Running spiderfarmer sf4000 in 2 3x3 tents. Rocks... $20 electric bill monthly( led, humidifier, dehumidifier, fans and exhaust fan) for 1 tent. Bought both for $250 each. Following VPD. Looking to organic "build a soil" for starters. Thank you for all you do for our community.
I was already looking to upgrade this year and had my eye set on the Migro Aray 4x4 and this solidifies that. You really do make a solid price to performance device. Thanks for the update video
That's a very nice set-up with some top-of-the-line equipment. Congratulations bro! I have a similar awesomeness in my 5x5 gorilla grow tent....iv'e got the GRAND MASTER LED's TARANTULA TENT ULTIMATE 5X5 1000W so i've got the best 5x5 lightcoverage on the planet, for any PAR between 100-1300. What a beautifull beast! +2 x Shane's UVB310's. Great harvest's my bredren🙏🏻
@@ganjah-far-i7124 That's amazing the 1000 watt 5X5 Tarantula is what I think I'm buying now. I'm switching from CMH to led and have been researching LEDs for the past week. I was wondering where you should place your UVB lights when flowering. Thanks for the info on that bad ass led! I'm looking forward to getting one
@HLBNZ....The UVB lights just hang between the bar's of the TARANTULA (or basicly any bar-style LED-fixture on the market), 1 on each side of the tent. GrowerLove
Rocking a KS3000 in a 4x3 and i'm very happy with it. First round of tomatoes turned out very tasty and i can control it with my Controller 69 Pro. Have had Shane's Aray 4 in a 4x2 before and it also worked like a charm. I'd recommend Viparspectra and Migro any day.
My ROI-E420 has been working very well for the past three years. I’m sure it will run many more. Photoperiod and autoflower, it puts it out. Solid build quality. Professional grade.
Exactly what I have a 4x4 homebox tent, but I got a mix of light systems, vipraspectra xs1500 pro and the maxibright daylight 200w with the lumatec 100w supplementary bar, works brilliant for me 💯🇬🇧
My experience with medic grow mini-sun 320. Started flickering on a 100% after a short use. When I contacted the company they did nothing.... Same thing on my mars hydro light back in the day. Problems went away when I spent a little more money and switched to Mammoth LED My opinion now is buy local. If your in the USA buy a light built in the USA. At least make sure the companies home business is in the same country as you are
I've just purchased an Omega black 750w. From one stop grow stop. It's not arrived yet. Was only £379 and the reviews are glowing. I have a philizon pl2000 Qboard just now. My girls will have the new light for the last 3 weeks. I've not heard them mentioned much. 🤔
What I would really like to start seeing next to the "PPFD in a 4x4 at X inches" charts is a temp reading showing how hot said space gets at that distance with a baseline of no exhaust happening. As I buy lights I am finding out they are not all created equally in the area of "am i going to be able to maintain my RH or will I have to constantly run the fan not to fry the plants."
One watt equals a fixed amount of BTUs no matter what.. the only reason old school lights heated things up so much is because of the infrared in their Spectrum
i like what mars is trying to do by letting you span out a high powered 4x4 light into something you could use with great efficacy in a 4x8 but the implementation needs some work. vivosun has the idea of modularity all wrong. if they wanna do stuff like this they should be thinking about people who are upgrading their grow tents and dont wanna buy 4 more aerolights. extender packages should be sold separately and given proper consideration as a grow light accessory.
I just bought ks5000. What was ur average yield per plant? Did u grow a bunch of little plants or multiple large plants? Any issues? sounds like it worked great for 7 years.
@@Rizik1986 Hi I usually run with 4 plants in a 3x3ft bed under the light. I never really paid attention to weight. However I did one plant under it and got just a little over 3/4lb. The light did great.
@@rosslehmkuhler923 Good information! So far I've only grew one at a time. They grew huge and got near a pound. I wanted to step up to do more than one plant at a time, sounds like this light was exactly what I was looking for. Is the AC Infinity Evo8 miles ahead of the ks5000? Thanks for the reply 🙏🍀🇺🇸
@@Rizik1986 Yes the KS5000 is a great light. I hope it does everything you want it too. Keep the light at least 30in away from the canopy. It is bright enough to burn you plants. I think the lights are comparable.
Would really love to see you get your hands on some FARMLITE fixtures, they've got a 240w bar and a 320w bar that are really nice and really good prices for their wattage. Also would love to see you test Vivosuns new bar fixtures, i recently bought one of their 645w lights and i'm loving it so far.
just finished a run with my migro 4x4 500w version ran 6 ak47 from serious seeds and 3 super skunk from sensi . got 426g of ak and 178g of super. of nice dense bud and 110g of popcorn nug still fairly dense but not like the bulk. all in all very very happy with my light. and forgot it was only on 80% for week 3 to 5 of flower oops
@@MIGROLIGHT ak in soil 20 litre pots. super in coco 15 litre pots. light went back up to 100% at the end of week 5 till harvest day 58. i love old school strains ak pheno 2 was 115g
Medic grow got the stick cuz no1 wud run the mini sun by itself in a 4x4 they wud use their 660w like the others u reviewed, besides that great vid That parlite and FGI r very nice
@@gnarlygt420z yeah I heard that migro didn’t want to test any more lights for him but I’m assuming the lights that have already been tested will be included in the 5x5 chart once it’s made
My Spider Farmer SE5000 fell right in the middle. I'm not mad about that. I originally used it in a 3'X 3' and it crushed it. I feel like it will be fine in a 4'X4', but, should have gotten the Aray. Thanks Shane, been waiting for this one.
