Vegan Activist Leaves Carnist SPEECHLESS - Questions His Beliefs
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This is the textbook example of carnism, the cognitive dissonance between "animal abuse is wrong for pleasure" and "animal abuse is fine because they taste good, it's inconvenient to change my food".
This guys logic:
Killing animals is not abuse as long as it functions to satisfy us
Functions to satisfy society.
The best thing you can do is eat locally available foods. No matter whether it's meat or veggies. Everything else is a scam.
I mean. I am all for you living a 100% natural life style on nothing but plants in a cold climate. No supplements or anything. Veggies native to Europe would be mostly root vegetables, leafy green veggies and such. Where I'm from people would eat snails and frogs when meat was scarce. They did it for enjoyment and the taste I guess.
@@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy These people are detached from mother nature.
@@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy The only truly ethical thing is to use all the parts of an animal, maintaining the deer population so they don't over-graze and destroy all the plant life. True balance.
Nicely done! I admire your patience to let the Carnist speak and work through answers without interjecting.
the carnist? you mean the other person? respect is a two way street... and you can say they are less than you because they eat meat but that's not a good way to be, having a superiority complex over dietary choices is a superiority complex nonetheless, doesn't matter how you justify it.
@@cstrongman Whoa, that's a whole bunch of stuff I didn't say, nor even came close to saying.
Carnist isn't a pejorative. I encourage you to look it up.
@@cstrongmanHuman animals who eat murdered nonhuman animals and/or consume stolen body secretions from nonhuman animals believe that those victims are less than them, don't they? Most of us were taught to devalue the lives of our victims in order to prevent any guilt or remorse. This learned habit of devaluing nonhuman animals (in order to exploit them, steal from them, and hurt/murder them, guilt-free) leads to human animals developing a "superiority complex". In sharp contrast, (authentic) vegans make the choice to stop devaluing the lives of other animal species, putting an end to the ugly "superiority complex" that non-vegans are still trapped in.
Have you ever considered your own learned "superiority complex" and how you see non-human animals as being less than yourself? Maybe it's time you did that.
My 'takeaway'🌱... from this is, the unbridled array, of compromised people, left tongue - tied, in the conversation.🤔
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Why is it so hard for some people to think life without eating meat so terrible? Addiction?
Social conformity. Most people didn't used to have an issue with slavery.
@@garibaldi54 well slavery for a start wasn't so widely spread as animal agriculture. It was mostly a small percent of people that actually owned slaves.
Yes, social conformity really shows up humans to be not very intelligent at all.
@@stevesas632 It was only a small % of people who owned slaves because you needed money/power to be able to. But its not like ordinary/poor people were campaigning against slavery. They saw it as just part of normal society. If you took an average peasant and gave them wealth they'd almost certainly participate in slave ownership too.
And coincidently the poor have historically eaten very little meat, meat was always a luxury that was reserved for special occasions and celebrations.
100% an addiction!!!!
Good job!!
I notice he couldn't give any examples of what these ethical practices would be.
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aw, he seems nice!
Well done, great vegan activism !
Seeds have been planted,this conversation will stay with him, I hope he decides there is no justification for not being vegan and changes his food choices.
Going vegan has never been easier,cheaper or healthier .
Good chat. Seitan would have been a good one to mention as well. The idea of eating only plants seems alien to him, hopefully he'll do some further reading later on.
the biggest trick Seitan ever played was convincing the world that meat doesn't exist
You're a skilled interviewer/activist! I like seeing videos like this because it makes me feel not as alone with my beliefs. I don't know how we're all okay deciding which animals can live full lives and which can't. It's pretty awful. In some ways, I blame religion because Christianity essentially excuses our animal abuse by purporting that other animals don't have souls or an afterlife. Juxtapose that with Hinduism where cows are sacred and a large portion of Indians are vegetarian.
