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Something else that I’m not sure if you knowAmanda Overton, one of the writers, had commented on Twitter that Jinx had friends, plural, and said we can’t know who they are yet, adding another level to some of your theories.
I don't even think the airship thing is a stretch -- like saying it will definitely happen obv is but there's nothing wrong with having that theory. On the other hand, I think your reasoning about Vi's voice in the trailer is definitely a stretch. She can easily be talking about Jinx's terrorist attack lol, like there's a lot of emotional intensity surrounding that especially Vi's relationship with the perpetrator so I don't see why it wouldn't be enough for her to cry. Also that's assuming she even is crying. Vi doesn't really sound like Vi in the trailer, and I'm guessing the lines for the teaser trailer were recorded long after the lines for the actual episodes so the VA could be out of practice. It's a small thing so I don't think the level of analysis of 'She's definitely crying here' is warranted, let alone the reasoning for why it has to be someone close to her getting hurt
I think the “no one else needs to get hurt” line is referring to Jinx’s attack on Piltover, as Caitlyn’s mother was inside that meeting room, and will most likely be one of the characters to die from that attack. I imagine Vi would feel an insane amount of guilt towards Jinx doing this, especially considering her bond with Caitlyn at this point.
or.. alternatively it could also mean, that only 1 person needs to get hurt, and that person being Jinx, coz if Jinx dies, everyone else is saved, in a way...
@@lalystar4230 jinx is in the game plus through everything in season 1 Vi still never even raised her voice to her in a mean way, only ever tried to get back or help. I highly doubt she’d do smth to jeopardize Jinx much less kill her/get her killed.
I actually don’t think Cassandra will die. Put in a coma, severely injured, and out of commission for a while yes, but I think there’s more storytelling potential with keeping her alive than killing her outright and making Caitlyn the next member of a huge cast of orphans/broken families. I trust the writers, and so so far they have shown they don’t take the easy path in storytelling Cassandra dying is easy. It’s expected. Her dying vs nearly dying and being out of commission would achieve the same narrative purpose of guilt ridding Vi and scaring the shit out of Caitlyn and potentially exploring a dark/grief ridden side of her that tests her morals and values. Where nearly dying has more advantages and variability, in my opinion, is that you can have more obstacles for Caitlyn and Vi. Caitlyn’s character still gets to be tested, then she gets relief finding out her mother will make it, but now Cassandra, who just voted for Zaun’s independence but was nearly killed for it, backpeddles and returns to being a hardliner (freeing Caitlyn to choose to be just as hardlined, or be a foil) She’s already been shown to be overprotective, and could get in the way of Cait and VI’s goals in different ways for the sake of protecting Piltover/her daughter. Cass surviving means Cait can now resolve the tension between her and her parents. The end state is them finally accepting Cait’s life choices rather than railroading them. Probably coinciding with her finally becoming Sherrif. That’s much harder if Cass is totes dead and Papa Tobias is consumed by grief and even higher fear of losing his daughter too Relatedly, Vi needs a damn hug and family. I would love to see a simultaneous minor storyline developing where she slowly gets accepted into the Kirraman household, a stable home like she’s never had since childhood, which could lead to all sorts of internal conflict of her losing her connection to the undercity by circumstance and feeling like an outsider on both sides, torn up feelings around interacting with a kind father like Tobias, or strained interactions with Cassandra Alternatively, Cass surviving and being a foil by backpedaling to her overprotective tendencies could highlight the oil and water question between the gal pals. Will Cait, after nearly losing her mother, cave to the pressure of doing what’s expected of her/choosing piltover or family over Vi? Can Vi even fit into Cait’s life when her sister nearly killed Cait’s mother and best friend and half the council? Would Vi let herself? Will the Kirraman family even want her around while she has to work with Cait? Where does Vi even belong now since she’s so far removed from the undercity and her sister? There’s also the lore C storyline: this would be harder to introduce if Cait’s mom is dead, and it’s likely to be somewhat set up because it involves another chembaron that S2 could take advantage of introducing. There’s a lot of characters and a lot of storylines to balance, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Cass does die, just disappointed, cuz it’s easy. But I think there’s a lot more you could have peppered in the background with keeping her alive, and so far the writers have found ways to connect and overlap multiple storylines together beautifully
Me too, especially in a non confrontational manner. Maybe like: "so you were the one who caused all this" -Viktor¨ "..." "Why" -Viktor "hmpf *followed by a grin*" - Jinx Something like that maybe, it would just be cool to see jinx not trying to hurt or scare someone in one scene(in exception to her scenes with Silco and Vi)
Viktor: You have been evolved. // Viktor inspecting Jinx abnormal body. Jinx: E-what? // Confused as she always does. Viktor: In more perfect way, more than me. // Still inspecting. Jinx: What are you even talking about!? // Starting to breakdown because she is not understand anything he said. Viktor: Good to see you. // Walk away thinking about how to make a perfect evolution that not cause mutation. Jinx: Make Piltover and Zuan fall into chaos because she has been annoyed.
I feel he would be fascinated by jinx's successful transformation when silco saved her lifebut also be very nervous around here because she is going fully insane
I think Viktor's cult is going to form not directly from him, but inspired by him, and he's just doing his own thing, occasionally looking at the cult and being like, "Okay. Well then. That's there."
@@DarthZ01 ye agreed, as much as I can remember, he always has tried to care and help the people as much as he can in his way, heck I hope we see the idea of blitzcrank in some way
@@d4s0n282 the creation of blitzcrank is something that comes extremely early in viktor's lore, and it sparks the conflict between him and jayce. so i would guess blitzcrank will possibly be present in season 2.
@@niscent_ It used to be between Viktor and Heimerdinger because Heimerdinger stole blitz' blueprints and presented it as his creation, did it change a while back or...?
i hope they address that Sky is missing. Because Viktor never told anyone what happened to her, I think that would also push him to Zaun. If after the bomb attack, they might think that anyone from the undercity is dangerous. Hence, if they find out Viktor got Sky killed, he might be casted out.... And this might lead to something I would be interested to see... in the mix of all the chaos that the attack will brew, if Viktor and Jinx somehow meet at one point.
My prediction: Sky was absorbed by the hexcore. Some of the sounds it makes after her "disappearance" sound vaguely like human screams. I think Sky will BECOME the hexcore, or at least a conduit for it be become sentient.
after being severely injured upon inspection of wounds victor might be found out as abomination, and since he still has stuff that belonged to sky on his person that will paint him as a monster that killed sky. I expect him to suffer some kind of "frankensteins monster" arc in which he, as singed predicted, will be despised by everybody. additionally he might continue his transformation in order to survive, in order to escape or invulantary be saved by the core. also he will have to pick up the hex claw, as it's part of his character ingame.
@@nth256 that could be the karmatic version of how vicktor survives along and becomes a mad scientist. Maybe a sky possession is what the hex core needs to be what vicktor wanted it to be
@@danii7584 Viktor hid Skyes journal in his coat after Jayce had his "am i interrupting?" callback. When Skye was walking through the halls on her way to her doom with Viktor she is practicing her "I've been working on a theory of mine" speech. After her annihilation by the hex-core Viktor looks through her journal and we can see her notes on the "plant dying" problem that Viktor was facing before he got help from Singed. It seems to me that there will be something in Skyes journal that will give Viktor a revelation about how to use the hex-core.
I think Viktor's development into his Mecha form will be one of the most interesting parts of next season, because he's probably the most morally "good" of the main characters by the end of season 1. He realises he's made mistakes, wants to correct them by destroying the Hexcore but is also smart enough to ask Jayce to do it because he doesn't have the willpower to. He was never tempted to use Hextech as a weapon, his focus was always helping people in need. He even seems to turn his back on trying to prolong his own life, at least using the same method he used on his leg.
i wonder if rejecting the hexcore will actually lend to that arc? if it'll feed into his ideology about organic life being flawed and the better alternative being technology. seems a bit far fetched, especially given how they briefly show it has some kind of physical power over his body, just an idea :)
@@wajfan arcane is now confirmed as the canon lore of zaun/Piltover so viktor WILL develop into the machine herald we know. Even if he starts a skeptical he WILL embrace the hexcore and go full cyborg.
Could be more of foreshadowing to be fair. She's on one, she messes up, it goes down in flames. Kinda adding to the foreshadowing rather than being it's fulfilment
I bet it’s Jinx having lost to Vi, and as Vi approaches-preparing to kill her sister-Jinx chuckles at the irony and says…”had to be you. I’m glad it’s you.”
@@Zephirite. It’s insane how many people are quick to saying the two sisters are gonna be killing eachother, lol. Maybe they'll fight, but Vi sure heck isn't giving up on her (that would destroy her entire character, and the writers never take the easy route out of these problems). If Vi DID give up on Jinx, then that goes against the entire theme established in S1 (the unvreakable bonds of love), and spits in the face of her arc. She's not going to abandon her sister again (especially when the show itself condemed her for that decision over and over again). She promised her father that she'd take care of her. The thought of being with her again was all that kept going while she was imprisoned for YEARS. She's stated that she doesn't CARE about the current state of politics between Piltover and Zaun as much as she does reuniting with her sister. She's explicitly stated that NOTHING is going to change how much she loves her. Even though Jinx convinced herself otherwise, Vi never once said or implied that she'd given up. And after all the points I've listed, it makes sense why.
@@DLxxx You’re right; the show has been punishing Vi for abandoning Jinx for a while. The thing is…she DIDN’T abandon her. Marcus kidnapped her; the moral choice of abandonment wasn’t made by Vi, yet it still has lasting consequences. And just as Vi has chosen to seek Powder all these years, Powder has chosen to see herself as Jinx by the end of the season, even if that doesn’t win her her sister’s love. The show’s not just about vindicating VI’s choice, it’s about the tug and pull, the struggle, HAVING to choose, not just overcome obstacles until you get what you want. VI was driven to save Powder until the finale, and still is. But Jinx is equally driven to stay herself. It’s an unstoppable force vs an immovable object, on a collision course where-if they come out alive-their goals will ensure they fight until one is incapacitated. VI’s also shaken at watching her sister and crush almost murder each other, and now she has to choose. When Cait is safe, Vi is free to risk herself to help Jinx. But when Cait and Vi are fighting her, Vi might have to pull a Powder-like move and incapacitate Jinx to save Cait, but accidentally kill her. Vi does her best, but accidents happen regardless of intent (as Powder has shown). Your description of s1 Vi is spot-on. This is the track of guilt playing on loop in VI’s brain. But just as Vander taught Vi to protect Powder, he told her that when others look up to her, “anything that happens is on you.” Vi may logically know that the deaths of so many in Piltover are Jinx’s fault, which will force Vi to make a decision and confront this mindset from S1. We know her love for powder is strong, but jinx isn’t powder anymore, and vi has to reckon with that. Caitlyn’s mom dying will radicalize her even more, Ekko already gave up on Jinx as much as she could. What kind of finale would this be if it didn’t force Vi to reckon with the same monsters that have plagued her sister for so long? When analyzing a story, we look at what’s there. When predicting, we look at WHY it was there. Why would the writers drive home how much Vi cares if they weren’t going to test it’s limits and force her into an impossible choice? Could you imagine an ending where Jinx willingly agrees to not murder anybody, apologizes for her past, and everyone accepts her? Is Arcane really building to the kind of story that gives Vi what she wants at the expense of anyone else’s character?
"Noone else needs to get hurt" can also mean that "if I go alone, only I will get hurt" rather than "someone already got hurt". I think Vi is being protective towards Caitlyn, and her arc will involve learning to accept that Caitlyn wants to help her and that she doesn't have to shoulder the burden alone.
Yeah consider that jinx did already hurt someone in season 1, in the finale to a bunch of important people, it makes sense that she would already close off any risk that could hurt her friend or girlfriend.
I would bet a theme for many of the characters in season will be "The Monster you Created". Some characters have more literal transformations like Warrick, Singed, Viktor. Some will be more metaphorical like Jayce and Jinx. If Vi becomes an enforcer, that can be a monster in her eyes. But the line is "The Monster you Created", sobthe narrative will continue to explore what it was that made these "monsters" what they are.
There are so many characters in league that are legends because of other characters yone cuz yasuo kills him senna cuz thresh kills her rumble cuz of his crush on tristana azir because of xeraths lies renekton cuz of his sacrifice for nasus
Yes! That could actually be quite thematically resonant! Looking back, it was all because of Jinx's choices this season that Vi was pushed to tackle larger societal issues and become closer with Caitlyn (due to the circumstances). Therefore, _"Vi the Enforcer"_ only exist because of Jinx's mistakes and actions against her sister. Jinx made her own worst nightmares a reality. She _forced_ her sister to become her enemy by dismissing her words, and deciding that she was unloved FOR her (and I know, everyone was able to figure that out looking at season 1's ending, but it’s still worth highlighting). This parallels Vi's role in Jinx becoming who she is today, albeit to a lesser extent, since Vi only pushed her sister away once. Still, in the end, their final battle will be all about how they "made eachother this way." "YOU made me become like this!" "This is YOUR fault!" In the end, after they've aired out all of their feelings, they will both HAVE to come to terms with their roles in eachothers downfall. They'll NEED to take accountability for their own choices and move forward with eachother.
If Vi is upset it doesn’t have to be because someone she cares about dies but could be that the death of Caitlyn’s mom threatens her relationship with Caitlyn.
i feel, however, that those lines happened in the same conversation and i cannot imagine that vi is uncharacteristically crying over caitlyn's mother's death but cait's voice is perfectly steady. even if it is guilt cait should be upset too.
@@maks7355 i feel that it makes sense, because Vi knows what it is like to lose a mother, both parents. Seeing the pain Caitlyn is in, Vi and Cait can finally relate to each other, and thinking about the self blame and the love and care Vi has for Cait, this could lead up to both of them having an emotional moment. In the video, it sounds like Caitlyn isn'[t crying, but she could be. We've never seen her cry except for the last scene, where its completely understandable. Even so, considering other scenes where she has come close to crying, Oil and Water rain scene for example, she still sounds calm and collected towards the end of the argument. I think that Cait will unintentionally blame Vi, and Vi will accept it as punishment as she will probably blame herself for being a major part in Jinx firing that nuke as an act of war, and potentially killing Cait's mother, as a person who saw her dead parent(s) as a result of war. This immense guilt for hurting Caitlyn like this could lead her to get really emotional as she will probably remember her parents in the moment too, as well as the fresh wound of Powder going full Jinx mode, would lead her to cry. According to her personality, this would lead her to make the action of separating herself and cleaning up her problems herself, to compensate for potentially killing Cait's mother and to protect her from any other threats Jinx may pose, "I can do this myself... No one else needs to get hurt." Caitlyn, calm and composed, going over what she said and what Vi is saying, investigates, calculates, and tries to figure out the best course to take, and is determined to find a way to make it work for the both of them. In the teaser she said "...if I go after your sister alone, one of us comes back in a box" and thats could either state that she must go alone to reduce damage, or that going alone isn't the best plan to take. Either way, she's probably laying out the options, putting her emotions aside and doing it for justice and the people she cares about first, and Vi might be reluctant to listen because of the guilt. This could lead to Jinx saying "I'm glad its you, had to be you" to either one of them being there. If not, it could be to Warwick, and Vi and Cait could be in the background somewhere, hiding listening and observing. If they weren't there, then Cait may have convinced Vi to not do anything, and after all of these scenarios, Vi would suggest to Caitlyn that she becomes an enforcer to make up for her actions and serve true justice for both Piltover and especially Zaun. This is what I think, sorry that its long lol
The one thing I noticed that wasn’t mentioned is about the hex core. Not how it plays in Viktor’s story, but how [SPOILER] it’s very clearly void magic. In lore, that purple fleshy magic is classic void energy, seen all over wherever the void is found. On top of that, I noticed purple was used as a base color for shimmer, and it seemed to originate from those flowers fed to rio, Singed’s mutant wave rider. The fact that Heimerdinger has seen corrupted hex core magic (he said so when he saw the hex core after Viktor changed it with his blood), Heimer saw it when that magic tragedy (in his flashback) happened, the tragedy (one of the flashback clips) also had that fleshy purple stuff, that singed and Heimer parted ways, and that singed was tending to this purple flower garden is not all coincidence. I feel that moment when Viktor looked into the light of the hex gate was never really addressed as to what exactly caused that, but in lore, the void has a tendency to “reach out” and “call” to people. Furthermore, as you stated, the core seems to have some ability to connect or communicate or something with Viktor’s purple parts. I believe this is somehow going to play into Viktor’s conversion to all metal because the Void is very…fleshy. That Purple hex core literally whispering sweet nothings to Viktor is classic Void theme, and I think story goodness is brimming there. I’m sure there’s more to talk about but that’s as far as I’ve gotten. What’s does anyone else think?
Originally he made hos body mechanical to fight an illness he made blitzcrank to work for zaunites so they didnt have to breathe in the toxic gases but he finds out metal is better than flesh and now wants everyone to be metal
Void is def gonna be the big threat that ties up all the regions in the "avengers endgame" scenario. Hextech is probably probably going to attract the void's attention or something, as well as regions from other seasons having their own void related problems. Protags are gonna team up and go on a Darkest Dungeon type void heart killing expedition.
Honestly I would like this storyline to be 3 seasons. While I like the idea of it ending at season 2 so there’s no worry of it getting cancelled, I think the arcs of each characters are so complex that it needs 3 seasons. Also with all of the money and popularity the show has, I doubt that it would be cancelled after 2 seasons anyway
The difference between this and any other netflix show, is that the whole crew loves and wants to make the best possible ever. What im trying to say is that if they feel like one more season is enough time for the plot and the characters, i trust them. Or that they wont make a season 3 just so they can call it a day. Also i recommend watching TBSkyen Lol Lore expert, made a video about possible Arcane like storylines in league universe, i know everyone would love to see this storyline for 10 more seasons, but telling another story might be the better option, because there are storyes just as good as this one.
I disagree. I think if three seasons are deeicated to Pilotver/Zaun, people will begin to subconsciously relate that locationa nd those characters as being synonymous with Arcane. But the world is vast, the characters/champions broad and diverse. It would be a disservice to stay locked up in one city for three whole seasons when there are so many other stories to tell. The religious conflict in Targos; Noxian on the warpath; the Mage Revolt in Demacia; Bildgewater shenanigans; the return of Shurima. These are just a few examples. Two seasons in Piltover gives up a beginning and an end. We don't rush character's stories but we also don't lag around. And who knows, there could potentially be crossovers down the line.
I am SO excited for Victor's arc! Like, from the first moment he was introduced in Arcane, him being one of my fav champs I was hyped. And after they gave him so much of a personality I am even more so.
I think we can expect a lot more character development from Vi this season. She didnt seem to change much from the beginning of the first season to the end, almost 7 years, and shes been the same person. This is not necessarily a bad thing, she is stubborn and intense with her loyalty to the people she cares about, but this stunt in growth is probably due to trauma. We forget that even though Jinx has had a lot happen to her, Vi has too. She saw her parents being murdered as a child and then the entirety of her foster family, and constantly experienced the guilt she felt due to abandoning her sister. We havent seen how all of this has affected her yet, and I'm expecting a big breakdown from Vi the next season, a scene where she lets her shield down and stops trying to give off that strong-front. I think the thing with Cait will also get a lot more complicated, Caitlyn feels betrayed, she lost her mother, she failed at her mission at getting at Silco, lost her boss, and all the foundation and reality she was brought up with. She might have been lenient with Vi concerning Jinx at first, but I doubt shes going to show any mercy at all now. Vi will have to choose between one of the only two people she loves, and I dont think she'll be able to do this with the same "bravery" and "courage" shes shown before. In addition to all of this, I think the scene in the third where Vander took shimmer, in his disgruntled form Vi looked at him and was scared and uncomfortable as to see what he has become. This has to add even more pressure and complications to what team she has to choose, she has to have the worst kind of psychological dilemma to see her once-dead pacifist father figure as violent wolf-man, how will she have the power to even fight him, and same concerning Jinx, her past is her biggest strength and weakness, and we'll have to see if she overcomes it or not.