Talk about LEDs always focuses on efficiency and 'numbers' but never on the quality of the finished product. LEDs are finiky and not always plug and play if your environment is tuned right. If you don't mind a little less efficiency but better finished product mix LED and HPS in the same tent. You won't regret it.
I am wondering if you are reviewing an older model of Spider Farmer SF4000. The model I am looking at on Amazon as of 7/28/24 has the Samsung LM301H EVO chip. 450Watts. Is this the model you are reviewing, or an older model with a lower efficiency chip? Thanks!
everyone wants to say the ac infinity light is great but no test they still haven't sent you one china light build quality ? and a weak 3 year warranty mammoth lights are beast new tech and great reviews
Best emphasizes the importance of a properly designed layout and the quality of LEDs. Use lights with LM301H~ EVO chips. It seems incorrect to still use LM281 chips for sale. Could it be that they haven't consumed the 50,000 MOQ they received?"
Keep it up. Amazing videos. I have the groplanner 600 for my 4x4. 4 150w boards for 45 a piece on Amazon. Really wanna figure out spacers of 6” and see the par. It gets toasty in the middle. I’m at 65%
spider farmer send me a dysfunctional light that turned to a nightmare. viparspectra crapped the bed after a 21 day wait. fustrated and gonna stick to the cmh. it works.
Places own "grow light" second on list despite having the highest "Usable PPF Output.!" 🧐Priceless..!!💸😜1st grow, 1 week seedling, 1 week veg so far.! Photos.! Looking ahead for 4x4.! Autos.! Have the Vivosun 200Watt Aerolite w/Wings in a 2x4. So smooth w E42A wifi so far I contemplated getting 2 200WAE for a 4x4. Seems E42A wifi works with others.!🤨
Why is the Koniea brand in the list? It can't be found in 5x5 best LED light 2024 either. I think the brand should be on the list. You have already tested the 900w 4 channel from Koniea. I wanted to buy it now I'm unsure.
I've had a great experience with MedicGrow, both from a product and customer service standpoint. Must say though, seems like an odd choice to put a 2x4-sized 320w light into a 4x4 review.
Not true. spectrum is only 2% blue which promotes stretching. LED have 10 -15%blue for short dense growth. HPS is less than half as efficient making them much more expensive to own than LEDs over a period of time and are environmentally damaging due to energy wastage and mercury content.
No just never tested one but they would not do well in this comparison. According to their website their 500W 4-8s delivers 665 µmols average in a 4x4. That's a system efficiency of 1.91 usable PPF/watt. That is a lower system efficiency than any fixtures in this list for $1,149. They were good fixtures when you bought them but now they are not competitive.
@MIGROLIGHT which are you talking about. And mine produce over 1200 watts. And the newer ones are taking g over the large commercial market. WTF. Maybe you should check again. New lights can get 7lbs. Documented. Can yours.
@@RedtideFla lights don't produce watts. They use watts and produce light, heat, sound/vibration. The more efficient the light is the ratio of the light produced goes up. An old led rated 1200w could be throwing out less light than a new 750w Led.
@tommyheron464 I'm glad you think this, but I'm still getting magazine quality, and 36to 40 Oz off each light. All new grow facilities are switching to black dog. Cheap Chinese LEDS are exactly what they are. Inexpensive and last 2 yrs. Black gives 5 yr guarantee. Do your lights. All high-quality connesuers are switching. Maybe you should open your mind to the obvious.
For whatever reason they ain’t got many videos of anyone doing par reviewers either . I’m hearing lotta problems with the new bar lights .. But one thing I can say bout AC infinity they will improve on the product if it did issues Like their tents had bunch of issues then they redeisujgnrd em . And the fans . They got a new design gen 2 . Even the seedling kit they improved on them as well with a better controller . They are always improving. But I been hearing people complain about driver issues on the new Ion Franes.
Can’t speak for the other companies, BUTT, Mars-Hydro’s Costumer Service is the worst. Make you feel like they don’t give -a~f*^k about you or your grow. Don’t put your purchases on your account on THEIR site. Then make you prove you purchased the light. Been waiting 5 weeks on a driver that went out on me Jan. 9, 2024. Would like to hear of other costumer Service with other companies. I’m in the market after 4-20-2024. Just sayin………
Spider farmer is just as bad. They wouldn't send me a replacement driver and had a harvest die because of it. They still never fixed my light. I had to do a chargeback
@@HoldThatMayo95 I still don’t have my driver at 5 weeks since contacting them. May not be on the list, butt A/C Infinity is on their game at Costumer service. I may pay a little more. Butt I’ll go with good C.S. . I have the S44 in my 4x4 tent, and it’s a good light. Lights are the only things I ownn N that are not A/C Infinity. My next light will probably be an A/C Infinity based on C.S. alone.
This is one of the reasons why I'd purchase from Shane's MIGRO, and HGL, as well. From my years of watching this channel, these companies not only honor their Warranty, but will quickly send another driver. I had the same problem with an Alibaba "sample". Nice, 8 bar fixture, 800W, but driver went bad. They couldn't even sell me a replacement driver..?! MIGRO 750 was a month away from release, and I needed one ASAP. Found a decent, cheap, Amazon fixture (I certainly don't trust the warranty, but $325 for a 720W, 6 bar fixture from "RDJ Bouns"), has kept me going for now. I'd like to know who sells these 800W drivers..?! I've looked all over, but have never seen one for sale over 300-400 Watts..?! Many, many fixtures use these drivers, but apparently no one sells them? I've never used google so much, as I have when trying to search for a replacement driver. Nothing worse than a useless warranty. And one of the main reasons I wanted to purchase the MIGRO 750, besides that it's got a great spread of light and is very efficient, is because I know Shane handles any problems quickly. Forgive my rambling, please. I just wanted to share a similar experience, and express how important Warranties and Customer Service are. Thanks for the info on Mars Hydro's "Warranty".👍💯✌️
Thanks for the update. There is something funny about the spreadsheet. Shouldn't "total cost 3 years" column be "3 year electricity cost" + "USD $ Price"? The last column doesn't seem to add up. Mars FCE1000 is $819 + $1042, but is only $1430 total cost? Then Migro Aray 4x4 is $475 + $1029 and Total Cost is $1472. How can the total cost of the MIGRO be more than Mars when the Mars fixture is $350 lower than Mars? Is there some other variable that is not listed in the spreadsheet?
