1 Year of the Freewing Eurofighter 90mm v3 - Nearly the Best RC Jet Ever Made
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- No hyperbole - this jet is definitely among the best ever. Outstanding flight envelope. Gentle flying characteristics. Moddable for a tail heavy CG, within reason. Good servos out of the box. Fantastic price point. You can't argue with it - unless you hate death doritos, in which case your opinioni s wrong.
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Equipment Used:
Spektrum AR10360T Receiver: bit.ly/3SuAlPv
SMC LiHV batteries: www.smc-racing.com/index.php?...
RC Light Systems Serial Expander: www.rclightsystems.com/produc...
AGFRC B11DLS canard servos: tinyurl.com/B11DLS
KMRC Model afterburners: kmrcmodel.com
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Receivers:
Spektrum AR8360T Receiver: bit.ly/3QBdgtc
Spektrum AR637T Receiver: bit.ly/3dCjiuO
Transmitters:
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NX10: bit.ly/3Qm6BSR
NX8: bit.ly/3bA4dcA
NX6:
Servos:
AGFRC B13DLM: tinyurl.com/B13DLM
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Hitec HS-85MGs:
Batteries:
4s 30c 2200 Smart packs: bit.ly/3SsoUrB
4s 50c 2200 Smart packs: bit.ly/3dcdBU3
6s 50c 5000 Smart packs: bit.ly/3A0jVY2
6s 50c 4000 Smart packs: bit.ly/3JANxOL
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0:00 Eurofighter Overview
1:34 MotionRC Improvements
3:08 You Can Go Tail Heavier
4:07 Gyro Optimization for Tail Heaviness
6:00 Tail Heaviness Downsides & Workarounds
7:07 Canard / Elevon Adjustments for Tail Heaviness
8:13 Stock Gear Sequencing is Doodoo
9:05 New TBRC Scoring System 
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Excellent review and demonstration of your mods. Your background music is so appropriately cool with seeing the jet perform! Just Excellent!
Much appreciated, thank you!
I’m making a fiberglass one because I like mine that much
Those low passes were impressive! And the high alpa over the water as well! I 100% agree! By far one of the best flying jets that has come from Freewing next to the F-22! It does everything well and I havent even hooked a gyro up to mine yet but do plan to in the future. I have the 8s version and it is blazing fast!! So far its been in two RC Airshows at full scale airports wowing the crowd each time! I dont take it with me to the field every time, but when I do there is always a big smile after each flight!
It's so tail heavy on our setup that it flies quite poorly sans gyro, but that's basically how the full scale would fly without a flight computer. Being able to do slow rolls with almost no altitude drop is well worth the mod work that went into it!
@@TwoBrosRC sounds like the real F-16! I have the rx to do this but only 10ch for now... may have to try something like this after I have some more time with it.
This is how the Freewing EF2000 is suppose to be flown! Superb flying bro!! You are the best. AAA+++
Outstanding footage! Especially FPV, which blew me away!
This is my favorite video of yours to date! Such a beautifully flown model.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome video! I picked up the Gripen a couple months ago based on your reviews. I finally got to do the maiden flight and had a blast flying it. If you're telling me this Eurofighter is even more fun.....time to put another order in at Motion RC lol.
It's quite the plane, man. You'll love it.
I don't have any Freewing birds in my hangar yet. But, you might have just nudged me to start window shopping 😊
Currently waiting for the visa card to stop actively smoking before I can work that sob hard again! Thanks for the deep dive on this one, Jon.
And I'll keep that "It's not a monster truck" advice in mind, next time I slam my Maule onto its new monster truck tires 😅
👍
A monster truck Maule sounds like a bunch of fun. We're still waiting on our inflatable 1300mm Super Cub wheels to arrive so we can toss them on our Maule.
Model airplanes have to make sacrifices to be lightweight (relatively) and still flyable within a reasonable envelope. Landing gear mounts are usually one of those sacrifices. In Eurofighter's case, that's thankfully not the issue, but you can crack the plane in half exactly where those two photos show if you slam it in consistently. It's just not designed for that kind of flying - you actually have to fly it down to the ground to avoid that.