Yeah that was one of my thoughts too, girl has literally been tortured for 7 years and you're telling me that didn't leave any stain at all ? I call bullshit
I think its worth noting that "semi-crazed science cult leader" is *not* what Viktor is in LoL, its everyones perception of him. LoL Viktor has nothing to do with the crazy body mod cult that was created in his name. He made Blitzcrank to help people and he (rightfully) sees "human error" as the most common cause of tragedy and is seeking to correct it. He wants to help people but prudes like Jayce see his methods as crazy because they dont understand the reality of living in Zaun.
I’d argue that he is semi-crazed and at his worst approaches a cult-like mindset, though he’s retained enough self-control not to become an actual cult leader. He’s a likable and sympathetic character with good intentions, which has resulted in people over-sympathizing with his actual actions (similar to how some fans view Silco). Jayce and Viktor’s LoL bios both clearly utilize unreliable narration. Viktor thinks that saving/improving people justifies the means and this allows him to freely help others but also results in disregard for safety and consequence, Jayce does not and this retards his ability to help people but also allows for reasonable safeguards. His quotes are a bit outdated, but even in the Arcane-influenced Legends of Runterra he speaks like a supervillain and espouses his “Glorious Evolution” though he doesn’t force it on others. He gives a kid and attempts to give divers mind-altering devices, which may be helpful in some situations but overrides essential biological warnings. (Just make a diver robot, don't fuck with people's brains.) That’s cult-like behavior. Viktor has improved his consent issues by the time of “House on Emberlift Alley,” but from the Factorywood spill in his bio, if consent can’t be given he may still operate and at the end of the day, he’s more obsessed with saving than concerned about means (armed robbery and attempted murder, brain removal) and quality of life (not dead, but with questionable personhood). Everyone knows his ‘solutions' “often [bring] unexpected consequences” (which sounds like the unreliable narrator trying to put spin on a worse adjective) and only the desperate seek his help. Arguably the severity of Viktor’s treatment of the Factorywood victims (so bad he had to remove their brains from their bodies and leaving them mindless enough to obey commands like “kill him”) may have saved the chem-spill victim’s from death, but still would have left them shells of their former selves, possibly in a drone-like state just above being braindead. The bio even admits that his methods “would save these people - in a manner of speaking,” implying that that salvation might not actually be desirable. While Jayce was wrong to attack without listening to an explanation, Viktor’s treatment was not humane, ethical, or possibly even wanted. It was like forcing a dying person (ie. late stage cancer, severe Alzheimers/dementia, unbearable physical pain) to live when euthanasia might be kinder, which of course Viktor can’t relate to as he himself chose to live no matter the cost. Basically fans (I'm a fan, but also playing devil's advocate) are producing a romanticized representation of him and I think this dilutes what makes the character interesting. He’s not actually ‘right’ or ‘good,’ he’s an extremist who, like many extremists, thinks he’s right and aims to do good. Same for Jayce. This is exactly why they are in conflict: they both think they’re right, but actually need to tone it down and compromise. This is also why Ekko, our reasonable third party, can’t stand either of them: they're two opposite extremes. *Also, a version of Factorywood would be a great Vader “NO!” moment. In his anger, he ordered his own patients to kamikaze themselves.
So! You are not wrong, BUT there’s also externalities not in his lore. He is being changed into a non-flesh form, but it’s also different his armored, plated form in LoL. I’d argue his transformation is coded similarly to the Void, given the symbolism when his blood mixes with the Hexcore. The Void would also make sense as an origin of the tragedy that Heimerdinger was traumatized by, *and* it would make sense that the Hexcore would have a desire to be used, to expand the influence of Void in the world. With that framework, suddenly we have a group who could easily function as a uniting enemy against Noxus. Noxus may be warmongers, intent on conquest, but they do not intend on consuming all life.
Yea his lines are just really outdated, he has no mentions of any of the Zaun or Piltover characters, though they might change it once season 2 arrives so as not to spoil the show.
@@jansonshrock2859 Oh yes, a motive to improve humanity, and by their choice, and to eradicate death. What a villainous motive. Fuck, the dude doesn't even force it on people. He does literally nothing evil.
I'd love for the show to introduce the audience to "who Warwick is" or "Warwick being awoken" with an episode starting with a flashback of what happened between Silco and Vander, then BOOM Warwick. I really hope they keep giving us some flashbacks in Season 2, like stuff that happened during the timeskip.
I'd rather it be a bit more subtle. I would just love the audience seeing a cyborg werewolf and wondering "what the..." only for the slow realization to sink in.
it would be great to see more time skip stuff, esp since they had to cut scenes for time ! like they said they expanded on why jinx called ekko the boy savior with a whole scene about how they grew to distrust each other while vi was in prison and that was all cut out :(
I d like to see a Vi / Sevika reconciliation as while vicious opponents there seem to be some kind of mutual respect as fighters just underneath the surface.
6:20 What? You're forgetting a crucial hint here I think. Caitlyn's mother was about to die at the end of season 1. It clearly means Caitlyn is trying to get revenge on Jinx to the point where one of them is unavoidably going to die unless anyone else impedes it, or thus she feels. And I think Vi's answer is related to the same conversation, and not another that they could have possibly put together with this, like it's done in many trailers. She doesn't want to see Caitlyn consumed by vengeance and neither wants to see her sister or her "good friend" hurt. And that's why Caitlyn wants to go after her. I don't think that necessarily implies that Jinx is in Narnia or something xD. Cait's mother got hurt, probably died, and Vi doesn't want the same for Caitlyn.
@@bizzapandare1209 Yeah but they've already changed quite a lot, and this conversation and where things are heading... It doesn't make sense to me that Cassandra survives. She's a disposable character. Most people don't like her, she serves the plot better dead than alive and someone has to die. As we know at least a couple of characters in that room must survive, the rest has to die in order not to make the scene look futile. Cassandra is a given for me.
@@kaijingarou6526 Maybe. I offer an alternative theory. SPOILER.......maybe.... Cassandra and Mel survive, but their bodies get majorly fucked up. Then Caitlyn's mother becomes augmented and undergoes major character development. The gold plating on Mel are actually augmentations. Her relationship with the Ferros clan was already hinted earlier in the season
@@kaijingarou6526 Contrary to what everyone else seems to think, the show doesn't deviate from the source material as much everyone thinks it does. The show doesn't upend the intial lore. It just alters details. But it still follows the main beats. SPOILER-ish: Caitlyn's parents don't die this way. That's all I'll say on the matter And Mel being augmented makes a helluva lot more sense than it being Solari armour, as some others have suggested
I believe the line where Vi states "no one else needs to get hurt", she's referring to Caitlyn's mom who likely dies in the blast because I think that's pivotal to Caitlyn's arc. Her mom dying both allows her to rejoin the Enforcers, but also gives her the much needed reason to join them that Grayson was referring to in her flashback when she asked a young Caitlyn what reason is she's shooting for.
22:04 - Is anyone else interested in seeing the new dynamic between Jinx and Sevika? I find the potential to flesh out the both of them to be really exciting for season 2; namely Jinx's approach to forming relationships. Currently Jinx's relationships are extremely polarizing, she's either completely indifferent (Cait, Mylo, etc.), or unhealthily attached (Young Vi, Silco). She pretty much has a blank slate of relationships at the end of S1 which definitely gives her the chance to grow as a character since it wouldn't make sense for her to latch on to the first person she sees. But most importantly they she happens to have a lot in common with Sevika at the time (their link to Silco, consumption of Shimmer and its effects, and perhaps their attempts to get clean are just a few of them). I'm mainly hoping for Jinx to be able to learn healthier approaches to her attachments to other people. And I think Sevika is not only the most likely person but the best one to show her this since I really can't see Sevika to babying her like Vi/Silco did, but I also don't expect her to kick Jinx to the kerb after the death of their leader perhaps out of respect for Silco - at least until she finds out how Silco died.
I find Jinx and Sevika's relationship really interesting, no idea which way it's gonna go. On the surface level they seem to hate each other, but they are on the same side fighting for Zaun. Crazy to think, Sevika has probably been the most consistent person in Jinx's life. I could see Jinx growing to trust Sevika
@@user-yh8li2tm8g I agree, and thanks for the response! It would be a great opportunity for Sevika to grey the lines with how Jinx forms relationships so they aren't frequently based on toxic attachment or cruel pococurante, but an acquaintanceship based on the mutual respect between both characters given what they've been through, and what they're fighting for. I could also imagine Jinx potentially helping Sevika with her fragile arm prosthetic, opening up another plot point about Jinx's potential to FINALLY help people with her talents, while also showing Sevika the benefits of forming relationships that aren't directly related to the advancement of her desires. I'm definitely postulating excessively here but I can't help but see it as a waste of material to not flesh out their relationship. :3 :)
That's an interesting take. I honestly think Sevika holds a lot of disdain for Jinx and seems to see her as more a liability than anything else. Sevika respects and stays loyal to strength through and through - Jinx, as we and Sevika know her, is too unstable to make a good leader/partner. So I totally believe she would kick Jinx to the curb and be done with her like she wanted to in the first place("She's a problem and we all know it"). I also think word would travel fast about how Silco died. But I _really_ hope I'm 100% wrong, because I believe Sevika could actually be a good(.... Relatively) influence on Jinx. Like you said, she wouldn't be babied! What a twist would it be if Sevika were the one to push Jinx into finally confronting her trauma?😭👌 Sevika definitely knows about what haunts Jinx - she saw and understood how she froze up and lost it during that first fight scene. She also unfortunately knows just which buttons to press to hurt her( like calling her a jinx and saying Vi replaced her)
@@no.6377 Definitely, I think S1 has effectively displayed the weaknesses and that Jinx possesses, and even though it is itself a triumph for "Vi's sister" to accept that she is Jinx and not Powder, it's also a more-than-fair take to say that there are components about herself that she should want to work on even if Silco may praise them. I'm thinking that S1 answers the question about "who Jinx is", but I think S2 will likely answer the question about "who Jinx can be?" both for herself and potentially for other people. I'd find there would be little point for her arc if writers were to reaffirm the "Jinx is a Jinx" trend that's dominated S1, so while I can see her being ejected from any relationships in at the beginning of S2 for killing Silco, it would definitely be her rock bottom, meaning things could only improve for her arc from there. Thanks for replying by the way!
Maybe Sevika will bow her head to Jinx?? She said before that she wouldn't be tempted to betray Silco with that dumbass with gold teeths but what about the person that was able to make Silco's dream true? It may also continue the way that the fights with Vi had been (first fight: Sevika "barely wins" with the shimer arm, second: Vi wins with the Hex Tech gloves). This third fight, with Jinx upgrades, she wins over Vi (maybe Warwick came in the end letting Sevika fight the man she betray and said it was weak, showing her how strong he really is. It will also be very important to Vander because if she wouldn´t betray him, the story wouldn´t be the same) i also try to see it like in a direct fight. Vi vs Sevika in a fist fight and Cait and Jinx in a shooting match. Sevika quitting smoking may come after that final fight
To me Ekko's arch is obvious when you look at who he becomes in LoL lore: He tries to convince Heimerdinger throughtout season 2, to help him create time travel, so that they can change the past and "save everyone". Obviously that won't work, but to me Ekko's season 1 arch tells us that he wants to honor the past and that the friends lost live on with their memories and the way they honour them. That to me translates into "wanting to see them again" thus Z-drive is eventually created, so I'd expect to see a prototype of it developed during this season. And some type of "well, it's theoretically possible to go back that far and save them all... but..." moment where we see Ekko's character growth as in letting the past go.
This only sort-of thematically fits with the Ekko we've been given/seen throughout schnee's videos - the storyline of Ekko is that he is present-focused, rather than past or future focused like many other characters. He is always "the third option". I don't see a character conflict of him trying to change the past unless something in Act 1 of Season 2 completely flips his morals on their head.
I don’t know League lore at all, just some bits and pieces I’ve been curious about, so I’m just gonna throw it out there. When we see Ekko in Episode 1 of Act 3, he talks about how many people they’ve lost, and how most of the deaths were caused by Silco and, therefore, Jinx. Later during that episode, we see a fight between him and Jinx, where he sees Powder in her. So, like, there’s clear connection between them (I know there’s a voice line regarding that in the game, but the show’s a little different). And now that Jinx shot the rocket at the council, which will most likely kill everyone except for Jayce, Victor and, potentially, Mel, it’s clear a war will start and everything bad that comes with it will follow. I think that’s gonna be the whole conflict of Ekko, where he sees how AWFUL everything is now, not Silco-level of awful but even worse. He’ll probably learn somehow that Jinx was the one to cause all that, and since there’s still this kind of connection between them, he’ll try to fix it by creating the Z-Drive and going back in time to try and fix what happened to her. But he’ll eventually fail and accept that he can’t change the past, so he can only try and change the future.
@@tofupowda That could be part of the story, he tries desperately to create a machine that travels back but only manages something that can take him a few seconds back
What I want most out of season 2 is for a certain yordle to cross Jinx's path. It's time for Jinx to get a real friend and nobody would be better than Ziggs.
I just noticed that ppl's usee names are "I love you!!" And "haha yuck". I know that has nothing to do with the discussion but I found that funny. Lol. ( I also find it interesting what may happen with JInx... And what Ekko's arc will be).
Yk. After coming back to this and watching arc 1 for season 2 finally, I have a sudden feeling there may be a duality between Ambessa and Vander. They both are represented of the wolf, and whereas Ambessa’s personality shifts to one, Vander actually BECOMES one. And yet despite their looks, Vander (Warwick) is more human in personality while Ambessa is only human in looks. And Ngl…I kinda get the vibe a fight between herself and Warwick could occur. A battle of wolves.
They didn't say P&Z will be only 2 seasons, could be 3 aswell. WW doesnt have to be saving Vi, he could be a threat to Vi. I don't expect him to have Vander's memories, or much of them anyways. Arcane loves subverting expectations Champion predictions: blitzcrank, Viktor's creation, kinda like his sidekick, his protector, his physical strength. Orianna, likely Singed's daughter.
@@user-gx6tu3mf4k for me defenitly Oriana, Camille, Urgot defenitly would make sense giving that he was sent to Zaun by Noxus (I wonder if we will see some Noxus assasins working for Mel's mom like Katarina, Samira or Talon), Renata Glasc (Finn talking about bigger fish than Silco and after that we are getting getting a chemtech baron? Defenitly sus) and maybe we will see also Zeri
I like to think it will be 3 seasons in Piltover/Zaun as well. Fortiche was very formalistic about the 3 act structure for season 1, releasing the episodes in 3 batches of 3. I can totally see them continuing that so that Season 1 is just Act 1 of a larger 3 season Trilogy with each season being 9 episodes released in 3 batches of 3.
One point of disagreement: Jayce's arc didn't end with him no longer seeing himself as young or green. In fact, his big argument for why Zaun should be given independence was that *no one* in the council or from piltover had the experience or knowledge or the ability to help Zaun. Only the actual people of Zaun can help Zaun. His arc ended in him acknowledging that he doesn't, and never will, have everything figured out. Jayce is constantly changing his beliefs throughout the story whenever he's pressured to go the other way. His flip-floppyness is a manifestation of the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing and so is very easily convinced to do what others tell him to do. Not to say I don't think Jayce won't "become the warhawk". More specifically I think his arc in season 2 will be about really solidifying his ideals and standing by his decisions instead of existing in this continuous flux state where he doesn't actually know what he's doing. This was something that was kind of developing in Season 1 already, since the decision to give Zaun independence is the one big time he makes a decision like this not only without external pressure, but actually going against the external convictions of Vi who is still pushing for violence. So he may start out looking for war, but I think he will be at inner conflict about how he should stand which will be resolved at the end of the season, probably with him siding with Mel (regardless of the state of their relationship at the end of the season).
I think maybe its going to be him going headstrong double down on hunting for jinx but with the rest of the council dead it will leave pitlover near leaderless.
Well put, I felt this video acts like Jayce is more one dimensional or more of a bad person than he really is. Even though it would make sense, I hate the idea of him going to war after developing so much empathy for the people of Zaun and realizing how awful it would be. But I trust the writers will handle it or any of the characters progression well.
@@noahmclaughlin7921jayce IS one dimensional really, and I think his next arc is going to be him developing a spine. Jayce is very wishy washy and easily manipulated. He cannot stick with pretty much anything and has to be coerced into all of his decisions. In season one he was just a big guy with a big head and little agency. In season 2 I think we will see him making his own (probably huge) decisions and that this will be the final straw with mel and/or viktor. (their relationship will come to an inevitably messy end as we know viktor and jayce despise eachother in lol) The question for me is who gets hex tech/piltover in the divorce.
I love that Swain is in your character predictions. A scene that possibly supports this is when Jinx goes back to her childhood arcade/hideout, and callously shoots the bird. Crows and ravens are present in League, crows for Fiddlesticks, ravens for Swain. It could have been a crow, but I highly doubt Fiddlesticks would be there just to watch Jinx lose a boxing match against herself. Swain, however, gathers intelligence from his ravens. It could be entirely possible that he's been watching Zaun from afar, realizing that either Silco or Jinx could be a catalyst that gives him what he wants. The possible downside to this theory is where in the timeline this falls according to cannon League lore(which has already been confirmed to not really matter for Arcane, but it's something). Swain only has his raven powers after the first invasion of Ionia, and during that invasion, horrific chemical attacks were made by none other than Singed. So if the raven watching/getting shot is Swain's, the first few waves of invasion have already hit Ionia and Singed is a bonafide war criminal who has committed heinous crimes against humanity. It could also mean that the girl Ambessa killed in front of Mel was Ionian, and not only that, she could have been one of Irelia's siblings.
I really like this theory. also I have a feeling that they're saving fiddlesticks for a demacia plot later down the track. not having it be a character, but having it as an antagonistic force being a dangerous nuisance to everyone running around causing problems.
Singed is likely in Zaun because of his status as a war criminal. Otherwise, Swain is watching Zaun precisely because he needs help with the invasion, and we move into s3 with those two going to Ionia.
I wish it was a crow just so I could see Fiddlesticks. I don't play League, but he seems like an awesome character, and I'd love to see him. But Swain is probably the more likely option.
Swain uses the ravensto spy on people and feed on the dead when they feed they take peoples memories which is why he knows every secret about everyone the only person close to the tacticalness of swain is leblanc cuz she’s centuries old can clone herself and can mimic anyones appearance shes also the leader of the black rose cult in noxus the one that overthrew mordekaiser revived sion and untombed xerath and renekton
I don't think Jinx's and Vi's final act will be their ultimate separation. I think their final act will be to confront the past together, which as you said Warwick will help them with in some way or another. Also, although jinx rejected her sister in the end, I don't think she completely let her go. There are just some people in Jinx's life that she's not willing to give up, in life or death. We see this in the fact that she has these puppets and reminders of the people she thought of her family that she puts in her hideaways, or whatever she considers home. And ultimately that's Powder's biggest virtue, she loves her family, weather it be Silco, Vi, even trash talking Mylo. So I think the 2nd season will in some way highlight her biggest virtue, and confront that virtue with her flaws. Like she did throughout the first season, but this time in her isolation from the world, and her seperation from Silco, she might look more inwards. And ultimatly she will finally trust her sister or be consumed in madness. And whatever the outcome may be, it will also be her sister who contributes to it.
I hope the sisters reconnect and have a happy ending. As much as it pained but also joyed me on what happened in the story, i want a happy ending. Theyre sad! Pls! And yeah Vi will contribute on what'll happen, good or bad. And Jinx didnt hate/leave her family, she still loved them, she still cares, she seeks love and care and also help, even if shes (scared?, Angry?, Confused?)to ask,and i hope she does get it. Silco cared for her as best as he can but he didnt treat her sickness and kind of made it worse by saying that she should let Powder die or to make her fears fear HER. He was a good parent but not a great one.
@@Just_a_piece_of_breadmaybe with the reuniting of jinx and Vi we will see the unification of piltover and zaun to fight against a greater enemy (noxus)
@@fart63 yeah! I think there was a bit of tension of noxus and piltover right? If most of the main cast in the council survived the blast (mel, cassandra, etc.) (hopefully), there could be unification happening with those who oppose out of the way, (hoskel, shoola, salo, etc.) Or if theyre alive, they'd be swayed for a unification because, well noxus, the litteral place of war. But because of the attack made and the history of both sides, it may be a bit harder to do for both, especially for the zaunites.