The electricity and fixture cost are based on delivering 800 µmols PAR average in a 4x4 which is 800 x 1.44m2 = 1,152 µmols PAR. The MARS Hydro delivers 995 watts x 2.44 = 2,428 µmols so there is only about 1/2 a fixture required or about $400. The ARAY 4X4 delivers 1,235 µmols so about 90% fixture cost is required or about $410. This calc may appear convoluted but it is the best way to compare lights of different wattages and PAR outputs to suit the same size space in my opinion.
Someone considering buying one of these lights for their 4 x 4 grow space is unable to buy 50% or 90% of the fixture. They have to buy the entire fixture. So their initial capital outlay is the "USD $ Price"@@MIGROLIGHT . In my view that should be included in the 3 year total cost. (And it would make MIGRO total cost way better than the more expensive fixtures...) Maybe your chart is fairly comparing the efficiency of the different fixtures, and the way I describe it is a "buyers guide".
Migro lights are underpowdered and unsuitable for growing in the spaces suggested. You can tell this is the case by the 250 watt increase between the 4x4 light and 5x5 light. 30cm distance from light required to almost get 800 par and the average under 800??!!! Seriously???
This was a confusing azz video. 1. Because he said Spider farmer se5000/2.5 But then i go to the website& there's no se5000 that looks like this. There's a G5000 that looks like this& it's 2.8 so can somebody help make it make sense? Shane does lots of work& I expect truth& transparency from him so this thru me? Even the se7000 doesn't look like this the gseries does?
I have a 4" x 6"=6" with a FCE 4800 and Bloomplus 3000 organic soil. I could improve efficiency with one beg light. 4x4 is to small for 6 plants. 4 x 6.5 is the sweet spot for 6 15 gallon pots with some room to spare.
Good info. So at how many watts do I need to introduce co2 man. I have an 350 r from hlg. I would like bigger bud. The quality is fine but I don’t get huge colas for the main vein.
Not all strains are made for huge baseball bats. It very dependant on plant structure, how you can manage streching, what kind of light you are using, how often you are feeding, how precisely you can control nutrient supply (depends on media you are using). It is so many factors to be considered. I got beautiful fat colas from using cheapest possible grow light, tons of terpenes. While clones of plant produced rock hard, but not consistent cola and they streched 2x more than mother plant. So experience is biggest key. CO2 is good for speeding up vegetation, but after strech is finished (1-3weeks, dependinging on genetics) plant starts nutrient uptake downwards. ✌
ThriveAgritech has a white paper you can search for titled, "Impact of supplemental under canopy lighting on dry bud mass". It is definitely something I am going to play with and the Migro Array bars seem like they would be a great value candidate. @@MIGROLIGHT
Hi, it's not overkill, it's at the high performance end though. If you are just starting I would recommend the ARAY 4X4, link here: migrolight.com/collections/led-grow-lights/products/aray-4x4
If I use se7000,in 4x4 is it necessary to use 100% power? I only have one tree. and encountered problems with heat in the grow tent Right now I'm only using 80%. Or should I change to se5000? If i used 100% of light my grow tent temp is 80 Fahrenheit or more
It's really not a yes or no answer, indicating that you don't understand enough about growing. Is the plant healthy? Generally you can turn it up until you get light burn, then turn it down a bit... But a better way is to actually measure PPFD/DLI values and go from that.. you're probably not going to be maxing that light out if it's anywhere near your plants. If you want to keep it simple, just leave it as is.
Is the photontek the equivalent of the Lumatek 2.9 or lower umol/s model? I think its the 2.7umol/s model. Still, the coverage on those units are terrible by the looks of it.
Thanks @migro I'm more interested in the one you tested as there seems to be a big difference between the diodes used. It might make the difference when someone is deciding what unit to purchase.
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@MIGROLIGHT I just picked up a 4 foot x 4 foot x 80 inch tent. I plan on getting your light. I'm just trying to prepare properly and get everything at once. Looks like I might be adding some co2!
I recently received your 500w 4x4 migro aray light. I noticed there are some inconsistencies on hanging height between the online information, and the information provided with the light itself. What do you recommend for hanging height and power percentage for seedling, vegetative, and flowering stages?
Whoever says mars Hydro's customer service is bad -it's probably a plant from another lighting company I've had issues in shipping that were not their fault that they corrected I've had them ship me free things before that got bent in shipping they're very responsive and they're very very accommodating either you haven't talk to them or you're a shill
I’m starting to wonder why you wouldn’t test the GML Tent ultimate? It would blow all these lights away! Can you explain why you won’t test GML LEDs any longer? Seems like you’ve lost all credibility by being picky choosy on who you test. Consumers want a non biased tester, who doesn’t sell his own LEDs. Conflict of interest is what comes to mind right away. All I can say is I used you as and promoted you as being a great tester. My eyes are open now. Thanks for showing us this. Mars Hydro is your number 1😢😢😢 this is far from the truth and it’s telling that you are a paid advertising agency now, not a professional tester.
