How To Determine If You Should Shoot A Right Or Left Helical
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2019
- In this video I cover a simple test to determine which way your arrow naturally spins coming out of your bow. This will determine whether you build your arrow with a right or left helical on your vanes.
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80% of Bow technicians and pro shops here in central Virginia would look at me like I was speaking Chinese if I asked questions like the ones you are knocking down like it's child's play...I left the sport 3 years ago after bad experiences with local Bow technicians when I brought my gear in for service/questions....last week I decided to give a different shop (almost 2 hours from my house) a try. I showed up around 4pm to check it out...one of the Tech's spent 3 hours in an intense q & a with me without me even telling him I was going to spend money...Moral of the story is my bows are there getting much needed tlc and after such an educational and enjoyable experience I honestly don't care if I spend 50% over retail...people like him and yourself are what help the sport grow, teach us the how/why and will ensure the knowledge is passed on as freely as it was passed to you. Keep up the great work, and message me when y'all make up some cool T-shirts and hats so I can support y'all all the way from Va!
50% over retail I don't care how nice of a guy he is that's a huge mark up.
The only thing I let a pro shop do is change my string because I don't have a bow press . Everything I do my self . I might let them set up some arrows but other than that you are better off learning from youtube how to do the rest .
Come to Shooter's Archery, 19237 Partlow Rd, Beaverdam, Virginia, Light years ahead of the competition in the area.
@@SharpieUSMC funny enough I just recently started going there to get a new bow, I havent been inside too much but I'm looking to get my bow tuned up and most of my supplies from there. Are they pretty good at bow tune ups?
That’s the difference between a passion and “just a job”.
I think this is the first time I've seen someone attempt to explain why you might chose one over the other. Thanks.
In my experience I took your advice and did a test...my bow had a natural left rotation and I had right offset...so I stripped down all my arrows and reflecthed the left offset. My accuracy increased 10 fold for the longer ranges and had a tighter group. It makes perfect sense...👍🦌🏹
I would have redid the string before I would do my my arrows,sorry not to smart.......
@@davislong9476 so RX1Hunter is not smart. Haha. @davis long, you’re the one that’s not smart. You would’ve re string the bow, which would include a new peep, string silencers, new “D” loop, re-tune the entire setup and re-sight all his pins instead of just re-fletch a few arrows.
@@wadzilla3711 You have only three arrows so I guess that way would be better for you..
@@davislong9476 You must be allergic to common sense. I bet if you get a flat tire you just buy a whole new vehicle don’t you.
Give the guy a cell phone and he’ll hide behind all the time cause he never would have said it to my face. Today’s world. Oh well.
Just remember not to oppose the rotation of a single bevel broadhead, if you are shooting a single bevel, and it rotates to the right, shoot right helical, and vice versa.
Awesome explanation on arrow helical! I found that you can get a nice 2-3 degree left offset with a straight clamp so I wouldn't throw away $40 bucks. Just set a vane in the straight clamp with no glue, line up the bottom adjustment markers in-line...ensure solid contact on your arrow shaft. Dial your top adjustment knob about 1/4 inch left of center still making solid contact on the shaft! Fletch a vane with glue, keep the arrow on the jig until set. Remove the clamp and make a left turn...and look up the shaft from the bottom of the jig. You will see a mild left offset with 100% vane surface contact from top to bottom. A left helical clamp is still a worthy investment!!
Looking to buy my first bow other than when I was a kid, been watching your vids and learning alot. Keep em coming. Love from UK 🇬🇧
Agree 100% on everything especially ….” Maybe it matters, maybe it doesn’t “( even though i do it because….. why not?). I would say, when i clock my arrows they turn almost to 6 oclock by 3-4 yards . Id suggest starting at about 2 just in case your bow is faster at spinning them . I’m only shooting about 64#. Thanks for the videos!!! Great stuff
Your vids are awesome! Thank you for the information. Building my first set of arrows this winter. Kinda nervous but feel confident after watching your vids along with others. Super excited to start this new “hobby”.
