I feel this is great communication already from the Developers - I think the system sounds good, but it needs more Quality of Life Tweaks then to actually be fun for most players who feel it is daunting at the moment. What do you think?
I don’t think my thoughts have been swayed. Players who play a lot should be potentially over leveled for new content, and of course newer players should have to do older content before doing newer content.
What would help the game alot was if these new combat professions had different fighting animations. It would help players assume there is a difference between them.
Combat role specific skills are coming. I think Andrew may have just underestimated how needed they were immediately to help sell his "breadth and depth" system. So many people would feel better if scout had a different unique ability. He also should have added a tutorial upon leaving hopeport to attune a Hopeport weapon to Hopeforest to help explain that mechanic and give players an easier entry into Epidode 2
their explanation imo makes a lot of sense and solves an issue i have with most mmos. There are definitely issues but i adore how combat works personally and their communication. I think it would feel better if there was higher level global unlocks and each combat class felt more distinct. the fact they are planning leaderboards for each episode i think is cool af
The sooner professions have complex interconnectivity (like gathering in Hopewood for alchemy, chopping and cutting weapon parts in hopewood for smithing) is introduced the sooner the skills will feel lile they matter. The big issue for me is mainly the extremely specific locations for things like cooking, alchemy, and fishing - there should be more places to brew potions, cook, fish, etc than one building in one town. Also the different combat skills NEED to feel distinguished. Currently Guard and Scout are identical in terms of gameplay, one just unlocks later. That feels bad - give me more arrows or different weapons and armor or enemies with mechanics.
i think the solution is to make Guard skill the "Defence" of the game and Scout the "Ranged Archer" skill that can be used in any act, instead of just tieing it into one episode. With Fishing, make fishing spots for different regions fish, same for mining. Combine Gathering and Forager, it's literally the same thing, there's no reason to have them separate, whenever you gather anything for potions, just make it "Gathering" that's it . there is no overlap in skills to different episodes currently, atleast not enough so it would matter :( i hate starting from zero every episode
Id also be happy to see unique bosses that make cooking useful. Such as must eat a certain type of meal to make you able to fight a certain boss. Like combining slayer ,cooking and fishing into one would give all brighter shores skills purpose.
I'm just gonna write a list of things i'd love to see: 1) An auto select armour/weapons option; so the game will automatically equip armour for hopeport when in hopeport, armour for hopeforest when in hopeforest ect ect, this would make people feel less like previous armour is useless, or just find it a hastle to switch. 2) Changing the name from episodes to zone, stage or something else, this will make people feel less like they are loosing progress. 3) Different animations depending on which zone you are in, specifically attack animations. This makes it feel like the skills are actually different. 4) Click minimap to move, idk, i just think it would be useful. 5) Really just anything that makes 'episodes' feel unique and different.
Great news for you! 1) - you can do this with the Quartermaster Spell already! 2) - they are thinking about it 4) - This literally JUST got patched in, you can do it!
I still don’t like idea of skills being locked to one place. It just seems lazy way to do it. I feel ep1 was very fun but very limited in scope and once I got ep2 just felt well not so good. I think I am just going to wait for osrs hd client update and start playing osrs. I feel like episode crap is just there so Andrew can say “see we are not RuneScape” at the costs of gameplay and ruins the game in general. I think the game needs another 3 more years before it’s playable.
I love this game. I'm going to go premium for it. It's good to feel the "I want to play this game now" feeling again. I've missed that over the past few years. Sure, there's some frustrations - Inventory storage/bank situation - but it is early in this game.
I agree with it not being clear on how the episodes work together. And when you progress the quests all you saw was 50+ stat requirements which is daunting I think the side quests could have been spread out across the areas to keep pushing people into the new episodes but episode one and two needed to have something that connects the skilling together because those are the only two free to play episodes at the moment
Tip: Keep your untuned Guard weapons from Hopeport. Take it to the Obelisk in Hopeforest. They stay scaled at the Guard level they are, still requiring Guard to equip but you'll be able to use it to level Scout in Hopeforest. I think the crafting untuned gear in Act 3 needs to be moved into Act 1, perhaps as an extenstion or prelude to The Obelisk quest. Once you can pick and choose your gear from the skill you've leveled, you are taking your skills and weapons from different acts into others and your old skill still feels useful as you level the new combat skill. Alternatively, players need to told or made to feel like the Main Quest is, unlike other games, is meant to be done first. The early Main Quest unlocking the first 3 episodes should be called 'Prelude' or 'Tutorial Quest' to show that it's a priority and not the story in order to introduce players to the way gear and the different episode bound skills is intended to work.
actually i agree with their explanation a lot. shame is that the F2P part you dont see any of it. So 99% of player wont even pay to explore further when their free experience is bad
I think my dude Andrew is doing a great job, if we support, and fairly criticize the game I bet we will receive a wonderful game! I have been loving it so far!
The world needs freedom remove the barrier into hope forest. Add a range skill to give options. Began combining skills into progression. Such as catch a fish, create a recipe. That recipe gives frost resistance. Eat that when fighting a frost boss. This alone adds fishing,Cooking,Alchamy to heal and Combat needed for a single task making all skills flow into one another. All cooking should either give buffs,resistances or have a benifit to progression. Create say a range skill bow useful in hopeport and hopeforest. Then in mantuben you unlock a spear skill allowing it to be trained by melee or by throwing. They need to give players purpose and freedom like other great games have done.
I think on paper having separate combat skills that are unique to an episode is cool and solves a few problems. I think the negative reaction is not to having different skills it’s that training the “different” skills in each episode feels the exact same as the last. In my experience, levels 1-25 felt the exact same and I didn’t feel a power increase from higher levels. Now that I’m in episode 2 the start of it feels the exact same as the start of episode one combat just starting from lvl 0
Yes agreed - like I said in my previous video I think the core problem is the lack of Combat skills, not the progression itself. Now Combat feels exactly the same in all episodes. Nothing to get excited about.
like what you said in the video about armor, I also feel the same can be said about potions and food. I can’t eat the food at all, and health potions are negated in the single hit I take while drinking the potion
for me it just feels artificial and gamey this game and runescape are heavily inspired by dnd and it would be really weird if in dnd my character that i was roleplaying as could kill goblins here without even breaking a sweat, but then he walks to the next town over and cant even touch them very immersion breaking
@@thegugster I tend to like thematic or lore reasons as to why the skills are different. I know the game doesn't say it, but so far I'm thinking that Guard is about fighting in a city or lived in area, Scout is fighting in the woods on uneven and natural ground, Minefighting is learning to fight in small, underground spaces etc. Animations to show that they are different and aren't all just 'Swing Weapon' would go a long way too imo.
I’m so tired of devs caring about someone who plays 5 minutes a day. Since when was a good game ever designed with that as a main player in decision making. It’s weird af and makes no sense.
"For example, a boss monster that you need to be both a high level guard AND a high level scout to defeat" Whats the purpose since it is basically the same skill??? I don't like to compare it with RS, but RS requirement at least serves a purpose, for example level 20 strength, 20 range and 20 magic. Each of those skill serves a purpose. They need to do something with these combat professions to make it more unique to one another and actually serves purpose in the game and I guarantee people will appreciate that.