Guaranteed this comment gets deleted. Any criticism of migro lights is deleted immediately incase people are educated on the lack of power in his lights. This is what happens when you read how to grow cannabis instead of actually planting some seeds.
Hey Stephen here, I grew for many many years and give advice to novice growers on a daily basis, most of my knowledge came from books before starting growing yes. We don't delete comments on this channel, we leave them up so everyone can see who the haters are. Take care.
@@MIGROLIGHTit's not a case of being a hater, it's facts. 500w of led is under powered for a 4x4 space for flowering all plants efficiently. 30cm space between canopy and light? What about the over a foot of buds below the tips of the colas? The majority of the vegetation is located at least 30 cm below the tips of any decent buds. Your lights are inadequate and underpowered isn't a statement I throw around. The 5x5 light is more suitable and I am not commenting on build quality. I'm saying the truth that in a real world grow with cannabis plants your 4x4 lights and the other lights below this one are just no use. Your lights results in under developed lower buds with light green vegetation caused by lack of light.
@@moonygrows I'm using a 200w in a 4x4 just now. I've got an Omega black 750 arriving in a few days. I'm on day 36 flower and things are looking lovely. I've actually got slight bleaching on 1 bud as the spread is shit. But it works.
@@tommyheron464 okay? And I'm using a 730 watt on around 85% in week 2 of flower. I have 4 plants around 4.5-5 foot tall and they look fantastic with zero light bleaching. I expect to hit a minimum of 22+ ounce of solid buds with zero larf... Also in a 4x4
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Running spiderfarmer sf4000 in 2 3x3 tents. Rocks... $20 electric bill monthly( led, humidifier, dehumidifier, fans and exhaust fan) for 1 tent. Bought both for $250 each. Following VPD. Looking to organic "build a soil" for starters.
Thank you for all you do for our community.
I was already looking to upgrade this year and had my eye set on the Migro Aray 4x4 and this solidifies that. You really do make a solid price to performance device. Thanks for the update video
Aray 5x5 in my ac infinity 4x4 with migro uvb is my favorite setup ever. The terps are crazy!!!!
That's a very nice set-up with some top-of-the-line equipment. Congratulations bro!
I have a similar awesomeness in my 5x5 gorilla grow tent....iv'e got the GRAND MASTER LED's TARANTULA TENT ULTIMATE 5X5 1000W so i've got the best 5x5 lightcoverage on the planet, for any PAR between 100-1300. What a beautifull beast! +2 x Shane's UVB310's.
Great harvest's my bredren🙏🏻
@@ganjah-far-i7124
That's amazing the 1000 watt 5X5 Tarantula is what I think I'm buying now.
I'm switching from CMH to led and have been researching LEDs for the past week. I was wondering where you should place your UVB lights when flowering. Thanks for the info on that bad ass led! I'm looking forward to getting one
@HLBNZ....The UVB lights just hang between the bar's of the TARANTULA (or basicly any bar-style LED-fixture on the market), 1 on each side of the tent.
GrowerLove
Can I also control the Aray 5x5 on an AC Infinity Setup via the app?
The new aray 4x4s are working well for me! I also have the first aray 8 and the newer aray 8 all still in use
Great to hear James
IVE JUST USED THE SE5000 AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY IM VERY HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. THANKS SHANE🌱💚🇬🇧✌🏼🤩
Rocking a KS3000 in a 4x3 and i'm very happy with it. First round of tomatoes turned out very tasty and i can control it with my Controller 69 Pro. Have had Shane's Aray 4 in a 4x2 before and it also worked like a charm. I'd recommend Viparspectra and Migro any day.
My ROI-E420 has been working very well for the past three years. I’m sure it will run many more. Photoperiod and autoflower, it puts it out. Solid build quality. Professional grade.
im so happy, just ordered myself the Aray 2 now, we in south africa cape town ,cant wait , only hear very good things about your light
Exactly what I have a 4x4 homebox tent, but I got a mix of light systems, vipraspectra xs1500 pro and the maxibright daylight 200w with the lumatec 100w supplementary bar, works brilliant for me 💯🇬🇧
You could save a lot on your electric bill by using one good light.
@@Wesmancan Less than 450 Watt in a 4x4? You grow Tomatos? The xs 1500 pro isnt that bad and lumatek is also a quality Light.
No I grow weed. Indoors. Tomato’s are outdoor
I'd love to see you include the new AC Infinity bar lights in your review.
Still waiting for them to send me one, hopefully soon
Would love to see you review the new ChilLED 2024 x3 Duo?
I Prefer to have several Lights, especially if the plants have different Heights its very useful.
My experience with medic grow mini-sun 320. Started flickering on a 100% after a short use. When I contacted the company they did nothing.... Same thing on my mars hydro light back in the day. Problems went away when I spent a little more money and switched to Mammoth LED
My opinion now is buy local. If your in the USA buy a light built in the USA. At least make sure the companies home business is in the same country as you are
mammoth kills all these lites period
where would ac Infinity and HLG fall into that list?
I've just purchased an Omega black 750w. From one stop grow stop. It's not arrived yet. Was only £379 and the reviews are glowing. I have a philizon pl2000 Qboard just now. My girls will have the new light for the last 3 weeks.
I've not heard them mentioned much. 🤔
Wouldv liked to see how the Phantom 440 and AC Infinity 4x4 light stacks up instead of some of these lights that no stores carry.
