@Membersacc, i also suggest placing the throwbag further toward the stern, perhaps attached under a bungie cord on the deck plate. having it positioned where you have can make it extremely difficult to get from a capsized canoe.
@Membersacc, Furthermore, the bag end of the throw bag has been rendered useless by clipping it on. I suggest a bowline on the ropeside which is then clipped in.
In Arizona, a decent tree is so far above the water we need at least a 10 meter Painter to even reach a tree. The water here rises and lowers so much so fast we often need dual painters to keep the boat from drifting away. I drilled a hole in the bow and ran an eye-bolt for my painter. It doubles as a chain-attachment to keep people from stealing my boats. I tie my painter to a carabiner for ease of attachment and shove it into an old used water-bottle case which is clipped to the handle. When I canoe, I paddle an Old Town Pack 12. I also have a series of interlocking dance mats on the bottom from bow to stern and a doggie-deck I made for the bow for my min-pin. Otherwise I am in an Old Town Dirago-12 kayak or a Perception Carolina 14.6 kayak. Depends on the situation. Canoes do not do well going upstream nor can they keep up with kayaks.
1st: Air bags are not essential to preforming rescues. They do let the boat sit higher in the water when capsized which is nice in white water where rocks can cause damage to the boat. 2nd: You throw a throw bag. Many throw bags have foam in the bottom and are made of bright coloured fabric, this is so the bag has weight, can be thrown far, floats and is visible to the person it is being thrown to. You do not want to have the bag itself tied to the boat but rather the loose end if anything.
The canoe I bought came with foam buoyancy bags I’ve never removed them so didn’t realise there’s a D ring underneath, I’ll be sure to check there still glued down, same with the rope I’ve tied it on the grab handle so will be swapping that thanks
I like that canoe length and width. Looks very stable. I know it’s a long shot on a response being this is an old upload but what make, model and dimensions are the canoe?
Howdy. Can you tell me where I can find the Float Bags?? Been looking all over the net, and most are too skinny- for kayaks. Where did you find yhorus? What brand boat are you using? Thanks Ron Z
oh man, review some river rescue books, none would recommend your set-up. Give people all the information and explain it ALL... or don't post this... likely to end up hurting someone. For instance, why did you clip in to the handle on the throwbag as opposed to tying a knot at the loose end of the rope in the bag? How do you know the handle will hold? I've seen many bags with an overhand knot through a grommet... then the whole system is only as strong as the stitching of the bag.
that looks like a realy uncomfortable canoe to sit in. the right seat you cant put a backsat on cuz the bag blocks you from doing so and so that bag will end up hitting your back it seems. and the seat on the left you have like no leg room because again the obstruction of the bag. how does this work with it being comfortable?
Well it's a royalex hull, so you can't buy that exact model anymore. Truth is there are tons of great canoe makers, generally of equal quality. People will recommend the boats they've used, but that doesn't mean they are better or not. IMO it's better to find a boat that a local store can make it easy to get than buying a boat a RUclipsr uses. There's no such thing as a perfect canoe because every decision is a compromise.
I wonder if this older video is why I keep seeing this type of outfitting on British canoes. The guy actually says additional flotation is essential!!! Even though North American first nations who invented the design never needed that flotation. Nor the fur trade designs that succeed them, or in more recent times the decades and decades of Canadian trippers who don't have huge air bladders. Honestly they do more to displace water coming into the boat than offer practically needed flotation. Personally I'll take the extra legroom and a lighter portage thank you. You only see air bladders in whitewater outfitting in Canada and very often not nearly that big either.
really people... all the comments on the throw bag... did you not listen to him... he is using a throw bag for an alternative purpose. bit overall, sorry dude... your outfitting may work for you, but there are a lot of better ways.
hello applefries. you seem to be quite opinionated and the font of all knowledge, possibly because of all the books you have read. id really like to know what experience you have so i can see if its worth bothering explaining / justifying myself too. But just so i dont hurt anyone, for the record you only have part of the information has a taste for the DVD you can purchase which will be released soon kind regards leo (Level 5 canoe + kayak, WWSR national trainer, Rescue3 Int Instructor)
@getafixcoaching Hi bud I watched & I liked. So many comments so few bullets.......Any how I am a beginner at this & looking at getting a canoe soon for fishing. This video gave me "decking out" safety ideas. Thankyou.
APPLEFRIES.. when youve got the experience this lad has, you can make your on video on youtube okay?? until then, i consider your opinion - up the creek, without a paddle
Rule number one don't leave any lose rope in the canoe the you could become tangled in. rule number two if using rope in your canoe always make shore you have a knife easily to hand on your person in case you get in to a mess with any ropes. There are much better videos on youtube People i suggest you look at many videos or better still take lessons.
yes. what I thought as well. Obviously they are trying to sell floats. Why not just wear a life jacket so you can put stuff into the canoe? Silly I think.
Nice video lots of useful information for the week end paddler ,but your following are a bit anal arent they ? maybe its just me that likes to watch a video and notice the person making it as well and not trying to sound smarter than the host . Anyway im subbed in and see you later !
