Very interesting to see these two play each other! In 2003 Waldner was 38 yrs old, Joo was 23, and had not yet honed his skills. I think today's 36-yr-old Joo would do much better against 38-yr-old Waldner. They are both very wily players, but with completely different styles.
If you have the touch and can read the spin well. Yet I believe Joo would have chance in his WC-shape, he was on fire there. Joo also didn't have his FH chop developed, he preferred to loop/fish from FH side, and experimented more with twiddling his racket.
@@Hallelujjaa91 He did lose vs Matsushita at least once, I believe. And he did also lose to some Chinese or Korean pips defenders early in his career. He's still a human after all :)
Waldner consequently placed his pushes to Joos wide backhandside. Also he varied his loop with slow spinny strokes and suddenly speedy ones, often with sidespin. He knew how to easily beat the runner up in 2003's world championships. A genius.
In 2003, Joo had already won 1st runner-up in World Championship, and reached his first summit. But, Waldner is very good at playing against chopper, totally destroying Joo's defensive wall.
Gracias Waldner, eres el mejor deportista que he visto de todas las disciplinas, posees un hermoso juego en la mesa, además de ser un noble caballero y ejemplo de profesional que disfruta el deporte como corresponde!!
Waldner didn’t have the best foot work in the world, the best serves in the world, the biggest shots in the world but nobody could read the game like him! Very clever player.
That's nonsense,he did have exceptional footwork in his prime and his serves were second only to Liu Guoliang. Reading the game is overrated otherwise Samsonov would have been a World Champion.Waldner's overall technique was way ahead of his time.
@@dickn.ormous1064 at no point did I say he had bad footwork or serves. But there were players with better footwork. Samsonov has a very controlled game but doesn't have the variation of Waldner. You're fundermentally wrong about reading the game, look how little he moves his feet compared to who he's playing because of the way he controls the point. Desmond Douglas was similar in that respect.
@@nathantaylor4812Waldner did have the second best serve of all time-actually against lefthanders it was the best ever- and his forehand close to the table was immaculate. Samsonov had arguably a better bh than Waldner so he had to move even less than Waldner who was mostly a fh dominant player. Reading the game is useless without weapons and Waldner had many. Compared to his peers he had the most all rounded technique.
@@dickn.ormous1064Very true. While his forehand was to a great extent about variety his forehand drive was nonetheless very powerful. From round 1986 up to 1990 his forehand was as to power the best in the world. Then from 1990 up to 1998 probably the third best after Gatien and Kim Taek-soo. (I wouldn’t include in the comparison second-ball bashers like Liu Guoliang whose flat drive is a completely different shot.) Then even during the Wang Liqin era the chinese remarked (in an interview I can’t find anymore) that Waldner’s stroke is bound to make you ”uncomfortable”. It would not be awfully wrong to argue that he was a power player, at least when it comes to the forehand opening drive.
@@oivaristimaki677Kim Taek Soo had a better forehand from mid distance but Waldner rarely had to move to mid distance. I don't think Gatien had a better forehand,he run around more but Waldner had more margin. I would say it's the best close to the table forehand ever the only thing he lacked was the flip but even flip specialists like Saive missed alot and he compensated with his sidespin pushes.His movement to the wide forehand and his defense was also exceptional. In the 2004 Olympics he hit as hard on the forehand as anyone and only his movement let him down.
now, Joo could have the skills to win against Waldner! Joo was so young and without experience at that time against worlds cleverest player of all time! regards!
Good "touch" improves as you age. But the power and agility of your feet to position yourself decreases. Is what I think. I'm thinking this is what happens as I look at older players in videos and when I play against older players.Give the current waldner or any "old to older" TT player now their old legs and they'll be gods.
Joo Se-hyuk’s forehand opening is too predictable. Time and again Waldner is able to redirect with a forehand block down the line. From there on there’s no way for Joo to continue the attact. It is also remarkable how many free points and easy openings Waldner gets on his serve when you consider the defender mentality that Joo has on the return. Crazy to think that Joo reached the wttc final the same year. Waldner really had a feel for playing defenders.
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Very interesting to see these two play each other!
In 2003 Waldner was 38 yrs old, Joo was 23, and had not yet honed his skills.
I think today's 36-yr-old Joo would do much better against 38-yr-old Waldner. They are both very wily players, but with completely different styles.
actually joo was runner of the 2003 world championships so I think that this just shows if you have touch no defender can defeat you
If you have the touch and can read the spin well. Yet I believe Joo would have chance in his WC-shape, he was on fire there. Joo also didn't have his FH chop developed, he preferred to loop/fish from FH side, and experimented more with twiddling his racket.
If the play now, Joo Se Hyuk will lose much more easily. The new ball makes defence obsolete.
Have never seen JOW lose against a chopper.
