthesizer
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- Опубликовано: 7 апр 2021
- In this video, our in-house reviewer, Martin Stimming reviews Vermona's MKIV version of their classic DRM1 analog drum synthesizer. 25 years on the market the DRM-1 is one of the longest running electronic music instruments. Optically this update is still the same as the first incarnation but under the cover the team at Vermona thoughtfully tweaked frequency ranges, revamped control curves, adjusted levels and redesigned sub-circuits.
Stimming puts this new version of an electronic music production staple through it's paces. Let’s see what his conclusion is...
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I don't know if I want this drum synth but I'll have the same coffee Stimming is having.
😂
Mate tea
Tea or coffee, can I have two please!👌🏻
A powerful recreation of sitting in a late 90s stoner boy's dorm room in college, raiding his mini fridge while he turns knobs on his new drum machine. 10/10 will watch again
Much thizz face
Nah he is seems like more of a "sneak off to his dorm room and bust out the amphetamine"-type. Comes back to the party wide eyed and talking nonstop about how he just fixed his microwave or some shit
I love it, whenever Stimming starts to do housestabs while modulating the decay, which modulates his elbows into this beautiful hiccup/dance
Eigentlich bin ich nur hier, um Herrn Stimming beim exstatischen Sitz-Tanz zu betrachten und mich daran zu erfreuen. Gude Laune!
My first time seeing this guy - he's very entertaining. As for Vermona, I have to applaud them because why mess with perfection? Rather than having their original model disappear, forcing Behringer to do a remake due to scarcity of a classic like so many synths we know of, they are keeping the market saturated with availability. Love my MKIII!!
Hopefully not your last time here. More videos soon.
Fantastic grooves Stimming! Another excellent review that cuts through to the reality of the box.
second time watching, even better. lots to observe and learn from this fellow. thanks, Stimming!
I have a mk3. I love it’s industrial design. I feel like I am controlling a nuclear reactor, trying not to go into meltdown. I run it through my octatrack, used for sequencing and fx. It has the same volume balance issue, but I always start off with all volume knobs minimised and bring them up one by one to taste. A bit of compression and verb sounds great. Brilliant entertaining review. Thanks.
Damn bro, what a workout, THANK YOU for this! It's looking like the mkIV is the drum synth I never knew I needed.
You are wild! Lolol Nice to have real reviews where any disappointment/dislikes, joys are clearly expressed. Great style of reviewing. Don’t change it, please!
don't forget to use proper speakers/headphones/in-ears (the standard airpods dont count :)) as the basses go low low low in here!
When you have high quality playback, that's when you hear how good this drum machine is.
I need a friend like Stimming.
One day 😂
You need a friend period
You mean honest friends... We all know most people don't like honest people
Love your channel OoraMusic!
The most informative video when it comes to explaining midi learn/mapping
Love watching you jam to the sweet beats this thing can create
he really has fun with this machine! especially in combinatiom with the digitakt. he is totally vibing!
Such an interesting reviewer - entertaining to watch
Es macht immer wieder auf's neue Spaß dir zuzusehen @Stimming
Ein Genuss für Ohren und Augen ❤
Thanks so much for this video!
When Stimming enjoys something this much I think he should get sales royalties. His enthusiasm and love for music is awesome! More please?
That is one beautiful reverb 😍
Great intro. It gave me 90s flash backs.
Dudeeeeee youre killin it on this thing O.o
Still the best reviewer :D
Can we get a syntakt review?
Nice video! Nice sounds! Another improvement are the dynamic trigger inputs ...
Stimming went a little crazy on quarantine))
He drunk lots of Mate tea before and was really awake. Good energy 😉
I was thinking...
Maybe cut back on the whizz dude?
He’s usually really chilled.
😝
Sports, yoga will easily do this. He was obviously busy! Good stuff
I had a mkiii and liked it but really wished it could be modulated. I know it would add to the cost but a version with a big CV expander or midi control of CCs would be unbelievable.
yeah, i can't believe they "updated" this to mkiv and still don't have midi control of anything other than triggering a note. i guess there's at least velocity sensitive trigger ins, but still...