It's interesting that his main point is that it will be difficult to convince people to change their habits. It puts the onus on you when, actually, your job is just to provide the information. The onus is on him/others to *do* something with the information. If he chooses not to, he can't hide behind the idea that it's not unethical or harmful (to the animals, to the human body, to the planet). With the information he now knows, he would have to acknowledge that he is acting in ways directly opposite to his spoken values. I think that realization is what he was trying to run away from! He wants to be ethical, but also wants the pleasure of animal meat
Absolutely! Thank you for the comment. I couldn't agree more, all we can do is educate people on the damage carnism causes and it is ultimately up to the individual to change. The seed is planted within this person and with time it will sprout 🌱
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I loved this, thanks!
Great work! This guy needs to get weaned.
He nearly choked when he unwillingly had to face up to the truth.
One thing I don’t see activists push enough is when the carnitas say ‘I know all my meat is ethically sourced’ we NEED to respond with ‘oh so you never eat outside of the house then. You don’t go to events, restaurants, grab something from Tesco …. You are literally a hermit and I don’t believe you anyway when you say you know’. I don’t see activists saying this
Socialization into cultural speciesism is a powerful, ubiquitous force imposed thru family, peer groups, institutions, corporations, media, religion, laws, traditions, like the oxygen we breathe every moment.
Good job. :)
He so desperate to continue abusing animals due to taste. Trying to justify it
Nice video
Very painful to watch going round in circles and then he went and ran out of excuses and went full circle “meat tastes good” and then he ran off….
in the end it all comes down to taste )
Well done. I’m not sure if it is useful to give the anthropocentric reasons for plant-based to someone who says they care more about humans than animals. NTT may be useful here to challenge their morally vacuous particularism.
such a funny (sad?) and interesting thing when people get confronted with so many different things they can't process / haven't thought about and just shut down and leave the conversation. He couldn't come up with any excuses at the end, so rather than conceding, he walked away
So true, this man told me after I stopped recording that he was "playing devil's advocate". He clearly wasn't but just used that as a defence mechanism, I think walking away when he had no more excuses is just another defence mechanism. He didn't verbally concede but in his actions he did. Whether he likes it or not the seed has been planted 🌱 With time I hope he reflects on our conversation and makes more compassionate choices
Humans are biologically herbivores. Every part of our bodies is similar to herbivores not omnivores. And true omnivores don't get heart disease from eating animals.
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He’s right it’s going to be so difficult to get ppl to change their whole lives. Look at me for example. I was the most ignorant, anti vegan guy around. I watched one documentary one night then went vegan the next day. That was 2015. Oops….
Everyone's a nutritionist 🤦🏻♂️
why is this in my tl im not even vegan lmaooo good video tho
Thanks for the feedback. I hope this video was interesting to you, I'm not just making videos for vegans, its for veggies and meat eaters too. Have you considered going vegan and eating plant-based foods? They are better for your health, better for the environment and reduce the animals being killed. What's not to like? :) Don't take my word for it, have a look at studies done by the American Dietetics Association & British Dietetics Association. Look at documentaries like Dominion and Cowspiracy to find out what really happens on these farms. And look at studies done by the UN showing how much it reduces our individual impact on the environment.
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Carnist, what a term.
Veggie munchers wish we werent an omnivorous species.
Have you heard the term before? It is used to point out that meat eating is a choice and not a need. We are selective omnivores, which means that we can eat meat in times of necessity. Though are you in a time of necessity? If you have plant-based options available then why not choose them? They are better for your health, better for the environment and reduce the animals being killed. What's not to like? :) Don't take my word for it, have a look at studies done by the American Dietetics Association & British Dietetics Association.
@@Amber.For.Animals Just because there is an alternative does not means it's inherently a healthy option. The amount of monosaturated fat in imitation meat is insane. Never the less, there are many choices ones makes that can bring net negative social cost. RUclipss data servers come at a cost to overall society even. So does almonds, they are also awful for the environment. We would have to now go and pick out every single aspect of our lives and declare it unsustainable.