The airbags are not for floatation. Thats in case he crashes. (like car air bags) Notice how they are in the ENDS of the canoe, where an impact could occur. If they were for floatation he would have put them in the middle.
The airbags are not for impact; they are for displacing water in the event the canoe tips (making it possible to recover the canoe while still in the water) or waves slosh over the side. Most commonly used for whitewater canoeing.
why would you stuff your Bow and Stern full of air bags? Modern Canoes float. Even with Gear tied in. Ive never sunk a Canoe in my life! The best safety feature you can have is a very good Personal Flotation Device. Keep close to shore and dress properly. If you are in cold water then get some Neoprene to wear under your cloths, to stop Hypothermia.
I generally agree with you. I think the argument is that it makes a rescue easier, the boat is more buoyant and the bags displace water weight in the flooded hull. But yeah, just extra crap for most occasions. Only serious whitewater needs them. I'll take the lighter portage and extra leg room.
@@laggaming127865 well first off it's a royalex so the whole hull has a foam core, so for basic floatation nothing is needed. In Canada you mostly only see airbags on Whitewater and whitewater touring outfitting, and often a splash deck for the whitewater touring. IMO the bag actually does a better job displacing water when flooded giving you a lighter boat to empty. Foam is more durable, but a pain. Modern canoes don't even use foam in their floating, just an air void. The guy says air bags are "essential" which is just plain false. They take away space, they add weight, and millions of kilometers have been paddled without them.
@@jeremyO9F911O2 Thanks for the info, never had a Roylex and they're few and far between now in my country. I would still say that flotation solutions are essential for NEW paddlers though... I've spent enough time trying to flip a swamped boat while heading for the next weir and every little helps aha.
@Membersacc,
i also suggest placing the throwbag further toward the stern, perhaps attached under a bungie cord on the deck plate. having it positioned where you have can make it extremely difficult to get from a capsized canoe.
@Membersacc,
Furthermore, the bag end of the throw bag has been rendered useless by clipping it on. I suggest a bowline on the ropeside which is then clipped in.
In Arizona, a decent tree is so far above the water we need at least a 10 meter Painter to even reach a tree. The water here rises and lowers so much so fast we often need dual painters to keep the boat from drifting away.
I drilled a hole in the bow and ran an eye-bolt for my painter. It doubles as a chain-attachment to keep people from stealing my boats.
I tie my painter to a carabiner for ease of attachment and shove it into an old used water-bottle case which is clipped to the handle.
When I canoe, I paddle an Old Town Pack 12. I also have a series of interlocking dance mats on the bottom from bow to stern and a doggie-deck I made for the bow for my min-pin.
Otherwise I am in an Old Town Dirago-12 kayak or a Perception Carolina 14.6 kayak.
Depends on the situation. Canoes do not do well going upstream nor can they keep up with kayaks.
1st: Air bags are not essential to preforming rescues. They do let the boat sit higher in the water when capsized which is nice in white water where rocks can cause damage to the boat.
2nd: You throw a throw bag. Many throw bags have foam in the bottom and are made of bright coloured fabric, this is so the bag has weight, can be thrown far, floats and is visible to the person it is being thrown to. You do not want to have the bag itself tied to the boat but rather the loose end if anything.
Where can I get a yoke pad like that??? Thanks
Is the bag not the end you throw? If you clip it down...... Mine says fill bag with water quickly and throw to survior!
The canoe I bought came with foam buoyancy bags I’ve never removed them so didn’t realise there’s a D ring underneath, I’ll be sure to check there still glued down, same with the rope I’ve tied it on the grab handle so will be swapping that thanks
@Membersacc,
Even so, an overhand knot greatly reduces the rope's strength far more than a bowline knot. Why knot just use a more appropriate knot.
I like that canoe length and width. Looks very stable. I know it’s a long shot on a response being this is an old upload but what make, model and dimensions are the canoe?
@applefries32
Don't even get me started on cliping. And I know what you mean, every knot has a purpose.
Howdy. Can you tell me where I can find the Float Bags?? Been looking all over the net, and most are too skinny- for kayaks. Where did you find yhorus? What brand boat are you using?
Thanks
Ron Z
I've been on lots of courses with Leo, if you want to learn some stuff, I suggest you book on a course with him.
Thanks!
I don't see holes through the hull. Did you use a tie down kit on the bottom of the gunwale?
oh man, review some river rescue books, none would recommend your set-up. Give people all the information and explain it ALL... or don't post this... likely to end up hurting someone. For instance, why did you clip in to the handle on the throwbag as opposed to tying a knot at the loose end of the rope in the bag? How do you know the handle will hold? I've seen many bags with an overhand knot through a grommet... then the whole system is only as strong as the stitching of the bag.
don't use an overhand not... once tensioned, you'll have a very tough time getting out. that is, if you can. Use a bowline, much better suited knot.