This is great info... I had been shooting right spin wings and decided to try the left spin wings to see what the difference is and I noticed a difference in position/grouping but couldn’t explain it... now I can. Thanks for this video :)
excellent info. remember to first spine index and bare shaft paper tune before the fletch for top performance. Good Luck this season
Many thanks for the tip with the blank shaft, I wanted to fletching a few arrows with a spins but I didn't know which direction they were turning. Your information was so helpful, thanks
My bride has were actually going left so I stripped off the fletching’s and put on a left helical now they fly straight and tuning them was super easy. Great advice
I’ve tested identical arrows with only one diff- LH or RH. With arrows natural spin left of course LH follows that rotation no prob, actually in only 15’ has rotated more than a full rotation... of course that depends on degree of helical. However, in same amount of distance RH coming out of bow with natural spin of arrow to the left actually will spin slightly left all the way out to 6’ before vanes correct this and cause the right rotation to the right. But, at 15’ it will not even be a half rotation. It is essentially knuckle balling for the first 15’ and wasting precious energy. Of course this depends again on the amount of helical. I use a lot since most of my shots are indoors or 3-D distances. Why fight the nature of the beast, get all you can from your equipment. Just makes sense to know and follow the natural rotation and fletch accordingly. This is for all of you OCD 🧐 folks that just can’t help themselves... for those of you that say “hogwash”... whatever, just go shoot, laugh, make fun and have fun! That’s really the only reason we all shoot bows and arrows anyhow!
Have always shot left helical 50 years. They have a flown good but have always wondered how you would tell. Thanks good luck with your tournament
Great video! Thank you for taking the time to make it.
More tech in this vid than I've got from my archery shop in years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Subbed.
Appreciate it!
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Good video. I fletched me some left offset vanes today.
When I was learning to shoot (about a million years ago and with 5" fletchings) the wisdom of the time was right handed shoot left helical, left hand shoot right helical. Could explain why so many target archers are more accurate with their left helical, the majority are right handed. Probably makes absolutely no difference either way, but I still shoot left helical from long habit.
That moment at 10' the arrow rotated 180 degrees....Figure that one out LOL! Moved up a couple of feet and was able to tell much to my surprise it rotated left as a RH shooter. Ordered a new clamp.
Great info as always! Thanks man!
So Randy Ulmer has a video where he actually shoot the bow and shows clockwise or counterclockwise rotation just like you spoke about. And draws the same conclusion if you’re Arrow wants to go left then left helical and if it goes clockwise go right helical. Makes sense. Then somebody posted a high-speed video and the conclusion to the video is if your arrow has a natural tendency to go counterclockwise it’ll spin twice as fast with a left helical ...
if you’re shooting a right helical on an arrow that wants to spin counterclockwise.
When an arrow is launched out of the bow going counterclockwise and then it’s some point has to stop and then go clockwise so you’re losing momentum of rotation and I think ultimately accuracy!
I’m not a physicist but it sounds like common sense to me..
I watched a few vid about this. I tested a bare shaft on my target recurve: LEFT SPIN. I twisted the string the other way: LEFT SPIN.
I’ll be ordering feather with left spin
Just started fletching ‘left’ after discovering every sing one of my bows throw counterclockwise. Paired with nock tuning individual bare shafts prior to fletching, and my group size has noticeably tightened up.
Good info from you all the time..! Cheers bud..!
All this little stuff adds up!
Jake Kaminski put out a video a couple of years ago covering this and actually did a walk back from the target to like 10 yards to show the effect and then fletched accordingly.
I have shot straight vanes on my Olympic Recurve and Compound in the Freestyle Class out to 90 meters. Also, I have won a local 3D tournament
with my Compound shooting straight vanes.
That's great!. Your scores will get better with a helical though
Thanks for this
I think the test answers the question . Without any fletchings the arrow should only turns 1/4 a turn at 10 yards or 30 feet . I have done this test many times . I have found the tightness of the nock is what makes the arrow turn more . If you have your nock fitting so it pops the arrow off with a 1/2 inch draw back and let go, as it should be, you will see that at 10 yards your mark will be slightly less than one forth turn . You don't want the string so tight around the nock that it allows the string to turn it . If you are getting more than a 1/4 turn at 10 yards you better look into adjusting your nock tightness.
