So bizarre when these relationships are like "they loved each other so much, they had so much fun together" and then 10 seconds later it's "they fought all the time, he was so jealous"
I think her drunken, incoherent ranting was the most accurate description of what actually happened. It wasn’t murder, it wasn’t suicide. It was two very drunk people fighting over a loaded gun and she MAY HAVE pulled the trigger - but it is VERY likely that his hand was over hers basically saying I DARE YOU! HERE - let me help you! Neither had intentions of shooting. This is the NUMBER ONE reason not to have a loaded gun ANYWHERE near you!!
@@TimTamRipple It's to deter him from breaking into her house unannounced. I've had to tell people before that if they showed up to my house unannounced before that we had loaded weapons, and they politely backed off. It's a way of saying "I am able to protect myself from intruders, especially when I don't know who is on the house."
His alcohol level was pretty high, so I would assume hers would be much higher too if they drank the same or similar amounts. A sad situation all around, but definitely not enough evidence to convict her.
This is why I hate guns. Way too easy to be in a bad head space and do something that can't be reversed. One stupid split second decision and someone is dead.
Having dated someone similar to the way he was described with the other encounter with the ex, I believe her. I’ve had to wrestle my ex with a knife as he threatened to hurt himself after I had picked up my phone to call someone to pick me up to get away from him. Worst part was a neighbor called the cops, and the cops saw a scratch on his arm that I had did when I disarmed him and automatically painted him as the victim. I eventually escaped the abusive relationship, but I learned to never rely on the cops because all it takes is one charismatic guy to discredit your trauma.
Om my gosh something incredibly similar happened to me with my ex but he was holding a box cutter to his throat and I was trying to take it away from him and it cut my hand this was in the middle of the street in broad daylight he also poured lemonade on me and the neighbors saw and called the cops I didn’t even realize my hand had been cut till I started walking back to my house which was about 10 minutes away so I completely understand being in a struggle and not really sure of who did what that was when I was maybe 16-17 and im almost 27 now and I still don’t know if he had meant to do it or if I did it to myself in the motion of trying to take the box cutter away from him. He did some other really crazy shit like pushing me out of a car and trying to run me over and stalking me after the break up so it’s safe to assume he probably did do it on purpose but I really don’t know.
And it's so common for abusers to be described as big teddy bears by everyone on the outside. So yeah I'm with you. Most people don't understand abuse at all.
Most trauma victims don't have the best recollection of what has happened in that moment, so her story being inconsistent in the beginning isn't that strange to me. I witnessed my ex being shot (not by me) and I could hardly tell the officers what happened when they interviewed me 20-30 minutes later because you have so much adrenaline and shock running through you and your brain wants to block that horrific memory out. It took me about 2 weeks to get the storyline straight of what actually happened that night and trying to remember what the suspect looked like. But on top of it she was extremely intoxicated, which just makes it even harder to remember you can hear how intoxicated she is in the body cam footage. I genuinely believe this was a horrible drunk accident on both parts, it's truly a sad case.
I think it’s so weird when people judge 911 calls. My husband passed out once. He hit his face on the floor. Blood was everywhere. He stopped breathing and then had a seizure. I called 911. I was screaming. I have no idea what I even said. I was just screaming to get the paramedics there. I remember she asked what happened and I literally just rambled. I don’t even know what was said specifically. I was just screaming for them to get there and screaming at him to please wake up. Like everyone is upset when people are calm and collected on the 911 recordings. But they’re also upset if they’re frantic. This 911 call is exactly what I would expect from someone that was shook at what had just happened. But it’s not accurate to decide if someone is guilty or not. And I am not defending her. I’m just saying 911 calls are too chaotic to be able to judge.
I completely agree. I work in the medical field, visiting people at their homes. I’ve had to call 911 many times before. Sometimes when I watch these videos I wonder if I ever had to be in that situation, would I be calm like I usually am or would I be hysterical? And if I weren’t hysterical would I be criticized for that? Ultimately I don’t really think you can judge someone on how they’re acting on a 911 call all the time.
I used to work 999calls (British 911) and honestly people can range from sounding abnormally cold to extremely hysterical. There are red flags in listening to these calls but lack or extreme emotion can just be how people handle emotional distress
I completely agree with you. I had to call the ambulance for my daughter when she was 3 months old because she couldn't breathe. I was hysterical. I was screaming, crying. The only thing I know for certain was that I kept screaming, "My baby can't breathe, my baby can't breathe, my baby can't breathe!"
YEP that was def a thing...what all the American Football players said...."What are you doing after the 'game'.....YEAH didn't see that as odd. Glad I'm not the only one (former American).
Caryn literally said he didn’t mean to shoot himself, and neither did she. I believe her. The lady doing the autopsy and everything she was trying to prove was based on him trying to shoot himself, which Caryn never said it was intentional. It was an incredibly stupid and avoidable accident, not murder. A sad tragedy really.
Exactly, thank you for putting into words what I was frustratedly thinking to myself. She was in her bedroom asleep, he shows up, then a struggle and the gun went off accidentally as he was gaining control of the gun. Alcohol and firearms don't mix.
Thank you! Not to mention, of course her testimony was inconsistent, she was incredibly drunk! You can’t I feel gate a drunk woman, if she was drunk during the incident it’s likely even she doesn’t fully remember what happened.
@@Hannahgs I was thinking the same thing, I think she never remembered & when you're UTI your mind kinda fill in the blank sometimes. She asked for an attorney when she realized that it looked like she killed him.
agreed. i really think it was a fucked up, confusing accident. sometimes people downplay how much being very drunk affects what a person does, how they react to things, etc. she was not lucid, it isn't an excuse but it is an explanation. imagine being completely loaded and ending up in a situation anywhere near that. having been pretty damn drunk several times in my life, not only is it hard to remember shit, it's hard to think straight or do anything really. i invite those who think she was calculated and decisive to get wasted and put themselves in a high stress situation. to me that sounds like a literal nightmare.
I don’t like the fact the cops were listening to her and openly stating that she was already working on her defence. The police need to learn to put aside their own bias when speaking with people who have just witnessed or committed a crime or incident. I mean, look at what happened with Gabby Petito when the officer couldn’t set aside his own bias when talking to her.
i absolutely agree with you. she wasnt starting a defense, she got in there to answer questions and srarted saying what happened????? like what do you even mean.
Exactly. It sound like he said she's already trying to make the defense that she's crazy. Why would he automatically come to that conclusion instead of trying to see if she was drunk, on drugs, or, I don't know, just shaking up about the fact that her boyfriend had got his face blown off? Like, tf. That part made me mad. I immediately reminded me of Gabby Patito.
The younglings don't know the "You just won the Superbowl, what are you going to do?" "I'm going to Disney World!" used to be a commercial/ very common reference at the time.
yes exactly, felt the same to me. It was an irrelevant question to ask someone who just got out of a huge mess. It was a silly question and they got a silly answer in reply. it wasn’t like she said next she’s going to vegas to have a blast.
Yeah, that's the way it sounded to me. Her tone of voice just screamed that she wanted them to leave her alone. She must have been pretty emotional and I doubt she had fully processed what had just happened.
“[Go] to Disney world” is a quote from a sports game where a reporter asked one of the winning players what he was going to do next and he said “I’m going to Disneyworld”. It was a quote everyone said for a while. Completely sarcastic but also relevant to the time period.
The first I’ve heard of this case and I truly believe a gun fell into the hands of two very intoxicated people who were not in the right state of mind. Tragic. I believe it was an unfortunate accident.
After struggling with alcohol for a while and being in a toxic relationship during that time, this story really makes me realize how quickly something like this can happen. I remember being confused during a lot of our arguments while drunk or waking up the next day not remembering anything. I feel bad for both of them.
I do too! So many people make so many assumptions that are incredibly unrealistic. Thing is, if you don’t go through a situation yourself, you can’t possibly understand it. I also think it was pretty dirty how the cops were going to speak to her when she was very intoxicated. The make officer was trying to coax her into speaking without an attorney. Typical!! Just crazy reading the comments and all the ignorance. I was so glad to see your comment. I believe the jury got it right. Too often nowadays we see people convicted, simply because the jury “doesn’t like them.” I’m so glad you’re doing better now. God bless you dear. Great comment! Thanks for sharing!
@@nunyabidnazz2311 yeah and people don’t realise what stupid stupid stuff u can do when you’re drunk, angry; depressed, confused… this is one of the reasons why alcohol is the most dangerous drug, not molly coke or xtcy💀 at least molly makes u happy and love everything lmao
The phrase about “going to Disney world” was said in sarcasm I believe bc it used to be a commercial in the 80s, and something about the super bowl.. it was probably bc the way the reporter asked it was very similar to the commercial. I don’t think they had enough evidence to convict her, and I actually do think it wasn’t intentional. I think they were both wasted, and a horrible accident!
So focused on the “she said he’s shot not that she shot himself” but looking at everything and what she said it seems that they were struggling over the gun and it went off & hit him. Doesn’t seem like she meant to do it & seems like she doesn’t want to say he shot himself because of that. It honestly seems it was accidental.
I think the same. Even if she shot him in anger, she was absolutely drunk and so was he. People make split second decisions when they’re completely drunk and terrible things can happen. Her 911 call is shock to me. She’s not in her right mind and she’s dissociating from what she did. It’s really common when something traumatic happens to dissociate and subconsciously deny what happened 😔 Your brain unconsciously creates an alternative sequence of events to protect itself. She clearly immediately regretted what happened. This is what happens when there is a lethal combination of: loaded guns are in peoples’ houses, people who get angry drunk and they make split second decisions 😔
I'm at a loss as to why her blood alcohol wasn't taken at the time.I think it could have shed a lot of light on the entirety of the situation. She's clearly inebriated on the 9-1-1 call and so she comes off questionably. He was also very drunk so he may also have been acting erratically. I don't think she could have had intent being as drunk as she was at the time, and I think her changing story is more likely due to being drunk than trying to change a narrative to fit emerging evidence.
honestly, if you’re drunk and fighting over a gun, both grabbing at it, i’m sure it’s possible to not know which person pulled the trigger and how exactly it happened also i think the disney world comment was her in a very emotional state after that, getting questioned and bombarded by the media, and she meant it as like she’s glad it’s over and she has freedom
I completely agree. Two people who are drunk, tired, angry with a gun involved…not enough evidence to be absolutely certain that she killed him. It could be that she was killed instead with the scenario. So sad.
@@sheriwl right ??? this is the only thing that made me feel a little weird. i feel like she shouldn't be put in prison for life or anything because they were both drunk and it was an accident, but doesn't even involuntary manslaughter get some kind of charge ? if someone hits someone drunk in a car they would still go to jail if they died, no ? so why does she get off with no punishment for killing him on accident ? in my opinion you just shouldn't be fucking around with a gun when you're drunk. i don't know if i personally think she deserves jail time. but i think she was lucky to not have any and i would be very angry if this happened to someone in my family and the person got off with no punishment. it was reckless for them to be fucking around with a gun while drunk
I'm sorry but when someone close to a victim says "they wouldn't have killed them selves" I just roll my eyes. More times then most people who's loved one ends their lives had no idea they were struggling
Most of the time those that are feeling that way will not tell anyone else because they’re afraid of what other people may think and they’re afraid that they’ll be put in an institution much like he was
@@briannad7702 I know when I was in a terrible place mentally I didn't want to make myself someone else's problem or worry my family. I also think generally recognizing mental illness can be hard because it often presents differently then we think it will
Yeah that is something that I 100% think shouldn't be brought into these discussions because it's really just pointless. It's worse than a polygraph test, given what is known about depression and mental illness in general it is not meaningful information in the slightest.
Right .. I struggle with depression and my entire family doesn’t know about it cause I’m still able to act happy in the presence of other people. It’s when I’m alone when my depression is on display (I live alone so it’s easier to hide it)
**"Her story was inconsistent": She was super drunk AND she is clearly traumatized. **"He had suicidal thought 5 years ago so it has nothing to do with the case": People that go through the stress of being institutionalized against their will are a lot less likely to come forward afterwards if they never got the help they needed or was traumatized by that event. **"The shot distance was inconsistent with a suicide so that must mean it was a homicide instead": If they were wrestling over the gun in close proximity to each other, either one of them could have been shot at a very awkward angle. *It seems like Dr Gee was not looking at this from a neutral stance and was simply looking for evidence that would fit 1 narrative of what happened. This whole case was super sloppy, from not testing her alcohol level to trying to find motive and reasoning.
Yeah, I used to watch Dr. G's show until it became clear to me that she was incapable of being unbiased. It wasn't like that with every case, but there were certainly a few that really turned me off.
I agree! Ive seen aot of Dr Gs episodes on TV. She started off as a nice person, who seemed to be objective on each case. But I think, (as happened with Dr Phil,) she let fame go to her head.
With the evidence available, they could not have found her guilty. Personally, I'm inclined to believe their relationship was toxic and this was indeed a terrible and tragic accident.
