Young st you are right. Joo Sae Hyuk that Tournament was just supreme, the only reason he didnt beat Schlage(who was also amazing that tournament) in the finals was because Schlagers main training partner was Chen Weixing a defender in my opinion
@@Goriaas He lost to Matsushita many times.Ma Lin wasn't really dominant against choppers,his spinny loop didn't cut it he had to either loop kill the ball or hit a touch shot but he would get into trouble if the defender attacked his push.
Penholder can eat a chopper alive. Their grip gives them a huge advantage against choppers. Watch Xu Xin luftig the ball so effortless until the right ball comes which he can kill with force and crazy angles.
Since when Ma Long sets the benchmark against choppers?He has lost several times to JSH.Waldner is probably the best player against choppers.He blew JSH off the court in 2003 despite coming from a 7-month hiatus after ankle surgery.
XuXin played a perfect game. His forehand is incredible. He can spin every ball with highest quality. I haven´t seen a player who is so good in touch with the ball. I mean you even can hear how good he is in touch with the ball when you turn up the volume a little. And BTW I like Joo very much and he did not play bad at all but he had no chance. I see no other player in the world who could do to Joo what XX did.
I think maybe joo had difficulty adjusting to the xu xin being left handed. Since in the long rallies he would start chopping and moving xu towards xu's backhand area (left side of the table for joo), but since xu was still using his forehand it ended up opening up xu's angle of attack. If joo was doing the same postisioning strategy (hitting to the left side of the table for joo) against a righthander it would close off their angle of attack rather than open it up. Just an idea though.
xu xin specialty are the big forehand loops which he does from mid-distance so he has time to use them. chops allow him to use these so close to the table and with comfortable amount of time, joo really had a bad matchup.
I wonder how Xu Xin would fare against a left handed Chopper? Would he have the same difficulty as right handed players have against Joo Se Hyuk? I think that Xu Xin performed extremely well against Joo Se Hyuk coz he's a left hand player. What are your thoughts?
Xu Xin has an incredibly fantastic skill to play against table tennis chopping player that his opponent hardly has any chance to win in the match even like Joo Se Hyuk…
@IIkingdomII I think Malin did it better, but I don't wish to see him in 2012 Olympics again. The reason they did it better than Zhang/MaLong I believe lies in that they have more variations in their games. Malin has all sorts of variation in term of length/spin/rhythm etc, and XX here has pretty much intentional rhythmic/spin variations too.
@IIkingdomII That doesn't mean he can always do that...remember Zhang destroyed Joo in ITTF pro tour final then lost to him 0:4 in Hungary. If you are not 200% prepared everytime, Joo will easily give you a huge surprise...
The World #1 Forehand is Xu Xin. His forehand is a few notches higher than even the World #1 Ma Long. If XX has a better backhand, he will be superior to anyone in the world. If everyone has Xu Xin's forehand, chopper style will not exist, because it is simply so slow that the forehand looper t will take time using only forehand to slaughter a chopper.
sorry he might not like xu xin because it is a bad matchup and it takes away his chances for the gold, but im sure he deeply respects xu xin as a player, he knows that his playstyle has flaws and xu knows exactly how to take advantage of those flaws. Xu Xin played perfectly and Joo excepts that he will lose if the opponent plays perfectly. A defender just stands no chance since they depend on the opponents mistakes, if the opponent makes no mistakes he will lose. You see him nod and shake XX's hand at the end, they all deeply respect each others game
It's only because he does it suddenly. If he'll do it more often, his opponent would get used to it and then Joo has no chances (neither his equipment or his skill in offensive game can match his opponents unless Joo plays a defender). I don't mean Joo has poor skills in offense, but if, say, he spends 50% of time practicing loop and block while his opponent (same level player) spends 90% on that, Joo has no chances.
@chengqu1964 I like XX's forehand loop a lot more than ZJK's too (not to mention Malong's; ZJK has overall better fh loop than Malong). But the problem with XX is that he imitated shakehand's style much more than he should. His forehand loop is weaker (than top notch fh players) when it comes to looping topspin. He has a very hard time playing against ZJK when it comes to forehand because ZJK's forehand loop has more strength (spin). Not only that, his backhand also can't be as good.
ну как же можно было такого слабого игрока выпустить в профессиональную лигу? он даже не может мяч нормально ударить. половина мячей летели в судью другая половина в опонента. зачем издеваться над беспомощным человеком? в этом нет никакого смысла. любители должны выступать в любительской лиге пока не наберут опыта чтобы двигаться выше
No way ZJK as a better forehand loop than MaLong. Ma long FH loop is better as first big loop as well as better in counterloop. ZJK as to force his loop to make is powerfull, Ma long FH loop is naturally strong. U just have to look : ZJK as various gestures for his FH, larger, shorter...ect.....Ma Long FH loop is always the averall same gestures. MA long can loop easy over the table, ZJK can not do it easy. Both are players to emulate BTW and both are fantastics.
