The 7 Best MESBG Evil Army Proxy Kits
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Part 2 of our picks for the best proxies for Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game, focusing this time on the evil factions. We look at the none 3d printed miniatures that we think best represent the baddies of Middle Earth.
Let us know if we missed any kits.
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Since it's been a while a lot of new stuff also popped up. For the whole of Dunland faction you can mix and match and kitbash sets of vikings, saxons, germanics, gauls, dacians, persians and late romans from Victrix. Just mixing and handpicking the ones that fit the profiles of MESBG will already give you a good handful of miniatures for a good price and will look way more unique than you could ever hope for. Then you can add some more details to further focus on the resemblance and paint them to fit the appearances and voila!
These proxy vids are absolute gold - thank you for doing the hard research for us all - amazingly useful!
Thanks Richard! We may make more in the future so stay tuned and sub :) Do you have any proxy ideas that we haven't covered?
what are you working on in the hobby right now?
For Crebain I used the Zombicide Crowz from the Green Horde version of the game
Yes those are nice, I can't remember if I have some of those
you are absolutely doing god's work here, thank you so much. i'd love to see coverage of useful STL files available as well, whether they be terrain, proxy ideas, or even kitbashable bits. :)
Thank you sir! There will be more of this coming and we do want to include STLs, but we have a few conversion/ kitbash projects of our own to get out the way first. If you see any good ideas let us know. What are you working on right now?
@@windrushwargamers2745 Honestly I'm just getting started in the hobby! My dream is to eventually have everything I need in my personal collection to play through the Quest of the Ringebearer. At the beginning of the process, so just 3d printed a hobbit house for farmer maggot's farm, and working on building some trees. Davale Games does an impressive Smaug proxy as well, they call it the 'Dragon of the Cave'.
@@gentlemancorpse Well you seem to be off to a good start. Quest of the ringbearer campaign would work nicely. Will you document the QotRB anywhere? I did notice the Devale games Dragon after releasing this video, it does look awesome :)
Another tip for Black Numenorians could be Shadow Legionairs from Reaper
I am waiting for more. Scrupulous and diligent work. Good job.
Another proxy option for most Orc factions is the Wargames Atlantic Orcs/Goblins and the Warlord Orcs (Formerly by Wargames Factory).
While they don't quite fit the Peter Jackson look, they're really close to the older looks such as from the animated movies and from a lot of the older art for Middle Earth.
That's a good idea buddy. They could proxy for lots of orcs/ goblins. Stalkers, Hunter orcs, Goblin Mercenaries, trackers and on and on. A very diverse Kit
@@windrushwargamers2745 Both kits, from what I've seen are compatible as well for making a lot more variety
Fantastic video, could easily watch another hour of these! I'm going to pick up some Perry Zulus to try and convert up to some (far too tall) Woses.
Thanks Buddy, We may revisit this topic in the future - we have two more if you haven't seen them yet 😅Good stuff would like to see the conversions if you want o join the discord?
Great ideas! some obvious choices like davale, medbury and KzK weren't mentioned as much
Thank you buddy, do you have anymore ideas to add to the pile? could have a shout out if we revisit the topic
Great update with ?loads of fantastic advice
Thanks! Have you got any proxy ideas?
Great vid (as always). My only thing to add is that Mantic Games' Kings of War range has some great models - like most of the Northern Alliance army would fit nicely for Dunland
Thanks Buddy, I will check them out. Are you working on any proxies/ conversions right now?
@@windrushwargamers2745 Not currently. But I have some conversion ideas for some cheaper Iron Hills Goat Riders which I might eventually cave into making. There's Hobbit movie concept art of boar cavalry, and GW's orc boars are mighty tempting.
@@Depiff That's cool, are you using the goats from TT combat halfling's goats or the boars?
@@windrushwargamers2745 The plan is to use boars. My favourite part of the hobby is conversion projects and I think some war boars would make for a more interesting army aesthetically.... Oh no. I have enough models sitting in my to-do pile, but now I can't resist converting up some war boars! Damn you!
@@Depiff haha I have that effect on hobbyists. Let me know how they turn out
Nice video as always, also liked the one about proxies for the good guys. Got myself some Wars of the Roses Infantry to make some Axemen of Lossarnach, and maybe some Rangers/Bowman of Blackroot Vale.
Will you continue this series or will it end now? I think there are still some miniatures out there which could need some proxies on either side.
Thanks Kaos. Glad you liked it bud. I think we will stop for the time being so we can make some other videos, but we intend to come back to it sometime in the new year.
That sounds class, send me some pics through of the Axemen/ BRV archers
@@windrushwargamers2745 That's what I meant, didn't want you guys to only make videos about proxies :D
Glad to hear that there will be more of this content someday.
I happily will do, just finished the new witchking, think I'll start the axemen next, but still need to figure out how i will do the heads, i think the ones from the WarotRoses look a bit to unmiddleearthly.
