That was an amazing showcase of the flowing water animations! They were by far the most difficult thing for me to add in this update. 10/10 video as usual.
I _really_ want it to be released on Steam in Early Access. I just don't like going through Patreon for early access, it feels wrong. Plus, I want to be able to buy it for my friends, which I can't reasonably do with Patreon.
It is hard to understate how impressive this update looks on a technical level - flowing water, our first animated block texture, perhaps even our first ticked block (?) and a non-full block premiere? Super cool! Now if only we would get tree leaf decay or some other way that would make it so we don't need to dig around the 4d for 5 minutes to get rid of all the leaves after chopping a tree.. Perhaps a log block breaks all leaf block that are connected it and are on the same y-level when it is broken?
ill really be impressed once you add vertical slabs ive been watching this game's progression since its first video; great work! it's come a long way, and i hope to see it evolve even further!
aw hell yeah, finally a new update. haven't even played this game yet, as i'm waiting for the full release. i love voxel games like minecraft, and there are a few with an added twist, like 4d miner, or Planetsmith (being on a spherical world). I can't wait to get my hands on both of these when they're ready. :)
Hum... I wonder why he didn't try to do physically accurate water simulation, especially when most of the "hyper" costly simulation is out of sight. Truly mind-boggling. I guess we will never know.
the degree of computational complexity is increased due to the extra dimension. Say terraria water physics is O(n), allowing for very realistic physics (besides the odd fluid duplication behavior) without running into any problems unless you decide to drain an entire ocean at once. Minecraft water physics would be O(n^2), so instead of repeatedly doing calculations for finite water physics (note the finite water mod sort of cheats by making oceans infinite sources so digging up into one doesn't crash your game), it does pathfinding from a source block to lower ground, takes every path with the same cost in manhattan distance simultaneously, and leaves it at that until the source is removed or any water block along the stream is updated. Here having water pathfind to low ground would be O(n^3), so even if it is well optimized, having even the behavior Minecraft does could stress a CPU and/or GPU, especially considering one source block could potentially produce thousands if not millions of flowing blocks, so it just sort of just fans out if it's on ground and falls down if it's on air, with falling not resetting the water level of the next flowing water block, because doing that instead is O(n^2) complexity at the end of it due to the last flowing calculations' combined cost being based off the surface area of a (2n + 1)^3 cube in the worst case (even this can produce a total of 3374 flowing blocks from 1 source block at 7 max flow distance in 4D). Here n is the max flow distance.
@@donovanmahan2901 Indeed, when the computer is already fuming in 3D, adding on extra dimension would only further increase the complexity. On way to diminish the complexity would be to use nodes from a space partitioning tree (would it be called an hexa-tree then?) instead of just using the tiles to compute the water simulation. If this were to diminish the complexity enough you could even swap from cell water simulation to hyper-ball water simulation near the surface to simulate accurately the water surface, without computing the whole body of water accurately. And with all this work I don't even know if it could run properly lol. 4D is just too vast.
i love the concept of water moving you through the 4th dimension and making you dizzy and i think this game needs ships. i think being a pirate on a 4D ocean would be so sick.
I love how far this has come since the concept! I also like how from a logistics standpoint, it's just minecraft with another dimension, which I assume means 99% of the difficulty comes from rendering everything? That's just a guess
Awesome For water to be able to push you around 3D slices in 4D you could make it a new liquid type that has wacky properties such as glowing particles or something
4D is justified as 3 co-ordination render with co-ordination shuffle ag example every 3d having fixed point of coordination. And it contains 8 segments in order of abvaile all possible combinations . Ag (12 plane) (13plane)(14plane) . hight is extra, hight is plane , hight and extra both are plane , plains becomes high and extra. It is useful for diamantion switch/shifting . 4d formula hight 1 (plan 2,3 ) extra 4 , Shuffle it . Most important thing ; world generation must used be have 4 seed {simplify in finished} . just represents prisms is least points in 3d world each seed represents edge of
To be fair, the developer hasn't been good at updating people. I don't even see anything about this on their Patreon, just a poll nearly a year ago asking 'Seasons or Water', nothing about it already being done. I also really don't like that Patreon is the only place to see this, _and_ that the development updates are locked to patrons.
