What went wrong for Man Utd against Tottenham?
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Manchester United suffered a disappointing defeat to an impressive Tottenham on match day two of the Premier League 23/24 season, with Ange Postecoglou's side causing all sorts of problems in a 2-0 win. But were Erik ten Hag's players simply unlucky, or are worrying patterns emerging in Man Utd's play?
JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie have analysed the match to find where Man Utd need to improve.
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Why doesn’t Ten Hag just get an eagle to pass the ball from their goal to their oppositions goal?
Glazers and McG!
Eagles can't leave the goal area, once they kick it out they can never leave.
Because the eye of Sarr-on is ever watchful
What's the joke/reference here? I don't get it.
@@mikespearwood3914 In their podcast, they argued extensively about the eagles in the lord of the rings and why they weren't used from the start.
So cool as an Aussie seeing an Australian manager making the Premier League and seemingly getting respect straight away. I grew up with Aussie players playing in the major European leagues so the occasional talented Aussie succeeding in Europe wasn’t so far fetched but a Aussie manager managing in Europe always seemed so unlikely. Amazing achievement by Ange.
Yeah, it's wild that he's been able to get a very well established team, and the response to that signing was pretty quickly "this is a good signing". I really hope he can achieve some success.
Righto, fair dinkum…he’s definitely no flaming galah, he’ll do just fine. Hoo roo
Known about him for a while, Pep was very vocal about praising him when he was back in Australia, if pep says you’re good then you’re good. No surprise that he’s doing good, probably a top 4 finish for spurs, definitely top 6, almost certainly above Man U
@@joestockton7016 Stone the crows Joe!
I hope he serves as an example for more Aussie managers to succeed in Europe, his attack football is very good.
I think Bissouma being super press resistant was also a big part of this particular match. United had some success in pressing Porro, but once he moved wider/higher it meant Rashford or Bruno had to press Bissouma, who is better at dribbling than both of the players are at tackling.
The amount of content with this "What went wrong" series will certainly keep this channel going.
It's a long season, definitely alot of things would go wrong
Man utd already contributed 2 episodes this time
Most of it like football in the modern era is just bs over analysis of the game to sound smart & churn out content.
@@d.b.cooper1And all the fancy tech and software intensifies it. It's a blend of smoke, mirrors and horseshit. People are lapping it up like sheep.
Just say you don't understand it and bounce@@michouharoliyk2050
Big Ange has spurs playing good. Actually exciting watching them again. Which, from neutral pov, very refreshing from the José-Conte defensive Spurs.
They looked promising, especially for a team so early in a rebuild that also lost their star player.
But I think people are getting carried away. Through no action of Spurs, Man utd missed 2 sitters and were robbed of a penalty. It could have been 2 or 3-0 at half time which obviously changes the whole dynamic of the game. Don't get me wrong Man Utd were awful and deserved to lose but against opposition with better finishing Spurs would have been dead before the 2nd half. I think it was more a case of Man Utd being terrible than Spurs being great.
@@cianmulvey5552 you talking like Spurs were super lucky, mentioning United missed 2 sitters but didnt Spurs hit the post couple times as well? Not to mention some fouls in the pen box.
@@cianmulvey5552spurs have had lower xg against Brentford and Man Utd so might be slightly fortunate to an extent, but the reason Spurs fans are excited is that he made big calls at the weekend like Porro in for Emerson and Sarr in for Skipp and neither played badly and would be the more safe options against Man Utd but he went for it and got a bit of luck. Compared to Conte/Mourinho/Nuno though it's like night and day and enjoyable to watch again. The CD is very weak outside Romero and Van De Ven though and injury to either one and there could be a few high scoring games against Spurs
@@cianmulvey5552I don’t disagree. Son and Kulusevski are obviously not who Ange wants as wide forwards and he doesn’t have the options or the money to replace them with who he wants. But I don’t doubt he’ll find solutions to his problems quite quickly. I can see Solomon starting over Son and Son moving to ST with Richarlison getting dropped. Because Son is a better natural striker than Richarlison and Spurs don’t need him to cut in like he used to.