I thought the same. Yes, there was circumstancial evidence that she may have had a motive to kill him (purposefully) but the evidence of the situation itself was not consistent with that being the case. I actually had to look up Florida law for manslaughter and manslaughter defences because I felt slightly conflicted as to if I thought there was enough to say that she was legally responsible and concluded that at least under Florida law she truly couldn't have been found legally responsible for manslaughter with the evidence being what it was.
the way this case was handled in such a black and white way is honestly infuriating to listen to. it being disproven that it was an intentional suicide doesn't suddenly prove that it was an intentional homicide. personally all the evidence sounds to me like it was a genuine accident - and sadly it isn't surprising that two very drunk people handling a gun ended this way.
The fact that they chose to interrogate an obviously incredibly drunk woman in her nightgown was the nail in the coffin for me. Then having the balls to say “her story was inconsistent” as proof of her guilt, as if her being drunk was not an explanation for that. Imagine a lawyer trying to use witness testimony from someone who was intoxicated. It’s be thrown out!
"her story is inconsistent" Yeah I think that's what happens when a severely intoxicated person witnesses/experiences something deeply traumatic and is asked to recount it. Like what did they expect? 🤣
💯 idk who held the gun but it is without a doubt an accident not premeditated murder. The motives she mentioned are not motives to kill Maybe more in line with her killing his wife Sandra than him. Still clearly two drunk people in the heat of an argument trying to have a power play with a loaded gun.
Im going to watch it again. I couldn't concentrate on the video because I couldn't take my eyes off the doggie. He is so adorable with his little sweater😌❤
Two alcoholics in a toxic relationship fighting after a night of drinking, and high emotions. Honestly, she probably knew it was him, and wanted to act tough with the gun. He acted angry, and emotional, and wanted power over the situation, and grabbed the gun, and a drunken toxic fight ensued. At some point the gun was fired. I totally believe this was accidental for both of them. It's an unfortunate accident in a drunk and toxic relationship that probably had past fights of varying elevating levels. Not hard to believe honestly.
I've been in a relationship with an alcoholic. I've wrestled over weapons before. The suicide thing is also something abusive people like to use to scare others into doing things they want, which has also happened to me. In this case I believe her. I think it was an accident. She had the gun for a reason even after knowing it was him. Everyone describes my ex as an amazing guy who's not aggressive. Behind closed doors he's abused 3 women and has charges against him from two of us. Some may disagree, but no one knows you like your significant other. That's when the true evil comes out. Not guilty.
Why do police interview ppl who are wasted and then say “they’re obviously lying because their story changed/didn’t make sense.” Like yeah no shit, they were drunk smh. And even when she sobered up a bit, she only had a few hours of sleep at best, she probably didn’t even know wtf was going on. It sounds just like you first said, that she had the gun pointer at whomever came in, then held it up and he saw it and was sort of belligerent like “oh what, ur gunna shoot me?” And then messed around, struggled, and it went off. Hence the distance from his cheek, they were both pulling on it. Also sounds like he didn’t get divorced because he was still holding on to his marriage at least in his heart. Dating another girl for 4 years before this relationship shows that he wasnt in a hurry to change his marital status, but it didn’t hold him back from moving on either for some reason. Sad all the way around, they sound like they were terrible for each other and drinking way too much 😕 his poor kids man.
Thank you for the common sense. Imagine a defendant trying to use witness testimony from a person that was incredibly intoxicated when they witnessed and gave the statement. I have no doubt it’s be thrown out.
@@Hannahgs you can plainly read my comment here was from 6 hours ago or you didn't read it. I commented here first so take that misdirected anger elsewhere.
The “going to Disney world”thing was bc back in the late 80’s and 90’s super bowl winners used to say, when asked by reporters what are they doing next the response was “I’m going to Disney world!” It then become pretty much a meme before there were memes. It was used in commercials and in tv shows as punch lines. Was it tone deaf? Yes. But it wasn’t all that strange considering her age it would’ve been something she heard hundreds of times as a response to that question and it was just the first thing that popped into her mind and as her brain is probably going a mile a minute with relief and nerves and she didn’t think much before she spoke. I think it was incredibly insensitive but not intended to be.
@@CountStackula510 a very valid opinion and very possibly a correct one. I just know I say stuff like that at inappropriate things because humor is how I handle uncomfortable or stressful situations. Also my mouth and brain work way faster than the brain to mouth filter lol. I probably shouldn’t have based her reaction on how I’d react though bc I would’ve put the gun down the second I realized it wasn’t an intruder and was just my drunk bf who had no history of violence toward me. I just don’t get why she was cowering in the corner with a loaded gun when she knew who it was. Even drunk that makes no sense
Disney is considered "one of the happiest places on earth". It's an expression to tell someone how happy you are. That's why football players continued the saying after winning the super bowl. They are extremely excited/happy and what better place to continue that euphoric happiness than going to the "happiest place on Earth". She was happy and relieved. I would've been too if I had gotten off.
How is it not relevant to say he had threatened suicide before but is relevant to say he never would have killed himself because he loved his kids?? Obviously he could have killed himself regardless of who he loved. It's so irritating when people use that line, as though people with loved ones never committ suicide.
And the fact that the one who asserted that was a doctor..... but NOT a mental health specialist. She should know better than a non-doctor that they have specialties and huge knowledge gaps between them. Very arrogant if her to think she had the knowledge or medical authority to say such a thing.
Threatening suicide is not only a trait of someone who is depressed, it is also a common abuse tactic. He sounds toxic and abusive using “I’ll kill myself if you don’t do what I want”. He did it before to his ex wife, he was likely doing it to her too. It’s a common manipulation tactic done by abusive partners.
They were both crazy alcoholics and I'm not surprised only one made it out alive. She should've put the gun down when she realized he was not a strange intruder, and he should've taken her deadly threat seriously and gotten the heck outa there instead of taunting her. No tears shed over this case, the world is a better place with one less abusive alcoholic in it.
Yesyesyes I’m so glad someone said this. I’ve been in a similar situation with my ex-abuser before where he would threaten suicide if I didn’t comply, or if I tried to defend myself. I could totally see her trying to defend herself and him saying “oh you want to hurt me? Here let me do it for you.” I strongly feel she had a gun because she was afraid of him and he took it away and pretended to use it on himself to make her feel guilty for defending herself, but then in a struggle it went off accidentally. I don’t believe she is at fault.
This seems like a complete freak accident. I don't think she shot him and I don't think he committed suicide, it looks like a drunken accident brought on by the passion of the argument. The gun went off in the struggle, and here we are. I feel genuinely bad for her... she realized the consequences of getting that gun out as soon as the shot fired.
Agreed, one of the few cases where no one really seems at fault, just a drunken freak accident... I can't believe how bad she must've felt when she sobered up, poor lady
Agree, so annoying that everyone kept talking about suicide. She said he grabbed the gun and it went off. Kendall seemed to miss the whole point on this one.
I’m sorry the police brought an obviously drunk woman in her nightgown for questioning?? Do y’all not find that incredibly irresponsible?? You can’t question any inebriated person and expect a straightforward true consistent story. The gabble petito case is a perfect example of why I do not trust police to correctly identify a domestic violence situation. The fact that they brought her in drunk should be raising a million red flags. She is not in a frame of mind where she can even consent to questioning. The detectives need to be charged for doing that, that’s despicable. Not only all of that, which could easily explain her changing testimony and possibly make her not even remember clearly what happened, he has a history of threatening suicide to his significant other. And he kept secret the fact that he was married the whole time, but doesn’t that reflect poorly on HIM? It seems like that fact was only used against HER. I think the jury was right to vote not guilty. Even if you think she is guilty, the case was handled disastrously and maliciously and there isn’t compelling evidence of her guilt.
When you are a possible murder suspect. Yes they will just bring you in. They don't want you to have a chance to tamper with evidence getting changed or move anything at the scene around. This is not unusual actually.
@@celinabryan8841 I’m not surprised at all that this isn’t unusual because the criminal justice system is terrible and so are cops. There was no middle ground between taking her immediately to an interrogation room in her nightgown and leaving her at home alone? Like do you care at all about civil rights?
Ok this is NOT an indication of how I feel about this instance (haven’t even finished the video) but I totally get wanting to speak with an attorney. I’ve watched too many innocence project docs/read articles to ever be willing to speak without counsel. I don’t think it’s an admission of guilt at all.
Agree 100%. Until watching a lot of true crime cases and interrogations, I always believed if you have nothing to hide, why not talk candidly to the detectives? Now I know, don’t say a word without legal counsel.
@@just.R.A. exactly! Can’t trust anyone. I always thought, “well if you didn’t do it, it would be better to help them out.” Absolutely not. And especially for BIPOC folks. 100000x more.
Even as I was watching this, I commented to a friend that I'd get an attorney, guilty or not. I hear so many tactics used about interrogation to get a false confession and tricking people into saying stuff either in a way they can twist, or making them believe themselves they're guiltier than they are (ex: a detective *could* talk with Caryn and put the idea in her head that she shot him in the heat of the moment due to anger, even if that's not the case. And with the stress and exhaustion, her brain could take that and run with it.)
I was friends with an old Brooklyn detective, who told me that a lot of fatal shootings. follow someone saying “What are you going to do.. shoot me?” Because apparently, your unconscious hears “shoot me”, and, well.. does. I hope she gets sober. For the sake of everyone around her.
I honestly believe this was an accident. She doesn't say he shot himself because he didn't actually shoot himself because it was an accident. I believe they were fighting with the gun (both) of them...when they were drinking.
I agree. She went with the "he shot himself" defense out of fear. They were both blind drunk and acted stupidly. I believe it was an unfortunate accident.
Exactly, if someone had a hunting accident was accidentally shot I wouldn’t describe it as shooting themselves. I think she was answering “was it suicide” question. I’d say manslaughter for being stupid but doesn’t seem like it was intentional.
And based on how hysterical she's acting in the interrogation room, I have a hard time believing she wanted that man to die. Unless she's the world's greatest actress? You can't fake sobbing like that.
The inconsistencies in her story seem to stem from being drunk, emotional, and disoriented more than intentionally deceitful. Personally I'm not sure SHE even knows what happened. "We were drunk and there was an accident" seems true and is possibly the most details she can really accurately provide.
I wouldn’t have convicted as a jury member. Despite the story being iffy: I don’t think it’s “beyond a reasonable doubt”. And the Disney World comment felt sarcastic like, “WTF do you think, sir?”.
As someone who has lived through a pretty traumatic situation, I can say I really do think it was an accident just from how she was acting and the words she uses. I think anything can look bad if you look hard enough but sometimes it's actually more simple than it seems.
I agree.. If someone I cared about died like that and people are shoving cameras in my face. I would be telling them to f off! And i take her sarcastic comment as her way or telling them to leave her alone
my thoughts exactly, when she said he got shot like that in 3rd person to me that sounded like she was dissociating hard, how does one even begin to process something like that anyways :/
That 911 call gave me chills. No matter what your opinion is of Caryn overall, she sounded extremely traumatized & distraught in that moment and I feel for her. It would be terrifying to watch someone you love die in front of you, especially if you were just living your normal life five minutes before.
That sounded like bad acting to me. I get people act differently in traumatic situations but that sounded sooo bad to me that i'm surprised that the dispatcher on the line didn't just say ''that's the worst acting i've ever seen and i'm sending a police squad to arrest you immediately''.
I took the, "go to Disney" comment as a sort of tired, sarcastic, "just stop talking to me" response. "What are you going to do next" is a rather stupid question to ask. How would she know for sure after everything that had happened. Honestly, if I'd lost the love of my life, been accused of being the killer, had the prosecution parade a bunch of people who disliked me to bad mouth me to the jury, had a doctor with a bias try to condemn me with invalid testimony, and then get asked THAT when it was finally over........I can't say how I'd react. Her demeanor more reminds me of how I am when it's all too much and I just shut down. Maybe I see that because I have depression myself, but that ordeal can emotionally exhaust anyone.
In the 90s/early 00s, it was a popular thing for sports reporters to ask winners of big games "what are you going to do next" and they'd always say "I'm going to disneyland!", it ended up in some disney commercials and promos, etc. When this case took place, if you asked almost anyone "what are you going to do next", they'd respond that way. I agree with you that she just said it because it was the first thing that came to her mind and an easy way to dismiss the dumb question.
People on this board are giving such intelligent answers and yours is one of the best. Obvious her going to Disneyland statement was sarcastic. From the statements I heard her say, they did not seem to conflict that much! She kept saying it was an accident and not an intentional suicide!
Gut feeling: her character - based on witnesses - tells me that it's entirely possible she had a "heat of the moment" type situation. As far as actually proving it...i think the jury ruled the correct way based on the charges karen had and the evidence they were presented with. Makes it tough to separate your gut feelings from the law, but it's necessary.
I think they were functioning alcoholics who were in a tumultuous relationship. Unfortunately he died. I agree that the jury was correct . I don't think there is enough evidence to convict.
The responding officer commenting on how she's "coming up with a defense" is disturbingly unprofessional. All it shows is that they had made up their minds before she even got to the station.
Hiya my name is Alice and I don’t know if you’ll even see this, but I have severe anxiety and struggle sleeping most nights. I watch and rewatch your videos when I sleep because you’re a lovely human being and have such a kind warm energy that I find very calming. I just wanted to say thank you so much for creating content and being as respectful as you are.
