E98-9 - Torey Lovullo Ejected by Vic Carapazza After Strahm's HBP of Star Player Carroll, Rojas too
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- HP Umpire Vic Carapazza ejected Diamondbacks manager Torey Lovullo for arguing a hit-by-pitch non-ejection of Phillies pitcher Matt Strahm, who hit Arizona's Corbin Carroll with two pitches. Because of Lovullo's incitement, warnings were issued to both teams. Rojas got tossed too. Report: www.closecalls...
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Realmuto seems like a cool dude
He is cool
He’s a real dude
@@davruck1 keep it real man.
He should mind his own business! Seems like a shit starter to me
Not a mute, though
Kudos to the umpires for putting out the fire so quickly. Kudos to Torey for protecting his player. Kudos to JT for protecting his pitcher.
To Torey, for whining about being pitched inside?
Those pitches wernt even that egregious as far as too far in.
Good gawd Karen
@@chuckfan1 6” off the plate. How far in is ok?
@@CommonSense823 with the batter diving out yes... They weren't too far in - not even close
@@Mox3712 according to the px data, the closest one was over 7” off the plate. The other was 12”. That’s not a legit attempt at a strike. If that’s the control the pitcher has, he’d better find another part of the zone to attack instead of up and in.
@@CommonSense823 There WAS NO intent what are they only to throw where a batter can hit it?
I never thought I’d see the day! Vic Carapazza actually ejected somebody when it was 100% warranted! Usually, his “standard” is much, much lower
Jt should have stayed out of the argument in my opinion. Torey didn’t say anything to him until he stepped in. Manager has to say something when his guy is hit twice.
I watched this live. Lovullo was just putting on a show to try and get his team going.
it may come at a price of a suspension
@@eymannreport4177 worth it
@@eymannreport4177 i see he's managing tonight
It worked
It could be parallax, but the second one barely even looks inside (I'd be curious to see the px). It was clearly very high, so not a strike, but the only reason Carroll got hit was because he started to swing at it.
CB Bucknor would have called both pitches strikes on the swing.
3rd inning HBP: Px: 1.31, Pz: 3.65. That's almost 7 inches inside the plate, just inside the batter's box.
If the hitter does not move his arms neither pitch hits him.
@@voxelation Oh wow, parallax really made it look closer.
@@stevebabiak6997 what the fuck is the ball doing that far inside? In both at bats, the previous pitch was a slider that moved back over the plate. No issue checking the swing on the fastball inside, but if that’s the best command he has over his fastball, he has no business throwing high and inside.
Best bit about this is Lovullo goes on about how where he was pitching was a “not safe zone” and he wants to create awareness that it’s not gonna make anyone comfortable yet next game Kelly was pitching up in that zone against Bryce and it seems he’s fine with it 😂
Maybe if his batter would stop starting to swing at pitches that high and tight he wouldn’t get hit. They need to suspend Lovullo like they did Boone then maybe he would stop arguing so much.
This is all kind of just leftover from the issues with the "Pirates way" of pitching inside. It's fine to pitch inside if you can control your stuff. It's not right that the opponent has to suffer the consequences of your misses and you can continue to go on with no correcting factor. Back in the barbaric days the opponent would just knock down your batter to "take care of it" and MLB rightly took action to take that out of the game, but they left a hole in the system. Of course the pitcher isn't trying to hit the batter but that's irrelevant if they continue to pitch in there without the control to do so. So I'm not surprised that Lovullo took action when the pitcher goes 0-2 on controlling his stuff, what other mechanism is available to put a stop to their actions if the Phillies are just going to continue to put his star player at an unreasonable risk to injury?
I wouldn't say they missed at all - he was trying to hit the area he pitched in. The only reason the batter got hit was beginning his swing or diving out...
This. Exactly this.