With the correct nock tightness and only a 1/4 turn of the arrow at 10 yards you can see that it really doesn't matter .The slightest angle of the fletching is going to turn the arrow before it even gets to the end of the bow . Here is a good test you can do to show that the arrow is already turning in the fletching direction you give it .
Put a whisker biscuit on a bow .Make one of the vanes straight up and down and mark it with indicating spray on the front part of the vane so when it hits the whisker biscuit you can see where it contacts . You will see that before it reaches the biscuit it has already started to turn in the direction you want it to go .
That's why if you don't have a drop away rest and you have 2 bars the arrow is resting on you want to use indicating spray on the arrow between the vanes to see its travel once the arrow reaches the bars . If you just line the vanes up thinking the arrow is going to go straight through the bars without twisting is the reason your arrow vanes are touching the bars .
You have to allow for the twist when the vanes meet the bars. The marks the indicating spray marks as it slides along the bars show you how much the arrow is twisting from the front of the arrow to the back . A bigger degree in the vanes will show a bigger twist from the front of the arrow to the back before it even gets to the bar rest .
If you have a right hand twist you will want to turn your vane a little more to the right so by the time the vanes get to the bars they will still be out of the way and not contact the bars . Most people just line up the vanes to the open area of the bars and think the arrow is going to go straight , they don't realize the arrow is already turning before the vanes get to the bars .
A shooting test needs to be conducted to prove or disprove this concept. I don't have a hooter shooter, but did my own test with both left and right heix arrows. Bare shafted Victory VAP TKO arrows shot from my Halon 32-6 naturally rotate left. I found no real discernible difference and if anything the left helix arrows were a bit less accurate. So, I ended up with more confidence in the right helix arrows and only hunt with them. I now have a new bow and may try the test again, but something done with a Hooter Shooter would have more cred.
I noticed this on my bow about a year ago that a non-fletched arrow turned counter clockwise off my string. When I changed to a left helical, I noticed better flight (I could really see the better flight with my lighted nock). However, to test it I shot from a much shorter distance from my target with the bare shaft, probably 3-4 feet. I was able to accurately determine the spin because I would shoot from different distances to actually see how much my arrow was spinning at the different distances.
I bought a blitzburger about 6 month ago because of this video but it came with straight or right I got the right and ordered left because i have different a straight, I found if I go to much helical it might put it off so I'm going to try a a slight left helical instead of crazy boat propeller. Thanks for the info man.
I just watched an interview featuring the owner of Bitzenburger. He has done a lot of experimentation using slow motion video and measuring arrow flight and has determined that it doesn’t make a bit of difference which clamp you buy when purchasing your Bitzenburger jig. The degree of natural spin is insignificant and the spin induced by helical fletching over comes it and reverses it so quickly as to make measuring the difference impossible. Spend your time worrying about things that matter.
Theres a video called "single bevel broadhead vs. fletching direction". In that video is a bunch of high speed camera shots of the effect of right vs left helical. Its interesting to see differences (albeit slight) in arrow accuracy when using fletching that doesnt fight the natural rotation of the arrow.
I didn't notice and difference but it changed my point of impact a little my arrows rotate left out of my Vertix and my sons Triax turns right the only thing I really do is bareshaft papertune and group to get the arrows together in case of fliers and fletch them up and group tune at longer distance playing with the poundage a little.
Matthews 31.5 rotate to the right, all my arrows are fletched 3 degrees off set. Also just bought a ventum 33, after watching my arrows do something funny fairly close to the bow when shot I check by doing what you said, I always check but assuming all were the same. They Are Rotating Left Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Something been just a hair off, maybe this was it. Reflecting 4 to try tomorrow Ahhhhhhhhhhh
I would like to see that right vs left helical fletch test. I plan to after this season, to try and start fletching my own arrows for the first time. Easton axis with max stealth vanes and 4 vanes.
I stripped my right offset vanes on a couple arrows and wouldn't ya know it... they turn left out of the bow! Picked up some left helical clamps for my jig and looking forward to doing some re-fletching. Hoping it pulls my groups together at those longer distances.
Would be interested to see the results of shooting the two sets of 6 arrows bareshaft before fitting the vanes.
Thanks for your videos, they are excellent!
