The Last of Us Part 2 - Joel Tells Ellie the Truth about the Fireflies // Flashback #3
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Crazy how warm Joel got to Ellie that you hear tenderness in his voice.
He's a completely different character. As If he's known happiness he hasn't in decades.
Because he is her dad now
I loved these scenes because of that
Because Ellie brought him back from what he had become. He was a good person in the beginning but he changed.
Makes me all the more pissed off as to how poorly they treated his character
And she's a bitch to him because of that. Don't show too much kindness or people will run all over you while mistaking it for weakness. He really should've called her to order here the same way he did after Tess' death or after she ran off at Tommy's. Show some damn respect for the man who completed your journey and saved your life for nothing in return.
Ellie: Just say it...
Joel: I couldn't find all of the Savage Starlight comic books.
Ellie: 7:53
You savage lol.
I thumbed up.
Fell Man noice
The actor’s reaction to the ending
Oh my god he's truly a monster no wonder Ellie left him alone
LMAOOOOHGGIIKNUJ IM DEAD
8:26 ripped my heart out 😢 the look on Joel's face is absolutely fucking heartbreaking. He already lost one daughter...he sure as hell wasn't going to lose another. RIP Joel Miller, you were one of the true greats in gaming. Gone but absolutely NEVER forgotten.
Best scene of the game. This should be the crux of the game. This should be the pivotal moment in which Ellie builds her own life and has it shattered by a death close to her, and Joel attempting to make up for his mistake and sacrificing himself for her for her forgiveness. But no. We got fucking Abby.
What other death close to her would remotely make sense for this story? And what motive would the villian have for killing her loved one? The problem with this game isnt that Joel is killed in the way that he is, the problem is that ellie dosent get her revenge and tries to be the bigger person and is punished for it by losing her family and losing the ability to play Joel's guitar which is her last memory of him. The game shouldve ended with her letting the revenge quest go and living a happy life with her family or she goes out and kills abby only to realise revenge has gotten her nowhere and she ends up alone and heartbroken. Druckman tried to have it both ways, and it dosent work.
That sounds like shit. I’m glad Neil is the director and not you.
@@nachoprime9649 but at the same time Joel is one of the best characters in anything ever (I like him more than Ellie tbh), he should've stayed the main character. they had so much to work with
Dragonage2ftw you must be the 1% then
exactly, i kinda expected joel to die at some point, and considering the type of man he was, u would expect to be some sort of redeeming death, but nope, we got golf
They literally lied in their marketing to try to make people believe that this scene was in the future, so people would still think this game’s about Ellie and Joel. In the trailers it’s the exact same scene except they swapped these models with their older versions
They where trying to subvert expectations
@@hakon-uu1pg they did kinda like Marvel with Avengers Infinity War trailers
@@assassin1162 but Marvel did a great job, no fan hit Marvel for Iron Man death...
@@hakon-uu1pg and failed miserably, way to go
Really? What trailer it is?
What bugs me is that the fireflies removed Ellie’s choice in the matter. They just took her and took away her free will. I wouldn’t have left a cure to people like that. Especially to people that beat me while trying to save her and throw me out after completing a mission. To hell with the fireflies.
Well tbf there’s no telling if the vaccine would’ve even actually worked in the first place, and if they could distribute it in an organized way that would give it to everybody and actually save humanity.
@@antoniorodriguez162 true. If by some miracle they managed to reach cities without getting shot than someone on the higher position could take the advantage out of it and trade it for weapons and ammo. Also vaccine works only on those who get infected, but in most cases they end up dying by getting mauled to death or something. Its not like wwz where zombies cant actually notice who is one of them. Still no way to rebuild the word until every zombie is dead
Joel did the same thing.
Ellie would have wanted to die if that meant a cure could be made
If you want to make the context even worse they were about to throw Joel out of the hospital *_without ANY his combat/survival gear._* AFTER he just brought them what they thought would save humanity. FUCK these guys
Imagine if we got a story revolving around this...
I actually wouldn't want that. Then again I wouldn't want this game's story either.
It does, it revolves around forgiveness and mercy. Ellie was repairing her relationship with Joel when Abby killed him
But it is
Jacob Odom no mate. Ellie was ‘trying’ to repair his relationship with Joel that night, then the next morning Joel went out early with Tommy and died.
we did
Love how they lied in the marketing to make people think this scene took place in present day
Probably remodel
They knew no one would like it so they mislead us into thinking Dina died and Joel is helping Ellie avenge her in the trailer.
