Dan Slott had the single best idea for Doctor Who I ever heard. "The Doctor stops the Master from his latest doomsday scheme... but both are caught in the resulting blast. 2 regenerated beings emerge, their clothes burnt beyond recognition. Both claim (or believe) they're the Doctor. We don't let the viewers know till the end of the season."
this reminds me of my own idea i made up for a doctor regeneration scene where the doc and mas regenerate at the same place at the same time, but the master finishes just before the doctor, so the mas starts purposefully claiming to be the doctor and pitting their companions against the real doctor. over the course of the season* we follow the real doctor trying have their companions realise theyre the real doctor and that the master is tricking them *not really a season bc its my idea in my head for my idea on "what if my own ocs were the main cast of doctor who"
You missed a big one. Peter Jackson. Director of Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and King Kong almost directed one or two episodes of Doctor Who. Between making the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit trilogies. Peter Jackson himself pitched the idea of not only him directing one or two episodes. But he would do it at his studios in New Zealand. He was even prepared to do it for no pay. All he wanted was a full size original Dalek. Jackson has admitted he is a huge Doctor Who fan and it would be a dream come true for him to direct an episode. The BBC rejected the idea.
I've found myself quoting Matt Smith a lot lately ("I'll do a thing... respect the thing", "I can buy a fez", etc) and it made me think a Top Ten Quotes of each Doctor mini-series could be fun!
Oh yes! Although one of my favourite Eleven quotes is from A Town Called Mercy "Tea, Make it the strong stuff, leave the bag in"! as it's something I often do 😂 I seriously doubt this would make the top ten quotes for Eleven when there's so many other awesome things! 😊
You forgot to mention that the Sibling Rivalry plot was nodded to when 10 was telling Martha and Jack about the Master. Martha said, "I thought you were going to say he was like, your secret brother or something." After which 10 paused dramatically and then brushed it off saying "You watch too much TV." lol
Agreed. We have had movies with horror that had sequels worse and worse. But the best series of TV shows are about adventure, families who love each other, mysteries, humor, romance, and aliens with characters who are heroes of humanity or just good moral role models always present.
I will say, after seeing a few early episodes of the First Doctor, I can see where they were coming from with the idea of an evil Doctor. Hartnell's Doctor, in the early episodes, was not always exactly heroic, he did pretty much kidnap Ian and Barbara, and - particularly in the Dalek serial - he was very manipulative of his friends when trying to get his own way. He was never a villain, but he did have more morally dubious traits.
Well technically we already have an evil doctor, in the classic series there's a character called 'The Valeyard' who is an amalgamation of all the doctor's darker sides that was given life sometime in the future.
I just saw Freema Agyeman today at a fan convention, at the panel the first thing asked was about any possible return, She responded that she was out of the Whoniverse for now - but did admit she might come back when she was 60 and her other work dried up. So the 75th Anniversary special might feature her. Also said: If she could be cast with any other Doctor than David Tennant then it would be Sylvester McCoy (and she also included Paul McGann as her alternate alternative.) And her big regret was not working with Elisabeth Sladen on the Sarah Jane Adventures as Sladen was so nice to work with.
I would love to see Tennant and Smith act together again. Doesn’t even have to be Doctor Who, just want to see them act together in something good & fun They worked well together
Having the tenth doctor regenerate into the master by having his ring would have been so cool. Could you trust him? How much was he master and how much doctor?
3:50 Strangely enough, in its second season, "Star Trek:Enterprise" had an episode where they encountered a small craft with no external engines, which was much bigger on the inside and had a control room with roundels in the walls.
The Master wasn't intended to be the Doctor's brother. He was meant to be a part of the Doctor, his ego. The side of him that almost dropped rocks on caveman's heads. The idea was later reworked as the Valeyard. The Master would save the Doctor and become reintegrated into him as he regenerated.
4:42 the 2nd Doctor did get a chance to play both himself and an evil dictator in “Master of the World”. So the concept was tweaked slightly and made for an excellent story. 🌚🌝
I can't believe you didn't have the idea of Ace attending the Prydonian Academy on Gallifrey, which I heard they were going to do in the "next" season, but of course that never came to be.
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars when I began watching in the 1970s as a kid it was cool. Then I saw Ace, who was rude and always annoying, the very poor stories and bad guys (which I had no idea was cost cutting of BBC) and how clown like that doctor was, not in a good way, and quit watching until the new 21st century version came on. They won me back.
@@davidthedeaf well I certainly disagree with you! To me Tom Baker clowned about a lot, I don't remember Pertwee probably wasn't allowed to watch. I never found Ace rude, I found her fantastic, knew her own mind and wasn't afraid to be herself and brave. Before her most of the Companions were or came across as screamers unable to cope or moaners (Tegan, she Never stopped moaning!)because of how the characters were written. Modern Who has some great Companions and Doctors 😊
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars yeah female characters in the older ones were there as the screaming damsel in distress. I am not familiar with the orders stuff as much and didnt watch Ace I dont think but it sounds like she was a stronger female companion and that was sorely needed. It doesnt seem like until the modern era woman were allowed to speak their minds without being seen as having an attitude problem.
9:41 Doing so was unintentionally foreshadowed in 2006's "School Reunion," in which when Sarah Jane says, "You've regenerated," the Doctor replies, "Yeah. Half a dozen times since we last met." One could assume that he's referring to the Fourth Doctor dropping her off at the end of "The Hand of Fear," but Sarah Jane actually met the Fifth Doctor in the 20th Anniversary special "The Five Doctors." 5+6=11, not 10. However, in "School Reunion," the "current" Doctor was the Tenth, not the Eleventh, therefore, there must be an unnumbered incarnation between the 1996 TV movie and Rose, and hence the War Doctor.
I always assumed the Angel book was written by the Doctor, any time the word Madman turns up in Moffats era its usually referring to the Doctor! Like River says in the Pandorica "I hate wizards in fairytales they always turn out to be him" which would also explain why the Doctor didn't bother to fully read the book, either he'd already written it or realised he was going to so didn't read it to stop a paradox!