@@TwoBrosRC
Just FYI- Those PA18 1.3m wheels require some minor grinding down to fit the shorter Maule hubs. But, OMG is it worth the time and effort!! 👍🏼
Mine too. 😂😂😂😂
You got a new sub from me! I'm liking the footage and detailed commentary like a car review. :)
I can't wait to see you get your hands on the new 90mm Freewing J10 coming out soon!
Jon you really went all out on this one. Very complicated set up explained very well. Awesome flying.
Thanks Adam! It's great in stock form but something unbelievably good when modified to fly like the full scale jet.
Great 👍 Flying Ace
2:00 "Maybe making an F15 ACTIVE" was so out of pocket but yes please I’d love the most decked out F15 in existence
Yes please, with full thrust vectoring.
it really does look locked in. great demo and video
Thanks for watching!
J10 coming🤠🤠🤠
You know it!
Can’t wait to see that in action
Nice Video.
Cool videos
Just came across your videos of euro fighter from last year today and subscribed. Great video. You reference the control surfaces rates being tied to speed. I assume you mean throttle position? You’re the first RUclipsr I have seen sharing som much on mixing, rates, etc… Much appreciated! I have done several complex mixed planes that leave most R/C’ers scratching their heads. But, I’m always learning. Euro fighter being purchased :-)
Thanks Anthony! The behavior Jon was talking about is in reference to the gyro, not the surfaces. In full scale fighter jets, stabilization and throw are both controlled by the flight computer. On model aircraft, the best we can do is limit the stabilization by approximating airspeed thresholds using the throttle position as a crude guide.
We use full throws, but the gyro is governed by throttle position and the position of the sliders on the back of our IX20.
@@TwoBrosRC I figured that's what he's talking about. He referred to it with speeds. I'm a full scale pilot too, understand what the full scale planes are doing. I ran into issues with throttle curve mixes on a couple of planes where I chopped the throttle and how too much deflection but still going fast or was needing to punch it while too low and didn't have the throw I need. Would be nice if we could tie this to true airspeed at some point. Use IAS like UASs do from a tiny pitot tube and feed that to a control thow mix. My bet is you guys will be the first to do it from what I have seen.
@AnthonyPuca I tried to use Frskys pitot sensor for this exact purpose, but the telemetry had some delay. Maybe it could have been fixed, but sometimes it lost the sensor as well so I ended up with a gain mix that was tied to the throttle. Not only that, but with slow up and slow down added to the mix to get a closer correlation with actual speed. I have some flights with the Eurofighter on an 8 ch receiver, but now there is a Frsky SR10+ mounted with dual stabilizers - the second one controlling the canards with separate gains and throws. Waiting for the snow ❄️ to go away to test it. Great video by the way!
Fantastic vid. Im now for surw buying that bird. And for surenit also wont be setup like yours that your setups are over my head. Lol.. Besides i just have a NX8.
Childhood dream =]
Great debrief. Thank you. I gotta know whose After-burner kit did you install? Love the flicker. Best, Steve (LB)
We use KMRC afterburners from kmrcmodel.com these days.
I can say from having a v1 that it's such a good flying jet, i put countless flights on it using only 5 channels, zero expo, standard elevon mixing and no gyro, so nothing else is really needed but more just a luxury on this bird. I'm saying this for the people like me who just like to simplify it, put a fresh battery in it and go rip it, she'll do just fine...until it doesn't (servo failure😭).
Yeah man, however you want to fly is all that should matter. We prefer to emulate how full scale jets fly. Not everyone does, though. And it does require a bit more stick skill to fly something as tail heavy as our jets, even with augmented stability. You still have to know how to operate within the jet's flight envelope. Departing from it can lead to unrecoverable crashes. But it's so much more fun to have a jet that does exactly what you tell it to do!