@@leahflower9924..... because the pain we see is so much worsen that we feel we are not so bad off... a former severely anxious person at 75 yrs - who questioned this very question to my psycholgist
Just wanted to clarify something for y’all- Caryn’s Disney World comment isn’t as weird/incriminating as it seems- in the 80’s “I’m going to DisneyWorld!” was a common & standard response whenever an interviewer asked you where you’re going now. For real- it was a thing
I was thinking the exact same thing! And if you were being questioned like that, that could have definitely been the first thing that popped into her mind!
I think analyzing someone's words to this extent "shot" vs shot himself is futile. I believe he was accidentally shot while they fought over thr gun although I'm no judge
Idk what actually happened, but the jury really made the right call. They prosecution did NOT have enough evidence. There was room for reasonable doubt. They could not have found her guilty.
I think the most incriminating part that makes her look guilty is that, by her own admission, she did not lower the gun when she realized that it was her boyfriend in the house.
I wanna know more about her habits and routine. Did she normally have the gun locked and loaded at her bedside? Why did she “warn” Phillip that if he came home unannounced she might shoot? Did he usually text or call when he came home late at night? Did she use their drunken night as an opportunity? When she recognized him did she question herself and that’s why she didn’t put it down? I believe she saw him, hesitated, seriously thought for a second about doing it, then they fought for it and he got shot. Then she freaked out and realized she never truly wanted him dead, she was just irritated as hell with him and boom. There you have it.
I truly believe there was a struggle, she was so intoxicated and so was he. Personally from the footage you showed it didn’t seem like her story changed a tonne more as though she had gone from being drunk in a panic to sober and distraught, she probably doesn’t remember the situation as it seems like it was so quick. From her reactions I truly believe she was distraught over his loss.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Kendall and the prosecutor kept saying her story changed and I really disagree with that. The story is as consistent as a drunk person could possibly keep it. Everything happened pretty fast and she was wasted.
I agree. I’m from florida, specifically a reservation in south florida, and sadly these violent domestic disputes are too common. All adults seem to get wasted the way they did and it’s not that hard to see how an accident like this could happen. It seems like a horrible accident to me. Fueled by alcohol and emotions. This is sad
The whole time listening to the 911 call I was thinking “This is what people claim to expect from a frantic grieving person” and yet it’s still not good enough. I personally don’t think she malicious it was just a terrible accident.
@@ccc12346 she does but she’s an alcoholic. As a struggling alcoholic as well, we don’t remember every thing we did and although it’s no excuse for our actions, I think she is very sorry for shooting that bullet into his face and killing him. Drunk people get into fights and it’s awful that a deadly weapon was involved. I don’t think either one of them wanted to hurt the other or themselves
Did she shoot him? Yes. Was it intentional? No. I believe he tried to get the gun, they wrestled over it and BOOM. An unfortunate situation gone bad. I can appreciate her Disney World sarcasm.
I think cases like this where drugs, alcohol, toxic relationships, and seeming mental instabilities are existing all together… are just tough. The story could be so much more complicated than we can imagine. As someone who has struggled with addiction, mental illness and toxic relationships Im so thankful that I never accidentally hurt someone or I was never hurt by someone. Im glad to be living a better life. So yeah… I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure with this one.
I don't know why people thought it was suicide when it just sounded like an accident. Like suicide to me seems like an intention to kill oneself not accidentally kill themselves. Saying it was suicide because of depression even makes less sense because he was literally drunk no one thinks straight when they are drunk. I also understand the not putting the gun away because she had it up in the air to not point it anywhere. She could have been going to put it back but they fought over it. The police were definitely bias which led to tunnel vision. You could see it in the whole "sHe'S mAkiNg HeR dEfEnSe RiGhT iN fRoNt Of Us" statement
Right? She's also clearly super drunk so it makes sense that she wouldn't be acting rationally and didn't think to put the gun down when she first saw him
@@dotkiarika1026 I mean even if I knew the person but they were extremely drunk and I was extremely drunk I don't know if I would put the gun down because I don't know what they are going to do in their state. He obviously thought he could drive so he really probably didn't think he was that incapacitated
The police were unprofessional and communicated like ignorant, gossipy, nasty teen-aged girls. Cops are notorious for vilifying the victim as if it is fun sport to pounce their wounded and vulnerable prey.
I agree. I feel like Kendall presented that statement as if the cop saying that made it likely to be true. I saw it as evidence of the police having a preconceived bias before any autopsy was performed or any evidence had even been collected.
Honestly I think they had a fight in their drunk states of mind and it was an accident. She is clearly drunk in the body cam footage and I think she was truly scared of an intruder and of him in his drunk state of mind, because it sounds like he was talking crazy. Either way some of her behavior was strange but who are we to judge someone who went through something like this? We’ll probably never know the full truth.
Hey Kendall! Sorry this is unrelated but I just wanted to say how much of a joy getting a notification from you is to me. I use to always watch your videos in my room on the TV with my dog in the bed, just like you have your dog behind you. She passed this year and I miss her very much honestly. But idk, seeing your vids reminds me of those simple but wonderful memories I had with her. In many ways I still feel her on my bed watching your videos with me ❤️
Awe. I'm so sorry for your loss. I also lost my sweet fur baby a few months ago. The pain is undescribable. I hope you find comfort in the life and memories you shared with your sweet baby. Take care ❤❤
This was an accident, kellen didn’t go looking for Philip, he was in her house. They were both intoxicated and the inconsistency at the time she called 911 is understandable,she was drunk and then the confusion of your boyfriend dying in your house!!!.... I believe her . May Philip’s soul RIP
I don’t think that Caryn even knows what truly happened that fateful night. They were both so intoxicated. They argued, they fought and the gun went off accidentally. In my opinion
Good point I can remember being sound asleep completely sober and some friends from University came into the room in my hostel really drunk and dancing around with underwear round their necks and smoking a cigarette. I woke up the next morning thinking I had dreamt it all until I saw a cigarette in the pot plant .
I agree I do not believe she did it on purpose either , I guess I get the same feeling as you ..i think they fought over it an it accidentally went off
This woman was my landlord when this happened. I can honestly say she was a real character. She was out of contact when my lease ended and we moved out without ever hearing from her. It was months and months later that I found out about this case.
I don't remember if Karen's alcohol content was said, but as a child of an alcoholic and from a family of alcoholism, her police cam footage screams "not at all there". Her recollection is shot. She can remember flashes or even think something happened. It all goes out the door there. Yeah, its likely your story would change a lot. I even have vivid dreams when I am under the influence of alcohol that I can't tell reality from dream for a few minutes trying to piece together the night before. We've all said and done some weird or dumb stuff that is out of character. A struggle when a gun is in play is another thing, especially when both parties are heavily intoxicated. I don't buy the suicide bit. I do believe there was a struggle between two individuals that were very intoxicated and that it ended very badly.
I agree with the jury's verdict. Her 911 call and actions afterward, including the odd behavior, sounds like she had snapped due to shock. When your brain experiences trauma, as others have mentioned, it does not always process in chronological order or in coherent detail. The Disney World comment, being that she is in Orlando, seemed like a snarky annoyed response to the constant questions. She probably hadn't had a chance to process her freedom completely and was hit with interview questions. In the 80's and 90's after the the super bowl the athletes were asked what they were going to next. They always responded, "I'm going to Disney World!" It became a tongue and cheek response to something good happening. Her tone of voice sounded tired and unattached as she responded. That wasn't a real response...just a sarcastic response to an annoying question. I actually believe this woman this time. 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, the Disney World comment reminded me of the thing they always did after the Super Bowl/ football games when they’d ask the winners what they were gonna do now that they won and the winner would always say “I’m going to Disney world!”. I don’t know if that’s still a thing, but it was a trend back in the day. That’s how I took her saying it. Playing into a common saying during that time period.
Personally, I think the gun went off in the struggle. Both had their hands on it, emotions high and alcohol thrown into the mix. I think the jury made the right call, I don’t think it’s a case of beyond reasonable doubt.
As someone who has struggled with an alcohol addiction, they should take nothing she said under the influence to court and should have questioned her 100% sober. Even then I'm sure she doesn't fully remember what happened
I def noticed the difference in her coherency from the police-car/on-the-scene video to her interrogation - yet clearly still altered - footage. She was hard-out slurring & having had a flatmate who regularly got blackout drunk, I'd say that it made COMPLETE sense that her story kept changing cuz she DIDN'T fully remember what happened...and that she might LEGIT remember more clearly what actually went down 24 (or so) hrs later...or maybe not at all & she's just piecing together what she WANTS to remember. Cuz I've seen variations on both before...same flatmate...posted photos of her severely bruised knee saying what happened -she was at a party 3 houses down, plus HEAPS of way more private things I won't say. But basically just yeah, this shit can happen....N clearly she (Caryn) pissed (drunk/wasted), n he was at min over driving limit as well...all around not good...N I can totally believe that she wasn't sure what exactly happened & that her story changed cuz she didn't remember & didn't want to fully admit that she was blackout drunk...doesn't make it OK, just saying it could happen....N @Natlia stay strong n I hope you don't have the stories I saved my flatmate from....or those I'm sure I wasn't there for...n don't want to think about.
I always wonder how any words spoken to police under the influence can be admissible. Turn it the other way and a drunk person is an unreliable witness.
Came to the comments to say something similar. It's an much parodied (heavily in the 90s especially) response to the question "you just won ___ what will you do now" and considering the mental exhaustion that must come from being on trial, I can see my own brain uttering it.
yup...literally checked the comments to see if anyone else said it. I knew what she was gonna say the second they asked that question. It's so ingrained into our brains from back then. I definitely came off as sarcastic.
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This sounds like one of those relationships where when it was good, it was great and when it was bad, it was horrible. Like they could be extremely volatile and the alcohol escalated the situation. She was obviously intoxicated when she made that call. I don’t think she actually shot him on purpose. It really sounds like an accident. An unfortunate one but, nevertheless, an accident. I’m sad for his children. I’m also sad for Caryn. She has to carry this for the rest of her life.
"Go to Disney world" is a common line after someone wins big. They were berating her with questions; and ended off with "what are you gonna do next", which seems inappropriate to me. she responded with what, to me, seems like an adequate amount of sarcasm for the situation.
Yeah I totally agree. To think that was a “suspicious” comment is just reaching. It’s pretty obvious from the timing and tone that it was exasperated sarcasm.
So I’m from Florida and the “I’m going to Disney World” is an ongoing joke we always answer when asked what we are doing next. While I find her really suspicious I could totally see myself doing that out of habit to that question….
ThIs is the first comment I seen that addressed this. I commented it further up explaining that it was something that started in the late 80’s when Super Bowl winners gave it as an answer to the same question and it became basically a meme before there was memes. As a kid growing up in the 80’s and 90’s I heard that response thousands of times and am surprised so many people didn’t know where it came from or how easily someone who had heard it so much could give that response without thinking. Just off the cuff like you said. I would probably almost definitely say the same thing automatically if I wasn’t thinking “watch what you say” even then it’s my first thought to that question regardless of whether I say it aloud or not lol. And I live in Mississippi so while it’s probably more prominent in Florida it happens everywhere it’s an age thing for most places maybe a proximity thing for Florida 😂
I also remember it being connected to the Super Bowl. They always asked the winners what they were going to do next and the automatic response was "I'm going to Disneyland." (Or Disney World) There was even a theme song in Disneyland commercials with that phrase as lyrics.
He did say, "You want me to do it for you?" When you are fighting and struggle for a gun, accidents can happen. The gun accidentally fired and 3 to 6 inches seems about right when you are fighting arm to arm for a gun. I think the jury was correct on their decision for Caryn.
Exactly. I don't know why the prosecutors chose to prove that it wasn't su1cide by showing the angle the gun was in when she said he didn't mean to do it in the first place. Of course it's an unusual position to sho0t yourself. Plus they bring people to prove how how she was bad or why she would have a motive, but brush off the fact he literally went to another woman's home and somewhat did the same thing except she didn't have a gun? 🤔
The whole "Disney World" thing was something people would say on TV after winning something. I think she said it here out of sarcasm because she was tired of answering questions.
Yeah, that's what I thought too... because honestly I would probably do the same... like seriously, get the fuxk outta my face with those cameras. I use sarcasm as a way to control my anger, and cameras +microphones being shoved in my face would make me very angry.
I actually respect those detectives for the fact they have to tell someone that their loved one died . That would be the most emotionally draining thing ever for me . I’m so empathetic I would be crying like my partner died
On the "Disney World" comment, anytime someone asks me "What are you going to do now?" That is my exact immediate response, "Go to Disney World!" It's a really popular line from a Super Bowl Advert. and when I was in High School, everyone said. I even think it was in a few movies. --------------- Also, Officer Boop! I couldn't say that without cracking up! Kudos to you!
It is insane that someone in that line of work that a drunk, in distress woman, not being able to keep to one story and changes, means she is guilty. Both distress, and alcohol, significantly impacts memory. I would be MORE surprised and think she was more guilty of making things up if she had provided one solid story in that situation.
I agree that there was no sufficient evidence for her to be charged with murder. I don’t believe she did it with ill intent. Just two drunk people fighting over the gun and it went off.
"I'm going to Disney World/Land" was a Disney slogan, used in many ads in the 80s/90s. It was often uttered in response to that sort of question: "What are you going to do now?" I'm going to Disney World! - Wikipedia Also, it inspired this song by the band dada: Dada - Dizz Knee Land - RUclips
I’m sure other people have said this, but “I’m going to Disney world” is from an interview with someone right after their team won the Super Bowl, I think. They asked the player, “what are you going to do next?” And he screamed, “I’m going to Disney world!!” Something like that. It became a huge advertising slogan for them.