The story about "The Final Game" being the original idea for the Third Doctor regeneration story is just that...a story. Delgado asked to be written out as he was losing out on roles so Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts decided to have him sacrifice his life to save the Doctor, it never got past the initial stages as Delgado was sadly killed in a car crash. Pertwee wouldn't decide to leave a show until filming Death to the Daleks a year later.
This is my head canon: If there ever is an item of unknown origins (I.e. the Weeping Angels book) it makes the plot run a lot sooner if you just imagine the said item is question was created by the Doctor, just not yet.
I actually wouldn't have wanted the 9th Doctor to replace John Hurt's Doctor entirely in the 50th. I would have liked something more along with the lines of the same story we got with Tennant/Smith/Hurt, but ALSO throwing Eccleston in there for a 4 Doctor special.
At first I thought the hand was gonna be a way to bring back the Master. It was in the TARDIS when the Master stole it and I think the camera even zoomed in on it at the end of that series, so I took it as a hint that the Master swapped it with his own.
The evil Doctor was revisited during the Trial of a Timelord season where it was revealed that the Valeyard was an amalgamation of the Doctor at the end of his 12 and final incarnation of him where the high council created him in order to hide his involvement in finding the true intentions of how earth was thrown off its natural course and renamed Ravelox. It is pushing a bit, but with Tom Baker's idea of a talking cabbage sitting on his shoulder could have been redesigned when Matt Smith had the Cyberman head plugged into the Tardis and was taking it around with him in the one adventure.
I still think that Paul McGann's 8th Doctor should have been made the War Doctor, instead of coming up with an entirely new incarnation with John Hurt.
He's too nice. Even after everything he's been through, Eight hasn't been broken down to the point of embracing fighting a war. That's why he had to regenerate into a Warrior. In his short, Eight was finally able to see that he *had* to do something about the War, but he couldn't have *done* it himself. And he wouldn't be the Eighth Doctor if he could!
john hurt was too nice to be believable as a warrior, seemed more like a kindly friendly grandpa. Paul Mcgann couldve easily played an weary, war-torn / battle-ready dr8
Weeping Angels are PERFECT example to how extremely cool ideas can be born in Moffat's Mind and how helpless is he in their development and logical conclusion. "Don't Blink" is a masterpiece, while late all the potential Moffat created is thrown into a litter bin of space-time crack with a very weak plot. Oh gods, how I am happy to see RTD is back in control. His "Bad Wolf" twist was WONDERUL!
I would love to see a spin off with martha jones, she is one of my favourite companions! ❤️😊 I also think it would have been really interesting to see a series with amy pond and the tenth doctor, I often wonder how their dynamics would have been different. We'd already had the romance story between the tenth doctor and rose, unrequited love with him and martha, and the best mates relationship with him and donna. So it might have been nice to see the tenth doctor fall for amy but have amy completely oblivious and in love with Rory. Could have been a nice ending for the tenth doctor's character arc. 😊😊
Expanding on the Weeping Angels' book would have been anazing. Missed opportunity. As far as I am concerned, Martha was special because for once, the companion was not the most important being in all of creation. She was special because she was Martha. She was enough. I was fine with it. Underrated, for certain. Temporary. When silly is the subject, the Absorbaloff will never not be mentioned. And to the point, I agree that only Tom Baker could have made a talking cabbage believable, if not iconic. And now someone (I assure you it will not be me... no, seriously) is going to request a Cameo that requires saying the word "temporary" seventeen times. And I need to stop giving people ideas.
I remember that cliffhanger before the S4 finale. I was only seven at the time and I remember spending all that week wondering who the next Doctor would be, I didn't think for a minute that it would be Tennant again, and neither did anyone else, as I recall. I didn't know who to expect, and my speculation varied wildly from one of the old Doctor returned (I had a lot of Classic Who episodes on VHS as a kid), which is no longer as crazy as it sounded at the time, to someone from my other favourite show at the time 'Young Dracula', probably Keith-Lee Castle who had played the Count. Odd as the jump from Count Dracula to Doctor Who would have been, it could have worked, Castle is a decent, but heavily underrated, actor, and Young Dracula was wrapping up at around the same time as this so he would have been free.
It would make the Doctor look like a creep and kind of contradict what makes his story so good. Through meeting Rose, he became a better person. If it was revealed he had been shaping her into doing that, it would just destroy that story
@@ThetaSigma-vu1sk no it would be understandable because before nuwho he was almost traumatized because of the Time war so he wanted to create "the perfect companion"
We almost had a Romana spinoff in e-space, but this was too costly. One odd ball suggestion with that was E-space could contain the Star Wars galaxy. Ace nearly got a trike modded like Bessy but it was deemed goofy, the prop was later used by Lister in ‘Red Dwarf’. The Rani and Doctor having originally been lovers and The Rani being Susan’s grandmother was nixed to make room for The Master in ‘Mark of the Rani’
I did read on TV tropes at one point that never mind 9, at one point in the making of the 50th special, Moffatt didn't have *any* Doctors signed up, even Matt Smith's contract expired with Name of the Doctor, and while desperately negotiation contracts for Matt, David Tennant and John Hurt he was working on a backup story that... I don't remember entirely but I recall reading that it was something like Clara (the only actor still on contract at the time) having to remember the Doctor and something to do with movies starring fictional Doctors played by famous actors, presumably something to do with how they got out of the Doctor's timeline after Name of the Doctor. Wouldn't necessarily say it's brilliant, Day of the Doctor is definitely better, and given how polarizing Clara was with fans the idea that she was the star of the 50th... may not have gone down well with her detractors, but it's certainly an interesting could have been. Another interesting thing is that Twice Upon a Time almost didn't happen, Moffatt intended to wrap up his run with The Doctor Falls, ending with the regeneration into Jodie, if we assume that the plot was still meant to lead into The Woman who Fell to Earth in the same way then it would've added a double meaning to the Title, but then he learnt that Chibnall didn't plan to make a Christmas episode, and failing to deliver on that would cost Who the Christmas slot in the future, so he threw together a romp with David Bradley's take on the 1st doctor, his CD of Murray Gold's greatest hits, and Peter Capaldi's expertise on the Christmas Armistice... then Chibnall ditched Christmas in favour of New years anyway.