@@naveengumpeni3884 I agree. I loved my mk3, but really wanted to be able to sequence it with an Elektron or something, so i could focus more on playing keys or fidgeting with the modular when I couldn’t be tweaking this all the time. Or if I didn’t have enough fingers to turn all the knobs I wanted.
The only other complaint I had was actually with the response curves of some of the knobs, especially attack and decay. It sounds like they addressed that, which I love, but I’d like digital control over things, too. Especially now that it has USB. That would probably increase the price a good bit, though.
I don't think they had live performance in mind when creating this, and that's okay with me. I say create the tones you want with this thing and then resample them into something you can tweak those sounds live in such as a daw or maybe these new mpc dawless units.
Awesome review, Stimming rules ✌️😁
Great video! In terms of percussion-modules/drum-machines as I started making electronic musix I used the MAM ADX-1 (which is a Vermona product) besides a SCI Drumtraks. I've been using a DRM Mk III for years and I love it. Ok ... I still have the ADX and the Drumtraks, for sure.
Stimming reviews are one of a kind 😄👌
Brilliant! Thank you!
Thank you Stimming. Your reviews are entertaining because you are playful. Some lack that. You are absolutely convincing.
This must be the best review ever 😅❤️
Man, I had the MKIII for years and it was fun, but I haven't missed it. I won't be buying a MkIV, but I'm happy Vermona made it if only to generate this review, which was really a joy to watch!
Why don’t you miss it? Was there something you didn’t like? Thanks
@@TwinCitiesOxygen I would in no way want to answer for @ihearanewworld, but I had the MKIII for a few months, and it was fun, but the (understandable) lack of parameter automation means it somewhat suits certain types of workflows e.g. :
- Endless sound design/sampling;
- Meticulously recording each drum synth separately, or
- Very drum-centric music where you can focus all attention on the DRM.
The MKIV will be the same deal. Although I still really want one (again)…
“Nicely shaped edge in the back so it doesn’t take more space than it needs to do it from itself in the rack!”... my thoughts on my mkiii, exactly! I’m really relieved by that notched out zone is there. To protect the fat 1/4” and MIDI cable plugs that would otherwise stick out, annoyingly. My Vermona DRM1 wish list is pretty short: “Please Vermona, can we have one of those fancy 20-turn precision potentiometers with the knobs with the counter and latch? instead of the single sweep ones, at least for the PITCH on the KICk?!!” THANKS FOR SHARING THIS, STIMMING!!
Nice idea
Stimming you were my hero.
Then I saw this Gabber intro and now .. i love your review way more! 👍👍👍
😂
What would be the simplest and best step sequencer to pair with this baby? Love these sounds
Amazing, raw and fun review as always, thank u
I used to sequence the MKIII on the Digitakt too, the sounds are really great. But they still haven't implemented CC :(
Great ! Please talk about the Tanzbar. Excellent review, as usual 😊
Coming soon
The best gear review I have ever seen.
Update.... ordered it last night. Well done Stimming.
cv or lfo for a choosable parameter for each channel would be a dream for this synth. i really hoped something like this will come to mk4. soundwise i was happy with the mk3.
Can MIDI be used to modulate the parameters? If so, can use a MIDI LFO
youre sucha legend stimming! makin tha money!
Drum 1 & 2 have different frequency ranges. The difference between the versions is listed on vermonas site if anyone are curios
thanks for the clarification - I should have rtfm. Its not too obvious while tweaking though ;)
Thats Obese Baseline ... LOve it !! just may buy it this week. :)
what would you do if you just recently bought a mkIII? if the kick has way more improved I hope they will also bring out a new kick lancet...
You should do a review of the Waldorf Zaremburg in the background!
Apparently Stimming himself became a drum machine while doing this review 😂
Pure/raw is a very good thing to cut through a mix or slam hard in a club. When recording it at home just run it through saturation and parallel compression to the level of warmth and thickness you like. Once I borrowed a JoMoX XBase 09 for a live show. The clean sound at home sounded thin, weak and weird. In the club it was beastly (given you plug it through an analogue mixer straight into the PA and don't run it through the cheap AD/DA of a mobile interface/computer). When I recorded it at 96KHz resolution I saw in RX that it outputs sonic content all the way up to 60KHz. Although we supposedly can't hear this with our ears, I'm left wondering if, in a club on a good system, we can't somehow feel this...