Eating meat is ingrained in hundreds of cultures, if not how many religions require meat for certain religious meals and traditions.
Sure there are diets where you can meat all the macro and micro nutrients, but it requires WAY more effort than any diet should.
Hello, carnist! You are only ominvorous because you choose to consume that way. We have the privilege of choice. If you don't like the apt and reasonable term that we use for people who exploit animals, simply change your ways and I can say "hello, herbivore!" instead next time.
There are lots of things we have the ability to do that we don't.
We are not. Every part of our body is that of a herbivore. From our longer intestines, to our eyes, to our legs and body shape, to our jaws. TRUE omnivores don't get heart disease from eating animals. Cholesterol and saturated fat, from animals causes the #1 killer of humans. Mic The Vegan has a good video breaking down every body part and says, The #1 killer of humans is PRETENDING to be omnivores. Dr. Mills Milton also has a video, again breaking down the science of every body part and where it falls on the scale of carnivores, or herbivores and we fall in herbivores EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
People are opportunistic omnivores NOT biological omnivores.
But, let's say that wasn't the case. You still have no justification for eating animals except it tastes good. That's like saying, you rape women because it feels good. It's pure evil. And you will realize that one day. Your words are out there forever and you are on the wrong side of history.
We are not omnivores we are herbivores! Omnivores have fangs which are conical shaped. Herbivores don’t. Omnivores back teeth are shearing. We have molars. Omnivores jaws go straight up and down. Ours go sideways like cows, horses sheep etc. for grinding plants where omnivores are for shearing flesh. Our intestines are long to digest plants. Omnivores and carnivores have short intestines.
This guy keeps pointing to others, the government, them, as if his actions don't matter. If each individual just stopped eating animal derived products or wearing them, we would be better off and most importantly, we would stop the industrial scale exploitation, abuse and torture of innocent lives. Some of these animals don't live longer than a few weeks and some less so. They don't see daylight, feel grass, the sunlight or their mothers comfort that they crave and seek out as babies, just as we humans do. Individuals like this guy that thinks all that suffering is ok as long as they taste good for him is hard to believe....I mean, the degree of selfishness and gluttony, yet he has endless other choices. It's not like he has to climb Everest to get them. They are all around him. Still too hard for him. 😠
Do you know how many animals die when a field is plowed ? And if we stopped eating animals you know who would still eat animals? Animals. No vegetarian hate, it's a good diet for some 👍 just as a mostly meat diet is good for others.
Did you know that it takes 17kg of soy to produce 1kg of beef? Also 80-90% of soy is fed to cattle! Its extremely inefficient to consume meat and dairy, eating a plant-based diet actually reduces the animals killed enormously and we could instead be feeding the 10% of humans which are currently not able to access food. Also Im not trying to stop animals from eating other animals, but humans are doing it on a scale which is causing unmeasurable amounts of suffering and it is destroying the environment and having bad effects on our health. Don't take my word for it, have a look at studies, there's a lot out there now. Look at research done by the American Dietetic Association, British Dietetic Association and the UN.
@@Amber.For.Animals soy makes men infertile. It has pseudo estrogen, no good. I try to only eat grass fed beef.
This video below debunks your claim (about animals dying when a field is plowed). The short answer is: Yes some die, but veganism minimises those deeaths in contrast to omnivorous or carnivore diets which maximise those deaths:
ruclips.net/video/YNOBqvZFFdg/видео.html
No one ever said that veganism was the solution, but it is the closest your going to come to restricting pain and suffering to animals, reducing your carbon footprint and also reducing the prevalence of diseases of affluence such as obesity, diabetes, congestive heart disease which the consumption of meat, dairy and eggs (amongst many other factors) play a big part in.
@@VegaNorm79 Milk, beef and eggs do not cause those problems, that's propaganda from the same people who said smoking was good for pregnant women.
You are a carnivore and must accept your place in nature.