@lhy8373 : I'm pretty sure all of that happened after Man Utd had their chances. Goals change games, by that point the whole dynamic would be different if they were 3 goals down. A more clinical opponent could have finished them before they had a chance to grow into the game. Again, they done very well compared to expectations and deserved to win over the course of the game but I really think people are getting carried away.
In both Utds games their high press looked lazy. For me it's not tactics, it's energy output from the players. Spurs hunted players down in small packs, ManU jogged up individually and watched the ball being pass around them
Bissouma and Sarr chopped up Garnacho, it was sad to watch
Our press starts with Rashford whuch means it doesn't start.
@@Antonio-hb8rdexactly. Rashford is not a number 9. Until one of Hojlund or Martial is starting we will continue to struggle
Media haven't talked about pressing since Ronaldo left 🤔😂
Rashford has always been lazy
Oof Tifo might have to make many more *_What went wrong for Man Utd_* videos this season 💀
need to make a series for united and chelsea😂
Mounts 11 passes in 80 mins was a sure contributor…
I genuinely thought he'd been taken off for Eriksen. Couldn't believe it when he was subbed off again 5 minutes from the end...
@@OlliePooleCowleyeth is lost in terms of substitutions. We have seen in too many times now. Wrong substitutions so many times.
@@ek6352United had the most goals from substitutes last season….
Because he is playing a role that is not for him, what i mean is not the cm role but the role he was assigned to in that position
Mount signing doesn’t made sense to me at all.I still to this day don’t know what he’s good at.I always thought of him as an AM who’s not so talented but works hard but they already have Bruno who’s far better and his progressive carries are shocking too.
This should be a series for the entire season 🤣🤣🤣
Same for at least 15 other teams then
@@soso-V12 Only If the other teams also have spent over 250m in the last 2 seasons
@@alteringmatter8782you mean 400million
@@alteringmatter8782why don’t we get these constant videos on Chelsea then
@@payblo2734we’re probably getting one soon 😂😂😂
It's interesting to see these two teams early in the season. Utd still don't look like they have an understanding of what to do in all phases of the game, and also don't seem able to adapt. Spurs already look more adaptable, and often seem to understand what they're doing. Does this speak to the inherent problems in the squad/club, or the ability of the coaches?
Probably a bit of both tbh
less egos at spurs
Really the game came down to Bissouma and Sarr being able to completely control the midfield when Man U was pressing by playing quick, well-timed passes outside to Son or Kulusexy.
I dont think Spurs midfield made a single mistake on their own side of the field
I think Sarr and Bissouma were the issues for United because their midfield just couldn’t match them in the midfield.
Sarr was the phenomenal in both boxes and was frequently skipping past the United players and getting the ball forward. And Bissouma, like last week, was excellent at winning the all back and resisting the press whilst picking out Son and Kulusevski. Sarr mainly was so comfortable going forward that United’s midfield was overwhelmed because Mount was sticking deep and wasn’t getting forward to try and get the ball off Sarr and it left every midfield battle a 2v1 which Casemiro had no chance of stopping.
I hope Tifo remembers that moments like 3:27 are the reasons why I always come back to your content. Great in depth video with levity
I’ve been patiently waiting for this analysis 😅👍🏼.
Thank you for the insightful video! Appreciate it.
I understand the slightly poorer defense and lack of chances from Man Utd's side, but can we also discuss about how poor United were whenever they did have the ball and how they used those chances? I feel like in both games (Wolves & Spurs) our wingers especially felt very poor, lost and didn't know what to do with the ball. The decision making by them were left questionable most of the time and this lead to Rashford being extremely underserviced and frustrated (understandably). Is this just me and my very amateur analysis of the game or do other see it the same way as i do?
Even Rashford himself said on Neville video few weeks ago that he doesnt enjoy playing as center, prefers as left winger and get more time with the ball game instead of waiting 20 minutes for the ball then just to get intercepted as a striker.
No you're right. They were poor. When they were trying to attack they sometimes looked like a team who didn't know each other and were being coached by a div 8 Sunday league geezer.
The Mount conundrum might actually be solved by playing him in the front 3. He's not a midfielder in the mould of a box to box which is what we need... Stick him on the right, play a sancho as the f9 until hojlund is available, rashford left... Eriksen and Casemiro and get a true 8 to pair with Case, preferably someone who can occupy the 6 in defensive transitions
Been saying this since before the season started! We need another 8 and Antony is replaceable.
