Forward Barracks (Low Elo Legends)
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Goths are known for their infantry.. so why not open with infantry?!
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I asked a guy today if he watched T90 and he said “I live for Low Elo Legends man”
bro its the only thing i watch lol
a dream interaction
The only content i watch for AOE nowdays tbh
This is the way. I really don't watch any of the tourney stuff, not interesting. LOVE low ELO and exploding kings.
We all do. We all do.
I started playing Aoe2 and I feel like I know what I'm doing slightly, and then I saw this series called Low Elo Legends and I was like "These guys must be pretty bad" only to watch most of these vids and see they have higher or the same Elo as me
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We all played this game wrong since 2000s...
Aoe2 is fun at any skill level. I like to think its a celebration of that.
Making 20 barracks in front of your enemies base and spaming waves of 20 huskarls every 4 seconds is the part of the game I live for
19:09 The Romans didn't use javelins or pilums *instead* of archers, they're simply more famous for using pilums extensively.
The Romans also used archers, slingers, light infantry with javelins, even light and heavy cavalry in addition to their heavy infantry. The legions are the most famous, but the ancient Roman military was way more diverse than many people assume.
Not to forget that the pilum tip was made of very soft iron so it would bend when hitting anything hard - they didn't throw the pillum to kill (that's what infantry is for...) but they wanted the pilum to unremovably stick in the enemies shield. It's pretty hard to deflect a blow when a long lever sticks out of your shield.
The game Rome Total War 2 picture this almost perfectly. Romans with all kinds of weapons and armors. Even romans with others colors than the classic "red" we always see in the movies.
I'll never understand people thinking Goths don't have an eco bonus. The instant loom is a villager or 25 second lead. Back when you started with loom it was really something. The 15 extra meat carried isn't pointless either. If you send 3 vills to a deer from any other civ they'll collect all but 12 meat then make a whole nother trip to the deer for the 12 meat then back to the mill. Then the extra boar damage is handy for new players
The extra boar damage is bad, you get used to 1 shotting boar and then play something else and now it takes a couple vollys
@@sylthaya7571 "man I hate getting faster foragers and free farm upgrades as the franks, completely throws off my timing for other civs" -said no one ever
I never understood it either, byz have literally 0 eco bonus and people go crazy over them
@@philipslima9654 cheaper trash is so good, it's basically an eco bonus
Wow, 700 ELO is not that bad these days! Reasonable build orders, not too much idle time, eating sheep one at a time, having solid plans at the beginning, even if the execution is still a bit sluggish. But they certainly know what they are doing at least in the beginning, they are on par with what 1000-1100 ELO used to look like before DE came out.
ELO inflation is a real thing, I came back to Aoe2 this month after last playing it last year I fell from 900elo to 700, Now I am back to 980 and I feel like I am playing harder than I ever was to keep the ELO up, definitely not the same 900 I was in last year
Honsestly once people know to eat one sheep at a time, they're pretty solid. Maybe they don't have a specific build order, but they know enough to keep making vils and have a goal like "make archers/knights"
im 700 and those guys would destroy me
@@invoker7931 Such a good sign. It means that people are getting better, and more people are playing.
As a kid I got frustrated that sheep had decay (not what I called it) so I grouped them away and walked them in one at a time but I often would have gaps in time they were done im not sure what my elo would be I haven't played online ever but I feel like I would struggle.
Small Goth bonus for slight early game boost: give a permanent +10 Pop to go with increasing the final pop cap to 210. Means they can delay house building slightly to go faster through DA (balance tweak option: splitting it across ages for +3 in DA, +3 in FA and +4 in CA)
Red, latter half of the game when he's trying to find a way to come back, stumbled across several clusters of unguarded eco, and forced his units to not engage.
It would have been tough for him to make a comeback anyway, but that really sealed it.
25:15 Right when you said "He deleted that idea" I was like "He's gonna drop it on that gold"
lol
Thank you T90
Your videos help.
GOTHS! Let's F*ckin GOOO!!!