"Had to be you." I'm predicting this line was directed at Warwick. I'm envisioning Jinx getting hunted down by this real-life not-in-her-head monster, and when she's finally cornered, she somehow realizes who Warwick really is and says this to him. She'll feel that it's poetic justice that Vander kills her after what she did to him.
Nah, I'm going to predict it's directed at Cait. She already had this big confrontation with Vi and she basically decided she's Jinx now and Vi's sister Powder is dead. Meanwhile, Jinx got herself so worked up seeing Caitlyn as a threat to her relationship with Vi, that even tho that's gone, she might still see Cait as her nemesis (probably will more-so after Cait becomes sheriff), so I see that a final confrontation between these two is ripe, and this sounds like something she'd say to Cait.
A cool way they could build up Vander's return is by giving us flashbacks at the start of each episode disguised as Vi and Powders flashback, since technically we didn't get ones for them and they could show us more of the parents that died and the war that happened where they lost their parents. But then we get a third flashback which'll be Vander's, and in that episode he'll be revealed to be alive and come back.
I think Viktor and Jayce going to have disagreement regarding hextech and ownership of the technology. If I remember correctly, they have similar conflict in the game. Most likely in aftermath of Jinxes attack and inevitable response from Piltover many civilians on both sides going to be hurt. It possible Viktor will try to help his fellow zonites with hextech, and Jayce may not like that. From his point of view zonites already used "his" invention for destruction, even after he offered them peace, so they can't be trusted. Viktor will remind Jayce, that technology would have been destroyed and Jayce would be dead, if he did not interfered, and that he figured out crucial part to make it work, so he can call hextech "his" as much, as Jayce. Jayce would argue, that Zaun dealt unspeakable damage with only one crystal, giving them more will be irresponsible. Viktor would remind him, they made this invention to help ordinary people no matter where they're from, and Jayce betraying this vision by using their invention as political tool. So it all goes down hill from there. Regarding Heimerdinger, I think amidst all the mess his students done with magic, he may come to conclusion, that he had to remember his yordle roots and use it himself. Maybe to protect Ekko and his village, or maybe even help him develop his time controlling technology.
I've been predicting since the rocket first hit that the split between Jayce and Viktor starts in that rubble. Mel and her shiny back sense keeps her and Jayce more or less safe from the blast, but Viktor gets supremely messed up. Jayce goes against Viktor's wish to destroy the hexcore and instead uses it to save Viktor's life, not just from the disease but from the damage of the rocket as well. That betrayal of a promise and stripping away of agency forms the rift between the two friends. Worth noting, the hexcore gives Viktor a crystalline body that isn't all that mechanical. If Viktor is trying to undo some of the influence of the hexcore by replacing more and more of his new body with mechanical parts, that could explain his drive for machines.
I agree with you on the majority of what you said, but I think that the "resolution" of the whole Piltover/Zaun Vi/Jinx thing will happen maybe in s3 before moving on to other places and characters, just because it's gonna be THAT amount of chaos, especially if they want to introduce new characters in s2 Also, now that I think about it: - I think that Ekko's line to Caitlyn "if your people had your way it'd be rubbling ash" (or something like that) when talking about the firelight hideout COULD be foreshadowing - What Vi says in the s2 teaser may not be referred to Jinx, but to Warwick perhaps (?) or it could be somebody else. I think it's intentional mislead. Maybe she's not even talking to Caitlyn - I don't think that "everyone" will want to go after Jinx. Everyone from Piltover for sure, but Idk about Zaun. It is highly hypothetical of course, but it could be very similar to how things happened in ep2: no one really gives a shit if a crime was done in Piltover or who did it, everyone will simply take a chance to rebel against topside (I'm not taking into account the firelights here); not to mention that, indeed Jinx will be a lone wolf, but perhaps she'll want to be "fair" to Silco, and keep her destructive capacities for Piltover specifically, and perhaps if she ends up doing a major damage (in the physical sense) to Zaun in could be another accident - Given that Silco stated the risk of being killed was something he was always aware of, he MIGHT have some kind of "plan" or procedure for that case scenario. And maybe Renata is a part of that and that's how she's introduced (?) - As far as I know about Warwick's lore (as much relevance the lore of league of legends can have given that it was stated that show won't be 100% faithful to the game), he hunts down the chembarons and all the zaunites who left for Piltover, so (weirdly enough) I think that, at least in the beginning stage of his arc, he might establish a closer relationship with Jinx than with Vi
Personally, I think a few might laud Jinx as a revolutionary, but most people will condemn her. Chembarons aren't profiting when the cities are on the brink of civil war, so they will disagree because their pockets will be bleeding. Most regular Zaunites just want to be left alone and she just made shit worse for pretty much everybody. And Sevika will be pissed that the independence failed because Silco wouldn't give her up and maybe have her people hunt for her so that she can hand her over and honour Silco's deal.
@@hawkins347 Totally! But I think it could be more likely if Piltover hunts down Jinx specifically and offers something in return. Like, indeed everyone will be mad, but taking the time and effort to find her and take her and I don't know what else it's another story, so unless there's a personal interest idk how many will spend their time like that, especially if the conflict already spread throughout both cities, in the sense of there might be bigger issues. So unless she just happens to be around, I'm not sure how many zaunites will actually bother to go after her... but again, it's highly hypothetical
@@hawkins347 well, but there might be one particular zaunite that has an axe to grind with the chembarons for locking him into a mine, and that particular character also has a cinematic in which he fights against vi and caitlyn. I really hope they introduce urgot :) but then again the Chembaroness Remi, who was so distraught to find her kid dead, still had an axe to grind with jinx, and I think there was some easteregg in the game that referred to remi having a special chemtech suit.
The "Sevika giving up power" and "kingmaker" stuff could be a setup for Urgot, who is also a Noxian. If Singed is one of the antagonists (theoretically), Urgot and his routing of some remaining Chem-Barons and eventual iron grip on the Undercity could be another neat sideplot.
I think its important to note, that they have Misled with their trailers/teasers before (watch Necrits video about it), which makes me think that maybe those Soundbytes are actually unrelated to eachother.
They probably are, but the bit of Cait talking about going after someone's sister has to be with vi. My guess: Aftter a significant step fowar on their relationship (maybe a kiss, hopefully something more) Cait tells this to her in order to let her know that she has to take a side on this one
My first thought after hearing the teaser was that Jinx was talking to Warwick (knowing at that point that he is Vander), expecting to die at his hand - coming full circle, her past finally catching up to her, etc.
I don't know much about the role that ekko's will have in the second season, but my theory is that, at least in the end, when some of zaun's people will be too tired to accept the conditions they're in he will lead them (only in battle) against the medarda's faction (that will seek revenge for Mel).
zaun has no military, mederda's from what I gather are noxians, given that the portrait mel created is the immortal bastion, which is noxus' capitol. they wouldn't stand a chance against noxus, and also lore wise some characters such as singed fight for noxus, if I remember correctly. but on the other hand ambessa showed us how much she cares for mel, who probably is dead as you say, and she holds jayce responsible for the problems with zaun.
@@danii7584 you're probably right, thanks for the note... it's always interesting to hear about arcane from different point of views (especially if what is said makes more sense)✨
@@danii7584 I agree and I am pretty confident of the fact that ambessa will seek battle for what has happened to her daughter (and for others interests as well,as it was shown in the first season). I just assumed that she would move war towards Zaun since she tried to convince Mel to do it herself (and since I doubt she would want to start a fight with a strong opponent and possible ally as piltover). But what is your idea??
@@nicolegorrieri1806 well, she also told jayce to handle the problems with zaun, and if mel dies due to jinx, a zaunite, then ambessa might hold jayce accountable. and she might be bitter because mel was the only child she had left. anyways, I don't see ekko as leader, maybe heimer has a comeback as ex council leader.
ANOTHER THEORY. Alongside what I think will be Warwicks father arc bringing Jinx and Vi together I truly think Vi and Cait and maybe Ekko realize the full effect of Shimmer and what it did to Jinx. I think it would be a heart wrenching way too not only face their past and traumas in the form of WW/Vander, but give them a reason to not only forgive Jinx but to have it make sense and actually natural in the form of realizing Shimmer took over her mind. I think people overlook the effect shimmer had on her, it truly emphasized the demons as she was getting injected and it made it harder to actually be able to listen to the voice of Reason in the form of Powder. Maybe them finding a way to reverse the effects become a big plot point in this show. Because I don’t see Warwick being introduced as Vander without Vi and Jinx having some type of father resolution, and I don’t see that happening without going over what the heck happened at the end of EP 9. And I think those things answer that.
Personally don't think S2 will have Jayce be all about war because in a narrative sense it makes little sense, the terrorist attack was Jinx and Jinx alone, Vi and Caitlyn will be able to confirm this so Jayce wanting to wage war on the entire Undercity feels too far fetched and takes away so much of the character development he underwent, it would make much more sense for him to be focused on Jinx perhaps in an unhealthy way since he would believe she is the reason his peace proposition went up in smoke. Definitely see the angle with Mel, S2 will be able her personal growth, finding a way to help the people she and Topside neglected and it will be interesting to see her interact with characters from Zaun especially Vi and maybe even Sevika
Bless. I'm so tired of the "Jayce will go genocidal maniac" takes. It would completely reverse is character development of s1 and like you said, it makes no sense to punish everyone for what Jinx did, especially since he has witnesses. Personally, I think he'll have a problem trying to wrangle a bloodthirsty crowd as Cait and Vi pursue Jinx to bring her to justice, and might lose the support of the population in the process.
@@hawkins347 Tell me about, the take lacks nuance and fails to note how Jayce develops in S1, for him to revert and do so in an extreme manner will be such a disservice to him and the arc he had. I like that idea of him having to pacify Topside and how it would change his image of being the Golden Boy who has won the people's hearts. Seeing how he and Mel will navigate this new and unplanned situation (especially with Mel since so much of her in S1 was about being steps ahead in any and every situation) will be so good, the political aspects of it, if done right will be top tier
but jayce flipflopped for the entirety of season 1. like, Mel completely turned away violence but jayce still has it in his playbook. the "development" youre talking about doesnt go one way for him.
@@icecreamguru7584 I think saying Jayce flip flops does his character a huge disservice, his mind is changed when presented with new information especially when it is given to him by people who are somewhat knowledgeable in the field the problem lies in. This should be expected from any character in any form of media who is essentially a novice. For example with the war against Silco, at first isn't sure how to properly navigate the situation, Ambessa eggs him on for a more violent approach she even adds that she has experience which we and Jayce know, and Vi also has the same sentiments and she is someone from Zaun so she essentially knows what she is talking about, once he takes the life of a child and realises his rash behaviour, he decides talks of peace are the most logical ways forward and goes with that. That's how we end the season. Now to the point of how starting a war with Zaun does nothing for his character and would ruin the development he has gone through, Jayce does not engage in senseless violence, so why would he want to punish an entire Undercity for the crimes of one person?
I have a side note I wanted to share unrelated to the video's topic. Recently I've realised that I was able to sit through your videos fully and attentively, without ONCE getting distracted or bored by slow talking, because when you talk you talk fast and to the point. Your ideas are also so very intriguing and your directness towards the audience means that, for the first time in a VERY long time, I did not once experience the urge to click off or start zoning out from boredom, EVER. it has _also_ made me realise just how little i want to pay attention to most things because of how boring and time-consuming I find them, so I am very thankful for finding your videos and giving me a wider scope on how my brain functions! Peace~
I love all of your videos, and I watch every single one of them while waiting for Arcane season 2. Your analysis videos just highlight so many details I missed when watching and you draw conclusions I never would have but make so much sense. All of these predictions sound really cool and plausible for S2. Also, 24:18 Le sserafim in the backround because of Seraphine. I was laughing for an entire minute, you're a genius and have great taste in music 🎶
I never like to watch any spoilers/predictions/trailers before watching a show or movie- so i saved this video in my watch later to look at after I've watched the show. Now I can say- jesus christ man you are on point. This is so impressive😭
I rather would like a mini series with him where they can go wild on the horror theme with an 18+ rating ^^. Tbh I don't see a possibility atm that he appears in Arcane since it is limited to Piltover/Zaun / Noxus. Fiddlesticks is said to be currently in Demacia.
@@redroseibarahime8755 Fiddlestick is everywhere like the world of runterra but Fiddlestick is more know in demacia. Fiddlesticks feed in human emotions, Fiddlestick knows everyone's fear.
Unlikely. Before Fiddlesticks appears they would have to set up that Demons exist in Runeterra. I think Piltover is not the right place to do that, even though there is a story with Nocturne in Piltover. But Season 2 will be full enough as it is, so I think they won't do it. As for the crows, I think they are meant to symbolize Jinx as a bad omen, not to show that Fiddlesticks is coming.
I hope we can see more of silco and jinx through flashbacks, to really flesh out their relationship during the time skip. Also could Silco's soul be a catalyst for the demon Fiddle sticks, or become a void being. Alot of speculation think that silco will continue on as fishbones, as it gives parental advice.
I never understood why jinx said “and see what pow pow thinks” in get jinxed, then I realized it’s her gun. The gun she named after her nickname that Vi gave her when she was powder. I have so much to say about that alone and how it plays into the story but it’s just interesting
I think Mel could be legitimately dead. I actually think her story is pretty well resolved where it is. She started as a wishy-washy politician and could die doing the ultimately moral thing. Plus her death would be great motivation for both Jayce and Ambessa in going full warhawk. I could see Ambessa trying to use the attack as motivation for persuading the Piltover characters to go scorched earth mode and Jayce falling for it. Personally I think Ambessa has more potential for growth as a character than Mel in her current form. Plus I just feel like we'll need to lose major characters as a result of Jinx's actions at the end of season one (besides Cait's mom who's a total goner). We're not losing Jayce or Viktor, so we might have to part with the only other vulnerable main character. Plus her death could add a key similarity to the arcs of Jayce and Viktor, both of whom would have lost a person they were close to as a direct result of their actions (or inaction). Which would ultimately prove to be ironic because both of them are destined to continue barreling down the paths of destruction rather than commiserating over their failures and coming together as a result. Then again, she would be a hard character to part with so I guess we'll see!
It may be possible that Viktor dies in the attack. When Viktor first asked Jayce 'how much time do I have left?', the scene immediately cuts away to Sevika throwing down two very specific cards: Death and Magician. If I was a betting man, I'd put it all down on that right there was the biggest foreshadow of Viktor's fate. He will die and due to his symbiosis with the hexcore, it might feel forced or obligated in saving Viktor from an terminal end and rebuild his body to complete hextech form.
@@DR3AMZonFire I think you misunderstand my meaning. What I am suggesting is Viktor dies but it is not the permanent kind due to the hexcore's symbiosis with him. And it 'following the already established lore' is not word for word iteration. I think we can both agree to that? There's gonna be some liberties that are going to be taken and the stories aren't going to be a side-by-side mirror reflection of the lore.
@@DeathwishGamer that's a cool idea. Coming back from the dead, being stitched back up like Frankenstein, which ofcourse would work well with his name being Viktor and him being a crazy scientist.
When the season first ended I agreed with you. But I just rewatched arcane this last week amd I think Mel is more important than I originally thought. I dont think it was a coincidence thaf she was so symbolically linked to the sunlight and golden adornments. I think hee father might have been a solari or she has learned solar magic. That head turn before the bomb 💣 reaches the window seemed prescient and it looked like her gold adornments activated some trigger response. Amd if you remember those gold things seem go actually be part of her as she hD them on even when naked in bed with jayce. I looked up Leona and some soladi symbols amd it definitely looks like rne ring she wears amd the background of her in the cinematic. Bring on the sun priestess!!!
In the lore, Noxus has done business with Zaun (and Piltover, like what we see in Season 1) - but specifically with Singed. They went to him for his chemicals in order to tip the odds in their favor in their war with Ionia. And these chemicals unleashed were so horrific that it resulted in the geocide of an entire sub-culture of Ionia (the Wuju, where Master Yi is from) and wiped out nearly all surrounding Noxian soldiers. (Leaving a lone survivor, Riven, completely scarred for life and questioning her place as a Noxian.) It was the first thing I thought of in Arcane with Singed, and with Ambessa mentioning the need for weapons. I imagine they may go in that direction to lead up to focus more on Noxus after Season 2, especially with how the focus is "war".
Why are you assuming Vander won't just lose the battle against Warwick? I think that's most likely. Vander died, Warwick is someone else now and we're not getting him back no matter how much we wish for him to go back to normal, that won't happen.
he won't go back to normal, but in league he has a few voice lines, to singed that he remember what he did, to vi and jinx something about his, vander's, death. so he might remember in the end.
The quotes you’ve given don’t give me the impression of Piltover/Zaun and the primary cast being pushed aside (at least temporarily) in favor of new regions and champions so much as it sounds like it wants to wrap up their current plot threads to move onto a story that ropes in more characters and parts of Runeterra alongside our current cast. Is there anything else that gives the impression that Arcane will be split up into several multi-season arcs focusing on different casts? Or am I just in denial because I really love the current characters and in a story so character-driven I don’t want to get attached to new ones?
That’s funny you say that, I’ve been thinking the same thing ever since my sixth binge watching. I’d love to see an _expansion_ but if we suddenly focused on Noxus of Freljord, I’d be constantly wondering what’s happening with Vi and Caitlyn.
I agree, I hope the story expands but still remains focused on the S1 characters. Vi and Jinx are the narrative heart of the show, it would be jarring to suddenly toss them aside and focus on completely new characters.
I love the League lore and I'm always desperate for new content - if other characters and other regions got a spotlight I would be incredibly happy. However arcane has a set place and idea. Suddenly switching to another region would make it feel like a completely different show. They should just make a completely different show for that
since the first season came out, i just assumed they would change characters and storylines every two or three seasons, or finish this one plot we have rn and be done with the show entirely. the story of jinx and vi can have a definite conclusion, and if they just keep dragging it out to squeeze six seasons or more out of it would definitely ruin it. i think the logical way to handle this show is to keep expanding on the political storyline while developing new personal storylines. idt they would get rid of vi and jinx and the others though, it would be stupid to just forget about characters they've spent so much time on. i think they'd just find out how to balance them out with new characters that would end up taking more relevance for the sake of development. anyone who says that won't be the case and we'll keep the same cast of characters forever, always with them as the main focus, sounds like pure coping and denial to me lmao idk
I think that when Vi says “no one else has to get hurt” that that means no one but her. She’s tried to sacrifice herself before, so it wouldn’t be a leap for her to do it again
There’s a subtle bit when Ekko and Vi meet in episode 7 where Ekko pauses when saying “When Vander… died” perhaps it touches on how he knows what Vander is becoming, but doesn’t want to set Vi off on a destructive path of failed redemption. Knowing that they all have to move forward and build something better.
My guess is ekkos "time travel" will be like creating a save state in a video game, you can load back to your last save letting Ekko test out different ways to approach a situation, However as time passes the save point will decay so we dont have any time travel shenanigans where he can go days or years back into the past but maybe 30 seconds to a minute or so. Also by making it so ekko has to set a save point we can avoid situations where he just goes back in time whenever something bad happens, that way he can only time travel when hes expecting to need to.
Man I just want to see more of CaitVi so baad.. I love how their relationship was set up, the themes it represents and all, and I really hope they get together. And I hope Jinx manages to somewhat heal, I know it's like impossible to undo everything she's been through, but just to see her coping in a healthy way would be amazing..but Arcane is probably going to crush our hearts by having Vi make a choice like kill her or Cait or some shit and she'll choose Cait..idk though
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH -> I am SO scared of getting queerbaited here. VioLin (CaitVi) is so incredibly cute and gorgeous, and I love Arcane so much. I would be unbelievably mad if they half-ass their love-story, or anything like that. So lets cross our fingers and hope for the best.
@@sportenapfeltorten2095 Can't say their relationship is being half-assed. They flirt a lot in the games already for years now (LoL & LoR) and they give some bits of their love life every now and then.. like Cait having a framed photo of Vi in her office desk.