I've tried both right hand and left hand helix from my Prime One at 65# and didn't get any difference in accuracy right out to 70yards, the only thing it did do with left fletched arrows, after several rounds, was unscrew the points! I know a dab of hot melt on the point thread would cure this but I was experimenting with point weight at the time. Still, an interesting bit of information though so thanks for the video.
Thank you for this video. I did it as you told.
Something I would like you to talk about is breathing during the shot. Perhaps it´s interesting for you.
Juan Antonio Espinosa keep doing it.
Is it true that a left helical will cause field points and broadheads to loosen up more frequently
yes, especially in 3d targets.
my solution, loctite 222, soft enough to remove with pliers but strong enough so that it won't come loose just by shooting
And my guess is that if you shoot a left single bevel broadhead the issue of loosening might even be worse, because the single bevel causes the head to continue to rotate even more after impact.
What do you think is the best target for practicing.
Nice I was just concerned with this.
Quick question: do left fletched helical arrows damage broadheads?
I would imagine the rotation would be opposite because when you draw it's rotating one direction so when you release it will go back and start rotating the opposite direction.
was there ever a follow up to this ? did you do some more on this and figure anything out or change opinion ?
What about a single bevel broadhead? Does the helical orientation need to be consistent with the forces applied by the single bevel broadhead?
After a lot of experimenting I shoot better with a right wing feather fletched with a straight jig .. also works best with my double bevel broadhead..
Love the content, thank you! Do you happen to know if GAS strings are done clockwise? Also, I've heard the grind of a broad head can also affect the spin of the arrow? I did the test and sure enough I'm going left on my stock strings. My only hesitation to go left helical (and this may be silly) is that it could loosen my arrow tip. Thanks again for the great content
Yeah they twist clockwise. Broadheads will.only effect the spin if they are single bevel (like Kudu Or Strickland)
Can’t say for a compound, but 5” straight fletching (1 degree offset) for a longbow regardless left or right, is every bit as accurate as a faster twist arrow, from my experiences…..straight fletching helps to maintain velocities, twisting slows the arrow down….
I normally shoot a 2 degree offset I use a straight clamp and a bohning fletch pro my question is do I need to adjust the top and bottom screws to 2 degree I've adjusted the top screw to 2 degree and the bottom screw to 1degree offset looks about right any pointers.
Maybe I’m overthinking a lot now. But lets say that the string wants to rotate the arrow to the left due to how the string is set up, wouldnt it be more troublesome to emphasize that rotation by adding left helical vanes. The arrow might have like 20” of travel before the nock leaves the string, and if the string itself in combination with the vanes wants to rotate the arrow a lot that would make the nock having to counteract the twist when the pinchpoint tries to detatch from the string. Maybe it would be beneficial to actually have the helical working against the string so that the nock gets a more straight path while leaving the string in the pinchpoint.
In the northern hemisphere your arrow spins clockwise and in the Southern Hemisphere it spins counter clockwise. Lol
What you are saying makes intuitive sense to go with the flow, but I wonder if there is a question aerodynamically. If the arrow starts spinning against the fletching bias would that not make a little more drag and thus stabilize the arrow a little quicker? Is there enough evidence of the results of spinning with the flow to say it is better. Also is it possible that it might be better for one setup and not another? It's all about more forgiveness and that equation is what we all are after of course. I wonder if there is a way to scientifically analyze the result. Maybe a shooting machine? Thanks for addressing this topic...something to experiment with.
how you define offset? right offset is vane pointing right when view from nock?
if you have a right feather do you fletch the feather right or left offset? what about left or right helical?
Does it matter if you shoot left or right handed which way you should fletch?
My assumption was whether you shoot left or right handed.. I thinking that I was thinking you'd want to initially and immediately away from the riser. So it's like a toilet flush we have no influence as to what direction an arrow spins? Hmm thanks for opening my eye's... And here I thought I knew everything..LOL. THANKS!
The direction your bow string serving is wound is what determines the natural rotation of the arrow off the bow. It’s as simple as that.
I have seen a lot of people argue that it doesn't matter if you shoot left or right helical. I just let my arrow performance answer with results.
Did you end up testing the difference between left and right helical? I can’t find the vid. I’m trying to figure out if I should spend a couple of $$ on converting my jig or just go with the right helical even if my bare shaft spins to the left.