Any guitar pedals for saturation (what is that exactly hehe) and parallel compression?
@@TwinCitiesOxygenAnalog Heat would be perfect for this.
Parallel compression (or New York compression) is when you compress part of the signal and leave the other part uncompressed. E.g. 50/50
Great demo of the sounds. Very informative too. I wonder though, isn’t it possible to run midi into the digitakt and use the drm1 as a midi controller? How dope would that be? So you get the material into the digitakt then immediately then use all the knobs to perform. I hope this is true.
Martin, wann machst du ein Analog Rytm Mk2 Review? Finde es immer wieder beeindruckend, wie Du deine Begeisterung und Liebe rüberbringst. Grüße nach HH ♥️
In der neuen Review Reihe 'Modern Classics' kommt demnächst ein Video zu MFB's Tanzbär von ihm und als nächstes nimmt er sich dann den Octatrack vor.
danke dir! ich hab ne erste rytm, die könnte ich in der modern classics serie später im jahr mal "testen" (hab sie recht lange auf der bühne benutzt, so sieht sie auch aus ;))
@@MStimming ich denke das wäre für viele interessant, würde mich jedenfalls sehr freuen 😊
ROHMATERIALLIEFERANT
❤ Stimming
Thanks for the demo, I am considering one... What's your opinion on pairing it with Machinedrum?
What a performance :D love it. Gotta say that I miss some CV controllability at least for a few parameters per voice. I know this makes it all way more complex and requires space, but then you could use it in a setup with more instruments. As it stands, I'd be afraid it was too static for me to perform with it.
That jamming at the beginning. 😃
The individual outputs can be used as inserts. Thats quite a point, wich I was missing in this this review. Beside of that, nice grooves as always.
Agreed. Great feature!
25:37 Glitch hop? is the most unusual moment! Always thought the Vermona clap sound was especially nice and crunchy!
Man those two beats at the end were awesome. When's Stimming gonna start a Beat Stars account? 🤣
Hello and thanks for this video. I just purchased a Roland Tr8s and was wondering if you think the DRM1 would sound good with Roland? I am new to producing electronic music so not sure what gear works well together. Thanks
What did you get?:)
I am waiting for this to come out soon! Anyone know the ETA?!
Nice synth! Is that a Dual turntable in the background? Model? My dad had one very similar.
I've been eying the DRM-1 for quite some while now... It har a certain asthetic and sound that is very appealing to me. But I also need to get a sequencer lol
Sounds good. Can you save and load patches / kits, or do you have to manually patch it?
Nope. It's just mechanical knobs hard-wired to analog cirquits.
I've still got the MKIII sealed in my home studio. Don't see a reason for an upgrade although they've included some tweaks on the instruments but this is a legendary drum synthesizer.
Why still sealed?
@@musictalk-tech Because I've got almost no time to play with it. But the time will come soon in the next weeks or so.
@@WolleHartz did this ever happen I got one the other day it’s so good
"there's a little optimization for Vermona... for the MKV... in 10 years", lol
They suck
Four itterations and still not perfect?
@@mauriziomauricone give me one machine that is perfect... not even the TRs are perfect
(but yeah, pretty close ;))
Mind you, those TR-909s and 808s etc. where single itterations, so yeah, pretty close 😉
Stimming is the one and only!!!
the amount of like will power it felt like it took to get the first sentance out for some reason made me laugh for like 10 whole seconds furiously. Im now going to sample it... awesome intro lol...
I assume the front outputs acting as an effects send/return work as normal on the MkIV too? That's a good way to remove some of the synthesized "raw" sounds of some of the drums. Love your reviews, by the way.
Yes they do, sorry for not making this clear! Thanks for your compliments
I think you mean mk 2 , Mark 3 is just like this Mr Stims, regarding Bass drums.
I love that u can use the direct outs as inserts , so much guitar pedal fun and loop it right back to master!
You mean, the bassdrum in mk3 is the same as this? Didn't compare them side by side but I strongly remembered it different - I'm curious if I'm wrong!