@@Christianesquivel-ni6ce That doesn't make any sense, this scene takes place in the past. They already had models for younger joel/ellie and they intentionally swapped them out for the present ones in the trailer.
"lied"? You need to educate yourself on the definition of the word, there's a difference between misdirection and a lie.
Incorrectly directing someone and telling someone the wrong way to go is the same thing you dolt
The acting in this scene is great. Troy & Ashley both deserve an Oscar for their performances.
They can’t win oscars
NexusGamer Theycan win game awards for best performance
The acting in this whole game is fucking great. The problem is the writing in 80% of it.
sergiooh97 these actors were fucked by a terrible story. Just like how the old Star Wars actors, and Adam driver, were screwed by scripts. Despite being marvelous actors
Did you guys really think that Ellie would be grateful for Joel saving her from the operation?
Joel knew that Ellie was willing to sacrifice herself for this cause. That's why he lied to her.
I was 100% with Joel. I would have done the same for someone I love. The cure wasn't a sure thing. Can't risk her dying for nothing.
@@Ocelot4R people dont understand that.
@@Ocelot4R I think Neil Druckmann said the vaccine would've worked. TLOU is not meant to be taken super realistic.
@@Ocelot4R HE wasn't okay with that risk but SHE was.
Ocelot4R If that’s what you took away from the story then you didn’t learn anything.
absolutely heart breaking scene. everything built by the first game shattered with one sentence, “So i stopped them.”
This should’ve been the whole plot of the game, Ellie finding out that Joel was lying while some of the remaining fireflies are trying to go after them then Joel makes a sacrifice to save Ellie again
really creative
I like this idea
That plot would’ve been predictable af and very unoriginal. I’m not saying I like this games plot or what they did with the story but that isn’t good either.
That's almost everyone's fanfiction since 2013.
Oooh very creative but instead they killed off the main character with the daughter of a surgeon
I'll go back, but we're done.
You once told me, everyone you cared for had either died or left you and you think for one second i'd let the fireflies take you from me. No, and i dont regret it *roll credits*
Lol at that point Ellie would kill him.
That acting is phenomenal
Shut up it’s garbage
@@randychampion2137 look man story is trash and neil druckmann is sjw nutjob and i get people hate him. I do too but the acting is fantastic... and also the dialogue. there's no denying this
PapiDarko Ehh some of it is pretty cringe
PapiDarko A step down from the first honestly
@@Cheeks730 by "movie" comparison, the direction was basically hollow imo. It's like having this Oscar winner actors acting for a movie like CATS.
Oofs ...
no matter what Joel did the right thing he lost sarah but he isn't losing ellie besides a vaccine wouldn't work after 20 years of the world in chaos
It might have actually. The fireflies were not going to be the ones to do it since they were idiots acting like they knew what they were doing, but if someone knew, it would have helped. Sadly, Joel doesn’t care about any of that. Same with Ellie after a while.
@@moonmoon2479 if you listen to the audio tapes it shows that the doctors were somewhat inept. They didnt have the knowledge or the tools to make the cure. And even if they were able to by some deus ex machina levels of bullshitery. They would not have had the means to spread it around. They were a dwindling group of survivors being hunted by the government. The best case for the human race to survive is to just let it be. Eventually the infected will die off and the humans would probably still be left alive
Zebo8000 yeah, someone else may have, and that knowledge might have saved Joel’s relationship with Ellie. Like I said, while a cure may be possible, the fireflies weren’t going to be the ones to do it, speaks volumes that when Marlene died, they all gave up.
LMAAAOOO so the right thing to do is to keep the world populated with fungus-zombies....
@@TowDow3 the medics didn't even had the resources to mass produce a vaccine. Killing ellie would be pointless.
is nobody going to mention Ashley's acting skills here?
Ashley is such a good actress and Troy too btw
The truth will set you free
Bro stfuuuu damn!
And save you money
Shut up cope
Cope cope cope shut the hell up
Radio Free Oregon
Right after Ellie pushed Joel, nostalgia hits him:
*Oh boy...*
*Here comes that same drama we had at the ranch years ago...*
P.S. Whenever emotions overwhelm Ellie, her first instinct is to push the one she truly cares for.