Thank goodness that 50th version didn't happen. I love Big Finish but their Unbound series where the Doctor is played by other people really doesn't appeal to me so I can't begin to imagine a TV version. At least The Next Doctor made sense in how it came about. I hadn't heard of your 50th potential version before 😊
I think they make a small little callback to the Master being the Doctor's brother in Smith and Jones when Martha was examining the Doctor and she asks if he has a brother and the Doctor replies "No, not anymore"
Here is a neat "Easter egg" I think about the whole "master as brother" idea - in "sound of the drums" when the doctor is explaining who the master was, Martha said "I thought he was going to be your secret brother or something", the doctor then remarks "You've been watching way too much TV"
For me, the missed opportunity was Mark Benton's character who was researching the Doctor - it would have been a lot of fun to have an episode that featured more of his research (a Doctor-lite episode perhaps?) as he gets frustrated by officials and UNIT.
I love the idea of the Tennant/Moffat story. I really wish we had gotten it at least for series 5. Then Matt Smith taking over for Series 6 onwards. We would have probably gotten most of the same stories just a year later. Then Capaldi's one year break would probably have had series 10 so by now we would probably still be on the same track with RTD, Tennant and Gatwa. I also kind of like the idea of Capaldi being in The Day of the Doctor. Like imagine he got announced and then appeared in the 50th before his series had even started.
We are getting Eccleston in a multi-Doctor story this year at least. He revealed that he had worked with David Warner, both playing their own incarnations, just days before David Warner died.
I feel that McGann should've come back for Day of the Doctor instead of creating a new Doctor incarnation. Just to give him a proper Who story outside of Big Finish.
The _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ episode "A Matter of Time" plays a lot like Doctor Who meets Star Trek until the final scene. I wouldn't be surprised if it was written as a sort of spec script for an official crossover but then changed.
I really think that getting a line of I¡m ready to go would have been awesome it is cool he is living a life but you know I really wanted that other ending
Funny story: I always thought about my own version of The Doctor. I don't know, if this version would be accepted from the audience, since my stories are more fantasy than science-fiction and mostly play on earth. But, much like Tom Baker, i also had the idea of a vegtable as companion. My idea is build along the lines of Mimir from God of War. Like him, the living pumpkin called "Cucurbita" who served the roman god of war, would join The Doctor to aid him in one of his dark times and furthermore help companions to understand The Doctor.
At one point Tom Baker's doctor was going to be revealed to actually be the 13th incarnation, which is where the morbius doctors came from. And if the show wasn't cancelled in the 80s you would have had a storyline similar to the timeless child, with the doctor being the reincarnation of the past timelord and 3rd founding member of timelord society the other. I've always like this one (which is why I'm not so disliking of the timeless child, it could definitely have been executed better though).
I would put money on Tom Baker's talking cabbage idea being just a dig at Lousie Jameson who he had issues with. "Why not give me a talking cabbage next time?".
So Eccleston actually heard Moffat out and read the script? I didn't know that. The assumption is then that we'll never see him on screen again as we would only ever be in a multi-Doctor special.
How about the change of the lead actor coming about thanks to the Celestial Toymaker? Apparently there was serious talk about replacing William Hartnell at the end of "The Celestial Toymaker", and the change being explained as a trick of the Toymaker's.
Great video. That Angel book could work, if it was first angel (that arrived with ship) did it. He was in normal state, it would make sense, if he eat normally. It could take place of stupid moving angels. Idea of Toflacains (did I wrote it right?) appearing trough series as mysterious villain is definitely interesting. It would be mystery, who they are and why they do this. There could be even scene, where they save doctor/Marta, because he needs to release their Master! Their existence could be explained as side effects of Master experimenting and rebuilding TARDIS before paradox machine was working or side effects of destruction of paradox machine. They probably couldn't take place of Daleks, but having additional mystery like them would make whole finale much greater! M. J. spinoff or her bigger role in universe would be definitely plus, even if she isn't my favorite. That is Donna. But she is good and I would want to see more.
While I absolutely LOVE both Star Trek and Doctor Who, I have absolutely NO interest in them crossing over. They’re two VERY different universes and stories and it would make NO sense for them to come together.
Having Eccleston in the 50th would have been epic! But kudos to Moffat for side stepping that issue so brilliantly and having the Doctors dark secret, John Hurt instead. However upon learning this news, I would equally have been happy to see McGann in the John Hurt role before transforming into Eccleston at the end. What if eh…
I'm more curious about one of the ideas that did collapse. I wish I knew what they were planning with the whole TARDIS top lightbulb thing during Matt's run.
I'm still rooting for one season of Doctor Who to have the whole hullaballoo that so-and-so is the 85th Doctor or whatever, only for them to die halfway through the second episode of the season and regenerate into someone who hadn't been alluded to at all in any press packages and the big-name actor who'd been announced was really only in those two episodes.
Why is there not a dr who episode where the current doctor does not just cross universes to one where the doctor has not regenerated that way you could have any living doctor in it.
Evil Doctor should have been in the Power of The Doctor - instead of Sacha Dhawan wearing the Doctor's clothes, Jodie Whittaker instead gets the Master's lines
With the Christopher Ecclestone scenario and not wanting to cast in a multiple doctor who special, wouldn't it be cool to have just a normal series but where the Doctor of the present and the 9th doctor not been in the same world, but have to work together through just a screen the get back their own timelines
The Cabbage companion would only work on a single story, otherwise it would have felt too awkward. But someone who would have rocked that Cabbage idea is definitely Sylvester McCoy, because you need a lot of humor for this.
