classic overtrading outside the lanes. keep it simple why encourage a headach. nice lesson.. for any chuckleheads that are thinking about getting aggressive .
Failure teaches us! If you never did that you wouldn’t have known. Try again! Don’t let ego stop you from something great. You figured out the problem, now you can move forward.
the ApexTrade Copier is garbage. Some of my trades would be long and some would be short. I couldn't close my trades when I "FLATTEN" them. They would stay open.
Is this limitation still true with Ninja Trader? I had the same thing happen multiple times in Tradovate last week trading 20 Apex accounts due to API request limit. I'm researching how to best navigate this issue.
Wait can you go over the 30 minute rule in more detail. I also trade Micros using the trade copier. I don’t have 20 accounts yet, but that’s the goal. Does the 30 minute window start from the first trade. Or does it start once you hit 1,000 contracts traded? Maybe once I get 20 accounts might have to move up to the minis
Anthony, Apart from the problem that we are all facing with copier and the rest.just a small 50 Cents tip, If you noticed on the one minute chart, the market had one try, than a second try, than a 3rd try. The 3rd try is a failure already of the second try short. so expect market to move in the opposite direction with the second try long. Since 3rd tries may be become successful, simply do not take 3 attempts on any time frame. either 1,2,5 or even 15. do not believe my words. go back and test it. take only second attmepts short or long and you either make it your way or it is failure. prepare to go in the opposite direction. look at the previous entries short
The real lesson here is to do your "experiments" in sim rather than risking real capital because you might have been able to learn about that trade rule without losing money. Scalping isn't the issue here and it's a good thing that you at least scaled down for it to minimize more damage done to your account. If you are using ninja trader, then are you using rithmic accounts? If so, were you not able to flatten accounts inside Rithmic?
Absolutely good call I agree. I was using Tradovate and I did discover I just had to go login to the tradovate website and use their flatten feature. I didn't know at the time and kept trying to close it on ninja trader.
hey man. Thanks for your reply. Im just not seeing it. I see the positions tab but are you saying i have to wait for an open position ? it worked before and now isnt working at all. NO ATMs are showing up on copied accounts. this is a joke
hi which version of the apex copier were you using? and are you using the new updated apex copier version now? does it have any issues, like follower accounts doubling or reversing, or leader account bracket orders stuck in pending when you try to move? i'm having those issues now...anyway I could fix these copier problems with apex copier?
I have the new updated version now. I haven't found any way to fix the issues you mentioned. It's random essentially. For example, the odd time. When a trade hits my target for a long, it flips my accounts short sometimes still. I'd say one in every 20 trades or so theres some hiccups. But thankfully only one time in over 1000 trades where I couldn't close my positions. Hopefully that one is fixed now.
Totally disagree. You have to experiment to improve. You were actually in a winning trade. So the experiment was going great. You just didnt realize that less octane gas is exponentially more combustable. There were 3 lessons here: 1) don't put on actual capital during the experiments "because ya never know what could happen". 2) Your loss here will save you tons of actual money down the road. As a similar mistake when your accounts were up would have been devasting 3) Your kindness to pass this lesson on will save others and could possibly reward you in Karma down the road. Looks to me like you were using great risk management as well, so don't stop yourself from improving your edge.
I completely agree. That was my biggest lesson. It was too early to risk actual capital on it. Great insights thanks a lot 🙏🏼. I hope everything is going well for you.
You can go to the "positions" tab and go to your leader account that is in the position. Right click on it and click "apply ATM" this will allow you to re apply the ATM to all your positions or any specific position.
@@EGR370 So its glitchy at best. It does work but sometimes the TPS dont quite fill properly in the followers. I always have a leader and 1 follower open on my screens to make sure they close... If not iclick close all. Im used to it but it is very glitchy.
Usually when you right click on the position the "apply ATM" option comes and then theres a dropdown when you hover over it and you can choose which of your ATMs to apply. Then on the ninja trader chart you can drag the stop or target. If you're not able to do that then I'm not fully sure I can help man sorry.
Can you explain how this works? I thought you can only copy the trades on Ninja Trader? Can I still place the trades in Ninja Trader even when the 1000 contracts are already have been placed. For example if I would like to trade 2 trades within 30 minutes each 600 contracts (I know it’s unrealistic) but how would it work?
@@nicoso1977If the accounts were created with tradovate then when you place the trade on ninja trader if you placed 4 trades within 30 minutes , it's possible you wouldnt be able to close the positions until the 30 min window is up. Thats when you have to login to tradovate directly to close out everything. It wont let you close it on ninja trader. That's basically how it would go down.
