@@MostlyBuses1also are the new electric buses meant for the 18 those that now temporarily run on the 23? Apart from that I see OMEs on the 452 pretty often and at least 2 VMHs today
@@ltz1437 I don't think it's been confirmed yet but I doubt RATP would order any OMEs but I hope they do since they're really nice buses. The 452 has a pretty good variety of buses on it. VDWs, WHs, VHs, VMHs and OMEs.
Nice! I hope the new Electrics will have a higher capacity than the current hybrids. They can only keep increasing the PVR so much to where its effective.
@@nathanw9770 Thanks. And yeah if RATP have already ordered the buses I think it could be more Electroliners since that's what the 31 is getting and they seem to have more capacity than the BD11s judging by that video of one of their interiors.
The 18’s PVR use to be close to 50 back in the days. RATP I remember when they won the route, they ordered a lot of BF67 VHs from VH45216-251 but they could order only so much that they got some spare 65 and 16 regs to cover the rest of the PVR. The spare VHs were meant to deck the 72 in 2016 but it didn’t happen so they went to the 18’s big win. The 18 did have a fair few PVR cuts which released VH45247-251 to the 423 as well as VH45255-257 which was ridiculous as the 18 should never have had PVR curs
The G3s will be reallocated. Just wait for the tenders on routes like the 452 etc. I doubt the 207 will go back to first with the VHs, it’ll go electric either way or could go fully MMC operation with the 270/285’s Smarts especially if the 285 goes electric or is lost. First could bid for the 285 with VHs from the 18 too tbh
207 is a very heavy route, requiring just 9 buses less and is very demanding and very busy. Despite it being surrounded by alternative routes based off of it.
@@MostlyBuses1 RP simply isn't needed and is the reason this company does have its own problems where ex-Tower Transit going to benefit from late 2017 space has been up to 150 capacity, old PK closed in 2017.
It was because the time slid back to before First allocated to the 18 once X partially gave way just citaros would have provided new insights into WJ creation of late 2003/4.
I'm very pleased that the 18 will be based at its original home of Westbourne Park but I still wish that it had a supporting route between Kensal Green and Wembley like the original intention for route 23 before it was changed to Hammersmith.
@@drewphillips2359 Agreed. If they rerouted the 23 and made it a Hammersmith to Wembley Central route I think it would do quite well. They could even reduce the 18's frequency on the weekends although nothing too drastic obviously.
The 23 plan is stupid, I don’t support that one bit. It’s always been a central London route and even then I don’t like what’s happened to the 45. The 45 was a well used central London route until it got cut to elephant and now it’s basically becoming a Morden to Camberwell route. I’m happy the 23 is staying at Aldwych, the routing via green park has done better than the 6 ever has tbh
@@MostlyBuses1 It's true that TfL have done exactly what would be nice for some clarification follow around Hammersmith chose to disband the 10 and previously unserved roads. I disagree it’s hard to come back to Oxford Street but swapping effectively like many other routeings are based on certain as this because there is a terrible regime 23 would probably cause traffic hotspots, yet do nothing to resolve at Wembley - Lancaster Gate suffer worse due to longer route. Thing about the new routes to comply 48 section for the better good development, I think is actually rather positive initiatives such as lost links with failure from Aldwych since when 13 got cancelled.
I’m glad the 18 is going to X, it’ll be good to see EvoSetis, OMEs and BCEs stray on the route and that’s if the BCEs do stay on the 295. I reckon the 18 will get Electroliners to match with the 31
Agreed. It's good to see it going back to (an ex) First garage. Hopefully it'll get moved soon so that ADHs stray on it (hopefully even a VDW as well). I think RATP might not have placed an order yet so it could be First who orders buses, although I think it'll be Electroliners either way.
@@MostlyBuses1ooh a VDW straying onto the route is the closest thing you can get to one of the BF60’s straying onto the route. It’s a shame they were withdrawn after only 7 years.