Hey man big fan of your videos. I actually work at a pro shop and am beginning a level 2 archery instructor course. Just wondering how got obtained your knowledge? 🏹🤙
Just been shooting for the last 20 years and competed a ton up until abkut 5 years ago. Learned a lot form my coach and team mates when I shot at the collegiate level, and then my current boss has been in the industry for 30 years and competed at the professional level as well. Just kind of picked up things along the way I guess
As long as I get good arrow flight? Spine, point weight etc.
Good info but Seems when you draw back. If it makes the arrow rotate to the left. When you release it’s going to go back the opposite way it came, making the arrow spin right
So I have a question since I'm New to this. If the right threaded string makes the arrow turn left why wouldn't you fletch right? Do we ignore the pattern?
Did you ever do that experiment? I looked and didn't find it.
I did this test and actually found my string wanted left spin! I can't believe these pro shops do not really care if you are shooting left, just toss vanes on there and charge you just to have the wrong helical..
I've done a lot of testing since this video and honestly there is no difference in accuracy or group size at 60 yards. The left helical arrows hit the exact same spot as the right helical.
@@InsideOutPrecision well I wouldn't be surprised, I just wanted to encourage spinning the same direction rather than the arrow to all of a sudden switch spinning directions mid flight..I don't think I'll be shooting past 60,70 yards once I get some coaching because I'll just be doing target shooting
Ive tested this over and over for decades. I have straight vanes with helical cock vane left and right, 3 helical left, 3 helical right, left wing using right helical jig and vise versa right on left and it made zero difference in my arrow flight as far as where they hit the target. Some fly left after leaving the bows and some fly right. I am left handed and its the same for all my trad bows and compounds. So for the last 20 yrs or so I dont even pay attention to what feather it is or what jig, I just puttem on and lettem rip.
Good luck
Looked at your video list. Did you ever do the follow up video?
I did an IG story about it. Saw literally no difference in consistency or group size at 60yds.
I use a right helical and I always have to tighten my field points. If I go with a left helical would my points stop from screwing out?
I'm right handed and shoot left helical. I've just gotten into the habit of checking the tip every time I knock the arrow. I might just make 6 arrows with broadheads and 6 with field points. Loctite the tips in place.
Just put bowstring wax on the threads. That always worked for me
Trad shooter have the luxury of shooting left or right fletching. It does require good tuning and the correctly spined shaft.
I am shooting center shot triangle bow that will shoot up to 70lbs. I am wanting to go with 4 inch turkey feathers ( right wing ) with a slight helical but I only have a strait clamp for my fletching jig how much of an angle ( degreas ) should I put on my set up to accomplish this I am also shooting full carbon arrows ( Allen brand ) with an adjustment weight of from 30 to 70 lbs draw weight. At 28 inches in length even thoe my draw length is 27 1/2 inches. They came with 2 inch vanes on them but I want to change to feathers. Is this ok to do so? Please let me know. Thank you.
How would this be done with a brand new bow? will tuning the rest and twisting the yoke during tuning change the helical? when is the best time to TEST this right or left spin? and does arrow spine have anything to do with this? or is it just twist pattern or the string brand?
Its just the direction the string is twisted in
I test my bare shafts and have always found them to rotate left...so I always fletch left helical. Now I know why. Question: people often talk about a 2-degree or 3-degree helical... how do you measure the degree of helical? Thanks for all the information... really appreciate it.
You'd need a rest (clamp) for the arrow, dial test indicator, and some math.
I would get as close to the target as I could to give the arrow the least time to react. How could you tell if your arrow made a 1/4 rotation to the right or a 3/4 rotation to the left, the mark would end up in the same location? Or a half rotation either way. It could even be 90% rotation one direction or 10% in the other.
Really like to see an arrow in slow motion with an opposite helical to spin fletching...I’m thinking it might get a little wobbly? Definitely gonna check out my arrow spin before I fletch anymore arrows...if anything, just for state of mind.
Check out 1nestly. His videos go in depth about it.