Glad im not alone in the obscure community of youtube accounts named after AOE2 units/techs
seeing blue go to wood after building 5 rax while having 3 on gold and 30 on wood was making me scream inside
i don't got the time to watch most games anymore but I always try to make time for these low elo legends!
When I started working trucking a can of spam and a can of beans was my breakfast for the first year. Can barely look at a can of spam anymore unless it's the teriyaki or hickory smoke flavors because they have sugar
Ah man, Spam and Egg omelet was super good when I use to make them.
You whip up some eggs pour a little milk and cook em. Slice up the Spam in thin pieces. Toss a Flour Tortilla on a flat pan and warm it up. Take some Cheese and Melt it. Once it's all cooked up get a plate, Toss the Tortilla first and then the eggs, Pour the Melted cheese over the eggs and Finally the Cook Spam.
You could go the extra mile and toss some Pickled Carrots and jalapenos and Diced Potatoes but that gets super filling.
I deadass thought "Spam" and "Egg Omelet" were players with a reputation or something
Low elo legends remind me of 9 year old me playing skirmish on my uncles rig. Truly sim city xD
Gotta respect Red haha.
Hey t90. I bougth AOE2 after 2-3 years of watching you to sleep. I had some nice games. Today I played my first team game. I went mongol all in Castleage and my score was 4000 behind the rest but I had the highest army. We had one huge close battle and the first opponent resigned and I thought my mate was tilted and resigned because I confused the colors and resigned aswell. then 5 sec later the other opponent resigned and I felt very stuped :D
I keep rewatching the first minute, Tristan is love
27:00 I love spam so fricking much. The stuff is so bad for you but it's got all the best parts of thick cut bacon at a price better for broke college students
Had to make sure it wasnt me 😂 i always forward barracks and archery range.
It’s always funny to hear t90 trying to pronounce names in spanish 😂
what if you have a research tech that locks out the late game unique techs in exchange for an early game buff, like a choose your own adventure, but you can't go back
this unlimited inf spam happened to me in a team islands game
it was horrible and very effective
i played part of this as background noise while watching rats playing, it was quite the experience
When I started I thought that the skirmishers would be strong against cavalry because they do have spears sort of and they throw them so I thought it would be pretty effective
That was painful to watch. Blue could've finished in 20 min, he made such a perfect early forward barracks and then waited while Red was afraid and confused lol
"Goths counter everything" -T90
As a celts and aztecs player I couldn't disagree more
He is actually right. They got everything in late game. With what units of those civs would you beat Goths?
@garioldwin Well they both get significantly better infantry than the Goths and both have better economy... so to not get too detailed on specific scenarios I would beat the Goths with champion with those civs every time. High-level Goths players will go HC and lose to eagles and SO. Low level Goths players will just try to fight them with infantry and lose. But in these scenarios the Goths player won't even realistically get to Imperial against an enemy with even half his brain working. The Goths player has to go knights or Xbow in castle cuz he won't be able to keep up with infantry
@@alexandergannon7058 Man, we are talking about late game only and if both players make it economy isnt a factor anyomore. Goths have almost FU halbs and champions which are considerably cheaper and huscarls. They got almost FU crossbows and Cav Archers and HC. They have FU cavallier and hussar and to add bc, heavy scorpion and onager. They got answer to everything you have and in infantry case, very cheap answer. There is nothing you can do.
@garioldwin OK you're right, Goths aren't one of the worst 1v1 civs in the game. You should definitely keep playing them. Definitely nobody thinks you're stupid so don't be worried about that
@@alexandergannon7058 Its ranked 1v1 one of the worst civs and for a reason, and that is early game. How manny times do you see average and high elo players actually reach late imp in a game?? And I never play Goths.
T90 mentions the Goths getting their infantry discount in Dark Age made them super oppressive, but I wonder if a more restrained version of that could be interesting without breaking the game? If their militia were 5-10% cheaper, would that give them a little more scope to buy time early without totally warping things?
