Lactate Swim Test || 6x400

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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Комментарии • 108

  • @bimpfi16
    @bimpfi16 Год назад +60

    Im so hyped every time I see a Lionel video popping up on my main page!

    • @markrau7628
      @markrau7628 Год назад +1

      Me too

    • @L-dw5sx
      @L-dw5sx Год назад +1

      Same come on Lionel World Champ 2024 unleash the lion 🦁

  • @haucks
    @haucks Год назад +38

    Hi Lionel, thank you for this excellent video. I believe there is a lot of very useful data to be gleaned from this session. 1. Your pace at lactate threshold (LT2) is 1:14-1:15, which is about 10 seconds per 100 slower than the fastest triathlon swimmers. I am guessing that you can bring this down to 1:10/1:11 within about 3 to 6 months once you get back to heavy swim training with Gerry. 2. Your maximum lactate production is quite low. Most fast swimmers would probably produce 6 to 12 mmol/l during an all out 400 swim. 4.5 mmol suggests that your anaerobic system is very underdeveloped and/or your current technique does not allow you to swim at speeds necessary to produce those numbers. High end swim speed is of course very important given how pro triathlon swims are often all out for the first 200 yards or so. I am sure Gerry has a plan for this as well. Good luck!

    • @viivnmusic
      @viivnmusic Год назад +3

      I think it’s normal to have an underdeveloped anaerobic system when doing long distance triathlon. Curious to know what you’d recommend to improve his swim pace.
      Saying that, we all know swimming has been Lionel’s weak point (with all respect) for some time. It’s a tough one to improve too.

    • @richardmocnik6631
      @richardmocnik6631 Год назад

      agree!
      Long- and Middle Distance Triathletes are basiclly pure slow twitch (Type I) muscle fibre guys. No chance to produce high lactate levels.

    • @Josh_lewis
      @Josh_lewis Год назад +1

      @@richardmocnik6631 I can produce double digits on all three disciplines 👀 this weekend isn't looking good.

    • @CoachGareth
      @CoachGareth 4 месяца назад

      Even the best endurance swimmers have access to anaerobic speed and lactate typically well above 6-10 mmol when swimming flat out (

  • @nathanmclain9027
    @nathanmclain9027 Год назад +6

    This is intersting AF. You're now a pro RUclipsr my friend. Keep this up and your going to get every age grouper nerding out on your channel.

  • @Natalie-rl7dq
    @Natalie-rl7dq Год назад +3

    This was absolutely fascinating and as someone who appreciates data and analysis of data sets, I was geeking out. But also incredibly interesting how much your Lactate jumped with a huge increase in effort without a lot of gain of speed. I love this because it only confirms how much swimming is so technical and important to create GOOD and STRONG Form from the very beginning before you can even talk about getting faster. Thanks for doing this!

  • @chrismack2027
    @chrismack2027 Год назад +5

    Might want to have a look at that leg kick 😉

  • @cameronyoung91
    @cameronyoung91 Год назад +4

    Keep up the good work mate! Stoked to see the analytical approach towards fitness gains!
    Side note, I signed up for my first ever 70.3 ironman thanks to you. Would be awesome, if you could do a competition in South Africa one day.

  • @TylerSinden
    @TylerSinden Год назад +10

    I'm just starting out and swimming is by far my worst discipline. I have minimal experience running and no biking and swimming experience outside of my last two months of training. Watching these videos has definitely increased my drive to want to train harder and learn more about everything to improve my overall ability. Love these educational videos!

  • @joshuafoulds8107
    @joshuafoulds8107 Год назад +11

    I'm really enjoying these testing videos and am excited to see how things progress over the next 8 weeks. Will these results be used to dictate training or just to have a benchmark for comparisons?

  • @marcatthecorner273
    @marcatthecorner273 11 месяцев назад

    Great video. I'm starting to now believe that you'll make an excellent coach one day. Keep surrounding yourself with the best, and please keep listening.