@@Old_Shatterhans Thanks :) Yeah, I think we will focus on specific profiles as opposed to entire ranges in some cases when we do this next time.
Tying it back to Middle earth is always the tricky part. If you had some Minas Tirith Warriors you could potentially use their heads? No only would that tie it to ME but to Gondor Specifically.
Thanks, I have just bought a box of those spiders.
You're welcome mate, hope you enjoy them!
what other projects are you working on?
wish i had seen this before christmas ,fortunately though i found other proxies though yours are better joe!!!
Thanks, that is nice of you to say! Glad you like the picks.
I want to build up more knowledge on proxies and it's always nice talking to like minded people -so let us know what proxies you found.
I will make more videos on proxies so it's good to have more information in my back pocket :)
I'm actually currently using the Victrix Vikings as Rohirrim, with the Berzerkers as Royal Guard with throwing spears.
That sounds ace mate. It s diverse kit so I can picture it being used for Rohan also. Are you using bits for the mounted options also?
@@windrushwargamers2745 I'm actually using the Conquest Games Norman range for extra cavalry, but the Victrix Vikings are such excellent sculpts that it seemed wrong not to use them.
@@trenchardjj Very cool, is that because that's how you see them from the books as opposed to the PJ films?
@@windrushwargamers2745 The Vikings I mainly got to represent Grombold's men, who are described as being more wild and close to Dunlanders, while the Normans hopefully represent the more noble aspects of the society, having more refined weapons and armour.
As for design, I like that Tolkien left it a bit vague, with Rohan being generically Early Medieval. I do also have some of the GW minis for regular guys, but I like the variety for the specialists too.
Would love to see some fiefdoms tips. Great video!
Hi Atradies, We mention a few Fifedoms in this video: ruclips.net/video/-HLuNMi-hfU/видео.html
Let us know what you think, we will be making some more proxy videos moving forward.
@@windrushwargamers2745 Thanks, another great video. This content is super helpful for me. Would love to see progress on your Far Harad army. I really like the theme you picked. Its inspired me too.
@@AlexanderGiraldez Thanks buddy. means a lot. We plan to put together another video in the near future for the other proxies. It will be a mix of the viewer comment suggestions and research to did for viewer requests. So if you know of any good proxy ideas let us know :)
Thanks! I haven't done too much work on the Far Harad recently to be honest. I found myself getting caught up in other projects. Maybe I will cover them in more detail in a video when it is all said and done.
I tried the Victrix Vikings for Dunlending warriors but found they were a bit big - there's a variety of scales in LotR but they were just a little bit outside of it.
Damned shame as a few percent smaller and they would be just flat perfect.
You could cut off the platform the victrix figures come with, but tbh Dunlendings are taller than other men in lore so its a bit fitting
this is an awesome video will be rinsing the Korean and mahud sets! fireforge byzantine cataphracts are very close to the elusive Easterling kataphrakts
Thanks Stanley, We made the videos purely to research but it has inspired us to start new armies also :) Just looked, the Byzantine kit looks great.
Are you working on any other conversions recently?
expanding my khandish force with the Korean cavalry
@@stanleyharper7174 Sounds awesome bud. Let me know how they turn out
YEEEEEAAAHH!
Those perry miniatures work great for khand. Check out medbury miniatures for khand chariots that look great
Thanks Bud, I will check them out
Black guards of berad dur.
Amazing content love this stuff. Koreans is a fantastic idea I was looking at mongols but they didnt quite fit. Brilliant.
Thanks buddy. More of this kind of stuff to come. Have you got any suggestions for other proxies we might have missed?
@@windrushwargamers2745 Meirce minatures have some nice dragons/trolls but are a bit costly if you dont get them in a sale. I converted up some balrogs from their infernii minis. Whats your views on stuff GW doesn't do like 1st/2nd age? Cant wait to see future content!
Thanks @@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth. I will check out Merrce. My brother and I, have been talking about the doing some content for the channel on the 1st/2nd ages and even some unexplored bits in the 3rd age. These will be some custom scenarios for events that happen in the far past like the Kin Strifes' ect. We are hoping to do them later this year :) we will just need to convert/ proxy up some appropriate miniatures for it. We have a few ideas right now, but if you have anything you would like to see feel free to give us some suggestions here in the comments or via email.
..... no cave troll proxies?!
Im having a HELL of a time finding one that doesnt look like garbage or cost a fucking fortune.
Hi Mate, I have had a look. Aside from 3D prints I did find one that looks decent and scales okay.: The DARK ALLIANCE 72032 War Trolls (particularly Set 3). I think they are meant to represent Mordor trolls but at 1/72 scale they work better for cave trolls. Set 3 has the maces so that is probably the best one.
GW Cave troll is £18:50 for one. These seem to be between £6- £12 for 4 so a big saving. There as some available on ebay and from various Miniature vendors online.
I hope this helps and let me know what you think of them or if you find some more suitable ones
What your solutions for The serpent horde. They have several blisters.