My concern with twisting Left is I've suspected it loosened my broadhead on impact at close range. At this point I have so many Right-hand thread broadheads it'd stink to have to get a bunch of more difficult to find Left-hand thread ones.
Did you find a solution, I was thinking a simple o ring would fix that
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I'm having problems getting my broadheads to shoot accurately. I'm shooting a Bear Attitude, 29" draw, 67lbs with 340 spine Gold Tip XTs and Kudu Point Contour 125gr.
Last year, my G5's flew great. I changed to a heavier arrow and the Kudus and haven't been able to shoot a consistent group yet.
I'm unsure of the helical alignment of my vanes and my string twist, but I'm worried that the Kudu heads are possibly trying to turn against my vane/arrow rotation. Anyways, I'm going to get things tuned this week...
Don't know if this helps, but I shoot a Bowtech Realm 28.5" draw at 65#. I bought Goldtip Velkyrie 340 shafts that are 28" long and a 100 grain Dead Meat head. I called Goldtip about adding 20 grain F.A.C.T weights too get me to the 400 grains that I like to shoot. They told me that I should go with the 300 shaft, that the 340 would be on the edge for tuning with a broadhead.
Look up ranch fairy here on RUclips. Your issues he may be able to help with.
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Does northern or southern hemisphere of the earth matter as well? In the northern hemisphere, things naturally rotate counter clockwise. In the southern hemisphere they rotate clockwise.
@Trump 2020 it matters for rifle bullets
To be more precise it is actually the serving that affects the arrow spin if you twist a string clock wise and serve it clock wise arrows spin anti clockwise how ever if you serve the same string the wrong way ( anti clockwise ) arrow will spin clockwise )
I shoot left handed. Regardless of the way the bare shaft spins is it better to do the left helical or no major difference?
My shafts spin right so have right helical how much of an off set? 1°-2° or 3° off set ? I only hunt from a tree or ground for whitetail shot not further then 40 yards.
Left helical will unscrew heads on target contact especially with broadheads
Yea, that's the one thing that keeps me shooting RH helical. I just shot my bows and all of the arrows turned counter clockwise (to the left). So I may start twisting my strings to the left when I make strings from now on.
i think you would see more of a difference with a fixed blade broadhead than a field trip i maybe wrong but always just assumed that
You might have something there I have a right hand helical fletching my fixed broad heads are always to the right
I have an older bow that has the steel cable and bow string withe what is referred to as soft cams the bow string is strait and I shoot a left handed bow how do I determine which way to fletch my arrows I also use a whisker brisket arrow rest will this help with this?
Do the test I talk about in the video and fletch accordingly. Not sure how a Whisker biscuit will alter the flight, but I don't think it should have much influence on it
You do Not want a lot of helical going through a whisker biscuit, 2 degree only!!!! Or it will cork screw!
Do you put an off set on the left hand helical clamp? I seem to get more angle with an off set straight clamp than a left hand helical clamp.
You always offset a helical, otherwise you'll just have a weirdly shaped vane going straight down the shaft
Yeah you'll still want to offset it slightly
25 years shooting right. Broke my jig and borrowed a mates which is left and never noticed any difference in accuracy at all.
Wish you were in Michigan.
It's hot out here in Texas kinda windy lately
Yeah it was really nice today, but it's supposed to start rainung for the rest of the weekend
So what happens if it naturally wants to shoot left but you already shoot a right single bevel broadhead?
How did the left versus right helical test go?
They shot exactly the same
for Target Archers , What is an ideal FOC with an 400 grain arrow ?
There’s no “ideal”. Everts set up will like something a little different. Usually 10-15%
Can this test be done with a pre fletched arrow? I have Easton axis 5mm, pre fletched. They look to have no offset in the vane. I tried this test and they are spinning right. Do you think this is accurate? Or should I not trust this since the are fletched?
You have to use a bare shaft
The natural spin has nothing to do with string twist. It's a function of the arrow straightening with two planes of bend in it, once the nock clears the string. With dead straight arrows which the pros are using, there's little planing while the arrow gets up to rotational speed if the vanes are contra fletched to the natural spin. That's why they don't see much variation with fletching in either direction. However, if you've got budget arrows that aren't that straight, spinning them up instantly is critical to average out their flight variation. If that arrow isn't spinning for the first few feet out of the bow, the bend will make it veer in one direction for a relatively long period of time. All of a sudden, you have a problem. You can reduce the issue by fletching with your natural spin direction.