Joel: "Making a vaccine would have killed you...so i stopped them..."
Ellie: "OMG thank you Joel, I didn't want to die yet."
Joel: *What?*
Ellie: *What?*
That could’ve been a set up for the game. Joel trying to restore the relationship with Ellie, even takes the bullet protecting her. And the ending could’ve been more touching and emotional, Joel dying in her arms, and then Ellie forgives him.
"Joel dying in her arms" lol
This is The Last Of Us, not a mediocre movie
TLOU2 is what TLOU franchise stands for
Ayrton Michaque people are ridiculous to think he was gonna get a heroic ending lmao. Not in this world
Floop I think they mean a relatively heroic ending not like a world changing one
@@ayrtonmichaque7214 but Joel's daughter died in his arms so I fits perfectly But no we needed shehulk to bash his brains in after saving her only about an hour into the game. I wasted my money on a while of shit.
@@ayrtonmichaque7214 Your right it's a mediocre game.
But didn't all the side notes that lead up to saving ellie say that the fireflies tried to make a vaccine from 20 other patients and it didn't work? I don't understand why Joel didn't tell her that. He has more than ample reason to believe that itd kill ellie and make no difference at all. Piss poor writing.
He didn't tell her, because this game is a fucking bullshit, they removed some content of the first game, to make this scene happen, removing context and everything else.
I'm pretty sure there were several other live patients. Throughout the game they kept saying "they are others like you". There were other immune people and they experimented on them live in pretty sure. I gotta go back to that part of the game
@MegaJf16 no, there is more people who are immune, but Ellie is special, that is why she is more important than the others, and even tho there was no guarantee the surgery would work, her uniqueness had more of a chance to actually work, and maybe even save the world
@@dneuro2185 That's some chosen one bs right there ngl
@MegaJf16 If Marlene and the doctor really believed that, they would have given Ellie the choice. They didn't though, because they had no choice and wanted to feel semi-righteous about murdering a child who trusted them.
Damn you really do see Joel starting to tear up in 8:26, he knew it was about time to tell her.
Ellie and Joel flashbacks: ❤️
Abby flashbacks: 😑😒
story is trash but the flashbacks are worth it Ellie and Joel's flashbacks of course
the flashbacks feel like the actual story. they feel so detached from the actual story.
The “present day story” is whatever, i wish we actually saw how the story continues from here :(
how is the story trash? did you play it?
Are there at least a couple hours of these Joel/Ellie flashbacks? I might buy the game just for that
Kermit The Frog No need to since watching the videos on RUclips which you should do so as well.The story is badly put tgt thus sending a very contradicting message to the players.The flashbacks are the only awesome things TBH
This game will always be as heart wrenching and personal as it was experiencing it the first time
I like to think TLOUS2 isn't cannon
Muaaz Akbar , yes of course. .TLOU2 is the nightmare that Joel dreamed of. In the morning he wakes up, and then goes to play golf with Ellie.
You and probably the entire world. A Korean streamer snapped his copy of the disc in two after the golf scene. I even heard folks in Australia are refunding their copies en masse.
Can’t be cannon if I don’t play it 👌
@@eyeizarandummugga yea...definitely not the entire world. You'll have to get over that a huge percentage like the game.
No, but I’d like to shoot it out of a cannon.
I wanna know how Joel felt like the ride going back the emotions he was probably feeling
It was probably a really awkward ride with lots of silence
Troy Baker is such a good VA.
Ellie needed to look at it from his point of view. The pain of losing a child is unmeasurable and Making a cure in a world that HASN’T fallen apart is insanely difficult and time consuming. The likelihood of the fireflies actually being able to make a cure is slim. Joel did the right thing by saving Ellie from a meaningless death.
But then any other death till this point would be meaningless too, Ellie also lost people close to her, people like Tess, who chose Ellie's life instead of hers, because Ellie was a beacon of hope, those peoples were also part of her life and Joel strip away the meaning of their life. It was a tough choice for sure.
The fact that Ellie said to Joel at the end “I was supposed to die in that hospital. My life would have mattered”
The way I see it, her life’s matters if she’s alive too. Liek the people she helps in Jackson, the friends she makes, her moments with Joel. All that wouldn’t have happened if she died in that hospital. Her life matters more if she’s alive
@@lukekiely2450 Ellie had/has survivor's guilt. That's why she brings up Riley, Tess, and Sam at the end of the first game before making Joel swear he was telling the truth. I think the only thing that helped her cope was the idea that she lived and they died because she was the answer to ending this whole thing. Whether it actually worked or not didn't matter, and Joel's decision made it so she would never know.