Yeah a VDW would be the closest thing to the Metroline West B9TL days on the 18 when it had those BF60 VWs. The thing is, they only lasted 7 years as they were leased so once the 18 was lost to RATP and mind you the route did have a higher PVR up to nearly 50 buses, there was just lots of VWs spare and there was nowhere for them to go for Metroline to extend the lease so they had to go either way. I remember one or two BF60 lasted at AH until early 2018 for a while covering for the 190’s off the road single decks and for refurb floats for the 237/E2’s 10/60 reg batches
I use this route nearly daily. If you don’t have a bus every 2-5 minutes and instead 9+ minutes, I guarantee you it will be full and standing, unless it’s a quiet day
@spottymaxy1628 yeah if there's a longer wait for a bus it's almost always going to be more crowded but the 18 runs so frequently there will probably be another bus coming soon anyways. That being said I'm not local to the 18 and I bet it gets packed and horrible to use at rush hour. I filmed this video on the weekend to avoid all the crowding
The entire 18 is covered by the N18 at night which runs quite frequently. There was a proposal for a new N518 night route to Ruislip but that isn't going ahead now.
@@MostlyBuses1being pedantic it's the vast majority of the day route that has the 18 on it day and night. Only the section east of Great Portland Street isn't covered by the 18 at night.
@busestransporta-z781nice. It's one of my favorites too just because of how frequent it is. imo people who are local to the 18 are kind of spoilt even if it's always crowded on weekdays
@@LTZ1729 The Gemini 2s are allocated to the 220 now after most of the ADEs at RP were sold so they'll be staying on that route until it comes up for tender soon. No one knows what will happen to the Gemini 3s but I hope that First will be able to use them to get the 207.
@@MostlyBuses1 No N271 is going, Express the compications due to 271 withdrawn or come to a standstill would be the worst results in not various forms of falsifying evidence by N263 boundaries. Funnily enough this route 263 will neglect to be completely overstated and likely to cause confusion keeps stacking up N271 even the route is being discontinued after almost 63 years of trolleybus. Forum said Islington/Barnet Bus Changes: 21: Lewisham - Newington Green (restored to Newington Green) 254: Aldgate - Highbury Barn (extended to Highbury Barn via 263’s current way from Tollington Park) 263: Moorgate, Finsbury Square - North Finchley, Tally Ho (converted into 24hr route) 460: Willesden Bus Garage - Barnet Hospital (extended to Barnet Hospital via 263’s current way from North Finchley) N263/N271: Withdrawn but it doesn't help.
I think more trams would be good for London although maybe not on the 18. The Bakerloo line already parallels a lot of the route between Baker Street and Harlesden and a modern tram would likely skip stops on the 18's line of route.
Since route 18 will be transferring to X, What will be happening to RP? Because routes 220 and 224 are the only routes operating from that garage. And because all the routes like routes 223, 228, 258, 266 and H17 were all transferred to Metroline.
RP is going either way, the work there can be reallocated and are already in the process. The 18 to X which was obvious as X is in the middle of the route and then the 220/224 to V makes sense. 224’s closest garage other than RP is Stamford Brook tbh which isn’t far from Alperton
We don't know if RATP have placed an order yet and it could be First who orders the buses when they take over next year. If RATP have ordered them it's likely to be Electroliners as that's what they've got for the 31
I've never taken the 18 in rush hour so I can't imagine how bad it is but it's a very good route to ride on the weekends since it's still extremely frequent. A lot of buses were curtailed on Saturday though
@@MostlyBuses1I suppose routes that parallel rail services for long distances (25,29 & 86) are some other examples get so busy due to locals pouring onto them from the stations or if the line runs into an issue they fill up rapidly.
@AB-ii5piu forgot GOAT route 5 bus 😂😂😂 (Canning town bus station to Romford market). Literally near my house on barking road A124 2-3 comes at a time no matter weekday or weekend.
@@adarsh.m1999 the difference between the 5 & those other routes mentioned is that the 5 doesn’t parallel a tube or rail service (district line doesn’t go towards Romford so that doesn’t count). The 25/86 parallel the Elizabeth line while the 29 largely parallels the Piccadilly line (except around the Kings Cross area). 18 parallels the Bakerloo/Overground for most of its route.
@AB-ii5piI wouldn't really say the 29 parallels the Piccadilly line although I did think of the 263 which sort of follows the Northern line as well. The 94 also parallels a large section of the Central line and it was very busy last time I used it.
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The 18 used to be in X during First days. And now it's going back to First at the same garage
Yep, and everyone was thinking that the rare SN12 that appeared last month would be the last First 18!