@@toamszkozak8822 in the video the writers said that the champions won't be immune to dying in season 2, so it might actually happen after they reach their final forms and like complete their arcs
You can't do explicit homosexuality and get your production released in China. Or in most of the world where a majority of the population is Muslim. Or given the way they're heading, Russia. That's just how it is. 🤷♂
So, just a thing on the whole hindenburg bit of the video: maybe the season does start with the disaster, and kinda like a mirror to the first season’s flashbacks, showing little bits of it at every episode’s start until it finally happens, repeating the first flash forward’s story and completing it
Something you mentioned with Jayce going warhawk and thus needing an ally and thus going for Camille. Well, assuming they do somehow manage to fit Vi in an enforcer roll - which I do somewhat doubt - she did literally tell Jayce that she has no problem with murdered kids to save Zaun. I don't know Camille, but I am doubtful it will get more "warhawk affirming" than standing over a dead kid and be like "shit happens, let's continue" ^^;
I took it more as a very cold realist approach. She probably has seen ppl including kids die from shimmer and shimmer related businesses. Thus it was kind of expected? A bit like the mentality of characters like Judge Dredd or Frank Castle. The latter without the revenge thing. So far when it's about revenge or aggression she always drops by Sevika and starts a brawl @.@
I’ve been watching ALL your videos on this giant binge while I animate and I can FEEL my writing getting better. Watching your analysis has helped me hash out so many important scenes that have been struggling with, and understand my characters much better.
Interesting detail: Jinx in the present game wears a bullet around her neck. I think that bullet might represent something that made her who she REALLY is. Or It shows how she retains her Craziness at times
I felt as you did about the lack of Arcane with Netflix’s Geeked Week. Totally bummed at first, then realized that it was actually a very good thing! Love all your Arcane videos. Thank you for feeding my super healthy obsession 😅
i agree with a lot of these!! one of the things that i think you missed though was the fact that vi's conflict in season 2 could also relate to her trauma with what happened in episode 3 and with stillwater because those are both wildly unresolved. episode 9 really just tears open all these old wounds with how much it parallels episode 3: vi is restrained (the door falling on top of her, jinx tying her up), an attempt is made to save a family member (vander, jinx), she is powerless to do anything as it all goes wrong, someone/people die(s), there are blue clouds made by a hextech crystal which was used by jinx, it even takes place at the same cannery. vi also clearly blames herself for a lot of what has happened with jinx and episode 3 (congrats vander, you gave this child a guilt complex instead of teaching her responsibility) and if caitlyn's mom does die, that is going to layer on the guilt even further. not to mention prison is not a good place to process the trauma of losing your family because of your sister fucking shit up and lashing out at said sister, especially when you are getting routinely beat by guards and other prisoners. unfortunately a few days out of prison and with a pretty girl cannot fix that. especially considering everything else in s1- vi's mental state is not going to be doing so well. i loved this video a lot, my only critique was this in the cait/vi/jinx section (about vi and caitlyn) "...may even come to love her..." i'm sorry, *may?*
I have always been obsessed with Warwick’s design before Arcane, I mainly was a fan through the lore. So after Arcane hinted at diving into his story I was so hyped!
I love these kinds of videos. I tend to think Mel dies in the explosion. Her arc was complete the moment she defiled her own painting and took off her ring and voted for peace. She rejected the ways of her family and chose her 12 year old self rather than her mother. Obviously Viktor survives. Jayce has to survive because someone in Piltover needs to understand how to create more Hextech but it's apparent Viktor's going to go his own way. He won't be able to bring himself to fight the Undercity. This will set up an alliance between Mel's mother and Jayce where Jayce will be the leader and Mel's mother his general/enforcer. We already saw her in his ear in episode 8 and he will be looking for guidance without Mel. In exchange for Hextech she will bring in parts of her own military to defend Piltover. As the story progresses, Jayce will begin to realize she's slowly taking over and setting up Piltover as a client state to Noxus. I have this image of the denizens of the Undercity pouring into an undefended Piltover right after the Jinx attack and wreaking havoc. I also suspect Jinx will go into hiding and truly become an independent agent. Characters will talk about her, but she doesn't have a clear agenda now. Her attacks on Piltover were to please Silco, and not out of any personal malice. If she has any focus at all it will be Vi and Caitlin, but that doesn't feel right. She had her chance to eliminate Caitlin and she chose to leave her alive. I think she's done with it. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Vi/Jinx story centers around Vi trying to find Jinx. I have to say I like the idea of the Jinx pirate zeppelin. That would be a very cool image with a crow-feather motif and monkey flag.
Think outside the box. The political battle between Mel and her mother would be way more interesting. Besides, if Mel is dead then that guy who is after the Medardas as the last two episode set up might as well be up my ass. I don't care about Ambessa's problems at all. And neither do any of the characters.
@@hawkins347 It would be interesting to see Mel and her Mother go round and round. But it just feels to me like Mel's arc is over. The series needs a new heavy after Silco's and I don't see a clear candidate other than Mel's mother. She brings all of Mel's diplomatic cunning without the restraint, and she's desperate enough to do anything. How powerful was Jinx's rocket? Obviously we don't know, but a lot actually hinges on that. If it leaves Piltover vulnerable, that would be the opportunity for Ambessa to bring in her own forces.
@@cormyat07 Yes, but for that to work, Ambessa would have to have more than surface level characterisation and she can only receive that through Mel, much like Silco was mostly characterised through his relationship with Jinx.
@@hawkins347 They can give her some strong characterization by showing her reaction to her lost daughter and develop it further through a relationship with Jayce. Who knows? We're all just guessing. These writers are good enough at subversion to make all of us look like dolts when S2 drops.
There was a story a long time ago in which Viktor lobotomized some Zaunites (as they had a brain disease) to preserve them until he could develop a cure. Jayce found out and burned the warehouse to the ground because he thought Victor was building an army.
Love the theory’s In lore viktor doesn’t associate with his cult very much since he mainly cares about helping people Makes me think it will start as him getting people to follow him as he helps people and then another champion/important character will turn it into a cult
I don't believe Vander's/Warwick's resolution is going to be saving Vi, I think it's going to be saving Jinx. Vander has always saved Vi, his 'failures' as a father (at least from the limited time we were given with him in the first arc) are the lack of attention he gave to Powder, to me at least it makes more sense if his resolution is centred around correcting his 'failures' rather than fulfilling the same patterns over and over.
While I understand your point, I must say "better 2 fantastic seasons and move on" rather than have the season when Vi cheats on Cait and Jinx hook up with jayce or victor. so many shows fail for me because the showrunner/studio did not know when to say quit on a high note.
There are a lot more interesting Runeterran regions than the twin cities though. Piltover has always been my favorite (because I like steampunk) but I like Ionia too.. and Targon.. and the skinline alternate universes especially Star Guardians and Odyssey. And there are also more interesting characters like Jinx.. a lot of them actually.
@@hinnyu7748 I think it is an advantage to have introduced Noxus. It can lead in so many directions from that point as they are embroiled in so many conflicts. The Darius cinematic "After Victory" is a nice primer to the Noxus way of thinking.
It's better this way. Shows and story arcs sometimes overstay their welcome. Besides, there are so many characters LoL has that we could fall in love with! (I say this as a non-league player, too toxic for me)
Well, LOL has many characters and a wide world building. Just because they'll end Arcane with 2 seasons doesn't mean there isn't enough material to work for future series if they wish so. Just that the focus would shift on different characters, seetings and goals (and maybe small cameos from Arcane). But that's wishful thinking, let's just hope the second season would be just as good as the first.
wonderful video again! I think you may have been reaching a bit on the analysis of "go after" said by Caitlyn at the beginning, but everything was incredible and always thought provoking and eye opening. Your videos have been my favorite analysis.
Also involving Viktor, let's not forget that in Season 1 his Bio arm is already shown in Arcane. It's what grazed Heimerdinger's pet Poporo. Although I think that is more of a prototype since it doesn't look like the weapon he uses in LoL.
Ekko’s time travel is only a few seconds so it isnt a super serious thing. It basically makes for incredible fight scenes and a redo button. Maybe they will even put a limit on it like “I can rewind 5 times”
he also keeps the damage that is inflicted on him, so every time he rewinds he is filling up his opponents health bar and giving them all their items back but keeping his the same. The tension will skyrocket.
@@hwaryun7042 According to the devs that worked on Ekko, in the lore it actually does heal all the physical damage he takes in a fight. HOWEVER, his brain still registers the attack, so he still feels pain even after he rewinds, so if Ekko gets his ribs broken in a fight and rewinds, his ribs will be fixed but he will still feel like his ribs are shattered, which is pretty hardcore. So how many times Ekko can realistically rewind in a fight pretty much comes down to how much pain he can endure before he just collapses from the pain and exhaustion.
First off, BRAVO. Incredible depth to these perspectives and predictions along with a ton of research. Second off, all I know is when season 2 releases i'm gonna NUT.
I think Vi might be emotional about Caits mom getting killed via her empathy for Cait. Other than that, maybe Urgot popsup and hurts Jinx. Which I doubt.
I wonder if we will see Singed working for Noxus, because if I remember right Singed will make a a chemical weapons for Noxus and they will used that in the war with Ionia
My money is on urgot pops up and hurts chembarons, or slightly altered, goes after piltover's ppl. maybe both. he was a nemesis of vi and cait, they have a cinematic if I remember correctly.
I feel like sevika could join in on urgots crusade against the chem barons, as she would keep her trait of having the 'quartermaster' role and it would mean she would be fighting against the traditional chem baron tyrants while inadvertently working for one.
Season 1 does show how Ekko's time device works. He presses "save" on the device, and then he can jump back to that moment within a predetermined amount of time. He couldn't save the pink-haird girl because Jinx shot her after the time had run out. He won against Jinx because he was able to play out the fight within the time limit and reset.
Theory time: I don't think Mel will be the one to save them. I think it will be the hexcore. Remember when the hexcore took away victor's newfound strength? I think it will give it back to Victor temporarily. In fact, I think it will give him more power than before, which gives him the time to get jayce out of the blast zone, saving his life once again. Only this time, Jayce will not be grateful, because Mel was nearest to the explosion and Viktor didn't bother to save her. This will be the beginning of the conflict between Jayce and Viktor. Mel surviving will soften the blow, but it will still brew tension. Look at it this way: Viktor gets ability to save them but only has time to save Jayce along with him. Continuing the cycle of saving each other. Jayce thinks Mel is dead and blames Viktor in his anger and shock. Viktor is saddened by his ungratefulness unlike last time. Jayce blames himself for trusting Zaun and insults Viktor for being a Zaunite, for being the same as them. This pushes Viktor further to Zaun. Next it could go two ways: 1. Mel survives but is horribly injured and Jayce starts caring for her more. 2. Mel doesn't survive and things escalate even faster. But hey that's just a theory a half-arsed theory! Thanks for reading
If Mel dies, and Madarda takes up residence in Piltover in the wake of the council attack, I could see her taking up a leadership role. But I think if she does, it will be short-lived, as Swain/son-killer will likely come for her, perhaps introduce us to one of the assassins from the game. If Mel survives and is uninjured (via a Zhonia's effect as has been hypothesized), then I could see the rift between her and her mom getting larger, but it won't change keep Viktors and Jayce's relationship from falling apart, and like you said I think Jayce isn't going to trust Viktor anymore.
I found it interesting that when they were at the opera theatre in season 1, Mel (I think) said "your audience awaits" while looking down at the theatre ,which is a line associated with Jhin. Perhaps the violinist in that scene could've been Jhin, or it was teasing his presence for season 2.
I think Cait going after jinx is exactly that. Going after her, somewhere in Zaun. I don't think it's more complicated than that really, because at this point in the story, no one other than Vi and Caitlyn know about Jinx's attack, and maybe some councillors who survived.
Noxus' involvement is probably related to their invasion in Ionia, which could easily lead next series to other regions promptly. Also, during this timeline (if the invasion is still not done) Swain is not a Noxian leader at all, but someone who goes to war and loses his arm there, makes a pact with the raven demon to get his badass lookin' new arm and use this power to overthrow Boram Darkwill and set the Trifarix into Noxian leadership. As for Singed's daughter, we may finally get the reveal that his real name is Corin Reveck and he started his twisted medical carreer to save his child's life, who looks a lot like Orianna in the picture from his locket.
Thoughts on Ekko: I like the Hindenburg idea, and think it would be great if he worked with Heimerdinger to create souped-up hoverboards to attack zeppelins. We could see an attack by the Firelights on the warships, leading to the Firelights' defeat. That would show us how hard it is to take down Jinx's airborne defenses. More importantly, Ekko is the new Vi in the sense that he knows there's a glimmer of Powder in Jinx, and Jinx saw that he recognized her as who she once was. He won't change her - she's too far gone for redemption in his eyes - BUT I think he would be the one person she'd agree to talk to if there ever was a negotiation. Maybe he asks that she doesn't attack a certain target. She sends him on his way, but surprise! she withdraws her attack. This doesn't mean she'd change overall, but it gives us a teeny reminder that she isn't just a cookie-cutter villain.
Great ideas I love the idea of like... "tsundere Jinx" to a degree, like she's wacky and messed up but she isn't a sadist and she'll spare those who are true innocents in her mind
6:27 Vi is likely talking about Caitlyn's parents since her mom specifically is about to get blown up by Jinx's shark rocket (and part of her backstory is that both of her parents are dead)
It's super interesting how all the areas you predicted wrong were overestimations: in one video you thought ambessas rage had to be fueled by a painful loss meaning mel was dead, and here you thought vi crying meant someone directly close to her must have gotten hurt. that highlights how easy it is to latch on to single ideas. it's possible for ambessa to be fueled not out of rage but opportunity, for example, which is hard to consider when making predictions
I have some thoughts about Ekko's character arc: Like just about all of the other characters, Ekko is very sure of what he wants. He want's to help the people of the undercity. And he does! I think we will see more of that in season two. However, knowing the wonderful skill of the writers, he has some unresolved internal conflict that will be further developed. We saw a bit of this when he was talking with Vi: "If I had just gone with you that day..." And that was the end of it. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's reminiscing about a mistake he made in the past given that his thing is time travel. We'll probably see him with the time tech in the first act. Back to the internal conflict: we know what he wants, but we also know that there's more that he cares about: Vi and Jinx. My prediction: I think Ekko is going to go after Jinx (with the same idea as Vi, but a separate conflict), and if he messes up, he's just going to try over and over since he can rewind time. This also fits into the tragic theme of Arcane. Ekko's possible obsession over helping Jinx or resolving whatever internal conflict he has will be very emotional to watch.
Thinking about the line of “sins of the father” makes me wonder if season two will focus slightly more on Vi’s character arc. Season one was about Jinx stepping into herself. Because of, and despite, Silco’s fatherly influence on her. Thematically, to pair with the sisters’ Yin and Yang energy, that would make sense to me if in this chapter Vi wrestles with stepping into her own power and authority. Because of, or despite, Vander’s fatherly influence in her life. ❤
i don’t think it’s going to happen, but i would really loved to see fiddlesticks in season two for a more horror-ey vibe. the idea being that all the fear in piltover created by the jinx rocket attracted him, and he becomes something like a boogeyman that the sisters and cait have to fight
I think we *will* see Fiddlesticks, but in a future season. They haven't even touched on the demons at all yet, and I think they'll wait to introduce them until we get to a different region. The regions have different flavors (Piltover/Zaun = different types of steampunk, so they run on different types of fantastical science; some of the other regions run on power[Noxus/Demacia], or gods/determination[Freljord], or spirituality/nature[Ionia], or tradition[Shurima], or memory[Shadow Isles], and I bet we'll get the demons tied in to one of the ones that's a more natural fit for them. ALTHOUGH, they have likely already tied Swain in, so we may get a slight intro to the concept of demons through him, but I highly doubt we'll meet any more yet.
My guess about Viktor becoming the "Machine Herald" is that Jayce will do it to him, using the Hex core, against Viktor's explicit instructions already expressed.
Some people asked for timestamps for where I talk about lore related predictions, so here’s all the lore sections so you can avoid them:
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Vander is Warwick!!!!🐺🤯
Something else that I’m not sure if you knowAmanda Overton, one of the writers, had commented on Twitter that Jinx had friends, plural, and said we can’t know who they are yet, adding another level to some of your theories.
I don't even think the airship thing is a stretch -- like saying it will definitely happen obv is but there's nothing wrong with having that theory.
On the other hand, I think your reasoning about Vi's voice in the trailer is definitely a stretch. She can easily be talking about Jinx's terrorist attack lol, like there's a lot of emotional intensity surrounding that especially Vi's relationship with the perpetrator so I don't see why it wouldn't be enough for her to cry. Also that's assuming she even is crying. Vi doesn't really sound like Vi in the trailer, and I'm guessing the lines for the teaser trailer were recorded long after the lines for the actual episodes so the VA could be out of practice. It's a small thing so I don't think the level of analysis of 'She's definitely crying here' is warranted, let alone the reasoning for why it has to be someone close to her getting hurt
Thank you!
You will probably have some bltzcrank at the very least a cameo uf they plan to leave piltover and zaun for season 3
I think the “no one else needs to get hurt” line is referring to Jinx’s attack on Piltover, as Caitlyn’s mother was inside that meeting room, and will most likely be one of the characters to die from that attack. I imagine Vi would feel an insane amount of guilt towards Jinx doing this, especially considering her bond with Caitlyn at this point.
or.. alternatively it could also mean, that only 1 person needs to get hurt, and that person being Jinx, coz if Jinx dies, everyone else is saved, in a way...
@@lalystar4230 jinx is in the game plus through everything in season 1 Vi still never even raised her voice to her in a mean way, only ever tried to get back or help. I highly doubt she’d do smth to jeopardize Jinx much less kill her/get her killed.
@@lalystar4230 i don think so
I actually don’t think Cassandra will die. Put in a coma, severely injured, and out of commission for a while yes, but I think there’s more storytelling potential with keeping her alive than killing her outright and making Caitlyn the next member of a huge cast of orphans/broken families. I trust the writers, and so so far they have shown they don’t take the easy path in storytelling
Cassandra dying is easy. It’s expected. Her dying vs nearly dying and being out of commission would achieve the same narrative purpose of guilt ridding Vi and scaring the shit out of Caitlyn and potentially exploring a dark/grief ridden side of her that tests her morals and values.
Where nearly dying has more advantages and variability, in my opinion, is that you can have more obstacles for Caitlyn and Vi. Caitlyn’s character still gets to be tested, then she gets relief finding out her mother will make it, but now Cassandra, who just voted for Zaun’s independence but was nearly killed for it, backpeddles and returns to being a hardliner (freeing Caitlyn to choose to be just as hardlined, or be a foil) She’s already been shown to be overprotective, and could get in the way of Cait and VI’s goals in different ways for the sake of protecting Piltover/her daughter.
Cass surviving means Cait can now resolve the tension between her and her parents. The end state is them finally accepting Cait’s life choices rather than railroading them. Probably coinciding with her finally becoming Sherrif. That’s much harder if Cass is totes dead and Papa Tobias is consumed by grief and even higher fear of losing his daughter too
Relatedly, Vi needs a damn hug and family. I would love to see a simultaneous minor storyline developing where she slowly gets accepted into the Kirraman household, a stable home like she’s never had since childhood, which could lead to all sorts of internal conflict of her losing her connection to the undercity by circumstance and feeling like an outsider on both sides, torn up feelings around interacting with a kind father like Tobias, or strained interactions with Cassandra
Alternatively, Cass surviving and being a foil by backpedaling to her overprotective tendencies could highlight the oil and water question between the gal pals. Will Cait, after nearly losing her mother, cave to the pressure of doing what’s expected of her/choosing piltover or family over Vi? Can Vi even fit into Cait’s life when her sister nearly killed Cait’s mother and best friend and half the council? Would Vi let herself? Will the Kirraman family even want her around while she has to work with Cait? Where does Vi even belong now since she’s so far removed from the undercity and her sister?
There’s also the lore C storyline: this would be harder to introduce if Cait’s mom is dead, and it’s likely to be somewhat set up because it involves another chembaron that S2 could take advantage of introducing.
