Your solution for building that tabletop was brilliant, Sam! I am also "woodshop challenged," so I very much appreciate what you did. And removing those power connectors was a good move toward more realistic track. I would suggest one upgrade before you get much further along, though. Nailing the track directly to the wood base will result in very noisy running. I recommend pulling up the track and remounting it on cork sheet, cut in strips to form a roadbed. Alternatively, many folks will cover the tabletop with a sheet of home insulating foam (say, one inch thick) and glue the track to it. This will take care of the noise and would also allow cutting and shaping the scenicic ground and make it easir to add track ballast, trees, grass, etc., etc. And I'd paint your wood or foam base with a cheap medium to dark brown acrylic paint before adding the track. Then any gaps in your ballast and ground cover won't stick out. Sorry to go on so; guess I'm a bit over excited about your new layout. Cheers from Wisconsin!
This setup reminds me of my first layout. My grandfather had a love for model railways, and he built us a layout when I was maybe 4 years old. This is going back 25ish years. It was a basic loop, I don't remember many of the locos I had, but he cut the base wood himself, he assembled it all himself and he kept it in the garden shed when it wasn't used. He did eventually add a few sidings, but he died before being able to properly expand the layout, so a few years after his death, my dad and I moved the old layout to the house loft and made a weird boomerang shaped layout, basically out of two standard oval layouts. It was unplanned, but we eventually just linked both layouts. My stepmother filmed us working on it in 2006, and I only found the footage on an old CD a couple of years ago. I haven't seen or even touched the layout in 13 years, but it was a real trip looking at the old footage.
Even private ebayers combine postage so it's the least I would expect from hornby. Even if its just a tick box you select on their website like the hattons trunk service.
I really hope the TT 120 is successful for Hornby as it could be beneficial for those with limited space and a much bigger layout could be achieved as well. Keep up the good work Sam.
hint: solder to the bottom of the fishplates, you can remove them from the track to do it so no melting of sleepers and the fishplates generally take solder way better than rails anyway - run a few wires to somewhere to sick a terminal block (lay them alongside the rails on the surface and they can look like trackside infrastructure when painted (or use black/grey wires!) that baseboard is nicely done, did look at TT:120, looks nice, hope the range grows though
That was originally the plan (and same reasoning), on my own layout but I actually found the opposite to be true. Tried and failed repeatedly, to solder to fishplates, which steadfastly refused to accept solder - even when dipped in flux. However, when I switched to soldering directly to the rails, the solder melted quickly and easily, 'wetting' really well onto the nickel rails. No melting of the sleeper plastic, either. I don't know what the issue was (I was using new Hornby fishplates, supplied in a packet, and tried a variety of soldering irons, ranging from 15W to 45W. Also used 'proper' 60/40 tin/lead multicore solder, not the modern lead-free stuff).
It took a lot of trust... but my wood was awesome when it arrived, very very pleased with it. Glad I didn't try to cut it myself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam you... you splendid fella. That sigh at 1:15 is all the comment needed about Hornby at present. It also succinctly sums up why you are worth watching, time and again. Ta.
Wow Sam I love to see you make a new layout and it’s tt! I hope you don’t replace 00 with tt! Shame about the shipping! I love what you do you help me make good chooses when I get a new loco and make sure I don’t buy a faulty model!
I don't think Sam will be replacing OO. Both scales have their place in the hobby, and besides, Sam's got a museums collection of rolling stock in OO lol
Thank you! Nah I won't be replacing OO - as TG said, both scales definitely have a place, and there's hopefully lots to see from both! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My base board as a kid was a piece of chipboard that my dad cut into a rough shape with a jigsaw and then we painted it green. We made little trees from twisted brown wires and green foam. Built a load of HO kits for it with my dad. Had a couple of HO train sets on it. Happy days
Thank you for showing this, especially the track assembly and thank you for your detailed review of the train set as well. From what I have read or heard about TT Hornby want to attract new people to the hobby. I am potentially one of those people but I am not sure yet if I will commit. I need to figure out what I really want. Is the fun in taking lots of different track, building it up and trying to change the layout all the time which is how I played with the Scalextric or Lego. Or is the fun in having a layout and adding more and more to it in terms of detail and buildings as well as more track and trains. I am not a train enthusiast either but I can appreciate the proper British train types as opposed to the fake type steam locomotive I got given in a battery train set toy at Christmas. This is still fun but takes up lots of room, can only be a circle/oval and doesn’t run that great with it‘a single coach and speed! (Just at the point I had tried to forget about wanting a train set as well) One curious thing is the idea of a layout on a tabletop, which is something I would need, with either taking it apart every day or something that could lift off and be stored upright! On every video I have seen, except one, has been built on the fairly large boards like yours and some are even fixed in place or the intention is to take the room over! The layout on the table was to big and had the track rather perilously run off the end balanced on a stack of books. It’s not Scalextric so I presume having train crashes are best avoided. Maybe Lego trains would be for me!
looking forward to your tt:120 layout. i think that hornby are regular comedians as to the ordering and the way they put the tracks i a silly huge box. i lost it when you showed the size of the track pice and the box 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁 keep up the good work you are doing sam. 👍👍👍🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
haha I know - they need to invest in their own fulfilment facilities like the *real* retailers... whoever does it at the moment is (and has been for over a year) completely useless! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
They quite possibly contract out the packing as well as everything else that they seem to want to get someone else to do somewhere else on the planet, so it might be the fault of "A" I've certainly had several big boxes, bags of air &c. for tiny products from all sorts of companies. Via "A."