  • @tennvtxr
    @tennvtxr Год назад

    Dedicated triathlon coach. Been guessing for years. Guidance from one great coach is probably a good idea. Don’t reinvent the wheel, just improve the wheel. Time is ticking. I’m a big fan and wish the best for next year.

  • @akg5306
    @akg5306 Год назад

    Thanks for still putting out content! Makes the off season a little more bearable as a fan of the sport not to mention these geeky insights are very interesting!

  • @carlopieratelli4489
    @carlopieratelli4489 Год назад

    Great video! You got me hyped for seeing the progress over your lactate in the next few months. That's kind of crazy, I never thought I would be so invested on someone else's training. It's very helpful to see the science behind this study. Keep up the good work ❤

  • @adam_tri_hard
    @adam_tri_hard Год назад

    Well done Lionel for finally putting some real science behind your training and racing. This will pay huge dividends to you in 2024.

  • @larrylem3582
    @larrylem3582 Год назад +2

    The data looks great, very well-defined, very useful. The conclusion is spot-on, too. Practice technique, test every so often, get those curves moving to the right. I'm not sure why he talked so much about gathering data and not needing it since it is obviously needed.

    • @JameAndy-ge4ck
      @JameAndy-ge4ck Год назад +1

      It looks like technique could have a big impact. It looks quite laboured and heavy on his left side, which is stopping him ‘gliding’ through the water.
      I’d love to see Lionel make good improvement in the swim. He’s able hit some big watts on the bike and has good run speed too. If he was able to come out near first in the swim, we’d be seeing him on that top step a lot more.

  • @samlunger8777
    @samlunger8777 Год назад

    Fascinating! Should you reverse the order of the test? To rule out the possibility of cumulative lactate and stress.

  • @MathisW20
    @MathisW20 Год назад

    Great Video :) thank you Lionel. Lots of love from Germany

  • @MsBenFrog
    @MsBenFrog Год назад

    Thanks Lionel. Besides being one of the most inspirational athletes, you are also producing the most interesting videos in the field. I am so eager to see you succeed.

  • @yendoradon7836
    @yendoradon7836 Год назад +2

    Point the foot, lock the knees, hold legs closer together 😊

  • @trulswagener665
    @trulswagener665 Год назад +2

    in my opinion that is not Lt2, but closer to LT1. LT2 usually is around 3,5-3,8

  • @angelrivas4042
    @angelrivas4042 Год назад +2

    Physique looks incredible!

    • @ironmantooltime
      @ironmantooltime Год назад +1

      Yea really needs to cut some body fat, all those off season slurpies 😂

  • @fabrizziofernandez6540
    @fabrizziofernandez6540 Год назад +2

    I feel like the high elbow catch of Lionel is looking better !

  • @smkynbandt1
    @smkynbandt1 Год назад +1

    Great video and explanation of what you are doing on this set and future sets. You are more than welcome to come and swim with our Masters group if you are ever in the Charlotte, NC area.

  • @scottparrey7851
    @scottparrey7851 Год назад +1

    You are an inspiration, Lionel. Are you and your swim coach looking at your underwater catch and pull? Improving this component of you stroke will improve speed and efficiency, allowing you to swim faster with less effort.

  • @kain12343
    @kain12343 Год назад

    Really loving this content. Seeing this is not only motivating but extremely educational. Thank you!!!

  • @andreasderudder1671
    @andreasderudder1671 10 месяцев назад +1

    I noticed when you're breathing, your leading arm (on which your head should rest) is dropping way too much. It should stay in the extended position until your head is back in the water to reduce drag. Example: minute 2:36

  • @L-dw5sx
    @L-dw5sx Год назад +2

    1:22 per hundreads yards with 104 hr 😂 mines higher than that going for a walk Lionel’s a beast 🦁

  • @joshpain349
    @joshpain349 Год назад

    When you re-test.
    Will you factor in the fatigue and or freshness that you currently have?
    I presume you will be ramping up the training and when test next will have additional load and fatigue?
    Will this effect your baseline re__set?