I think if you *were* to give goths more of an eco bonus, you could do something like make their military buildings cost less wood. Not a massive bonus in and of itself, but a thematic one that could be tweaked for numbers to make their early-mid game a little better. It's decently thematic too since there's the whole hillfort-esque bit of them not being able to build with stone walls. Of course there's always just tweaking their loom and hunting bonuses.
To compensate, you'd definitely have to nerf perfusion from 100% faster train time to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%-80%, possibly even removing some upgrades from their tech tree (though removing something like Champion might be killing their infantry identity too much).
I'm no expert though, so eh.
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Agreed
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I don't understand why T90 thinks that Shotels are an effective counter to Goths. It would surely be an indictment on Goths, the preeminent infantry spam civ, if they got beaten by Shotels.
Goths have hc and crossbows, Shotels would do nothing to Goths.
It's a lot easier to dodge a spear than to dodge an arrow.
Since goths early game is so weak i think it could be a good idea to give them supplies and reduce their discount about 5% through out the game.
It would address their weak start and it mght nerf them in the late game since halbs and huskarls would be more expensive.
I also think that goths have been nerfed in the last years by buffing the handcanoneer so much.
That could give them back a place in the meta. They might be strong in lower elo but at the top they are useless.
The last tournament i have seen them in was some A/B tier blackforest tournament and as a 1400 elo player i cant remember when i have seen them picked the last time.
Another idea might be to give them free squires.
Please comment what you think about that. :)
I think it's a very fine line. A 5% discount only let's their imperial age be even stronger.
Goths aren't weak. They just struggle in early game. It's a tradeoff for their disgusting unit generation late game
Interesting. I started playing AoE2 again after more than 20 years this week, and picked the Goths because I assumed they were an early game civ based on their hunting bonus, and quickly realized they probably weren't viable for a drush? Feels like civs with higher vil count/some early pop capacity are better for this, simply because not diverting vil time to building houses really helps. Also if I don't pay attention, my +15 meat carry capacity vils sometimes keep harvesting while I'm too low on food to produce villagers.
About Supplies, wouldn't it just make their very early game even slower while making their lategame that much better? Supplies is only available at Feodal, and at a cost. 75 Food and Gold is a big investment if you're going for early aggression, and before that point your suggestion is a straight nerf to Goths.I kinda agree that not getting Supplies or Arson for the Goths seems weird, but I see it as their civ bonuses allowing them to spare food and gold on those two barracks techs.
@@keystep8669 no i meant that their bonus would be reduced to -15%,-20%,-25%,-30.
And if they would have free supplies they could produce men at arms even in feudal age.
That would address their weak early game and since both halbs and huscarls would be more expensive, the late game would have a nerf.
@@Clebardman oh, they are very viable for a drush or a MAA rush. They have an infantry discount of 20% in dark age.
If they would get supplies they could make very cheap MAA and that could be a buff to their early game.
And the late game would be nerfed since their over all discount would be reduced.
@@bedwarssimple7615 ah
@T90Official funny story I actually ended teammates with bluebalu2 in a 2v2 ranked game🤣🤣 what are the odds?
Crushed it guy. Thank you
Id like to see a buff to the palisade walls, like how the Kumans have 33% more Hp as a team bonus i think it would be nice if they had a buff to the palisade armor. Id would make them safer in the early but in the late game id would still be the same
Anti-infantry specialist civs are so good against goths. Byzantine cataphract transition into gunpowder with cheap trash as a buffer.
It's not a bad strategy, as a ~1100 ELO player (looking to improve) that loves Goths and Vietnamese, I always boom with Vietnamese and go Man-at-Arms Feudal rush with Goths
"a running process may be interfering with the correct operation of aoe2 de" Tampering detection, can u help me guys? any tips? I turned everything OFF..and no results..
I love the low elo legends and all but this one was really painful.. :(
Reds first real raids come at almost an hour game time. If he did that a half hour ago he would have won
"He tower-rushed himself, bro!" #justT90things
"Rax" i do enjoy the starcraft relation :)
Mark needs to see this.