@@leiferikson7052 Guild Wars 2 solved this with a level fluctuating system. Your stats will be dropped in lower zone so you aren't entirely overpowered, but you still have access to your skills and gear, nor do you need to roll a new character if you want to run old dungeons or help a friend that just joined the game. If they don't want old or low level content to become dead content, put combat level caps in some chunks of land to keep it somewhat challenging if for whatever reason higher level players come back to these zones to take on a newly-released low or mid level quest/dungeon/worldboss. Having to completely reset for a specific zone just doesn't do it. People are going to rush zones regardless, especially if there's no reason to return. Put in content to keep people coming to these zones. This "soft reset" system only only psychologically gaslight players into thinking their progress means nothing, especially in the way Brighter Shores presents it.
its still in beta stages g. give it time. rsc started off small...they moved to rs2 which is now osrs and was a complete overhaul . the game was always beautiful tho regardless to me
They are against "Autoscale" (levelling), but I am catching 100 level fish at exactly the same pond as my first lvl 1 fish, and "magically" the original lvl 1 fish vanished. So immersion breaking! In it's current state this entire game is just a mix and match of mini games - they should only promote it on mobile devices and earn a ton of money with microtransactions and go full "Diablo Immortal" mode (although I am against it, it would be the most smart thing to do for them).
The scaling comment is indeed weird as a lot of the system are pretty much the same as autoscaling, even if they are categorized differently. Combat also doesn't feel like anything matters at the moment.
@@HDHaZmY I find it the most "immersion-breaking" feature which makes me quit my subscription 😞, aside of the fact I cannot "inspect" other players or interact with the world how I want instead of just doing chores. This seems like a mobile game for me.
I feel the one thing that needs to happen no matter what is as soon as episode 5 comes out if not before episode 3 needs to be made 3. Its a tough pill to swallow but its vital for him to keep the game going strongly
This soft reset system is poorly explained in-game and it only psychologically gaslights the player into believing their progress means nothing. Especially when it comes to the "total level 60 to continue the main story" noob trap. Players clicking on the new free steam game and coming off something like WoW would probably spam combat training and realize they dun goofed after a couple hours and ragequit. It needs an overhaul or at least a better introduction if they want Brighter Shores to succeed. I have no problem with a scout skill (ranged) vs a guard skill (melee/tank(?)), but the fact they aren't introduced together and explained as different skills a la Tutoiral Island in OSRS, it only disencourages the player and causes confusion, especially when skills are locked behind a serialized concept in storytelling such as the word "episode." Rework the entire bootcamp sequence and explain all the skills of every episode. If you don't want old content to become dead content, Please take a page from Guild Wars 2. Put in a zone-based level cap so old content (dungeons, quests, world bosses) will never become irrelevant and still provide a challenge if a higher level player jumps in on the content late.
I am definitely interested in seeing what they add for inspecting other players in the future. Beyond capes there is no way to show your achievements in the current state of the game. I want to be able to show how little of a life I have damn it lmao.
Sorry, it was not a good response. He doubled down on a system nobody enjoys. There's no sense of progression, and even if there was, the combat is shallow, there's no unique weapons or armor, it's all generic numbers that go up very slightly. Gear is randomly generated from monsters with no differences between said monsters at ALL. 10 years and combat is literally just click enemy-wait-~15% chance it will drop an item that has nothing but defense % stats on it. Repeat infinitely with no further rewards. And even if you do get to crazy high combat, like max it at 500, you go to the next episode...And you're lvl 1, time to grind all over again hitting 5 damage for some reason.
Game needs basic magic, more ranged oppertunites to do range only if one wishes. I think whats missing is freedom of choice which osrs had in abundance. Why 4 melee zones with no magic or range zone skills is a odd choice.
theres alot of things i like about this game. clicking the map and dragging to change its position, or using wasd. never a fan of mouse 3 and i to this day use wasd remapped on osrs ( when i play ) . clicking and dragging though now and then if i feel lazy and wanna one hand it is chill, i like that, just dont like moving my finger to mouse 3. this game has a great feel im into it
the problem with saying that it doesnt go away it is good as long as your in hopeport you get access to hopeport, if theres eventually more episodes, it becomes less and less of the experience. If you cant use it in 3/4s of the content its still 1/4th of the content currently you can use it.
What frustrastes me the most is the combat. Only to start attacking you have to click on the mob, select attack, then select the weapon and then attack. Just make it simple! If far away, use your bow. If close combat, use slot 1 weapon and then, if you want, you can swap it.
I think i understand that reasoning, for example just using rs3 as the comparison rather than osrs or classic, it took me so long to get a single 99. But me and my bf made an account for the beach event that went on and it got 2 99s in that time span... like damn that makes your previous achievements feel like a waste of time tbh. Nobody wants to feel that way even tho games can be time wasters, you dont want your audience to feel that it is lol.
I haven't played the game yet but as a long long time rs/osrs player, I'm very intrigued. Are the episodes sort of like the acts in BG3 where it's just a large area but all the same world? Just different regions of a greater place?
They are all just big zones that you can freely move between. In runescape terms it would be if lumbridge and varrock had completely seperate sets of skills and combat stats.
The issue isn’t within the game, it’s within the community, they want it to be RuneScape so bad that they refuse to see it for the great game that it is, people don’t want to grind, they want to feel fulfilled by leveling professions and they are mad they can’t AFK grind it like RuneScape, it’s actually a really good game and has hours of content even before you buy the membership, honestly way better than RuneScape already and it was released early and constantly gets updates almost every day
Okay, so I've been playing wrong. I decided not to continue onto the next episodes because I wasn't finished with the original ones, but I see now that I really should. That is definitely something they should highlight in the very beginning: Complete the main story.
what if we had more distinction with weapons. for example Guard Weapons and then Scouts weapon (don't know episode 3 yet but probably weapon for that too) Those weapons can be used in any areas they are found in, but require a specific level in the respective skill to use. For example, you might find Twin Daggers from a monster in Hopeport, but you need lvl 20 Scout to use Twin Daggers
The monsters turn into higher level variants but there is an option to bring back any variant, if you really want to feel your progress, which is all that was ever needed in the enemy scaling games. EDIT: And better weapons definitely hit higher, idk what you're smoking lol.
I agree it should just display combat level to the characters head not total skill levels. Just like osrs lmao. Combat level. Total of all combat professions across all skills
Well, that is good they are trying to improve this... However I think this is not the biggest flaw of the game. The main issue is that ultimatly all profession are not giving fresh things. When you unlock a new re-colored kelp after hours of grind you know you will do the same thing over and over again. It would be fun to have unlocks that actually change some gameplay or some experience... I just feel that right now we only grind for the grind value... Which is fun for some, just not for most players.
I don’t think an explanation was necessary. It still feels bad to change episodes. This is what happens when you try to solve a cornerstone of the genre rather then respect its limitations. Cubeworld did the same thing and got the same blowback from the community. RPGs are about leveling and power fantasy. Removing levels for the sake of putting everyone on the same power level is obviously not gonna sit well with a majority of the community. This is just what RPGs are. This is the limitation of the genre and also a defining characteristic of what makes the genre. It didn’t need to be solved, it should’ve been embraced.