The rules basically legalise pitchers cheating because of the idea "they need help controlling the pitches", there needs to be more than just "intentional" hitting, for situations like this where a pitcher is riskily throwing up and inside and hasn't got the control to do it. Considering that it's rare for more than a handful of HBP's (the record in a single game is apparently 7 in total from both sides combined), I think it should be an automatic ejection when a team gets it's 3rd, 6th & 9th HBP's regardless of if earlier HBPs got ejections for being intentional.
@@bigpoppa1234 Ump's regularly eject players in the minors for uncontrolled pitches. usually 3-4 Accidental HBP from the same pitcher (less if the ump feels unsafe) is an ejection, I don't think it's ever happened in the MLB.
More importantly the phillies need to clean that shit up themselves. Because Strahm can't pitch up and in and Realmuto is a left handed catcher. Good place to get a jump on that combo, look at how far Realmuto has to move and his position he ain't throwing anyone out on that pitch.
Pitching inside is not putting someone at risk for injury.
Lindsay vibing with the music in the intro is a win.
Love the dance at the beginning. Hope you're loving life!
The batter was hit on a check swing in both at bats. Neither of the pitches that were thrown would have struck the batter had be not swung. Pitchers are allowed to throw inside. If the batter can't read that the pitch is out of the zone and gets his arms/hands in the way on a check swing, the batter walks to first and the game moves on. This is what would have happened in the game. The batter had no significant reaction, there was no sign of intent, there is no history between the teams or players, and the pitcher was not missing wildly inside or up in the zone. Lovullo's reaction is the definition of SOFT and instigated a completely unnecessary clearing of the benches. The umps handled it well.
There is no way that either of those were check swings.
Realmuto only stood up to lovullo for defending the pitcher not lovullo arguing the call. While lovullo argued that the pitcher should be ejected
He swung into each pitch.
Exactly. If the hitter doesn’t move his arms, neither pitch hits him.
Of course he did. If you watched the pitch sequence of each at bat (they were the same) and understood anything about baseball, you’d know why.
@@CommonSense823 The correct call is that the batter wasn't avoiding the pitch at all and should have both been balls. Too bad Corbin, work on your plate discipline and quit trying to get hit.
@@TenaciousSports LMAO.
@@TenaciousSports Tell us you don't understand how baseball works without telling us you don't understand how baseball works. I rarely agree with Ryan on this channel, but he's 100% correct, and you are making yourself look like an uninformed jackass.
Don't do that to my guy.....that's the manager's job. These comments are trash. Best manager. Dude got 1 year extension. Which is a joke....good on you T.
The batter started to swing at two balls high and inside. What's the problem?
Lovullo admitted it, no intent, so what the hell was he actually arguing on the field when pointing at anyone wearing Phillies gear?
I think the idea was that, even though this wasn't "head hunting" in the traditional sense, they already hit him while using the up-and-in strategy once, and now it happened a second time. What's to stop it from happening again with a worse result? Granted, there are much better ways to handle it, but I understand why he was angry, even if it turned into an exercise in buffoonery.
@@VisibilityFoggy It would help if Corbin didn't stick his elbow halfway to Sedona. Ridiculous and trying to get hit.
@@VisibilityFoggy Maybe if he didn't swing at them.
Talking to the opposing team's catcher? That's a new one. If I was Vic, I'd have put up a warning sign as soon as Torey left the dugout, though.
He’s done it before with Yadi because Yadi was framing pitches for strikes.
To me, it looked, before the ejection, that Torey was basically telling the Catcher "I'm not talking to you, back off", while he was trying to "discuss it" with the Ump. It looked, to me, like the Catcher was inserting himself into the "discussion". After he got ejected, then yeah, he was talking to/at everybody he could on the other team.
no. you got it wrong buddy, opposing teams catcher disrespects other teams manager**
intro dance 10/10
That was hilarious! The music when the bullpens came running in was LOL funny too!
ThE PlAyEr SwUnG iNtO ThE pItChEs… yea guys he has to start his swing to hit inside fast balls going 95 mph. If he doesn’t at least start his normal swing motion he will never catch up to 95 on the inside corner. By the time he recognizes the pitches are going to hit him it is to late. He stops his swing but not before the HBP. TL was obviously upset that they are pitching inside when the pitcher did not have the command to do so. Was it intentional to hit Carroll? No. Did they intentionally pitch inside when the pitcher had no command? Yes.. that is the issue and that is definitely why TL was yelling at the Phillies.