As someone who is a recovering alcoholic married to a recovering alcoholic…anyone who knows my husband would also say he’s a gentle giant. They'd say we had the perfect relationship. But they do not know him/us after having 10 too many. I believe her. This could have been us. Thank God we put a stop to it before something like this happened.
the thing that bothers me is that Caryn didn't say anything about Phillip being abusive or having anger issues, so I don't understand why she would still have the gun in her hand and her finger on the trigger when she found out the person in her house was Phillip, not an intruder...
From the story (sorry if I’ve missed or misheard anything) it sounds like when she saw it was Phillip she lifted her gun to the ceiling/pointed it away (possibly taking her finger off the trigger?), and then within moments he escalated the situation and the struggle took place (finger possibly back on the trigger). Not sure she’d have time to even place the gun down, and it doesn’t seem like she would even be inclined to if he was clearly drunk and volatile. She described an abusive situation, but that doesn’t mean she would necessarily identify him as an abuser to police if that was just what she perceived to be a normal relationship dynamic
Maybe because she was already in a fight or flight Adrenalin state that she just held on to the pistol, consciously forgetting it was cocked. Adrenalin is a powerful force when unintentional shit happens. And don’t forget, they were both drunk and not rational.
I've spent a considerable amount of time around drunk people and honestly its SO blatantly obvious in the body cam footage that she's very drunk, I'm surprised she could explain what happened at all its no surprise her story keeps changing or that it all happened the way it did. She probably doesn't remember a lot of it herself
I think it was two people who were drunk fighting. She told him not to come back she had a gun. He came back and I think she grabbed the gun to prove a point to him he egged her on and they just kept arguing and then things got out of control. They probably did struggle with the gun and it went off. I really think they were both at fault and it could have been either one who got shot. I think it was not intentional
Michelle.... I think your idea of what happened is the most probable scenario. I think it was accidental. However, there was very irresponsible behavior by both of them in this situation. First of all, never pull out a gun in self defense unless you are prepared to use it (if needed). Secondly, it's not wise to grab arms, wrists, etc. when a gun is involved.
Great show. Thank you for bringing this case to our attention. You know, without having been a juror and having the opportunity to hear ALL testimony, it just is fruitless to say whether justice was served. A man is dead! I do believe that the system worked. The prosecution clearly failed to PROVE their accusations/charges. That lands solely on them. Regardless, if I was in her position, on the night of the Phillip's death, I would have immediately asked for an attorney before answering any questions whether I was guilty or not. In my firearms training, during and immediately after a person is involved in a shooting, they are not truly able to recall details for a period of time and in the want to please the authority's a person MAY say something that proves later to be untrue/inaccurate. Not because they are being deceptive but due to the fight/flight response to trauma. I really "enjoy" going through these cases and drawing my own opinions on things. This channel brings attention and value to people who have lost loved ones and just want justice. Thank you Kendall!
I honestly feel like this was probably just a drunk accident that she possibly doesn’t even recall entirely. I think they were likely both drunken fighting and the gun went off, maybe karen even in a drunken state of panic tried to emphasise hun shooting himself cause she was scared people would think she killed him. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say she intentionally killed him and believe the jury made the right decision
I did think she was lying because she clearly is but maybe that's because she doesn't remember what actually happened. I forget stuff when I'm drunk so good point.
I'm constantly amazed at how frustrated and irritable these 911 operators sound with people when they're obviously in extreme distress. i understand they may not be able to make out what they're saying, but it's natural people are going to be acting out of their minds in a lot of situations.
I agree but also they have to attempt to write up a report to send to responding officers so they know what they’re going into and when you can understand what people are screaming, it’s hard to know who and how many officers to send, and whether or not there is anyone armed at the scene
I truly believe it was an accident. They were tugging at the gun back and forth he got it out of her hand finger hit the trigger as he pulls it away from her. As for the Disney comment you can tell she's tired and worn-out and didn't want to answer any more questions so sarcastically saying she's going to go to Disney.
As a domestic violence survivor I could see all the red flags in Philip. If I hadn’t gotten out of it as soon as I did I probably could had snapped. I was suffering extremely mentally and even had violent thoughts about my abuser. My psychologist it’s completely normal and it’s called reactive abuse
I would bet that all of us that have been in a toxic/uber unhealthy passionate relationship can understand how something like this would happen, especially when alcohol is involved. A real tragedy
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If they both were struggling to take control over the gun, of course it's not going to fit the standard suicide pattern. That doesn't mean he didn't pull the trigger. (But also I doesn't make it a suicide, I think idk) That was a dumb statement from the pathologist. Also even though Karen's behaviors seem sketchy, having a possible motive doesn't prove anything.
that’s what i’m thinking! did karen ever say that he wanted to kill himself? no, she said he got shot in a struggle to grab the gun. I just do not get why they strawmanned her. them trying to prove that he wasn’t suicidal is so unnecessary in my mind.
The Disney comment isn't all that strange, especially for the time. It was a very common answer for "what will you do now?" I think it started after a Super Bowl. There is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to "I'm Going to Disney World."
"What are you going to do next" "im going to disneyworld" is a reference to an old 90s disneyworld ad. A poor time for a joke, but it wasn't out of nowhere.
Honestly, her 911 call feels pretty real to me. I can definitely see someone who has never shot someone to panic and react like this. Your emotions are all over the place you know. Seems like she was afraid he would do something, but at the same time never intended to really hurt him. I do kind of believe her. I don't know if I believe the whole story, but I do believe an on edge fight could lead to a wrestle for a gun. As a woman we do expect violence from men even men we know who have never harmed us can trigger these feelings. When I was young and freshly married I once thought my husband was actually trying to hurt me and I pulled a knife on him. He was just messing with me, but I had NO IDEA. I have PTSD so he realized that it was just a bad way to mess with me because I will take them seriously as my experience has taught me I will be harmed if I don't. But it was a very learnable moment for both of us.
I've heard of these kind of cases before and it's always said that guns cannot accidentally go off, because it takes some pressure to pull the trigger. Is this not always true of certain guns.? I can't imagine that someone "drunk" could keep the pressure on the trigger, especially if they were "fighting". I think she had found out he was going to finish with her (probably still in love and possibly seeing his ex) and wanted to hurt him, but probably didn't intend to kill him.
Guns actually don’t need that much pressure, all you need to do is squeeze the trigger once (not keeping pressure on it) and it will fire, the problem they had was being drunk and fighting for control of the gun, impossible to know who pulled the trigger but with the awkward angle of the shot itself and the fact that they were both just grappling for any purchase they could find on the gun it makes total sense to me that it went off without either of them intending for it to.
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So bizarre when these relationships are like "they loved each other so much, they had so much fun together" and then 10 seconds later it's "they fought all the time, he was so jealous"
agreed. very toxic relationships seem to fluctuate like that.
Right !? Which is it ???
It often starts great until they start showing their true selves. Then it starts going downhill.
Exactly. It’s beyond dumb
Typical toxic behavior. Mistaking lust for love.
I think her drunken, incoherent ranting was the most accurate description of what actually happened. It wasn’t murder, it wasn’t suicide. It was two very drunk people fighting over a loaded gun and she MAY HAVE pulled the trigger - but it is VERY likely that his hand was over hers basically saying I DARE YOU! HERE - let me help you! Neither had intentions of shooting. This is the NUMBER ONE reason not to have a loaded gun ANYWHERE near you!!
So was there gunshot residue testing?
Why did she make a point of telling him that she had a gun and not to come home unannounced??? That’s a bit suspish to me.
@@TimTamRipple It's to deter him from breaking into her house unannounced. I've had to tell people before that if they showed up to my house unannounced before that we had loaded weapons, and they politely backed off. It's a way of saying "I am able to protect myself from intruders, especially when I don't know who is on the house."
I agree with you.
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I think it likely was a drunken accident she doesn’t recall clearly, they both seem like they were troubled.
for real. it's so easy to pull the trigger when you're fighting over the gun, drunk, and in a rage.
True. They seemed to be drinking a lot from all the empty bottles, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually didn't remember any of the details clearly.
His alcohol level was pretty high, so I would assume hers would be much higher too if they drank the same or similar amounts. A sad situation all around, but definitely not enough evidence to convict her.
I think you're exactly right. They want the story of a drunk person to stay consistent? That's not likely.
This is why I hate guns. Way too easy to be in a bad head space and do something that can't be reversed. One stupid split second decision and someone is dead.
Having dated someone similar to the way he was described with the other encounter with the ex, I believe her. I’ve had to wrestle my ex with a knife as he threatened to hurt himself after I had picked up my phone to call someone to pick me up to get away from him. Worst part was a neighbor called the cops, and the cops saw a scratch on his arm that I had did when I disarmed him and automatically painted him as the victim. I eventually escaped the abusive relationship, but I learned to never rely on the cops because all it takes is one charismatic guy to discredit your trauma.
Om my gosh something incredibly similar happened to me with my ex but he was holding a box cutter to his throat and I was trying to take it away from him and it cut my hand this was in the middle of the street in broad daylight he also poured lemonade on me and the neighbors saw and called the cops I didn’t even realize my hand had been cut till I started walking back to my house which was about 10 minutes away so I completely understand being in a struggle and not really sure of who did what that was when I was maybe 16-17 and im almost 27 now and I still don’t know if he had meant to do it or if I did it to myself in the motion of trying to take the box cutter away from him. He did some other really crazy shit like pushing me out of a car and trying to run me over and stalking me after the break up so it’s safe to assume he probably did do it on purpose but I really don’t know.
And it's so common for abusers to be described as big teddy bears by everyone on the outside. So yeah I'm with you. Most people don't understand abuse at all.
Most trauma victims don't have the best recollection of what has happened in that moment, so her story being inconsistent in the beginning isn't that strange to me. I witnessed my ex being shot (not by me) and I could hardly tell the officers what happened when they interviewed me 20-30 minutes later because you have so much adrenaline and shock running through you and your brain wants to block that horrific memory out. It took me about 2 weeks to get the storyline straight of what actually happened that night and trying to remember what the suspect looked like. But on top of it she was extremely intoxicated, which just makes it even harder to remember you can hear how intoxicated she is in the body cam footage. I genuinely believe this was a horrible drunk accident on both parts, it's truly a sad case.
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Well said and totally agree
I agree. There just doesn't seem to be any other logical explanation.
I was going to say this same exact thing.
Also I'm sorry you went through that
I love the way Kendall says "Officer Boop" with a straight face
Right? 🤣
I’m glad we are all focused on that name 😩🥺how cute
LOL!!!
I bet it took a few takes 😆
@@kyladio93 honestly, I'd be laughing the whole time😭😭
I think it’s so weird when people judge 911 calls. My husband passed out once. He hit his face on the floor. Blood was everywhere. He stopped breathing and then had a seizure.
I called 911. I was screaming. I have no idea what I even said. I was just screaming to get the paramedics there. I remember she asked what happened and I literally just rambled. I don’t even know what was said specifically. I was just screaming for them to get there and screaming at him to please wake up.
Like everyone is upset when people are calm and collected on the 911 recordings. But they’re also upset if they’re frantic.
This 911 call is exactly what I would expect from someone that was shook at what had just happened. But it’s not accurate to decide if someone is guilty or not.
And I am not defending her. I’m just saying 911 calls are too chaotic to be able to judge.
I completely agree. I work in the medical field, visiting people at their homes. I’ve had to call 911 many times before. Sometimes when I watch these videos I wonder if I ever had to be in that situation, would I be calm like I usually am or would I be hysterical? And if I weren’t hysterical would I be criticized for that? Ultimately I don’t really think you can judge someone on how they’re acting on a 911 call all the time.
I used to work 999calls (British 911) and honestly people can range from sounding abnormally cold to extremely hysterical. There are red flags in listening to these calls but lack or extreme emotion can just be how people handle emotional distress
I completely agree with you. I had to call the ambulance for my daughter when she was 3 months old because she couldn't breathe. I was hysterical. I was screaming, crying. The only thing I know for certain was that I kept screaming, "My baby can't breathe, my baby can't breathe, my baby can't breathe!"
There's people judging that? Like you said, this is the kind of reaction I would expect. People have lost their brains to social media wtf.
@@beckier.l7399 oh yes. They’re frequently used in court cases and often when youtubers do videos on them they judge them too. It’s crazy.
To me, the "Go to Disneyland." response sounded like sarcasm. Like a stupid answer to a stupid question because she was annoyed by the reporters.
YEP that was def a thing...what all the American Football players said...."What are you doing after the 'game'.....YEAH didn't see that as odd. Glad I'm not the only one (former American).
Okay glad I’m not the only one that thought that too
Yep, I totally took it as sarcasm or her joking around. I didn't think it was weird at all
I knew that was going to be what she said before she said it. It’s just a saying.
I instantly thought it lol
Caryn literally said he didn’t mean to shoot himself, and neither did she. I believe her. The lady doing the autopsy and everything she was trying to prove was based on him trying to shoot himself, which Caryn never said it was intentional. It was an incredibly stupid and avoidable accident, not murder. A sad tragedy really.