I love this game so much. Never played osrs and don’t plan to anytime soon. My main issue is the lack of social aspects. Let me make a party with my friends, inspect other peoples gear/levels, clans and I want to see more team based battles (ffxiv has a hunt system that has very strong enemies that can appear periodically on the map and you need many players to defeat it, I could see something like this being implemented in this game too). Also it needs a lot of qol improvements especially around movement. Clicking the minimap and having it auto path, temporary teleport points you can place where u need them (I’d say having one or two at a time being enough), a way to lock the minimap anywhere on the screen. A way to improve bag space over time (I’m only on episode 2 so not sure if this is already in the game) I’m gonna keep playing the game until it loses my interest but I see a lot of potential in it. I just hope they don’t have to make changes that will be so drastic they’d need to reset my levels
I was definitely playing it in a normal MMO way, complete episode 1 then go to episode 2. In fact I've not even got to episode 2 and I was feeling a bit sick of the first area. They should probably lock some side quests by forcing you into new episodes to progress the quests, that way you will know to mix multiple episodes at once. Even the word 'episode' suggests linear progress. Who watches episode 3 of Star Wars before episode 1 (well I did watch "Return of the Jedi" first, but not on purpose).
One of my questions also seems to be the Premium Pass... so for me its 5.99 EUR for 30 days running sub.... its 23.99 for 90 days one time payment and its 74.99 for 365 days one time payment... so 6x 12 would be cheaper than a 365 days pass... even 6x3 is cheaper than 90 days...
I don't understand how someone who only plays a "few hours a day" would have any need to play a new chapter. They'd still be in the first chapter for a lot longer than people who play more often. I'm still enjoying the game and thanks for the feedback.
I'm just going to make an early prediction based on my gameplay and the general game direction they're taking - Brighter Shores is going to be a mega niche game. Super super niche. It really feels like they just wanted their own Runescape again, but needed to make it meaningfully different. But something like OSRS is already **close to** "perfect" for the kind of game it's trying to be that making a spin off can only be super niche.
I would like to see crafting materials spread across all acts. It just feels weird that everything is so centralized, like cooking mats would definitely be in abundance in the forest. Or do they cross over at higher levels? Let me know.
One thing by saying everything is going to be connected between the "episodes".... thing is it hurts f2ps a lot by cutting off whole zones that will be "connected".... so what is the real end game without doing premium?
If you treat it like skills, having guard and scout is like having attack and range skills for example youre not really starting over its a skill attack style to learn
That's exactly the problem. OSRS introduces the combat skills back to back and teaches the player how they function differently in a span of 5 minutes. Brighter Shores locking them behind episodes, a stupid name that heavily suggests a linear story progression like in television btw, gives off the impression that the one and only combat skill you've been introduced to so far and training in Hopeport for a few hours all of a sudden means nothing. Combine this with the main quest telling the player they need a minimum level of 60 before moving on, that becomes a noob trap for players that probably clicked on the new free steam game never hearing about RuneScape before, would most likely spam combat and then get smacked a message that can be interpreted as their progress being worthless. If Brighter Shores's boot camp introduction was an isolated experience that explained everything in an hour, it wouldn't be a problem. Besides, a safe/isolated boot camp introduction could make for good chatacter role-playing bacnstory that gives the player some slight levelups at the beginning over a questionnaire. Yeah it would be relatively useless, but it can add some layer of immersion in character creation.
My biggest gripe is what will happen to PVP and PVM in each episode. All the grinding I do to try to get great gear from potential bosses later would only be isolated to a single episode. So there is no progress there between episodes. Imagine getting into a PVP duel in episode 1 where someone grinded 100 levels and bosses to get special gear, but then goes to episode 3 and gets beat easy. I dont see a reason why to go for gear thats isolated to one episode.
they could make it where you have rapid improvement and feel stronger per episode without just reseting you to zero, just have even more powerful gear to grab in the next episode. and i think you should be able to take episode 2 shit back into 1 and just feel overkill thats one of my favorite things in mmo is going back to lower level zones and feeling super powerful one hitting mobs and stuff, reusing the same room with scaled mobs is just lazy and boring
I’m an osrs player and tried it out. I think it’s fine so far (6 hours in), but a little confusing. I’ll allow him to develop it further and play every once in a while.
I'm OSRS player and could not be more agree with you. This game is so much fun in it's early acceso, but ppl are bitching on it like it was a full AAA game.
It's a great response, and I love developers that are open and transparent. However, for people who don't like the separate combat professions (including me), the response is kind of useless. It doesn't aim to improve or mitigate the issues people are having with it, merely to explain why it's here to stay. (With the exception of the suggestion to have enemies that benefit from multiple professions to defeat, which is a step in the right direction. Why not do that for every enemy rather than just a few exceptions?)
I think it's too early for them to change anything before the promised Skill System arrived. Once Combat will have abiliteis and skills, there should be a new wave of criticism they can base future design choices on. I really think Skills can make a big impact in how it feels.
I dont mind the level creep and old content scaling it is actually pretty smart. One thing that is trash is zone 2 has 2 skills pretty much made to use in zone 3. What is the point of carpentry and woodcutting if you dont make weapons. I get they want people to buy membership but seems harsh
I played 18 hours. I will not play it anymore. I was ready to quit earlier, but I really wanted to like it and kept expecting to get hooked. The lack of QoL features is intended as part of the game, that is incomprehensible to me. I don't see the combat getting any less uninteresting in the future with the explanations they have given so far. I might be willing to try it again as changes and improvements are implemented and we get a better idea of what the 'end game' is about, but I honestly did not enjoy my time playing it.
I personally like the maps, but I wish it was designed like Runescape just with maps instead. Everything EXCEPT for the skills and level combat "reseting" I like. This game if it was patched and redesigned to be more like runescape I like everything else. Funny enough I really enjoy the fishing and the combat is cool. I also enjoyed Runescape in 2005
Has anyone mentioned that everything would be much better if it was single click for fishing, combat, etc.? Having to click a fish once and then choose between “catch” and “info” is double the clicks for no reason at all. After reading the info on a fish once, I never need to see that display again.
Ugh, reminds me of when Bethesda ruined their leveling system by having everything scale with you. Do game devs not understand the fun concept of feeling overpowered because you grinded to get to that point? On a side note, a good way to make areas useful for even higher levels so they don't become obsolete is by having the bosses drop items that are useful for even higher levels. Sort of like FFXI's system that existed @ level 75.
personally i like it. but i honestly hate bossing, pvm, and pvp, in osrs. ive always just enjoyed skilling while im chilling after work watching tv or youtube or something. so this game is good for that.
All of this is wrong. He needs to change deciding your faction at the start of the game. Even at the point where you do choose a faction one still has no idea the difference between the three, so waiting seems pointless. At least it should have been early episode 1. In addition to this issue, ALL combat levels need to be squished. Having monsters scale is fine, but episode 2 should naturally be harder. Having to grind a different set of gear and a different "combat profession" (the same class under a different name) is pointless. Even if we get skills added, some players might not like that way that profession plays. We should be able to choose and swap between combat professions freely, and that profession should carry into each episode. I understand that the dev team wants something innovative, but not all innovation is good. This idea of separating combat professions by episode, and having them only usable in that episode, rather than being unlocked and swapped out, was/is a horrible idea, and it WILL chase off a majority of players, which is bad for the long haul of the game.
My main annoying complaint about this game is every interaction with a mob when you attack it you have too click it then click the weapon.. it’s just annoying. Other than that Iv enjoyed it so far
Playing for hours grinding your skills only to be told to "start over" in the new episode feels bad. I get the rationale. However, it feels so bad for the player.
aren't new players still going to plow thourgh episode 1 through 4 in order to get to episode 5 and so forth? the grind to get to new content will regardless be a hefty one, imagine 10 episode being out and having to play through 9 episodes just to try to new content, that doesn't seem realistic for new players.