I noticed no Fernandes
United desperately need an 8. Why did United get Mount if he wasn't that? And then also got rid of Fred who was, if imperfect.
@farhadchaudhry because we need versatility in fwd areas and Mount provides that, increased energy and technicality above what we have. Alternatively, we can drop Bruno into the 8 and run Mount as the 10. He gives us options. We always needed another 8 regardless of what we did with Fred.
@@farhadchaudhry because it was a very poorly planned signing. Bought an expensive player who didnt fit the role we needed
Are we getting a 20 minute think piece on why Chelsea have won 5 in 31 games later this week?
aww, did this trigger you?
90 million a win. Boehly masterclass
Nobody gonna click that video buddy
Nobody cares about Chelsea. They really don't have that much of a fanbase. They make more videos about United because they are a much more popular club and so get more views. Chelsea are just nobodies with a huge budget. Wouldn't make for a great or popular video
Tbh we can laugh at Chelsea all we want and we might as well while we can cause once they gel together it's gonna be scary. Whereas for utd we're not signing anyone and we're stuck with scrubs like antony sancho mount wan bisaka shaw. If varane or martinez get injured we're royally screwed 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
Erik Ten Hag blew it. You cannot field the exact same 11 that got played off their home ground by Wolves
In both games their high press looked lazy. For me it's not tactics, it's energy output from the players. Spurs hunted players down in small packs, ManU jogged individually and watched it pass around them
Yes as a Man U fan I won't be happy if he keeps playing Rashford and Bruno out of position as well. Also the players look unfit to me.
who knows if its tactics, but the point is they don't seem to do very well when they have the ball in possession. @@mickbanner
@@mickbannerthey were tactically all over the place. Ten Hag got it totally wrong. He is a decent manager but is prone to getting his tactics horribly wrong on occasion
United created ~2.0 xG and had a fairly strong case for a penalty in the first half. The main difference was that Spurs scored on some of their chances, while United didn't.
It's hardly Erik ten Hag's fault that Bruno missed the header, is it? And neither is the fact that Bruno, Mount and Casemiro all neglected to follow Sarr into the box for the first goal.
Erik ten Hag set the team up well enough to be able to created enough chances to win the match in the first half. The lack of goals is on the players, not the manager.
Big Ange is what went wrong. I told you all.
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Spurs weren’t particularly great, but that isn’t down to Ange, the system and identity of play is good, you just need the right players there, the likes of Porro and Udogie can’t invert and turn with the ball, but as a natural fullback they’re good, Sarr and Bissouma midfield was very good tho, if they can be consistent and Richy can find some goals you’ll get top 4
idk man we were clearly looking at different left backs then. He repeatedly was making driving runs up the centre/right side of the pitch. If thats not inverting than idk what is
Plus remember ange's system rarely needs both fullbacks inverting. It depends on their skill-set. eg ralson almost never inverted while greg taylor effectively played as a CM from left back. Spurs squad is perfect for his football imo@@notmeee496
More screenshots of real game examples to support your board drawings would be amazing!
Everyone laughing at haaland when he has 10 passes in the game as pure striker while mount as midfielder has 14 passes per game for 2 games in a row 😂
Yeah but mount gets unlimited hate so what’s your point
@@MeathforsamThe fact he's already being declared a waste and failure after two games by "experts" pretty much sums up the stupidity around Mount.
why would anyone laugh when Haaland scores no matter how little touches he gets
Antony needs to accept the fact that he's no Messi. He needs to stop his useless "dribbling" and start passing the ball. He also needs to stop the curved shot he keeps trying which rarely ever works!
Yeah but he can’t pass from the right because his right foot is useless 😭
I thought Ronaldo was the problem 😂
Here comes the insecure rono fans after every loss, grow up. Even ur idol is winless in a much worse league
@@arraj7896 Come on man it was a pun, take it lightly. Just banter.