@@MartinStimming Yes , although last time I owned one was 2011 , Think they added the square with the MK3 update. Before it was just the two other drums/toms. Don’t quote me , but that’s what I remember.
Just checked , is the same , I think you might of had the mk 2 , which was before the ‘kick’ channel was added.
They have gone back to the old style knobs? I much preferred the knobs on the performer style one
space wise they wouldnt fit, they had a "luxury" version with silver metal knobs but don't plan to do it this time
Great tool I beleave it would be awesome with something like the Zen Delay! Thank you for the review :)
You mean this one? ruclips.net/video/_HvcFoHXWUc/видео.html
@@musictalk-tech yes exactly, they should complement each other perfectly.
@@ghostcoder3342 good idea!
I never laughed that much watching a review of a freaking drum machine. Thanks Stimming
I agree :)
Ich hatte mal die einzelne DRM2 Voice. Das Ding hat sehr schön gedrückt und tolle Sounds geliefert. Leider war es so, dass der Oszillator immer durchlief, also die Wave wurde mit dem Triggersignal nicht neu gestartet. Und wenn man dann irgendwo auf der Welle den Sound abgerufen hat, kam es zu immer unterschiedlichen Klick Geräuschen, die mich sehr gestört haben. Das mag bei härteren Kicks nicht so auffallen, aber wenn man da etwas sanftere Sound haben will stört es (zumindest mich) total. Beim DFAM hab ich das gleiche Problem, weshalb der für mich als Kick nicht nutzbar ist, wenn man nicht absampled, so wie ich das damals mit dem DRM2 gemacht habe. Lange Rede kurzer Sinn, ist das hier immer noch so? Oder wird der Oszi mit dem Trigger neu gestartet?
Sehr gute Frage! Hab ich nicht explizit nachgeprüft aber mache das morgen im Studio und sag bescheid
Also ich hab das gestern nochmal gecheckt und die bassdrum wird neu gestartet, ich hör da keine verschiedenen Phasen in der Attack. Lg
@@MartinStimming Großartig, danke fürs checken :)
So, while using the vermona with the digi via usb are the digitakts 1-8 tracks represented and then processed thru the vermona 1-8 tracks?
no, its pure samples. no insert into the analog paths again
Stimming is an absolute legend. We're here for him, for his take on gear, the gear is secondary. I love how he voices his opinions.
So this is the new home base for the Stimming reviews???? I'm asking because I subbed lol
Yes, we are still doing Electronic Beats TV too but less techy. In 2 weeks there is a new series with Stimming on EB.TV called Beats on a budget. Music production with low budget and for newbies.
So you have to stay on both channels 😉
why not sequence the Vermona using the takt? Guess being able to save the patches is a big plus
DO YOU KNOW WHERE TO GET A WALDORF ZARENBOURG? REALLY NEED ONE!
The MK3 bass drum is pretty amazing I think
Agree, I owned the MK2 and always felt like the kick was just a hair off from where I wanted it to be. This improvement sounds incredible, might have to revisit.
Oh wait this is the MK4, didn't even notice. It sounds even better to me!
Good video - have vermona had the sense to add the smaller 3.5 jacks for trigger inputs?
Good question. There is no info about it online. But if I watch the wholes on the back I guess it will be 6,3. But will try to find out with Vermona as we only had the Midi version.
The trigger inputs are still 6,3 mm / ¼ inch jacks. We had a DRM1 MkIV with trigger inputs for a short while.
@@CaptainPikant can't see the use case for using the larger jacks for triggers when most people using triggers will be using a circadian rhythms or trigger riot or similar in euroland
Electronic drum kits and 5u!
@@Praparadorireally? 5U is extremely niche and I can't see many drummers having this beside their drum kit - hitting a pad then stopping to tweak a knob etc etc.
I am still in love with the MKIII, especially for Tabla type sounds and playing Indian-classical-elektro hybrid music. I also pair it with the Digitakt for sampling and modern/acoustic drum sounds. The improvements here are nice, but I wonder if they went a little over the top with the aggression?
I guess I am sort of glad they didn't introduce any modulation, because it means I still have a few years with my MKIII before I will replace it.
Stimming, you are vey entertaining, thanks for the funny, trippy, honest reviews!