Good video here Sam, great to see track being put onto a board and not the floor especially with TT being smaller, from my experience I wish I had put my track onto some form of table when I first started in this hobby because nowadays I’m paying the price for having track on the floor and the floor I used to lay it on wasn’t carpet.
Oh great to see TT:120 content finally in action Sam. You know what, for the money you could just have well bought 2 Ikea Linnmon/Adils tables 100x60 cm, £35 each..., making 200x120cm. We’ve seen these used for a TT beginner setup which is a rather clever idea we thought. Well done for calling out H again. From our understanding, they have contracted a 3rd party logistics company..., but obviously the H way... (little regards for picking a reputable quality contractor, i.e. cheapskating). Understandably, you wanted to show H TT tracks, but Peco would trivially be the better choice probably. Anyway, each their own of course and great to see your TT content coming together. Cheerio.
Thanks very much Linda - sadly the tables wouldn't do, as I've had to think long and hard about where I can conveniently store the layout... so a custom board exactly the right size was the best way to go! Yes I understand they do use a 3rd party logistics company who have sucked for over a year and nothing seems to have been done. Peco would probably have been a better shout with hindsight! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got a question, How come you did not buy any of the TT sets? Would you say the sets are better value for money? Ok that’s two questions. Also I’ve noticed they have brought out the digital versions recently so wonder if they are any good too.
The Hornby postage method predates the TT 120 offering. Back when Hornby were the only vendor of pre-grouping carriages, the livery of one company was not being offered through the retailers. So I went on line to order a number of them to make up a consist of 6 different coaches. I could buy from Hornby but would have 6 postage charges added to that one order. As I live in Australia, each postage charge was more than the carriage. I wrote to Hornby to see if they could combine the order in one parcel. After quite a while the answer was a flat “No.”. They did not even bother with a nonsense excuse. So I did not order and bought the far superior Hattons version when they emerged. So glad.
Hi Sam, Interesting video on the TT120 system and the track went together well. However, I'm mystified by your choice of right hand points. In the real world you will find that cross overs are made up with left hand points. This is a safety feature as crossover point work has to be trailing in the main direction of travel, not facing, which is what yours are. On the subject of Hornby's errors, they even slipped up with the Club membership scheme. They promised a delivery date for the club packages which couldn't be kept to due to the massive response. I should have had mine just before Christmas and it arrived late January. Personally I think they've made a bad choice not involving the retailers. I know my good friends at Great Eastern Models in Norwich are not to impressed. As ever Sam, take care, Cheers, Jon B.
Thanks for that video Sam, I'm looking forward to the rest in the series. I don't know what Loco you have bought but I have just taken delivery of the "Eastener" and was a bit worried as loads of video I have seen show bits have fallen off the loco and the carriages make a terrible noise. Well my loco was fine but after running it in I then attached the carriages it sounds it sounds like they are dragging an injured animal around the track, although this only happens on the radius. I've ordered all the "Track Packs" and may have to buy some more track as I'm not too keen on the Hornby layout. I've decided on a 5X5 feet board.
Thanks Sam great review as per usual. I'll be moving house one day and mebbe I'll convert from 00 to tt120, I'm facinated to see what happens with this new scale. Regards Terry
When I was a lad (long, long, long time ago) I had a TT gauge, think it was Triang back then. Appreciate they are smaller but scale wise not sure how much. I know I used to use mainly OO gauge accessories, pretty sure it looked ok, but I was young.
I'm interested to see how this develops. I really thought you would have added some kind of shunting area for an inglenook puzzle. Do you plan on decorating it too?
TT is very popular in Europe with a range of manufacturers producing quite a scope of stock. Downside is it's a premium market and prices generally reflect this, although the start sets are acceptable
Smooth and flat track. This will be a revelation for Sam. If possible I leave a notation on orders for "ship complete". I have had a few instances where I get nickled and dimed to death with shipping charges.
Brilliant sam. Iv ordered the TT Easterner train set and it doesnt come with a track mat so some ideas are welcome. Im hoping to follow your lead, im hoping to have mine wall mounted.
Exciting times here Sam. DCC , TT:120 . I'm sensing Mallard, a Class 08, and some rolling stock coming our way. MDF company great service and a good option for many. Thanks Sam 👍. Cape Cod Steve
If anything else, those not wanting to solder could hide the power boxes underneath a station building or something. Although, Hornby could have just made the boxes separate from the track and have removable wires connecting them together to give modelers more options.
You can find a lot of things (aside from locos and rollingstock) on european markets, because in Soivet times the scale was picked up by some east german manufacturers and thus the scale spread accros eastern europe and is still popular.
TT size originated in Switzerland and Germany, later becoming very popular in the Eastern bloc courtesy of the future East German manufacturers, the western European TT just never really gained inroads, and with the advent of N scale dwindled away
@@muir8009 TT Scale was first introduced by H.P. Products in 1945; at the time, it was thought to be the smallest scale possible. But it was eclipsed by HO Scale in North America and caught on in Western Europe instead.
@@survivingworldsteam probably easier to just say they were at the same time: lytax and wesa '45, and they were ready to run just not named TT. Wesa actually had a krokodil in '46 - oh to find one of those! Lytax had that genius multi train control, fantastic to watch in action
When I built my layout, I also had no woodworking skills, so I didn’t do the baseboard with any framework. It still works either way. Also, I think Peco flexi track would be cheaper.
It is. Better quality too I reckon. The points are a bit pricey, but the reliability of them I bet will be better. They can be used as insulfrog or electrofrog which is pretty neat.