@@arraj7896cry more, cr7 is greatest of all time
If Spurs can work out how to deal with united's press, then arsenal and City will slice it to pieces
Crazy how I can already see how Ange wants his team to play and Ten Hag? Well I don’t even think he knows what he wants. Long may it continue!
ok coach
Gotta completely disagree with Jon’s point about Kulusevski. One of the biggest parts of his game is to be able to go both ways there. He hasn’t been playing to the best of his abilities, I agree with that. But you could clearly see him growing in to the game in the second half. He’s young and some people take a bit longer to learn certain things than others.
He’ll be alright in that position
E: he’s a left footed right winger. Most of the time he’ll cut inside and use his stronger foot. So you showed examples of him doing both things, and it clearly worked because of the goal. No matter if it was a deflection, he still put a good ball in to the right area.
I’m done fanboying now
Don’t forget the element of being clinical. If Fernandez scores that golden chance with the header then it’s a very different game and everything changes. You have to score from those chances. No amount of tactics can compensate for not having a killer instinct.
At the same time
It is extremely concerning that we are not responding every time we go a goal down
It’s embarrassing their heads drop immediately
Wasn't Fernandes offside tho
@@MK12275 No he wasn’t. Rashford had a similar situation and was off side. I think you might be confusing the two. They showed the Fernandez chance afterwards and he was onside. Anyway , it doesn’t really matter because Fernandez didn’t know at the time. He probably partly assumed he was offside , however , that’s unprofessional for a footballer of his quality. He knows that what you have to do is bury the chance and score the goal and then ask questions later. You could tell that he was distracted because he immediately looked back at the linesman to see if he was off side.
You can’t afford to be guessing you are offside. That’s the difference between truly elite players with elite mentality and and good players with average mentality. The ability to do the exactly right thing at the right moment and be clinical and ruthless. He didn’t do that and it stopped United going 1-0 up. A Bernardo Silva or Rodri would have buried the chance and given the header full concentration ( eg head it down and give the keeper all sorts of problems ). These things make the difference between champions and also rans.
You act like its so easy to score from headers…
How can you header down when it’s above his head have you played football if it drops and he waits he gets no power on it and it’s an easy save
Great video, always love JJ and John discussing tactics. More importantly, is Tifo selling the John horse drawing shirt?
Hopefully, that shirt will soon be in the Tifo Store
This series is great !!
Why United lost..
Big Ange
That is all.
Spurs where average af
@@isaacverrall8782 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@isaacverrall8782says a lot about Man Utd then
@@isaacverrall8782someone’s salty…
@@isaacverrall8782yeah this doesn’t stick the way you think 😂
Big Ange masterclass in Coaching, first half Spurs youngsters were nervous & gave some easy balls away, from 30 mins onwards they settled & were ready to launch In second half which they completely dominated.
These videos are becoming way too common💀the real shocker would be a "what united did right" video
Honestly, ETH summed it up perfectly in the post match presser. We dominated first half and couldn’t score. Capitulated defensively second half.
Ended the game with more xG than Spurs which is decent for an away game, especially given our horrid away form thus far under ETH.
Both games thus far deserved draws roughly, so I’m happy with 3 points and I’m seeing some progress in how we manage games.
With time, and maybe another signing it’ll come together.
Two games in and we've already had two 'what went wrong Man United videos'. Long may it continue. 😂
Jon’s horse with a 6-pack 😂😂😂
It’s so good😂😂😂
8:06 The active press idea makes sense when comparing United to Newcastle. It explains why they seem to run out of energy in the second half. They are not conserving energy enough.
Ange’s Spurs after 6 games > Ten Hag’s Utd after 60 games… levels.
No one can high pressing as Wout Weghorst in man united
That was very disappointing from Shaw cos he was at fault for the first goal, for some reason he didn't close down the right winger. Very passive for our liking so he has to address his fitness & attitude otherwise we'll look to replace him.
Why can’t the question be “were Tottenham better than Man Utd”?
Because if almost everything doesn’t revolve around the biggest soap opera in the EPL, eyeballs don’t stick
Clickbait, my friend
Because it’s Spurs mate
Because UTD is bigger than Tottenham. Tottenham doesn’t create clicks
Spurs lucky , not better .