Xu is the nightmare of any chopper!
***** Ma Lin also never lost to a defender in his career. the penhold forehand just beats it...
Goriaas Actually, in 2003 WTTC he lost to Joo Sae-hyuk.
Young st you are right. Joo Sae Hyuk that Tournament was just supreme, the only reason he didnt beat Schlage(who was also amazing that tournament) in the finals was because Schlagers main training partner was Chen Weixing a defender in my opinion
@@Goriaas He lost to Matsushita many times.Ma Lin wasn't really dominant against choppers,his spinny loop didn't cut it he had to either loop kill the ball or hit a touch shot but he would get into trouble if the defender attacked his push.
I dont think i ever seen anyone taking down Joo so easily! Not even Ma Long
Mr.Moody Ryu Seung Min used to do it even easier, maybe because they're tem mates and knew each other strategys, watch some games!
Penholder can eat a chopper alive.
Their grip gives them a huge advantage against choppers.
Watch Xu Xin luftig the ball so effortless until the right ball comes which he can kill with force and crazy angles.
Xu have best forehand of the world.
You should what how Ma Lin did this before
Since when Ma Long sets the benchmark against choppers?He has lost several times to JSH.Waldner is probably the best player against choppers.He blew JSH off the court in 2003 despite coming from a 7-month hiatus after ankle surgery.
Good work mate,thanks for all great matches!;)
XX eating chopper for breakfast as usual.
as much as Joo got destroyed by Xu Xin, I was pleased to see Joo acknowledged his defeat with a nod and respect his opponent with a good handshake
just stare at the umpires, they look so funny.. with their heads moving the same way
Great match,great highlight !
Best camera angle..
XuXin played a perfect game. His forehand is incredible. He can spin every ball with highest quality. I haven´t seen a player who is so good in touch with the ball. I mean you even can hear how good he is in touch with the ball when you turn up the volume a little.
And BTW
I like Joo very much and he did not play bad at all but he had no chance. I see no other player in the world who could do to Joo what XX did.
OMG! XX Forhand is sooooooo NICE!
I think maybe joo had difficulty adjusting to the xu xin being left handed. Since in the long rallies he would start chopping and moving xu towards xu's backhand area (left side of the table for joo), but since xu was still using his forehand it ended up opening up xu's angle of attack. If joo was doing the same postisioning strategy (hitting to the left side of the table for joo) against a righthander it would close off their angle of attack rather than open it up. Just an idea though.
damn the defender strategies are so involved i need to learn in game tactics to a level like that
@GecaPhoenix Thank you mate! :-)
xu xin specialty are the big forehand loops which he does from mid-distance so he has time to use them. chops allow him to use these so close to the table and with comfortable amount of time, joo really had a bad matchup.
Xu Xin, for me it's a legend of table tennis, great top, great style and smart game !
He's a legend of table tennis, period.
@Pengkui agree. XX excels in this kind of slow pace game.
It is a great pity that ittf doesn't use HD cameras !
Xu Xin was amazing !!!
xu xin's dad is a chopper so xx knows how to handle this style
@IIkingdomII I agree. those huge forehand strokes Xu Xin uses make short work of any backspin shot that comes his way
amazing
xu xin is so strong, powerful and solid.
许昕的策略是中路拉高吊控制住,然后两个大角一两板内直接冲死。朱世赫的确没有什么办法。跟马龙和张继科比,许昕正手弧圈引拍更大,所以冲下旋球时摩擦时间更长,威力更大。
Xu shows us how to play Joo.
trop de power, trop fort ce jour-là, Xu Xin...
@Gamawarrior No problem Gamawarrior!
I wonder how Xu Xin would fare against a left handed Chopper? Would he have the same difficulty as right handed players have against Joo Se Hyuk? I think that Xu Xin performed extremely well against Joo Se Hyuk coz he's a left hand player. What are your thoughts?
There has never been a lefty chopper in the history of the game.
joo should do what he did at the end of the 4th game more often. no one expects him to backhand block. he almost always wins those points
Xu Xin has an incredibly fantastic skill to play against table tennis chopping player that his opponent hardly has any chance to win in the match even like Joo Se Hyuk…
Never seen this demolishing advantage against any top player
Когда видишь игру такого игрока, как Су Синь, понимаешь, что скорость в настольном теннисе ещё ой как долго придётся замедлять...)))
Xu Xin - his forhand is not normal.