Hello, and thanks for all the useful info. Well flown model! Can you elaborate on what the ON/OFF switch is for on the mixing board? Can't find a mention of it in the manual. I just bought the model from a friend who went turbine for the most part.
It changes the gear cycle if we're remembering right. One position leaves the doors open, the other leaves them closed.
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks very much! Just confirmed it, you are correct!👍
Great video buying one typhoon in the next two weeks and will look at doing the same mods you have done yourself..
Are you able to upload your radio set up for this jet.. would be great if you can 😊
It should be available on our Discord server in the #spektrum-radio-setups channel!
Hej, will you test the Freewing MiG-29 Fulcrum Digital Camo 80mm? Or have you already? Kind regards Roland
Probably not anytime soon.
Whats a good size battery for this that gives good performance and decent flight time?
All the info is in the video.
Hey buddy, really dumb question.
When you are running your As3x gains, is that assisting for just winds, or is it with stability if you lose orientation?
It's for overall stability with the tail heavy CG we tend to prefer. It acts like a flight computer.
@TwoBrosRC Do you have on previous uploaded videos your AS3X set ups?
Most of the setup info for the jet is in this vid: ruclips.net/video/nwxhjQWO9zE/видео.html
I have a Viper 90 motor and 130 Amp ESC laying around. Should I do a Eurofighter ARF kit or just get it as a PNP and use the Viper 90 motor in something else (maybe F18 Blue Angels)?
The Viper motor has *nothing* on the Eurofighter motor. The ESC would be useful though - but you'd need to step down the voltage to the retracts for any Freewing jet, or you'll burn them up. Avians kick out 6v BEC power in stock configuration. You'd need to step that power down to 5v, or the gear will eventually burn up.
Thank you. That's really helpful.
I’m probably different than most but I much prefer your live commentary to the voice over.
We do a mixture of live/voiceover these days. It's easier to work with and you still get raw, unfiltered thoughts as well. Appreciate the feedback!
How much is the jet plus everythign your using apart from the after burn lights
The jet is $599 in stock form. The B11DLS servos (tinyurl.com/B11DLS) for the canards are $20 for the pair. The D-85MG elevon servos are $44 each. The RC Light Systems Serial Expander is $31. The AR10360T is $160ish. The build we're using is about $800 total.
Hey Jon,where is your cg now?mine it’s 30mm behind cg mark but still nose heavy
We took it off the wall rack and assembled it just for you. It's currently balancing in the 60 to 70mm range, aft of the marks on the wing. You can go closer to 70 with a 4400, and closer to 55 with a 6200 pack. 5300, 5800, and 5900 packs balance around 60 to 65mm.
@@TwoBrosRCmine is 8s,I already put one of my battery under brake (5200) and added 150g to the tail
I guess I should go with lighter battery and as u said still I need another 30-40mm going back
Sorry to bother you John, but could I get enough functionality out of a NX8 to make this jet really perform. I'm sure you do if you change the landing gear over to the radio but what else?
It's no bother, we try to answer everyone. The NX8 is more than enough to fly this jet in stock form. It'll just roll weird because the canards are mixed into aileron movement by default, when they should not be. So you'd need to split the channels for them to be pitch-only as they should be.
If you had to pick a jet to begin with, which one would you pick?
Viper 70. We covered why in a recent vid.
you said you have the file for your setup is there a files location somewhere I have the ix20
Yep! It actually should be in our Discord server in the #spektrum-radio-setups channel. Find it via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord
Thank you so much
Best battery setup?
We covered it in the vid.
Now I’m wondering if I should sell my Phantom for this
Why not both?
@@TwoBrosRC cause I have a hard time saving money and I’ll always end up selling something to get something different. And I will admit, I was almost to a point of selling my tomcat cause it has some problems.
We haven't flown the Phantom, but you can definitely see if Eurofighter is worth it based on our vids so far.
@@TwoBrosRC I mean it looks fun.