Be interesting to hear what long-term Ange watchers think he'll do about the lack of specialist wide playing wingers. Spurs just signed Kulu, and Son is captain. So does he just hope they pick it up or change the formation, push FBs wide, or what?
First 30-35 mins Man Utd were very good but once Ange figured them out and made a couple of tweaks Man Utd had no answer, defensive midfield is a real problem for Man Utd & they need Hojlund to hit the ground running or the manager will be gone and it'll be back to the drawing board.
you can barely hear the drilling and its certainly not obvious, i never notice it until you point it out, it just brings the video to a screeching halt.
I love a what went wrong for United video, I just wish I had enough time to watch them all 😂😂😂
I get there are a lot of Man U supporters. But why is it 'what went wrong for Man U' as opposed to 'what went right for Spurs?'. Man U are not entitled to win, and this bias towards Man U seems pretty standard.
JJ dropping the lyrics like a tactical/renegade master
I must say, I absolutely adore the 'Castolo' jersey behind John
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That's because Ange has one of his coaches in the stands with a birds eye view thus giving Ange this information at halftime so allowing Ange to change things
Erik's at the wheeeeeeeeeeeel
The Ange Effect
I thought mount was signed to give bruno some more rotation and protect him from injury since theyre the same player basically but it seems eth wants to change mounts position? Why wouldnt he just buy a 6 instead of mount
Wants to play 2 8s, but that won’t work when neither is great in possession or retaining the ball
I’m a Leeds fan and what’s happening to Man United used to happen to us a lot under Bielsa. We would often become disjointed when our front 5 players pressed aggressively and Kalvin Phillips (or Koch when he was out) would be left on his own to protect the defence for large periods.
Man United actually took advantage of our man marking system very well; putting 6 past us, 5 past us and 4 past us in our time in the Premier League under Marcelo.
They did it in a similar way to how Spurs did to them; they manipulated the man marking system in a way to open up areas to be attacked, particularly by having Bruno Fernandes drift to wide areas which pulled our lone defensive midfielder with him and left the zone in front of the defence wide open.
McTominay and Fred both put 2 past us which says it all really; we had nobody to manage late runners into the box as our high pressing 8’s were bypassed and our 6 was forced wide, it was actually brutal to watch.
JJ and Jon are brilliant rainmakers for the Athletic!
I always feel like we rush and don’t make good choices. If we haven’t scored a goal by the hour mark the nerves start to creep in.
What went wrong for United?? BISSSOOUUUUMMAAA
Rashford isn’t a striker, put anyone else in strike until Hojlund is fit.
I was watching a Man UTD stream and they were praising Onana the first half and then proceed to sht on him after he conceded goals. Tbh I'm more impressed that he saved them from a lotta goals tbh, give the dude some slack especially when half of his defenders are sleeping
JJ leading with John providing detail is a great mix
As long as Rashford is playing for united nothing will change.
General Bissou happened, with Super Sarr and Mighty Madders.
Kulu & Son are struggling with going outside. but Kulu did it surprisingly and Sarr scored.
Bissouma was such a great signing.
@@sld1776 Best midfielder in the EPL atm. Spur should be arrested for getting him for just 25mil
And would have been told at half time to use his right...too predictable in the first half cutting inside and having shots that did nothing...you know he will go left most of the time
ten hag is definitely cooking with this squad... but with the stove off
Another class video mate keep up the good work. Ange football is something new to spurs and I'm glad the players are backing him. United are really struggling without a striker and they should've just trusted Eriksen instead of splashing big for Mount
Eriksen hasnt got the legs for it anymore
The problem for Manchester United was that they were still getting used to a new manager and they just sold their best player... Oh no wait
This bout to become a weekly episode fr
Man Utd needs to shift to 4-2-1-3 not this 4-1-2-3 where Casimero is isolated on an island. Yes it will affect the ability to press, but right now we are overrun in midfield and we can't string passes together because our focus is on transition rather than buildup...
Also Anthony is Failure!
Ten Hag's building a high press transition team that don't create chances unless the defending team loses the ball in the build up and Ten Hag's system doesn't seem to work against a good team?
He has to play certain players like Mount, Maguire and Mctominay who are crap at progressing the ball.