There’s a lot of characters and a lot of storylines to balance, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Cass does die, just disappointed, cuz it’s easy. But I think there’s a lot more you could have peppered in the background with keeping her alive, and so far the writers have found ways to connect and overlap multiple storylines together beautifully
@@Joyride37 yes. this!
i’d love to see jinx and viktor interact
Me too, especially in a non confrontational manner. Maybe like:
"so you were the one who caused all this" -Viktor¨
"..."
"Why" -Viktor
"hmpf *followed by a grin*" - Jinx
Something like that maybe, it would just be cool to see jinx not trying to hurt or scare someone in one scene(in exception to her scenes with Silco and Vi)
Viktor: You have been evolved. // Viktor inspecting Jinx abnormal body.
Jinx: E-what? // Confused as she always does.
Viktor: In more perfect way, more than me. // Still inspecting.
Jinx: What are you even talking about!? // Starting to breakdown because she is not understand anything he said.
Viktor: Good to see you. // Walk away thinking about how to make a perfect evolution that not cause mutation.
Jinx: Make Piltover and Zuan fall into chaos because she has been annoyed.
"Hey baby ;)"
"H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H_H_H-H_Hey V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-Viktor
"can you feel it sliding in????"
"Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Yes sisters"
@@OGL09 this is so cursed
I feel he would be fascinated by jinx's successful transformation when silco saved her lifebut also be very nervous around here because she is going fully insane
Mind-blowing fact: Season 2 is written.
It exists, and some people know all that is in there
According to Kevin Alejandro we will have our emotions pulled out of us.
this drives me nuts man
Nothing has made me more excited for a second season than Arcane lol
The introduction and conclusion is intertwined in a well writen fiction and nonfiction media
my brain exploded oh my god
I think Viktor's cult is going to form not directly from him, but inspired by him, and he's just doing his own thing, occasionally looking at the cult and being like, "Okay. Well then. That's there."
thats exactly how it is in the game lore.
@@DarthZ01 neat
@@DarthZ01 ye agreed, as much as I can remember, he always has tried to care and help the people as much as he can in his way, heck I hope we see the idea of blitzcrank in some way
@@d4s0n282 the creation of blitzcrank is something that comes extremely early in viktor's lore, and it sparks the conflict between him and jayce. so i would guess blitzcrank will possibly be present in season 2.
@@niscent_ It used to be between Viktor and Heimerdinger because Heimerdinger stole blitz' blueprints and presented it as his creation, did it change a while back or...?
i hope they address that Sky is missing. Because Viktor never told anyone what happened to her, I think that would also push him to Zaun. If after the bomb attack, they might think that anyone from the undercity is dangerous. Hence, if they find out Viktor got Sky killed, he might be casted out....
And this might lead to something I would be interested to see... in the mix of all the chaos that the attack will brew, if Viktor and Jinx somehow meet at one point.
My prediction: Sky was absorbed by the hexcore. Some of the sounds it makes after her "disappearance" sound vaguely like human screams. I think Sky will BECOME the hexcore, or at least a conduit for it be become sentient.
after being severely injured upon inspection of wounds victor might be found out as abomination, and since he still has stuff that belonged to sky on his person that will paint him as a monster that killed sky. I expect him to suffer some kind of "frankensteins monster" arc in which he, as singed predicted, will be despised by everybody. additionally he might continue his transformation in order to survive, in order to escape or invulantary be saved by the core.
also he will have to pick up the hex claw, as it's part of his character ingame.
i think if viktor gets cast out it'll nicely set up his arc to become viktor as he is in the lore
@@nth256 that could be the karmatic version of how vicktor survives along and becomes a mad scientist. Maybe a sky possession is what the hex core needs to be what vicktor wanted it to be
@@danii7584 Viktor hid Skyes journal in his coat after Jayce had his "am i interrupting?" callback. When Skye was walking through the halls on her way to her doom with Viktor she is practicing her "I've been working on a theory of mine" speech. After her annihilation by the hex-core Viktor looks through her journal and we can see her notes on the "plant dying" problem that Viktor was facing before he got help from Singed. It seems to me that there will be something in Skyes journal that will give Viktor a revelation about how to use the hex-core.
I think Viktor's development into his Mecha form will be one of the most interesting parts of next season, because he's probably the most morally "good" of the main characters by the end of season 1. He realises he's made mistakes, wants to correct them by destroying the Hexcore but is also smart enough to ask Jayce to do it because he doesn't have the willpower to. He was never tempted to use Hextech as a weapon, his focus was always helping people in need. He even seems to turn his back on trying to prolong his own life, at least using the same method he used on his leg.
Oh, and he builds Blitzcrank, the robotic hero of Zaun
@@joshjo9405 Friendly neighborhood robot.
@@raptorxrise5386 Hextech hero of Zaun
i wonder if rejecting the hexcore will actually lend to that arc? if it'll feed into his ideology about organic life being flawed and the better alternative being technology. seems a bit far fetched, especially given how they briefly show it has some kind of physical power over his body, just an idea :)
@@wajfan arcane is now confirmed as the canon lore of zaun/Piltover so viktor WILL develop into the machine herald we know.
Even if he starts a skeptical he WILL embrace the hexcore and go full cyborg.
Jinx already did ride one of those things, remember EP 4, she was defending the cargo on a zeppelin.
Now all she needs to do is shoot one down
Thought the same thing
Yeah, I think being on the craft was the conclusion to “ride one of those things” and shooting it up was the conclusion to “shoot one of them down”
Could be more of foreshadowing to be fair. She's on one, she messes up, it goes down in flames. Kinda adding to the foreshadowing rather than being it's fulfilment
It was a ship
Jinx's "Had to be you." is terrifying and I'm ready to see what she's going to do in season 2. Bring it on.
I bet it’s Jinx having lost to Vi, and as Vi approaches-preparing to kill her sister-Jinx chuckles at the irony and says…”had to be you. I’m glad it’s you.”
Get ready for angst...
@@Zephirite. It’s insane how many people are quick to saying the two sisters are gonna be killing eachother, lol. Maybe they'll fight, but Vi sure heck isn't giving up on her (that would destroy her entire character, and the writers never take the easy route out of these problems).
If Vi DID give up on Jinx, then that goes against the entire theme established in S1 (the unvreakable bonds of love), and spits in the face of her arc. She's not going to abandon her sister again (especially when the show itself condemed her for that decision over and over again). She promised her father that she'd take care of her. The thought of being with her again was all that kept going while she was imprisoned for YEARS. She's stated that she doesn't CARE about the current state of politics between Piltover and Zaun as much as she does reuniting with her sister.
She's explicitly stated that NOTHING is going to change how much she loves her. Even though Jinx convinced herself otherwise, Vi never once said or implied that she'd given up. And after all the points I've listed, it makes sense why.
@@DLxxx You’re right; the show has been punishing Vi for abandoning Jinx for a while. The thing is…she DIDN’T abandon her. Marcus kidnapped her; the moral choice of abandonment wasn’t made by Vi, yet it still has lasting consequences.
And just as Vi has chosen to seek Powder all these years, Powder has chosen to see herself as Jinx by the end of the season, even if that doesn’t win her her sister’s love. The show’s not just about vindicating VI’s choice, it’s about the tug and pull, the struggle, HAVING to choose, not just overcome obstacles until you get what you want. VI was driven to save Powder until the finale, and still is. But Jinx is equally driven to stay herself. It’s an unstoppable force vs an immovable object, on a collision course where-if they come out alive-their goals will ensure they fight until one is incapacitated.
VI’s also shaken at watching her sister and crush almost murder each other, and now she has to choose. When Cait is safe, Vi is free to risk herself to help Jinx. But when Cait and Vi are fighting her, Vi might have to pull a Powder-like move and incapacitate Jinx to save Cait, but accidentally kill her. Vi does her best, but accidents happen regardless of intent (as Powder has shown).
Your description of s1 Vi is spot-on. This is the track of guilt playing on loop in VI’s brain. But just as Vander taught Vi to protect Powder, he told her that when others look up to her, “anything that happens is on you.” Vi may logically know that the deaths of so many in Piltover are Jinx’s fault, which will force Vi to make a decision and confront this mindset from S1. We know her love for powder is strong, but jinx isn’t powder anymore, and vi has to reckon with that. Caitlyn’s mom dying will radicalize her even more, Ekko already gave up on Jinx as much as she could.
What kind of finale would this be if it didn’t force Vi to reckon with the same monsters that have plagued her sister for so long?
When analyzing a story, we look at what’s there. When predicting, we look at WHY it was there. Why would the writers drive home how much Vi cares if they weren’t going to test it’s limits and force her into an impossible choice? Could you imagine an ending where Jinx willingly agrees to not murder anybody, apologizes for her past, and everyone accepts her? Is Arcane really building to the kind of story that gives Vi what she wants at the expense of anyone else’s character?
@@Zephirite.ah so ur thinking jinx will die by vi's hand, good theory
"Noone else needs to get hurt" can also mean that "if I go alone, only I will get hurt" rather than "someone already got hurt". I think Vi is being protective towards Caitlyn, and her arc will involve learning to accept that Caitlyn wants to help her and that she doesn't have to shoulder the burden alone.
Yeah consider that jinx did already hurt someone in season 1, in the finale to a bunch of important people, it makes sense that she would already close off any risk that could hurt her friend or girlfriend.
Yea it could also be as simple as she just shot the building up and killed Silco.
I'd actually like that a bit more so we can see a bit deeper into how Vis psychology works-
I would bet a theme for many of the characters in season will be "The Monster you Created". Some characters have more literal transformations like Warrick, Singed, Viktor. Some will be more metaphorical like Jayce and Jinx. If Vi becomes an enforcer, that can be a monster in her eyes.
But the line is "The Monster you Created", sobthe narrative will continue to explore what it was that made these "monsters" what they are.
That would be painful and thus awesome to witness
There are so many characters in league that are legends because of other characters yone cuz yasuo kills him senna cuz thresh kills her rumble cuz of his crush on tristana azir because of xeraths lies renekton cuz of his sacrifice for nasus
Vi so the main cause in Arcane for most of these characters in the series. If she wasn’t a brat and listened to Vander and wasn’t a hypocrite.
Yes! That could actually be quite thematically resonant!
Looking back, it was all because of Jinx's choices this season that Vi was pushed to tackle larger societal issues and become closer with Caitlyn (due to the circumstances). Therefore, _"Vi the Enforcer"_ only exist because of Jinx's mistakes and actions against her sister. Jinx made her own worst nightmares a reality. She _forced_ her sister to become her enemy by dismissing her words, and deciding that she was unloved FOR her (and I know, everyone was able to figure that out looking at season 1's ending, but it’s still worth highlighting).
This parallels Vi's role in Jinx becoming who she is today, albeit to a lesser extent, since Vi only pushed her sister away once.
Still, in the end, their final battle will be all about how they "made eachother this way." "YOU made me become like this!" "This is YOUR fault!"
In the end, after they've aired out all of their feelings, they will both HAVE to come to terms with their roles in eachothers downfall. They'll NEED to take accountability for their own choices and move forward with eachother.
If Vi is upset it doesn’t have to be because someone she cares about dies but could be that the death of Caitlyn’s mom threatens her relationship with Caitlyn.
Yeh, and that guilt of cait’s mom dying might be what pushes Vi to become an enforcer, to like, take up some responsibility for it
i feel, however, that those lines happened in the same conversation and i cannot imagine that vi is uncharacteristically crying over caitlyn's mother's death but cait's voice is perfectly steady. even if it is guilt cait should be upset too.
yeah, she would also feel insanely guilty and would feel some empathy because her own parents (and Vander) have died.
@@maks7355 i feel that it makes sense, because Vi knows what it is like to lose a mother, both parents. Seeing the pain Caitlyn is in, Vi and Cait can finally relate to each other, and thinking about the self blame and the love and care Vi has for Cait, this could lead up to both of them having an emotional moment. In the video, it sounds like Caitlyn isn'[t crying, but she could be. We've never seen her cry except for the last scene, where its completely understandable. Even so, considering other scenes where she has come close to crying, Oil and Water rain scene for example, she still sounds calm and collected towards the end of the argument.
I think that Cait will unintentionally blame Vi, and Vi will accept it as punishment as she will probably blame herself for being a major part in Jinx firing that nuke as an act of war, and potentially killing Cait's mother, as a person who saw her dead parent(s) as a result of war. This immense guilt for hurting Caitlyn like this could lead her to get really emotional as she will probably remember her parents in the moment too, as well as the fresh wound of Powder going full Jinx mode, would lead her to cry. According to her personality, this would lead her to make the action of separating herself and cleaning up her problems herself, to compensate for potentially killing Cait's mother and to protect her from any other threats Jinx may pose,
"I can do this myself... No one else needs to get hurt."
Caitlyn, calm and composed, going over what she said and what Vi is saying, investigates, calculates, and tries to figure out the best course to take, and is determined to find a way to make it work for the both of them. In the teaser she said "...if I go after your sister alone, one of us comes back in a box" and thats could either state that she must go alone to reduce damage, or that going alone isn't the best plan to take. Either way, she's probably laying out the options, putting her emotions aside and doing it for justice and the people she cares about first, and Vi might be reluctant to listen because of the guilt. This could lead to Jinx saying "I'm glad its you, had to be you" to either one of them being there. If not, it could be to Warwick, and Vi and Cait could be in the background somewhere, hiding listening and observing.
If they weren't there, then Cait may have convinced Vi to not do anything, and after all of these scenarios, Vi would suggest to Caitlyn that she becomes an enforcer to make up for her actions and serve true justice for both Piltover and especially Zaun. This is what I think, sorry that its long lol
@@maks7355 its probably because of the guilt over caits mom and jinx starting a war. since she "made" jinx she will out that guilt on herself.
The one thing I noticed that wasn’t mentioned is about the hex core. Not how it plays in Viktor’s story, but how [SPOILER] it’s very clearly void magic. In lore, that purple fleshy magic is classic void energy, seen all over wherever the void is found. On top of that, I noticed purple was used as a base color for shimmer, and it seemed to originate from those flowers fed to rio, Singed’s mutant wave rider. The fact that Heimerdinger has seen corrupted hex core magic (he said so when he saw the hex core after Viktor changed it with his blood), Heimer saw it when that magic tragedy (in his flashback) happened, the tragedy (one of the flashback clips) also had that fleshy purple stuff, that singed and Heimer parted ways, and that singed was tending to this purple flower garden is not all coincidence. I feel that moment when Viktor looked into the light of the hex gate was never really addressed as to what exactly caused that, but in lore, the void has a tendency to “reach out” and “call” to people. Furthermore, as you stated, the core seems to have some ability to connect or communicate or something with Viktor’s purple parts.
I believe this is somehow going to play into Viktor’s conversion to all metal because the Void is very…fleshy. That Purple hex core literally whispering sweet nothings to Viktor is classic Void theme, and I think story goodness is brimming there. I’m sure there’s more to talk about but that’s as far as I’ve gotten. What’s does anyone else think?
Originally he made hos body mechanical to fight an illness he made blitzcrank to work for zaunites so they didnt have to breathe in the toxic gases but he finds out metal is better than flesh and now wants everyone to be metal
@@Betroid Hopefully we get some Blitzcrank goodness too. That would be SO cool to see in proper animation.
@@wvegjjhkebqhjc i agree im looking forward to seeing zac urgot or renata glasc in season 2
Void is def gonna be the big threat that ties up all the regions in the "avengers endgame" scenario. Hextech is probably probably going to attract the void's attention or something, as well as regions from other seasons having their own void related problems. Protags are gonna team up and go on a Darkest Dungeon type void heart killing expedition.
@@VagineerHuur if the void is the big bad of arcane then Jax will be the captain America of the final saga and I'm all for it.
Honestly I would like this storyline to be 3 seasons. While I like the idea of it ending at season 2 so there’s no worry of it getting cancelled, I think the arcs of each characters are so complex that it needs 3 seasons. Also with all of the money and popularity the show has, I doubt that it would be cancelled after 2 seasons anyway
a whole season centered around ekko. i'll fund it myself.
The difference between this and any other netflix show, is that the whole crew loves and wants to make the best possible ever.
What im trying to say is that if they feel like one more season is enough time for the plot and the characters, i trust them. Or that they wont make a season 3 just so they can call it a day.
Also i recommend watching TBSkyen Lol Lore expert, made a video about possible Arcane like storylines in league universe, i know everyone would love to see this storyline for 10 more seasons, but telling another story might be the better option, because there are storyes just as good as this one.
Me too, idk, or at least more episodes.
I have no doubt they can pull it off in two seasons, but three seasons would still be nice
I disagree. I think if three seasons are deeicated to Pilotver/Zaun, people will begin to subconsciously relate that locationa nd those characters as being synonymous with Arcane. But the world is vast, the characters/champions broad and diverse. It would be a disservice to stay locked up in one city for three whole seasons when there are so many other stories to tell. The religious conflict in Targos; Noxian on the warpath; the Mage Revolt in Demacia; Bildgewater shenanigans; the return of Shurima. These are just a few examples.
Two seasons in Piltover gives up a beginning and an end. We don't rush character's stories but we also don't lag around. And who knows, there could potentially be crossovers down the line.
I am SO excited for Victor's arc! Like, from the first moment he was introduced in Arcane, him being one of my fav champs I was hyped. And after they gave him so much of a personality I am even more so.
I clicked faster than benzo died
XD
too soon :(
Stop it 😭😭😭😭
@@LacrosseAlmighty it was like a year ago? How is that too soon?
Good joke 👍
I think we can expect a lot more character development from Vi this season. She didnt seem to change much from the beginning of the first season to the end, almost 7 years, and shes been the same person. This is not necessarily a bad thing, she is stubborn and intense with her loyalty to the people she cares about, but this stunt in growth is probably due to trauma. We forget that even though Jinx has had a lot happen to her, Vi has too. She saw her parents being murdered as a child and then the entirety of her foster family, and constantly experienced the guilt she felt due to abandoning her sister. We havent seen how all of this has affected her yet, and I'm expecting a big breakdown from Vi the next season, a scene where she lets her shield down and stops trying to give off that strong-front. I think the thing with Cait will also get a lot more complicated, Caitlyn feels betrayed, she lost her mother, she failed at her mission at getting at Silco, lost her boss, and all the foundation and reality she was brought up with. She might have been lenient with Vi concerning Jinx at first, but I doubt shes going to show any mercy at all now. Vi will have to choose between one of the only two people she loves, and I dont think she'll be able to do this with the same "bravery" and "courage" shes shown before. In addition to all of this, I think the scene in the third where Vander took shimmer, in his disgruntled form Vi looked at him and was scared and uncomfortable as to see what he has become. This has to add even more pressure and complications to what team she has to choose, she has to have the worst kind of psychological dilemma to see her once-dead pacifist father figure as violent wolf-man, how will she have the power to even fight him, and same concerning Jinx, her past is her biggest strength and weakness, and we'll have to see if she overcomes it or not.
Yeah that was one of my thoughts too, girl has literally been tortured for 7 years and you're telling me that didn't leave any stain at all ? I call bullshit
I think its worth noting that "semi-crazed science cult leader" is *not* what Viktor is in LoL, its everyones perception of him. LoL Viktor has nothing to do with the crazy body mod cult that was created in his name. He made Blitzcrank to help people and he (rightfully) sees "human error" as the most common cause of tragedy and is seeking to correct it. He wants to help people but prudes like Jayce see his methods as crazy because they dont understand the reality of living in Zaun.
I’d argue that he is semi-crazed and at his worst approaches a cult-like mindset, though he’s retained enough self-control not to become an actual cult leader. He’s a likable and sympathetic character with good intentions, which has resulted in people over-sympathizing with his actual actions (similar to how some fans view Silco). Jayce and Viktor’s LoL bios both clearly utilize unreliable narration. Viktor thinks that saving/improving people justifies the means and this allows him to freely help others but also results in disregard for safety and consequence, Jayce does not and this retards his ability to help people but also allows for reasonable safeguards.
His quotes are a bit outdated, but even in the Arcane-influenced Legends of Runterra he speaks like a supervillain and espouses his “Glorious Evolution” though he doesn’t force it on others. He gives a kid and attempts to give divers mind-altering devices, which may be helpful in some situations but overrides essential biological warnings. (Just make a diver robot, don't fuck with people's brains.) That’s cult-like behavior.