Dead straight expensive arrows won't show any issue. Cheap arrows with only a few thou bend WILL. This is why some people see a big difference and others don't. As the video says, every little advantage is worth it. Getting your arrows spinning as soon as you can is just basic performance insurance.
@@InsideOutPrecision , It's called a Zero Angular Momentum Turn. As the arrow is being driven, it gets bent, but it also has a wave running through it like when you flick a rope. When these two bends are in different axes, you get the arrow almost bent in a spiral. The thing that makes this spiral possible is the nock holding onto the string. Once the nock comes off the string, there's no force being applied to the arrow any more, so the spiral shape flattens out. The thing is, the weight of the arrow is not equally distributed around the spiral shape, but it all tries to go back into a straight line.
If this doesn't make sense, next time you go to home depot, grab a length of PVC electrical conduit, grip it firmly in the middle and wave it back and forth a bit. Then start relaxing your grip on it, halfway through the flex. Feel that mother spin in your hand as it flexes back and forward. Voila: Zero Angular Momentum Turn.
@@admacdo Well explained. Thanks for the knowledge!
When buying a jig is it better to get straight with option to do left or right offset or get a helical? Basically is there a benefit to helical over offset?
Would saw a 1 or 2 degree helical on a four fletch be viable? Curious because my VXR shoots my 3 vane helical with a wag but my 4 vane without a helical has a slight wag
I have a left helical
Well no matter what your helical is, if your arrow isn't flying straight its because you need to tune your bow. But I wouldn't go over a 2° helical on a 4 fletch
@@InsideOutPrecision thank you for the tip👍🏻 I appreciate it
I have only tuned it for a straight three vane configuration so I'll tune it for a four fletch
Arrow flight out of it longbow helical makes a huge difference, I shoot right helical
If you got arrows with straight vanes I suppose it would be possible to do the “natural spin test” for the bow with the vanes on?
The way I understand this, it is the spin that the bow creates that you want to figure out so all you need is a “neutral” arrow. I guess that with straight arrows this rotation might be less than with a bare shaft but still there.
You can't have any vanes if you do the spin test. My arrows spin naturally to tue left, and I have shot left and right helical arrows at 60 yards at the same time. Absolutely no difference in group size, so I've come to the conclusion it doesn't matter which way they spin, as long as they spin. Straight vanes are like throwing a knuckle ball
@@InsideOutPrecision OK, so no need for the spin test in the first place?
Does this apply to crossbow bolts too?
Not sure, I know nothing about crossbows.
If, as you suggest, the arrow rotation is determined by the twist of the string, wouldn't it stand to reason to simply re-twist the string in the opposite direction as opposed to re-fletching all you arrows from a right spin to a left spin configuration (especially if, like me, you have more than a dozen arrows to re-fletch.) ? I'm going to try that and see what difference it makes (if any). Stay tuned......
Don't do that. The serving on the string is served in the direction the string twists. If you gonoposite your peep is going to do a 180 when you draw. Much more time consuming than just refletching
@@InsideOutPrecision You can stop worrying, I didn't do it. That thought crossed my mind after I left my comment. I've got over 30 yrs in archery and I'm by no means a "newbie" to it. I've owned over 50 different bows in my life and have done the work on almost all of them. I cut my own arrows, make my own strings and pretty much only go to my local bow shop to see if they have anything new I'm interested in buying. I read many years ago about the "right hand bow/ left wing fletching" set up, but ended up going with a right hand fletching since I've never been in any pro-comp tournament and my set ups worked fine for me. Your advice seems well founded though, and I'll keep it in mind the next time I need to replace a set of strings.
I saw a slow motion video and the arrow with the right helical didn't start spinning until it was 14 feet away from the bow. The left helical started spinning almost immediately. I wonder if you would see a bigger difference in windy situations.
I wonder if the shaft spun left already? Any idea?
Yes it did. That was the point of the video. They wanted to show the potential benefits of arrow clocking. On a perfect day I don't think it will make much difference, but I do think you will see a difference in wind