10 Insane Doctor Who Plot Twists That Nearly Happened
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The abandoned twists and turns that almost changed Doctor Who forever.
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"maybe he was annoyed that he wasn't the one to snog David Tennant" I almost died laughing and also mood
let’s be honest it’s a feeling we’ve all felt
IM SCREAMING 😂😂😂
@@WhoCulture you are actually mocking him by saying he is secretly gay, which is a put down to actual gay men.
@@davidthedeaf No, it's not at all. It's a joke implying that everyone wants to kiss David Tennant.
@@toast99bubbles I didn’t know you wrote the joke…
chibnall nearly retconned pre-established lore? thank god he always had someone to stop him from doing that again...
Don't forget that in the brilliant Doctor Who episode Turn Left, Buckingham Palace was destroyed by the futuristic space Titanic, crashing on it the 10th Doctor had already been killed by that point having died underneath the River Thames attempting to save London and the Earth from the Racnoss. The Doctor was killed before he could regenerate.
Donna was not there to stop him going to far in her bubble alternate universe timeline because she had never met him.
Turn Left is the what might have been, but is one of the standout episodes of Doctor Who for any era.
It's always interesting hearing about things which nearly happened. Some of these genuinely would have been cool if they did happen! 💙
Its interesting to heard how 3 of these were due to Moffat keeping things in check and people actually listening to him, if only the same had happened when he was showrunner on a couple of his strange changes. And DEAR LORD i wish someone had been able to keep Chibnal in chek and prevent timeless child from happening.
RTD kills all the interesting characters.
Moffat refuses to kill anyone.
Those writers meetings must've been fun.
Mmm lets look at state of play at end of each showrunners time:
RTD - Rose, stranded in parallel universe till she isnt, then alive with her entire family and her own human version of the Doctor. Rose's dad effectively resurrected from the dead, remarried to Jackie and with a new child. Jackie alive and well, and a mother again. Capt Jack cant die, ever. Mickey, left in a parallel universe till he isnt, alive and well. Martha, alive and well working for UNIT. Donna, cant remember the Doctor but alive, happily married and presumably rich from winning the lottery.
Moffat- Amy and Rory, dead in the past. Clara, gets some extra time with Me, but ends up dead on Trap Street. River Song, dead. Bill, turned into a cyberman then a space ghost. Nardole, presumably dead, defending the humans from the inevitable cybermen attack.
I never understand the view RTD killed off characters and Moffat didnt, its the exact opposite. Moffat killed just about everyone, RTD no one. In RTD era everyone gets a sickly sweet happy ending, in Moffat era you're doing well to get a bitter-sweet one.
No, no. Moffat kills everyone. He just doesn’t KEEP them dead.
@@Jamestopboy Clara gets a swansong but she is still dead dead by end of it. Same with River, she gets to be a data ghost for a bit but she is still dead, her body fried up in the library. Amy and Rory might get to live out their lives till they die, but they still die. Only Bill gets an actual return to life afterwards, and shes never technically dead in the first place, just converted to a cyberman.
So if the question is which showrunner killed of the most main characters its clearly Moffat, none of RTD's die and every single one gets a super happy ending, well except the Doctor.
@@pettytyrant2720 The original comment was more looking at the interesting side characters, rather than the companions.
@@Jamestopboy Well that's alright then.
Another great video...I'm starting to suspect you are going back in time to make these the best videos ever!
Not really related, but I had the thought recently that Clara is now basically immortal and she and Me could spend centuries having adventures around the universe before she returned to Trap Street at the moment she left. She obviously did eventually because time wasn't fractured. If nothing else, it would give her a chance to see her family one last time and maybe explain what was happening to her so they didn't spend the rest of their lives wondering what happened to her.
Oh, and isn't Liz Shaw technically the prototype to X Files Scully?
That's literally the point you twat 😂😂😂
@@bobbybobstar1496Is that you, Bosh Rogan Josh?
Great video Who Culture! Really interesting and I honestly didn't know some of those things! 😊😊
She had already been The Bad Wolf and her likeness was The Moment, so yeah her being possessed would have been a bit too much.