Lemme just say that making a cure by taking her brain matter is scientific bullshit. So the fireflies would've killed the only immune person they'd ever find, probably.
And vaccines are not for fungi.
If only if we had part 2 about Joel and Ellie and not about Abby...
That probably happen in another universe
Right i was so confuses when she was introduced
Second game sucked at least for me
Gerarudo and our universe sucks then
Exactly!!
Their relationship is what held the story together .. now its gone and the storyline is ruined .. wth Atleast his death should of been more dramatic
@Prophet Or maybe she lost everyone because of her revenge, and only when it was right in front of her did she realize that.
xOogieBoogie3x her revenge wasn’t the reason she lost everyone, it was because she was unforgiving and hateful. She couldn’t forgive Joel for what he had done, even though his actions were logical and ended up saving her. It was this instinctive hatred that pushed Joel away in the first place into the situation that would eventually become his demise. In the beginning of the game all you know is that Seth had said something homophobic, but came to apologize to her about his mistake, she refused his apology and gave his “bigot sandwiches” to Jesse, which was a huge sign of her own bigoted nature. Abby was essentially her match in this regard because even though Joel had saved her life (like he did Ellie), she clung on to hate and un forgiveness. Because of Joel’s death, their hate would eventually crash into each other. Ellie even left Dina for her hateful pursuit and lost her as well in the process. In the end she lost everyone and didn’t even get her revenge, and I think the reason they wrote it like this was because it wasn’t revenge she was seeking all along, it was hate, and it was only when she realized she couldn’t hate Abby anymore that she came to understand she had truly lost everything.
You could even see it in the gameplay too, her facial expressions when she stealth kills, she’s not cool about it, she’s taking out aggression every time.
It’s the reason I believe the developers make you play as both Ellie and Abby, to further emerge the players in this feeling of hate and aggression that both Ellie and Abby represent.
Truth is what I find stupid about it all is I doubt she would even have learned that lesson herself, yet the producers put a lot of effort to make everyone believe that to be the case. Rather it’s very hypocritical because these were the same people shouting obscenities at people on twitter and taking down videos containing any of the spoilers.
Honestly I’m glad I didn’t buy the game, i just watched gameplays and skipped to the important scenes to save time. It looks like a great stealth game to be honest, and I would play it purely for that reason alone, but overall it just looks like a waste of time.
@@InfamousX1000 You missed the narrative by a mile. It's almost like you don't remember what Ellie says to Joel at the end of Part I. What Joel did was good for himself, and everyone should be somewhat sympathetic in understanding the loss his character went through to understand the decisions he made, but he objectively it was the wrong decision, and it went against even Ellie's wishes in the end.
It's a tragic tale for everyone, because all Joel wanted is to be a father again. Ellie believed she should have been the martyr to find a cure, and her life feels empty because of it - hence her conflicted feelings about Joel after finding out that he lied - but at the same time, as she struggles to find meaning for herself or forgive Joel for what he did, in the end, in their last conversation shown in the end of the game, she tells him she's like to try to forgive him - ultimately the next day, the former Fire Flies catch up to him, and Abby inflicts her vengeance on him for the murder of her father, and the ultimate downfall of the FFs themselves. But in that moment of his dying breath, he can see that Ellie still loves him, and she decides (like Abby) to make getting vengeance for him her life's mission.
Abby and Ellie mirror each other, but they're just in differences in their journey. Abby ruined her relationship over obsessing over training to avenge her father, and after she does so she feels dissatisfied with her actions, and ultimately her actions bring pain, suffering, and death upon the people she loves as result of her actions - and a war between Jackson & Abby's circle breaks out trading blows. Ultimately Ellie and Tommy destroy everything around her.
Everybody's actions are justified, but morally wrong. It's very grey but equally dark. By the end of all of it, Abby has simply given up - she's over it, having lost enough. Ellie realizes what she's become as she drowns Abby - her pain reaches a breaking point and she relents, letting Abby go. That was honestly the biggest redeeming moment for an Ellie who had otherwise crossed too many lines seeking Justice, more so than even Abby ever did, though she came close - Lev stopped her and allowed her to see how deep she was stooping into the darkness.
