A small correction: I actually found the glitch way back in the early days, maybe around 2002. I was just messing around as a kid and accidentally softlocked myself by doing the warp and getting stuck in the tree upon exiting. I then proceeded to forget about it for several years until SwordlessLink started making a TAS of Ages. I told him about the glitch and he figured out how to replicate it, which is the video used here. Anyway, I'm always in awe about how my dumb childhood antics led to breaking Ages more and more and now even Seasons has fallen. I had hopes that there would be some sort of text warp found in Seasons, but for it to lead to something like this was certainly not on my radar. I had actually not known about this new discovery even though I try to follow Oracles news pretty closely, so thank for making this video! Also, for the title, I say "Royal Flush" because a warp in the toilet led to the King of all glitches being found.
I didn't find your account until after the video was made, that's really crazy; there's a discord for Ages/Seasons speedrunning if you're interested in joining to keep up to date. How did you find the video by the way?
@@Abyssoft It's really even crazier than that. The TAS SwordlessLink was working on had to be almost restarted due to this glitch, since the RNG manipulation in the game is so horrible. In fact, I even ended up killing it totally by telling him about a save warp from Tingle in the present back to Rafton in the past. He got too discouraged about having to redo even more of the game and gave up on the TAS. I am on the Discord server, I just somehow missed everything between "ACE found in Ages" and this lol As for how I found the video, just RUclips recommendations. I watch a lot of speedrun stuff, so it eventually made its way to me.
@@caus909 That's because the unix shell does not return a boolean whether a command was successful - it returns an error code, with 0 meaning everything went right with no error, and anything other than zero indicating some failure, possibly some specific one. E.g. error 1 if the file you pointed the program at doesn't exist, error 2 if you passed in bad arguments, error 129 if the program crashed, and so on.
@@animowany111 yeah I know, you didn't understand my comment and basically said the exact same thing as I said. Don't worry, I know of all of that, I've been a Linux System Administrator for decades
Possibly. I mean, text warping isn't practical in seasons. But maybe someday, by playing oracle of ages with a specific set up, it will be possible in seasons. Who knows though.
@@renakunisaki Well....They're not exactly scams, but they do have false advertising. They do well for bypassing region locking and some other issues, but calling it a security feature is outright lying.
It's very interesting you can write payload data and perform arbitrary code execution via in-game actions, but the moment a separate device or non-parallel runtime is used, it's basically save state hacking. Might as well edit the save with an external program. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome and deserves credit, but I don't think it should be considered as "speedrunning" because that will just end up blurring the lines for what you can do in a speedrun. I hope the community checks themselves around this. If you are able to execute code on the same runtime you're playing on using in-game actions (even if you save and reload / reset), then it's a different story. That's basically the "glitch" category of speedrunning.
I know what you’re saying, but I think you missed the part where they timed both games It’s not like they have an Ages save pre-constructed, then start the timer on Seasons and instantly win… They literally spend over an hour and 45 minutes playing through Ages, then transfer the save data to Seasons
Videos with in video sponsorship should not have RUclips ads on top of that. I know Abyssoft has to make money, but a 1 minute ad for Surfshark followed immediately (as in a second later) by two unskippable ads is ridiculous.
i know this is a relatively older video and this comment will go unseen, and i normally skip the in video ads for stuff, but trying to use a vpn to get cheaper prices on steam can and will get you banned. so if you seriously want a cheaper price you need to make an alt account for each country/ip change, and you most likely will have to remain on that same country/ip when trying to play it as some titles work a bit weird and give you region restricted titles without saying they are (imo all vpns are a scam and have limited practical use for normal people, like viewing content limited to only other countries, which in some cases can get your accounts lost like with steam)
I was just looking to see if someone commented on this. You're basically trying to avoid paying your country's taxes which is part of the reason why there are different prices. I'm pretty sure that's some kind of crime.
Thanks, during the premiere I saw a skip happen around the glitched screen with the ring house, but it's not there after checking again; must have been a hiccup!
Don't let the word "tool" in TAS trick you; a TAS refers to specific type of speedruns that are made by logging inputs to a file and then running them over the game.
@@Abyssoft I mean wasnt there a discussion in the quake 2 speedrun scene where they wanted it to be banned to lock the control stick in a fixed position because it'd count as tool assisted? I remember Karl Jobst mentioning that in one of his Videos.