@@CalebT_RC Dont sell your phantom I would get both. You really dont want to sell your Phantom and then buying and crashing your new beloved Eurofighter 😅
I've stopped ordering from Banana Hobby nearly a decade ago due to poor customer service and the junk they sell. Sounds like they haven't changed a bit. I'm surprised they're still around.
Nearly the best.......
I love this Eurofighter! Yesterday I also did this battery tray mod to mine and can’t wait to try it :)
BTW, are you excited as well about the brand new Freewing J-10 90mm which has a similar characteristics like the Eurofighter? Delta with canards! It seems like a great next jet 😊
thanks for another great review Jon
I’m talking about this J-10:
ruclips.net/video/AOn7ljaLIOU/видео.htmlsi=JJ0ksyptW54zv8u1
You can expect to see us ripping up the J-10 as soon as it's available. ;)
@@TwoBrosRC hehe glad you’re gonna get that soon / if not already ;) can’t wait!
I’ve been buying from Motion, RC for 11 years. Customer service used to be great this customer service guy named Ed is very rude/unprofessional, I’m waiting for a callback from the manager of Motion, to file a complaint. Hopefully they can listen to the Phone recording. I hate to see anyone get fired, but he should get suspended and retrained Motion, RC isn’t like it used to be just like Horizon hobby. They used to have great customer service and now it sucks. Hopefully Motion,not headed that way. but Ed is definitely helping them to achieve that.
That guy Ed don’t give a ***k
Thanks for the info - we've passed it along to our contacts at Motion. Everyone but you so far has had nothing but positive things to say, so we're confident they'll ensure everything is on the up and up.
If either of you have a case number for your contact, please email it to twobrothersradiocontrol@gmail.com and we'll talk to Motion about it for you.
7:20 or maybe, the cg should be Correctly located.!
7:22 not sure what you meant to say here. yes, the canard does not significantly affect the air flow at the wing. negative aoi/a at the canard results in nose down moment... all the time.! which moment is offsetting the affects of a weirdly located cg. in this case, the cg should be, approximately, located at Fifty percent of root chord.
7:30 the cg of an aircraft should be located AT Thirty Percent of mac. that value should be your 'baseline ideal' cg location.!
it should be understood that a model aircraft should not be flown with 'pretend stuff' hanging under the wing.! why. two reasons. such bits make, proportionally, a LOT more drag. and, their masses do not have the same affects on a model's dom as they do at full scale.! d
Nonsense. Airflow doesn't flow aligned with the wing where the canards are placed. The very presence of a cambered wing modifies the entire fluid field around it, both downstream and upstream. If you set the canards flat, they'll be causing a permanent pitch up, which honestly, pretty much sucks because combined with a nose heavy CG it kills all the agility and maneuverability that make such an airplane a real beast. I personally wouldn't set them with such a big offset as Jon shows, but his idea is perfectly sound. Mine are also trimmed slightly 'pitch-down', which doesn't actually cause a pitch down per se, but more of a 'less-pitch up' contribution. It's like owning a ferrari and trying to drive it around with the parking brake on. Sure, you may overpower it with sheer force and still be able to get from point A to B, but it sure is a damn waste. 😂😂😂
As for the ordnance, again, more nonsense. Yes, they add drag (so do they on the full scale counterpart) but they also have positive contributions. They add an extra degree of lateral stability and help shift CG back, which both combined allow the jet to fly even better (more stable) at extreme angles of attack during high alpha. You do you, and all that, so however you choose to fly your jet is fine I guess. Whatever floats yer boat. But trying to impose your ideas on others the way you do (more so when you are clearly mistaken to add insult to injury) is just plain wrong and shameful.
We had our buddy Alejandro come in and explain why you're mistaken. He's an aeronautical engineer. While we usually dislike the appeal to authority fallacy, in this case, he's done the research. Our in-house aeronautical engineer Ciarán also had something to say:
"If you think the full-scale EF has CG at 30% MAC you've got another thing coming"
@TwoBrosRC That's a good one! xD
And yep, I dislike fallacies of authority, but that's that ;)
He is a theorist, we are experienced flight professionals ;-)