@@DonnaPinciot most of all updates are being put in the discord server in the hypersuporter chats so you need to link your patreon and discord but the time I had hypersuported we only got a update every few months idk If that is still so
@@RAMDER_plus sure, but it doesnt help understanding why, having a physical thing in a space you thought was blocked that doesnt kill you will help a ton.
Please allow us to put two different types of slabs on top of each other, this is one of the main things that pisses me of with Minecraft and would be amazing to have.
Scroll to do rotations, from the gameplay vids I've seen thus far it's only rotated on one axis to avoid this very problem I assume. I haven't tried this but I assume you can still use quaternions in 4d, but you need to account for the 4th axis where objects can rotate around 6 independent planes (XY, XZ, XW, YZ, YW, & ZW)
Could you port it to mobile + procedurally walking spiders(or something that resembles a spider but looks cool and interesting to fight) that can climb walls?
@@RAMDER_plus Why? I can totally understand why we can see it, but I just don't think regular liquids should be able to traver through the 4th dimension. I think I can't fully understand how exactly this game works.
@@egornick9206 traveling trough the 4th dimension doesnt really work like that you also couldnt have 2d water in a 3d world it would just spill to the sides
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4D lava is now also here!
Heres a short talking about it:
ruclips.net/user/shorts6VUORQJxyiM?si=GoRKceuI0NUEQTQo
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That was an amazing showcase of the flowing water animations! They were by far the most difficult thing for me to add in this update. 10/10 video as usual.
glad to see the video be mashpoe aproved
because this might be the most time I've spend on a 5 minute video
The animations are really cool, much more complex than in minecraft
The animations look like they would even be difficult in 3D.
How are you going to add.water caves?
the man himself
1:18 seems like a great way to make sure your house is hyperspider proof without too much brain power
Not that hard just put too solid boxes on the 4d edges of your house.
Imagine reading this without context.
Even easier way to check if it has holes is by following my 4d house tutorial
😉
This is how archeologists theorize how the ancient Egyptians made the pyramids as spider proof as they are
One good use for 4D water. You can find the holes in your 4D house now!
Other trick is to rotate
Or to follow my 4d house building tutorial
@RAMDER_plus if the hole is one you scrolled past you will have to full cycle till you find it
**drinks from 4d cup**
drinks lava from 4d bucket
@@RAMDER_plus **dies in 4d**
*water leaks out cuz 4d*
@@idioticed4379But… its a 4d cup😢
You’re spilling it every where
This is insane, can't wait until 4D miner releases on steam
there is a demo on stream,
it just doesnt have the water yet
but cant wait for full release yea
It's got a demo on steam, but it's outdated in comparison to these builds.
Maybe in like 5 years or something
I _really_ want it to be released on Steam in Early Access.
I just don't like going through Patreon for early access, it feels wrong.
Plus, I want to be able to buy it for my friends, which I can't reasonably do with Patreon.
It is hard to understate how impressive this update looks on a technical level - flowing water, our first animated block texture, perhaps even our first ticked block (?) and a non-full block premiere? Super cool! Now if only we would get tree leaf decay or some other way that would make it so we don't need to dig around the 4d for 5 minutes to get rid of all the leaves after chopping a tree.. Perhaps a log block breaks all leaf block that are connected it and are on the same y-level when it is broken?
I really hope mashpoe adds leave decay yea
Its very annoying
Epic news report Ramder, Ramder, and Ramder! Water is truly a game changer
Yea RAMDER and RAMDER did amazing
this is convenient, the flow of water can be used to understand whether there are holes in the house
Another way is by watching my 4d house tutorial
i can't believe ramder would collab with a smaller creator like ramder!
yea i saw his channel and he only had 333 subs
unlike me who has 3,12k views
i feel like a 2 dimensional being in a 3 dimansional world now, thanks
Awesome‚ i can finally drown in a 4D puddle of water
Well uhm actually...