Finally. Somebody here gets it.
@@CommonSense823 idk why everyone has a hard time understanding simple baseball dynamics
@@johnengel4968 Because on this site you will find only people who have never played the game, or umpires who think they are much smarter than they actually are.
Both pitches were between the plate and the batters box. Perfectly fine to pitch there. The batter put his arm in the way of both pitches because neither would have hit him otherwise.
Both pitches were inside the batter's box according to pitch tracking data.
Both times the batter was attempting/starting to swing at the pitch up and in. Clearly the game plan of going up and is working since hes chasing those pitches. HOWEVER if he didnt try to swing he wouldnt have been hit. Question I've always had is why is leaning into a pitch negate the hit by pitch BUT if you are starting to swing and are hit AND are not called by an umpire for completing said swing, you can take 1st base on a HBP. How is leaning in not ok but throwing your arms in front of the pitch when "swinging" and being hit is ok.
He should probably stand there like a statue until he’s 100% sure the ball won’t hit him, and then once the ball is 2/3 of the way there, decide to start his swing to hit a 93 mph fastball. 🙄
Even more important for him to wait since the previous pitch in both at bats was a slider that started at his head and cut back over the plate.
Great job by umpires keeping this under control. Getting tired of prima donnas who get offended when they are pitched inside. Although this player didn't seem to have an issue with it, I've seen it time and again. AZ manager may something out of nothing. He deserved to get run.
Anyone know why they decided to remove the smaller mlb logo from the back of the uniform shirts? That below the collar tag.
Driving my OCD crazy seeing nothing there after years of it being there.
Digging the dance moves at the beginning! Perfect music! 🎶 😂
Lovullo is way out of line here. There is no intent at all here, and Torey looks like he was looking for trouble the whole time. Warnings were warranted here. Hopefully this doesn’t linger.
It might have been a smart move just because ejections mean that a future HBP could be ejectable even without intent, and that will give his guy better pitches to hit.
I think that's wrong, and one reason warnings can be an issue.
Clearly on purpose
Torey definitely did not need to be out there and definitely doesn’t have the right to yell at the opposing players, so in that sense, he was out of line. He went out to protect his player and Carroll came up with an RBI triple in his next AB.
Do you think warnings would have been issued if Torey didn't do this? How many times does his star player need to be hit before the umpire does his job without the manager having to remind him to do it?
@@sfan2767 That is not true. A warning doesn't change the basic rule that there needs to be intent in order to eject
This is why IMO, there needs to be a rule that a manager can NEVER be thrown out and that all managers have the authority (say five times total in a season) to actually toss an umpire. Having a balance of power will curb the egos. Additionally, a simple rule, if a pitcher, in trying to pitch to a heat map, shows an inability to control where he's pitching sufficiently such that he hits more that one batter, he's out of the game. If the batter's grip invades the strike zone such that he's hit, the batter is out no matter what the count.
Hitting the same player twice should be an immediate warning. Third time ejection.
Unless the player is swinging - he wouldn't be hit if he wasn't swinging!
Nice dancing!
Accurately getting the vibes.
Dickie Noles 😀
Why is he arguing? Just throw up and in to one of their stars?
The title of this video really hurt my brian.
Carroll is a beast. Seattle kid
Either that Arizona player has the absolute WEIRDEST swing in the history of baseball or he was TRYING to be hit.
D backs beat phillies when it mattered most!
Phillies announcers are right, there wasn't any intention before Torey lost his mind, and now there is
It’s time for baseball to adopt a basketball rule. If you aren’t in the game and come onto the field, it’s an automatic ejection. If the whole dugout comes on the field, then the whole dugout gets ejected. If everyone in the bullpen comes on the field then the whole bullpen gets ejected. I’m sick of this immature bench clearing crap.