I'm surprised you opted for buying the tracks individually instead of buying one of the starter sets. 9:40 HO and N scale train sets have always used the same controller, as they both need the same amount of DC current going to them. G scale trains use a controller with more amperage (Bachmann's G scale controller uses 1 amp compared to 0.6 amp for their smaller scales) I do agree the power clamp is huge. Even N scale power tracks don't have such a giant clamp. 11:50 Bachmann's curve track packs always include enough to make one-third or one-quarter of a circle. I would like to see you add grass, ballast, and other details to this layout in the future. Maybe make this layout cover two baseboards to fit a station and yard.
I've discovered something Sam: tt120 set in Aus is the equivalent of 335 GBP, as opposed to 195 GBP in the UK, as opposed to the 175 GBP plus 50 GBP postage as I had ordered it less of course the club discount. Hornby have put a no online sales to Aus from the Hornby website. I appreciate the support your local etc, but I can get a Tillig start set for 122 GBP, in fact for the equivalent of 5 pounds more than the Hornby set, I can get a tillig digital start set. Yes Hornby make British stock whereas tillig, piko, arnold, kres, roco, schirmer, kuehn, Fischer etc are predominantly German. Fairly obviously none of this is the local scene, so a tt purchase will likely be based upon the size preference of tt, and the personal taste of whichever rolling stock appeals. I've already got a fair swag of tt scale, but I'm afraid the sales regime is creating too much of a price barrier to warrant even getting some novelty items, which is a shame. Much as I hugely want an A4 or the Duchess in tt, or even a class 37, they're not really shaping up to be remotely in the same league as the German stuff, whilst admittedly more expensive, the difference does not come close to offsetting the actual models as models.
Hi Sam. There have been a lot of complaints about the Hornby tray TT 120 track. In that the sleeper web is not flat but bends up. Also that you can not get a smooth perfect circle as the rails are too long on the outside, leaving gaps on the inner rail joints. How did you find the Hornby TT 120 track?
By the way, buying cordless power tools to make a layout does not have to be expensive. Parkside (not sponsored) 12v power tools are more than up to the task of a model railway building. or all you need is a measuring device, hand saw, hand drill and a screw driver to build a layout (hammer and nails can be substituted for the screwdrivers and screws.
Is it me - or did you forget to insulate between the loops at the turnouts? ...or do the turnouts provide the insulation? Would not be an issue for DCC, but I assume you are going to use analogue? Enjoy ;-)
Great project, as a uni student who travels to and from uni every summer I have a similar system but broken into slightly smaller sections that clip together. Off topic but can we get sam's trains slippers????
@samstrains what are your plans for the inner part of your board? More sidings and some scenery? I understand you can get TT scale cars trucks etc Great to see you are covering TT120 and also track planning/building
Sam I am not familiar with the TT trains here in the US. But I guess you can educate me. Why do you have 2 power sources since it should all be able to be handled by 1 controller because all the track makes contact. Or is there a problem with draw that needs 2 power tracks? That would seem like a waste of power to me
11:46 What? I was just under the assumption that this was basically just the same as normal Hornby OO track, and was confused as why these pieces would say TT120 on the box. Normal track needs 4 for a half curve, or 8 of the shorter ones, and part of the reason for that length is that standard points, the turning part has the same profile as a 2nd radius short piece, which means everything fits together. Looking at things though, those points are longer than the old standard points, do those TT120 points have a turning profile the same as a 3rd radius TT120 curve?
Very helpful video Sam. Having just returned to model railways with the new TT range I find myself with a clean slate, as it were, with freedom to now start from scratch and build a layout I can be proud of. I'll be going through my many years worth of issues of various model railway magazines to draw inspiration of scenic elements I'd like to include. Though I think I may also take some inspiration from my love of Rev Awdyry's Sodor. Having made baseboards in the past I still found your solution to be very inspiring and I may even use MDF Direct myself once I decide on what my layout will look like, not sure if I'll go a basic loop layout or be more adventurous with maybe an L shaped layout. Thank you for this very helpful video, can't wait to see what TT loco's you end up with. I have The Easterner set but eagerly awaiting G.W.R. models.
If you don't mind me saying. You need another set of points. If your traveling clockwise on the outside and switch to the inside. You have to backup to get to the outside.
just so you know, B&Q will cut sheets of MDF or ply free of charge. They will do several cuts of a single sheet and you just pay for the MDF. If you have a small car, you are of course limited to what will fit in your boot
@@maryginger4877 I’ve had good and bad experiences with the accuracy. I asked how accurate the cuts were and specified a width of 598mm. It was cut to exactly 598mm the first time by a young girl. The second time was a scruffy older bloke and it was a few mm off. I complained and made him recut
Yeah exactly - you're paying for a service as well as the material, including delivery... seemed like the best/cheapest/quickest way of getting what I wanted! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes!!! Thank you !!! I will building a TT120 layout, so this is appreciated! Not pre-ordering because of the postage issue which is known elsewhere. Will save up and order at once.
I like how Hornby is making a smaller scale for those with less room to build a model railway but why didn't they just make n gauge as it is smaller and already popular.
Another entertaining and instructive video. I think you are wise to use a baseboard. No matter how zealous you are hoovering, any piece of fluff will be larger relative to a TT mechanism than to an OO one. I am glad you managed to resolve the shipping cost issue with Hornby. I do hope that Hornby get their act together. No one on their side benefits from such triplications and it only does their reputation harm. Did the points and power tracks come together? Regarding the woodworking tools, you would have had them for another time but this assumes you might use them again at some point and have somewhere to store them. Please keep up the good work.