In the end, everyone gets what they deserve, and they walk away broken and empty handed.
@@xOogieBoogie3x sounds a what's it called.... Yeah a horrible story
@@Danosauruscrecks "It's a horrible story because it's not like my fanfiction!" That's what most of the people like you sound like
if you stop right their at 8:17 that's when her heart breaks up
8:20 I would of did the same thing if I was Joel
But if only Joel played the audio tapes he found in the hospital right when Ellie said “just say it”
Part of me wishes Ellie couldve learned about this posthumously rather than before Joels death. Wouldve made a more complicated story of Ellie grappling with the man Joel was and how he wasnt perfect and did bad things but still accepts him as who he was.
My god, the acting is just--wow.
If Ellie has this Mutated Gene that grants her Immunity,it stands to reason that any children she would have would carry that mutation and also be Immune. I wonder why nobody thought about that??
Ellie is kinda being an asshole to Joel the whole time
Edit: never mind I see why
"kinda"
Are you kidding me? She just realized he robbed her of what she thought was her destiny, doomed the world of its' best chance for a cure and made her feel guilty about it. And above all, the only person she trusts lied to her face time after time when asked about it...
In Joel's place I understand him, but in Ellie's place I would go nuts.
Thats sorta the point of the game. She screwed her relationship with Joel and loses him before she can fix it. Her whole revenge thing is lowkey only for herself
@@vladi1Z you'd think a vaccine would change anything after a world in chaos for 20 years? Lmfao. And not only that but also that the zombies don't have to infect you to kill you.
how? her entire relationship with joel was based of a lie
Joel lost his daughter, he can't lose ellie after all ellie has been through hell and Joel was there taking care of her, but just to come this far making a vaccine that would kill Ellie. I was hoping a story for Joel finding redemption but instead getting shit on by so called " it Ma'am " 2 hours in a game early. Whoever makes this story needs to be fired and never make a story again.
The writers probably arent even professional in writing. ND really messed up big BIG time.
Story writing dude is the same as in the first game. You wanna fire him for not pandering to your bitching?
@Redstones Amy Henning, she's a goddess. I'm pretty sure she helped to write the story of TLOU 1, but that bitch Neil Druckmann fired her becuase he didn't like her writing.
Gappy she didn’t help write TLOU stop being an idiot
Redstones Her name is Amy Hennig
8:31 you can see the teardrops on the jacket amazing
bro false advertising should be illegal lmao tf is this
It is illegal, it's just not enforced much
i- are y’all really- my god stop being whiny little boys and grow tf up LOL trailers are supposed to mislead you are y’all dumb?
@@MaryLab2930 seems like you're the whiny little boy here lmao
@@MaryLab2930 no..... They aren't...
@@MaryLab2930 bruh there not your proper slow ya know that
I'm sorry but Joel's Face after Ellie said "don't you fucking touch me" it's obvious he was hoping this day would never come, it crushed him and you can see it
The fireflies didnt care about Ellie or giving the cure away. They wanted it for there own gain
Thank you for saving me the £50
@Giorgos Poursanidis yeah
Too bad, this game is awesome
Say what you want about this game, but it was an emotional rollercoaster.
Joel is not your fault
You Want a Save her and you did it
Still selfish
@@badbada3003 humanity is more selfish than Joel
@@smoker5989 blame the person not the entire humanity
@@smoker5989 Yeah...doomed humanity because he lost his daughter...20 years to move on but didnt.
Wtf, no
It's his fault, he killed the only person who could make a vaccine
That's selfish, the whole world is like this because of one person
The animation on the faces in this game is unbe-fuckin'-lievable.
Ellie: "I fell my heart crack"😢
This game is like the third part of a trilogy that isn't really as great as the other two, except the second game doesn't even exist and was reduced to just a few flashbacks.
For years Ellie was mad because she thought she was robbed of having her life meant something for a lot of people. Later she realized her life meant a lot for Joel, and when he died she thought her life is meaningless again so she tried to throw it all away on a mission of revenge.
For a long time after her 2nd encounter with Abby, she still thought this way, and was always restless and full of guilt for Joel, so she went looking for Abby again despite Dina threatening to leave if she goes through with it.