I am working on a fanfic staring with Amy Pond and 11 traveling together right after losing Rory the first time. They get the idea to scan for other tardis's but accidentally scan for other of the exact same tardis. This leads them to meeting 10 and 13. The 3 of them get along great while trying to piece together how they ended up crossing paths. 11 is the ring leader and the most serious. 10 thinks it is none of his concern because whatever input he has the others must already know. Only when 13 offhandedly comments she used to be a "white haired scotsman" does the pieces come together. All this time there was a missing incarnation that held the key to why they ended up together. The hunt for 12 begins and that's as far as i've gotten.
Really good stuff, just what I have always said, Who is only great because of it's creative regen ideas. Sprinkled thru, giving Whovian fans so much yumminess, as the Seasons progressed. We felt loss, as the Characters gave us & Poor Matt I adored how screwed up he was, how flawed, added to Capaldi's really confused, & tired more serious, To loyal Doctor Whovian's Young Gens & older, we always appreciated story, & the Characters to have besides fun, & very silly, substance, 4 all our hearts the next Doctor is a true Whovian, & his Companion Married to the 10th Doctor, Who's favorite 5th Doctor is his father In-law Peter Davidson. 💔💔 So keep it in the Whovian Fam. Because yeah Russell is back in the Seat of power, & hopefully he has given serious thoughts to his Who Villain Jynx🤡💯 is there a Reason why she looks like I love Lucy in Spaghetti lounge act, & fired from said Lounge act, why is she out for the Doctor? Because I think talking Cabage seems more a hit then us not having a amazing miss y. Thank you WhoC.¿ 💖🌐💖✨🙌🏻✨
If the doctor regenerated into Ian McKellen and then back into David Tennant I think I would of been disappointed we only got to see him for a couple minutes. Don’t tease us like that.
If Susan Foreman is the Doctor's granddaughter, who is her father. Answer, the Doctor's Son, of course. William Hartnell is said to have written a story involving a battle between the Doctor and his evil son, Hartnell to play both roles. The episode was never made.
Thanks for the Martha love. I was disappointed in starting her off with a crush on the Doctor, which I felt was a weak choice after the whole Rose story. She deserved better, is right.
Bring back the cabbage… Bring back the cabbage! BRING BACK THE CABBAGE!
Carrot juice, carrot juice, carrot jui
They did. It became celery, and was always close to the doctor’s heart.
@@davidthedeaf but it wasn't SENTIENT!! 😂
Капуста вещь хорошая!
The cabbage of vegetative increase.
Dan Slott had the single best idea for Doctor Who I ever heard.
"The Doctor stops the Master from his latest doomsday scheme... but both are caught in the resulting blast.
2 regenerated beings emerge, their clothes burnt beyond recognition.
Both claim (or believe) they're the Doctor.
We don't let the viewers know till the end of the season."
Yeah this is fantastic - could even work as a standalone episode
this reminds me of my own idea i made up for a doctor regeneration scene where the doc and mas regenerate at the same place at the same time, but the master finishes just before the doctor, so the mas starts purposefully claiming to be the doctor and pitting their companions against the real doctor. over the course of the season* we follow the real doctor trying have their companions realise theyre the real doctor and that the master is tricking them
*not really a season bc its my idea in my head for my idea on "what if my own ocs were the main cast of doctor who"
That would be an amazing episode
You missed a big one. Peter Jackson. Director of Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and King Kong almost directed one or two episodes of Doctor Who. Between making the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit trilogies. Peter Jackson himself pitched the idea of not only him directing one or two episodes. But he would do it at his studios in New Zealand. He was even prepared to do it for no pay. All he wanted was a full size original Dalek. Jackson has admitted he is a huge Doctor Who fan and it would be a dream come true for him to direct an episode. The BBC rejected the idea.
Have you been reading some of our upcoming scripts?
Damn! That would’ve been awesome
The BBC just don’t know what they missed out on
A Doctor who episode filmed in New Zealand would be amazing.
@@rachelcookie321 should’ve been the place where they filmed the snowy landscape in Planet of the Ood
I've found myself quoting Matt Smith a lot lately ("I'll do a thing... respect the thing", "I can buy a fez", etc) and it made me think a Top Ten Quotes of each Doctor mini-series could be fun!
Oh yes! Although one of my favourite Eleven quotes is from A Town Called Mercy "Tea, Make it the strong stuff, leave the bag in"! as it's something I often do 😂 I seriously doubt this would make the top ten quotes for Eleven when there's so many other awesome things! 😊
I love this idea, there are lot of good quotes from DW
You forgot to mention that the Sibling Rivalry plot was nodded to when 10 was telling Martha and Jack about the Master. Martha said, "I thought you were going to say he was like, your secret brother or something." After which 10 paused dramatically and then brushed it off saying "You watch too much TV." lol
The doctor has a brother called Irving Brax anyway, so yeah that would’ve been redundant to reveal the master is also his family
I don't think an evil doctor who would have lasted as long. Having a good doctor and then the master is about all the evil we need.
Agreed. We have had movies with horror that had sequels worse and worse. But the best series of TV shows are about adventure, families who love each other, mysteries, humor, romance, and aliens with characters who are heroes of humanity or just good moral role models always present.
I will say, after seeing a few early episodes of the First Doctor, I can see where they were coming from with the idea of an evil Doctor. Hartnell's Doctor, in the early episodes, was not always exactly heroic, he did pretty much kidnap Ian and Barbara, and - particularly in the Dalek serial - he was very manipulative of his friends when trying to get his own way. He was never a villain, but he did have more morally dubious traits.
Well technically we already have an evil doctor, in the classic series there's a character called 'The Valeyard' who is an amalgamation of all the doctor's darker sides that was given life sometime in the future.