Torey Lovullo is butt-hurt because the Phillies exposed his rookie phee-nom as a guess-hitter who's helpless against a pitch he's not expecting. It's possible that nobody in Carroll's baseball development chain ever noticed this flaw until now. Needless to say, the rest of Carroll's season could become a sticky wicket.
How did they expose him if he still went 2-3 after getting hit his first two at bats.
@@CarlosAlvarez-hw1je Because the umpires FORCED them to not pitch him where they were NOTHING is wrong with pitching inside.
@Chris Humble sounds like a smart move by the manager to get warnings issued. I agree there nothing wrong with pitching inside but if you keep hitting the guy then what's the point. If you can't execute the pitches then you shouldn't be pitching inside. Just end up getting someone hurt.
@@CarlosAlvarez-hw1je: Someone gets hurt when he tries to anticipate a pitch's location, begins his swing and gets nicked by an inside pitch. Carroll had 10 HBPs last year between two MiLB teams. Pitching him high-and-tight seems a viable alternative to tossing him a cookie. This is a man's game.
The manager must have used the word YOU to the catcher that why the coach was tossed 🙄
lovullo may get a suspension for instigating
I hate the phillies .
Carroll was check swinging at both of those pitches and got hit. It didnt look intentional at all. The only guess I have is that Torey Lovullo and Vic Carapaaza have a history with each other and they probably dont like each other. I dont like Vic Carapazza much as an umpire, but Id say that Rojas ejection was a power trip move by Carapazza.
I don’t care if it was an overreaction, I love it. Lovullo was sticking up for his guy. He might’ve saved his star from an iL stint and definitely fired his team up to rally back and win.
But it was wrong and he even admitted as much. He said he didn't think there was any intent so what was his issue? That his player starting to swing at pitches high and inside got himself hit?
@@Mox3712 He said he didn’t think it was intentional but its never wrong to stick up for your players. Players break fingers/wrists all the time on pitches like that and carrol had already escaped injury twice. It was basically an ultimatum. Hit our guy again and its war. He didn’t get hit again.
As a manager you've really got to do something after your player gets hit twice in the same game on similar pitches. Especially if it is in consequtive AB's. Especially if there are more AB's expected for the player that game. Especially if it is the first game in a series. That second HBP looked a lot like the one that happened a few months ago to Manny Machado, broke a few bones, and put him on the IL for around a month. Ok, Lovullo let himself get carried away (in multiple ways), but I suspect that was in part because some words of displeasure were directed at him from the Phillies dugout.
@@danhenderson7010 corbin will continue to get pitched high and tight until he starts hitting those pitches or laying off of them. Lovullo acting like a baby is more likely to cause intentional HBPs.
I think you're my Spirit Animal, Lin! 🤣🙏❤️
I hate the phillies
This one is tough on umps. I think they did it right. To me, yes the pitches were inside.. but not so far as to be aimed at him.. I think both would have missed if he didn't start his swing (of course if he didn't and that pitch moved he's toast too.).. the warning.. normally I wouldn't agree.. but in this case, if that's not done something tells me AZ would be plunking someone. Torey was wrong.. on every level.
The Dbag coach is a D bag.
It was his job to instigate a near brawl. How much will he be fined for this fiasco???
Torey has a legitimate gripe. Strahm was ahead in the count literally the entire game and then CC gets hit up and in twice? Definitely not trying to put him on base but if you suddenly lose your control and miss up and in to the other teams best hitter, I’d be pissed too.
Why is Carapazza allowing Realmuto to talk to Lovullo (and vice versa) at all? That seems like a really bad idea.
Good point. I like Realmuto but not his place to offer his opinion when it between manager & umpire.
All of these benches-clearing incidents, including the bullpens "running" toward the plate, are moronic and childish. Let the manager rant at the ump; the players should just shut up and stay away. Figure out a way to pump your ego and prove your manhood somewhere else.