Hab ick mal schlechte Laune oder fehlt mir Inspiration zum Schrauben, schau ick n Review von Stimming und die Welt ist wieder in Ordnung 🤗
...ach und zusätzlich leg ich natürlich noch nen Track von ihm in die Playlist!
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Your dancing is making me very happy.
Hey hey, what brand is green and white 1/4 jack cables?
I wonder was this used to make Pele bloss track by wighnomy brothers, sounds familiar.
This with a Pulsar23 and a DFAM....dream Groove Setup
Its the funniest Stimming review...this little „uhs ,ähms and aaahs“ 😁. Love✌️
my new favourite comedian :)
😂
Hi there, am a little bit new to analogue so just want to check a couple things please if someone wouldnt mind enlightening me. I want to be able to hook this up to logic pro x and effect stuff from there. Am thinking it might be an idea to buy a sequencer like the beatstep pro or something? Or do some use in the box solutions? So am guessing I can then connect the BSP to Logic and effect stuff in real time? Also can you separate all the tracks into your daw for control afterwords? So for example could you go from bsp then have all tracks on seperate audio tracks within your daw?
Can someone try and explain the possibilities of what can and cant be done in simple terms haha
Ive seen some talking about how you cant edit velocity?
You could connect this to interface via midi and play notes on midi controller or something then the drum machine will respond and will play back what youve inputted in?
Can someone also please explain the difference with the trigger input version and why you would want to have these inputs?
Would appreciate any help as have been eying up vermona for ages now
Lots to talk about here, I'll try my best.
*"...[should I buy] the beatstep pro or something? Or do some use in the box solutions? So am guessing I can then connect the BSP to Logic and effect stuff in real-time? Also can you separate all the tracks into your daw for control afterwords? So for example could you go from bsp then have all tracks on seperate audio tracks within your daw?"*
So, I think what you're getting confused with here is that the Beatstep pro is _just_ a sequencer. No audio is passed through the beatstep pro. Instead, you would route audio from the synth/drum machine to a mixer or audio interface. So, theoretically, if a drum machine has a dedicated output for every track and you have enough ports on your audio interface, you can record every track separately and edit the audio separately.
Some drum machines also have their own audio interface and transmit audio over USB, which can be super convenient and mean you don't need like eight spare tracks on your audio interface to record every track. Some drum machines also let you choose what comes out of the master and what comes out of the other outputs. Unless you have an interface or mixer with a gazillion inputs, you're generally going to have to prioritise. Sometimes you're fine to just take the master out, but if you have a couple of extra ports you would first want to separate the kick drum from everything else, and then maybe think about separating the snare or main hat (though it depends on the genre).
As for using a Beatstep Pro with your DAW, it's doable and a lot of people get heaps out of that, but it's probably not going to be as smooth as you have in your head. The Beatstep Pro is great as a standalone thing to jam with and come up with ideas, and you could record the audio of that with your DAW and then later go through and properly edit it. However, if you want to use both simultaneously as part of the process, then that can be a bit awkward. Your DAW is essentially an insanely complex sequencer (with an insanely complex mixer to boot) so you basically end up trying to use two sequencers with each other, which doesn't really work that well (especially when they're not both hardware). You could just use your DAW to sequence the drum machine, it's a little dull but it works and you don't need more hardware. If you have a software controller for your DAW (not familiar with Logic but for example something like the Ableton Push or Maschine) that is able to work as a step sequencer, then you're pretty much on par with the Beatstep Pro but in a software-based setup.
So to summarise, if you got a Beatstep Pro, it'd give you that more tactile workflow, but to get that in the box you'd have to record what you do and edit it later. If you just use software to sequence it, then you'd get a workflow more integrated with your DAW (allowing for easier, more continuous composition instead of having to break it into two parts), but the sequencing perhaps won't be as fun or inspiring. It's quite difficult to have the best of both worlds, unfortunately. In my experience, I usually have the most success when I make a rock-solid loop using a hardware drum machine/sequencer, and then I record that and use it in a track. I don't love this because I don't get to do anything particularly dynamic and the track isn't really built around the hardware, but it's just what's worked best for me in the past. I also often record samples and then sequence them in audio, which again means I don't get to tweak the sounds after they're recorded.