Its the vision and game design and where the game is going that people complain about and not the quality of the game. Being an indie dose not mean it can have bad systems
The Gower brothers' predecessor RuneScape was never AAA to begin with. Hell, it wasn't even a B-tier when it was at its 2007 "glory days" peak as a web browser game. They're the living embodiment of early indie game developers success stories. Here's the problem. Brighter Shores, unlike its older brother RuneScape, fails demonstrate how all the episodes' skills are interconnected to the player in the first hour, and drags out only a third of them. By the time a new player reaches Hopeforest, they'll think "Oh shit, a second tutorial, and my combat resets? I'm outta here!" It discourages the player from continuing after they spent a couple hours in Hopeport and mistakenly think their combat got a soft-reset, not realizing they're being introduced to the Brighter Shore's equivilent of RuneScape's ranged combat skill a little too late after what they thought was the end of the tutorial. This is a terrible first impression and people unfamiliar with Gower's work on grindy games would likely be turned off by. It badly needs an overhauled tutorial better explaining the combat triangle to prevent this kind of confused ragequitting, because that shit isn't introduced until hours into the game.
i hate that Episode 1 Combat Gear is useless and doesn't provide any stats when used in Episode 2 and vice versa, it's infuriating, there's no reason for this. Episodes feel like you have to start over from zero doing the same exact things every episode without any of the progress from Episode to Episode carrying over. Because the things you do in Episode 1, you can only do in Episode 1 for all 500 levels, this is a huge issue for me because i was hoping for example to fish in different regions or mine in different locations :(((( just to add, Episode 1 Guarding is identical to Episode 2 Scout :( i was hoping Scouting would be like Ranged Combat. Huge issues to start off with, can't believe Andrew is defending these, these issues are driving players away, the drop is already apparent from SteamDB concurrent player stats sadly.
I'm not hugely familiar with Brighter Shores, and i'm only a few minutes in - but why are they releasing the game in "episodes"? It feels like they're trying to come up with a solution to a problem they created themselves.
Kinda starting to hate that player complain about things that are not yet in the game wile its early acces... like its early acces what do ppl expect a full fleched game?
Yeah I get that vibe too.. if you have to say that after trying a game for 30 mins and it isn’t fun, then it probably just isn’t fun. I personally would never consider spending hours playing a game like this, I’d rather sit and watch tv or go for a walk.. both more engaging to me. I feel the same way about rs3/osrs these days though, just so many better ways to spend time.
@@HDHaZmY I think my issue is that you shouldn't have to try to convince me if the game is actually fun or not. It was fun for a few hours, but many new games are fun for at least a few hours. There is no depth to the game as it currently stands
I really thought I'm going to find a main game to grind unfortunately this episode system is demotivating for any mmo player. I do not want to feel like i rerolled a charachter every time there is a new episode.
still, this is not for me, I know your progression doesn't wipe or reset, but for every episode the gear we acquired is useless makes me feel like why I'm i grinding for gear when my lvl and gear doesn't carry on the next episode? .... I'm ok with the profession like carpeting, fishing, alchemist etc not carry and only been level in their corresponding episode but not able to keep my gear for the next episode is a letdown ..... maybe some people love this type of gameplay but not me, I just don't get why developers do this type of weird decisions just like in once human, I know a lot of you may argue with me and not agreed with me but the reality is that you just dumb down the player based of the game, and I experience that myself once I reach the new episode not going to lie tons of people were talking about just quitting the game
Idc about the combat skills being seperate. But the rest of them being super segmented is dumb. You should be able to fish and cook and find new fish in other areas
I don't like the reason for the design. Make players play the game to get to the next episode. If you need 50 to get to episode 2, 100 to get to episode 3, 150 to get to episode 4, 200 to get to episode 5, etc. that is fine! Making everyone start fresh is annoying and insulting to people who played long. Cater to everyone, lose everyone.
There is no F2P in the sense that you are thinking. It's best to consider it a free trial. Only the first 2 areas are accessible as a free player, so you can get quite a ways into the game before you pay, but you will eventually have to pay if you want to see the rest of the world
I feel this is great communication already from the Developers - I think the system sounds good, but it needs more Quality of Life Tweaks then to actually be fun for most players who feel it is daunting at the moment.
What do you think?
Completely agree and I feel like your take in this video is very solid. I'm excited to see how this game develops.
So far this game only made me want to try OSRS.
it wasn’t communicating anything. it was doubling down and gaslighting that the player’s feelings weren’t valid.
@@drinkwater7393 this will end up as a mobile game, pretty sure about it
I don’t think my thoughts have been swayed. Players who play a lot should be potentially over leveled for new content, and of course newer players should have to do older content before doing newer content.
What would help the game alot was if these new combat professions had different fighting animations. It would help players assume there is a difference between them.
Yes I love that comment - New animations, visuals, style, magic anything.
Combat role specific skills are coming. I think Andrew may have just underestimated how needed they were immediately to help sell his "breadth and depth" system. So many people would feel better if scout had a different unique ability. He also should have added a tutorial upon leaving hopeport to attune a Hopeport weapon to Hopeforest to help explain that mechanic and give players an easier entry into Epidode 2
What’s weird is there not called classes but factions.
their explanation imo makes a lot of sense and solves an issue i have with most mmos.
There are definitely issues but i adore how combat works personally and their communication.
I think it would feel better if there was higher level global unlocks and each combat class felt more distinct.
the fact they are planning leaderboards for each episode i think is cool af
I think the idea is brillinat, it solves major MMORPG issues.
But currently it's not fully implemented yet to be fun for everyone.
The sooner professions have complex interconnectivity (like gathering in Hopewood for alchemy, chopping and cutting weapon parts in hopewood for smithing) is introduced the sooner the skills will feel lile they matter.
The big issue for me is mainly the extremely specific locations for things like cooking, alchemy, and fishing - there should be more places to brew potions, cook, fish, etc than one building in one town.
Also the different combat skills NEED to feel distinguished. Currently Guard and Scout are identical in terms of gameplay, one just unlocks later. That feels bad - give me more arrows or different weapons and armor or enemies with mechanics.
i think the solution is to make Guard skill the "Defence" of the game and Scout the "Ranged Archer" skill that can be used in any act, instead of just tieing it into one episode.
With Fishing, make fishing spots for different regions fish, same for mining.
Combine Gathering and Forager, it's literally the same thing, there's no reason to have them separate, whenever you gather anything for potions, just make it "Gathering" that's it .
there is no overlap in skills to different episodes currently, atleast not enough so it would matter :( i hate starting from zero every episode
Id also be happy to see unique bosses that make cooking useful. Such as must eat a certain type of meal to make you able to fight a certain boss. Like combining slayer ,cooking and fishing into one would give all brighter shores skills purpose.
Agreed, Episode 3 monsters already drop ingredients but there should be more interaction for cooking and enemies I think
I'm just gonna write a list of things i'd love to see:
1) An auto select armour/weapons option; so the game will automatically equip armour for hopeport when in hopeport, armour for hopeforest when in hopeforest ect ect, this would make people feel less like previous armour is useless, or just find it a hastle to switch.