He will get the sack after another huge loss to one of the big six, when the team look incapable of reaching the champions league places later on in the season. It is as obvious as Harry Maguire's ego and sense of entitlement.
Hojlund had better be an incredible player or this is the end of another United manager under the Glazers and John Murtough's regime of mediocrity.
Didn't you guys said Ronaldo was the biggest issue with Man United, Cavani before that, Pogpa before that.😂😂Nothing is changed, until the glazers leave and leadership changes you can keep on blaming every player but Man United with remain the same.
What went wrong? Man United severely overhyped a manager because he gives a tough demeanour and then proceeded to spend hundred of millions on mediocre players apart from Casemiro.
I live for these breakdown videos, keep them coming
This was so good!! Keep it up JJ and Jon
They were poor ...and i loved it.....top 3 😂😂😂
Also that caicedo penalty... loved it... brilliant week
This type of video is great !!
United had more shots and more good chances than Spurs they just didn't put those good chances in the goal. Spurs created less, but got lucky. It wasn't the one sided game that most seemed to think it was.
Man u fans blaming glazers when ten hag splashed a combined around 140 million on 2 flops
I love the t-shirt with Jon's epic horse drawing on. Where can I buy one?
no reason for this video to be 19 minutes long. anthony is an awful winger, rashford isn’t a 9, mount, bruno, casemiro essentially couldn’t stop tripping over each others feet and ten hag is a bad coach. 0 wins against the top 6 is not an elite coach.
what went wrong for united against spurs is that the front 5 attacking players were borderline shite. they can't score, give the ball away really easily and then take a tea break when the opposition has the ball.
Onana's signing actually got me wondering if United should have kept Weghorst. Last season they tried to play long off him to set up the wingers. With Onana he'd be playing the role Dzenko had at Inter where Onana would play direct long balls to him.
Did not expect the Renegade Master bit from JJ
I'm surprised JJ managed to get a shirt with Jon's hench horse so quickly made
I need to keep seeing these videos about United, how they’ve seemed to go backwards is beyond me
they're not really, trying a different style from last season with a new player in the team, they'll adapt plus hojllund will help a lot
The first half when United looked dangerous mainly came from silly passes from spurs , you can say it was due to pressure but a better passing team would have destroyed United.
The Bruno/ Mount problem doesn’t work bc they don’t have the fullbacks to cover. Maybe Dalot could
Two Dalots on the United bench, great signing!
Ten hang went wrong. I know it’s right to criticize the players but repeating same tactics and techniques and then expecting different results is the height of foolishness. Well Ten hang did get a different result
I can tell you for certain that Mount should be a sub player for Bruno, they shouldn't play at the same time, they're too similar apart from the defensive running that Mount does. It does not help us in midfield and we get overrun when comes time to defend
I think the portrayal of United’s style and system is wrong. The idea being given in this video is a Jurgen Klopp esque style of play when I think it is quite the opposite. The idea of transition is more about building up through the phases quickly when on the ball then it is about pressing and going defense to offense.
Mount went wrong 😂
The RUclips play button is perfectly positioned in the centre circle on mobile, and it's incredibly satisfying.
If ETH sets United so during the initial press. If he intentionally leaves a man in the middle open that may be a way of baiting that specific pass. Then he could have United players loosely surrounding those passing options + that extra man behind the ball adding more defensive cover.
Rashford got that bumper contract and said imma chill from here on out 😂
has anybody noticed that Tifo had our legend, the mighty Castolo from PES? I won the champions league with him back in 2008 😂
I couldn't hear the drilling because the drilling outside my own house is too loud
ABOUT TIME THIS VIDEO COME OUT
Antony's decision making was poor. United created a lot of opportunities from the press in the first half and Antony and Garnacho kept wasting the chances
i was surprised to see Bissouma played like Dembele, but more surprising that Conte refuse to play that guy, and chose Bentancur instead.
Do one for Chelsea vs westham
Now the real question is: Is Cerberous helping them drill out of hell? If not, can he be sufficiently distracted with pets and belly rubs?
Michael Oliver has to take some responsibility for blowing the whistle at the start of the match.
I'd say you should more videos like this but every time the camera pans back to JJ, he's wearing an extra t-shirt