Agreed, ninja trader and the apex copier is garbage, I’ve had a lot of issues with it and switched to replikanto copier, it’s much better but still has issues once in a while, I don’t think apex and ninja mesh together too well in my opinion, they have a lot of glitches.
Agreed, ninja trader and the apex copier is garbage, I’ve had a lot of issues with it and switched to replikanto copier, it’s much better but still has issues once in a while, I don’t think apex and ninja mesh together too well in my opinion, they have a lot of glitches.
@@anthonypietrobono6178 so when you buy the trade copier does it automatically go on the ninja web or do you need to go on ninja desk top and upload it ?
you can not have your target aftr breaking one low be the next low that has not even happened yet. think about what you just said and showed . Use a real strategy.
Bro how come you have upped your win rate from 75% to 80% from just a few months ago? YOU are lieing to yourself. You are not hurting us you are hurting yourself. Froget the risk of ruin as you are not in compliance.
fuck the M1 bro
Facts.
Sounds like a skill issue
valuable lesson brother! great share man. new week inbound to make it all back!
Had to pin the M1 comment lmao. I knew better but went back to it thinking i had something
classic overtrading outside the lanes. keep it simple why encourage a headach. nice lesson.. for any chuckleheads that are thinking about getting aggressive .
Failure teaches us! If you never did that you wouldn’t have known. Try again! Don’t let ego stop you from something great. You figured out the problem, now you can move forward.
Big facts. We continue forward always. Thank you!
Whoa, scary! Must of felt like being thrown in deep water with your hands tide behind your back. Time to get back to the Plan!
Yeah exactly. Hopeless feeling 100%. Back to the plan.
oh my goodness. Thanks for sharing this!
the ApexTrade Copier is garbage. Some of my trades would be long and some would be short. I couldn't close my trades when I "FLATTEN" them. They would stay open.
Damnn bro. Sorry to see. You'll bounce back.
No worries my man. We move on . We got it!
so up to 1000 contracts- of any size, in a 30 minute period, good to know thank you
Is this limitation still true with Ninja Trader? I had the same thing happen multiple times in Tradovate last week trading 20 Apex accounts due to API request limit. I'm researching how to best navigate this issue.
Wait can you go over the 30 minute rule in more detail. I also trade Micros using the trade copier. I don’t have 20 accounts yet, but that’s the goal. Does the 30 minute window start from the first trade. Or does it start once you hit 1,000 contracts traded? Maybe once I get 20 accounts might have to move up to the minis
I use to attach my own daily loss limit on Rithmic settings. This helps a lot when being on a Tilt or Platforms issues.
That is an absolute game changer.
@@anthonypietrobono6178 Really! Is things currently working on properly?
@@anthonypietrobono6178 Really! Is the copier currently working properly, no issues?
Anthony, Apart from the problem that we are all facing with copier and the rest.just a small 50 Cents tip, If you noticed on the one minute chart, the market had one try, than a second try, than a 3rd try. The 3rd try is a failure already of the second try short. so expect market to move in the opposite direction with the second try long. Since 3rd tries may be become successful, simply do not take 3 attempts on any time frame. either 1,2,5 or even 15. do not believe my words. go back and test it. take only second attmepts short or long and you either make it your way or it is failure. prepare to go in the opposite direction. look at the previous entries short
Good tip. I totally agree. Even when I looked back it looked like a poor entry. Thanks a lot for breaking it down,
The real lesson here is to do your "experiments" in sim rather than risking real capital because you might have been able to learn about that trade rule without losing money. Scalping isn't the issue here and it's a good thing that you at least scaled down for it to minimize more damage done to your account. If you are using ninja trader, then are you using rithmic accounts? If so, were you not able to flatten accounts inside Rithmic?
Absolutely good call I agree. I was using Tradovate and I did discover I just had to go login to the tradovate website and use their flatten feature. I didn't know at the time and kept trying to close it on ninja trader.
Does apex have a demo trail?
Wow, great video I never knew that.
hey man. Thanks for your reply. Im just not seeing it. I see the positions tab but are you saying i have to wait for an open position ? it worked before and now isnt working at all. NO ATMs are showing up on copied accounts. this is a joke
So to be clear you were trading MNQ and not NQ??
You got this!
Thank you !
Ouch that must have been terrifying.
Oooh yeah absolutely.
hi which version of the apex copier were you using? and are you using the new updated apex copier version now? does it have any issues, like follower accounts doubling or reversing, or leader account bracket orders stuck in pending when you try to move? i'm having those issues now...anyway I could fix these copier problems with apex copier?
I have the new updated version now. I haven't found any way to fix the issues you mentioned. It's random essentially. For example, the odd time. When a trade hits my target for a long, it flips my accounts short sometimes still. I'd say one in every 20 trades or so theres some hiccups. But thankfully only one time in over 1000 trades where I couldn't close my positions. Hopefully that one is fixed now.