Viktor has improved his consent issues by the time of “House on Emberlift Alley,” but from the Factorywood spill in his bio, if consent can’t be given he may still operate and at the end of the day, he’s more obsessed with saving than concerned about means (armed robbery and attempted murder, brain removal) and quality of life (not dead, but with questionable personhood). Everyone knows his ‘solutions' “often [bring] unexpected consequences” (which sounds like the unreliable narrator trying to put spin on a worse adjective) and only the desperate seek his help. Arguably the severity of Viktor’s treatment of the Factorywood victims (so bad he had to remove their brains from their bodies and leaving them mindless enough to obey commands like “kill him”) may have saved the chem-spill victim’s from death, but still would have left them shells of their former selves, possibly in a drone-like state just above being braindead. The bio even admits that his methods “would save these people - in a manner of speaking,” implying that that salvation might not actually be desirable. While Jayce was wrong to attack without listening to an explanation, Viktor’s treatment was not humane, ethical, or possibly even wanted. It was like forcing a dying person (ie. late stage cancer, severe Alzheimers/dementia, unbearable physical pain) to live when euthanasia might be kinder, which of course Viktor can’t relate to as he himself chose to live no matter the cost.
Basically fans (I'm a fan, but also playing devil's advocate) are producing a romanticized representation of him and I think this dilutes what makes the character interesting. He’s not actually ‘right’ or ‘good,’ he’s an extremist who, like many extremists, thinks he’s right and aims to do good. Same for Jayce. This is exactly why they are in conflict: they both think they’re right, but actually need to tone it down and compromise. This is also why Ekko, our reasonable third party, can’t stand either of them: they're two opposite extremes.
*Also, a version of Factorywood would be a great Vader “NO!” moment. In his anger, he ordered his own patients to kamikaze themselves.
He actually lowkey hates the cult too.
So! You are not wrong, BUT there’s also externalities not in his lore. He is being changed into a non-flesh form, but it’s also different his armored, plated form in LoL. I’d argue his transformation is coded similarly to the Void, given the symbolism when his blood mixes with the Hexcore. The Void would also make sense as an origin of the tragedy that Heimerdinger was traumatized by, *and* it would make sense that the Hexcore would have a desire to be used, to expand the influence of Void in the world.
With that framework, suddenly we have a group who could easily function as a uniting enemy against Noxus. Noxus may be warmongers, intent on conquest, but they do not intend on consuming all life.
Yea his lines are just really outdated, he has no mentions of any of the Zaun or Piltover characters, though they might change it once season 2 arrives so as not to spoil the show.
viktor also is very authoritarian in that he belives machines should rule and decide in place of humans
I'm so excited for the new season... but _man,_ I do not want to see Viktor lose himself... :'
That's gonna be so painful to watch...
Viktor in lore isn't crazy or evil. Others view him that way for refusing to be constricted to societal ideas, but he doesn't do anything.
@@tminusboom2140 eh he wants everyone to become machines like him in the lore
@@jansonshrock2859 Oh yes, a motive to improve humanity, and by their choice, and to eradicate death. What a villainous motive. Fuck, the dude doesn't even force it on people. He does literally nothing evil.
@@jansonshrock2859 he becomes a major ideologue but he's not evil.
Spoiler alert: it was painful to watch 😢
I'd love for the show to introduce the audience to "who Warwick is" or "Warwick being awoken" with an episode starting with a flashback of what happened between Silco and Vander, then BOOM Warwick. I really hope they keep giving us some flashbacks in Season 2, like stuff that happened during the timeskip.
I'd rather it be a bit more subtle.
I would just love the audience seeing a cyborg werewolf and wondering "what the..." only for the slow realization to sink in.
@@patrickcarter2829 THIS
it would be great to see more time skip stuff, esp since they had to cut scenes for time ! like they said they expanded on why jinx called ekko the boy savior with a whole scene about how they grew to distrust each other while vi was in prison and that was all cut out :(
@@patrickcarter2829 I wonder how many people haven't realized that Vander is Warwick
Doesn’t Soraka have lore with ww? Or was that old lore?
I d like to see a Vi / Sevika reconciliation as while vicious opponents there seem to be some kind of mutual respect as fighters just underneath the surface.
6:20 What? You're forgetting a crucial hint here I think. Caitlyn's mother was about to die at the end of season 1. It clearly means Caitlyn is trying to get revenge on Jinx to the point where one of them is unavoidably going to die unless anyone else impedes it, or thus she feels. And I think Vi's answer is related to the same conversation, and not another that they could have possibly put together with this, like it's done in many trailers. She doesn't want to see Caitlyn consumed by vengeance and neither wants to see her sister or her "good friend" hurt. And that's why Caitlyn wants to go after her. I don't think that necessarily implies that Jinx is in Narnia or something xD. Cait's mother got hurt, probably died, and Vi doesn't want the same for Caitlyn.
If Arcane will go somewhat side to side with characters fro. LoL and rest of the lore, her mother will survive
@@bizzapandare1209 Yeah but they've already changed quite a lot, and this conversation and where things are heading... It doesn't make sense to me that Cassandra survives. She's a disposable character. Most people don't like her, she serves the plot better dead than alive and someone has to die. As we know at least a couple of characters in that room must survive, the rest has to die in order not to make the scene look futile. Cassandra is a given for me.
@@kaijingarou6526 Maybe. I offer an alternative theory.
SPOILER.......maybe....
Cassandra and Mel survive, but their bodies get majorly fucked up. Then Caitlyn's mother becomes augmented and undergoes major character development.
The gold plating on Mel are actually augmentations. Her relationship with the Ferros clan was already hinted earlier in the season
@@chrishaven1489 If I had to bet money on a theory, this would be my last option xdd
@@kaijingarou6526 Contrary to what everyone else seems to think, the show doesn't deviate from the source material as much everyone thinks it does. The show doesn't upend the intial lore. It just alters details. But it still follows the main beats.
SPOILER-ish:
Caitlyn's parents don't die this way. That's all I'll say on the matter
And Mel being augmented makes a helluva lot more sense than it being Solari armour, as some others have suggested
I believe the line where Vi states "no one else needs to get hurt", she's referring to Caitlyn's mom who likely dies in the blast because I think that's pivotal to Caitlyn's arc.
Her mom dying both allows her to rejoin the Enforcers, but also gives her the much needed reason to join them that Grayson was referring to in her flashback when she asked a young Caitlyn what reason is she's shooting for.
22:04 - Is anyone else interested in seeing the new dynamic between Jinx and Sevika?
I find the potential to flesh out the both of them to be really exciting for season 2; namely Jinx's approach to forming relationships. Currently Jinx's relationships are extremely polarizing, she's either completely indifferent (Cait, Mylo, etc.), or unhealthily attached (Young Vi, Silco). She pretty much has a blank slate of relationships at the end of S1 which definitely gives her the chance to grow as a character since it wouldn't make sense for her to latch on to the first person she sees. But most importantly they she happens to have a lot in common with Sevika at the time (their link to Silco, consumption of Shimmer and its effects, and perhaps their attempts to get clean are just a few of them).
I'm mainly hoping for Jinx to be able to learn healthier approaches to her attachments to other people. And I think Sevika is not only the most likely person but the best one to show her this since I really can't see Sevika to babying her like Vi/Silco did, but I also don't expect her to kick Jinx to the kerb after the death of their leader perhaps out of respect for Silco - at least until she finds out how Silco died.
I find Jinx and Sevika's relationship really interesting, no idea which way it's gonna go. On the surface level they seem to hate each other, but they are on the same side fighting for Zaun. Crazy to think, Sevika has probably been the most consistent person in Jinx's life. I could see Jinx growing to trust Sevika
@@user-yh8li2tm8g I agree, and thanks for the response! It would be a great opportunity for Sevika to grey the lines with how Jinx forms relationships so they aren't frequently based on toxic attachment or cruel pococurante, but an acquaintanceship based on the mutual respect between both characters given what they've been through, and what they're fighting for. I could also imagine Jinx potentially helping Sevika with her fragile arm prosthetic, opening up another plot point about Jinx's potential to FINALLY help people with her talents, while also showing Sevika the benefits of forming relationships that aren't directly related to the advancement of her desires. I'm definitely postulating excessively here but I can't help but see it as a waste of material to not flesh out their relationship. :3 :)
That's an interesting take. I honestly think Sevika holds a lot of disdain for Jinx and seems to see her as more a liability than anything else. Sevika respects and stays loyal to strength through and through - Jinx, as we and Sevika know her, is too unstable to make a good leader/partner. So I totally believe she would kick Jinx to the curb and be done with her like she wanted to in the first place("She's a problem and we all know it"). I also think word would travel fast about how Silco died.
But I _really_ hope I'm 100% wrong, because I believe Sevika could actually be a good(.... Relatively) influence on Jinx. Like you said, she wouldn't be babied! What a twist would it be if Sevika were the one to push Jinx into finally confronting her trauma?😭👌 Sevika definitely knows about what haunts Jinx - she saw and understood how she froze up and lost it during that first fight scene. She also unfortunately knows just which buttons to press to hurt her( like calling her a jinx and saying Vi replaced her)
@@no.6377 Definitely, I think S1 has effectively displayed the weaknesses and that Jinx possesses, and even though it is itself a triumph for "Vi's sister" to accept that she is Jinx and not Powder, it's also a more-than-fair take to say that there are components about herself that she should want to work on even if Silco may praise them. I'm thinking that S1 answers the question about "who Jinx is", but I think S2 will likely answer the question about "who Jinx can be?" both for herself and potentially for other people. I'd find there would be little point for her arc if writers were to reaffirm the "Jinx is a Jinx" trend that's dominated S1, so while I can see her being ejected from any relationships in at the beginning of S2 for killing Silco, it would definitely be her rock bottom, meaning things could only improve for her arc from there.
Thanks for replying by the way!
Maybe Sevika will bow her head to Jinx?? She said before that she wouldn't be tempted to betray Silco with that dumbass with gold teeths but what about the person that was able to make Silco's dream true?
It may also continue the way that the fights with Vi had been (first fight: Sevika "barely wins" with the shimer arm, second: Vi wins with the Hex Tech gloves). This third fight, with Jinx upgrades, she wins over Vi (maybe Warwick came in the end letting Sevika fight the man she betray and said it was weak, showing her how strong he really is. It will also be very important to Vander because if she wouldn´t betray him, the story wouldn´t be the same)
i also try to see it like in a direct fight. Vi vs Sevika in a fist fight and Cait and Jinx in a shooting match.
Sevika quitting smoking may come after that final fight
To me Ekko's arch is obvious when you look at who he becomes in LoL lore:
He tries to convince Heimerdinger throughtout season 2, to help him create time travel, so that they can change the past and "save everyone". Obviously that won't work, but to me Ekko's season 1 arch tells us that he wants to honor the past and that the friends lost live on with their memories and the way they honour them. That to me translates into "wanting to see them again" thus Z-drive is eventually created, so I'd expect to see a prototype of it developed during this season. And some type of "well, it's theoretically possible to go back that far and save them all... but..." moment where we see Ekko's character growth as in letting the past go.
This only sort-of thematically fits with the Ekko we've been given/seen throughout schnee's videos - the storyline of Ekko is that he is present-focused, rather than past or future focused like many other characters. He is always "the third option". I don't see a character conflict of him trying to change the past unless something in Act 1 of Season 2 completely flips his morals on their head.
ekko's time travel doesn't work like that. he gains seconds-minutes back, at the most.
I don’t know League lore at all, just some bits and pieces I’ve been curious about, so I’m just gonna throw it out there. When we see Ekko in Episode 1 of Act 3, he talks about how many people they’ve lost, and how most of the deaths were caused by Silco and, therefore, Jinx. Later during that episode, we see a fight between him and Jinx, where he sees Powder in her. So, like, there’s clear connection between them (I know there’s a voice line regarding that in the game, but the show’s a little different). And now that Jinx shot the rocket at the council, which will most likely kill everyone except for Jayce, Victor and, potentially, Mel, it’s clear a war will start and everything bad that comes with it will follow. I think that’s gonna be the whole conflict of Ekko, where he sees how AWFUL everything is now, not Silco-level of awful but even worse. He’ll probably learn somehow that Jinx was the one to cause all that, and since there’s still this kind of connection between them, he’ll try to fix it by creating the Z-Drive and going back in time to try and fix what happened to her. But he’ll eventually fail and accept that he can’t change the past, so he can only try and change the future.
@@tofupowda That could be part of the story, he tries desperately to create a machine that travels back but only manages something that can take him a few seconds back
@@tofupowdaı mean in convergence he literally travelled back into his teen years but that game is no longer canon
What I want most out of season 2 is for a certain yordle to cross Jinx's path. It's time for Jinx to get a real friend and nobody would be better than Ziggs.
We would need to have Heimer be a “passionate” Hextech weapon creator first then.. just like how he is in the current games' lore.
@@hinnyu7748 Which is what I think the Ekko storyline is leading too. I believe Heimer is going to be the one who makes Ekko's time devise.
Bruh I thought you were gonna say teemo 😭
@I love you!! The way I interpreted the fight is that Ekko remembered how they used to fight as kids and then was able to counter Jinx in real time.
I just noticed that ppl's usee names are "I love you!!" And "haha yuck". I know that has nothing to do with the discussion but I found that funny. Lol.
( I also find it interesting what may happen with JInx... And what Ekko's arc will be).
Yk. After coming back to this and watching arc 1 for season 2 finally, I have a sudden feeling there may be a duality between Ambessa and Vander. They both are represented of the wolf, and whereas Ambessa’s personality shifts to one, Vander actually BECOMES one. And yet despite their looks, Vander (Warwick) is more human in personality while Ambessa is only human in looks.
And Ngl…I kinda get the vibe a fight between herself and Warwick could occur. A battle of wolves.
They didn't say P&Z will be only 2 seasons, could be 3 aswell.
WW doesnt have to be saving Vi, he could be a threat to Vi. I don't expect him to have Vander's memories, or much of them anyways. Arcane loves subverting expectations
Champion predictions: blitzcrank, Viktor's creation, kinda like his sidekick, his protector, his physical strength.
Orianna, likely Singed's daughter.
Urgot is my prediction.
@@user-gx6tu3mf4k for me defenitly Oriana, Camille, Urgot defenitly would make sense giving that he was sent to Zaun by Noxus (I wonder if we will see some Noxus assasins working for Mel's mom like Katarina, Samira or Talon), Renata Glasc (Finn talking about bigger fish than Silco and after that we are getting getting a chemtech baron? Defenitly sus) and maybe we will see also Zeri
I seem to remember someone on the writing team mentioning that they have an outline for 4-5 seasons
I like to think it will be 3 seasons in Piltover/Zaun as well. Fortiche was very formalistic about the 3 act structure for season 1, releasing the episodes in 3 batches of 3. I can totally see them continuing that so that Season 1 is just Act 1 of a larger 3 season Trilogy with each season being 9 episodes released in 3 batches of 3.
What about Camille?
came back here immediately after act 1. we got played so hard fr
Viktor was spot on though
One point of disagreement: Jayce's arc didn't end with him no longer seeing himself as young or green. In fact, his big argument for why Zaun should be given independence was that *no one* in the council or from piltover had the experience or knowledge or the ability to help Zaun. Only the actual people of Zaun can help Zaun. His arc ended in him acknowledging that he doesn't, and never will, have everything figured out. Jayce is constantly changing his beliefs throughout the story whenever he's pressured to go the other way. His flip-floppyness is a manifestation of the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing and so is very easily convinced to do what others tell him to do.
Not to say I don't think Jayce won't "become the warhawk". More specifically I think his arc in season 2 will be about really solidifying his ideals and standing by his decisions instead of existing in this continuous flux state where he doesn't actually know what he's doing. This was something that was kind of developing in Season 1 already, since the decision to give Zaun independence is the one big time he makes a decision like this not only without external pressure, but actually going against the external convictions of Vi who is still pushing for violence. So he may start out looking for war, but I think he will be at inner conflict about how he should stand which will be resolved at the end of the season, probably with him siding with Mel (regardless of the state of their relationship at the end of the season).
Finally someone who gets it
I think maybe its going to be him going headstrong double down on hunting for jinx but with the rest of the council dead it will leave pitlover near leaderless.
Well put, I felt this video acts like Jayce is more one dimensional or more of a bad person than he really is. Even though it would make sense, I hate the idea of him going to war after developing so much empathy for the people of Zaun and realizing how awful it would be. But I trust the writers will handle it or any of the characters progression well.
@@noahmclaughlin7921jayce IS one dimensional really, and I think his next arc is going to be him developing a spine. Jayce is very wishy washy and easily manipulated. He cannot stick with pretty much anything and has to be coerced into all of his decisions. In season one he was just a big guy with a big head and little agency. In season 2 I think we will see him making his own (probably huge) decisions and that this will be the final straw with mel and/or viktor. (their relationship will come to an inevitably messy end as we know viktor and jayce despise eachother in lol) The question for me is who gets hex tech/piltover in the divorce.
I love that Swain is in your character predictions. A scene that possibly supports this is when Jinx goes back to her childhood arcade/hideout, and callously shoots the bird. Crows and ravens are present in League, crows for Fiddlesticks, ravens for Swain. It could have been a crow, but I highly doubt Fiddlesticks would be there just to watch Jinx lose a boxing match against herself. Swain, however, gathers intelligence from his ravens. It could be entirely possible that he's been watching Zaun from afar, realizing that either Silco or Jinx could be a catalyst that gives him what he wants. The possible downside to this theory is where in the timeline this falls according to cannon League lore(which has already been confirmed to not really matter for Arcane, but it's something). Swain only has his raven powers after the first invasion of Ionia, and during that invasion, horrific chemical attacks were made by none other than Singed. So if the raven watching/getting shot is Swain's, the first few waves of invasion have already hit Ionia and Singed is a bonafide war criminal who has committed heinous crimes against humanity. It could also mean that the girl Ambessa killed in front of Mel was Ionian, and not only that, she could have been one of Irelia's siblings.
I really like this theory.
also I have a feeling that they're saving fiddlesticks for a demacia plot later down the track. not having it be a character, but having it as an antagonistic force being a dangerous nuisance to everyone running around causing problems.
Singed is likely in Zaun because of his status as a war criminal.
Otherwise, Swain is watching Zaun precisely because he needs help with the invasion, and we move into s3 with those two going to Ionia.
I wish it was a crow just so I could see Fiddlesticks. I don't play League, but he seems like an awesome character, and I'd love to see him. But Swain is probably the more likely option.
Swain uses the ravensto spy on people and feed on the dead when they feed they take peoples memories which is why he knows every secret about everyone the only person close to the tacticalness of swain is leblanc cuz she’s centuries old can clone herself and can mimic anyones appearance shes also the leader of the black rose cult in noxus the one that overthrew mordekaiser revived sion and untombed xerath and renekton
I don't think Jinx's and Vi's final act will be their ultimate separation. I think their final act will be to confront the past together, which as you said Warwick will help them with in some way or another. Also, although jinx rejected her sister in the end, I don't think she completely let her go. There are just some people in Jinx's life that she's not willing to give up, in life or death. We see this in the fact that she has these puppets and reminders of the people she thought of her family that she puts in her hideaways, or whatever she considers home. And ultimately that's Powder's biggest virtue, she loves her family, weather it be Silco, Vi, even trash talking Mylo. So I think the 2nd season will in some way highlight her biggest virtue, and confront that virtue with her flaws. Like she did throughout the first season, but this time in her isolation from the world, and her seperation from Silco, she might look more inwards. And ultimatly she will finally trust her sister or be consumed in madness. And whatever the outcome may be, it will also be her sister who contributes to it.
I hope the sisters reconnect and have a happy ending. As much as it pained but also joyed me on what happened in the story, i want a happy ending. Theyre sad! Pls!
And yeah Vi will contribute on what'll happen, good or bad. And Jinx didnt hate/leave her family, she still loved them, she still cares, she seeks love and care and also help, even if shes (scared?, Angry?, Confused?)to ask,and i hope she does get it. Silco cared for her as best as he can but he didnt treat her sickness and kind of made it worse by saying that she should let Powder die or to make her fears fear HER. He was a good parent but not a great one.