2) Changing the name from episodes to zone, stage or something else, this will make people feel less like they are loosing progress.
3) Different animations depending on which zone you are in, specifically attack animations. This makes it feel like the skills are actually different.
4) Click minimap to move, idk, i just think it would be useful.
5) Really just anything that makes 'episodes' feel unique and different.
Great news for you!
1) - you can do this with the Quartermaster Spell already!
2) - they are thinking about it
4) - This literally JUST got patched in, you can do it!
Great news for your. You can click the minimap now!
I still don’t like idea of skills being locked to one place. It just seems lazy way to do it.
I feel ep1 was very fun but very limited in scope and once I got ep2 just felt well not so good. I think I am just going to wait for osrs hd client update and start playing osrs.
I feel like episode crap is just there so Andrew can say “see we are not RuneScape” at the costs of gameplay and ruins the game in general. I think the game needs another 3 more years before it’s playable.
I love this game. I'm going to go premium for it. It's good to feel the "I want to play this game now" feeling again. I've missed that over the past few years. Sure, there's some frustrations - Inventory storage/bank situation - but it is early in this game.
had premium asap on multiple accounts ngl. i support the gowers, absolute rockstars
I agree with it not being clear on how the episodes work together. And when you progress the quests all you saw was 50+ stat requirements which is daunting
I think the side quests could have been spread out across the areas to keep pushing people into the new episodes but episode one and two needed to have something that connects the skilling together because those are the only two free to play episodes at the moment
Tip: Keep your untuned Guard weapons from Hopeport. Take it to the Obelisk in Hopeforest. They stay scaled at the Guard level they are, still requiring Guard to equip but you'll be able to use it to level Scout in Hopeforest.
I think the crafting untuned gear in Act 3 needs to be moved into Act 1, perhaps as an extenstion or prelude to The Obelisk quest. Once you can pick and choose your gear from the skill you've leveled, you are taking your skills and weapons from different acts into others and your old skill still feels useful as you level the new combat skill. Alternatively, players need to told or made to feel like the Main Quest is, unlike other games, is meant to be done first. The early Main Quest unlocking the first 3 episodes should be called 'Prelude' or 'Tutorial Quest' to show that it's a priority and not the story in order to introduce players to the way gear and the different episode bound skills is intended to work.
actually i agree with their explanation a lot. shame is that the F2P part you dont see any of it. So 99% of player wont even pay to explore further when their free experience is bad
I think my dude Andrew is doing a great job, if we support, and fairly criticize the game I bet we will receive a wonderful game! I have been loving it so far!
The world needs freedom remove the barrier into hope forest. Add a range skill to give options. Began combining skills into progression.
Such as catch a fish, create a recipe. That recipe gives frost resistance. Eat that when fighting a frost boss. This alone adds fishing,Cooking,Alchamy to heal and Combat needed for a single task making all skills flow into one another.
All cooking should either give buffs,resistances or have a benifit to progression.
Create say a range skill bow useful in hopeport and hopeforest. Then in mantuben you unlock a spear skill allowing it to be trained by melee or by throwing.
They need to give players purpose and freedom like other great games have done.
I think on paper having separate combat skills that are unique to an episode is cool and solves a few problems. I think the negative reaction is not to having different skills it’s that training the “different” skills in each episode feels the exact same as the last. In my experience, levels 1-25 felt the exact same and I didn’t feel a power increase from higher levels. Now that I’m in episode 2 the start of it feels the exact same as the start of episode one combat just starting from lvl 0
Yes agreed - like I said in my previous video I think the core problem is the lack of Combat skills, not the progression itself. Now Combat feels exactly the same in all episodes. Nothing to get excited about.
like what you said in the video about armor, I also feel the same can be said about potions and food. I can’t eat the food at all, and health potions are negated in the single hit I take while drinking the potion
for me it just feels artificial and gamey
this game and runescape are heavily inspired by dnd and it would be really weird if in dnd my character that i was roleplaying as could kill goblins here without even breaking a sweat, but then he walks to the next town over and cant even touch them
very immersion breaking
if there was a story reason where it was thematic and interesting it would be a lot more palatable for me imo
@@thegugster I tend to like thematic or lore reasons as to why the skills are different. I know the game doesn't say it, but so far I'm thinking that Guard is about fighting in a city or lived in area, Scout is fighting in the woods on uneven and natural ground, Minefighting is learning to fight in small, underground spaces etc. Animations to show that they are different and aren't all just 'Swing Weapon' would go a long way too imo.
I’m so tired of devs caring about someone who plays 5 minutes a day. Since when was a good game ever designed with that as a main player in decision making. It’s weird af and makes no sense.
"For example, a boss monster that you need to be both a high level guard AND a high level scout to defeat"
Whats the purpose since it is basically the same skill??? I don't like to compare it with RS, but RS requirement at least serves a purpose, for example level 20 strength, 20 range and 20 magic. Each of those skill serves a purpose. They need to do something with these combat professions to make it more unique to one another and actually serves purpose in the game and I guarantee people will appreciate that.
I think once they add the waited Combat Skills that will make more sense for combat!
It's basically just a way to make it so people don't skip or rush content
@@leiferikson7052 Guild Wars 2 solved this with a level fluctuating system. Your stats will be dropped in lower zone so you aren't entirely overpowered, but you still have access to your skills and gear, nor do you need to roll a new character if you want to run old dungeons or help a friend that just joined the game.
If they don't want old or low level content to become dead content, put combat level caps in some chunks of land to keep it somewhat challenging if for whatever reason higher level players come back to these zones to take on a newly-released low or mid level quest/dungeon/worldboss. Having to completely reset for a specific zone just doesn't do it. People are going to rush zones regardless, especially if there's no reason to return. Put in content to keep people coming to these zones.
This "soft reset" system only only psychologically gaslight players into thinking their progress means nothing, especially in the way Brighter Shores presents it.
Also keep in mind a lot of bad feedback is coming from OSRS chuds who spend 15 hours a day doing rooftop agility, Not exactly the cream of the crop.
The copium with this game is incredible.
I can understand their desired objectives, however the design fails to meet those intended objectives.
its still in beta stages g. give it time. rsc started off small...they moved to rs2 which is now osrs and was a complete overhaul . the game was always beautiful tho regardless to me
@cIeetz I'm not saying that they can't make changes, I'm simply saying that I don't think they're meeting their objective and changes should be made.
Playing this game made me want to play OSRS again
Nothing wrong with that! Me too honestly, but I like both.
I did put about 5 hours into this game so far and enjoyed it mostly, but it lacks the feeling of accomplishment OSRS provides
@@vice3659 NO PVP
i like that this with help RS, they'll see how B.S. handles feedback and apply it to RS, so we might see 'seasons' in RS in the future.
It already exists, it’s called leagues
They are against "Autoscale" (levelling), but I am catching 100 level fish at exactly the same pond as my first lvl 1 fish, and "magically" the original lvl 1 fish vanished. So immersion breaking! In it's current state this entire game is just a mix and match of mini games - they should only promote it on mobile devices and earn a ton of money with microtransactions and go full "Diablo Immortal" mode (although I am against it, it would be the most smart thing to do for them).
The scaling comment is indeed weird as a lot of the system are pretty much the same as autoscaling, even if they are categorized differently.
Combat also doesn't feel like anything matters at the moment.