@@anthonypietrobono6178 When it has this hiccup of flipping the accounts during a trade, can you close them all out.
thats wild
Crazy but we bounce back
thanks for your help!
My pleasure!
What is the point to trade micros and trade more than 10 at once and on multiple accounts?
You can take 1/2 or 1/3 of the position off with micros
Totally disagree. You have to experiment to improve. You were actually in a winning trade. So the experiment was going great. You just didnt realize that less octane gas is exponentially more combustable. There were 3 lessons here: 1) don't put on actual capital during the experiments "because ya never know what could happen". 2) Your loss here will save you tons of actual money down the road. As a similar mistake when your accounts were up would have been devasting 3) Your kindness to pass this lesson on will save others and could possibly reward you in Karma down the road. Looks to me like you were using great risk management as well, so don't stop yourself from improving your edge.
I completely agree. That was my biggest lesson. It was too early to risk actual capital on it.
Great insights thanks a lot 🙏🏼. I hope everything is going well for you.
Hey Anthony. Thanks or the video. I am having another problem with the copier. The ATMs come off out of nowhere on the copied accounts. What do I do?
You can go to the "positions" tab and go to your leader account that is in the position. Right click on it and click "apply ATM" this will allow you to re apply the ATM to all your positions or any specific position.
Would you still recommend the Apex copy trader? Does it copy across accounts evenly?
@@EGR370 So its glitchy at best. It does work but sometimes the TPS dont quite fill properly in the followers. I always have a leader and 1 follower open on my screens to make sure they close... If not iclick close all. Im used to it but it is very glitchy.
Oh ok thank you. I’m using Replikanto and it replicates the trades but not evenly
Use replikanto copier, I’ve had so many issues with apex copier it’s not even funny so had to go buy replikanto
ok I opened a position and saw what you mean but how do you set them? it gave me 3 weird choices. not sure what they are?
Usually when you right click on the position the "apply ATM" option comes and then theres a dropdown when you hover over it and you can choose which of your ATMs to apply. Then on the ninja trader chart you can drag the stop or target. If you're not able to do that then I'm not fully sure I can help man sorry.
Hope you get it resolved though
Hi Anthony, how are you able to copy trade when using an Apple device, which platform to you use to copy trade? Thanks in advance
Hi, the best way to copy using an apple device is by using Tradovate. They have their own free trade copier built in. :)
I personally use Ninjatrader on PC.
Next time close the trades in RTrader
Thanks man. I did learn that after the fact unfortunately. Simple fix, i'll do that next time it happens.
Can you explain how this works? I thought you can only copy the trades on Ninja Trader?
Can I still place the trades in Ninja Trader even when the 1000 contracts are already have been placed.
For example if I would like to trade 2 trades within 30 minutes each 600 contracts (I know it’s unrealistic) but how would it work?
@@nicoso1977If the accounts were created with tradovate then when you place the trade on ninja trader if you placed 4 trades within 30 minutes , it's possible you wouldnt be able to close the positions until the 30 min window is up. Thats when you have to login to tradovate directly to close out everything. It wont let you close it on ninja trader.
That's basically how it would go down.
Agreed, ninja trader and the apex copier is garbage, I’ve had a lot of issues with it and switched to replikanto copier, it’s much better but still has issues once in a while, I don’t think apex and ninja mesh together too well in my opinion, they have a lot of glitches.
Agreed, ninja trader and the apex copier is garbage, I’ve had a lot of issues with it and switched to replikanto copier, it’s much better but still has issues once in a while, I don’t think apex and ninja mesh together too well in my opinion, they have a lot of glitches.
Can you use apex trade copier on the ninja wed platform mate ??
Yeah thats exactly how i use it. Super useful. You can even trade multiple prop firm companies together
@@anthonypietrobono6178 so when you buy the trade copier does it automatically go on the ninja web or do you need to go on ninja desk top and upload it ?
Bro you should test a new strategy on demo-paper trading 🥴
Absolutely! Always 🙏🏼
With an 80% win rate you dont really need much risk management based on only 2 losses and 8 wins. Your numbers do not Jive.
Wow bro
you can not have your target aftr breaking one low be the next low that has not even happened yet. think about what you just said and showed . Use a real strategy.
You just need to have a real strategy 1 to 1 r is not going to work period. 1 % chance is realy about 95% of loosing those accounts.
Bro how come you have upped your win rate from 75% to 80% from just a few months ago? YOU are lieing to yourself. You are not hurting us you are hurting yourself. Froget the risk of ruin as you are not in compliance.
Yeah 100% i agree man. The blown accounts were from human error.