  • @hansmeiners6668
    @hansmeiners6668 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing. You got this Lionel

  • @coachw5245
    @coachw5245 Год назад

    Gerry’s key principles are prioritised as tautness, alignment then propulsion.
    It appears to me that as you work on your tautness, which will include ankle flexibility work, your tautness will naturally improve and then you will naturally move through the water at a greater velocity using the same energy.
    As you state, knowing such data will if nothing else increase your belief in the process.
    Thanks for sharing.
    It would be great to also get Gerry’s input on camera [I did watch you on his Tower 26 podcast]

  • @Lankysprinter
    @Lankysprinter Год назад

    More great content, really interesting and what you’re saying in the pool at the end makes total sense- this data is interesting but not crucial for developing swimmers.

  • @Mirar90
    @Mirar90 Год назад

    You mentioned that you also wanted to find LT1 here Lionel. Did you actually do that? What is your resting lactate? I think you might have started to fast and already missed part of the curve to actually identify LT1, which should be at the first inflection point of the curve

  • @marcoferraris6451
    @marcoferraris6451 Год назад

    Thanks Lionel for sharing

  • @benbos1925
    @benbos1925 Год назад

    Nerdy question alert ! :-)
    Since Swiming is such a technique heavy sport, do the same principals apply like run/bik with regards to these Lt1/2 zones when we are targeting development of different energy systems. Put differently the long easy rund rides are done to develop mitochondrial efficiency and capilary density. Do we also target this in the swim ??
    Or are you, in the swim just looking at the Lactate as a measurable metric to test the efficiency of your technique.

  • @sabra31
    @sabra31 Год назад +1

    Great video ! Thx for sharing. Would love a link to the d max formula

  • @kiwixify3
    @kiwixify3 Год назад

    Really interesting video ! Thanks

  • @mvschooten
    @mvschooten Год назад +1

    How do you use this in your training, are you going to apply the know 80/20 Aerobe/Anaerobe training. So improve your slow muscle fiber and build a bigger aerobe zone, moving LT1 towards LT2?

  • @Robertcotterell
    @Robertcotterell Год назад +1

    Just wondering what his next epiphany will be. Might be time to move to Andorra like a lot of young pros.

  • @edwinhmwong
    @edwinhmwong Год назад +5

    Work on technique is much better than treating swimming as a fitness focus sports

  • @bonn1771
    @bonn1771 Год назад

    More data if needed smart. Looking forward to next test

  • @sefintri
    @sefintri Год назад

    Vlacmax y good test for Glucolitic power vs Aerobic power. Book Jan Olbrectch is good for this concepts, Nice Job LS, good luck in seasion 2024

  • @markscott2259
    @markscott2259 Год назад

    Ok! Lionel Thanks for sharing. I see one issue that is going to be resolved. Lower half of your body is sinking to much. Please keep videoing under water so we can watch the improvements!!

  • @rylanrussell9595
    @rylanrussell9595 11 месяцев назад

    Wow, Lionel seems a lot more grounded than he has in other recent videos. Refreshing.

  • @jeoffreynierding2956
    @jeoffreynierding2956 Год назад +3

    M. SANDERS, Thanks for your video. Data are very important but efficiency comes with a properly technique. Because swimming is a technique activity. Yours is not good enough, you can do much better!!! I wish you the best, god bless you! Jeoffrey NIERDING triathlon coach since 1999.

  • @ironman140.6
    @ironman140.6 Год назад

    Lionel, I have a question... how long is this process to becoming a front-pack swimmer.

  • @darringrey4329
    @darringrey4329 Год назад +2

    Body drag/ efficiency trying to overcome that buy swimming more?? Check the feet on the overhead ankles are locked toes pointing down drag drag

  • @paulmcallister2380
    @paulmcallister2380 Год назад +2

    You ever try keeping that air in the lungs a little long to maintain that buoyancy through your stroke? From under water shot looks like you expel the air (deflate your buoyancy balloons/lungs) too quickly.