@@HDHaZmY I find it the most "immersion-breaking" feature which makes me quit my subscription 😞, aside of the fact I cannot "inspect" other players or interact with the world how I want instead of just doing chores. This seems like a mobile game for me.
its a mediocre game that Andrew tried to sell as a new mmorpg, but in reality its a single player game with the mmo label on it
@@jahazielheraslomeli4223 unfortunately I have to agree with you
@@PeterPanbe i really wanted to love the game, but its just not good in his current state
I feel the one thing that needs to happen no matter what is as soon as episode 5 comes out if not before episode 3 needs to be made 3. Its a tough pill to swallow but its vital for him to keep the game going strongly
This soft reset system is poorly explained in-game and it only psychologically gaslights the player into believing their progress means nothing. Especially when it comes to the "total level 60 to continue the main story" noob trap. Players clicking on the new free steam game and coming off something like WoW would probably spam combat training and realize they dun goofed after a couple hours and ragequit. It needs an overhaul or at least a better introduction if they want Brighter Shores to succeed.
I have no problem with a scout skill (ranged) vs a guard skill (melee/tank(?)), but the fact they aren't introduced together and explained as different skills a la Tutoiral Island in OSRS, it only disencourages the player and causes confusion, especially when skills are locked behind a serialized concept in storytelling such as the word "episode." Rework the entire bootcamp sequence and explain all the skills of every episode.
If you don't want old content to become dead content, Please take a page from Guild Wars 2. Put in a zone-based level cap so old content (dungeons, quests, world bosses) will never become irrelevant and still provide a challenge if a higher level player jumps in on the content late.
I am definitely interested in seeing what they add for inspecting other players in the future. Beyond capes there is no way to show your achievements in the current state of the game. I want to be able to show how little of a life I have damn it lmao.
Lol don't worry. This has always been an aspect of online games!! So I agree!
Sorry, it was not a good response. He doubled down on a system nobody enjoys. There's no sense of progression, and even if there was, the combat is shallow, there's no unique weapons or armor, it's all generic numbers that go up very slightly. Gear is randomly generated from monsters with no differences between said monsters at ALL. 10 years and combat is literally just click enemy-wait-~15% chance it will drop an item that has nothing but defense % stats on it. Repeat infinitely with no further rewards. And even if you do get to crazy high combat, like max it at 500, you go to the next episode...And you're lvl 1, time to grind all over again hitting 5 damage for some reason.
Game needs basic magic, more ranged oppertunites to do range only if one wishes. I think whats missing is freedom of choice which osrs had in abundance. Why 4 melee zones with no magic or range zone skills is a odd choice.
I agree, the lack of magic right now is really making it look bland.
The whole game is a bad choice. There has to be something more engaging to play... lol
theres alot of things i like about this game. clicking the map and dragging to change its position, or using wasd. never a fan of mouse 3 and i to this day use wasd remapped on osrs ( when i play ) . clicking and dragging though now and then if i feel lazy and wanna one hand it is chill, i like that, just dont like moving my finger to mouse 3. this game has a great feel im into it
the problem with saying that it doesnt go away it is good as long as your in hopeport you get access to hopeport, if theres eventually more episodes, it becomes less and less of the experience. If you cant use it in 3/4s of the content its still 1/4th of the content currently you can use it.
This is a very good point, we'll just have to see what the vision is then for long-term - it's an obvious problem that they must have thought of!
I whish this game was in fact an mmo, it has something in it, hope in tome it will be better
What frustrastes me the most is the combat. Only to start attacking you have to click on the mob, select attack, then select the weapon and then attack. Just make it simple! If far away, use your bow. If close combat, use slot 1 weapon and then, if you want, you can swap it.
Or reduce it to 2 clicks: 1 to pick target and then another (in your keyboard) to pick which weapon you're engaging with first
Also this game would need waay more quests early on
I think i understand that reasoning, for example just using rs3 as the comparison rather than osrs or classic, it took me so long to get a single 99. But me and my bf made an account for the beach event that went on and it got 2 99s in that time span... like damn that makes your previous achievements feel like a waste of time tbh. Nobody wants to feel that way even tho games can be time wasters, you dont want your audience to feel that it is lol.
I haven't played the game yet but as a long long time rs/osrs player, I'm very intrigued. Are the episodes sort of like the acts in BG3 where it's just a large area but all the same world? Just different regions of a greater place?
They are all just big zones that you can freely move between. In runescape terms it would be if lumbridge and varrock had completely seperate sets of skills and combat stats.
The issue isn’t within the game, it’s within the community, they want it to be RuneScape so bad that they refuse to see it for the great game that it is, people don’t want to grind, they want to feel fulfilled by leveling professions and they are mad they can’t AFK grind it like RuneScape, it’s actually a really good game and has hours of content even before you buy the membership, honestly way better than RuneScape already and it was released early and constantly gets updates almost every day
A game for every one is a game for no one.
Okay, so I've been playing wrong. I decided not to continue onto the next episodes because I wasn't finished with the original ones, but I see now that I really should. That is definitely something they should highlight in the very beginning: Complete the main story.
what if we had more distinction with weapons.
for example Guard Weapons and then Scouts weapon (don't know episode 3 yet but probably weapon for that too) Those weapons can be used in any areas they are found in, but require a specific level in the respective skill to use. For example, you might find Twin Daggers from a monster in Hopeport, but you need lvl 20 Scout to use Twin Daggers
I like it, but maybe that's what's going to happen once Combat Abilities arrive!
The monsters turn into higher level variants but there is an option to bring back any variant, if you really want to feel your progress, which is all that was ever needed in the enemy scaling games.
EDIT: And better weapons definitely hit higher, idk what you're smoking lol.
I agree it should just display combat level to the characters head not total skill levels. Just like osrs lmao. Combat level. Total of all combat professions across all skills
Well, that is good they are trying to improve this... However I think this is not the biggest flaw of the game. The main issue is that ultimatly all profession are not giving fresh things. When you unlock a new re-colored kelp after hours of grind you know you will do the same thing over and over again. It would be fun to have unlocks that actually change some gameplay or some experience... I just feel that right now we only grind for the grind value... Which is fun for some, just not for most players.
I don’t think an explanation was necessary. It still feels bad to change episodes.
This is what happens when you try to solve a cornerstone of the genre rather then respect its limitations. Cubeworld did the same thing and got the same blowback from the community.
RPGs are about leveling and power fantasy. Removing levels for the sake of putting everyone on the same power level is obviously not gonna sit well with a majority of the community.
This is just what RPGs are. This is the limitation of the genre and also a defining characteristic of what makes the genre. It didn’t need to be solved, it should’ve been embraced.
I still have a feeling they can do it - but it needs lots of work still I agree. We'll see I guess!
I love this game so much. Never played osrs and don’t plan to anytime soon. My main issue is the lack of social aspects. Let me make a party with my friends, inspect other peoples gear/levels, clans and I want to see more team based battles (ffxiv has a hunt system that has very strong enemies that can appear periodically on the map and you need many players to defeat it, I could see something like this being implemented in this game too). Also it needs a lot of qol improvements especially around movement. Clicking the minimap and having it auto path, temporary teleport points you can place where u need them (I’d say having one or two at a time being enough), a way to lock the minimap anywhere on the screen. A way to improve bag space over time (I’m only on episode 2 so not sure if this is already in the game) I’m gonna keep playing the game until it loses my interest but I see a lot of potential in it. I just hope they don’t have to make changes that will be so drastic they’d need to reset my levels
They should have called it a stage and implement it like u a trainee starting to become a powerfull warrior or something like that
I was definitely playing it in a normal MMO way, complete episode 1 then go to episode 2. In fact I've not even got to episode 2 and I was feeling a bit sick of the first area. They should probably lock some side quests by forcing you into new episodes to progress the quests, that way you will know to mix multiple episodes at once. Even the word 'episode' suggests linear progress. Who watches episode 3 of Star Wars before episode 1 (well I did watch "Return of the Jedi" first, but not on purpose).