With AWESOMENESS that is RTD, what I think would be cool, is having an Alternate Universe Sarah Jane somehow come to Our Universe (maybe having Angela Cartwright from Lost in Space fame; or April Walker, who was chosen before the Lovely Elizabeth Sladen), granted she doesn't die, but we could kick-off another Sarah Jane Adventures while exploring how this version navigates Our universe while noting the difference.
Not a twist as such but the sad death of the talented Howard Attfield led to bringing Bernard Cribbins back from being a cameo to one of the most beloved characters in NewWho. I can't imagine the subsequent episodes without Wilf.
I have to disagree with RTD on the last one. I think Rose having been the beast would’ve added some interesting stakes and when it comes to dream sequences I think it’s down to how they’re executed and approached. Look at Amy’s choice as an example of it done well.
I would disagree with a dream sequence but Doctor Who can have wibbly-wobbly alternate time lines or whatever else they need to have something that's not a dream.
I love that we don't get any context for most of the classic who scenes, 4:30 just got me spitting out my drink
That scene is widely remembered with fondness by a lot of people and regarded as a defining moment in their formative years.
The dirty sods.
Very nice! Thanks, Ellie! Have a great day!
I wish some plot twists would really happen just to see how it feels
i am sooo glad Rose was not the one possessed in "The Impossible Planet" from the moment I saw that possesion was on the table I suspected she would be possessed, it is such an obvious "twist" for additional manufactured drama. I decided if it happened I would immediately turn if off and stopped watching (it was one of the first episodes of doctor who i ever saw)
That is what I did with Preacher
When he is testing his powers near the beginning and he says "tell me a secret" and guy replies "A secret" I saw what was coming but decided that if the guy was smart enough to test his powers he would be smart enough to know what that meant (orders he gives are very literal)
I decided if it went the obvious route I expected I would turn it off and never watch it again.
at the end of the episode he tells someone to "Show her your heart"...that was it for me... so dumb
That's a good list.
Still no explanation for Peter Cushing's Doctor's existence while the First Doctor (Hartnell) was still on the air. I still call him Doctor 1.5, like the War Doctor (John Hurt) was Doctor 8.5....
EDIT after re-watching the movies, I no longer make any claims about them being part of the Whoverse (no matter what they claim to be "based on"). The disqualifying differences are huge.
"You may be a doctor. But I’m THE Doctor. The definite article you might say."
The 4th Doctor (Tom Baker) to "Harry Sullivan"
Some years ago Dr Who magazine published a convincing argument on how to accept the movies as canon. It was very cleverly thought out and I thought "I'll have to remember that".
I didn't.
8:45 Charles isn't the King of England. The last King of England was Queen Anne. Charles is the King of the United Kingdom.
Technically, he is King of England. But he shouldn't be referred to as if that is his title. He's also King of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the overseas territories and dependencies.
That's as of when I typed this. The way things are going in the UK, he could end up as the King of The Home Counties, Scots over the age of 65 and the Isle of Sheppy.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 He's not. He's the King of the United Kingdom. The last person in the role of King of England would have been Queen Anne in 1707 when the Kingdom of England ended and the Kingdom of Great Britain began.
@toast99bubbles I said it wasn't his title, but he is still the monarch reigning over England. Just as he's the monarch reigning over the other places. If someone said "Who is the English people's king" we wouldn't say "We don't have one when we're being English, but we do when we are being subjects of the UK."
And by the way, I know Anne had a lot of personal problems, but she wasn't a king, she was a queen.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 Are you stupid or something? Queen Anne was sat in the role of King of England. Just like Queen Elizabeth the second was in the role of King of the United Kingdom. The title they went by was Queen because they were women, but the role they were in was King because that's the specific name of the role, whilst the role of Queen is for the wife of the King (hence why Prince Phillip just had the title of Prince, calling him King Phillip would have implied he was in the role of King, when he wasn't).
i should look this up, but didnt Turn Left, have the Titantic hitting London, if not Buckingham Palace?
Yes, it did. A clip of that is even in this video. But it's just a reused footage from the Voyage of the Damned used as the broadcast in the episode and it then cuts to static, implying an impact.