    • @ryanclerkin9827
      @ryanclerkin9827 Год назад

      His feet also turn out like giant anchors on his breath stroke

    • @paulmcallister2380
      @paulmcallister2380 Год назад

      Yes I hope Lionel doesn’t think we are being Negative or be armchair coaches. I’m just trying to observe and if I can give feedback from things I’ve learned then hopefully it can help in some way. Love how he shares and is so transparent!!

  • @MultiWhatever1001
    @MultiWhatever1001 11 месяцев назад +1

    First few seconds I thought Lionel went fishing

  • @heikkisanelma6625
    @heikkisanelma6625 Год назад

    hope you stick with it, make the tests to track progress and program your training... BLA testing is not useless, this just told to everyone that you have swim biomecanichal efficiency problem at hard efforts that limits you producing propulsion in same projection with your exerted effort... ofcourse for any one you basically just need timer and distance and do the pace per distance curve or power per duration curve to basically get the same outcomes of ones physiological status and sport spesific economics and thus make the plans to hone those sport spesific demands.... but its all for nothing if the testing is sprodiatic...

  • @blainetaylor2272
    @blainetaylor2272 Год назад

    Love this stuff!

  • @DanEvo21
    @DanEvo21 9 месяцев назад

    The last 400 being max effort
    125bpm is your max hr or near too it ?!
    Is the whoop accurate without a hr strap ?

  • @GordonA-Jr
    @GordonA-Jr Год назад

    Dang Lionel you look shredded and ripped!!! How about a bud on your nutrition and hydration. Plus do you do any strength training as a part of your regular routine?

    • @GordonA-Jr
      @GordonA-Jr Год назад

      Oops how about a video on nutrition

  • @TheDomLouis
    @TheDomLouis Год назад

    I really do hope you go back to lactate training. The science is used by world professional cycling teams and some of the best runners, from middle distance to marathons and now triathlon and beyond for a very good scientific reason.
    Its one part of the marginal gains at the pointy end of endurance sports!!

  • @brentcharlton1065
    @brentcharlton1065 Год назад

    Gainzzzzz to be had! Go get ‘‘em Sir!

  • @abuckeye26
    @abuckeye26 Год назад

    Looking more ripped than normal Lionel, looks like the healthy diets working

  • @TheRealRoch108
    @TheRealRoch108 Год назад +4

    Dude....Lactate doesn't matter unless you fix your stroke. 80% drills

    • @gtkona1608
      @gtkona1608 Год назад +1

      Three decades ago when I was WAY into triathlon, 29 times racing in Kona, I had the good fortune to interact with several excellent swimmers. A Top collegiate swimmer, he could cruise at 1:00 per 100y, described a week long swim camp: Hours per day, technique only. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

    • @TheRealRoch108
      @TheRealRoch108 Год назад

      @@gtkona1608 Yep...I made OT cuts as a teenager & swam at Indiana University in the 80's. (quit after a year cause I was winning $$ racing bikes) Freestyle wasn't my best stroke but I still could go 45 flat for 100 and 139 for a 200 and slip under 4;30 for 500. We swam 40-60K per week and during "hell weeks" we came close to 100k. More than 1/2 is technique and drills. technique is EVERYTHING

  • @juliaflorida
    @juliaflorida Год назад +1

    This test distance was in yard, not meter, right?

  • @cyruse7027
    @cyruse7027 Год назад +1

    Hmm, honestly looks like you measured LT1, not LT2....But would have been good to see a resting value and then maybe 1 extra "easy" value just to get the baseline set correctly.
    Edit: just realized he was calculating Dmax, so technically that's neither LT1 or 2!

  • @andreaswolff2010
    @andreaswolff2010 Год назад +2

    Are there no 50 m pools ?

  • @oneflyg35
    @oneflyg35 Год назад

    Would be curious to see lactate levels if this 6x400 was done in reverse. Meaning do the faster set first, and then slower with each repeating 400.

    • @duniaz385
      @duniaz385 Год назад

      or ... all 400s at aprox. same speed

  • @smann3553
    @smann3553 Год назад

    Is there pontential of you getting faster?