Yeah exactly - better a perfectly flat and fixed surface too for the same reasons. Yeah I agree - that was just incredibly wasteful. No the same thing happened again with the points and power tracks... two parcels on the same day xD Yeah that's right - I'm very tight on space, so buying all the tools for very occasional use wouldn't have been smart right now for me, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam for information, AnyRail software (free unless you build a massive layout) is free and includes Hornby TT:120 track. You could have used that and known for certain what size wood your layout would have fitted on and exactly what parts to order. You can print a track plan too. I have used it for two layouts now. Adding some wood glue when you screwed would have been good for additional strength and it is very cheap. I have a test track that is a similar size. It has one OO track and 2x 009 (or one for N and one for 009). I eventually added some scenery so photographing trains looked better. Are you adding some scenery?
I have had a similar experience but in spades!!! I ordered 5 sets of magnetic couplings 2x 20mm 1x17mm and 2x buckeyemagnetic couplings. 2 weeks later 2 boxes arrived 6in x 6in each with 2 4x2 inch plastic bags with 2 bags in. The next day a similar box arrived with another 4x2in bag. Despite oredering all at the same time I was charged 3 lots of postage nearly £12 for something that could be put in a jiffy envelope and posted. At least Hornby reimbursed me for two lots of postage. I will not order from Hornby directly again!!
Hi Sam, nice compact layout. Hornby are infuriating though. Peco also do TT track and some nice buildings are available too. Looking forward to your TT stock being reviewed. Have you got a TT Bullman though?? 🙂
Thanks David! Definitely not planning to just look at Hornby TT exclusively - if other manufacturers have something interesting, I'll be sure to cover it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Running trains on track pinned to plywood will be a bit noisy I think you need some insulation. Cork underlay (don't use that horrible foam track underlay) for the track and some carpet glued underneath the board will swallow up all the noise and you will just hear the click of wheels on joints .
I've just had the same problem with Hornby postage. 9 coaches, each packed separately, 9 payments each with postage. Hornby refunded the 9 lots of postage, each one separately. The admin & warehosing effort alone must be costing a fortune.
I think TT:120 will be the scale I'll go for as space is a big concern for me and, well 00 gauge is too big. Only downside to TT:120 is that its brand new and there isn't many models out for it. It might be worth waiting a year (and keeping an eye on the channel) to see what comes out for it.
That sounds fantastic - true, it's just getting started, but it seems like lots is coming to the scale... definitely one to watch! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Your solution for building that tabletop was brilliant, Sam! I am also "woodshop challenged," so I very much appreciate what you did. And removing those power connectors was a good move toward more realistic track. I would suggest one upgrade before you get much further along, though. Nailing the track directly to the wood base will result in very noisy running. I recommend pulling up the track and remounting it on cork sheet, cut in strips to form a roadbed. Alternatively, many folks will cover the tabletop with a sheet of home insulating foam (say, one inch thick) and glue the track to it. This will take care of the noise and would also allow cutting and shaping the scenicic ground and make it easir to add track ballast, trees, grass, etc., etc. And I'd paint your wood or foam base with a cheap medium to dark brown acrylic paint before adding the track. Then any gaps in your ballast and ground cover won't stick out. Sorry to go on so; guess I'm a bit over excited about your new layout. Cheers from Wisconsin!
This setup reminds me of my first layout. My grandfather had a love for model railways, and he built us a layout when I was maybe 4 years old. This is going back 25ish years. It was a basic loop, I don't remember many of the locos I had, but he cut the base wood himself, he assembled it all himself and he kept it in the garden shed when it wasn't used. He did eventually add a few sidings, but he died before being able to properly expand the layout, so a few years after his death, my dad and I moved the old layout to the house loft and made a weird boomerang shaped layout, basically out of two standard oval layouts. It was unplanned, but we eventually just linked both layouts. My stepmother filmed us working on it in 2006, and I only found the footage on an old CD a couple of years ago. I haven't seen or even touched the layout in 13 years, but it was a real trip looking at the old footage.
Even private ebayers combine postage so it's the least I would expect from hornby. Even if its just a tick box you select on their website like the hattons trunk service.
I really hope the TT 120 is successful for Hornby as it could be beneficial for those with limited space and a much bigger layout could be achieved as well.
Keep up the good work Sam.
hint: solder to the bottom of the fishplates, you can remove them from the track to do it so no melting of sleepers and the fishplates generally take solder way better than rails anyway - run a few wires to somewhere to sick a terminal block (lay them alongside the rails on the surface and they can look like trackside infrastructure when painted (or use black/grey wires!)
that baseboard is nicely done, did look at TT:120, looks nice, hope the range grows though
That was originally the plan (and same reasoning), on my own layout but I actually found the opposite to be true. Tried and failed repeatedly, to solder to fishplates, which steadfastly refused to accept solder - even when dipped in flux. However, when I switched to soldering directly to the rails, the solder melted quickly and easily, 'wetting' really well onto the nickel rails. No melting of the sleeper plastic, either. I don't know what the issue was (I was using new Hornby fishplates, supplied in a packet, and tried a variety of soldering irons, ranging from 15W to 45W. Also used 'proper' 60/40 tin/lead multicore solder, not the modern lead-free stuff).
love it. Thanks for doing tt:120 Sam!
It's a pleasure - I can't wait to get started :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome! Intrigued to see how the models turn out!
Me too!!
Great job Sam, but i don't really fancy someone else cutting my wood thanks 😳😳🤣🤣🤣
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@GreatWestern07 watch with caution ⚠️ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Someone already cut my wood
@GreatWestern07 i after they cut the wood they put salt in it
It took a lot of trust... but my wood was awesome when it arrived, very very pleased with it. Glad I didn't try to cut it myself!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam you... you splendid fella.
That sigh at 1:15 is all the comment needed about Hornby at present.