*"...you can't edit velocity?"*
I don't know too much about the details of this drum machine but from a quick Google I think you can edit velocity externally, but the device itself only has simple buttons which don't respond to velocity. If that's true then it just means that to take advantage of velocity, you'd have to use an external MIDI controller or sequencer. The BSP pads for example _are_ velocity responsive, so you can hook that up to it and it'll work great. People might be talking about editing the velocity curve or the velocity that is played when you press the button? But yeah from the look of it you could use an external MIDI controller to get velocity functionality.
*"...play notes on midi controller or something then the drum machine will respond and will play back what youve inputted in?"*
Not sure if this is related to the last question but just thought I'd clarify. If you plug a MIDI controller directly into this then you will be able to play it through that, in most cases without setting anything up. Usually with drum machines, every drum is mapped out on one MIDI channel and starts from some arbitrary octave (I think it's usually middle C). So eg. C might be your kick, C# snare, etc. This means you can't play melodically, though some machines do let you play melodically (I don't believe this is one of them). If you have a USB MIDI keyboard, you can either get a converter, or you can plug the drum machine into your computer (it has USB MIDI, not much advantage using your interface in the middle), and then you'd have to go into your DAW and set up the MIDI from your keyboard to go straight to the drum machine, which isn't hard, but it won't just instantly work like plugging a controller straight into the drum machine.
*Trigger inputs*
Trigger inputs are used a lot in modular for sequencing. Basically, if you send a click into a trigger input, it'll trigger that track. The Beatstep Pro has those 10 drum track outputs on the back - those are trigger outputs, you could sequence by plugging one into each of the drum machine's trigger inputs. However, this drum machine also has MIDI in, so if you're not sure, you're probably best just using MIDI. Trigs are a lot more primitive but give more flexibility for modular.
Hope this helps, if you have any further questions feel free to ask.
@@delcanprobably wow, you put quite some effort into this! thank you
@@MStimming always happy to help those looking to learn :)
I love my DRM MKIII....I honestly can't tell much of a difference aside from it looks like the 'sweet spots' are much broader maybe. It's not the #1 Stunna drum synth/machine. Meaning, it's probably going to need assistance, a wingman and it will take some extra work to build a kit. That being said, I've yet to find any drum machine/synth, groovebox, sample based instrument, mono synth, poly synth, or any other instrument that would fill the space without a second layer. I'm pretty much in agreement with you but starting with DRM is my favorite to build a foundation. Especially independent outs into efx racks both in the box and out. It's no9t the most practical option but I usually work better within limitations that are still legit in their own right. Not sure that made any sense...anyways, I love your music, your demos and the fact you gave this gem another try and shared the experience with us all. Cheers from Atlanta, Georgia USA
That jam in the Digi is where it's at man!!!! Way better than recording in Live! I love the master comp's touch to the mix...sick!
thank you!
3:01 "...meet the 21st Century requirements for Punch!" - Oh yes! 🔊❤
Does anyone know what that white electric piano (?) behind Stimming is?
Waldorf Zarenbourg but it’s sold now 😉
@@musictalk-tech Thank you.
His point about the DRM1 sounding too raw is really perceptive. That's what led me to sell my mkii years and years ago though I'm not sure I realized that's what I didn't like about it at the time. He's really astute and it never seems like he's just recycling consensus opinion or conventional wisdom.
He does have an honest vibe
One Question: Do i really need an sequencer or can i sequence it "only" with a DAW?
Sure you can sequence with a DAW
@@musictalk-tech Ah thanks!
i dont know what they did but the mk4 is just much more chunky than the mk3
4:53 That "hhhrrrrhhh"-Sound is sample-worthy 😀
What brand are those cables
NEO by Oyaide 😉
hmmmmm im looking for a drum machine that sounds good in minimal music and would play well in a dub style setup. i feel like this is sooo close except i dont know what I could sequence it with. a computer is out of the question. an digitakt seems cool but thats another grand. what other options are there???
Arturia Beatstep Pro for example
@@musictalk-tech thats a great reccomendation actually. i forgot about that handy little guy.
instant Plus 8 album right here
"Not my tempo" lol
Luv ya Stimming :D