  • @jonathanstpb
    @jonathanstpb Год назад

    Great video!

  • @samholder196
    @samholder196 Год назад

    interesting -- and, it seems, sound -- analysis on lactate on a developing swimmer. So the key is technique work?

  • @eitanshushu
    @eitanshushu Год назад +2

    lactate is fitness. weak swimmers should focus on technique, its much more efficoent in terms of speed improvement.

  • @NeilGanshorn
    @NeilGanshorn Год назад

    Should you also be finding a threshold level while wearing a wetsuit? Otherwise training may not correlate with race pacing. Then again, you can’t train how swim drafting will affect your LT…

  • @stephenhandel5565
    @stephenhandel5565 Год назад +1

    Why don’t you just swim more open water, if you feel you’re not fast enough in an open water race?

  • @QUALIT_LEAP
    @QUALIT_LEAP 9 месяцев назад

    lt2 to 2 mmol? And what happens with lt1? Where is lt1?

  • @ironmantooltime
    @ironmantooltime Год назад

    If u swim and 800 and a 1500 below LT do you stay below LT?

  • @AntonKomarov
    @AntonKomarov Год назад +1

    I know a guy who can help you get to another level.. take him as swim partner 👌🏼 and you’ll see the difference.

  • @blinzi69
    @blinzi69 Год назад

    hows your aero testing going?

  • @user-ur5vw1gi4v
    @user-ur5vw1gi4v Год назад +6

    Honestly you should simply learn & train the basics. 2:30 to 2:40 is horrible to watch. Most 14yo kids in my club swim better and faster than that. Considering they have probably les than half your muscle and heart capacity I think improving your technic is the best and probably only way to get a breaktrough.
    A guy in his 30's in my club swim around 10k per week max and do only technical sessions. He swims 1:10/100m endurance. He does butterfly, swims drills, one arm crawl etc... He made 4th in his first Iron Man quebec 3 years ago. Swim is definetely different than running and cycling.
    Simple opinion.

  • @cdnnurse01
    @cdnnurse01 Год назад

    If you get frustrated and want to go back out on your own, say these over in your head, "As an athlete you have to be coachable, and being coachable is a humbling thing."

  • @rubynette
    @rubynette Год назад

    LT1 IS AROUND 2 + OR - 0.5 AND LT2 IS AROUND 4 + OR - 0.5. I AM SUPRISE TO SEE LT2 AT 2 ON YOUR CHART ???

    • @marcgraveline1771
      @marcgraveline1771 Год назад +1

      There are many interpretations of what LT1 and LT2 mean. But a common definition is LT1 is a measurable increasing over resting levels and LT2 is when lactate production will outpace lactate clearance and lactate will accumulate. For many people LT2 is around 4 mmol/l but not everyone and certainly not elite athletes. Different methods of interpretation are valid, but best is to use one method and stick to it for comparisons over time.

  • @CoachGareth
    @CoachGareth 4 месяца назад

    Can you please explain how you come up with the comment "this explains why lactate is of very little value to a developing swimmer". It baffles me but I'm open to your input and knowledge here..... I've been lactate testing endurance athletes of ALL abilities for many years and (just as in cycling and running), high lactate levels at low performance outputs are indicative of under-developed aerobic systems. Low lactate at high outputs (like in your test) show under-development of the Anaerobic energy systems. So for age-groupers lactate testing is VITAL otherwise they just slog away in masters workouts never developing their base endurance (from training at constantly high lactate levels) and therefore never get faster. Through lactate testing "developing swimmers" learn to train more accurately. As @haucks rightly said, one of your limiters is a poorly developed anaerobic system that is limiting how well your "hybrid" metabolism is working in the water. I hope you train that correctly in the coming months. Best of luck.