It also succinctly sums up why you are worth watching, time and again. Ta.
Great video - thanks for sharing your experiences. Can I ask what size the baseboard is?
Wow Sam I love to see you make a new layout and it’s tt! I hope you don’t replace 00 with tt! Shame about the shipping! I love what you do you help me make good chooses when I get a new loco and make sure I don’t buy a faulty model!
I don't think Sam will be replacing OO. Both scales have their place in the hobby, and besides, Sam's got a museums collection of rolling stock in OO lol
Thank you! Nah I won't be replacing OO - as TG said, both scales definitely have a place, and there's hopefully lots to see from both! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
got my TT set through today. Looks ok. Glad you're covering it.
Ahh sounds good - I'm yet to try one yet - can't wait! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My base board as a kid was a piece of chipboard that my dad cut into a rough shape with a jigsaw and then we painted it green. We made little trees from twisted brown wires and green foam. Built a load of HO kits for it with my dad. Had a couple of HO train sets on it. Happy days
Thank you for showing this, especially the track assembly and thank you for your detailed review of the train set as well. From what I have read or heard about TT Hornby want to attract new people to the hobby.
I am potentially one of those people but I am not sure yet if I will commit. I need to figure out what I really want. Is the fun in taking lots of different track, building it up and trying to change the layout all the time which is how I played with the Scalextric or Lego. Or is the fun in having a layout and adding more and more to it in terms of detail and buildings as well as more track and trains. I am not a train enthusiast either but I can appreciate the proper British train types as opposed to the fake type steam locomotive I got given in a battery train set toy at Christmas. This is still fun but takes up lots of room, can only be a circle/oval and doesn’t run that great with it‘a single coach and speed! (Just at the point I had tried to forget about wanting a train set as well)
One curious thing is the idea of a layout on a tabletop, which is something I would need, with either taking it apart every day or something that could lift off and be stored upright! On every video I have seen, except one, has been built on the fairly large boards like yours and some are even fixed in place or the intention is to take the room over! The layout on the table was to big and had the track rather perilously run off the end balanced on a stack of books. It’s not Scalextric so I presume having train crashes are best avoided.
Maybe Lego trains would be for me!
Very nice my friend again ur trains and ur ideas are the best. Keep being awesome. My layout isn't much. But I can show u my trains I have
Thank you so much - yeah sure, feel free to send me pics of your setup! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains ok
Where do u want me to send the pictures to
Thank you Sam about the Christmas stuff, I don't know why the Royal Mail is have problems this year so far.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
The Royal Mail were hacked...
What was the size of the baseboard you had built Sam? Thanks
looking forward to your tt:120 layout.
i think that hornby are regular comedians as to the
ordering and the way they put the tracks i a silly huge box.
i lost it when you showed the size of the track pice and the box 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁
keep up the good work you are doing sam.
👍👍👍🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
haha I know - they need to invest in their own fulfilment facilities like the *real* retailers... whoever does it at the moment is (and has been for over a year) completely useless!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
They quite possibly contract out the packing as well as everything else that they seem to want to get someone else to do somewhere else on the planet, so it might be the fault of "A"
I've certainly had several big boxes, bags of air &c. for tiny products from all sorts of companies. Via "A."
Sam, I'm glad I live in Australia because I can go to my local hobby store and buy the Hornby TT from them...
Good video here Sam, great to see track being put onto a board and not the floor especially with TT being smaller, from my experience I wish I had put my track onto some form of table when I first started in this hobby because nowadays I’m paying the price for having track on the floor and the floor I used to lay it on wasn’t carpet.
Thanks a lot David - yeah definitely, I suspect a sturdy board is necessary with TT!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very well done. I look forward to seeing tt scale trains running on it. What is the overall measurement of the layout? Cheers
beat me to it. I was about to ask the same question.
Thanks so much! The main board in mm is 1080x750
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oh great to see TT:120 content finally in action Sam. You know what, for the money you could just have well bought 2 Ikea Linnmon/Adils tables 100x60 cm, £35 each..., making 200x120cm. We’ve seen these used for a TT beginner setup which is a rather clever idea we thought.
Well done for calling out H again. From our understanding, they have contracted a 3rd party logistics company..., but obviously the H way... (little regards for picking a reputable quality contractor, i.e. cheapskating).
Understandably, you wanted to show H TT tracks, but Peco would trivially be the better choice probably. Anyway, each their own of course and great to see your TT content coming together. Cheerio.
Thanks very much Linda - sadly the tables wouldn't do, as I've had to think long and hard about where I can conveniently store the layout... so a custom board exactly the right size was the best way to go! Yes I understand they do use a 3rd party logistics company who have sucked for over a year and nothing seems to have been done. Peco would probably have been a better shout with hindsight!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
2 tables of 100 cm x 60 cm each would make 200 x 60 cm or 100 x 120 cm not 200 x 120 cm unless I'm missing something?
Yes, you did it Sam! Great stuff I'll watch with interest 👍
Pop some wheels on that and it'll fit under the bed 🙂
Thanks very much Ande - that's true actually!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got a question, How come you did not buy any of the TT sets? Would you say the sets are better value for money? Ok that’s two questions. Also I’ve noticed they have brought out the digital versions recently so wonder if they are any good too.
The Hornby postage method predates the TT 120 offering.
Back when Hornby were the only vendor of pre-grouping carriages, the livery of one company was not being offered through the retailers. So I went on line to order a number of them to make up a consist of 6 different coaches.
I could buy from Hornby but would have 6 postage charges added to that one order.
As I live in Australia, each postage charge was more than the carriage.
I wrote to Hornby to see if they could combine the order in one parcel.