Well remembered! So technically it did happen but also it didn't.... Very Doctor Who 😂😊
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars that does track, even if it has to be tracked via two different timelines
@@ianlister7333 true 😊
I think the could have been in voyage of the dammed was more the doctor didn't pull up quite fast enough, and smashes through the palace, instead of flying over it, whereas in Turn Left the Titanic, presumably, slammed straight into London and blew up.
Is it just me not seeing it, or did they just not explain why Elizabeth the 1st hated the Doc so much in the "Shakespeare Code" when in the "Day of the Doctor" he married her and she sent thru the years the "painting" for him? Did I miss the explanation on that?
He abandoned her. Yes, she was all sweetness in her note with the painting but the Liz I in the Shakespeare Code was fed up and angry.
It had been 37 years since they were married and he probably was gone for most of that.
@charleslord2433 that makes total sense and more obvious than my brain wanted to admit lol, thanks!
Nice!
3:44 That’s my real name 😳
Hello Steven.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 They got my last name right, too.
@Pub2k4 Hello Mr Carter.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 Word…
My Hubby's Theory and head cannon...... Matt Tenant Dr regeneration take two , will come to believe he needs to stop himself.... Eventually regenerating into the child who became " The Master".....
And.... If you take it further..... "The Master" realizes how futile his mission to stop " The Dr" is and decides to -Just Have Fun- ... Eventually regenerating into "The Toymaker"
Making them All "The Timeless Child"
The cover photo got my attention. Nice
First comment also btw
It's Called A Thumbnail
That last one is literally exactly what happened to Clara in series 9's zygon storyline
I mean i might be an Aberdeen local but I don’t think we’re a worse fate than death. Is that genuinely what the rest of you think of us???
I always felt the whole Silurian thing was actually the intention to retcon that
5:19 - I'm curious what you think of Harbo Wholmes's video that claims that Boe ISN'T Captain Jack? I dont know how it could be anyone OTHER than Jack it terms of probability. He seems to be attacking RTD just because he doesn't agree with him.
Didn't RTD say that he didn't want to reveal whether or not Jack was *actually* Boe because the idea would stop being funny if we ever knew for sure?
I didn't know Chibnall wrote Hungry Earth.
So he can write a decent episode!
Also Dinosaurs on a Spaceship!
Yeah, but part two was a complete bore fest.
I think if Sarah Jane had been killed off, I would not be the fan I am today.
Considering the Doctor's aforementioned relationships with the Prime Ministers, one wonders what changed with Churchill.
And that's all. No jokes this time. Just thanks for the vid.
There is an issue. Jack is a mortal and the fdied in one of the episodes. So how can jack be the face of buff
I never thought Captain Jack was the Face of Boe.
Always looked at it as if the Face of Boe was actually an Alien race that somehow became Petrified and became those large stone Olmec
heads. I know it has Plot holes Big enough to put several TARDIS interiors through, but nonetheless. That would have been cool.
During the 11th Doctor’s run, it’s said the heads on Easter Island were carved after the 11th’s (Matt Smith’s) head. 😅
@@SamanthaS92How unflattering for Matt!
I can't unsee the lijen3ss now, though.
So, Chibby back when he was just a writer on the show already had an idea for a retcon in mind that was vetoed? Is that why he soon became showrunner and invented the Timeless Child, so he could do whatever he wanted without anyone stopping his ideas?
technically #2 did happen, in turn left
The devil episode was fuckin dope
Moffat overruling an idiot. Thank The Doctor.
You are right when you say writers and their egos I think you mean showrunners and their egos but it's the same diff isn't it.
I'd have no problem with the stiff "Warriors of the Deep" Silurians being retconned as masks, as long as the REAL Silurian's existed.
I wouldn't mind "Warriors of the Deep" being retconned as having been a dream.
The End
OMGosh... the Infinity Gauntlet..... ummm just wondering if that is the very same gauntlet used in the first few episodes of Tourchwood????? Please tell me I am right...
I am off to watch a few episodes of both!
its not, and the other gauntlet from torchwood does show up towards the end of season 2
I've always theorized it was a similar gauntlet, but not the exact same one. Therefore, the pair that were on Earth during "Torchwood" are still their own form of Time Lord tech with their own properties that just happened to slip through the cracks during the Time War.
Here's a little twist for the 60th anniversary. Donna is actually the Devil Incarnate.