I love the aray 5x5' for my 4x4' an actual besst strapped to the top bars of my tent
Great to hear
What I would really like to start seeing next to the "PPFD in a 4x4 at X inches" charts is a temp reading showing how hot said space gets at that distance with a baseline of no exhaust happening. As I buy lights I am finding out they are not all created equally in the area of "am i going to be able to maintain my RH or will I have to constantly run the fan not to fry the plants."
One watt equals a fixed amount of BTUs no matter what.. the only reason old school lights heated things up so much is because of the infrared in their Spectrum
Hi, the more efficient the grow light is the lower the heat and visa versa.
I keep 2 fans running in my 4x4 24/7. Above and bellow canopy.
i like what mars is trying to do by letting you span out a high powered 4x4 light into something you could use with great efficacy in a 4x8 but the implementation needs some work. vivosun has the idea of modularity all wrong. if they wanna do stuff like this they should be thinking about people who are upgrading their grow tents and dont wanna buy 4 more aerolights. extender packages should be sold separately and given proper consideration as a grow light accessory.
Please please please Test sanlight Lights pls!
want to thank you on the hyphoton flux 4000 - i got one delivered for $265 - score - just what i needed and a killer price right from the factory
wow you got a good grow light here thats cool
Migro 100%
I am now replacing my ViparSpectra KS5000 after 7 years of faithful service. Replacing it with a new AC Infinity Evo8 in my 4x4.
💸💸💸💸😱💨♿💩💬🤭
I just bought ks5000. What was ur average yield per plant? Did u grow a bunch of little plants or multiple large plants?
Any issues? sounds like it worked great for 7 years.
@@Rizik1986 Hi I usually run with 4 plants in a 3x3ft bed under the light. I never really paid attention to weight. However I did one plant under it and got just a little over 3/4lb. The light did great.
@@rosslehmkuhler923 Good information! So far I've only grew one at a time. They grew huge and got near a pound. I wanted to step up to do more than one plant at a time, sounds like this light was exactly what I was looking for.
Is the AC Infinity Evo8 miles ahead of the ks5000?
Thanks for the reply 🙏🍀🇺🇸
@@Rizik1986 Yes the KS5000 is a great light. I hope it does everything you want it too. Keep the light at least 30in away from the canopy. It is bright enough to burn you plants. I think the lights are comparable.
Much love & thanks Mr.S 🙏
Would really love to see you get your hands on some FARMLITE fixtures, they've got a 240w bar and a 320w bar that are really nice and really good prices for their wattage. Also would love to see you test Vivosuns new bar fixtures, i recently bought one of their 645w lights and i'm loving it so far.
just finished a run with my migro 4x4 500w version ran 6 ak47 from serious seeds and 3 super skunk from sensi . got 426g of ak and 178g of super. of nice dense bud and 110g of popcorn nug still fairly dense but not like the bulk. all in all very very happy with my light. and forgot it was only on 80% for week 3 to 5 of flower oops
Nice yield for 400 watts🙃 1.8gpm. What medium were you using?
@@MIGROLIGHT ak in soil 20 litre pots. super in coco 15 litre pots. light went back up to 100% at the end of week 5 till harvest day 58. i love old school strains ak pheno 2 was 115g
Medic grow got the stick cuz no1 wud run the mini sun by itself in a 4x4 they wud use their 660w like the others u reviewed, besides that great vid
That parlite and FGI r very nice
do a California lightworks bar style LED fixture review pls!!! thank you! good video!
Hey,
They haven't contacted us regarding testing.
@@MIGROLIGHT why you dont test 2 of sanlight evo 4 120 its the best lights für 4x4
Why don’t you ever test AC infinity light
Like the evo 4 bar light
They have not sent one for test
I’m excited to see where the gml lights land on the 5x5 grow light chart
Won’t ever know, they’ve refused to test any more GML lights
@@gnarlygt420z yeah I heard that migro didn’t want to test any more lights for him but I’m assuming the lights that have already been tested will be included in the 5x5 chart once it’s made
Why not?@@randylayhee3018
I have the spider farmer SF 4000 the new version, and it's a great light gotta for a great deal.
Thank you for all the info that was great show ✌️
I've just ordered one too, I was disappointed when it got not a great review here, I hope I haven't wasted my money.
@@spazzymacgee5648 The one he tested is at least one if not two generations older thats from 2021.
@@yobgow it's all.good, 3 weeks left on my first grow with the new sf4000 everything looking great so far.
id love to see you test 2 sanlight evo 4-120 1.5 in the 4x4, austrian brand, very very widespread in germany. :)
Wow surprised not to see mammoth lighting on here. Great price and a ton of light for the money
My Spider Farmer SE5000 fell right in the middle. I'm not mad about that. I originally used it in a 3'X 3' and it crushed it. I feel like it will be fine in a 4'X4', but, should have gotten the Aray. Thanks Shane, been waiting for this one.
hope it didnt damage any plants?
Thank you for your research, Sir!
Shane + Migro = Trust simples
Would you also recommend the IONFRAME EVO6 from AC Infinity
Talk about LEDs always focuses on efficiency and 'numbers' but never on the quality of the finished product. LEDs are finiky and not always plug and play if your environment is tuned right. If you don't mind a little less efficiency but better finished product mix LED and HPS in the same tent. You won't regret it.
I’d like to see where the omega infinity 3.0 fits into this list
I just bought the Omega black. Should have it in a few days. I was going to get the infinity but decided to spend the extra on a proper drying tent.