After quite a while the answer was a flat “No.”. They did not even bother with a nonsense excuse.
So I did not order and bought the far superior Hattons version when they emerged. So glad.
Nice job and reasonable size layout.
Thank you! It's fairly compact but I think it should be big enough :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That's a pretty neat layout, will you be doing a similar kind of layout for N gauge trains
Thank you! Yes hopefully there will be room for an N scale circuit or two inside the TT ones!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
new layout will be cool Sam nice build to the channel thank lee
Hi Sam,
Interesting video on the TT120 system and the track went together well.
However, I'm mystified by your choice of right hand points. In the real world you will find that cross overs are made up with left hand points. This is a safety feature as crossover point work has to be trailing in the main direction of travel, not facing, which is what yours are.
On the subject of Hornby's errors, they even slipped up with the Club membership scheme. They promised a delivery date for the club packages which couldn't be kept to due to the massive response. I should have had mine just before Christmas and it arrived late January. Personally I think they've made a bad choice not involving the retailers. I know my good friends at Great Eastern Models in Norwich are not to impressed.
As ever Sam, take care,
Cheers, Jon B.
Thanks Sam. I'm looking forward to seeing a TT:120 Unboxing and Review video.
Oh boy!!! Tt120 is so good
decent job! I actually had to repeat the moment where you paused after saying about the "cut your wood" part and had to think for a moment! good humor
You should add some scenery like ballast grass a station etc to make it look nice and look like a proper model railway.
Thanks for that video Sam, I'm looking forward to the rest in the series. I don't know what Loco you have bought but I have just taken delivery of the "Eastener" and was a bit worried as loads of video I have seen show bits have fallen off the loco and the carriages make a terrible noise. Well my loco was fine but after running it in I then attached the carriages it sounds it sounds like they are dragging an injured animal around the track, although this only happens on the radius. I've ordered all the "Track Packs" and may have to buy some more track as I'm not too keen on the Hornby layout. I've decided on a 5X5 feet board.
Thanks Sam great review as per usual. I'll be moving house one day and mebbe I'll convert from 00 to tt120, I'm facinated to see what happens with this new scale. Regards Terry
When I was a lad (long, long, long time ago) I had a TT gauge, think it was Triang back then. Appreciate they are smaller but scale wise not sure how much. I know I used to use mainly OO gauge accessories, pretty sure it looked ok, but I was young.
I'm interested to see how this develops. I really thought you would have added some kind of shunting area for an inglenook puzzle.
Do you plan on decorating it too?
I remember an article in Model Railroader about TT scale in the early 90s. I wonder if Hornby can finally make the scale a success.
TT is very popular in Europe with a range of manufacturers producing quite a scope of stock. Downside is it's a premium market and prices generally reflect this, although the start sets are acceptable
Lovely stuff!!! Gotta say tho , the choice of no sidings is interesting.
Smooth and flat track. This will be a revelation for Sam.
If possible I leave a notation on orders for "ship complete". I have had a few
instances where I get nickled and dimed to death with shipping charges.
whats the widths of 3rd and 2nd radius? got a new coffee table and keep thinking "will it fit?"
Hoping to see some of the TT120 stuff at Model Rail Scotland in Glasgow later this month.
Brilliant sam. Iv ordered the TT Easterner train set and it doesnt come with a track mat so some ideas are welcome. Im hoping to follow your lead, im hoping to have mine wall mounted.
Exciting times here Sam. DCC , TT:120 . I'm sensing Mallard, a Class 08, and some rolling stock coming our way. MDF company great service and a good option for many.
Thanks Sam 👍.
Cape Cod Steve
Thanks a lot Bonne - very much so - it's all happening isn't it?! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Now you can review Australian Queensland Rail models in HO3.5!
Just anything Cape gauge would be awesome
Should have watched this one before your recent TT120 video. lol Anyway..thats great work Sam. Well done.
Yooooooo!! TT scale!
If anything else, those not wanting to solder could hide the power boxes underneath a station building or something. Although, Hornby could have just made the boxes separate from the track and have removable wires connecting them together to give modelers more options.
You can find a lot of things (aside from locos and rollingstock) on european markets, because in Soivet times the scale was picked up by some east german manufacturers and thus the scale spread accros eastern europe and is still popular.
TT size originated in Switzerland and Germany, later becoming very popular in the Eastern bloc courtesy of the future East German manufacturers, the western European TT just never really gained inroads, and with the advent of N scale dwindled away
@@muir8009 TT Scale was first introduced by H.P. Products in 1945; at the time, it was thought to be the smallest scale possible. But it was eclipsed by HO Scale in North America and caught on in Western Europe instead.
@@survivingworldsteam probably easier to just say they were at the same time: lytax and wesa '45, and they were ready to run just not named TT. Wesa actually had a krokodil in '46 - oh to find one of those!
Lytax had that genius multi train control, fantastic to watch in action
I'd love to see you get that OO layout onto some woodwork... I'm currently building a N gauge layout
I will do one day! And that sounds awesome - best of luck with it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When I built my layout, I also had no woodworking skills, so I didn’t do the baseboard with any framework. It still works either way. Also, I think Peco flexi track would be cheaper.
It is. Better quality too I reckon. The points are a bit pricey, but the reliability of them I bet will be better. They can be used as insulfrog or electrofrog which is pretty neat.
How wide is your board, i am interested in building similar, lengths not a problem just the turning 180.👍
I'm surprised you opted for buying the tracks individually instead of buying one of the starter sets.