We are selective omnivores, not carnivores, which means that we can eat meat in times of necessity. Though are you in a time of necessity? If you have plant-based options available then why not choose them? They are better for your health, better for the environment and reduce the animals being killed. What's not to like? :) Don't take my word for it, have a look at studies done by the American Dietetics Association & British Dietetics Association.
@@Amber.For.Animals Ive studied biology, an animal with forward facing eyes and canines is a predator. You can push forward all the studies you like, but common sense shows us that vegans and vegetarians are depriving themselves of a part of their diet they evolved to be dependent on. I hope you accept your place in nature before it leads you to health conditions and a shorter lifespan.
so, you've been vegan for barely three years, and you already have 'caffeine funds' that should cover the costs and invested time in your activism. I don't understand why new vegan generations regard veganism as a source of income.
I see where you're coming from but I don't think asking for donations from people who may want to support my activism is a bad thing. I have invested a lot of money into equipment to put my activism online, as well as a lot of time while doing outreach. I'm simply offering the option for those who want to support me so that I can put more time into vegan activism as I still have food and rent bills. I'm not trying to profit, just make this a viable way to use my time so that I can help the animals while staying afloat :)
presumably, you should be paying for food and rent bills anyway, whether you are a vegan activist or not. however, monetary compensation for your activities casts doubt on the sincerity of your intentions, since it's not possible to draw a clear conclusion whether you are doing it out of moral obligation or material benefit. I have always believed that activism, of any kind, should be done by those who can afford it and not by those who need to be provided with resources first in order to carry out their activism.
@@v.a.n.e. I understand that position but don't I agree. What I'm doing is very common for activists, there are many examples of people who ask for donations so that they can spend more of their time doing outreach and less time on less meaningful jobs which they do simply to pay bills. If activism was only done by those that can afford it then there wouldn't be many activists atall... I have been doing activism for a few years and only recently decided to put it online and ask for donations. If you don't feel comfortable with what I am doing I'm sorry I offended you and don't feel like you have to stick around. I'm just trying to speak for the animals as much as I can and offering a donation service is simply to make this more viable.
@@Amber.For.Animals it's true that many vegan activists ask for donations for their activism, something that I even acknowledged myself in my OP, but just because they do it doesn't necessarily mean it's right. I am also an activist, but I have never asked for monetary compensation for my activism, as I do it out of my beliefs and convictions. however, if someone ever tried to pay me, then I would consider myself a shill, and no longer a moral but a job obligation.
what is really strange is why so many vegan activists decide to ask for donations, considering that something similar is not so prominent in activists who do not focus their activism on veganism. one gets the impression they would happily accept donations for advocating even diametrically opposite views to those they currently hold.
of course, I don't feel offended, nor do I think there was any reason to feel that way. I was just wondering how sincere you are in your activism.
@@v.a.n.e. @v.a.n.e. That's an interesting take. I guess that's your opinion and you are of course entitled to have that opinion. In my opinion asking for donations so that I can commit more time to my activism is in no way being a shill and I would not change my belief system if someone gave me money to. I am not trying to profit, just trying to find a way to commit as much time as possible to my activism in the hopes to reduce animal suffering. Through my activism I am very out of pocket with equipment and legal costs, donations are a way of giving those who aren't able to do their own activism to help me out and in turn help the movement a bit.
Anyway, I won't spend any more energy trying to convince you of my sincerity as that is an impossible task. I hope you stick around and enjoy my content, good luck with your activism also :D
People eat meat. People have always eaten meat, people will always eat meat. No idea why I'm getting recommended 300 view trash.
Maybe the universe (or the RUclips algorithm) is trying to tell you something :) Choose compassion. Go vegan.
"Some" people eat meat. 30% are now meat reducers. 8% of the population are vegan. 90% of vegans are educated to degree level.
There are no good arguments against veganism. None.
People have done a lot of horrendous things in the past, but times change. We as a species evolve past those terrible things.