  • @carolyncroxall1362
    @carolyncroxall1362 Год назад

    Chill people … he is working on technique …He’s taking a baseline , working on technique then going to compare

  • @thepatternforms859
    @thepatternforms859 Год назад +4

    No clue how anyone uses those form goggles. Visibility is garbage! Like looking through two coke bottles. Worst goggles I’ve ever used

  • @bretgreenfield9501
    @bretgreenfield9501 Год назад +1

    Just going to say this,,,the elevation view says it all, the view where I am looking directly down on your stoke, kinda looks like a turtle, that's hurt, no glide at all, it's like this, you think wind tunnel is going to make you faster on the bike,,,well water is like way more finicky then wind, so you really need to find someone like me, because what you are practicing, is all wrong, the more you swim like this, the worst you will be, it's a golfer who's sing is off, no matter how much you practice, it must be correct, or it's a waste off time,

  • @beachedbeluga
    @beachedbeluga Год назад +2

    you need trechnique work not lactate testing

  • @victorantunes3743
    @victorantunes3743 Год назад +1

    where is this pool??

  • @andrewmetcalfe9898
    @andrewmetcalfe9898 Год назад

    OK - to keep banging on a drum: to swim in the ‘Ditlev’ pack in a PTO or 70.3 Chmapionship race you need to swim at that target pace in training - for long reps - consistently (ie. once a week). You have done this before - 1:15 minutes per 100M for 1500M (long course pool) back before covid.
    You are correct - at this stage in the season physiological metrics are irrelevant (ie. I would NOT care if your lactate was 10, so long as you were hitting you pace marks because - as one of the fittest people on the planet - once your body adapts to the biometrics of swimming ‘fast’ (by Triathlon standards, which is still very very slow by swimming standards), your physiology will catch up rapidly.
    Even at this early stage in the season, you could do a lot worse than incorporating the following session in to your weekly routine (this the the key session that turned Aussie Pro Chris Kemp into a 3rd pack - 27 minute swimmer - into a front pack - 23 minute swimming at 70.3 races a decade ago [and in only a matter of months]:
    Main set: 8 x 100M on 1:15 pace (start off with a 2 minute /100M repeat cycle, but decrease this with increases in fitness over time]; 200M swim down; followed by
    4 x 200M on 2:30 (so holding your target 1:15M/100M pace); 200M cool down; followed by
    2 x 400M on 5 minutes.
    Given that lactate test, you may well end to increase the interval time, or the recovery time between each of these three components that comprise the main set. But remember, this set is not about being ‘hard’ or ‘threshold’ (although it will hurt). This is about speed: sustained target race pace speed. Also do this session in a long course pool. I know there is one in your home town!

  • @joshpain349
    @joshpain349 Год назад

    Elite swimming for most age groupers… think about this swim data when you think of Lionel as someone who sucks at swimming.
    Yes, it’s relative to pro’s…
    But most people who watch probably think he is shit.

  • @sambrown1779
    @sambrown1779 Год назад +5

    More time wasted.
    Use the stopwatch. Forget the lactate

  • @Clauds43
    @Clauds43 Год назад

    Comparing pro endurance athlete to us mere mortals can be seen with his average HR

  • @sjdj3000
    @sjdj3000 10 месяцев назад +1

    Lots of drag and swimming with strength not technique.

  • @Bockeylife
    @Bockeylife Год назад

    🤔pool

  • @pavanatanaya
    @pavanatanaya Год назад

    Triathlon Inc has failed its athlete development...
    The Norwegians have surpassed Tri Inc

  • @bretgreenfield9501
    @bretgreenfield9501 Год назад +1

    And no, power is above the water,,,like hitting or spiking a volleyball, or even hitting a golf ball, lol you are being taught all wrong

  • @WhatIsAge
    @WhatIsAge Год назад +2

    Again.... too much talk.

  • @rylanrussell9595
    @rylanrussell9595 11 месяцев назад

    Jesus, his LT2 heart rate is significantly lower than my easy heart rate lol

  • @cbandyxxx
    @cbandyxxx Год назад +1

    No offence, but why not spend the time having swim lessons

  • @than9350
    @than9350 Год назад

    Awesome video!