Drowning has not been added yet
I feel like I've caught a glimpse of an eldritch horror. This game is vertigo inducing (positive)
Still nice to see this game being updated
ill really be impressed once you add vertical slabs
ive been watching this game's progression since its first video; great work! it's come a long way, and i hope to see it evolve even further!
once mashpoe adds the slabs*
i just make videos about the game and play it
“This ocean is also filled with number 2”
How dare you take it out of context
aw hell yeah, finally a new update. haven't even played this game yet, as i'm waiting for the full release. i love voxel games like minecraft, and there are a few with an added twist, like 4d miner, or Planetsmith (being on a spherical world). I can't wait to get my hands on both of these when they're ready. :)
Well once you do
Prepaire to get lost
Hum... I wonder why he didn't try to do physically accurate water simulation, especially when most of the "hyper" costly simulation is out of sight. Truly mind-boggling. I guess we will never know.
the degree of computational complexity is increased due to the extra dimension. Say terraria water physics is O(n), allowing for very realistic physics (besides the odd fluid duplication behavior) without running into any problems unless you decide to drain an entire ocean at once. Minecraft water physics would be O(n^2), so instead of repeatedly doing calculations for finite water physics (note the finite water mod sort of cheats by making oceans infinite sources so digging up into one doesn't crash your game), it does pathfinding from a source block to lower ground, takes every path with the same cost in manhattan distance simultaneously, and leaves it at that until the source is removed or any water block along the stream is updated. Here having water pathfind to low ground would be O(n^3), so even if it is well optimized, having even the behavior Minecraft does could stress a CPU and/or GPU, especially considering one source block could potentially produce thousands if not millions of flowing blocks, so it just sort of just fans out if it's on ground and falls down if it's on air, with falling not resetting the water level of the next flowing water block, because doing that instead is O(n^2) complexity at the end of it due to the last flowing calculations' combined cost being based off the surface area of a (2n + 1)^3 cube in the worst case (even this can produce a total of 3374 flowing blocks from 1 source block at 7 max flow distance in 4D). Here n is the max flow distance.
@@donovanmahan2901 Indeed, when the computer is already fuming in 3D, adding on extra dimension would only further increase the complexity.
On way to diminish the complexity would be to use nodes from a space partitioning tree (would it be called an hexa-tree then?) instead of just using the tiles to compute the water simulation.
If this were to diminish the complexity enough you could even swap from cell water simulation to hyper-ball water simulation near the surface to simulate accurately the water surface, without computing the whole body of water accurately.
And with all this work I don't even know if it could run properly lol. 4D is just too vast.
Probably because that already lags in 3d
Let alone 4d
Google "John Lin's sandbox," the gaming industry had him assassinated
The trolling potential is strong with this one. Its so gorgeous 🔥
Pls dont give the trolls any ideas
i love the concept of water moving you through the 4th dimension and making you dizzy and i think this game needs ships. i think being a pirate on a 4D ocean would be so sick.
We also need a 4d one piece
So we have motifation to sail the 7 seas
@@RAMDER_plus i’m so glad youre ON BOARD (didnt mean to make a boat pun but i go with the flow)
OMG, he actually made water flow in all four dimensions?!! I love it
Only took him like 1 year
4:20 water caustics
i was legit adding warter to my game and thinking, "huh, i wish water in minecraft flowed smoother" yt algorithm is creepy
i think google has figured out how to read minds
But isnt willing to tell us
I love how far this has come since the concept! I also like how from a logistics standpoint, it's just minecraft with another dimension, which I assume means 99% of the difficulty comes from rendering everything? That's just a guess
Honestly no idea
Not much of the development is shown
Just working/finished features
2:00 𝓕𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 water
Uhhh...
What
Dude, did you just smoked some Terraria texture pack ?
your really awesome dude. I might have to get back into 4D Miner
Awesome
For water to be able to push you around 3D slices in 4D you could make it a new liquid type that has wacky properties such as glowing particles or something
It's been a while man. Your videos have improved alot. Good job!
Thank you for noticing
Your project is impressive but 4D is something I cannot imagine... and comprehend visually. 😢
Well it aint my project
Its mashpoes game, and he has his own channel
I just make videos about the game
And yea, this game get very confusing
Love hearing about this game every so often.