We got him for one episode
@@samuellawrencesbookclub8250I mean, he had a whole character ark
I just saw Freema Agyeman today at a fan convention, at the panel the first thing asked was about any possible return, She responded that she was out of the Whoniverse for now - but did admit she might come back when she was 60 and her other work dried up. So the 75th Anniversary special might feature her.
Also said:
If she could be cast with any other Doctor than David Tennant then it would be Sylvester McCoy (and she also included Paul McGann as her alternate alternative.)
And her big regret was not working with Elisabeth Sladen on the Sarah Jane Adventures as Sladen was so nice to work with.
Martha and the Eighth Doctor… now THERE’S a spinoff.
Agyeman is 45??
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I would love to see Tennant and Smith act together again.
Doesn’t even have to be Doctor Who, just want to see them act together in something good & fun
They worked well together
Omg yes
Having the tenth doctor regenerate into the master by having his ring would have been so cool. Could you trust him? How much was he master and how much doctor?
Have him Regenerate and no be himself
3:50 Strangely enough, in its second season, "Star Trek:Enterprise" had an episode where they encountered a small craft with no external engines, which was much bigger on the inside and had a control room with roundels in the walls.
What about roundellos?
That hexagonal console was not a coincidence
Over on Voyager THAT EPISODE (of which has been struck from canon) has a ton of DW references. 😂
@@brainlock72 Wouldn't something have to be IN canon in order to be STRUCK FROM it?
@@GabePuratekuta 😂😂😂😂
The Master wasn't intended to be the Doctor's brother. He was meant to be a part of the Doctor, his ego. The side of him that almost dropped rocks on caveman's heads. The idea was later reworked as the Valeyard. The Master would save the Doctor and become reintegrated into him as he regenerated.
I mean the doctor is always trying to cave in someone's skull with a rock
Even before he was the doctor according to some sources
4:42 the 2nd Doctor did get a chance to play both himself and an evil dictator in “Master of the World”. So the concept was tweaked slightly and made for an excellent story. 🌚🌝
I can't believe you didn't have the idea of Ace attending the Prydonian Academy on Gallifrey, which I heard they were going to do in the "next" season, but of course that never came to be.
Ace and that doctor were the worst. So glad it died then.
@@davidthedeaf what??? Each to their own but for me Ace and Seven were Awesome, I adored Ace, I wanted to be her! 💖
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars when I began watching in the 1970s as a kid it was cool. Then I saw Ace, who was rude and always annoying, the very poor stories and bad guys (which I had no idea was cost cutting of BBC) and how clown like that doctor was, not in a good way, and quit watching until the new 21st century version came on. They won me back.
@@davidthedeaf well I certainly disagree with you! To me Tom Baker clowned about a lot, I don't remember Pertwee probably wasn't allowed to watch. I never found Ace rude, I found her fantastic, knew her own mind and wasn't afraid to be herself and brave. Before her most of the Companions were or came across as screamers unable to cope or moaners (Tegan, she Never stopped moaning!)because of how the characters were written. Modern Who has some great Companions and Doctors 😊
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars yeah female characters in the older ones were there as the screaming damsel in distress. I am not familiar with the orders stuff as much and didnt watch Ace I dont think but it sounds like she was a stronger female companion and that was sorely needed. It doesnt seem like until the modern era woman were allowed to speak their minds without being seen as having an attitude problem.
9:41 Doing so was unintentionally foreshadowed in 2006's "School Reunion," in which when Sarah Jane says, "You've regenerated," the Doctor replies, "Yeah. Half a dozen times since we last met." One could assume that he's referring to the Fourth Doctor dropping her off at the end of "The Hand of Fear," but Sarah Jane actually met the Fifth Doctor in the 20th Anniversary special "The Five Doctors." 5+6=11, not 10. However, in "School Reunion," the "current" Doctor was the Tenth, not the Eleventh, therefore, there must be an unnumbered incarnation between the 1996 TV movie and Rose, and hence the War Doctor.
I always assumed the Angel book was written by the Doctor, any time the word Madman turns up in Moffats era its usually referring to the Doctor! Like River says in the Pandorica "I hate wizards in fairytales they always turn out to be him" which would also explain why the Doctor didn't bother to fully read the book, either he'd already written it or realised he was going to so didn't read it to stop a paradox!
(Enter stage left, McCoy as Radaghast)
I remember Sarah Jane with the 4th Doctor, I was a teenager at that time. Very good companion as well.
That’s what I love about shows like doctor who, the many possibilities that could have been
The story about "The Final Game" being the original idea for the Third Doctor regeneration story is just that...a story. Delgado asked to be written out as he was losing out on roles so Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts decided to have him sacrifice his life to save the Doctor, it never got past the initial stages as Delgado was sadly killed in a car crash. Pertwee wouldn't decide to leave a show until filming Death to the Daleks a year later.
This is my head canon:
If there ever is an item of unknown origins (I.e. the Weeping Angels book) it makes the plot run a lot sooner if you just imagine the said item is question was created by the Doctor, just not yet.
I actually wouldn't have wanted the 9th Doctor to replace John Hurt's Doctor entirely in the 50th. I would have liked something more along with the lines of the same story we got with Tennant/Smith/Hurt, but ALSO throwing Eccleston in there for a 4 Doctor special.
At first I thought the hand was gonna be a way to bring back the Master. It was in the TARDIS when the Master stole it and I think the camera even zoomed in on it at the end of that series, so I took it as a hint that the Master swapped it with his own.
The evil Doctor was revisited during the Trial of a Timelord season where it was revealed that the Valeyard was an amalgamation of the Doctor at the end of his 12 and final incarnation of him where the high council created him in order to hide his involvement in finding the true intentions of how earth was thrown off its natural course and renamed Ravelox.
It is pushing a bit, but with Tom Baker's idea of a talking cabbage sitting on his shoulder could have been redesigned when Matt Smith had the Cyberman head plugged into the Tardis and was taking it around with him in the one adventure.
I still think that Paul McGann's 8th Doctor should have been made the War Doctor, instead of coming up with an entirely new incarnation with John Hurt.
Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps could have worked.
Maybe, but looking at his filmography, he probably wasn't available beyond the Night of the Doctor short he made.
He's too nice. Even after everything he's been through, Eight hasn't been broken down to the point of embracing fighting a war. That's why he had to regenerate into a Warrior. In his short, Eight was finally able to see that he *had* to do something about the War, but he couldn't have *done* it himself. And he wouldn't be the Eighth Doctor if he could!
john hurt was too nice to be believable as a warrior, seemed more like a kindly friendly grandpa. Paul Mcgann couldve easily played an weary, war-torn / battle-ready dr8
Sure, having McGann or Ecclestone in DOTD would have been coo, but we got John Hurt, so it was worth it
Weeping Angels are PERFECT example to how extremely cool ideas can be born in Moffat's Mind and how helpless is he in their development and logical conclusion. "Don't Blink" is a masterpiece, while late all the potential Moffat created is thrown into a litter bin of space-time crack with a very weak plot. Oh gods, how I am happy to see RTD is back in control. His "Bad Wolf" twist was WONDERUL!
I would love to see a spin off with martha jones, she is one of my favourite companions! ❤️😊 I also think it would have been really interesting to see a series with amy pond and the tenth doctor, I often wonder how their dynamics would have been different. We'd already had the romance story between the tenth doctor and rose, unrequited love with him and martha, and the best mates relationship with him and donna. So it might have been nice to see the tenth doctor fall for amy but have amy completely oblivious and in love with Rory. Could have been a nice ending for the tenth doctor's character arc. 😊😊
I'm going to admit now that Martha is my favourite of the Tennant era. And that 3 my favourite modern series season. We need more Martha.
@@gjermundhigraff7789 Definitely, martha is amazing! 😊😊
That sounds terrible
@@bobbybobstar1496 Fair enough, I never meant it was a good idea, just an idea. Thanks 😊😊
Expanding on the Weeping Angels' book would have been anazing. Missed opportunity.
As far as I am concerned, Martha was special because for once, the companion was not the most important being in all of creation. She was special because she was Martha. She was enough. I was fine with it. Underrated, for certain.
Temporary.
When silly is the subject, the Absorbaloff will never not be mentioned. And to the point, I agree that only Tom Baker could have made a talking cabbage believable, if not iconic.
And now someone (I assure you it will not be me... no, seriously) is going to request a Cameo that requires saying the word "temporary" seventeen times. And I need to stop giving people ideas.
I remember that cliffhanger before the S4 finale. I was only seven at the time and I remember spending all that week wondering who the next Doctor would be, I didn't think for a minute that it would be Tennant again, and neither did anyone else, as I recall.
I didn't know who to expect, and my speculation varied wildly from one of the old Doctor returned (I had a lot of Classic Who episodes on VHS as a kid), which is no longer as crazy as it sounded at the time, to someone from my other favourite show at the time 'Young Dracula', probably Keith-Lee Castle who had played the Count. Odd as the jump from Count Dracula to Doctor Who would have been, it could have worked, Castle is a decent, but heavily underrated, actor, and Young Dracula was wrapping up at around the same time as this so he would have been free.
I think you forgot the idea that rose is a artificial companion made by the doctor
I think this would have been great to see
It would make the Doctor look like a creep and kind of contradict what makes his story so good. Through meeting Rose, he became a better person. If it was revealed he had been shaping her into doing that, it would just destroy that story
@@ThetaSigma-vu1sk no it would be understandable because before nuwho he was almost traumatized because of the Time war so he wanted to create "the perfect companion"
They just covered it in a new video "10 *Terrible* Doctor Who Ideas that Nearly Happened"
Wait a minute! Wasn’t Martha the one who walked across the earth spreading the word of the doctor. That was a very important storyline in my opinion.
We almost had a Romana spinoff in e-space, but this was too costly. One odd ball suggestion with that was E-space could contain the Star Wars galaxy.
Ace nearly got a trike modded like Bessy but it was deemed goofy, the prop was later used by Lister in ‘Red Dwarf’.
The Rani and Doctor having originally been lovers and The Rani being Susan’s grandmother was nixed to make room for The Master in ‘Mark of the Rani’
Oh, god, I wish there were crossovers. It would make the series far more infinitely amazing!
I did read on TV tropes at one point that never mind 9, at one point in the making of the 50th special, Moffatt didn't have *any* Doctors signed up, even Matt Smith's contract expired with Name of the Doctor, and while desperately negotiation contracts for Matt, David Tennant and John Hurt he was working on a backup story that... I don't remember entirely but I recall reading that it was something like Clara (the only actor still on contract at the time) having to remember the Doctor and something to do with movies starring fictional Doctors played by famous actors, presumably something to do with how they got out of the Doctor's timeline after Name of the Doctor.
Wouldn't necessarily say it's brilliant, Day of the Doctor is definitely better, and given how polarizing Clara was with fans the idea that she was the star of the 50th... may not have gone down well with her detractors, but it's certainly an interesting could have been.
Another interesting thing is that Twice Upon a Time almost didn't happen, Moffatt intended to wrap up his run with The Doctor Falls, ending with the regeneration into Jodie, if we assume that the plot was still meant to lead into The Woman who Fell to Earth in the same way then it would've added a double meaning to the Title, but then he learnt that Chibnall didn't plan to make a Christmas episode, and failing to deliver on that would cost Who the Christmas slot in the future, so he threw together a romp with David Bradley's take on the 1st doctor, his CD of Murray Gold's greatest hits, and Peter Capaldi's expertise on the Christmas Armistice... then Chibnall ditched Christmas in favour of New years anyway.
Thank goodness that 50th version didn't happen. I love Big Finish but their Unbound series where the Doctor is played by other people really doesn't appeal to me so I can't begin to imagine a TV version. At least The Next Doctor made sense in how it came about. I hadn't heard of your 50th potential version before 😊
Big finish, why haven't you given Tom Baker his talking cabbage yet?