And Ellie would have lost her family forever if she HAD gone through with her mission. Luckily, Abby is one step ahead of Ellie on her path to redemption; her priority to bring Lev to safety finally made Ellie realize she has a family that depends on her, that her life does mean something for someone else all along, and she knows she won't be able to come back to that had she killed Abby.
I wish the whole game could have been about Joel and Ellie reconciling and having wholesome father daughter moments. While still having to face whatever antagonist or whatever so that there’s still some kind of conflict.
This is the moment, this is the moment that i waited 8 years for... and it was told in a flash back, and it was less than 4 minutes. I mean damn.
SAME. We waited almost A DECADE for THIS??😧
I enjoy playing the flashbacks more than playing the actual game.
The hospital is all the way in Utah, Ellie just treats it like a day trip even though it's all the way from Wyoming
This has nothing to do with what's going on, but when I saw how cool Joel's beard looks, and how well it suits him, it made me regret I just recently shaved mine.
dude that guy is a 70 year old, and people just complaining he just got beat by a steroided she hulk
Ellie said to Joel in the hotel near Jackson, “I had so many questions for the fireflies and you (Joel) took that chance away from me” (a long those lines)
yet when joel tells her she’d of died she kicks off at him.
But I guess Joel is the only one left she can take her anger out on from that.
And how on earth did Tommy not get told about the hospital by ex fireflies if he had contact with some, as it’s how Abby found out about where to go.
ND really trying to demonized Joel for some reasons, even when he was already buried in the graveyard.
If you listen to the audio tapes it shows that the doctors were somewhat inept. They didnt have the knowledge or the tools to make the cure. And even if they were able to by some deus ex machina levels of bullshitery. They would not have had the means to spread it around. They were a dwindling group of survivors being hunted by the government. The best case for the human race to survive is to just let it be. Eventually the infected will die off and the humans would probably still be left alive
Zebo8000 Exactly. This should have been Joel’s argument. Letting them kill Ellie wouldn’t have accomplished anything, because the worst threat in the apocalypse is other humans anyway. Instead he just gets scolded like a child. Fucking stupid.
ND isn't demonizing Joel. You cant make someone a demon by exposing the truth. Joel was selfish. He couldn't get over the death of his daughter and USED Ellie to replace her. He's emotionally inept and unable to get through his loss. Tragic as it is he's NOT the hero in my eyes. He'd rather live with clickers than save the world.
@@TowDow3 That's what I expected from the sequel, Joel realising that Ellie isn't Sarah and recognising she is her own person while getting over his own trauma, though no doubt he loves Ellie. The slowly building friction between them leading to a the truth should've being the story, not told in flashbacks, it's as if the game is two stories to make up for the fact they know it's what fans wanted.
@@TowDow3 Joel was a regular parent. You'll get it one day when you have kids.
Ashley fucking Johnson, man. This acting is next level.
7:02 lol people already made pirated versions
Thats because its not the main account
I just came here to replay the part when he hugs her .....
Her anger is justified, Joel took away her purpose and hope for the world. the clash between Joel and Ellie was inevitable and it makes sense. Then again if i was Joel i would do it all over again in a heartbeat.
lemme guess? u finished the game?
@@phoenixjamirazucena5672 3 times I felt super empty the first time then I played it again soon after I played the first one again. It all made sense.
some times when you tell the truth with out knowing it it will killed for it in the end
So Naughty Dog lied and Joel doesn't help Ellie out wow
It's not a lie since they never said that Joel and Ellie would travel together in another cross country adventure. They misled by swaping the models but didn't lie.
They bond of daughter and father that they've shown in last of us 1 was epic.it would've been amazing if they shown some scenes where ellie would've called Joel ''dad's...
Can you imagine a version of the game where this was set in the present day (as the trailers had led us to believe), and the game built up to Joel's death instead?
That would've been...so much better...
She was scary to be alone, now she is
You're honestly tell me throughout all this time, meaning the story's timeline, he didn't Ellie about his shootout with the Fireflies
But the fire flies deserved it the vaccine wouldn't save the whole world anyway
Perfect timing on the application suspending
the Joel I remember can smell ambush, very intelligent , can go against an army.. survive a 2 story fall and get impaled... they dumbed Joel down.. this is the worst...
Insane acting and facial capture. Incredible
Ellie's panic attack-like breakdown was uncomfortably realistic. It's hard watching a tough character completely collapse mentally.
All things aside this one scene got to me. Just seeing her literally break down was heartbreaking.