@@Hallelujjaa91 He did lose vs Matsushita at least once, I believe. And he did also lose to some Chinese or Korean pips defenders early in his career. He's still a human after all :)
Waldner consequently placed his pushes to Joos wide backhandside. Also he varied his loop with slow spinny strokes and suddenly speedy ones, often with sidespin. He knew how to easily beat the runner up in 2003's world championships. A genius.
8:29 what an elegant return! He is not a normal player... He is a TT artist.
In 2003, Joo had already won 1st runner-up in World Championship, and reached his first summit. But, Waldner is very good at playing against chopper, totally destroying Joo's defensive wall.
Gracias Waldner, eres el mejor deportista que he visto de todas las disciplinas, posees un hermoso juego en la mesa, además de ser un noble caballero y ejemplo de profesional que disfruta el deporte como corresponde!!
Waldner plays in a such clever way against defensor, beautiful !
Waldner didn’t have the best foot work in the world, the best serves in the world, the biggest shots in the world but nobody could read the game like him! Very clever player.
That's nonsense,he did have exceptional footwork in his prime and his serves were second only to Liu Guoliang.
Reading the game is overrated otherwise Samsonov would have been a World Champion.Waldner's overall technique was way ahead of his time.
@@dickn.ormous1064 at no point did I say he had bad footwork or serves. But there were players with better footwork. Samsonov has a very controlled game but doesn't have the variation of Waldner. You're fundermentally wrong about reading the game, look how little he moves his feet compared to who he's playing because of the way he controls the point. Desmond Douglas was similar in that respect.
@@nathantaylor4812Waldner did have the second best serve of all time-actually against lefthanders it was the best ever- and his forehand close to the table was immaculate.
Samsonov had arguably a better bh than Waldner so he had to move even less than Waldner who was mostly a fh dominant player.
Reading the game is useless without weapons and Waldner had many.
Compared to his peers he had the most all rounded technique.
@@dickn.ormous1064Very true. While his forehand was to a great extent about variety his forehand drive was nonetheless very powerful. From round 1986 up to 1990 his forehand was as to power the best in the world. Then from 1990 up to 1998 probably the third best after Gatien and Kim Taek-soo. (I wouldn’t include in the comparison second-ball bashers like Liu Guoliang whose flat drive is a completely different shot.) Then even during the Wang Liqin era the chinese remarked (in an interview I can’t find anymore) that Waldner’s stroke is bound to make you ”uncomfortable”. It would not be awfully wrong to argue that he was a power player, at least when it comes to the forehand opening drive.
@@oivaristimaki677Kim Taek Soo had a better forehand from mid distance but Waldner rarely had to move to mid distance.
I don't think Gatien had a better forehand,he run around more but Waldner had more margin.
I would say it's the best close to the table forehand ever the only thing he lacked was the flip but even flip specialists like Saive missed alot and he compensated with his sidespin pushes.His movement to the wide forehand and his defense was also exceptional.
In the 2004 Olympics he hit as hard on the forehand as anyone and only his movement let him down.
Waldner was the only one who could do this to Joo; fabulous touch of the ball
With JOWs technical skills and versatility a chopper like joo se hyuk will never have a chance.
now, Joo could have the skills to win against Waldner! Joo was so young and without experience at that time against worlds cleverest player of all time! regards!
@@mehmeteden2280 Nonsense. Joo was runner up in the 2003 WC singles.
Good "touch" improves as you age. But the power and agility of your feet to position yourself decreases. Is what I think. I'm thinking this is what happens as I look at older players in videos and when I play against older players.Give the current waldner or any "old to older" TT player now their old legs and they'll be gods.
Waldner plays in this match completly without Spin. Joo can't work with his pimples and defense.
in same year ，Malin was defeated by Joo in wttc , no control or tactics change . Ma has no changes comparing with Waldner
You cant compare like that ha ha
Я так понл, что± на конце - это по ихнему Валднер
1:31 How can Waldner can play this ball with almost no rebound and with the back of his hand O_O
And on top of that, it's a perfect winner...
How? Because he's the GOAT ;)
@mj y yes he did
Thats is all about JO...
Thats why he is the greatest ever...
Ball feeling and magic touch like nobody else in the world
I thought he said the ball touched his wrist. Did it not ?
The forehands of waldner are ferocious.
Poor quality vid shame.
Joo Se-hyuk’s forehand opening is too predictable. Time and again Waldner is able to redirect with a forehand block down the line. From there on there’s no way for Joo to continue the attact. It is also remarkable how many free points and easy openings Waldner gets on his serve when you consider the defender mentality that Joo has on the return.
Crazy to think that Joo reached the wttc final the same year. Waldner really had a feel for playing defenders.
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What a cheater and snake game by Waldner.