I think they make a small little callback to the Master being the Doctor's brother in Smith and Jones when Martha was examining the Doctor and she asks if he has a brother and the Doctor replies "No, not anymore"
Imagine if the Doctor regenerated into a child
Here is a neat "Easter egg" I think about the whole "master as brother" idea - in "sound of the drums" when the doctor is explaining who the master was, Martha said "I thought he was going to be your secret brother or something", the doctor then remarks "You've been watching way too much TV"
There was/is/will be an "Evil Doctor"
The Valeyard!
granted... he doesnt call himself "The Doctor"
but the Master does mention "or as I know him..."
11:12 "Stranger things have happened on this show. Let's be honest." Why say that with that clip right there, WhoCulture?
I'm REALLY glad there was no Trek/Who crossover on TV. I love both, but they're in VERY different universes.
It wasn’t meant to be. Things happened to prevent it. All is well.
For me, the missed opportunity was Mark Benton's character who was researching the Doctor - it would have been a lot of fun to have an episode that featured more of his research (a Doctor-lite episode perhaps?) as he gets frustrated by officials and UNIT.
I love the idea of the Tennant/Moffat story. I really wish we had gotten it at least for series 5. Then Matt Smith taking over for Series 6 onwards. We would have probably gotten most of the same stories just a year later. Then Capaldi's one year break would probably have had series 10 so by now we would probably still be on the same track with RTD, Tennant and Gatwa.
I also kind of like the idea of Capaldi being in The Day of the Doctor. Like imagine he got announced and then appeared in the 50th before his series had even started.
Thank you! That was fun!
MATT SMITH as MASTER - rumor has it, he would do that roll. Thoughts?
I dont think he could be the Master, but the Valeyard....maybe?
@@maskmaker6374 Not familiar with Valeyard, I'm a Nubee :-)
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See "Trial Of A Time Lord"--- all will be made clear.
I think I am the only one that enjoyed the absorbaloff? The episode structure and the message. I always liked it 🤷🏾
We are getting Eccleston in a multi-Doctor story this year at least. He revealed that he had worked with David Warner, both playing their own incarnations, just days before David Warner died.
Any chance this is true??
@@todaythebirds Yeah, it happened already as part of the 60th.
I feel that McGann should've come back for Day of the Doctor instead of creating a new Doctor incarnation. Just to give him a proper Who story outside of Big Finish.
The Five Doctors nearly actually had five Doctors in it instead of only having leftover Shada footage of four.
9:55 Amazing? I think you mean Fantastic!
I hear that David Tennant is going to regenerate into Brad Pitt before regenerating into Ncuti Gatwa... ;-P
If we really did get the doctor and master as brothers, then maybe we wouldn't of gotten the ridiculous timeless child stuff.
Maybe not, or they’d make it, with the timeless child stuff, they’re actually half brothers or adopted brothers.
We didn’t get “the ridiculous timeless child [sic] stuff”; the only TTC “stuff” we got was brilliant, not ridiculous.
Or a Tin Dog as a companion.
Imagine a Doctor Who crossover in lower decks! An animated doctor helping starfleet deal with an invasion of farting Slitheen!
Doctor who and star wars are my favorite science fiction
Good choices. I suggest you try watching the old BBC version of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You may enjoy it.
@@angbald thank I have BBC the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy on DVD
Aaah the weekend starts with #WhoCulture and The Winsome Wonderful Ellie Littlechild ☺️🤙
Strange New Worlds isn't afraid of crossovers!
The _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ episode "A Matter of Time" plays a lot like Doctor Who meets Star Trek until the final scene. I wouldn't be surprised if it was written as a sort of spec script for an official crossover but then changed.
RIP Delgado! I had NO idea about that!
Number one, would love to have seen Jackson Lake as the Doctor just for a couple of scenes.
I really think that getting a line of I¡m ready to go would have been awesome it is cool he is living a life but you know I really wanted that other ending
the closest we got to an evil doctor is arguably the fathom doctor from the unbound series full fathom five played by david collings.
now i want a ''temporary''blooper :)
Oh, Ellie.... :D
Good call, we'll see if we can dig it out!
I still think a season where the doctor goes evil or bad would be a greet idea
Ridley Scott was originally supposed to design the daleks
Funny story: I always thought about my own version of The Doctor. I don't know, if this version would be accepted from the audience, since my stories are more fantasy than science-fiction and mostly play on earth. But, much like Tom Baker, i also had the idea of a vegtable as companion.
My idea is build along the lines of Mimir from God of War. Like him, the living pumpkin called "Cucurbita" who served the roman god of war, would join The Doctor to aid him in one of his dark times and furthermore help companions to understand The Doctor.
At one point Tom Baker's doctor was going to be revealed to actually be the 13th incarnation, which is where the morbius doctors came from.
And if the show wasn't cancelled in the 80s you would have had a storyline similar to the timeless child, with the doctor being the reincarnation of the past timelord and 3rd founding member of timelord society the other. I've always like this one (which is why I'm not so disliking of the timeless child, it could definitely have been executed better though).
Do you have some proof of this, such as a place online with quotes by the director, or such?
I would put money on Tom Baker's talking cabbage idea being just a dig at Lousie Jameson who he had issues with. "Why not give me a talking cabbage next time?".
id give everything to see M running around the Tardis even if it was just for 30 seconds
"A Talking Cabbage" Cut to Grogu
So Eccleston actually heard Moffat out and read the script? I didn't know that. The assumption is then that we'll never see him on screen again as we would only ever be in a multi-Doctor special.
How about the change of the lead actor coming about thanks to the Celestial Toymaker? Apparently there was serious talk about replacing William Hartnell at the end of "The Celestial Toymaker", and the change being explained as a trick of the Toymaker's.