Any ideas for easterlings?
Hi Taylor, hmmmmm... Easterling's are tricky. As Stanley mentions above- the Fireforge games Byzantine Cataphracts could work well for Easterling Kataphrakts (but after looking -I like the Byzantine Koursores for this also). Both linked here: fireforge-games.com/byzantines/694-byzantine-koursores.html and fireforge-games.com/byzantines/696-byzantine-cataphracts.html . They are almost half the price as the Easterling Kataphrakts and you could simply convert them by adding the top half of the Easterling Warriors. this could be really handy right now as they don't seem to be available from the webstore or from other vendors. The only thing that would be missing is the War drum. But I can see a war drum in this kit here for the Mongol heavy Cavalry Command: fireforge-games.com/mongol-horde/281-mongol-heavy-cavalry-command.html if you wanted one.
I haven't given Easterlings much thought as I don't collect them- but let me know how you get on if you give these ideas a go :) It would be handy if anyone else asks about them.
You should update these videos, there’s been a lot more newer releases through different sources, especially after watching your iron hills video too ❤
Thanks, will keep it in mind, what are you working on right now?
@@windrushwargamers2745I proxy Arnor with Victrix Saxons and Late Roman Armoured Infantry, you can kitbash them together to make dark age looking Arthedain/Arnor. The Arthur head of Late Roman on the fur lined robed saxon king looks alot like Arvedui. Although my Malbeth is currently a monk haha
@@yosimaruuj3348 That sounds great man I will take a look at them :) Do you have any other armies?
Any ideas for watchers of Karna? Help please!!!
Hi Buddy, I have had a think. If you wanted to kit bash I would pick up some historical sprues for the swords/ bows and modify the Harad warriors kit. But if you wanted some like for like proxies you could pick up these: www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1155745009/snake-ninjas?click_key=c8ce3071e97b92cdf0a555e2a84d514d8cd8bebe%3A1155745009&click_sum=733edba9&ref=shop_home_active_166&clickFromShopCard=1&frs=1&sca=1
I have looked around and these are the best, the link above is for the physical models. It should be a slight saving and the bonus is that they are actually available not like the official ones from the GW website. They are designed by Devale Miniatures so if you had a printer you could save even more money and print loads yourself by getting the STLs.
I hope this helps,
Joe
Do you know a good proxy for Azog and / or Bolg on warg and on foot ? thanks :)
I have this guy for an armoured Azog
www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1025700588/the-irreverant-super-orc?click_key=2987d07fe26e764649e270c81a0e607f66f1b867%3A1025700588&click_sum=47cf36d2&ref=shop_home_active_359&frs=1&sca=1&sts=1
Maybe this could be a base for Bolg?
www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1190289738/super-orc-warg-riders?click_key=182692bf72ffd87fc7385808b802942ad0818eb8%3A1190289738&click_sum=6080f802&ref=shop_home_active_171&frs=1&sca=1&sts=1
@@windrushwargamers2745 Thanks :) I knew the first one. So many proxy for "good" side heroes but not a lot for orc heroes :/
@@Ewansucy That's the issue :( let me know if you come across any. Would be a good resource to add to future videos. Happy Hunting
Haha - have you looked through my collection before making this video - even the 4 ground chariots….
Nils - how do you think we came up with the picks?..... :)
Out of Interest Niles, How do the 4Ground Chariots scale against the GW ones? Do they fit on the 60mm Bases?
The way you start your videos suggests you believe GW don't like or agree with proxies; but that is only true when buying from competitors and doing nothing to modify them over than a different paint job. But so long as you put some effort into making them fit in and unique GW have no issues you can even use them in most official tournaments. GW don't like people using unlicensed "rip offs" - like unreleased miniatures - with no modifications because it does damage there business and puts the license agreements at risk, but so long as you modify the models and make them "fit in" they actually see it as complementary to their business. Most of the models you have shown will be absolutely fine as they are based on real world cultures, stick a few shields and swap out some weapons and maybe some heads - like you suggested on your other video - and you'll have an affordable and usable army.
Just to add to this, artistic modelling - using green stuff or computerized design and 3D printed - is one of the main parts of the hobby. Just don't turn up with an entire proxy army with no modifications.
Not suggesting anything- 'your time and your money, spend it how you like'. We clearly like proxying.
Out of interest where do they state that they are okay with proxies so long as you modify them? Pretty sure they have a zero tolerance policy for proxies for playing in store/at official tournaments. Not sure if you could rock up at Warhammer world with a 3d printed army, modified with GW shields for instance and they would be fine with it.
Black Numenoreans example is súper good! They look fantastic! You used the heads out of the Perry miniatures box? And the Shirley too?
Thanks Bud :) I actually made whole video on the topic: ruclips.net/video/nPtuHVAyTEk/видео.html
It was one massive kit-bash :) I used plenty of the Perry Miniatures heads
what are you working on right now?