9:40 HO and N scale train sets have always used the same controller, as they both need the same amount of DC current going to them. G scale trains use a controller with more amperage (Bachmann's G scale controller uses 1 amp compared to 0.6 amp for their smaller scales)
I do agree the power clamp is huge. Even N scale power tracks don't have such a giant clamp.
11:50 Bachmann's curve track packs always include enough to make one-third or one-quarter of a circle.
I would like to see you add grass, ballast, and other details to this layout in the future. Maybe make this layout cover two baseboards to fit a station and yard.
I've discovered something Sam: tt120 set in Aus is the equivalent of 335 GBP, as opposed to 195 GBP in the UK, as opposed to the 175 GBP plus 50 GBP postage as I had ordered it less of course the club discount.
Hornby have put a no online sales to Aus from the Hornby website.
I appreciate the support your local etc, but I can get a Tillig start set for 122 GBP, in fact for the equivalent of 5 pounds more than the Hornby set, I can get a tillig digital start set.
Yes Hornby make British stock whereas tillig, piko, arnold, kres, roco, schirmer, kuehn, Fischer etc are predominantly German.
Fairly obviously none of this is the local scene, so a tt purchase will likely be based upon the size preference of tt, and the personal taste of whichever rolling stock appeals.
I've already got a fair swag of tt scale, but I'm afraid the sales regime is creating too much of a price barrier to warrant even getting some novelty items, which is a shame.
Much as I hugely want an A4 or the Duchess in tt, or even a class 37, they're not really shaping up to be remotely in the same league as the German stuff, whilst admittedly more expensive, the difference does not come close to offsetting the actual models as models.
Hi Sam. There have been a lot of complaints about the Hornby tray TT 120 track. In that the sleeper web is not flat but bends up. Also that you can not get a smooth perfect circle as the rails are too long on the outside, leaving gaps on the inner rail joints. How did you find the Hornby TT 120 track?
By the way, buying cordless power tools to make a layout does not have to be expensive. Parkside (not sponsored) 12v power tools are more than up to the task of a model railway building.
or all you need is a measuring device, hand saw, hand drill and a screw driver to build a layout (hammer and nails can be substituted for the screwdrivers and screws.
Is it me - or did you forget to insulate between the loops at the turnouts? ...or do the turnouts provide the insulation? Would not be an issue for DCC, but I assume you are going to use analogue? Enjoy ;-)
What size did you get the boar cut to please. I'm looking at getting into TT my first set since I was a kid but trying too find where I can put it.
Great project, as a uni student who travels to and from uni every summer I have a similar system but broken into slightly smaller sections that clip together. Off topic but can we get sam's trains slippers????
I'm interested in TT120, however, I'm waiting for the traction I want to be produced. I'll use Peco track, though.
If you’re worried about melting plastic parts soldering to track you can solder your wires to a rail joiner/fish plate.
I really like your power connectors. Do you have a link for them?
Sure, they work pretty great! amzn.to/3DMXtDc
@samstrains what are your plans for the inner part of your board?
More sidings and some scenery?
I understand you can get TT scale cars trucks etc
Great to see you are covering TT120 and also track planning/building
This is the video ive been wating for! Will you be foing scenery on this?
Thank you!! Not right now, but maybe one day when I have a more permenant place for it :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I am not familiar with the TT trains here in the US. But I guess you can educate me. Why do you have 2 power sources since it should all be able to be handled by 1 controller because all the track makes contact. Or is there a problem with draw that needs 2 power tracks? That would seem like a waste of power to me
11:46 What? I was just under the assumption that this was basically just the same as normal Hornby OO track, and was confused as why these pieces would say TT120 on the box.
Normal track needs 4 for a half curve, or 8 of the shorter ones, and part of the reason for that length is that standard points, the turning part has the same profile as a 2nd radius short piece, which means everything fits together.
Looking at things though, those points are longer than the old standard points, do those TT120 points have a turning profile the same as a 3rd radius TT120 curve?
Very helpful video Sam.
Having just returned to model railways with the new TT range I find myself with a clean slate, as it were, with freedom to now start from scratch and build a layout I can be proud of. I'll be going through my many years worth of issues of various model railway magazines to draw inspiration of scenic elements I'd like to include. Though I think I may also take some inspiration from my love of Rev Awdyry's Sodor.
Having made baseboards in the past I still found your solution to be very inspiring and I may even use MDF Direct myself once I decide on what my layout will look like, not sure if I'll go a basic loop layout or be more adventurous with maybe an L shaped layout.
Thank you for this very helpful video, can't wait to see what TT loco's you end up with. I have The Easterner set but eagerly awaiting G.W.R. models.
If you don't mind me saying. You need another set of points. If your traveling clockwise on the outside and switch to the inside. You have to backup to get to the outside.
just so you know, B&Q will cut sheets of MDF or ply free of charge. They will do several cuts of a single sheet and you just pay for the MDF.
If you have a small car, you are of course limited to what will fit in your boot
Only in some stores. Best to check before you buy.
Not all B&Q stores cut wood and don't expect them to cut to high degree of accuarcy, allowing an extra inch or so will save a lot of pain.
@@maryginger4877 I’ve had good and bad experiences with the accuracy. I asked how accurate the cuts were and specified a width of 598mm. It was cut to exactly 598mm the first time by a young girl.
The second time was a scruffy older bloke and it was a few mm off. I complained and made him recut
@@paulnash4425 I always allow a little extra for mistakes, you make a slight error as Sam did laying the track, and one end is to close to the edge...