Man i cried in this part 😭 after all the time they spent it broke me watching them fight like that… man i wish they had more great happy times again.
what i hate about the writing is everyone points out that the cure was possible by extracting the fungus out of Ellies brain instead of keeping her alive to do some more research about how the body fights off the infection.......
"This game is so realistic".....
yeah sure........
Joel did what he thought was right bc the system and structure took his daughter and he was alone for the longest and became cold and distant till he met Ellie, at first it was just a job being a courier taking from one place and then to her first destination and that was supposed to be it , till they had to go traveling and over time it changed from a job to something more, he began to care for her as she became his daughter as he they became closer as he would do anything for her to protect her not as a courier job but as a father would his daughter, then when he finally got to the hospital the fireflies the ones that were supposed to bring hope then were telling him they would have to kill her, and again he was faced with a system and structure trying to kill someone he cared for and that he would not allow anyone to hurt his daughter, what father would let someone kill their daughter and he did only what anyone else would have done, they should have explored that more and how joel made amends for lying even though in hindsight a world took his daughter and then ellie became his world by being his daughter that's real love their.
Remember in the first game when she breaks down because she think Joel is gonna dump her on tommy and says your the only person who’s never left me. And then treats him like this because he refused to let her die. Typical with the last of us two. Terrible writing again. Just completely undone everything they did in the first game. Actually pisses me off that I waited 7 years for this wank wank game. And also wasted £60 on a pre order. Never trusting naughty dog again.
@JamesHLanier, that's a garbage ass argument, dude. She already knew he was lying at the end of the first game and chose to say, "Okay," instead of scolding him for it in that final scene of The Last of Us 1. Now, all of a sudden, she's obsessed with finding out the truth behind that lie when she was previously willing to accept his lie.
7:00 Joel: "Ellie the truth is this application will be suspended in 15 minutes because license cannot be verified"
Ellie 7:58.
So did the application get suspended
VGS - I like the pop up about the license verification :D :D
This scene is fine and makes a helluva lot more sense than anything else in the game. But even then it’s just completely unmitigated. The ending of the first game was so perfect. Joel shouldn’t have to explicitly tell Ellie what happened with the Fireflies. Her ‘okay’ at the end was just brilliant. She knew Joel was lying and chose to accept it and move on because of the love they shared. Not everything needs to be spelled out.
My theory is that she wanted closure about this issue, even if it hurt her. Ellie is a very truthful and honest person, so she hates being lied to, especially from those she cares about. Still, she was acting like a brat with Joel here and didn't see it from his point of view.
5:22
Wait, so Abby’s dad was the last surgeon in the world? There was literally no other living doctor they could have found to help make a vaccine??
The world is shit. A lot of capable died or not in contact.
I've just started hating Ellie!
The way she is behaving with Joel!
It was worse after the thing with Seth
she wanted to be the cure she wanted the surgery but joel took that choice away from her and she has every right to be upset especially because he lied to her for two years.
Can you blame her though? Ellie wanted to die for the cure and Joel knew it. Besides that, he lied to her for years. There's no way she wasn't going to be pissed with him.
@@bjakeijzer Would she really be willing to die for the cure though? The original game only shows a glimpse of that in hindsight at the very ending. Don't get me wrong, while I do agree that Joel made the right choice for several reasons, I don't think that lying to her for so long was right. He should have trusted her with the truth from the get-go
@@luisgalicia3860 Yes, she would've wanted to sacrifice herself. She makes this clear multiple times in both games.
Stop whining about the trailers, for god's sake. Marvel does it all the time. LOST did it back in the days. Stop whining about Abby, a character that's so well written despite getting not even half the screentime Ellie does. Stop whining about Joel's death: the fact you wrongly idealised him and can't cope with his demise and Ellie's reaction to it doesn't mean the plot is bad. Honestly, I'm so sick of all of you trying to bring down one of the greatest game ever produced in the history of the medium for such trivial reasons, when most of you all didn't even play it, and it shows.
This really sucks and ever since this moment Ellie has almost completely cut off Joel from her life. Not even the worst part considering how Joel’s last moments was seeing Ellie struggle. Joel died believing that the most precious thing in his world hated him.
Not really. The last scene of the game has her tell him she'd like to forgive him and they planned a movie night together. He knew she didn't hate him
So they're thinkin that they cannot find another doctor that can make a cure, but thinking somehow they can find another person thats immune to the infection.