This must have been a nightmare to develop
Me walking on a beach and randomly falling into an underwater bubble
Oof
1:20 Sounds like a nightmare, also INASANE VIDEO WOW
Yea once 4d4t updates to the new water versions its gonna be hell
@@RAMDER_plusoh yeah, because every house in 4d4t is 3D
0:28 sounds more like a nightmare
Whoa number 2 was insane, they put *water* in the *ocean* and *oasis*?! unheard of!
WOAHHH, water in the 4th dimension??? Crazy stuff 🕴
🤍
indeed
4:13 "what are nice waves?" XD
auto transcribed subtitles
so there are some mistakes
im very dyslectic so didnt notice the mistakes
It's really great to see that this game is still in development
Always has been
you had me at "4D Water"
4d water physics, oh my god mashpoe is insane
This is one of the first games I've seen that gets the vibe of minecraft right (while being its own thing)
Agree
Vertical slabs. something not even Minecraft would dare doing.
4D is justified as 3 co-ordination render with co-ordination shuffle ag example every 3d having fixed point of coordination. And it contains 8 segments in order of abvaile all possible combinations . Ag (12 plane) (13plane)(14plane) . hight is extra, hight is plane , hight and extra both are plane , plains becomes high and extra. It is useful for diamantion switch/shifting .
4d formula hight 1 (plan 2,3 ) extra 4 , Shuffle it . Most important thing ; world generation must used be have 4 seed {simplify in finished} . just represents prisms is least points in 3d world each seed represents edge of
This certainly explains where Mashpoe has been for the last year!
Yea there was a long silence
I didn't like how water flows, but I'm so amazed by the update! I love this project!
Might just take a bit to get used to
@@RAMDER_plus OMG HI I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND
3:20 That esperanto translation oh wow
honestly the idea of the 2d-3d frog makes me imagine a game like terraria but like that
That would be very cool
And would somehow turn 3d confusing
lets goo :D 4d water ftw
nerrd detected
Ah finally, the accurate depiction of my country's horrible plumbing systems.
😂
Cant even escape it in the gaming world
watergreifing gonna go CRAZY
I hope the water gets to flow infinitely down soon
Problem: laggggg
4D minor Confuses me alot, now they made it even more confusing
4d miner
It just takes a while to understand
Minor?? Lol
I haven’t followed 4D miner in over a year... I had no idea character models were added 😨
The character models were part if the multiplayer update
When you play in multiplayer and you rotate on the fourth dimension axis it is possible to see the organs of the other players
To be fair, the developer hasn't been good at updating people.
I don't even see anything about this on their Patreon, just a poll nearly a year ago asking 'Seasons or Water', nothing about it already being done.
I also really don't like that Patreon is the only place to see this, _and_ that the development updates are locked to patrons.
@@DonnaPinciot most of all updates are being put in the discord server in the hypersuporter chats
so you need to link your patreon and discord
but the time I had hypersuported we only got a update every few months
idk If that is still so
finally all the klein-bottles get some use.
water will be a brilliant training tool for finding gaps in your building
You can also use my 4d house tutorial
Its a lot easier
@@RAMDER_plus sure, but it doesnt help understanding why, having a physical thing in a space you thought was blocked that doesnt kill you will help a ton.
Meme into a fully flesh out game
I can not wait for the full release. I don’t have money.
hopefully full release wont be to expencive
luckly the demo is free
Cant wait to play one day ❤
Hopefully one day
Idea, when they’re holes in your house you go through every part of the 4th dimension until it’s filled
Or just use my 4d house tutorial
Its a lot easier then guessing
@@RAMDER_plus :O
I don’t even know what this is but I love it
You should look up mashpoe
He has videos explaining his game
Please allow us to put two different types of slabs on top of each other, this is one of the main things that pisses me of with Minecraft and would be amazing to have.
you'd need to suggest that to mashpoe
Kinda miss mashpoes devlogs but these are still fire
this game looks so cool omg?
i love the water animation
Yea it looks amazing
Shouldnt everything in your inventory be like a rotating gif cuz in 4d you see in 3d
Esperanto! I can play 4d miner in Esperanto‽ thats amazing!