One of my questions also seems to be the Premium Pass... so for me its 5.99 EUR for 30 days running sub.... its 23.99 for 90 days one time payment and its 74.99 for 365 days one time payment... so 6x 12 would be cheaper than a 365 days pass... even 6x3 is cheaper than 90 days...
I've seen this from others, hopefully there will be official word on it.
Am I the only one that realized that the episodes are connected the first time I went back to episode 1 to make potions?
I don't understand how someone who only plays a "few hours a day" would have any need to play a new chapter. They'd still be in the first chapter for a lot longer than people who play more often. I'm still enjoying the game and thanks for the feedback.
I'm just going to make an early prediction based on my gameplay and the general game direction they're taking - Brighter Shores is going to be a mega niche game. Super super niche. It really feels like they just wanted their own Runescape again, but needed to make it meaningfully different. But something like OSRS is already **close to** "perfect" for the kind of game it's trying to be that making a spin off can only be super niche.
Personally loving the system
A mediocre design that excuse itself by being a brand new skill only with a different name? sounds good.
I would like to see crafting materials spread across all acts. It just feels weird that everything is so centralized, like cooking mats would definitely be in abundance in the forest. Or do they cross over at higher levels? Let me know.
"I understand that people are quitting and saying they dont like it. However, our testing shows that players will like it if they play more."
Bruh.
One thing by saying everything is going to be connected between the "episodes".... thing is it hurts f2ps a lot by cutting off whole zones that will be "connected".... so what is the real end game without doing premium?
This is something I also unfortunately noticed - F2P currently is very bad content in this case. All the interesting stuff unlocks in Episode 3 and 4
a default action for left click and menu action for right click would be very nice
If you treat it like skills, having guard and scout is like having attack and range skills for example youre not really starting over its a skill attack style to learn
Kinda like runescape you got attack and range and defense and magic and hp and prayer but all those start at 1 and up ur levels
That's exactly the problem. OSRS introduces the combat skills back to back and teaches the player how they function differently in a span of 5 minutes. Brighter Shores locking them behind episodes, a stupid name that heavily suggests a linear story progression like in television btw, gives off the impression that the one and only combat skill you've been introduced to so far and training in Hopeport for a few hours all of a sudden means nothing.
Combine this with the main quest telling the player they need a minimum level of 60 before moving on, that becomes a noob trap for players that probably clicked on the new free steam game never hearing about RuneScape before, would most likely spam combat and then get smacked a message that can be interpreted as their progress being worthless.
If Brighter Shores's boot camp introduction was an isolated experience that explained everything in an hour, it wouldn't be a problem.
Besides, a safe/isolated boot camp introduction could make for good chatacter role-playing bacnstory that gives the player some slight levelups at the beginning over a questionnaire. Yeah it would be relatively useless, but it can add some layer of immersion in character creation.
My biggest gripe is what will happen to PVP and PVM in each episode. All the grinding I do to try to get great gear from potential bosses later would only be isolated to a single episode. So there is no progress there between episodes. Imagine getting into a PVP duel in episode 1 where someone grinded 100 levels and bosses to get special gear, but then goes to episode 3 and gets beat easy. I dont see a reason why to go for gear thats isolated to one episode.
they could make it where you have rapid improvement and feel stronger per episode without just reseting you to zero, just have even more powerful gear to grab in the next episode. and i think you should be able to take episode 2 shit back into 1 and just feel overkill thats one of my favorite things in mmo is going back to lower level zones and feeling super powerful one hitting mobs and stuff, reusing the same room with scaled mobs is just lazy and boring
Episode 2 is not supposed to be an upgrade to episode 1. This is a fundamental part of the game which will not be changed.
im not surprised people bitching if they are from runescape players they will never play anything but runescape or something exactly like it lmao
I’m an osrs player and tried it out. I think it’s fine so far (6 hours in), but a little confusing. I’ll allow him to develop it further and play every once in a while.
I'm OSRS player and could not be more agree with you.
This game is so much fun in it's early acceso, but ppl are bitching on it like it was a full AAA game.
@ i have complaints too but i plan to keep playing and just leave feedback lol i am enjoying it for simply being different im not burned out on it lok
People are not bitching about lol, its an awful designed game
@ i mean bitching complaining same thing you can be bitching and not be wrong lol i just hope he listens and fixes things
It's a great response, and I love developers that are open and transparent. However, for people who don't like the separate combat professions (including me), the response is kind of useless. It doesn't aim to improve or mitigate the issues people are having with it, merely to explain why it's here to stay.
(With the exception of the suggestion to have enemies that benefit from multiple professions to defeat, which is a step in the right direction. Why not do that for every enemy rather than just a few exceptions?)
I think it's too early for them to change anything before the promised Skill System arrived. Once Combat will have abiliteis and skills, there should be a new wave of criticism they can base future design choices on.
I really think Skills can make a big impact in how it feels.
I dont mind the level creep and old content scaling it is actually pretty smart.
One thing that is trash is zone 2 has 2 skills pretty much made to use in zone 3.
What is the point of carpentry and woodcutting if you dont make weapons.
I get they want people to buy membership but seems harsh
I just atuned mty apisode 1 unatuned gear to eisaode 2 earea. Was not that hard to figure out.
I played 18 hours. I will not play it anymore. I was ready to quit earlier, but I really wanted to like it and kept expecting to get hooked. The lack of QoL features is intended as part of the game, that is incomprehensible to me. I don't see the combat getting any less uninteresting in the future with the explanations they have given so far. I might be willing to try it again as changes and improvements are implemented and we get a better idea of what the 'end game' is about, but I honestly did not enjoy my time playing it.
Maybe it's good to take a break and return at the end of Early Access - your opinion might change!
I miss your splatoon 3 vids :(
I personally like the maps, but I wish it was designed like Runescape just with maps instead. Everything EXCEPT for the skills and level combat "reseting" I like. This game if it was patched and redesigned to be more like runescape I like everything else. Funny enough I really enjoy the fishing and the combat is cool. I also enjoyed Runescape in 2005
Has anyone mentioned that everything would be much better if it was single click for fishing, combat, etc.?
Having to click a fish once and then choose between “catch” and “info” is double the clicks for no reason at all. After reading the info on a fish once, I never need to see that display again.
They are already working on this as far as I know.
@ amazing
I cant get passed the "room" map. It makes it feel tiny and not a cohesive city/realm.
Ugh, reminds me of when Bethesda ruined their leveling system by having everything scale with you. Do game devs not understand the fun concept of feeling overpowered because you grinded to get to that point? On a side note, a good way to make areas useful for even higher levels so they don't become obsolete is by having the bosses drop items that are useful for even higher levels. Sort of like FFXI's system that existed @ level 75.
I like this game
I beat the stag with episode 1 gear.