@@Just_a_piece_of_breadmaybe with the reuniting of jinx and Vi we will see the unification of piltover and zaun to fight against a greater enemy (noxus)
@@fart63 yeah! I think there was a bit of tension of noxus and piltover right? If most of the main cast in the council survived the blast (mel, cassandra, etc.) (hopefully), there could be unification happening with those who oppose out of the way, (hoskel, shoola, salo, etc.) Or if theyre alive, they'd be swayed for a unification because, well noxus, the litteral place of war.
But because of the attack made and the history of both sides, it may be a bit harder to do for both, especially for the zaunites.
"Had to be you."
I'm predicting this line was directed at Warwick. I'm envisioning Jinx getting hunted down by this real-life not-in-her-head monster, and when she's finally cornered, she somehow realizes who Warwick really is and says this to him. She'll feel that it's poetic justice that Vander kills her after what she did to him.
Holy shit, bro, that's genius!
Eeeey, that's a really cool prediction. I'd totally be okay with that
Love it, even though it's so saaaaad aaaaa but someway fair. I think it's on point the line on her, consider her personality and what she would say.
Nah, I'm going to predict it's directed at Cait. She already had this big confrontation with Vi and she basically decided she's Jinx now and Vi's sister Powder is dead. Meanwhile, Jinx got herself so worked up seeing Caitlyn as a threat to her relationship with Vi, that even tho that's gone, she might still see Cait as her nemesis (probably will more-so after Cait becomes sheriff), so I see that a final confrontation between these two is ripe, and this sounds like something she'd say to Cait.
Warwick doesn’t even remember who he is only when hes driven mad by the blood of criminals hes a vigilante in zaun just like zac and zeri
A cool way they could build up Vander's return is by giving us flashbacks at the start of each episode disguised as Vi and Powders flashback, since technically we didn't get ones for them and they could show us more of the parents that died and the war that happened where they lost their parents. But then we get a third flashback which'll be Vander's, and in that episode he'll be revealed to be alive and come back.
I think Viktor and Jayce going to have disagreement regarding hextech and ownership of the technology. If I remember correctly, they have similar conflict in the game. Most likely in aftermath of Jinxes attack and inevitable response from Piltover many civilians on both sides going to be hurt. It possible Viktor will try to help his fellow zonites with hextech, and Jayce may not like that. From his point of view zonites already used "his" invention for destruction, even after he offered them peace, so they can't be trusted. Viktor will remind Jayce, that technology would have been destroyed and Jayce would be dead, if he did not interfered, and that he figured out crucial part to make it work, so he can call hextech "his" as much, as Jayce. Jayce would argue, that Zaun dealt unspeakable damage with only one crystal, giving them more will be irresponsible. Viktor would remind him, they made this invention to help ordinary people no matter where they're from, and Jayce betraying this vision by using their invention as political tool. So it all goes down hill from there.
Regarding Heimerdinger, I think amidst all the mess his students done with magic, he may come to conclusion, that he had to remember his yordle roots and use it himself. Maybe to protect Ekko and his village, or maybe even help him develop his time controlling technology.
I've been predicting since the rocket first hit that the split between Jayce and Viktor starts in that rubble. Mel and her shiny back sense keeps her and Jayce more or less safe from the blast, but Viktor gets supremely messed up. Jayce goes against Viktor's wish to destroy the hexcore and instead uses it to save Viktor's life, not just from the disease but from the damage of the rocket as well. That betrayal of a promise and stripping away of agency forms the rift between the two friends. Worth noting, the hexcore gives Viktor a crystalline body that isn't all that mechanical. If Viktor is trying to undo some of the influence of the hexcore by replacing more and more of his new body with mechanical parts, that could explain his drive for machines.
heimerdinger making turrets for the firelight base would be a nice tie in to his abilities
Would love to have a retrospective on this. Some very good predictions.
I agree with you on the majority of what you said, but I think that the "resolution" of the whole Piltover/Zaun Vi/Jinx thing will happen maybe in s3 before moving on to other places and characters, just because it's gonna be THAT amount of chaos, especially if they want to introduce new characters in s2
Also, now that I think about it:
- I think that Ekko's line to Caitlyn "if your people had your way it'd be rubbling ash" (or something like that) when talking about the firelight hideout COULD be foreshadowing
- What Vi says in the s2 teaser may not be referred to Jinx, but to Warwick perhaps (?) or it could be somebody else. I think it's intentional mislead. Maybe she's not even talking to Caitlyn
- I don't think that "everyone" will want to go after Jinx. Everyone from Piltover for sure, but Idk about Zaun.
It is highly hypothetical of course, but it could be very similar to how things happened in ep2: no one really gives a shit if a crime was done in Piltover or who did it, everyone will simply take a chance to rebel against topside (I'm not taking into account the firelights here); not to mention that, indeed Jinx will be a lone wolf, but perhaps she'll want to be "fair" to Silco, and keep her destructive capacities for Piltover specifically, and perhaps if she ends up doing a major damage (in the physical sense) to Zaun in could be another accident
- Given that Silco stated the risk of being killed was something he was always aware of, he MIGHT have some kind of "plan" or procedure for that case scenario. And maybe Renata is a part of that and that's how she's introduced (?)
- As far as I know about Warwick's lore (as much relevance the lore of league of legends can have given that it was stated that show won't be 100% faithful to the game), he hunts down the chembarons and all the zaunites who left for Piltover, so (weirdly enough) I think that, at least in the beginning stage of his arc, he might establish a closer relationship with Jinx than with Vi
Personally, I think a few might laud Jinx as a revolutionary, but most people will condemn her. Chembarons aren't profiting when the cities are on the brink of civil war, so they will disagree because their pockets will be bleeding. Most regular Zaunites just want to be left alone and she just made shit worse for pretty much everybody. And Sevika will be pissed that the independence failed because Silco wouldn't give her up and maybe have her people hunt for her so that she can hand her over and honour Silco's deal.
@@hawkins347 Totally! But I think it could be more likely if Piltover hunts down Jinx specifically and offers something in return.
Like, indeed everyone will be mad, but taking the time and effort to find her and take her and I don't know what else it's another story, so unless there's a personal interest idk how many will spend their time like that, especially if the conflict already spread throughout both cities, in the sense of there might be bigger issues.
So unless she just happens to be around, I'm not sure how many zaunites will actually bother to go after her... but again, it's highly hypothetical
@@hawkins347 well, but there might be one particular zaunite that has an axe to grind with the chembarons for locking him into a mine, and that particular character also has a cinematic in which he fights against vi and caitlyn. I really hope they introduce urgot :)
but then again the Chembaroness Remi, who was so distraught to find her kid dead, still had an axe to grind with jinx, and I think there was some easteregg in the game that referred to remi having a special chemtech suit.
The "Sevika giving up power" and "kingmaker" stuff could be a setup for Urgot, who is also a Noxian. If Singed is one of the antagonists (theoretically), Urgot and his routing of some remaining Chem-Barons and eventual iron grip on the Undercity could be another neat sideplot.
I think its important to note, that they have Misled with their trailers/teasers before (watch Necrits video about it), which makes me think that maybe those Soundbytes are actually unrelated to eachother.
I was confused too that schnee thinks that those lines have to be directly related to each other.
That's like trailer knowledge 101.
They probably are, but the bit of Cait talking about going after someone's sister has to be with vi. My guess: Aftter a significant step fowar on their relationship (maybe a kiss, hopefully something more) Cait tells this to her in order to let her know that she has to take a side on this one
My first thought after hearing the teaser was that Jinx was talking to Warwick (knowing at that point that he is Vander), expecting to die at his hand - coming full circle, her past finally catching up to her, etc.
I don't know much about the role that ekko's will have in the second season, but my theory is that, at least in the end, when some of zaun's people will be too tired to accept the conditions they're in he will lead them (only in battle) against the medarda's faction (that will seek revenge for Mel).
zaun has no military, mederda's from what I gather are noxians, given that the portrait mel created is the immortal bastion, which is noxus' capitol. they wouldn't stand a chance against noxus, and also lore wise some characters such as singed fight for noxus, if I remember correctly.
but on the other hand ambessa showed us how much she cares for mel, who probably is dead as you say, and she holds jayce responsible for the problems with zaun.
@@danii7584 you're probably right, thanks for the note... it's always interesting to hear about arcane from different point of views (especially if what is said makes more sense)✨
@@danii7584 I agree and I am pretty confident of the fact that ambessa will seek battle for what has happened to her daughter (and for others interests as well,as it was shown in the first season). I just assumed that she would move war towards Zaun since she tried to convince Mel to do it herself (and since I doubt she would want to start a fight with a strong opponent and possible ally as piltover). But what is your idea??
@@nicolegorrieri1806 well, she also told jayce to handle the problems with zaun, and if mel dies due to jinx, a zaunite, then ambessa might hold jayce accountable. and she might be bitter because mel was the only child she had left.
anyways, I don't see ekko as leader, maybe heimer has a comeback as ex council leader.
Ekko has a comic book plot line that I think they’ll fall back on for a lot of his development.
ANOTHER THEORY. Alongside what I think will be Warwicks father arc bringing Jinx and Vi together I truly think Vi and Cait and maybe Ekko realize the full effect of Shimmer and what it did to Jinx. I think it would be a heart wrenching way too not only face their past and traumas in the form of WW/Vander, but give them a reason to not only forgive Jinx but to have it make sense and actually natural in the form of realizing Shimmer took over her mind. I think people overlook the effect shimmer had on her, it truly emphasized the demons as she was getting injected and it made it harder to actually be able to listen to the voice of Reason in the form of Powder. Maybe them finding a way to reverse the effects become a big plot point in this show. Because I don’t see Warwick being introduced as Vander without Vi and Jinx having some type of father resolution, and I don’t see that happening without going over what the heck happened at the end of EP 9. And I think those things answer that.
Personally don't think S2 will have Jayce be all about war because in a narrative sense it makes little sense, the terrorist attack was Jinx and Jinx alone, Vi and Caitlyn will be able to confirm this so Jayce wanting to wage war on the entire Undercity feels too far fetched and takes away so much of the character development he underwent, it would make much more sense for him to be focused on Jinx perhaps in an unhealthy way since he would believe she is the reason his peace proposition went up in smoke.
Definitely see the angle with Mel, S2 will be able her personal growth, finding a way to help the people she and Topside neglected and it will be interesting to see her interact with characters from Zaun especially Vi and maybe even Sevika
Bless. I'm so tired of the "Jayce will go genocidal maniac" takes. It would completely reverse is character development of s1 and like you said, it makes no sense to punish everyone for what Jinx did, especially since he has witnesses. Personally, I think he'll have a problem trying to wrangle a bloodthirsty crowd as Cait and Vi pursue Jinx to bring her to justice, and might lose the support of the population in the process.
@@hawkins347 Tell me about, the take lacks nuance and fails to note how Jayce develops in S1, for him to revert and do so in an extreme manner will be such a disservice to him and the arc he had.
I like that idea of him having to pacify Topside and how it would change his image of being the Golden Boy who has won the people's hearts. Seeing how he and Mel will navigate this new and unplanned situation (especially with Mel since so much of her in S1 was about being steps ahead in any and every situation) will be so good, the political aspects of it, if done right will be top tier
but jayce flipflopped for the entirety of season 1. like, Mel completely turned away violence but jayce still has it in his playbook. the "development" youre talking about doesnt go one way for him.
@@icecreamguru7584 I think saying Jayce flip flops does his character a huge disservice, his mind is changed when presented with new information especially when it is given to him by people who are somewhat knowledgeable in the field the problem lies in. This should be expected from any character in any form of media who is essentially a novice. For example with the war against Silco, at first isn't sure how to properly navigate the situation, Ambessa eggs him on for a more violent approach she even adds that she has experience which we and Jayce know, and Vi also has the same sentiments and she is someone from Zaun so she essentially knows what she is talking about, once he takes the life of a child and realises his rash behaviour, he decides talks of peace are the most logical ways forward and goes with that. That's how we end the season. Now to the point of how starting a war with Zaun does nothing for his character and would ruin the development he has gone through, Jayce does not engage in senseless violence, so why would he want to punish an entire Undercity for the crimes of one person?
@@kwabena3667 Well said. I swear that this fandom's insistence that Jayce is a violent lunatic is my supervillain origin story.
Season 2 Vi: So we be joinin some kinda league…of legends?
I love that you made the word "un-henching" a thing. Its amazing
I have a side note I wanted to share unrelated to the video's topic. Recently I've realised that I was able to sit through your videos fully and attentively, without ONCE getting distracted or bored by slow talking, because when you talk you talk fast and to the point. Your ideas are also so very intriguing and your directness towards the audience means that, for the first time in a VERY long time, I did not once experience the urge to click off or start zoning out from boredom, EVER. it has _also_ made me realise just how little i want to pay attention to most things because of how boring and time-consuming I find them, so I am very thankful for finding your videos and giving me a wider scope on how my brain functions!
Peace~
I love all of your videos, and I watch every single one of them while waiting for Arcane season 2. Your analysis videos just highlight so many details I missed when watching and you draw conclusions I never would have but make so much sense. All of these predictions sound really cool and plausible for S2.
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Le sserafim in the backround because of Seraphine. I was laughing for an entire minute, you're a genius and have great taste in music 🎶
thx! i was waiting to see someone mention this 😆
@@schnee1 😁
I never like to watch any spoilers/predictions/trailers before watching a show or movie- so i saved this video in my watch later to look at after I've watched the show. Now I can say- jesus christ man you are on point. This is so impressive😭
I just had a relization, are we gonna get a horror episode with Fiddlesticks if they get to him??? Cause if they do they better do him right!
I rather would like a mini series with him where they can go wild on the horror theme with an 18+ rating ^^. Tbh I don't see a possibility atm that he appears in Arcane since it is limited to Piltover/Zaun / Noxus. Fiddlesticks is said to be currently in Demacia.
@@redroseibarahime8755 if they make fiddlesticks they better make shaco and better make him so terrifying everybody pisses their pants.
@@redroseibarahime8755 Fiddlestick is everywhere like the world of runterra but Fiddlestick is more know in demacia. Fiddlesticks feed in human emotions, Fiddlestick knows everyone's fear.
Man I hope not, I want to be able to sleep at night
Unlikely.
Before Fiddlesticks appears they would have to set up that Demons exist in Runeterra.
I think Piltover is not the right place to do that, even though there is a story with Nocturne in Piltover.
But Season 2 will be full enough as it is, so I think they won't do it.
As for the crows, I think they are meant to symbolize Jinx as a bad omen, not to show that Fiddlesticks is coming.
I hope we can see more of silco and jinx through flashbacks, to really flesh out their relationship during the time skip. Also could Silco's soul be a catalyst for the demon Fiddle sticks, or become a void being. Alot of speculation think that silco will continue on as fishbones, as it gives parental advice.
I appreciate the small jokes throughout your videos a lot, like Heimi being “smol“ , and “Momdarda“ and “Warmummy“!
I never understood why jinx said “and see what pow pow thinks” in get jinxed, then I realized it’s her gun. The gun she named after her nickname that Vi gave her when she was powder. I have so much to say about that alone and how it plays into the story but it’s just interesting
I think Mel could be legitimately dead. I actually think her story is pretty well resolved where it is. She started as a wishy-washy politician and could die doing the ultimately moral thing. Plus her death would be great motivation for both Jayce and Ambessa in going full warhawk. I could see Ambessa trying to use the attack as motivation for persuading the Piltover characters to go scorched earth mode and Jayce falling for it. Personally I think Ambessa has more potential for growth as a character than Mel in her current form. Plus I just feel like we'll need to lose major characters as a result of Jinx's actions at the end of season one (besides Cait's mom who's a total goner). We're not losing Jayce or Viktor, so we might have to part with the only other vulnerable main character.
Plus her death could add a key similarity to the arcs of Jayce and Viktor, both of whom would have lost a person they were close to as a direct result of their actions (or inaction). Which would ultimately prove to be ironic because both of them are destined to continue barreling down the paths of destruction rather than commiserating over their failures and coming together as a result. Then again, she would be a hard character to part with so I guess we'll see!
It may be possible that Viktor dies in the attack. When Viktor first asked Jayce 'how much time do I have left?', the scene immediately cuts away to Sevika throwing down two very specific cards: Death and Magician. If I was a betting man, I'd put it all down on that right there was the biggest foreshadow of Viktor's fate. He will die and due to his symbiosis with the hexcore, it might feel forced or obligated in saving Viktor from an terminal end and rebuild his body to complete hextech form.
@@DeathwishGamer Viktor doesn't die, the story is following already established lore
@@DR3AMZonFire I think you misunderstand my meaning. What I am suggesting is Viktor dies but it is not the permanent kind due to the hexcore's symbiosis with him.
And it 'following the already established lore' is not word for word iteration. I think we can both agree to that? There's gonna be some liberties that are going to be taken and the stories aren't going to be a side-by-side mirror reflection of the lore.
@@DeathwishGamer that's a cool idea. Coming back from the dead, being stitched back up like Frankenstein, which ofcourse would work well with his name being Viktor and him being a crazy scientist.
When the season first ended I agreed with you. But I just rewatched arcane this last week amd I think Mel is more important than I originally thought. I dont think it was a coincidence thaf she was so symbolically linked to the sunlight and golden adornments. I think hee father might have been a solari or she has learned solar magic. That head turn before the bomb 💣 reaches the window seemed prescient and it looked like her gold adornments activated some trigger response. Amd if you remember those gold things seem go actually be part of her as she hD them on even when naked in bed with jayce. I looked up Leona and some soladi symbols amd it definitely looks like rne ring she wears amd the background of her in the cinematic. Bring on the sun priestess!!!
In the lore, Noxus has done business with Zaun (and Piltover, like what we see in Season 1) - but specifically with Singed. They went to him for his chemicals in order to tip the odds in their favor in their war with Ionia.
And these chemicals unleashed were so horrific that it resulted in the geocide of an entire sub-culture of Ionia (the Wuju, where Master Yi is from) and wiped out nearly all surrounding Noxian soldiers. (Leaving a lone survivor, Riven, completely scarred for life and questioning her place as a Noxian.)
It was the first thing I thought of in Arcane with Singed, and with Ambessa mentioning the need for weapons. I imagine they may go in that direction to lead up to focus more on Noxus after Season 2, especially with how the focus is "war".
Why are you assuming Vander won't just lose the battle against Warwick? I think that's most likely. Vander died, Warwick is someone else now and we're not getting him back no matter how much we wish for him to go back to normal, that won't happen.
Same here. I can't fathom Warwick remembering being Vander.
I've never played League of legends, by I know Warwick's lore. I don't think he will turn back to Vander.
he won't go back to normal, but in league he has a few voice lines, to singed that he remember what he did, to vi and jinx something about his, vander's, death. so he might remember in the end.
Maybe the moment where he dies or something he finally remembers but oops too late he’s dead now
9:14 seeing the trailer today, holy shit he got it right
The quotes you’ve given don’t give me the impression of Piltover/Zaun and the primary cast being pushed aside (at least temporarily) in favor of new regions and champions so much as it sounds like it wants to wrap up their current plot threads to move onto a story that ropes in more characters and parts of Runeterra alongside our current cast.
Is there anything else that gives the impression that Arcane will be split up into several multi-season arcs focusing on different casts?
Or am I just in denial because I really love the current characters and in a story so character-driven I don’t want to get attached to new ones?
That’s funny you say that, I’ve been thinking the same thing ever since my sixth binge watching. I’d love to see an _expansion_ but if we suddenly focused on Noxus of Freljord, I’d be constantly wondering what’s happening with Vi and Caitlyn.
I agree, I hope the story expands but still remains focused on the S1 characters. Vi and Jinx are the narrative heart of the show, it would be jarring to suddenly toss them aside and focus on completely new characters.
This comment couldn’t have been worded any more perfectly. I’m so with you on this!
I love the League lore and I'm always desperate for new content - if other characters and other regions got a spotlight I would be incredibly happy.
However arcane has a set place and idea. Suddenly switching to another region would make it feel like a completely different show.