Naughty dog take back your game and fix it and a time skip wasn't necessary just continue off were it end it the flashbacks shoulda been how the game should be not just jump to the future and mess up everything
11 words of glorious, righteous truth.
Joel shouldn't be blamed by his action.
Me to NaughtyDog... 6:29
literally the only good parts of this game were the joel flashbacks
So the sections where all you do is walk around are "literally" the BEST parts of the entire game? Dumbass.
If the fireflies asked for consent this probably could of been avoided lol
The acting in this game (and the game itself) is brilliant.
The last of us 1 was the ending for me, this game is not cannon because the last of us is a brutal survival game, not a LGBTQ fan fiction
I agree to that. I'll pour one out for our one homie THE LAST OF US......
when the main character's gay so you refuse to acknowledge that the sequel is still a survival action game
I mean it is canon no matter how bad it is. Saying otherwise would be just delusional. But more tragic that it is canon.
@@alexdeghost2729 I would rather be delusional then
Not_Ecchi good luck with that
Don’t touch me!!!!! How dare you! You...... man..... how dare you save my life!!!
this should have been the pivotal moment of the game. i don't care about a character who should have never existed walking in on the death of her 2 friends who also should have never existed.
I love the people defending Abby killing Joel as something justified against what it meant for humanity. There was no guarantee her father could make a vaccine or cure if Ellie died, how could there be? And even if the Fireflies did make either, is there any guarantee they would share it with all of humanity? They would do what any other group of humans would do in that situation; be selfish and save resources for their own. I didn't feel bad for killing that doctor in the first game and I don't feel bad for it now that I am done with the second. I don't sympathize with Abby, who is a murderous, selfish hypocrite with zero personality in a world full of murderous, surviving hypocrites. The game does it's damnedest to force you to, but it just fell flat for me.
Im glad someone else is finally stating that there wasn't a guarantee they could make the vaccine. Everyone is arguing as if it was guaranteed. That would be a different argument. I mean, Joel cares about Ellie like a daughter. Would he risk her on a small chance at it working?
@@fgcpressurecombos8470 That is what you call character development , the players are familiar with Joel and we relate to him. To have a character like that get killed in the most brutal way is horrendous and downright stupid. Honestly way worse than Game Of Thrones season 8.
I was about to cry but a food panda ad showed up
At the end of the first part, she pretended to believe him in a lie. And it was a great ending, putting an end to that situation.
Now again, for some reason, they have returned to this situation, Ally this time for some reason needed to find out the truth, and she already demanded the truth from Joel, and became angry with him for lying.
As a result, the wonderful outcome of the events of the first part was simply ruined.
Exactly what I thought.
No matter what people DESERVE to know the truth lmao
This is an outcome resulted after lying to someone, people cant get away with everything
@@chiledawg3824 And she didn't know everything. But she realized he was lying and she was ready to accept his lying.
@@Alexandre-tc2zl Thank you very much!
@@widya1583 Another one thought from me. I think it would be better that way. She accidentally (!) found out the truth. But this did not affect her relationship with Joel in any way.
If she accidentally found out everything, as it was, but would not have spoiled her relationship with Joel because of this, and would not even have told him about her find, it would have been much better for the game than how it was done in the end.
Don't worry joel, its just a phase
I’m still confused bruh how does Abby still recognize and want to kill Joel ? Has she been hunting him down the entire 5 years ???
It's Ma'am
Apparently there is only 1 joel in the whole world lmao
She didn't know how he look until he gave out HIS DAMN NAME IN THE ROOM FULL OF STRANGERS!!! and idk y she thought it was the right joel
Everyone in the comments are bitching about how naughty dog “lied” about this scene from trailers or complaining about how Ellie shouldn’t be mad at Joel for what he did. Seriously though? Are y’all stupid? Is no one going to talk about how well the acting was for this scene and how they did an amazing job showing the heartbreaking truth Ellie had to hear after years of Joel telling her something different?
I know it all seems real to me, I don't know why nobody likes it
@@michaelmartinez9042 Dude have u realized the plot is confusing and sucks
Tbh I thought the plot of TLOU2 would be about Ellie finding out about Joel's lies and about the consequences of it, but we got a trans on steroids who kills everyone but ends up alive. It's like if John Marston didn't kill Micah Bell at the end of RDR2.