Looks like someone forgot to change Luvello's diaper
Lovello is lucky that was JT and not Yadi
One of the craziest statements of all time. We know for almost a fact that the Phillies threw in on purpose because of his numbers and the Phillies announcers acted incredulous even though they were pitching in for reason. Not necessarily hitting but throwing in.
99! Hey CCS maybe you need to hire at least 2 people to help you on this channel. I kept saying 250 ejections by the end of the baseball season including playoffs. You will be exhausted
Lovello, just smile and drill their big star...accidentally
This entire "I have to protect my players" BS is getting out of hand. They're men playing a child's game and getting paid handsomely to play it. The Phillies know his weak spot is up and in, the D'backs should know it as well and expect pitches accordingly. Be a man, get better, and turn the weakness into a strength. That's what great players do.
LMFAO. His weak spot is not 6" out of the strike zone. If the pitcher can't control his fastball better than that, and the umpire is just going to sit there with a stupid look on his face, somebody had better say something. Lovullo got exactly what he wanted - warnings issued to both teams so they couldn't continue to risk hitting him again. Maybe if the umpire would have done his job and issued the warning after the 2nd HBP, he wouldn't have to step out of the dugout.
@@CommonSense823 Another clueless reply. Is this your job? Making clueless posts to things you know nothing about?
Mgr, players, broadcaster, all say “the umpire should do this, umpire should do that, umpire shouldn’t…gimme a forking break boys. The day I see you behind the plate calling a game is the day I’ll let you 2nd guess how an umpire handles these high-strung millionaires. I know Lindsay’s been there, done that. Preach sister👏
Jt shouldn't have been in that conference before the ejection
The benches clearing after Torey Lovullo got ejected was absolutely stupid. He’s going to get suspended for that.
Excelente.
Get your players and managers under control.
This is seeping into the lower levels, including threats against Little League umps.
Manfred, get it under control.
As an example, Lovullo should be suspended at least two games here. One for the incitement of the clearing of the benches after being ejected, the second to get the point across to knock it off.
You’re out of your mind. He has every right to stand up for his player.
Was it intentional? No.
Did the pitcher have enough control to keep pitching up and in? No.
Is this better than drilling Realmuto in the helmet for continuing to call for that pitch, knowing his pitcher didn’t have control? Yes.
@@CommonSense823 No I'm not. First off, this entire league is out of control, and, as MLB has noted in the past, it's seeping down to lower levels.
Secondly, he's still jawing with the catcher and provokes the entire benches situation because his little rookie's fee-fees are getting hurt.
Knock it off, shut up, play the game.
@@michaelfalkner1186 First of all, he was not jawing at the catcher. Realmuto said as much and had no issue with what was said.
Secondly, stop with the lower levels crybaby BS. Nothing that happened here is causing low level umpires to be threatened. You're clutching pearls over nothing.
You’re delusional.
MLB has a bigger problem-diva umpires and UmpShows.
If you say, the Torey, Lovullo should be suspended for two games, down, how many games did Aaron Boone, David Bell, Scott Servais and David Ross get for their ejections? All 4 for these managers should be suspended for multiple games for their fiasco
This is hands down the stupidest ejection I have ever seen. Tori brought all of this on himself and he should be suspended over this
Carrol beat the Tigers up pretty good this weekend. Never join the herd. Good advice.
Lovullo has gotten into a fight with Yadier Molina & J.T. Realmuto.
Torrey is a clown! He’s lucky his team is good otherwise one of the worst managers I’ve ever seen
Lovullo should be suspended.
He was for 1 game
Please don't make your videos cringe by dancing like Elaine from Seinfeld.
Funny.
The dancing!!!! 🤣🤣
Good on Torey. Hands are fragile and too many pitches up and in can easy lead to a long IL stint. Gotta stick up for your young stud and put the kibosh on it.
get your hands out of the way then
errr, by his complaining, they're going to stop pitching inside?!
Nothing wrong with those pitches.
super biased as a dbacks fan here, but i perosnally agree with Lovullo going out and getting ejected, not necessarily the bench clearing part but going out to protect his player
What does it accomplish though? People will still pitch inside to this guy. If he wants to send a message, he could tell his guys to throw inside too...