Perhaps someone can set me straight. I seem to remember (for whatever reason) the Face of Boe appearing in classic Who, specifically during the tenure of #4. It's just one of those nagging things that I cannot shake despite not finding any references to TFOB prior to #10. Help! Cheers....
I have no memory of any character remotely similar in Classic Who. I'm replying as I'm curious to know now too!
You definitely didn’t see him in Tom Baker’s era as the character wasn’t created then. You will have seen him before David’s era, though, as his first appearance was in _The End of the World_ (2005) with Christopher Eccleston.
@@DrWhoFanJ Thanks. As I said, it's just something that nags me. Couldn't even explain why I thought he appeared earlier in Classic Who. Cheers....
You may be thinking thinking of the Fifth Doctor story “The Awakening” where an alien probe/creature called the Malus breaks through a wall and. Similar look but not Boe.
@@mikeklein5184 just found a clip of the Malus to prompt my own memory, might be what the OP remembers. I did wonder what other character it could have been 😊
You state that "The Face of Boe" is "Captain Jack". You may believe it to be true. However, it must be pointed out that this has never been confirmed in-story and therefore is not deemed Doctor Who canon to this point. Many people associated with Doctor Who including several of the actors and RTD himself are on the record as saying TFoB is probably CJH. But it has never been confirmed in the program itself. Cheers from the Land Down Under.
It has, however, been confirmed that the two are the same thing. Watch CJH’s last scene in _Last of the Time Lords_ again. You’ll soon see the proof.
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@@danthemeegs8751 Thumbnail isn't Rose though.
I thought the new Silurians looked better with the masks on. Without them, they just looked like actors in prosthetics. Human eyes and teeth in a reptile face just looks half-@rsed, no matter how well applied the scales are.
Also female reptiles don't have mammaries. That's a mammals only thing. know the production team would have felt the need to show diversity, but who's to say the original Silurians weren't female? No need for body hugging costumes. Or did they want sexy geckos?
Ugh. I hate being reminded that The Power of Three exists. But a horrid episode.
Here's a great plot twist - Jodie Whittaker's era as well as every Doctor after her gets wiped from history and my Thirteenth, Fourteenth, Fifteenth and Sixteenth Doctors take her place!
Nope. That would be stupid and idiotic, just like the repetitive imbecile who keeps mentioning it.
Just stop spewing this nonsense now; no intelligent human will ever agree with you, nor will they even believe a word that flops from your mouth for the briefest fraction of a millisecond!
River songs reveal wasn't a plot twist, it was so obvious in the opening two parter who she was, all the clues were there, and of course the biggest clue 'River' 'pond', 'Melody' 'song'.....so stupid, and let's be honest what did her reveal as Amy and Rory's daughter really do for the show? Nothing, useless reveal
Perhaps some of the 35,000,000 worldwide Doctor Who fans don't have the same keen insight as you. I'm sure you also called it when Jack Harkness revealed he was the Face of Boe. I certainly didn't see that one coming. Did you? Cheers....
It's funny how hindsight makes us confident in our memories... 😉
There were a LOT of hints connecting her to Jack, starting with the squareness gun and flirty attitude. Given the nanogenes introduced in his same introductory episode, they could have been the same person at different points in their timelines.
Disney Who is what they should call it now it's trashed.
Disney only finance it
It hasn’t been trashed, and Disney+ is merely the broadcaster for it outside the British Isles.
Literally everything in your statement is objectively untrue nonsense.
Dude, chill. They haven't even released a single new episode yet.
Also, there are a *lot* of contenders for when the show did or didn't go to shit, depending on who you ask.
1:37 I’m sorry but 65 isn’t a ‘far too young age’. I’ve had grandparents pass in their 70’s and my mother pass at an actual young age of 47… It is most certainly terrible how Sladen passed, and she was more than deserving of being around longer than she was. Moreover, it doesn’t change the fact she wasn’t young. Please, take some consideration when writing these video scrips
What if “ episodes would be good!!! RTD 💥💀Moffat live to 💀👻🗿Chibb ??? Aw Aw Aw too soon …lol Ellie ,with another awesome Dr Who video. 🗝️🟦📦🔊🔜