I may be wrong here as I don't recall that detail, but the old quake games store a log file of the players inputs iirc (maybe that was exclusive to Doom) which is used to play back game play, hence why something like that would be banned
@@RayAkuma The Link Cable isn't like hardware modification or anything, it's a built-in feature of the games. Use of the link cable is one of the possible ways the game is meant to be played. At best it's comparable to Amiibos, but even that's not a very good analogy. There has historically been no opposition to using the link cable (before this was discovered) because it's the fastest way to set up a file for a full "linked" speedrun of the 2 games. (The alternative is entering a randomly generated 20-character password which is slow and dumb.)
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Those are my favorite Zelda games, I'm really happy that people found awesome things like that now
What the actual heck WAS the "Hero Mode", anyway? I swear I've run a dozen strings of games from Ages Seasons Seasons Ages and vice versa but I've noticed virtually zero difference EXCEPT the beginning intro text. Was there suppose to be a hard mode setting that just never got toggled?
at the point we are modifying hardware and software it no longer counts as any sort of skill, you've strayed FAR from the intended and even unintended function of the game and are no longer even PLAYING THE GAME. Save time by being clever without literally changing the game code to make you win faster, pretty sure most would define that as cheating in any other context!
Ok, and how many games could been broken this way? Dragon quest with I think Dr. Mario and Mario Tennis, Super Mario 6 Golden Coins with Pokemon, and also a Zelda Titel on N64. Because this is a longtime existing bug in many of Nintendo's console. I am talking about the stop and swap glitch.
Heh. Link's Awakening doesn't even need the Link Cable to be broken. I have two videos on when I tried to enter a Photo House and the game glitched the F* out.
One thing I missed: Is this being executed on original hardware, or via some emulator? (This probably reflects my ignorance of how TAS runs are usually created.)
TAS is usually created via emulator and verified on hardware if possible. Generally good emulators are similar enough to hardware that most things work both ways; TAS authors generally try to avoid abusing emulator quirks (afaik).
"VPN protects from DDOS" *X to doubt* Sure, they don't know your IP, the data identifying the destination of packets is still there, otherwise VPNs would have no idea to which user it should forward the incoming packets. It is encrypted so the attacker indeed can't see your ip, but it doesn't prevent them from just flooding the VPN gateway with packets directed at the same unknown receiver. Unless the VPN has built-in DDOS protection on top of the encryption, it doesn't protect you from DDOS attacks. Another way to think of it is to think of a PO Box. The sender doesn't know the home address of the receiver, but it doesn't stop them from flooding the PO Box.
With all these debates and so many similar situations I feel like we need two glitch categories. A glitch category and an internal glitch category. The first category can use anything except purpose built software and intentionally written code and the time it takes to modify the game and hardware from its intended state counts as part of the run. Internal glitch only uses stuff you can do without involving other games and modifying hardware
11:47 And here we see the real price of Link's time shenanigans, past and present: a whole new generation of Link having to endure a blue fairy repeatedly, endlessly, telling him to listen.
i think ACE is cool but i am critical about it's use. this one is interesting since normal i would complete scoff using a different game in a speedrun like this, but they are meant to be paired together, and you do have to set up the RCE in the same way you would ACE, i think cart swapping for ace is trash personally, this one i am on the fence about.
I honestly feel like it is getting to that point where, you don't even have to enter combat or anything of that nature, and voila, you are at the end credits. It just doesn't feel like that is really speedrunning anymore at that point.
@@qunt100 when you using games your not even playing to buff some code into your ram, might as well use a game genie at that point. doing it all within the game itself is cool though
I wasn't going to, but I had some DM's complaining that people missed the premiere and then didn't understand what happened to the video so I made another one
Also that’s not a flashing lights warning, a flashing lights warning would mention “flashing lights” within the first few words. That is mere textual garbage.
use the sponsorblock addon, sponsors generally pay out based on other metrics that aren't affected by the addon. its built into youtube vanced for android as well, and newpipe for ios might have it. also, don't gotta be a douche about it my guy.
It's not just that you're rude. You went out of your way to be rude. Coulda kept that one to yourself and moved on but nope. I bet you're fun at parties.
Whoever comes up with the best alternate video titles wins the comment section. I've hearted some of the best already
same title, but without the weird apostrophe in Zelda's
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Cable
That's THE best comment ever! 😂
No point in thinking of other titles. This one takes it.
@@nix207 I liked the legend of zelda: A link to the credits as well. That was a good one to lol.