Интересно, почему Су Син почти все подачи забрасывает за боковую кромку стола и судьи его не наказывают ?
Hey ZJK, that's how we play a chopper. Tremendous ball felling by XX.
看许昕打削球很简单,如痴如花
Lol Joo hitting the Umpire. At 2:29
@IIkingdomII I think Malin did it better, but I don't wish to see him in 2012 Olympics again. The reason they did it better than Zhang/MaLong I believe lies in that they have more variations in their games. Malin has all sorts of variation in term of length/spin/rhythm etc, and XX here has pretty much intentional rhythmic/spin variations too.
個人的にカット打ち世界最強
It's hard to win penholder with pimple.
Ma Lin and Wang Hao disagree in WTTC 2003 ;)
@IIkingdomII That doesn't mean he can always do that...remember Zhang destroyed Joo in ITTF pro tour final then lost to him 0:4 in Hungary. If you are not 200% prepared everytime, Joo will easily give you a huge surprise...
2:30 hits the umpire! :P
The World #1 Forehand is Xu Xin. His forehand is a few notches higher than even the World #1 Ma Long. If XX has a better backhand, he will be superior to anyone in the world.
If everyone has Xu Xin's forehand, chopper style will not exist, because it is simply so slow that the forehand looper t will take time using only forehand to slaughter a chopper.
The backspin seems like never exist when facing Xu Xin
Xu Xin forehand is so so so POWERFUL!!
Joo does not like Xu Xin at all.
sorry he might not like xu xin because it is a bad matchup and it takes away his chances for the gold, but im sure he deeply respects xu xin as a player, he knows that his playstyle has flaws and xu knows exactly how to take advantage of those flaws. Xu Xin played perfectly and Joo excepts that he will lose if the opponent plays perfectly. A defender just stands no chance since they depend on the opponents mistakes, if the opponent makes no mistakes he will lose. You see him nod and shake XX's hand at the end, they all deeply respect each others game
what is the top rated commentator saying? :-(
He is Chopper killer
彭兄专业人士啊
those long arms to reach over the table... Joo didn't have a chance
It's only because he does it suddenly. If he'll do it more often, his opponent would get used to it and then Joo has no chances (neither his equipment or his skill in offensive game can match his opponents unless Joo plays a defender). I don't mean Joo has poor skills in offense, but if, say, he spends 50% of time practicing loop and block while his opponent (same level player) spends 90% on that, Joo has no chances.
@chengqu1964 I like XX's forehand loop a lot more than ZJK's too (not to mention Malong's; ZJK has overall better fh loop than Malong). But the problem with XX is that he imitated shakehand's style much more than he should. His forehand loop is weaker (than top notch fh players) when it comes to looping topspin. He has a very hard time playing against ZJK when it comes to forehand because ZJK's forehand loop has more strength (spin). Not only that, his backhand also can't be as good.
很轻松啊, 完全没有抵抗的能力
摩擦,摁在地上摩擦
shit..Xu is frigging good against the defence...
XX is too good in this game. Ma Long couldn't do what he did.
yeah you can see ma lins bunny hops his movement just isnt as calibrated and perfected as XX, just a perfect example of a penhold player.
defenders have no chance against xu xin.jux observe all results between choppers vs xu xin.
at 2:30 joo se hyuk's ball hit the referee
Xu Xin has a good smash ( Ma Long don,t have )
Did those people who thumbed up really knew what you were saying?
@g4mbl4er
defender?
I don't think he regrets it haha.
he got destroyed
Is it because of the angle of view or Joo's forehand is extremely powerful???!!!
it is always super powerful when joo attacks it is superb
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到最後朱世赫根本不想打...
ну как же можно было такого слабого игрока выпустить в профессиональную лигу? он даже не может мяч нормально ударить. половина мячей летели в судью другая половина в опонента. зачем издеваться над беспомощным человеком? в этом нет никакого смысла. любители должны выступать в любительской лиге пока не наберут опыта чтобы двигаться выше
2:28 - lol
3.20 I see the right umpire . 555
No way ZJK as a better forehand loop than MaLong. Ma long FH loop is better as first big loop as well as better in counterloop. ZJK as to force his loop to make is powerfull, Ma long FH loop is naturally strong. U just have to look : ZJK as various gestures for his FH, larger, shorter...ect.....Ma Long FH loop is always the averall same gestures.
MA long can loop easy over the table, ZJK can not do it easy. Both are players to emulate BTW and both are fantastics.
Joo forehand isn't good enough.If his forehand is good like Wang Liqin he will be a top
I know that Joo Se Hyuk regret that he became a deffare [My english is not good]
Joo never beat anyone in his life.