@@maryginger4877 yeah, I was not building a train layout, but needed a load of sheets cut precisely the same width that I then cut in various lengths
MDF direct seems very reasonable. Hardwood ply cut to size and delivered for £65. Sounds good to me
Yeah exactly - you're paying for a service as well as the material, including delivery... seemed like the best/cheapest/quickest way of getting what I wanted!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
And now I'm factoring in the cost of tools to do it yourself, the space to do it, the dust and the wastage. It's a great service.
Hi sam i hope your ok
After seeing this i am tempted to run a small tt gauge layout
Thanks a lot Lewis - as you see, it was very easily done!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes!!! Thank you !!! I will building a TT120 layout, so this is appreciated!
Not pre-ordering because of the postage issue which is known elsewhere. Will save up and order at once.
5:12 funny story Sam I use Blender 2.75 I think, to do all of my project :)
Cheers Jasper & Willow
I like how Hornby is making a smaller scale for those with less room to build a model railway but why didn't they just make n gauge as it is smaller and already popular.
Sam, your experience ordering the TT scale track from Hornby gives a very good argument for ordering Peco TT scale track from your retailers instead.
I'd certainly recommend giving that a try - got to be less of a headache regardless of which retailer you pick xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Another entertaining and instructive video.
I think you are wise to use a baseboard. No matter how zealous you are hoovering, any piece of fluff will be larger relative to a TT mechanism than to an OO one.
I am glad you managed to resolve the shipping cost issue with Hornby. I do hope that Hornby get their act together. No one on their side benefits from such triplications and it only does their reputation harm. Did the points and power tracks come together?
Regarding the woodworking tools, you would have had them for another time but this assumes you might use them again at some point and have somewhere to store them.
Please keep up the good work.
Yeah exactly - better a perfectly flat and fixed surface too for the same reasons. Yeah I agree - that was just incredibly wasteful. No the same thing happened again with the points and power tracks... two parcels on the same day xD
Yeah that's right - I'm very tight on space, so buying all the tools for very occasional use wouldn't have been smart right now for me,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, I ordered some of your merch the other day and it has arrived in a right state, help!
Sam. Hornby has yet to deliver my order from November. I am now getting really fed up. The boss may smile. Yet delivery is dire.
Sam for information, AnyRail software (free unless you build a massive layout) is free and includes Hornby TT:120 track. You could have used that and known for certain what size wood your layout would have fitted on and exactly what parts to order. You can print a track plan too. I have used it for two layouts now. Adding some wood glue when you screwed would have been good for additional strength and it is very cheap. I have a test track that is a similar size. It has one OO track and 2x 009 (or one for N and one for 009). I eventually added some scenery so photographing trains looked better. Are you adding some scenery?
I have had a similar experience but in spades!!!
I ordered 5 sets of magnetic couplings 2x 20mm 1x17mm and 2x buckeyemagnetic couplings.
2 weeks later 2 boxes arrived 6in x 6in each with 2 4x2 inch plastic bags with 2 bags in. The next day a similar box arrived with another 4x2in bag. Despite oredering all at the same time I was charged 3 lots of postage nearly £12 for something that could be put in a jiffy envelope and posted. At least Hornby reimbursed me for two lots of postage. I will not order from Hornby directly again!!
You should add a yard and a train shed it would be so great
Nice base, your 🔨 hammering reminded me of a Benny hill sketch 😂
One day Sam 😃I can see your TT layout getting bigger, with a few sidings .
Maybe!! Fingers crossed :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey, you’ve finally got a layout on a baseboard 🎉😊😊
So which locomotives and rolling stock will you be buying?
Awesome video today Sam really looking forward to see what you have planned
Thanks a lot James - I'm looking forward to it as well! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam I have a question, what's your favorite articulated class of locomotive?
That's tricky! It'd have to be the big boy I guess!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, nice compact layout. Hornby are infuriating though. Peco also do TT track and some nice buildings are available too. Looking forward to your TT stock being reviewed. Have you got a TT Bullman though?? 🙂
Thanks David! Definitely not planning to just look at Hornby TT exclusively - if other manufacturers have something interesting, I'll be sure to cover it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam I’m not sure what TT : 120 is and what the difference is from ho and oo could you explain
Its smaller. H0 is 1:87, 00 is 1:76 and TT is 1:120
could you try to expand the layout and make a series on it?
Running trains on track pinned to plywood will be a bit noisy I think you need some insulation. Cork underlay (don't use that horrible foam track underlay) for the track and some carpet glued underneath the board will swallow up all the noise and you will just hear the click of wheels on joints .
Hello, what was the size of the thin baseboard you used
Thet finally removed the old round pin power connectors?
So is TT something completely new for model railroading or is it just new for Hornby? I’ve never heard of that scale until now honestly
I've just had the same problem with Hornby postage. 9 coaches, each packed separately, 9 payments each with postage. Hornby refunded the 9 lots of postage, each one separately. The admin & warehosing effort alone must be costing a fortune.
I saw you j70 review so I decided to let's you about the tramcars
Can't wait to see the TT reviews
Me neither!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What type of connectors did you use on the end of the wire
I think TT:120 will be the scale I'll go for as space is a big concern for me and, well 00 gauge is too big. Only downside to TT:120 is that its brand new and there isn't many models out for it. It might be worth waiting a year (and keeping an eye on the channel) to see what comes out for it.
Got my first TT:120 set the other day, The Easterner, it's really good. Strongly considering to switch to TT now
I'm might wait to see what releases first as it's a brand new scale.
That sounds fantastic - true, it's just getting started, but it seems like lots is coming to the scale... definitely one to watch!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The problem is if everyone waits a year it will never get off the ground. Then you would miss out.
I guess that's true, Guess I just wanna see more before I commit to a layout.
Probably still helping hornby sell a few more TT sets! Did you forget the plastic rail joiners?