Link to the credits: How a cable from the past changed the future of speed runs
that one's actually stupid good
A small correction: I actually found the glitch way back in the early days, maybe around 2002. I was just messing around as a kid and accidentally softlocked myself by doing the warp and getting stuck in the tree upon exiting. I then proceeded to forget about it for several years until SwordlessLink started making a TAS of Ages. I told him about the glitch and he figured out how to replicate it, which is the video used here.
Anyway, I'm always in awe about how my dumb childhood antics led to breaking Ages more and more and now even Seasons has fallen. I had hopes that there would be some sort of text warp found in Seasons, but for it to lead to something like this was certainly not on my radar.
I had actually not known about this new discovery even though I try to follow Oracles news pretty closely, so thank for making this video! Also, for the title, I say "Royal Flush" because a warp in the toilet led to the King of all glitches being found.
I didn't find your account until after the video was made, that's really crazy; there's a discord for Ages/Seasons speedrunning if you're interested in joining to keep up to date.
How did you find the video by the way?
@@Abyssoft It's really even crazier than that. The TAS SwordlessLink was working on had to be almost restarted due to this glitch, since the RNG manipulation in the game is so horrible. In fact, I even ended up killing it totally by telling him about a save warp from Tingle in the present back to Rafton in the past. He got too discouraged about having to redo even more of the game and gave up on the TAS.
I am on the Discord server, I just somehow missed everything between "ACE found in Ages" and this lol
As for how I found the video, just RUclips recommendations. I watch a lot of speedrun stuff, so it eventually made its way to me.
@@peteyboo lol
What’s next, using the game boy camera to take a selfie to credit warp?
We're working on it
Oh God... I can't even imagine lol
ACE might as well stand for Accelerated Credits Experience
"because the game's memory is full of roosters..."
I'm glad someone picked up on that joke
Legend of Zelda: A Cable to the Credits
10:01 I thought in a Boolean True is always 1 and False is always 0?
Yeah, he got it backwards.
Yes, you're right, unless in some specific context like Unix shells. But yes, he got it backwards
@@caus909 that got me good the first time - return 0 if everything worked, otherwise something else
@@caus909 That's because the unix shell does not return a boolean whether a command was successful - it returns an error code, with 0 meaning everything went right with no error, and anything other than zero indicating some failure, possibly some specific one. E.g. error 1 if the file you pointed the program at doesn't exist, error 2 if you passed in bad arguments, error 129 if the program crashed, and so on.
@@animowany111 yeah I know, you didn't understand my comment and basically said the exact same thing as I said. Don't worry, I know of all of that, I've been a Linux System Administrator for decades
I think you’re intentionally saying “orc-arina” of time now lol
yeah, don't mock the Canadians, they have it hard enough ;)
I love how these sibling games work together to produce glitches. Maybe one day, these games could produce a really cool glitch exhibition together!
Possibly. I mean, text warping isn't practical in seasons. But maybe someday, by playing oracle of ages with a specific set up, it will be possible in seasons. Who knows though.
Link
Link
Unless gbc is backwards, 1 is true in boolean systems.
1:20 careful, this is against steam TOS and they can ban you
Same for Netflix, I'm pretty sure.
Also all commercial VPNs are scams.
@@renakunisaki Well....They're not exactly scams, but they do have false advertising.
They do well for bypassing region locking and some other issues, but calling it a security feature is outright lying.
Ganon: **Exists**
Link: "No thanks, Bro."
A link between links, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the cable
that's the full title btw not two separate ones
It's very interesting you can write payload data and perform arbitrary code execution via in-game actions, but the moment a separate device or non-parallel runtime is used, it's basically save state hacking. Might as well edit the save with an external program.
Don't get me wrong, it's awesome and deserves credit, but I don't think it should be considered as "speedrunning" because that will just end up blurring the lines for what you can do in a speedrun. I hope the community checks themselves around this.
If you are able to execute code on the same runtime you're playing on using in-game actions (even if you save and reload / reset), then it's a different story. That's basically the "glitch" category of speedrunning.
I know what you’re saying, but I think you missed the part where they timed both games
It’s not like they have an Ages save pre-constructed, then start the timer on Seasons and instantly win…
They literally spend over an hour and 45 minutes playing through Ages, then transfer the save data to Seasons
Videos with in video sponsorship should not have RUclips ads on top of that.
I know Abyssoft has to make money, but a 1 minute ad for Surfshark followed immediately (as in a second later) by two unskippable ads is ridiculous.