Is there a mod to permanently change all dirt color maps into grass color? The dirt color really hurts my eyes
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Blue made a number of decisions that would have thrown him the game, but initially played aggressively enough that red was too timid to take advantage of the opportunities. So much exposed eco, not enough on gold, delaying the flood while stockpiling resources for the largely unneeded bombards (huskarls would have just laughed at tower fire), red could have decimated blue's economy so many times, it was painful to watch.
31: 50 Red is walling because of that gold.
Btw Red's wall is horrendous.
Would throwing axe men be effective?
Saw in the chat… Slam got cut from GL?
The new Indian civs are way more op than when goths were at their peak. They were banned from an entire tourney for fear of them being used as the auto civ win. Flash forward to ttl2, and the 3 Indian civs were used as auto civ wins.
there's zero point in preserving goth late game if it's just going to be a dead civ. if that has to change so they arent the complete odd civ out then it needs to happen.
an eco bonus wont break them, they're still garbo till late castle. a new bonus would actually give them a chance of getting there in games above 1400 elo.
What if u gave goths the hability to create Vills while the TC is advancing to the next age
Edu Corte's Art
0:30 its actually blue.balu not blueblue, T90
That's what he said, BooBaloo
Goths in Imp and Supplies isn't watching :d
How would goths counter byzantines?
Frank player in red color is not at all fitting because of this historical fact: Red=England vs. Blue= France. Would you give team usa yellow color agains Sweden?
You say educortesart ,hope that helps. You're welcome.
I always wonder what low elo players are doing when they're producing literally nothing. Blue with 10s of thousands of resources just sitting there lmao, not producing vills, not producing army. It's like they're not even looking at the screen
Probably Edu-Cortes-Art
Name it ESA XD
GG GG GG
Goths get hard countered by malians, the gbeto is unbeatable by everything goths make
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Edu is just out of gold is why he goes for skirms
Does red think skirmishers do better against men in arms than Archers? Probably not. Dude just has no gold.
I have only been playin ai for week and dont fink im ready for you guys. Indo win games but sometimes the ai just hits me for 6 man. Love the these vids
The AI can't prepare you for mp games. It won't rush you, it won't defend properly, it won't even be a good indication for the flow of the game because it sleeps in Dark and Feudal ages for so long. It can be a good idea to practice fast starts against the AI to be ready for the first 5 mins of a mp game, but that's it.
I suggest jumping straight into ranked! So far I have only losses lol, but it's quite fun, and I'm improving.
@@Clebardmanyou're sure ?
Try FC on Arabia vs extreme AI.
They punish you hard in feudal or even militia rush you
Goths get bombard cannon?
Haha. Funny watching the comment section lose it's mind about blue being red
I have been trying to play, but every time I try to join a noob lobby, they kick me. How do you start with 1600 rank, but all the noob rooms want so much lower!? What's with this community?
Don't be a Smurf and play on your level?
Wait, I'm 700 elo
crap
I really like the idea of nerfing Perfusion. This change would be felt mostly at higher levels while those who struggle to spend their res would barely notice it. That's one way the Gothic late game could be nerfed without intruding on what people like about it. The only alternative I can think of would be to push it back further by making UTs more expensive and/or slower to research and maybe reducing the infantry discount before Imp. In that case, they would be more like Mongols and we could think about how to give them that early bump - which should be easy as there are longer lasting hunt and hunters not needing to drop off left on the table.
Blue balu should have been blue.
Well, that was fixed fast. Lol.
bolu2 (boludos) its an insult in Argentina
People may fear the Goths, but there is no reason to in this game. Red is just not a good player.
I mean Blue could be playing any civ and have the upper hand.
why is there not a low elo legends for aoe4? i love these videos but ive never played 2, only 4, so im not interested in watching these. but for some reason nobody has copied this concept with aoe4.
Can't copy the t90 vibe.
I think they need to turn perfusion into an upgrade that makes your military buildings slowly spawn free dudes.
ewwwww franks
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so [unpronouncable] is blue, and blue is red?
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