Great video. That Angel book could work, if it was first angel (that arrived with ship) did it. He was in normal state, it would make sense, if he eat normally. It could take place of stupid moving angels. Idea of Toflacains (did I wrote it right?) appearing trough series as mysterious villain is definitely interesting. It would be mystery, who they are and why they do this. There could be even scene, where they save doctor/Marta, because he needs to release their Master! Their existence could be explained as side effects of Master experimenting and rebuilding TARDIS before paradox machine was working or side effects of destruction of paradox machine. They probably couldn't take place of Daleks, but having additional mystery like them would make whole finale much greater! M. J. spinoff or her bigger role in universe would be definitely plus, even if she isn't my favorite. That is Donna. But she is good and I would want to see more.
About Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor... If his first words are not "Still not ginger!" Then I'm out.
While I absolutely LOVE both Star Trek and Doctor Who, I have absolutely NO interest in them crossing over. They’re two VERY different universes and stories and it would make NO sense for them to come together.
Wow…. if Delgado hadn’t died, we wouldn’t have the master today.
He was Perfect as the Master.
Having Eccleston in the 50th would have been epic! But kudos to Moffat for side stepping that issue so brilliantly and having the Doctors dark secret, John Hurt instead. However upon learning this news, I would equally have been happy to see McGann in the John Hurt role before transforming into Eccleston at the end. What if eh…
I'm more curious about one of the ideas that did collapse. I wish I knew what they were planning with the whole TARDIS top lightbulb thing during Matt's run.
I'm still rooting for one season of Doctor Who to have the whole hullaballoo that so-and-so is the 85th Doctor or whatever, only for them to die halfway through the second episode of the season and regenerate into someone who hadn't been alluded to at all in any press packages and the big-name actor who'd been announced was really only in those two episodes.
Why is there not a dr who episode where the current doctor does not just cross universes to one where the doctor has not regenerated that way you could have any living doctor in it.
Evil Doctor should have been in the Power of The Doctor - instead of Sacha Dhawan wearing the Doctor's clothes, Jodie Whittaker instead gets the Master's lines
With the Christopher Ecclestone scenario and not wanting to cast in a multiple doctor who special, wouldn't it be cool to have just a normal series but where the Doctor of the present and the 9th doctor not been in the same world, but have to work together through just a screen the get back their own timelines
The Cabbage companion would only work on a single story, otherwise it would have felt too awkward. But someone who would have rocked that Cabbage idea is definitely Sylvester McCoy, because you need a lot of humor for this.
A cabbage companion couldn't be any worse than sonic sunglasses. Cheers....
We had an evil Doctor- Ten in The Waters of Mars.
Martha Deserves Anything they want to give her. Sign me up!
Hopefully that last one is actually what he's doing by bringing back Tenant.
Imagine, Dr Who spinoff episodes where they get a famous actor to play the doctor for just 1 episode before regenerating into the next one.
TBH in my head canon the War Doctor and the Eighth Doctor are the same person.
Impossible. We literally see the regeneration, and them being two different incarnations is integral to _The Time of the Doctor_ (2013).
oh do NOT give me the new theory of a Neil Patrick Harris Doctor i absolutely *will* piss my pants if that happens
MARTHA!!!
I am working on a fanfic staring with Amy Pond and 11 traveling together right after losing Rory the first time. They get the idea to scan for other tardis's but accidentally scan for other of the exact same tardis. This leads them to meeting 10 and 13. The 3 of them get along great while trying to piece together how they ended up crossing paths. 11 is the ring leader and the most serious. 10 thinks it is none of his concern because whatever input he has the others must already know. Only when 13 offhandedly comments she used to be a "white haired scotsman" does the pieces come together. All this time there was a missing incarnation that held the key to why they ended up together. The hunt for 12 begins and that's as far as i've gotten.
There is one big problem, since when 11 is serious
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Since Time of angels where it was established he will act very serious when the time warrants it. "You're letting people call you sir."
I’m telling you the new doctor is DONNA regenerated…
Didnt Martha in the 'Sounds of Drum' directly mention the possibility, when discussing the Doctor and Master's back story?
Right now I'm thinking about Ncuti Gatwa's doctor running into Anson Mount's Christopher Pike and how that could go???
Really good stuff, just what I have always said, Who is only great because of it's creative regen ideas. Sprinkled thru, giving Whovian fans so much yumminess, as the Seasons progressed.
We felt loss, as the Characters gave us
& Poor Matt I adored how screwed up he was, how flawed, added to Capaldi's really confused, & tired more serious, To loyal Doctor Whovian's
Young Gens & older, we always appreciated story, & the Characters to have besides fun, & very silly, substance, 4 all our hearts the next Doctor is a true Whovian, & his Companion Married to the 10th Doctor, Who's favorite 5th Doctor is his father In-law Peter Davidson. 💔💔
So keep it in the Whovian Fam. Because yeah Russell is back in the Seat of power, & hopefully he has given serious thoughts to his Who Villain Jynx🤡💯 is there a Reason why she looks like I love Lucy in Spaghetti lounge act, & fired from said Lounge act, why is she out for the Doctor?
Because I think talking Cabage seems more a hit then us not having a amazing miss y.
Thank you WhoC.¿
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Over years we've seen many talented showrunners and writers, plus Chris Chibnall. There, fixed the opening sentence for you
Nope. The original was fine.
Please talk about Jinx! Have been waiting to hear the speculations and theories regarding her character. Love you WhoCulture!
If the doctor regenerated into Ian McKellen and then back into David Tennant I think I would of been disappointed we only got to see him for a couple minutes. Don’t tease us like that.
If Susan Foreman is the Doctor's granddaughter, who is her father. Answer, the Doctor's Son, of course. William Hartnell is said to have written a story involving a battle between the Doctor and his evil son, Hartnell to play both roles. The episode was never made.
The Delgado Master might have revealed that the Master was the other side of the Doctor himself and not his brother. One option.
What the Doctor doin?
Thanks for the Martha love. I was disappointed in starting her off with a crush on the Doctor, which I felt was a weak choice after the whole Rose story. She deserved better, is right.