Thanks for pointing that out, I thought the only midroll was later in the video, the one you've encountered has been removed.
@@Abyssoft Appreciate the response.
i know this is a relatively older video and this comment will go unseen, and i normally skip the in video ads for stuff, but trying to use a vpn to get cheaper prices on steam can and will get you banned. so if you seriously want a cheaper price you need to make an alt account for each country/ip change, and you most likely will have to remain on that same country/ip when trying to play it as some titles work a bit weird and give you region restricted titles without saying they are
(imo all vpns are a scam and have limited practical use for normal people, like viewing content limited to only other countries, which in some cases can get your accounts lost like with steam)
I was just looking to see if someone commented on this. You're basically trying to avoid paying your country's taxes which is part of the reason why there are different prices. I'm pretty sure that's some kind of crime.
Nvm, there is no skip issue. Just youtube being weird. This was an awesome video!
Thanks, during the premiere I saw a skip happen around the glitched screen with the ring house, but it's not there after checking again; must have been a hiccup!
Man this was a really great video, great production, i enjoyed this a lot
Isnt the link cable technically a tool? Making it a TAS?
Good point. I don't know if this will be allowed in the future od not, but I think that is an interesting point.
Don't let the word "tool" in TAS trick you; a TAS refers to specific type of speedruns that are made by logging inputs to a file and then running them over the game.
@@Abyssoft I mean wasnt there a discussion in the quake 2 speedrun scene where they wanted it to be banned to lock the control stick in a fixed position because it'd count as tool assisted? I remember Karl Jobst mentioning that in one of his Videos.
I may be wrong here as I don't recall that detail, but the old quake games store a log file of the players inputs iirc (maybe that was exclusive to Doom) which is used to play back game play, hence why something like that would be banned
@@RayAkuma The Link Cable isn't like hardware modification or anything, it's a built-in feature of the games. Use of the link cable is one of the possible ways the game is meant to be played. At best it's comparable to Amiibos, but even that's not a very good analogy. There has historically been no opposition to using the link cable (before this was discovered) because it's the fastest way to set up a file for a full "linked" speedrun of the 2 games. (The alternative is entering a randomly generated 20-character password which is slow and dumb.)
Those are my favorite Zelda games, I'm really happy that people found awesome things like that now
Link of Zelda: Cable to the Legend
What the actual heck WAS the "Hero Mode", anyway? I swear I've run a dozen strings of games from Ages Seasons Seasons Ages and vice versa but I've noticed virtually zero difference EXCEPT the beginning intro text. Was there suppose to be a hard mode setting that just never got toggled?
It just starts you off with four hearts in the first game you play, and unlocks the Hero's Ring showing that you beat Ganon.
Two Zelda games = Two Premiers
easily in my top 5 of zelda games, thanks for covering such an awesome topic
at the point we are modifying hardware and software it no longer counts as any sort of skill, you've strayed FAR from the intended and even unintended function of the game and are no longer even PLAYING THE GAME. Save time by being clever without literally changing the game code to make you win faster, pretty sure most would define that as cheating in any other context!
Great explanation! Thanks for uploading!
Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Carts
Link used to break Link
"Speedrunners HACK the Gameboy Zelda is With The LINK Cable!"
anyway...
Hehe a "Link" cable
🤣 touché
"nothing is off the table to save time", well remember how "look down and haul ass" seriously split the Golden Eye community?
Ok, and how many games could been broken this way? Dragon quest with I think Dr. Mario and Mario Tennis, Super Mario 6 Golden Coins with Pokemon, and also a Zelda Titel on N64. Because this is a longtime existing bug in many of Nintendo's console. I am talking about the stop and swap glitch.
I've made two videos on Stop n Swop, this is about a hardware vulnerability that's unique to the Oracle games
Heh. Link's Awakening doesn't even need the Link Cable to be broken. I have two videos on when I tried to enter a Photo House and the game glitched the F* out.
Should call the glitch ACE of Cables.
I feel like the idea of speed running a game is ruined when you start using external methods to modify the game.
One thing I missed: Is this being executed on original hardware, or via some emulator? (This probably reflects my ignorance of how TAS runs are usually created.)
This was done on real hardware.
Edited this from my original comment since Drenn corrected me below.
TAS is usually created via emulator and verified on hardware if possible. Generally good emulators are similar enough to hardware that most things work both ways; TAS authors generally try to avoid abusing emulator quirks (afaik).