Exactly, thank you for putting into words what I was frustratedly thinking to myself. She was in her bedroom asleep, he shows up, then a struggle and the gun went off accidentally as he was gaining control of the gun. Alcohol and firearms don't mix.
Yes, one the more believable 911 calls I've heard. You can hear the alcohol and the shock in her voice
Thank you! Not to mention, of course her testimony was inconsistent, she was incredibly drunk! You can’t I feel gate a drunk woman, if she was drunk during the incident it’s likely even she doesn’t fully remember what happened.
@@Hannahgs I was thinking the same thing, I think she never remembered & when you're UTI your mind kinda fill in the blank sometimes. She asked for an attorney when she realized that it looked like she killed him.
agreed. i really think it was a fucked up, confusing accident. sometimes people downplay how much being very drunk affects what a person does, how they react to things, etc. she was not lucid, it isn't an excuse but it is an explanation. imagine being completely loaded and ending up in a situation anywhere near that. having been pretty damn drunk several times in my life, not only is it hard to remember shit, it's hard to think straight or do anything really. i invite those who think she was calculated and decisive to get wasted and put themselves in a high stress situation. to me that sounds like a literal nightmare.
I don’t like the fact the cops were listening to her and openly stating that she was already working on her defence. The police need to learn to put aside their own bias when speaking with people who have just witnessed or committed a crime or incident. I mean, look at what happened with Gabby Petito when the officer couldn’t set aside his own bias when talking to her.
i absolutely agree with you. she wasnt starting a defense, she got in there to answer questions and srarted saying what happened????? like what do you even mean.
Exactly, I believe this was accidental and no one can change my mind! I’m starting to hate police officers myself and I’m a Republican.
Agreed
Exactly. It sound like he said she's already trying to make the defense that she's crazy. Why would he automatically come to that conclusion instead of trying to see if she was drunk, on drugs, or, I don't know, just shaking up about the fact that her boyfriend had got his face blown off? Like, tf. That part made me mad. I immediately reminded me of Gabby Patito.
Agreed! Completely inappropriate!
I think her “Go to Disney World” was her way of saying, “F*** off and get out of my face,” not a serious reply
The younglings don't know the "You just won the Superbowl, what are you going to do?" "I'm going to Disney World!" used to be a commercial/ very common reference at the time.
@@ellenmint Came to the comments to see if I'm just THAT old or not lol apparently I am!
i thought the exact same thing. it was a sarcastic the f away from me comment.
yes exactly, felt the same to me. It was an irrelevant question to ask someone who just got out of a huge mess. It was a silly question and they got a silly answer in reply. it wasn’t like she said next she’s going to vegas to have a blast.
Yeah, that's the way it sounded to me. Her tone of voice just screamed that she wanted them to leave her alone. She must have been pretty emotional and I doubt she had fully processed what had just happened.
“[Go] to Disney world” is a quote from a sports game where a reporter asked one of the winning players what he was going to do next and he said “I’m going to Disneyworld”. It was a quote everyone said for a while. Completely sarcastic but also relevant to the time period.
I want to know if officer Boop has trouble with people taking him seriously.
Yes! I'm working and listening and I heard Officer Boop and it was jarring... lol
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That's the sound I make lightly pressing my finger on a baby's nose: boop. And then she smiles with happiest face in the world.
imagine being pulled over and you roll down the window to “good evening I’m officer boop, do you know why i pulled you over tonight?” id LOSE IT
I was gonna comment this but I didn’t want to seem insensitive lol
I must admit that I giggled
officer boop legit made me chuckle…i’m so childish 😭
SAMEEE LMFAO
I heard boop and I oop
I even rewind it to make sure I can laugh or not😂
Same. My cat is with me and I booped his nose lol
11:32 to boop Kendall
The first I’ve heard of this case and I truly believe a gun fell into the hands of two very intoxicated people who were not in the right state of mind. Tragic. I believe it was an unfortunate accident.
Agreed 100%
I concur 💯
Yes, I think that is exactly what happened. 👍
After struggling with alcohol for a while and being in a toxic relationship during that time, this story really makes me realize how quickly something like this can happen. I remember being confused during a lot of our arguments while drunk or waking up the next day not remembering anything. I feel bad for both of them.
I do too! So many people make so many assumptions that are incredibly unrealistic. Thing is, if you don’t go through a situation yourself, you can’t possibly understand it. I also think it was pretty dirty how the cops were going to speak to her when she was very intoxicated. The make officer was trying to coax her into speaking without an attorney. Typical!! Just crazy reading the comments and all the ignorance. I was so glad to see your comment. I believe the jury got it right. Too often nowadays we see people convicted, simply because the jury “doesn’t like them.” I’m so glad you’re doing better now. God bless you dear. Great comment! Thanks for sharing!
@@nunyabidnazz2311 im just now seeing this comment but thank you so much 😭 i needed that today! 💗
@@nunyabidnazz2311 yeah and people don’t realise what stupid stupid stuff u can do when you’re drunk, angry; depressed, confused… this is one of the reasons why alcohol is the most dangerous drug, not molly coke or xtcy💀 at least molly makes u happy and love everything lmao
I feel bad for him. He’s the one that’s dead…..
You should cover the case of Bobby Kent! He was a high school bully who was murdered by a group of his victims in 1993 - such a wild story!
that sounds interesting asf
theres a great podcast on this by crimes of passion!
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@@02puwina the plot against him is dark but fascinating
Sounds interesting!
The phrase about “going to Disney world” was said in sarcasm I believe bc it used to be a commercial in the 80s, and something about the super bowl.. it was probably bc the way the reporter asked it was very similar to the commercial. I don’t think they had enough evidence to convict her, and I actually do think it wasn’t intentional. I think they were both wasted, and a horrible accident!
I'm with you in that the "Going to Disneyland" phrase was said in a sarcastic manner.
That's exactly what I came here to say. The Disney tagline from the 80s commercials!
Am with you on this one I truly believe it was an accident
Yes 🙌
agreed! came to the comments to see who else felt the same
So focused on the “she said he’s shot not that she shot himself” but looking at everything and what she said it seems that they were struggling over the gun and it went off & hit him. Doesn’t seem like she meant to do it & seems like she doesn’t want to say he shot himself because of that. It honestly seems it was accidental.
I really really agree. I actually felt for her
I think the same. Even if she shot him in anger, she was absolutely drunk and so was he. People make split second decisions when they’re completely drunk and terrible things can happen.
Her 911 call is shock to me. She’s not in her right mind and she’s dissociating from what she did. It’s really common when something traumatic happens to dissociate and subconsciously deny what happened 😔 Your brain unconsciously creates an alternative sequence of events to protect itself. She clearly immediately regretted what happened.
This is what happens when there is a lethal combination of: loaded guns are in peoples’ houses, people who get angry drunk and they make split second decisions 😔
i agree i think the story is so hazy because she was so so drunk
Agreed completely!
I'm at a loss as to why her blood alcohol wasn't taken at the time.I think it could have shed a lot of light on the entirety of the situation. She's clearly inebriated on the 9-1-1 call and so she comes off questionably. He was also very drunk so he may also have been acting erratically. I don't think she could have had intent being as drunk as she was at the time, and I think her changing story is more likely due to being drunk than trying to change a narrative to fit emerging evidence.
honestly, if you’re drunk and fighting over a gun, both grabbing at it, i’m sure it’s possible to not know which person pulled the trigger and how exactly it happened
also i think the disney world comment was her in a very emotional state after that, getting questioned and bombarded by the media, and she meant it as like she’s glad it’s over and she has freedom
I completely agree. Two people who are drunk, tired, angry with a gun involved…not enough evidence to be absolutely certain that she killed him. It could be that she was killed instead with the scenario. So sad.
Yes! I believe thar too!
Guns and alcohol don't mix regardless of what people in the south Midwest and west will say lol
agreed. But the recording of her 9.1.1 call. Whoa. Seems like world's worst acting
@@sheriwl right ??? this is the only thing that made me feel a little weird. i feel like she shouldn't be put in prison for life or anything because they were both drunk and it was an accident, but doesn't even involuntary manslaughter get some kind of charge ? if someone hits someone drunk in a car they would still go to jail if they died, no ? so why does she get off with no punishment for killing him on accident ? in my opinion you just shouldn't be fucking around with a gun when you're drunk. i don't know if i personally think she deserves jail time. but i think she was lucky to not have any and i would be very angry if this happened to someone in my family and the person got off with no punishment. it was reckless for them to be fucking around with a gun while drunk
I'm sorry but when someone close to a victim says "they wouldn't have killed them selves" I just roll my eyes. More times then most people who's loved one ends their lives had no idea they were struggling
Ugh, I know. You could never 100% say someone would never do that bc it's more than likely that they were just good at hiding it.
Most of the time those that are feeling that way will not tell anyone else because they’re afraid of what other people may think and they’re afraid that they’ll be put in an institution much like he was
@@briannad7702 I know when I was in a terrible place mentally I didn't want to make myself someone else's problem or worry my family. I also think generally recognizing mental illness can be hard because it often presents differently then we think it will
Yeah that is something that I 100% think shouldn't be brought into these discussions because it's really just pointless. It's worse than a polygraph test, given what is known about depression and mental illness in general it is not meaningful information in the slightest.
Right .. I struggle with depression and my entire family doesn’t know about it cause I’m still able to act happy in the presence of other people. It’s when I’m alone when my depression is on display (I live alone so it’s easier to hide it)
**"Her story was inconsistent": She was super drunk AND she is clearly traumatized.
**"He had suicidal thought 5 years ago so it has nothing to do with the case": People that go through the stress of being institutionalized against their will are a lot less likely to come forward afterwards if they never got the help they needed or was traumatized by that event.
**"The shot distance was inconsistent with a suicide so that must mean it was a homicide instead": If they were wrestling over the gun in close proximity to each other, either one of them could have been shot at a very awkward angle.
*It seems like Dr Gee was not looking at this from a neutral stance and was simply looking for evidence that would fit 1 narrative of what happened. This whole case was super sloppy, from not testing her alcohol level to trying to find motive and reasoning.
Yeah, I used to watch Dr. G's show until it became clear to me that she was incapable of being unbiased. It wasn't like that with every case, but there were certainly a few that really turned me off.
I agree!! I used to love her show but she’s just so ugh.
I also agree with this comment 100%
So true
I agree! Ive seen aot of Dr Gs episodes on TV. She started off as a nice person, who seemed to be objective on each case. But I think, (as happened with Dr Phil,) she let fame go to her head.
With the evidence available, they could not have found her guilty. Personally, I'm inclined to believe their relationship was toxic and this was indeed a terrible and tragic accident.
I thought the same. Yes, there was circumstancial evidence that she may have had a motive to kill him (purposefully) but the evidence of the situation itself was not consistent with that being the case.
I actually had to look up Florida law for manslaughter and manslaughter defences because I felt slightly conflicted as to if I thought there was enough to say that she was legally responsible and concluded that at least under Florida law she truly couldn't have been found legally responsible for manslaughter with the evidence being what it was.
I agree.
Agreed!
Same I truly think it was an accident and I normally don’t!
I agree.
the way this case was handled in such a black and white way is honestly infuriating to listen to. it being disproven that it was an intentional suicide doesn't suddenly prove that it was an intentional homicide. personally all the evidence sounds to me like it was a genuine accident - and sadly it isn't surprising that two very drunk people handling a gun ended this way.
The fact that they chose to interrogate an obviously incredibly drunk woman in her nightgown was the nail in the coffin for me. Then having the balls to say “her story was inconsistent” as proof of her guilt, as if her being drunk was not an explanation for that. Imagine a lawyer trying to use witness testimony from someone who was intoxicated. It’s be thrown out!
"her story is inconsistent"
Yeah I think that's what happens when a severely intoxicated person witnesses/experiences something deeply traumatic and is asked to recount it.
Like what did they expect? 🤣
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💯 idk who held the gun but it is without a doubt an accident not premeditated murder. The motives she mentioned are not motives to kill Maybe more in line with her killing his wife Sandra than him. Still clearly two drunk people in the heat of an argument trying to have a power play with a loaded gun.
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Im going to watch it again. I couldn't concentrate on the video because I couldn't take my eyes off the doggie. He is so adorable with his little sweater😌❤
@@thequeenofwitches7943 same. The sweater is adorable and that lil face melts my heart. Such a precious Lil floof 💕
@@thequeenofwitches7943 , right? I'm pretty sure I tune in to these videos about 20% for Kendall and 80% Bernie. 😊
Two alcoholics in a toxic relationship fighting after a night of drinking, and high emotions. Honestly, she probably knew it was him, and wanted to act tough with the gun. He acted angry, and emotional, and wanted power over the situation, and grabbed the gun, and a drunken toxic fight ensued. At some point the gun was fired. I totally believe this was accidental for both of them. It's an unfortunate accident in a drunk and toxic relationship that probably had past fights of varying elevating levels. Not hard to believe honestly.
I've been in a relationship with an alcoholic. I've wrestled over weapons before. The suicide thing is also something abusive people like to use to scare others into doing things they want, which has also happened to me. In this case I believe her. I think it was an accident. She had the gun for a reason even after knowing it was him. Everyone describes my ex as an amazing guy who's not aggressive. Behind closed doors he's abused 3 women and has charges against him from two of us. Some may disagree, but no one knows you like your significant other. That's when the true evil comes out. Not guilty.