I am wondering if you are reviewing an older model of Spider Farmer SF4000. The model I am looking at on Amazon as of 7/28/24 has the Samsung LM301H EVO chip. 450Watts. Is this the model you are reviewing, or an older model with a lower efficiency chip? Thanks!
everyone wants to say the ac infinity light is great but no test they still haven't sent you one china light build quality ? and a weak 3 year warranty mammoth lights are beast new tech and great reviews
Nice selection 🔥💨🔥💨🔥✌🏿💯❤️
Best emphasizes the importance of a properly designed layout and the quality of LEDs. Use lights with LM301H~
EVO chips. It seems incorrect to still use LM281 chips for sale. Could it be that they haven't consumed the 50,000 MOQ they received?"
Im using the Growealth 4800. It doesnt reach the corners very well… but it does the job well
I think that last one with the extended fixture is so you can put 2 in a 5x10.
Keep it up. Amazing videos. I have the groplanner 600 for my 4x4. 4 150w boards for 45 a piece on Amazon. Really wanna figure out spacers of 6” and see the par. It gets toasty in the middle. I’m at 65%
Ive just bought a spider farmer sf4000 forvmy 4x4, i hope i haven't wasted my money.
spider farmer send me a dysfunctional light that turned to a nightmare. viparspectra crapped the bed after a 21 day wait.
fustrated and gonna stick to the cmh. it works.
love the video very instructive
thanks you a lots
Something the size of the ks5000 bit more watts 550 maybe
Bridgelux diodes
Would be a budget light would smash a 4x4
Can you do a 5x5, please 🙏🏻
Places own "grow light" second on list despite having the highest "Usable PPF Output.!" 🧐Priceless..!!💸😜1st grow, 1 week seedling, 1 week veg so far.! Photos.! Looking ahead for 4x4.! Autos.! Have the Vivosun 200Watt Aerolite w/Wings in a 2x4. So smooth w E42A wifi so far I contemplated getting 2 200WAE for a 4x4. Seems E42A wifi works with others.!🤨
If I go 4x4 ever, I'd go MIGRO , as things are now.
Thanks
@@MIGROLIGHT Would you go Tomacco F1 regs? 😆
Wow, i asked and i received, in 24hr thank you
was waiting on this a minutue great job BTW is there a 5x5 review ?
yes coming soon, thanks
With the KS5000, how many cm or inches are the hanging points in from the edge of the light?
Why is the Koniea brand in the list? It can't be found in 5x5 best LED light 2024 either. I think the brand should be on the list. You have already tested the 900w 4 channel from Koniea.
I wanted to buy it now I'm unsure.
I've had a great experience with MedicGrow, both from a product and customer service standpoint. Must say though, seems like an odd choice to put a 2x4-sized 320w light into a 4x4 review.
Double ended high pressure Sodium lights are exstreamly cheap and have exactly the right light spectrum you will need in flower always.
Not true. spectrum is only 2% blue which promotes stretching. LED have 10 -15%blue for short dense growth. HPS is less than half as efficient making them much more expensive to own than LEDs over a period of time and are environmentally damaging due to energy wastage and mercury content.
Why is it that you never include Black Dog, afraid of the competition?? Used them for 10 years. Nothing compares.
No just never tested one but they would not do well in this comparison. According to their website their 500W 4-8s delivers 665 µmols average in a 4x4. That's a system efficiency of 1.91 usable PPF/watt. That is a lower system efficiency than any fixtures in this list for $1,149. They were good fixtures when you bought them but now they are not competitive.
@MIGROLIGHT which are you talking about. And mine produce over 1200 watts. And the newer ones are taking g over the large commercial market. WTF. Maybe you should check again. New lights can get 7lbs. Documented. Can yours.
@@RedtideFla Read their specs, they are outclassed by every light on the list above
@@RedtideFla lights don't produce watts. They use watts and produce light, heat, sound/vibration. The more efficient the light is the ratio of the light produced goes up. An old led rated 1200w could be throwing out less light than a new 750w Led.
@tommyheron464 I'm glad you think this, but I'm still getting magazine quality, and 36to 40 Oz off each light. All new grow facilities are switching to black dog. Cheap Chinese LEDS are exactly what they are. Inexpensive and last 2 yrs. Black gives 5 yr guarantee. Do your lights. All high-quality connesuers are switching. Maybe you should open your mind to the obvious.
No AC Infinity tests?
For whatever reason they ain’t got many videos of anyone doing par reviewers either .
I’m hearing lotta problems with the new bar lights .. But one thing I can say bout AC infinity they will improve on the product if it did issues
Like their tents had bunch of issues then they redeisujgnrd em . And the fans . They got a new design gen 2 . Even the seedling kit they improved on them as well with a better controller . They are always improving.
But I been hearing people complain about driver issues on the new Ion Franes.
AC Infinity have said they are sending me one but no sign yet
How did AC/Infinity's new IonFrame Evo series bar lights not make the cut???
Not tested yet
AC Infinity have said they are sending me one but no sign yet
where can you buy the parlite in US? Thanks
Can’t speak for the other companies, BUTT, Mars-Hydro’s Costumer Service is the worst. Make you feel like they don’t give -a~f*^k about you or your grow. Don’t put your purchases on your account on THEIR site. Then make you prove you purchased the light. Been waiting 5 weeks on a driver that went out on me Jan. 9, 2024. Would like to hear of other costumer Service with other companies. I’m in the market after 4-20-2024. Just sayin………
Spider farmer is just as bad. They wouldn't send me a replacement driver and had a harvest die because of it. They still never fixed my light. I had to do a chargeback
Not tooting our own horn but we have the best customer service in the market, toot toot
@@HoldThatMayo95 I still don’t have my driver at 5 weeks since contacting them. May not be on the list, butt
A/C Infinity is on their game at Costumer service. I may pay a little more. Butt I’ll go with good C.S. . I have the S44 in my 4x4 tent, and it’s a good light. Lights are the only things I ownn N that are not
A/C Infinity. My next light will probably be an A/C Infinity based on C.S. alone.