How do you do rotations in 4d? I mean for 3d you need to use quaternions to avoid the gimbal lock, but what's the 4d equivalent of that?
Scroll to do rotations, from the gameplay vids I've seen thus far it's only rotated on one axis to avoid this very problem I assume.
I haven't tried this but I assume you can still use quaternions in 4d, but you need to account for the 4th axis where objects can rotate around 6 independent planes (XY, XZ, XW, YZ, YW, & ZW)
13D
3,1K L
225 C
3,74K S
46 951 V
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@@RAMDER_plus don’t mind that
Could you port it to mobile + procedurally walking spiders(or something that resembles a spider but looks cool and interesting to fight) that can climb walls?
Imma play this game when I’m ready
Yea
You really need to mentally prepair
@@RAMDER_plus luckily I’ve spent too long comprehending the incomprehensible
@@JuicyBurger29 lol
Same
When will we get 5D Miner with Timeline Jumping and Time Travel
Still waiting for vertical HALF slabs
What is the sea level? I'm guessing 16 from the cave video.
I have no idea
I didnt check
But id asume more then 16
I loved the report from ramder #3
Yea he did amazing job
Awesome sauce
might actually buy the patreon now 🤔
How the tables have turned
(Or however the saying goes)
@@RAMDER_plus this makes no sense
Skibidi
Didn't knew they were making 4D Terraria
Yes
Because thats what it is
4d terraria
Whats a minecraft? Never heard of it
This is so peak! God bless ya and Jesus loves ya!
So, will there also be regular 3D liquids that don't flow out of its slice?
Probably not
Seeing as thats not really how it works
ngl this game seems like masochism, you'd need to build your house OVER and OVER and OVER if you dont want people just 4Ding in
You could also do the boring option and dig down
Or do what i did in this video
And only make 1 slice
Finally!
I was afraid this game was dead.
Yea
Updates are taking a long time
BROOOOOO LEEEETTTTTSSSS GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
peakness
They should make a mobile version of this game because I don’t have a pc
fun in theory
untill your phone starts smoking
@@RAMDER_plus I think some phones can handle it. He just has to optimize it
@@ChampionVRYT its hard enough to optimize it enough to be able to run on a computer 😭
@@ChampionVRYT It's not worth a mobile port. Not to be a buzz kill, but the 4d slider is already being taken up the scroll wheel so far.
And other jokes you can tell your friends.
4d water yay!!!!
Nice
4D is 3D world plus time. The configuration of surpass walls is 5D.
idk it looks way too much like minecraft in the sense that is a world like the earth, I liked how alien the first version looked like, it was unique
it looks like any minecraft clone on the play store now, I'm kinda sad lol
yea kinda agree
im hoping that future updates stray away from minecraft logic
and makes up its own things
Sadly, I don't think regular water should be 4D, but the idea is really sick
There is no way to make it *not* 4d
It just aint how the 4th dimension works
@@RAMDER_plus Why? I can totally understand why we can see it, but I just don't think regular liquids should be able to traver through the 4th dimension.
I think I can't fully understand how exactly this game works.
@@egornick9206 traveling trough the 4th dimension doesnt really work like that
you also couldnt have 2d water in a 3d world
it would just spill to the sides
Ждём 4д фантомов, чтобы те бесили в 4 раза больше
Pls no
I want to play this game but my monkey brain cant comprehend what going on in the game
Best way to learn is by playing the game
Bro one-upped minecraft
👍👍
👈
vertical slabs please 🥹
is 4D water safe to drink?
3:20 Esperanto? WTH why did they have conlang? translate the actual language please not conlang
No idea
Not a expert in that field
What did conlangs do to you to react like this?
What would it feel like drinking it?
Realisticly the 4d water would fall out of your body
4d lava is AAAAAAAAAAAA
🧡
The 360 must be beyond
cant wait for 4d lava to **actually** be added
add book receipts to 4d miner its too hard
and achiveiments
Suggest it to mashpoe
Water
Yep
Yep
Wayr
3:21 Portuguese:)