Me too sadly
Why do police interview ppl who are wasted and then say “they’re obviously lying because their story changed/didn’t make sense.” Like yeah no shit, they were drunk smh. And even when she sobered up a bit, she only had a few hours of sleep at best, she probably didn’t even know wtf was going on. It sounds just like you first said, that she had the gun pointer at whomever came in, then held it up and he saw it and was sort of belligerent like “oh what, ur gunna shoot me?” And then messed around, struggled, and it went off. Hence the distance from his cheek, they were both pulling on it.
Also sounds like he didn’t get divorced because he was still holding on to his marriage at least in his heart. Dating another girl for 4 years before this relationship shows that he wasnt in a hurry to change his marital status, but it didn’t hold him back from moving on either for some reason. Sad all the way around, they sound like they were terrible for each other and drinking way too much 😕 his poor kids man.
To counter your point, if they just hold them til they sober up, that gives them more time to construct and alibi or fabricate a story.
@@WhydTheyChangeOurNames bruh don’t start here.
Thank you for the common sense. Imagine a defendant trying to use witness testimony from a person that was incredibly intoxicated when they witnessed and gave the statement. I have no doubt it’s be thrown out.
@@Hannahgs you can plainly read my comment here was from 6 hours ago or you didn't read it. I commented here first so take that misdirected anger elsewhere.
@@WhydTheyChangeOurNames no, I’m justifiably angry that you feel the need to defend interrogating drunk woman.
The “going to Disney world”thing was bc back in the late 80’s and 90’s super bowl winners used to say, when asked by reporters what are they doing next the response was “I’m going to Disney world!” It then become pretty much a meme before there were memes. It was used in commercials and in tv shows as punch lines. Was it tone deaf? Yes. But it wasn’t all that strange considering her age it would’ve been something she heard hundreds of times as a response to that question and it was just the first thing that popped into her mind and as her brain is probably going a mile a minute with relief and nerves and she didn’t think much before she spoke. I think it was incredibly insensitive but not intended to be.
Yep!!!!! I wasn’t around but have heard the joke. Plus it was in a play I was in once.
Came to say this
I disagree with it being unintentional. I think she's a smart ass, who had just outwitted the system (with the help of her lawyer(s), of course).
@@CountStackula510 a very valid opinion and very possibly a correct one. I just know I say stuff like that at inappropriate things because humor is how I handle uncomfortable or stressful situations. Also my mouth and brain work way faster than the brain to mouth filter lol. I probably shouldn’t have based her reaction on how I’d react though bc I would’ve put the gun down the second I realized it wasn’t an intruder and was just my drunk bf who had no history of violence toward me. I just don’t get why she was cowering in the corner with a loaded gun when she knew who it was. Even drunk that makes no sense
Disney is considered "one of the happiest places on earth". It's an expression to tell someone how happy you are. That's why football players continued the saying after winning the super bowl. They are extremely excited/happy and what better place to continue that euphoric happiness than going to the "happiest place on Earth". She was happy and relieved. I would've been too if I had gotten off.
How is it not relevant to say he had threatened suicide before but is relevant to say he never would have killed himself because he loved his kids?? Obviously he could have killed himself regardless of who he loved. It's so irritating when people use that line, as though people with loved ones never committ suicide.
Agreed. 💯
So true
Especially when the last time he threatened suicide he was drunk just like the night he was killed
That's along my thoughts exactly. Like people who do die by suicide don't truly love those they leave behind. WHAT?!?
And the fact that the one who asserted that was a doctor..... but NOT a mental health specialist. She should know better than a non-doctor that they have specialties and huge knowledge gaps between them. Very arrogant if her to think she had the knowledge or medical authority to say such a thing.
Threatening suicide is not only a trait of someone who is depressed, it is also a common abuse tactic.
He sounds toxic and abusive using “I’ll kill myself if you don’t do what I want”. He did it before to his ex wife, he was likely doing it to her too. It’s a common manipulation tactic done by abusive partners.
They were both crazy alcoholics and I'm not surprised only one made it out alive. She should've put the gun down when she realized he was not a strange intruder, and he should've taken her deadly threat seriously and gotten the heck outa there instead of taunting her. No tears shed over this case, the world is a better place with one less abusive alcoholic in it.
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I think suicide shouldn't be used as a threat it's like crying wolf and makes real suicidal people seem like drama Queens
EUPD or BPD
Yesyesyes I’m so glad someone said this. I’ve been in a similar situation with my ex-abuser before where he would threaten suicide if I didn’t comply, or if I tried to defend myself. I could totally see her trying to defend herself and him saying “oh you want to hurt me? Here let me do it for you.” I strongly feel she had a gun because she was afraid of him and he took it away and pretended to use it on himself to make her feel guilty for defending herself, but then in a struggle it went off accidentally. I don’t believe she is at fault.
This seems like a complete freak accident. I don't think she shot him and I don't think he committed suicide, it looks like a drunken accident brought on by the passion of the argument. The gun went off in the struggle, and here we are. I feel genuinely bad for her... she realized the consequences of getting that gun out as soon as the shot fired.
Agreed, one of the few cases where no one really seems at fault, just a drunken freak accident... I can't believe how bad she must've felt when she sobered up, poor lady
Agreed
100% agree. We’ve all done erratic things when drunk… in the blink of an eye disaster happened. So sad
Agree, so annoying that everyone kept talking about suicide. She said he grabbed the gun and it went off.
Kendall seemed to miss the whole point on this one.
@@kdz6501 yeah
I’m sorry the police brought an obviously drunk woman in her nightgown for questioning?? Do y’all not find that incredibly irresponsible?? You can’t question any inebriated person and expect a straightforward true consistent story. The gabble petito case is a perfect example of why I do not trust police to correctly identify a domestic violence situation. The fact that they brought her in drunk should be raising a million red flags. She is not in a frame of mind where she can even consent to questioning. The detectives need to be charged for doing that, that’s despicable. Not only all of that, which could easily explain her changing testimony and possibly make her not even remember clearly what happened, he has a history of threatening suicide to his significant other. And he kept secret the fact that he was married the whole time, but doesn’t that reflect poorly on HIM? It seems like that fact was only used against HER. I think the jury was right to vote not guilty. Even if you think she is guilty, the case was handled disastrously and maliciously and there isn’t compelling evidence of her guilt.
I agree with you
💯 agree with you! Perfectly said! So many things about this made me irate!
When you are a possible murder suspect. Yes they will just bring you in. They don't want you to have a chance to tamper with evidence getting changed or move anything at the scene around. This is not unusual actually.
@@celinabryan8841 I’m not surprised at all that this isn’t unusual because the criminal justice system is terrible and so are cops. There was no middle ground between taking her immediately to an interrogation room in her nightgown and leaving her at home alone? Like do you care at all about civil rights?
@@Hannahgs Cops are not terrible
Ok this is NOT an indication of how I feel about this instance (haven’t even finished the video) but I totally get wanting to speak with an attorney. I’ve watched too many innocence project docs/read articles to ever be willing to speak without counsel. I don’t think it’s an admission of guilt at all.
Agree 100%. Until watching a lot of true crime cases and interrogations, I always believed if you have nothing to hide, why not talk candidly to the detectives? Now I know, don’t say a word without legal counsel.
@@just.R.A. exactly! Can’t trust anyone. I always thought, “well if you didn’t do it, it would be better to help them out.” Absolutely not. And especially for BIPOC folks. 100000x more.
@@JohnSmith-bk6ec I know that wasn't what he meant, but kind of funny that he assumed there would be a "next time" 😆
Even as I was watching this, I commented to a friend that I'd get an attorney, guilty or not. I hear so many tactics used about interrogation to get a false confession and tricking people into saying stuff either in a way they can twist, or making them believe themselves they're guiltier than they are (ex: a detective *could* talk with Caryn and put the idea in her head that she shot him in the heat of the moment due to anger, even if that's not the case. And with the stress and exhaustion, her brain could take that and run with it.)
That would’ve been the first thing I’ve done.
I was friends with an old Brooklyn detective, who told me that a lot of fatal shootings. follow someone saying “What are you going to do.. shoot me?”
Because apparently, your unconscious hears “shoot me”, and, well.. does.
I hope she gets sober. For the sake of everyone around her.
I honestly believe this was an accident. She doesn't say he shot himself because he didn't actually shoot himself because it was an accident. I believe they were fighting with the gun (both) of them...when they were drinking.
Agreed
I agree. She went with the "he shot himself" defense out of fear. They were both blind drunk and acted stupidly. I believe it was an unfortunate accident.
Exactly, if someone had a hunting accident was accidentally shot I wouldn’t describe it as shooting themselves. I think she was answering “was it suicide” question. I’d say manslaughter for being stupid but doesn’t seem like it was intentional.
Yea I kind feel that way to
And based on how hysterical she's acting in the interrogation room, I have a hard time believing she wanted that man to die. Unless she's the world's greatest actress? You can't fake sobbing like that.
The inconsistencies in her story seem to stem from being drunk, emotional, and disoriented more than intentionally deceitful. Personally I'm not sure SHE even knows what happened. "We were drunk and there was an accident" seems true and is possibly the most details she can really accurately provide.
I agree
I think she is guilty!
Dude killer lighting; you’re face looks like it’s glowing.
i was thinking - kendall is gorgeous but what is going on, how does she look extra lovely?
omg i thought the same ! she looks so gooddd
Glad I discovered your channel. I’m 70, and I remember all the Life magazine articles about your different historical reviews. Carry on, sweet girl.
I think they made the right decision. It was a weird situation but it feels like an accident, not suicide or murder.
It feels like murder to me , this is bad acting
So even if it’s an accident, are you allowed to kill other just accidentally? That does not sit right with me…
@@Swychek manslaughter the right word
@@Swychek good question
Well no matter how we feel, there simply isn’t enough evidence to prove she did it. Jury did the right thing
Agreed!
I agree
Did they ever check for gun shot residue?
@@lindsay33333 didn’t she say they were both holding the gun when it went off? so it would’ve been on both of their hands
I wouldn’t have convicted as a jury member. Despite the story being iffy: I don’t think it’s “beyond a reasonable doubt”. And the Disney World comment felt sarcastic like, “WTF do you think, sir?”.
As someone who has lived through a pretty traumatic situation, I can say I really do think it was an accident just from how she was acting and the words she uses. I think anything can look bad if you look hard enough but sometimes it's actually more simple than it seems.
I agree.. If someone I cared about died like that and people are shoving cameras in my face. I would be telling them to f off! And i take her sarcastic comment as her way or telling them to leave her alone
“Anything can look bad of you look hard enough” !!!!!! EXACTLY this. And it can go for literally anything.
my thoughts exactly, when she said he got shot like that in 3rd person to me that sounded like she was dissociating hard, how does one even begin to process something like that anyways :/
That 911 call gave me chills. No matter what your opinion is of Caryn overall, she sounded extremely traumatized & distraught in that moment and I feel for her. It would be terrifying to watch someone you love die in front of you, especially if you were just living your normal life five minutes before.
the dispatch sounds like a dick too
Agree with 💯%
That was pure ackt
That sounded like bad acting to me. I get people act differently in traumatic situations but that sounded sooo bad to me that i'm surprised that the dispatcher on the line didn't just say ''that's the worst acting i've ever seen and i'm sending a police squad to arrest you immediately''.
@@JohnnyBoy7267I don’t think acting while drunk is as easy as y’all believe lmao
I took the, "go to Disney" comment as a sort of tired, sarcastic, "just stop talking to me" response. "What are you going to do next" is a rather stupid question to ask. How would she know for sure after everything that had happened. Honestly, if I'd lost the love of my life, been accused of being the killer, had the prosecution parade a bunch of people who disliked me to bad mouth me to the jury, had a doctor with a bias try to condemn me with invalid testimony, and then get asked THAT when it was finally over........I can't say how I'd react. Her demeanor more reminds me of how I am when it's all too much and I just shut down. Maybe I see that because I have depression myself, but that ordeal can emotionally exhaust anyone.
Yeah, but.....
She is so obviously self-important, obnoxious woman.
I agree 100%
@@reneemayes421 that doesn't mean much tho
In the 90s/early 00s, it was a popular thing for sports reporters to ask winners of big games "what are you going to do next" and they'd always say "I'm going to disneyland!", it ended up in some disney commercials and promos, etc. When this case took place, if you asked almost anyone "what are you going to do next", they'd respond that way. I agree with you that she just said it because it was the first thing that came to her mind and an easy way to dismiss the dumb question.
People on this board are giving such intelligent answers and yours is one of the best. Obvious her going to Disneyland statement was sarcastic. From the statements I heard her say, they did not seem to conflict that much! She kept saying it was an accident and not an intentional suicide!
Gut feeling: her character - based on witnesses - tells me that it's entirely possible she had a "heat of the moment" type situation. As far as actually proving it...i think the jury ruled the correct way based on the charges karen had and the evidence they were presented with. Makes it tough to separate your gut feelings from the law, but it's necessary.
I think they were functioning alcoholics who were in a tumultuous relationship. Unfortunately he died. I agree that the jury was correct . I don't think there is enough evidence to convict.