This is one of the reasons why I'd purchase from Shane's MIGRO, and HGL, as well. From my years of watching this channel, these companies not only honor their Warranty, but will quickly send another driver.
I had the same problem with an Alibaba "sample". Nice, 8 bar fixture, 800W, but driver went bad. They couldn't even sell me a replacement driver..?! MIGRO 750 was a month away from release, and I needed one ASAP. Found a decent, cheap, Amazon fixture (I certainly don't trust the warranty, but $325 for a 720W, 6 bar fixture from "RDJ Bouns"), has kept me going for now.
I'd like to know who sells these 800W drivers..?! I've looked all over, but have never seen one for sale over 300-400 Watts..?!
Many, many fixtures use these drivers, but apparently no one sells them? I've never used google so much, as I have when trying to search for a replacement driver.
Nothing worse than a useless warranty. And one of the main reasons I wanted to purchase the MIGRO 750, besides that it's got a great spread of light and is very efficient, is because I know Shane handles any problems quickly.
Forgive my rambling, please. I just wanted to share a similar experience, and express how important Warranties and Customer Service are. Thanks for the info on Mars Hydro's "Warranty".👍💯✌️
@@MIGROLIGHT Sorry Shane, Didn’t mean to leave you out of the mix. You’ll definitely be in the “GOOD” list.
Can you please test the phlizon fd4500?
Why no hlg 600rspec in the test?? :(
Shane I am gonna order one of your lights I really like how they look and I know the quality it to0
Thanks, appreciate it, Shane
What about ac infinity ??
Thanks for the update. There is something funny about the spreadsheet. Shouldn't "total cost 3 years" column be "3 year electricity cost" + "USD $ Price"? The last column doesn't seem to add up. Mars FCE1000 is $819 + $1042, but is only $1430 total cost? Then Migro Aray 4x4 is $475 + $1029 and Total Cost is $1472. How can the total cost of the MIGRO be more than Mars when the Mars fixture is $350 lower than Mars? Is there some other variable that is not listed in the spreadsheet?
The electricity and fixture cost are based on delivering 800 µmols PAR average in a 4x4 which is 800 x 1.44m2 = 1,152 µmols PAR. The MARS Hydro delivers 995 watts x 2.44 = 2,428 µmols so there is only about 1/2 a fixture required or about $400. The ARAY 4X4 delivers 1,235 µmols so about 90% fixture cost is required or about $410. This calc may appear convoluted but it is the best way to compare lights of different wattages and PAR outputs to suit the same size space in my opinion.
OK. Thank you. Understood.
Someone considering buying one of these lights for their 4 x 4 grow space is unable to buy 50% or 90% of the fixture. They have to buy the entire fixture. So their initial capital outlay is the "USD $ Price"@@MIGROLIGHT . In my view that should be included in the 3 year total cost. (And it would make MIGRO total cost way better than the more expensive fixtures...) Maybe your chart is fairly comparing the efficiency of the different fixtures, and the way I describe it is a "buyers guide".
Curious why you didn't have Mammoth lights on the list or tested?
They are in the 5x5 test coming soon
What is your go to lighting for clones and seedlings?
The ARAY 1
migrolight.com/collections/led-grow-lights/products/migro-aray-1-seedling-grow-light
Migro lights are underpowdered and unsuitable for growing in the spaces suggested. You can tell this is the case by the 250 watt increase between the 4x4 light and 5x5 light. 30cm distance from light required to almost get 800 par and the average under 800??!!! Seriously???
You’re missing the point of effinciency
They are under-driven to increase lifespan and efficacy .
800 par is bang on for big buds .
This was a confusing azz video.
1. Because he said Spider farmer se5000/2.5
But then i go to the website& there's no se5000 that looks like this. There's a G5000 that looks like this& it's 2.8 so can somebody help make it make sense?
Shane does lots of work& I expect truth& transparency from him so this thru me?
Even the se7000 doesn't look like this the gseries does?
surely any of the new Evo lights beat all these ?
thanks :)
I have a 4" x 6"=6" with a FCE 4800 and Bloomplus 3000 organic soil. I could improve efficiency with one beg light. 4x4 is to small for 6 plants. 4 x 6.5 is the sweet spot for 6 15 gallon pots with some room to spare.
Why no tests on Dimlux LED's on your channel?
They have never sent us one for test
Good info. So at how many watts do I need to introduce co2 man. I have an 350 r from hlg. I would like bigger bud. The quality is fine but I don’t get huge colas for the main vein.
Not all strains are made for huge baseball bats. It very dependant on plant structure, how you can manage streching, what kind of light you are using, how often you are feeding, how precisely you can control nutrient supply (depends on media you are using).
It is so many factors to be considered. I got beautiful fat colas from using cheapest possible grow light, tons of terpenes. While clones of plant produced rock hard, but not consistent cola and they streched 2x more than mother plant. So experience is biggest key. CO2 is good for speeding up vegetation, but after strech is finished (1-3weeks, dependinging on genetics) plant starts nutrient uptake downwards. ✌
Anything over 1000 Par co2 is beneficial
@@aj9485I’m well aware. Thanks
@@MIGROLIGHTthanks much
Could you test a sonlipo led
Is your light compatible with the vivosun GrowHub controller?
Hi, yes it is, link to controller video here: ruclips.net/video/-OX06cTEsuM/видео.htmlsi=Ff40ccDruQ3FTaNd
Shane, have you ever experimented using your Migro bars as "Under-Canopy" or "Side" lighting?