This was done in an RTA speedrun, on real hardware.
"VPN protects from DDOS" *X to doubt* Sure, they don't know your IP, the data identifying the destination of packets is still there, otherwise VPNs would have no idea to which user it should forward the incoming packets. It is encrypted so the attacker indeed can't see your ip, but it doesn't prevent them from just flooding the VPN gateway with packets directed at the same unknown receiver. Unless the VPN has built-in DDOS protection on top of the encryption, it doesn't protect you from DDOS attacks.
Another way to think of it is to think of a PO Box. The sender doesn't know the home address of the receiver, but it doesn't stop them from flooding the PO Box.
vpn companies love to lie about their products. go after the companies, not after the youtuber reading the script they were handed
Very impressive but my question is who in the hell has the time to figure this s*** out?
I thought the paper mario video was an april fool's joke due to its release date.
The thumbnail has original Game Boys with one connected on the wrong side...
How The Ocarina Unintentionally Broke Reality Within The Oracle
My turn! Legend of Cable: Link to the Credits
Does this mean we have a game swapping revolution on our hands?
Eggs
No toast is better
Typical boolean data structures use 0 for false and 1 for true.
"starting windows on linux using minecraft #01"
Truly, thinking outside the Box.
How Link Speed Ran using Links cables
With all these debates and so many similar situations I feel like we need two glitch categories. A glitch category and an internal glitch category. The first category can use anything except purpose built software and intentionally written code and the time it takes to modify the game and hardware from its intended state counts as part of the run. Internal glitch only uses stuff you can do without involving other games and modifying hardware
Can you upload more :)
Every two weeks until I'm full time!
How the Cable Broke the World
11:47 And here we see the real price of Link's time shenanigans, past and present: a whole new generation of Link having to endure a blue fairy repeatedly, endlessly, telling him to listen.
Legend of Zelda: Two Links One Cable
I dont think the developers care if decades later people were beating the game in unintended ways
Good video :)
6:25 Ah I see a fine Wine
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link Cable
The Ora-cable of secrets? The Ora-cable of speed? Hmmmm
i think ACE is cool but i am critical about it's use. this one is interesting since normal i would complete scoff using a different game in a speedrun like this, but they are meant to be paired together, and you do have to set up the RCE in the same way you would ACE, i think cart swapping for ace is trash personally, this one i am on the fence about.
I honestly feel like it is getting to that point where, you don't even have to enter combat or anything of that nature, and voila, you are at the end credits. It just doesn't feel like that is really speedrunning anymore at that point.
@@qunt100 when you using games your not even playing to buff some code into your ram, might as well use a game genie at that point. doing it all within the game itself is cool though
Fried RCE
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Credits
The legend of cables: links speed run of hyrule
How speedrunners broke zelda with a map
Yes! I made it in time for the premiere! Just need my popcorn now
Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Speeding
Sans Shovel
Pog
Link cable helps teleport Link to the credits
Oracle of ages compared to oracle of season is hard.
They focus on two different things.
I am just hoping that more glitches get discovered in oracle of seasons though. Ages seems to be more broken than seasons is.
I thought you said it wasn’t premiering again?
I wasn't going to, but I had some DM's complaining that people missed the premiere and then didn't understand what happened to the video so I made another one
@@Abyssoft just out of pure curiousity, what was the issue? was it some editing mishap or accidental uncleared music?
@@raafmaat an edit that I needed to fix with clashing images
2:00 ;)
I like, and even use, your sponsor. But it isn’t a shield against what you claim it is. Try doing some more _honest_ advertising next time.
Also that’s not a flashing lights warning, a flashing lights warning would mention “flashing lights” within the first few words. That is mere textual garbage.
The poor man's Summoning Salt delivers again!
that is meant as a compliment ;)
Sorry, have to thumbs down any video with sponsor content not at the end of video. I know they pay you more, but that means you don't need my support.
Ewww
That's a pretty poor attitude to have. "1 minute of Skipable ad......done with this content creator"
You could skip the ad in less time than this comment took you to type.
use the sponsorblock addon, sponsors generally pay out based on other metrics that aren't affected by the addon. its built into youtube vanced for android as well, and newpipe for ios might have it.
also, don't gotta be a douche about it my guy.
It's not just that you're rude. You went out of your way to be rude. Coulda kept that one to yourself and moved on but nope. I bet you're fun at parties.
Oracle the best 2D Zelda's. Prove me wrong😎