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He was as drunk as she was, and why was he even DRIVING in that case? Disney World is better than she was "going out for a drink 🍸 "!!!
The responding officer commenting on how she's "coming up with a defense" is disturbingly unprofessional. All it shows is that they had made up their minds before she even got to the station.
I know there are a few decent cops out there, but he is not doing the reputation of his comrades across the country ANY favors.
Exactly! She’s telling them what happened and they call it a defence?
It's a cynical response by a cop who has been through this type of situation before.
Exactly and that would be plenty of motivation for her to feel like she needed to defend herself more.
She was though! Just the way she was explaining things, to me, seemed like that is exactly what she was doing!
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I do the same thing! Every night ♡
I have anxiety too but why are we watching murder videos if we have anxiety lol
@@leahflower9924..... because the pain we see is so much worsen that we feel we are not so bad off... a former severely anxious person at 75 yrs - who questioned this very question to my psycholgist
@@donalee1975 this made me feel better. made me seem less crazy lol. hope you have an amazing and safe year :)
What is server anxiety?
Just wanted to clarify something for y’all- Caryn’s Disney World comment isn’t as weird/incriminating as it seems- in the 80’s “I’m going to DisneyWorld!” was a common & standard response whenever an interviewer asked you where you’re going now. For real- it was a thing
It was a song too
Also she literally lived in Orlando which is right next to Disney World... maybe that wasnt out of the norm for her?? Just a thought I had
More of a sarcatic way of saying F-Off. Felt that eye roll in her tone.
@@jdanyle this is exactly how I took it and it puzzles me that people would take that comment seriously…you can literally hear and see the sarcasm
I was thinking the exact same thing! And if you were being questioned like that, that could have definitely been the first thing that popped into her mind!
I think analyzing someone's words to this extent "shot" vs shot himself is futile. I believe he was accidentally shot while they fought over thr gun although I'm no judge
Agree
I also think it was an accident. They were both very drunk with a loaded gun that they struggled over carelessly.
Same. There is too much reasonable doubt in this case to give her a guilty sentence
@@michellevickersdixon1141 I’m here to comment the same. They were both wasted! She was upset, drunk and certainly quite confused all around.
Londiwe i feel the same way about this case.
Idk what actually happened, but the jury really made the right call. They prosecution did NOT have enough evidence. There was room for reasonable doubt. They could not have found her guilty.
I think the most incriminating part that makes her look guilty is that, by her own admission, she did not lower the gun when she realized that it was her boyfriend in the house.
I wanna know more about her habits and routine. Did she normally have the gun locked and loaded at her bedside? Why did she “warn” Phillip that if he came home unannounced she might shoot? Did he usually text or call when he came home late at night? Did she use their drunken night as an opportunity? When she recognized him did she question herself and that’s why she didn’t put it down? I believe she saw him, hesitated, seriously thought for a second about doing it, then they fought for it and he got shot. Then she freaked out and realized she never truly wanted him dead, she was just irritated as hell with him and boom. There you have it.
I have the same questions
I truly believe there was a struggle, she was so intoxicated and so was he. Personally from the footage you showed it didn’t seem like her story changed a tonne more as though she had gone from being drunk in a panic to sober and distraught, she probably doesn’t remember the situation as it seems like it was so quick. From her reactions I truly believe she was distraught over his loss.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Kendall and the prosecutor kept saying her story changed and I really disagree with that. The story is as consistent as a drunk person could possibly keep it. Everything happened pretty fast and she was wasted.
I agree. I’m from florida, specifically a reservation in south florida, and sadly these violent domestic disputes are too common. All adults seem to get wasted the way they did and it’s not that hard to see how an accident like this could happen. It seems like a horrible accident to me. Fueled by alcohol and emotions. This is sad
The whole time listening to the 911 call I was thinking “This is what people claim to expect from a frantic grieving person” and yet it’s still not good enough. I personally don’t think she malicious it was just a terrible accident.
It’s pretty obvious she doesn’t have real emotions imo
@@ccc12346 she does but she’s an alcoholic. As a struggling alcoholic as well, we don’t remember every thing we did and although it’s no excuse for our actions, I think she is very sorry for shooting that bullet into his face and killing him. Drunk people get into fights and it’s awful that a deadly weapon was involved. I don’t think either one of them wanted to hurt the other or themselves
Did she shoot him? Yes. Was it intentional? No. I believe he tried to get the gun, they wrestled over it and BOOM. An unfortunate situation gone bad. I can appreciate her Disney World sarcasm.
I couldn’t have said it better
I think cases like this where drugs, alcohol, toxic relationships, and seeming mental instabilities are existing all together… are just tough. The story could be so much more complicated than we can imagine. As someone who has struggled with addiction, mental illness and toxic relationships Im so thankful that I never accidentally hurt someone or I was never hurt by someone. Im glad to be living a better life.
So yeah… I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure with this one.
I don't know why people thought it was suicide when it just sounded like an accident. Like suicide to me seems like an intention to kill oneself not accidentally kill themselves. Saying it was suicide because of depression even makes less sense because he was literally drunk no one thinks straight when they are drunk. I also understand the not putting the gun away because she had it up in the air to not point it anywhere. She could have been going to put it back but they fought over it. The police were definitely bias which led to tunnel vision. You could see it in the whole "sHe'S mAkiNg HeR dEfEnSe RiGhT iN fRoNt Of Us" statement
Right? She's also clearly super drunk so it makes sense that she wouldn't be acting rationally and didn't think to put the gun down when she first saw him
@@dotkiarika1026 I mean even if I knew the person but they were extremely drunk and I was extremely drunk I don't know if I would put the gun down because I don't know what they are going to do in their state. He obviously thought he could drive so he really probably didn't think he was that incapacitated
The police were unprofessional and communicated like ignorant, gossipy, nasty teen-aged girls. Cops are notorious for vilifying the victim as if it is fun sport to pounce their wounded and vulnerable prey.
I agree. I feel like Kendall presented that statement as if the cop saying that made it likely to be true. I saw it as evidence of the police having a preconceived bias before any autopsy was performed or any evidence had even been collected.
@@twocents9816 Victim? She wasn’t a victim and I believe she got away with murder.
Honestly I think they had a fight in their drunk states of mind and it was an accident. She is clearly drunk in the body cam footage and I think she was truly scared of an intruder and of him in his drunk state of mind, because it sounds like he was talking crazy. Either way some of her behavior was strange but who are we to judge someone who went through something like this? We’ll probably never know the full truth.
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Sorry this is unrelated but I just wanted to say how much of a joy getting a notification from you is to me. I use to always watch your videos in my room on the TV with my dog in the bed, just like you have your dog behind you. She passed this year and I miss her very much honestly. But idk, seeing your vids reminds me of those simple but wonderful memories I had with her. In many ways I still feel her on my bed watching your videos with me ❤️
how lucky am i to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard. - winnie the poo🐝 i’m sorry for your loss, you were fortunate to have each other..
Sorry for your loss 💕
Awe. I'm so sorry for your loss. I also lost my sweet fur baby a few months ago. The pain is undescribable. I hope you find comfort in the life and memories you shared with your sweet baby. Take care ❤❤
So sorry your friend has crossed the rainbow bridge but glad you still feel her with you. You must have been very close n she still comforts you🌈💜
I'm so sorry for your loss. Losing a pet is like losing a piece of your soul. It can hurt so much. Wishing you much peace
This was an accident, kellen didn’t go looking for Philip, he was in her house. They were both intoxicated and the inconsistency at the time she called 911 is understandable,she was drunk and then the confusion of your boyfriend dying in your house!!!.... I believe her . May Philip’s soul RIP
I don’t think that Caryn even knows what truly happened that fateful night. They were both so intoxicated. They argued, they fought and the gun went off accidentally. In my opinion
Good point I can remember being sound asleep completely sober and some friends from University came into the room in my hostel really drunk and dancing around with underwear round their necks and smoking a cigarette. I woke up the next morning thinking I had dreamt it all until I saw a cigarette in the pot plant .
The phrase “I’m going to Disney world” was definitely sarcasm alluding to the famous NFL saying after winning the super bowl
Yup! Exactly
Yes think it’s just her weird sense of humor.
I can’t say why, but I believe her. To me, this seems like an accident-a dispute that escalated.
I too believe her.
I think so too
Same here. I don't have an issue with her 911 call either. Her story made sense to me if both of them had their hands on the gun.
I agree I do not believe she did it on purpose either , I guess I get the same feeling as you ..i think they fought over it an it accidentally went off
@@angiej3127 agree
This woman was my landlord when this happened. I can honestly say she was a real character.
She was out of contact when my lease ended and we moved out without ever hearing from her. It was months and months later that I found out about this case.
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I don't remember if Karen's alcohol content was said, but as a child of an alcoholic and from a family of alcoholism, her police cam footage screams "not at all there". Her recollection is shot. She can remember flashes or even think something happened. It all goes out the door there. Yeah, its likely your story would change a lot. I even have vivid dreams when I am under the influence of alcohol that I can't tell reality from dream for a few minutes trying to piece together the night before. We've all said and done some weird or dumb stuff that is out of character. A struggle when a gun is in play is another thing, especially when both parties are heavily intoxicated.
I don't buy the suicide bit. I do believe there was a struggle between two individuals that were very intoxicated and that it ended very badly.
I agree with the jury's verdict. Her 911 call and actions afterward, including the odd behavior, sounds like she had snapped due to shock. When your brain experiences trauma, as others have mentioned, it does not always process in chronological order or in coherent detail. The Disney World comment, being that she is in Orlando, seemed like a snarky annoyed response to the constant questions. She probably hadn't had a chance to process her freedom completely and was hit with interview questions. In the 80's and 90's after the the super bowl the athletes were asked what they were going to next. They always responded, "I'm going to Disney World!" It became a tongue and cheek response to something good happening. Her tone of voice sounded tired and unattached as she responded. That wasn't a real response...just a sarcastic response to an annoying question. I actually believe this woman this time. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, there was sarcasm all through that response. I honestly thought nothing of it because I myself would probably answer the same way lol.
Yeah, the Disney World comment reminded me of the thing they always did after the Super Bowl/ football games when they’d ask the winners what they were gonna do now that they won and the winner would always say “I’m going to Disney world!”. I don’t know if that’s still a thing, but it was a trend back in the day. That’s how I took her saying it. Playing into a common saying during that time period.
@@lonepinata omg I remember this. As a child. Such a iconic thing to see and hear! Lol
I agree with the disney world comment. I immediately took is as a sarcastic answer. I would be annoyed at being questioned like that
I do too. Which is bothering me for some reason, but i couldn’t even decide
Personally, I think the gun went off in the struggle. Both had their hands on it, emotions high and alcohol thrown into the mix. I think the jury made the right call, I don’t think it’s a case of beyond reasonable doubt.
RIP Phillip. Sincere condolences to the family and friends.
Thanks for good upload.
Alcohol and guns do NOT mix together. So sad.
As someone who has struggled with an alcohol addiction, they should take nothing she said under the influence to court and should have questioned her 100% sober. Even then I'm sure she doesn't fully remember what happened
They have to consider it with the understanding that she was drunk. If nothing else this should be another reason to get help with addictions.
I def noticed the difference in her coherency from the police-car/on-the-scene video to her interrogation - yet clearly still altered - footage. She was hard-out slurring & having had a flatmate who regularly got blackout drunk, I'd say that it made COMPLETE sense that her story kept changing cuz she DIDN'T fully remember what happened...and that she might LEGIT remember more clearly what actually went down 24 (or so) hrs later...or maybe not at all & she's just piecing together what she WANTS to remember. Cuz I've seen variations on both before...same flatmate...posted photos of her severely bruised knee saying what happened -she was at a party 3 houses down, plus HEAPS of way more private things I won't say. But basically just yeah, this shit can happen....N clearly she (Caryn) pissed (drunk/wasted), n he was at min over driving limit as well...all around not good...N I can totally believe that she wasn't sure what exactly happened & that her story changed cuz she didn't remember & didn't want to fully admit that she was blackout drunk...doesn't make it OK, just saying it could happen....N @Natlia stay strong n I hope you don't have the stories I saved my flatmate from....or those I'm sure I wasn't there for...n don't want to think about.
I always wonder how any words spoken to police under the influence can be admissible. Turn it the other way and a drunk person is an unreliable witness.
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I agree. As drunk as she was she couldn’t tell which way was up or down. That’s why her story kept changing.
PS she said “go to Disney world” sarcastically I’m sure, that’s the cliche response for winning the super bowl or whatever sporting crap
That’s what I thought too.
Came to the comments to say something similar. It's an much parodied (heavily in the 90s especially) response to the question "you just won ___ what will you do now" and considering the mental exhaustion that must come from being on trial, I can see my own brain uttering it.
yup...literally checked the comments to see if anyone else said it. I knew what she was gonna say the second they asked that question. It's so ingrained into our brains from back then. I definitely came off as sarcastic.
exactly!
I just commented the same thing lol
I’m with the jury I think. But also, let’s here more about the life of Officer Boop
I LOVE Kendall Rae!!! I’ve love the way she tells stories! Her stories are always loaded with information and is a very good story teller! Keep up the good work!