No but thinking about it...
ThriveAgritech has a white paper you can search for titled, "Impact of supplemental under canopy lighting on dry bud mass". It is definitely something I am going to play with and the Migro Array bars seem like they would be a great value candidate. @@MIGROLIGHT
I want to grow in my basement, but I can only use a 120 x120 x 180 cm tent. Can i still use the MIGRO ARAY 4X4 750W or is it overkill?
Hi, it's not overkill, it's at the high performance end though. If you are just starting I would recommend the ARAY 4X4, link here: migrolight.com/collections/led-grow-lights/products/aray-4x4
@@MIGROLIGHT but my tent hight is only 1.80m is that still okay?
Yes
If I use se7000,in 4x4 is it necessary to use 100% power? I only have one tree. and encountered problems with heat in the grow tent Right now I'm only using 80%. Or should I change to se5000?
If i used 100% of light my grow tent temp is 80 Fahrenheit or more
It's really not a yes or no answer, indicating that you don't understand enough about growing.
Is the plant healthy? Generally you can turn it up until you get light burn, then turn it down a bit... But a better way is to actually measure PPFD/DLI values and go from that.. you're probably not going to be maxing that light out if it's anywhere near your plants.
If you want to keep it simple, just leave it as is.
Does he charge for reviews
missing my light the fce4800 :(
Is the photontek the equivalent of the Lumatek 2.9 or lower umol/s model? I think its the 2.7umol/s model. Still, the coverage on those units are terrible by the looks of it.
Both the same fixtures just with different names for the UK and US market, they have a 2.7 and 2.9 if I remember correctly.
Thanks @migro I'm more interested in the one you tested as there seems to be a big difference between the diodes used. It might make the difference when someone is deciding what unit to purchase.
Why no HLG’s being tested?
Check the 5x5 test, they are in there.
I tried to purchase a fixture from your site, transaction won't go through. I sent e-mail, haven't heard back.
Hi, replied this morning. Yesterday was Sunday we do not answer emails at the weekend, sorry. Many orders went through all weekend on all payment types. Please try again on a different browser.
@MIGROLIGHT I received the email this morning, thank you. I'll try again after work.
Any need to supplement co2 with your migro light?
CO2 is beneficial at all PAR intensities. However if you cant to grow more it is usually easier to add more grow space i.e. a seedling or veg tent
@MIGROLIGHT I just picked up a 4 foot x 4 foot x 80 inch tent. I plan on getting your light. I'm just trying to prepare properly and get everything at once. Looks like I might be adding some co2!
I recently received your 500w 4x4 migro aray light. I noticed there are some inconsistencies on hanging height between the online information, and the information provided with the light itself. What do you recommend for hanging height and power percentage for seedling, vegetative, and flowering stages?
Whoever says mars Hydro's customer service is bad -it's probably a plant from another lighting company
I've had issues in shipping that were not their fault that they corrected I've had them ship me free things before that got bent in shipping they're very responsive and they're very very accommodating either you haven't talk to them or you're a shill
You missed KingBrite
Kingbrite appear in the best 5x5 grow light video coming soon.
The vipar is 5000 always has 100 off coupon code u can get for a little over ,300
We would love to have you promote our products. Did you know TNB offers the best natural CO2 in the world.
Really 😯
Hlg Scorpion Diablo V2 is the best IMO
I’m starting to wonder why you wouldn’t test the GML Tent ultimate? It would blow all these lights away! Can you explain why you won’t test GML LEDs any longer? Seems like you’ve lost all credibility by being picky choosy on who you test. Consumers want a non biased tester, who doesn’t sell his own LEDs. Conflict of interest is what comes to mind right away. All I can say is I used you as and promoted you as being a great tester. My eyes are open now. Thanks for showing us this. Mars Hydro is your number 1😢😢😢 this is far from the truth and it’s telling that you are a paid advertising agency now, not a professional tester.
GMLs appear in the best 5x5 grow light video coming soon.
🤟🤟🤟🤙🤙🤙🥏🥏🥏
None of these are high quality professional lights.
400w for a 4x4, you growing lettuce? lmao
Guaranteed this comment gets deleted. Any criticism of migro lights is deleted immediately incase people are educated on the lack of power in his lights. This is what happens when you read how to grow cannabis instead of actually planting some seeds.
Hey Stephen here,
I grew for many many years and give advice to novice growers on a daily basis, most of my knowledge came from books before starting growing yes.
We don't delete comments on this channel, we leave them up so everyone can see who the haters are.
Take care.
@@MIGROLIGHTit's not a case of being a hater, it's facts. 500w of led is under powered for a 4x4 space for flowering all plants efficiently. 30cm space between canopy and light? What about the over a foot of buds below the tips of the colas? The majority of the vegetation is located at least 30 cm below the tips of any decent buds. Your lights are inadequate and underpowered isn't a statement I throw around. The 5x5 light is more suitable and I am not commenting on build quality. I'm saying the truth that in a real world grow with cannabis plants your 4x4 lights and the other lights below this one are just no use. Your lights results in under developed lower buds with light green vegetation caused by lack of light.
@@moonygrows I'm using a 200w in a 4x4 just now. I've got an Omega black 750 arriving in a few days. I'm on day 36 flower and things are looking lovely. I've actually got slight bleaching on 1 bud as the spread is shit. But it works.
@@tommyheron464 okay? And I'm using a 730 watt on around 85% in week 2 of flower. I have 4 plants around 4.5-5 foot tall and they look fantastic with zero light bleaching. I expect to hit a minimum of 22+ ounce of solid buds with zero larf... Also in a 4x4
Growerschoiice is junk .,