From what? himself?
@@davidtsang4949 Not once the warnings were issued. That was the entire point. The next HBP is an ejection, whether intentional or not. The manager got exactly what he wanted out of this.
@Ryan Lewis this guy gets it. If it takes a small fine and watch the game from the clubroom to keep your star player safe I think any coach would do it.
@@CommonSense823 That's still at the discretion of the ump. It's not an automatic ejection. If anything, it's more likely an ejection if a D-backs pitcher hits someone at that point since it would be seen as retaliation...
i think it was more about the pitcher not having control where you want to throw it in a potentially dangerous zone (up and in) so stop throwing it near there, rather than any intent to hit the kid. that's why Lovullo was getting in Realmuto's face about it. He was saying to stop calling for up and in if he can't hit his spot
Those pitches weren't that far inside though...
@@davidtsang4949 They were not close to strikes
@@CommonSense823 and it wasn't egregiously inside either. It's not like they buried the pitch into his back...
@@davidtsang4949 So which would you prefer.... The manager going out and getting warnings for both teams, or Realmuto taking one in the face for continuing to call for that up and in pitch, knowing his pitcher wasn't hitting his spots? Seems to me this is a better outcome.
@@CommonSense823 Do you think that would stop them from pitching inside to that particular batter? The ump (and even Torey) agrees that they weren't trying t hit the batter. So if they pitched inside and clipped him, it's likely that they won't throw out the pitcher because there still isn't intent. I'd certainly bet that if the D-backs hit someone after the warnings, it would be seen as retaliation and the pitcher would be thrown out. Only after that, would a hit batsman by a Phils pitcher would result in an ejection (retaliation after a retaliation). The warnings would put a spotlight on the D-backs pitcher first and foremost...
Hitting the same player 2x in one game.....Zero Tolerance....Auto Eject....=))
He put his arm in the way of both pitches
What you have just done is give batter's complete dominion over the inside part of the strike zone and plate area. You know nothing about the game. Be quiet, your ignorance is on display.
@@garygemmell3488 If the pitches were in the strike zone, you'd have a point. They weren't close.
@@CommonSense823 You really are clueless, aren't you?
Children at play!
it is embarrassing how much of a clown show the mlb has become. Not leaving the field immediately after an ejection...SUSPENSION. Leaving your position, dugout, or bullpen during any conflict...SUSPENSION. And every ejection should come with a 9 inning suspension to prevent late game whining. MLB is a joke.
Good on Torey that was clearly on purpose
Torey literally said he thinks it wasnt on purpose, that's clearly not on purpose, watch the whole video
Purposely inside but not purposely hitting the batter...
He is getting hit in the hands, that is the swinging area. Also I think there needs to be a policy of, no punches thrown, 1st and 3rd base umps babysit the dugouts. 1 idiot decides to jump the fence when there's no fights, and everyone goes, well, I guess I need to help, when there's nothing to help with. We just have a boring 10 minute delay over nothing. No punches, and someone steps out the base umpires need to give a warning and then start to toss people. There was no need for benches to clear, and then the bullpens, Come out with a slow jog, and then head back out to the outfield wall with a slower walk. All of that without an actual fight.
Can we actually make the rule the hand is part of the bat, so the second one is a foul ball?
Did the second one hit his right elbow (pad) and then deflect to hands?
No.
No.
@@TPinesGold I may have seen it wrong since it looked like his knuckles rippled.
Otherwise he put his hands in front of the ball.
Cut him a break, first ever experience the manager has had with the game of baseball.. only thing that makes sense to me... i think he told the ump that the pitcher was throwing the ball too fast.. "come on ump, pitch is way too fast, nevermind it not being right over the plate"..
Torey lovullo played in 300+ major league games.
I understand not wanting your best player being hit, but pitchers have been
Pitching high and tight for 150 years. Didn’t look intentional . The H.B.P. that is. High and tight was intentional. It’s baseball.