This sounds like one of those relationships where when it was good, it was great and when it was bad, it was horrible. Like they could be extremely volatile and the alcohol escalated the situation. She was obviously intoxicated when she made that call. I don’t think she actually shot him on purpose. It really sounds like an accident. An unfortunate one but, nevertheless, an accident. I’m sad for his children. I’m also sad for Caryn. She has to carry this for the rest of her life.
"Go to Disney world" is a common line after someone wins big. They were berating her with questions; and ended off with "what are you gonna do next", which seems inappropriate to me. she responded with what, to me, seems like an adequate amount of sarcasm for the situation.
Yeah I totally agree. To think that was a “suspicious” comment is just reaching. It’s pretty obvious from the timing and tone that it was exasperated sarcasm.
So I’m from Florida and the “I’m going to Disney World” is an ongoing joke we always answer when asked what we are doing next. While I find her really suspicious I could totally see myself doing that out of habit to that question….
ThIs is the first comment I seen that addressed this. I commented it further up explaining that it was something that started in the late 80’s when Super Bowl winners gave it as an answer to the same question and it became basically a meme before there was memes. As a kid growing up in the 80’s and 90’s I heard that response thousands of times and am surprised so many people didn’t know where it came from or how easily someone who had heard it so much could give that response without thinking. Just off the cuff like you said. I would probably almost definitely say the same thing automatically if I wasn’t thinking “watch what you say” even then it’s my first thought to that question regardless of whether I say it aloud or not lol. And I live in Mississippi so while it’s probably more prominent in Florida it happens everywhere it’s an age thing for most places maybe a proximity thing for Florida 😂
That’s actually not the reason. Another person responded with the actual reason, but it’s about getting a phone call prize.
I'm a Floridian too and it's definitely just a sarcastic remark alot of Floridians say. Some folks are reading too much into that comment
I also remember it being connected to the Super Bowl. They always asked the winners what they were going to do next and the automatic response was "I'm going to Disneyland." (Or Disney World) There was even a theme song in Disneyland commercials with that phrase as lyrics.
It sounded as a sarcastic answer to me
I do believe she was guilty of murder, but I do not believe there was enough evidence to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think she was pissed at him and knew what she was doing when she had that gun in her hands.
He did say, "You want me to do it for you?" When you are fighting and struggle for a gun, accidents can happen. The gun accidentally fired and 3 to 6 inches seems about right when you are fighting arm to arm for a gun. I think the jury was correct on their decision for Caryn.
That’s what she said he said…
Exactly. I don't know why the prosecutors chose to prove that it wasn't su1cide by showing the angle the gun was in when she said he didn't mean to do it in the first place. Of course it's an unusual position to sho0t yourself. Plus they bring people to prove how how she was bad or why she would have a motive, but brush off the fact he literally went to another woman's home and somewhat did the same thing except she didn't have a gun? 🤔
According from her but you can't ask dead body what happen also conflicting story on 911 call makes her suspicious.
No, SHE said that's what he said.
The whole "Disney World" thing was something people would say on TV after winning something. I think she said it here out of sarcasm because she was tired of answering questions.
Yeah, that's what I thought too... because honestly I would probably do the same... like seriously, get the fuxk outta my face with those cameras. I use sarcasm as a way to control my anger, and cameras +microphones being shoved in my face would make me very angry.
Agreed
it honestly gave me a good laugh! i said it before she did and i burst out laughing. definitely sarcasm
@@precioustorres7043 hahaha thats great, it gave me a bit of a giggle too since I could see myself in her shoes.
That's what I got out of it.
I actually respect those detectives for the fact they have to tell someone that their loved one died . That would be the most emotionally draining thing ever for me . I’m so empathetic I would be crying like my partner died
I felt so horrible watching that officer have to deliver that news.
She knew he was dead - she killed him
same i was wondering how they keep it together so well :( the lady seemed nice.
Me too. So true.
On the "Disney World" comment, anytime someone asks me "What are you going to do now?" That is my exact immediate response, "Go to Disney World!" It's a really popular line from a Super Bowl Advert. and when I was in High School, everyone said. I even think it was in a few movies. --------------- Also, Officer Boop! I couldn't say that without cracking up! Kudos to you!
It is insane that someone in that line of work that a drunk, in distress woman, not being able to keep to one story and changes, means she is guilty. Both distress, and alcohol, significantly impacts memory. I would be MORE surprised and think she was more guilty of making things up if she had provided one solid story in that situation.
I agree that there was no sufficient evidence for her to be charged with murder. I don’t believe she did it with ill intent. Just two drunk people fighting over the gun and it went off.
"I'm going to Disney World/Land" was a Disney slogan, used in many ads in the 80s/90s. It was often uttered in response to that sort of question: "What are you going to do now?" I'm going to Disney World! - Wikipedia
Also, it inspired this song by the band dada: Dada - Dizz Knee Land - RUclips
I was going to say the same thing. I think she was tired of the reporters and wanted them out of her face so she said a smart ass thing 🤷🏼♀️
@@kaycguide yupp, exactly what I was going to say as well
I instantly thought of Richard Ramirez
@@tiffanyclapp6599 See you in Disneyland
So? It’s still utterly inappropriate. Maybe even more so, now I know this.
I’d have to say this is being made more complicated than necessary. Two very drunk ppl fighting over a gun.
Never ends well.
I’m sure other people have said this, but “I’m going to Disney world” is from an interview with someone right after their team won the Super Bowl, I think. They asked the player, “what are you going to do next?” And he screamed, “I’m going to Disney world!!” Something like that. It became a huge advertising slogan for them.
As someone who is a recovering alcoholic married to a recovering alcoholic…anyone who knows my husband would also say he’s a gentle giant. They'd say we had the perfect relationship. But they do not know him/us after having 10 too many. I believe her. This could have been us. Thank God we put a stop to it before something like this happened.
the thing that bothers me is that Caryn didn't say anything about Phillip being abusive or having anger issues, so I don't understand why she would still have the gun in her hand and her finger on the trigger when she found out the person in her house was Phillip, not an intruder...
From the story (sorry if I’ve missed or misheard anything) it sounds like when she saw it was Phillip she lifted her gun to the ceiling/pointed it away (possibly taking her finger off the trigger?), and then within moments he escalated the situation and the struggle took place (finger possibly back on the trigger). Not sure she’d have time to even place the gun down, and it doesn’t seem like she would even be inclined to if he was clearly drunk and volatile. She described an abusive situation, but that doesn’t mean she would necessarily identify him as an abuser to police if that was just what she perceived to be a normal relationship dynamic
Maybe because she was already in a fight or flight Adrenalin state that she just held on to the pistol, consciously forgetting it was cocked. Adrenalin is a powerful force when unintentional shit happens. And don’t forget, they were both drunk and not rational.
Yeah that and her 911 call is not helpful at all… a little sus
@@maddyrevenge havent watched the whole video yet, but seems to me the escalation would be on the drunk person who pulled a gun?
I've spent a considerable amount of time around drunk people and honestly its SO blatantly obvious in the body cam footage that she's very drunk, I'm surprised she could explain what happened at all its no surprise her story keeps changing or that it all happened the way it did. She probably doesn't remember a lot of it herself
I think it was two people who were drunk fighting. She told him not to come back she had a gun. He came back and I think she grabbed the gun to prove a point to him he egged her on and they just kept arguing and then things got out of control. They probably did struggle with the gun and it went off. I really think they were both at fault and it could have been either one who got shot. I think it was not intentional
Agreed
Michelle.... I think your idea of what happened is the most probable scenario. I think it was accidental. However, there was very irresponsible behavior by both of them in this situation. First of all, never pull out a gun in self defense unless you are prepared to use it (if needed). Secondly, it's not wise to grab arms, wrists, etc. when a gun is involved.
Great show. Thank you for bringing this case to our attention. You know, without having been a juror and having the opportunity to hear ALL testimony, it just is fruitless to say whether justice was served. A man is dead! I do believe that the system worked. The prosecution clearly failed to PROVE their accusations/charges. That lands solely on them.
Regardless, if I was in her position, on the night of the Phillip's death, I would have immediately asked for an attorney before answering any questions whether I was guilty or not. In my firearms training, during and immediately after a person is involved in a shooting, they are not truly able to recall details for a period of time and in the want to please the authority's a person MAY say something that proves later to be untrue/inaccurate. Not because they are being deceptive but due to the fight/flight response to trauma.
I really "enjoy" going through these cases and drawing my own opinions on things. This channel brings attention and value to people who have lost loved ones and just want justice. Thank you Kendall!
I honestly feel like this was probably just a drunk accident that she possibly doesn’t even recall entirely. I think they were likely both drunken fighting and the gun went off, maybe karen even in a drunken state of panic tried to emphasise hun shooting himself cause she was scared people would think she killed him. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say she intentionally killed him and believe the jury made the right decision
I did think she was lying because she clearly is but maybe that's because she doesn't remember what actually happened. I forget stuff when I'm drunk so good point.
I'm constantly amazed at how frustrated and irritable these 911 operators sound with people when they're obviously in extreme distress. i understand they may not be able to make out what they're saying, but it's natural people are going to be acting out of their minds in a lot of situations.
I noticed that too! Ever listen to the British 999 calls? A completely different style.
Agreed. So many 911 operators annoy the crap out of me in these calls.
I agree but also they have to attempt to write up a report to send to responding officers so they know what they’re going into and when you can understand what people are screaming, it’s hard to know who and how many officers to send, and whether or not there is anyone armed at the scene
@@stephanieg7229 yeah but they have to do that all over the world and other nations dont sound as horrible as these US ones.
@@jackiewilson8772 as a previous British 999 call handler I can say we must be trained completely differently because the difference is stark !
I truly believe it was an accident.
They were tugging at the gun back and forth he got it out of her hand finger hit the trigger as he pulls it away from her.
As for the Disney comment
you can tell she's tired and worn-out
and didn't want to answer any more questions so sarcastically saying she's going to go to Disney.
As a domestic violence survivor I could see all the red flags in Philip. If I hadn’t gotten out of it as soon as I did I probably could had snapped. I was suffering extremely mentally and even had violent thoughts about my abuser. My psychologist it’s completely normal and it’s called reactive abuse
i agree !
Okay.
I would bet that all of us that have been in a toxic/uber unhealthy passionate relationship can understand how something like this would happen, especially when alcohol is involved. A real tragedy
Yes, THIS!!!! 👆👆👍👍👏👏
For real
Yikes. I hope to hell not!!!!
My thoughts exactly!
Agreed.
Kendall’s hair color is so pretty. I feel like I’m supposed to be drinking some kind of spice latte that all the girls talk about this time of year 💁🏼♀️💁🏼♀️
If they both were struggling to take control over the gun, of course it's not going to fit the standard suicide pattern. That doesn't mean he didn't pull the trigger. (But also I doesn't make it a suicide, I think idk) That was a dumb statement from the pathologist.
Also even though Karen's behaviors seem sketchy, having a possible motive doesn't prove anything.
that’s what i’m thinking! did karen ever say that he wanted to kill himself? no, she said he got shot in a struggle to grab the gun. I just do not get why they strawmanned her. them trying to prove that he wasn’t suicidal is so unnecessary in my mind.
The fact that the gun didn’t have no fingerprints says a lot🥺
The Disney comment isn't all that strange, especially for the time. It was a very common answer for "what will you do now?" I think it started after a Super Bowl. There is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to "I'm Going to Disney World."
In the context of your boyfriends murder trial … the comment is beyond inappropriate
"What are you going to do next" "im going to disneyworld" is a reference to an old 90s disneyworld ad. A poor time for a joke, but it wasn't out of nowhere.
Yeah I mean it sounded p sarcastic too, I probably would be if a reporter was harassing me after a trial like that lol
Agree, not great timing for viewers but a lot of people would use humor in a moment like this. People are people.
Agreed. If it wasn’t so completely inappropriate it would actually be funny
Honestly, her 911 call feels pretty real to me. I can definitely see someone who has never shot someone to panic and react like this. Your emotions are all over the place you know. Seems like she was afraid he would do something, but at the same time never intended to really hurt him. I do kind of believe her. I don't know if I believe the whole story, but I do believe an on edge fight could lead to a wrestle for a gun. As a woman we do expect violence from men even men we know who have never harmed us can trigger these feelings.
When I was young and freshly married I once thought my husband was actually trying to hurt me and I pulled a knife on him. He was just messing with me, but I had NO IDEA. I have PTSD so he realized that it was just a bad way to mess with me because I will take them seriously as my experience has taught me I will be harmed if I don't. But it was a very learnable moment for both of us.
I thought the same thing.
I've heard of these kind of cases before and it's always said that guns cannot accidentally go off, because it takes some pressure to pull the trigger. Is this not always true of certain guns.? I can't imagine that someone "drunk" could keep the pressure on the trigger, especially if they were "fighting". I think she had found out he was going to finish with her (probably still in love and possibly seeing his ex) and wanted to hurt him, but probably didn't intend to kill him.
Guns actually don’t need that much pressure, all you need to do is squeeze the trigger once (not keeping pressure on it) and it will fire, the problem they had was being drunk and fighting for control of the gun, impossible to know who pulled the trigger but with the awkward angle of the shot itself and the fact that they were both just grappling for any purchase they could find on the gun it makes total sense to me that it went off without either of them intending for it to.