Exactly!
personally i like it. but i honestly hate bossing, pvm, and pvp, in osrs. ive always just enjoyed skilling while im chilling after work watching tv or youtube or something. so this game is good for that.
All of this is wrong. He needs to change deciding your faction at the start of the game. Even at the point where you do choose a faction one still has no idea the difference between the three, so waiting seems pointless. At least it should have been early episode 1.
In addition to this issue, ALL combat levels need to be squished. Having monsters scale is fine, but episode 2 should naturally be harder. Having to grind a different set of gear and a different "combat profession" (the same class under a different name) is pointless.
Even if we get skills added, some players might not like that way that profession plays. We should be able to choose and swap between combat professions freely, and that profession should carry into each episode.
I understand that the dev team wants something innovative, but not all innovation is good. This idea of separating combat professions by episode, and having them only usable in that episode, rather than being unlocked and swapped out, was/is a horrible idea, and it WILL chase off a majority of players, which is bad for the long haul of the game.
My main annoying complaint about this game is every interaction with a mob when you attack it you have too click it then click the weapon.. it’s just annoying. Other than that Iv enjoyed it so far
Playing for hours grinding your skills only to be told to "start over" in the new episode feels bad. I get the rationale. However, it feels so bad for the player.
3:45 scaling ruins sense of progression yes.
But having the same mobs just at different levels isnt any different....
Yes, I did point this out too.
aren't new players still going to plow thourgh episode 1 through 4 in order to get to episode 5 and so forth?
the grind to get to new content will regardless be a hefty one, imagine 10 episode being out and having to play through 9 episodes just to try to new content, that doesn't seem realistic for new players.
With how long maxing a skill is, it never needed to be redone multiple times, I still see this as flawed game design.
I can get past this issue if these "episode" skills would interact with each other.
They will! For Episode 3, you unlock Weapon Crafting that requires previous Professions!
I had such high hopes for this game.And I just canceled my subscription two days into play because of this crap ...feels bad
Indie MMO in early access “Why is this not a AAA game 😡” 😂 i cant believe how much people are complaining….it is receiving updates daily!
Its the vision and game design and where the game is going that people complain about and not the quality of the game. Being an indie dose not mean it can have bad systems
The Gower brothers' predecessor RuneScape was never AAA to begin with. Hell, it wasn't even a B-tier when it was at its 2007 "glory days" peak as a web browser game. They're the living embodiment of early indie game developers success stories.
Here's the problem. Brighter Shores, unlike its older brother RuneScape, fails demonstrate how all the episodes' skills are interconnected to the player in the first hour, and drags out only a third of them. By the time a new player reaches Hopeforest, they'll think "Oh shit, a second tutorial, and my combat resets? I'm outta here!"
It discourages the player from continuing after they spent a couple hours in Hopeport and mistakenly think their combat got a soft-reset, not realizing they're being introduced to the Brighter Shore's equivilent of RuneScape's ranged combat skill a little too late after what they thought was the end of the tutorial.
This is a terrible first impression and people unfamiliar with Gower's work on grindy games would likely be turned off by. It badly needs an overhauled tutorial better explaining the combat triangle to prevent this kind of confused ragequitting, because that shit isn't introduced until hours into the game.
i hate that Episode 1 Combat Gear is useless and doesn't provide any stats when used in Episode 2 and vice versa, it's infuriating, there's no reason for this.
Episodes feel like you have to start over from zero doing the same exact things every episode without any of the progress from Episode to Episode carrying over.
Because the things you do in Episode 1, you can only do in Episode 1 for all 500 levels, this is a huge issue for me because i was hoping for example to fish in different regions or mine in different locations :((((
just to add, Episode 1 Guarding is identical to Episode 2 Scout :( i was hoping Scouting would be like Ranged Combat.
Huge issues to start off with, can't believe Andrew is defending these, these issues are driving players away, the drop is already apparent from SteamDB concurrent player stats sadly.
I'm not hugely familiar with Brighter Shores, and i'm only a few minutes in - but why are they releasing the game in "episodes"? It feels like they're trying to come up with a solution to a problem they created themselves.
When you make a game for everyone. You make a game for no one
Brighter Shores actually made me go back to osrs
Kinda starting to hate that player complain about things that are not yet in the game wile its early acces... like its early acces what do ppl expect a full fleched game?
Just ignore the complaints if they get annoying. But feedback is useful for the Devs, they can filter out useful from just complaining.
@@HDHaZmY thx man. I needed that.
Reminds me of Albion Onlines launch. Felt like a mobile game thats trying to be a pc game
Oh no, Albion Online launch....Most no-life days of my life. I had to quit the game because of addiction :')
cube world pulled same thing. every region has own skill, amour, weapon. player hate re-leveling and gear everything new region.
Combat skills need “flavor”. They need to add skill trees and unique passive effects to each combat skill to make them feel unique.
Agreed!
"Please give it a chance" "Once you get used to it, it is actually fun" lol
Well it's kinda true in my opinion so far :')
Yeah I get that vibe too.. if you have to say that after trying a game for 30 mins and it isn’t fun, then it probably just isn’t fun. I personally would never consider spending hours playing a game like this, I’d rather sit and watch tv or go for a walk.. both more engaging to me. I feel the same way about rs3/osrs these days though, just so many better ways to spend time.
@@HDHaZmY I think my issue is that you shouldn't have to try to convince me if the game is actually fun or not. It was fun for a few hours, but many new games are fun for at least a few hours. There is no depth to the game as it currently stands
I really thought I'm going to find a main game to grind unfortunately this episode system is demotivating for any mmo player. I do not want to feel like i rerolled a charachter every time there is a new episode.
If old content feels like a chore, then it wasnt good to begin with.
still, this is not for me, I know your progression doesn't wipe or reset, but for every episode the gear we acquired is useless makes me feel like why I'm i grinding for gear when my lvl and gear doesn't carry on the next episode? .... I'm ok with the profession like carpeting, fishing, alchemist etc not carry and only been level in their corresponding episode but not able to keep my gear for the next episode is a letdown ..... maybe some people love this type of gameplay but not me, I just don't get why developers do this type of weird decisions just like in once human, I know a lot of you may argue with me and not agreed with me but the reality is that you just dumb down the player based of the game, and I experience that myself once I reach the new episode not going to lie tons of people were talking about just quitting the game
Please for the love of god make it so I dont have to left click then select an option for everything in the game.
They are already working on this I think!
When you're explaining to people why they should like your systems, you've already lost
Brobro just needs to make this rs4 and then we fuqin
Idc about the combat skills being seperate. But the rest of them being super segmented is dumb. You should be able to fish and cook and find new fish in other areas
I agree that it takes away from fun world exploration
Battle mage will make multiple acc good...
I don't like the reason for the design. Make players play the game to get to the next episode. If you need 50 to get to episode 2, 100 to get to episode 3, 150 to get to episode 4, 200 to get to episode 5, etc. that is fine! Making everyone start fresh is annoying and insulting to people who played long. Cater to everyone, lose everyone.
If u cant get items by killing somebody in pvp, it will be some bs
is it worth playing f2p? I can't afford it xd but I love this style of game and just watching these videos makes me want to try it more.
There is no F2P in the sense that you are thinking. It's best to consider it a free trial. Only the first 2 areas are accessible as a free player, so you can get quite a ways into the game before you pay, but you will eventually have to pay if you want to see the rest of the world