I've always used foam in plastic bin bags
Where id you get the float bags??
that looks like a realy uncomfortable canoe to sit in. the right seat you cant put a backsat on cuz the bag blocks you from doing so and so that bag will end up hitting your back it seems. and the seat on the left you have like no leg room because again the obstruction of the bag. how does this work with it being comfortable?
What brand of canoe is she? An we’re can you get them air blathers, thanks
Well it's a royalex hull, so you can't buy that exact model anymore. Truth is there are tons of great canoe makers, generally of equal quality. People will recommend the boats they've used, but that doesn't mean they are better or not.
IMO it's better to find a boat that a local store can make it easy to get than buying a boat a RUclipsr uses. There's no such thing as a perfect canoe because every decision is a compromise.
I wonder if this older video is why I keep seeing this type of outfitting on British canoes. The guy actually says additional flotation is essential!!! Even though North American first nations who invented the design never needed that flotation. Nor the fur trade designs that succeed them, or in more recent times the decades and decades of Canadian trippers who don't have huge air bladders. Honestly they do more to displace water coming into the boat than offer practically needed flotation. Personally I'll take the extra legroom and a lighter portage thank you. You only see air bladders in whitewater outfitting in Canada and very often not nearly that big either.
MEC in Canada.
really people... all the comments on the throw bag... did you not listen to him... he is using a throw bag for an alternative purpose. bit overall, sorry dude... your outfitting may work for you, but there are a lot of better ways.
hello applefries. you seem to be quite opinionated and the font of all knowledge, possibly because of all the books you have read. id really like to know what experience you have so i can see if its worth bothering explaining / justifying myself too. But just so i dont hurt anyone, for the record you only have part of the information has a taste for the DVD you can purchase which will be released soon kind regards leo (Level 5 canoe + kayak, WWSR national trainer, Rescue3 Int Instructor)
@getafixcoaching Hi bud I watched & I liked. So many comments so few bullets.......Any how I am a beginner at this & looking at getting a canoe soon for fishing. This video gave me "decking out" safety ideas. Thankyou.
@applefries32
Nah I would suggest a figure eight on the bight. That or a butterfly know would suffice.
would never drills holes in my boat for a rope.
APPLEFRIES.. when youve got the experience this lad has, you can make your on video on youtube okay??
until then, i consider your opinion - up the creek, without a paddle
Rule number one don't leave any lose rope in the canoe the you could become tangled in. rule number two if using rope in your canoe always make shore you have a knife easily to hand on your person in case you get in to a mess with any ropes. There are much better videos on youtube People i suggest you look at many videos or better still take lessons.
yes. what I thought as well. Obviously they are trying to sell floats. Why not just wear a life jacket so you can put stuff into the canoe? Silly I think.
Nice video lots of useful information for the week end paddler ,but your following are a bit anal arent they ? maybe its just me that likes to watch a video and notice the person making it as well and not trying to sound smarter than the host .
Anyway im subbed in and see you later !
The airbags are not for floatation. Thats in case he crashes. (like car air bags) Notice how they are in the ENDS of the canoe, where an impact could occur. If they were for floatation he would have put them in the middle.
The airbags are not for impact; they are for displacing water in the event the canoe tips (making it possible to recover the canoe while still in the water) or waves slosh over the side. Most commonly used for whitewater canoeing.
That could possibly be the dumbest thing anyone ever wrote on the internet.
Turn around don't drown 😀
This is a joke right?
why would you stuff your Bow and Stern full of air bags? Modern Canoes float. Even with Gear tied in. Ive never sunk a Canoe in my life! The best safety feature you can have is a very good Personal Flotation Device. Keep close to shore and dress properly. If you are in cold water then get some Neoprene to wear under your cloths, to stop Hypothermia.
I generally agree with you. I think the argument is that it makes a rescue easier, the boat is more buoyant and the bags displace water weight in the flooded hull.
But yeah, just extra crap for most occasions. Only serious whitewater needs them. I'll take the lighter portage and extra leg room.
seriously? airbags? this guy does NOT have a clue. As soon as he said that, I stopped the video.
They're handy for people on a budget but really he should be using foam, was that your point?
@@laggaming127865 well first off it's a royalex so the whole hull has a foam core, so for basic floatation nothing is needed. In Canada you mostly only see airbags on Whitewater and whitewater touring outfitting, and often a splash deck for the whitewater touring. IMO the bag actually does a better job displacing water when flooded giving you a lighter boat to empty. Foam is more durable, but a pain. Modern canoes don't even use foam in their floating, just an air void.
The guy says air bags are "essential" which is just plain false. They take away space, they add weight, and millions of kilometers have been paddled without them.
@@jeremyO9F911O2 Thanks for the info, never had a Roylex and they're few and far between now in my country.
I would still say that flotation solutions are essential for NEW paddlers though... I've spent enough time trying to flip a swamped boat while heading for the next weir and every little helps aha.
@@laggaming127865 royalex is discontinued, but Esquif took up the charge, making T-FORMEX which is very similar to royalex but in theory even better.
@@jeremyO9F911O2 Eyyy nice, I'll look into that but I definitely can't afford it aha...