They should just make a completely different show for that
since the first season came out, i just assumed they would change characters and storylines every two or three seasons, or finish this one plot we have rn and be done with the show entirely.
the story of jinx and vi can have a definite conclusion, and if they just keep dragging it out to squeeze six seasons or more out of it would definitely ruin it. i think the logical way to handle this show is to keep expanding on the political storyline while developing new personal storylines.
idt they would get rid of vi and jinx and the others though, it would be stupid to just forget about characters they've spent so much time on. i think they'd just find out how to balance them out with new characters that would end up taking more relevance for the sake of development.
anyone who says that won't be the case and we'll keep the same cast of characters forever, always with them as the main focus, sounds like pure coping and denial to me lmao idk
I think that when Vi says “no one else has to get hurt” that that means no one but her. She’s tried to sacrifice herself before, so it wouldn’t be a leap for her to do it again
There’s a subtle bit when Ekko and Vi meet in episode 7 where Ekko pauses when saying “When Vander… died” perhaps it touches on how he knows what Vander is becoming, but doesn’t want to set Vi off on a destructive path of failed redemption. Knowing that they all have to move forward and build something better.
That would be hardcore, what if “most was Silco” encompassed the good doctors doggy 0,0
My guess is ekkos "time travel" will be like creating a save state in a video game, you can load back to your last save letting Ekko test out different ways to approach a situation, However as time passes the save point will decay so we dont have any time travel shenanigans where he can go days or years back into the past but maybe 30 seconds to a minute or so. Also by making it so ekko has to set a save point we can avoid situations where he just goes back in time whenever something bad happens, that way he can only time travel when hes expecting to need to.
Man I just want to see more of CaitVi so baad.. I love how their relationship was set up, the themes it represents and all, and I really hope they get together. And I hope Jinx manages to somewhat heal, I know it's like impossible to undo everything she's been through, but just to see her coping in a healthy way would be amazing..but Arcane is probably going to crush our hearts by having Vi make a choice like kill her or Cait or some shit and she'll choose Cait..idk though
I don't think that any of these three will die, because they are champions in game so the wrriters can't kill them
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I am SO scared of getting queerbaited here.
VioLin (CaitVi) is so incredibly cute and gorgeous, and I love Arcane so much. I would be unbelievably mad if they half-ass their love-story, or anything like that.
So lets cross our fingers and hope for the best.
@@sportenapfeltorten2095 Can't say their relationship is being half-assed. They flirt a lot in the games already for years now (LoL & LoR) and they give some bits of their love life every now and then.. like Cait having a framed photo of Vi in her office desk.
@@toamszkozak8822 in the video the writers said that the champions won't be immune to dying in season 2, so it might actually happen after they reach their final forms and like complete their arcs
You can't do explicit homosexuality and get your production released in China. Or in most of the world where a majority of the population is Muslim. Or given the way they're heading, Russia. That's just how it is. 🤷♂
So, just a thing on the whole hindenburg bit of the video: maybe the season does start with the disaster, and kinda like a mirror to the first season’s flashbacks, showing little bits of it at every episode’s start until it finally happens, repeating the first flash forward’s story and completing it
Something you mentioned with Jayce going warhawk and thus needing an ally and thus going for Camille.
Well, assuming they do somehow manage to fit Vi in an enforcer roll - which I do somewhat doubt - she did literally tell Jayce that she has no problem with murdered kids to save Zaun. I don't know Camille, but I am doubtful it will get more "warhawk affirming" than standing over a dead kid and be like "shit happens, let's continue" ^^;
Yes. That was shocking for me, but it did seem to affirm Vi as an innately violent "vengeance seeker" more than a real "paragon of justice"
I took it more as a very cold realist approach. She probably has seen ppl including kids die from shimmer and shimmer related businesses.
Thus it was kind of expected?
A bit like the mentality of characters like Judge Dredd or Frank Castle. The latter without the revenge thing. So far when it's about revenge or aggression she always drops by Sevika and starts a brawl @.@
I’ve been watching ALL your videos on this giant binge while I animate and I can FEEL my writing getting better. Watching your analysis has helped me hash out so many important scenes that have been struggling with, and understand my characters much better.
Using flappy bird as a graph is the most chaotic evil thing ive ever seen
I did not expect these predictions to be THIS detailed, sheesh! Well done!
Interesting detail: Jinx in the present game wears a bullet around her neck. I think that bullet might represent something that made her who she REALLY is.
Or
It shows how she retains her Craziness at times
Could be for someone if it's still in its casing 😳
@@lespongy4688 possibly, possibly. Or the bullet it acute from Silco's body....... no wait
Or to be extremely dark she takes the bullets from Silco's body and then strings them together on some thread and then wears them
@@Sofia-ge6wm ..... now that, that's very dark.
@@AM-zo3mk Oh shit you have a very good point!
8:41 And Arcane ends with this exact image. Jinx is alive and well and happy and free!
I felt as you did about the lack of Arcane with Netflix’s Geeked Week. Totally bummed at first, then realized that it was actually a very good thing!
Love all your Arcane videos. Thank you for feeding my super healthy obsession 😅
Who else came back here after they viewd s2 to manny times?
I feel like the reason Vi is crying about no one else getting hurt could be that Cait's mom dies to the jinx rocket, and she cares a lot about Cait.
honesty now that season 2 has concluded, this was like 80% accurate 😭
i agree with a lot of these!! one of the things that i think you missed though was the fact that vi's conflict in season 2 could also relate to her trauma with what happened in episode 3 and with stillwater because those are both wildly unresolved. episode 9 really just tears open all these old wounds with how much it parallels episode 3: vi is restrained (the door falling on top of her, jinx tying her up), an attempt is made to save a family member (vander, jinx), she is powerless to do anything as it all goes wrong, someone/people die(s), there are blue clouds made by a hextech crystal which was used by jinx, it even takes place at the same cannery. vi also clearly blames herself for a lot of what has happened with jinx and episode 3 (congrats vander, you gave this child a guilt complex instead of teaching her responsibility) and if caitlyn's mom does die, that is going to layer on the guilt even further. not to mention prison is not a good place to process the trauma of losing your family because of your sister fucking shit up and lashing out at said sister, especially when you are getting routinely beat by guards and other prisoners. unfortunately a few days out of prison and with a pretty girl cannot fix that. especially considering everything else in s1- vi's mental state is not going to be doing so well.
i loved this video a lot, my only critique was this in the cait/vi/jinx section
(about vi and caitlyn) "...may even come to love her..."
i'm sorry, *may?*
I have always been obsessed with Warwick’s design before Arcane, I mainly was a fan through the lore. So after Arcane hinted at diving into his story I was so hyped!
I love these kinds of videos. I tend to think Mel dies in the explosion. Her arc was complete the moment she defiled her own painting and took off her ring and voted for peace. She rejected the ways of her family and chose her 12 year old self rather than her mother. Obviously Viktor survives. Jayce has to survive because someone in Piltover needs to understand how to create more Hextech but it's apparent Viktor's going to go his own way. He won't be able to bring himself to fight the Undercity. This will set up an alliance between Mel's mother and Jayce where Jayce will be the leader and Mel's mother his general/enforcer. We already saw her in his ear in episode 8 and he will be looking for guidance without Mel. In exchange for Hextech she will bring in parts of her own military to defend Piltover. As the story progresses, Jayce will begin to realize she's slowly taking over and setting up Piltover as a client state to Noxus.
I have this image of the denizens of the Undercity pouring into an undefended Piltover right after the Jinx attack and wreaking havoc. I also suspect Jinx will go into hiding and truly become an independent agent. Characters will talk about her, but she doesn't have a clear agenda now. Her attacks on Piltover were to please Silco, and not out of any personal malice. If she has any focus at all it will be Vi and Caitlin, but that doesn't feel right. She had her chance to eliminate Caitlin and she chose to leave her alive. I think she's done with it. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Vi/Jinx story centers around Vi trying to find Jinx.
I have to say I like the idea of the Jinx pirate zeppelin. That would be a very cool image with a crow-feather motif and monkey flag.
This is the direction I have felt it's going to go for a long time
Think outside the box. The political battle between Mel and her mother would be way more interesting. Besides, if Mel is dead then that guy who is after the Medardas as the last two episode set up might as well be up my ass. I don't care about Ambessa's problems at all. And neither do any of the characters.
@@hawkins347 It would be interesting to see Mel and her Mother go round and round. But it just feels to me like Mel's arc is over. The series needs a new heavy after Silco's and I don't see a clear candidate other than Mel's mother. She brings all of Mel's diplomatic cunning without the restraint, and she's desperate enough to do anything.
How powerful was Jinx's rocket? Obviously we don't know, but a lot actually hinges on that. If it leaves Piltover vulnerable, that would be the opportunity for Ambessa to bring in her own forces.
@@cormyat07 Yes, but for that to work, Ambessa would have to have more than surface level characterisation and she can only receive that through Mel, much like Silco was mostly characterised through his relationship with Jinx.
@@hawkins347 They can give her some strong characterization by showing her reaction to her lost daughter and develop it further through a relationship with Jayce.
Who knows? We're all just guessing. These writers are good enough at subversion to make all of us look like dolts when S2 drops.
There was a story a long time ago in which Viktor lobotomized some Zaunites (as they had a brain disease) to preserve them until he could develop a cure. Jayce found out and burned the warehouse to the ground because he thought Victor was building an army.
Love the theory’s
In lore viktor doesn’t associate with his cult very much since he mainly cares about helping people
Makes me think it will start as him getting people to follow him as he helps people and then another champion/important character will turn it into a cult
I don't believe Vander's/Warwick's resolution is going to be saving Vi, I think it's going to be saving Jinx. Vander has always saved Vi, his 'failures' as a father (at least from the limited time we were given with him in the first arc) are the lack of attention he gave to Powder, to me at least it makes more sense if his resolution is centred around correcting his 'failures' rather than fulfilling the same patterns over and over.
I really hate to think we’ll only get one more season of these characters. But if they do it right I guess I can accept it...
While I understand your point, I must say "better 2 fantastic seasons and move on" rather than have the season when Vi cheats on Cait and Jinx hook up with jayce or victor. so many shows fail for me because the showrunner/studio did not know when to say quit on a high note.
There are a lot more interesting Runeterran regions than the twin cities though. Piltover has always been my favorite (because I like steampunk) but I like Ionia too.. and Targon.. and the skinline alternate universes especially Star Guardians and Odyssey.
And there are also more interesting characters like Jinx.. a lot of them actually.
@@hinnyu7748 I think it is an advantage to have introduced Noxus. It can lead in so many directions from that point as they are embroiled in so many conflicts. The Darius cinematic "After Victory" is a nice primer to the Noxus way of thinking.
It's better this way. Shows and story arcs sometimes overstay their welcome. Besides, there are so many characters LoL has that we could fall in love with! (I say this as a non-league player, too toxic for me)
Well, LOL has many characters and a wide world building. Just because they'll end Arcane with 2 seasons doesn't mean there isn't enough material to work for future series if they wish so. Just that the focus would shift on different characters, seetings and goals (and maybe small cameos from Arcane). But that's wishful thinking, let's just hope the second season would be just as good as the first.
ive consumed so much arcane content and im just so excited to see the new stuff; new characters and especially new settings
wonderful video again!
I think you may have been reaching a bit on the analysis of "go after" said by Caitlyn at the beginning, but everything was incredible and always thought provoking and eye opening. Your videos have been my favorite analysis.
Also involving Viktor, let's not forget that in Season 1 his Bio arm is already shown in Arcane. It's what grazed Heimerdinger's pet Poporo. Although I think that is more of a prototype since it doesn't look like the weapon he uses in LoL.
I always thought that in the scene showing the arm, it accidentally shooting the poro was foreshadowing its use as a weapon 🤔
Ekko’s time travel is only a few seconds so it isnt a super serious thing. It basically makes for incredible fight scenes and a redo button. Maybe they will even put a limit on it like “I can rewind 5 times”
he also keeps the damage that is inflicted on him, so every time he rewinds he is filling up his opponents health bar and giving them all their items back but keeping his the same. The tension will skyrocket.
@@hwaryun7042 oh wow I didn't know that that's cool!
@@hwaryun7042 lol just by reading that made me feel hype
@@hwaryun7042 According to the devs that worked on Ekko, in the lore it actually does heal all the physical damage he takes in a fight. HOWEVER, his brain still registers the attack, so he still feels pain even after he rewinds, so if Ekko gets his ribs broken in a fight and rewinds, his ribs will be fixed but he will still feel like his ribs are shattered, which is pretty hardcore. So how many times Ekko can realistically rewind in a fight pretty much comes down to how much pain he can endure before he just collapses from the pain and exhaustion.
He has an unlimited limit which I think is fine since he can’t reverse his injuries so really he has a minimal amount of mistakes
First off, BRAVO. Incredible depth to these perspectives and predictions along with a ton of research.
Second off, all I know is when season 2 releases i'm gonna NUT.
I think Vi might be emotional about Caits mom getting killed via her empathy for Cait.
Other than that, maybe Urgot popsup and hurts Jinx. Which I doubt.
I wonder if we will see Singed working for Noxus, because if I remember right Singed will make a a chemical weapons for Noxus and they will used that in the war with Ionia
My money is on urgot pops up and hurts chembarons, or slightly altered, goes after piltover's ppl. maybe both. he was a nemesis of vi and cait, they have a cinematic if I remember correctly.
I feel like sevika could join in on urgots crusade against the chem barons, as she would keep her trait of having the 'quartermaster' role and it would mean she would be fighting against the traditional chem baron tyrants while inadvertently working for one.
Season 1 does show how Ekko's time device works. He presses "save" on the device, and then he can jump back to that moment within a predetermined amount of time. He couldn't save the pink-haird girl because Jinx shot her after the time had run out. He won against Jinx because he was able to play out the fight within the time limit and reset.
Theory time: I don't think Mel will be the one to save them. I think it will be the hexcore. Remember when the hexcore took away victor's newfound strength? I think it will give it back to Victor temporarily. In fact, I think it will give him more power than before, which gives him the time to get jayce out of the blast zone, saving his life once again.
Only this time, Jayce will not be grateful, because Mel was nearest to the explosion and Viktor didn't bother to save her. This will be the beginning of the conflict between Jayce and Viktor. Mel surviving will soften the blow, but it will still brew tension.
Look at it this way: Viktor gets ability to save them but only has time to save Jayce along with him. Continuing the cycle of saving each other.
Jayce thinks Mel is dead and blames Viktor in his anger and shock. Viktor is saddened by his ungratefulness unlike last time.
Jayce blames himself for trusting Zaun and insults Viktor for being a Zaunite, for being the same as them. This pushes Viktor further to Zaun.
Next it could go two ways:
1. Mel survives but is horribly injured and Jayce starts caring for her more.
2. Mel doesn't survive and things escalate even faster.
But hey that's just a theory
a half-arsed theory!
Thanks for reading
If Mel dies, and Madarda takes up residence in Piltover in the wake of the council attack, I could see her taking up a leadership role. But I think if she does, it will be short-lived, as Swain/son-killer will likely come for her, perhaps introduce us to one of the assassins from the game.
If Mel survives and is uninjured (via a Zhonia's effect as has been hypothesized), then I could see the rift between her and her mom getting larger, but it won't change keep Viktors and Jayce's relationship from falling apart, and like you said I think Jayce isn't going to trust Viktor anymore.
I found it interesting that when they were at the opera theatre in season 1, Mel (I think) said "your audience awaits" while looking down at the theatre ,which is a line associated with Jhin. Perhaps the violinist in that scene could've been Jhin, or it was teasing his presence for season 2.
I think Cait going after jinx is exactly that. Going after her, somewhere in Zaun. I don't think it's more complicated than that really, because at this point in the story, no one other than Vi and Caitlyn know about Jinx's attack, and maybe some councillors who survived.
Noxus' involvement is probably related to their invasion in Ionia, which could easily lead next series to other regions promptly. Also, during this timeline (if the invasion is still not done) Swain is not a Noxian leader at all, but someone who goes to war and loses his arm there, makes a pact with the raven demon to get his badass lookin' new arm and use this power to overthrow Boram Darkwill and set the Trifarix into Noxian leadership.
As for Singed's daughter, we may finally get the reveal that his real name is Corin Reveck and he started his twisted medical carreer to save his child's life, who looks a lot like Orianna in the picture from his locket.
I can't wait🔥
Thoughts on Ekko: I like the Hindenburg idea, and think it would be great if he worked with Heimerdinger to create souped-up hoverboards to attack zeppelins. We could see an attack by the Firelights on the warships, leading to the Firelights' defeat. That would show us how hard it is to take down Jinx's airborne defenses. More importantly, Ekko is the new Vi in the sense that he knows there's a glimmer of Powder in Jinx, and Jinx saw that he recognized her as who she once was. He won't change her - she's too far gone for redemption in his eyes - BUT I think he would be the one person she'd agree to talk to if there ever was a negotiation. Maybe he asks that she doesn't attack a certain target. She sends him on his way, but surprise! she withdraws her attack. This doesn't mean she'd change overall, but it gives us a teeny reminder that she isn't just a cookie-cutter villain.
Great ideas
I love the idea of like... "tsundere Jinx" to a degree, like she's wacky and messed up but she isn't a sadist and she'll spare those who are true innocents in her mind
I can't wait for a retrospective on these predictions once Season 2 does come out!
6:27 Vi is likely talking about Caitlyn's parents since her mom specifically is about to get blown up by Jinx's shark rocket (and part of her backstory is that both of her parents are dead)
For new champions I’d add Blitzcrank. He fits really well into the Viktor/Jayce conflict.
It's super interesting how all the areas you predicted wrong were overestimations: in one video you thought ambessas rage had to be fueled by a painful loss meaning mel was dead, and here you thought vi crying meant someone directly close to her must have gotten hurt.
that highlights how easy it is to latch on to single ideas. it's possible for ambessa to be fueled not out of rage but opportunity, for example, which is hard to consider when making predictions
I have some thoughts about Ekko's character arc:
Like just about all of the other characters, Ekko is very sure of what he wants. He want's to help the people of the undercity. And he does! I think we will see more of that in season two. However, knowing the wonderful skill of the writers, he has some unresolved internal conflict that will be further developed. We saw a bit of this when he was talking with Vi: "If I had just gone with you that day..." And that was the end of it. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's reminiscing about a mistake he made in the past given that his thing is time travel. We'll probably see him with the time tech in the first act.
Back to the internal conflict: we know what he wants, but we also know that there's more that he cares about: Vi and Jinx. My prediction: I think Ekko is going to go after Jinx (with the same idea as Vi, but a separate conflict), and if he messes up, he's just going to try over and over since he can rewind time. This also fits into the tragic theme of Arcane. Ekko's possible obsession over helping Jinx or resolving whatever internal conflict he has will be very emotional to watch.
Thinking about the line of “sins of the father” makes me wonder if season two will focus slightly more on Vi’s character arc. Season one was about Jinx stepping into herself. Because of, and despite, Silco’s fatherly influence on her. Thematically, to pair with the sisters’ Yin and Yang energy, that would make sense to me if in this chapter Vi wrestles with stepping into her own power and authority. Because of, or despite, Vander’s fatherly influence in her life. ❤
i don’t think it’s going to happen, but i would really loved to see fiddlesticks in season two for a more horror-ey vibe. the idea being that all the fear in piltover created by the jinx rocket attracted him, and he becomes something like a boogeyman that the sisters and cait have to fight
I just want to see a LOL Scarecrow Demon. That seems awesome.
I think we *will* see Fiddlesticks, but in a future season. They haven't even touched on the demons at all yet, and I think they'll wait to introduce them until we get to a different region. The regions have different flavors (Piltover/Zaun = different types of steampunk, so they run on different types of fantastical science; some of the other regions run on power[Noxus/Demacia], or gods/determination[Freljord], or spirituality/nature[Ionia], or tradition[Shurima], or memory[Shadow Isles], and I bet we'll get the demons tied in to one of the ones that's a more natural fit for them. ALTHOUGH, they have likely already tied Swain in, so we may get a slight intro to the concept of demons through him, but I highly doubt we'll meet any more yet.
My guess about Viktor becoming the "Machine Herald" is that Jayce will do it to him, using the Hex core, against Viktor's explicit instructions already expressed.