@@MostlyBuses1also are the new electric buses meant for the 18 those that now temporarily run on the 23? Apart from that I see OMEs on the 452 pretty often and at least 2 VMHs today
@@ltz1437 I don't think it's been confirmed yet but I doubt RATP would order any OMEs but I hope they do since they're really nice buses. The 452 has a pretty good variety of buses on it. VDWs, WHs, VHs, VMHs and OMEs.
18 was moved out to WJ in 2003 but it’s cool to see it there under First again.
18 became bendy bus move out from X
6:02 You forgot that it also meets with the Bakerloo Line at Baker Street
@Penhouse9476 oh yeah thanks for the correction. I think I did quite well considering this was from memory
Nice! I hope the new Electrics will have a higher capacity than the current hybrids. They can only keep increasing the PVR so much to where its effective.
@@nathanw9770 Thanks. And yeah if RATP have already ordered the buses I think it could be more Electroliners since that's what the 31 is getting and they seem to have more capacity than the BD11s judging by that video of one of their interiors.
The 18’s PVR use to be close to 50 back in the days. RATP I remember when they won the route, they ordered a lot of BF67 VHs from VH45216-251 but they could order only so much that they got some spare 65 and 16 regs to cover the rest of the PVR. The spare VHs were meant to deck the 72 in 2016 but it didn’t happen so they went to the 18’s big win. The 18 did have a fair few PVR cuts which released VH45247-251 to the 423 as well as VH45255-257 which was ridiculous as the 18 should never have had PVR curs
That intro hits close to home… literally.
I am happy the route is getting brand new buses great video
I'm ok with it as long as the Gemini 3s get used to win the 207 or other routes
The G3s will be reallocated. Just wait for the tenders on routes like the 452 etc. I doubt the 207 will go back to first with the VHs, it’ll go electric either way or could go fully MMC operation with the 270/285’s Smarts especially if the 285 goes electric or is lost. First could bid for the 285 with VHs from the 18 too tbh
207 is a very heavy route, requiring just 9 buses less and is very demanding and very busy. Despite it being surrounded by alternative routes based off of it.
@@zfs.59 hmmm good thinking that makes sense bro.
@@MostlyBuses1 hmm ok
Great observations bro!👌
@@AG_Buses Thanks!
Connects 18 stations hence busiest. But my favourite is 5 bus (Romford market to Canning town bus station) which is 4th-5th busiest tfl route.
And it also has two long unique sections as well as being very frequent (sometimes more frequent than the Bakerloo line after Queen's Park)
Westbourne Park X Garage was bidded for 18/N18 apparently not RATP RP it didn't even say it on Tender awards
Yeah I was surprised to hear the news as I thought it was staying at a London United garage. I wasn't expecting it to get electrics either
RP is closing soon as well so it won't be able to run the 18 for much longer
@@MostlyBuses1 RP simply isn't needed and is the reason this company does have its own problems where ex-Tower Transit going to benefit from late 2017 space has been up to 150 capacity, old PK closed in 2017.
@@MostlyBuses1220 will probably move to V to share common fleets with the E3 while the 224 would probably be won by Metroline again.
It was because the time slid back to before First allocated to the 18 once X partially gave way just citaros would have provided new insights into WJ creation of late 2003/4.
@@JAmoahGranite58 the bendies were at WJ right?
@@MostlyBuses1 Yes
I'm very pleased that the 18 will be based at its original home of Westbourne Park but I still wish that it had a supporting route between Kensal Green and Wembley like the original intention for route 23 before it was changed to Hammersmith.
@@drewphillips2359 Agreed. If they rerouted the 23 and made it a Hammersmith to Wembley Central route I think it would do quite well. They could even reduce the 18's frequency on the weekends although nothing too drastic obviously.
The 23 plan is stupid, I don’t support that one bit. It’s always been a central London route and even then I don’t like what’s happened to the 45. The 45 was a well used central London route until it got cut to elephant and now it’s basically becoming a Morden to Camberwell route. I’m happy the 23 is staying at Aldwych, the routing via green park has done better than the 6 ever has tbh
Even if it is not route 23, tfl should consider having another route that can take passengers from central London to the national stadium
@@MostlyBuses1 It's true that TfL have done exactly what would be nice for some clarification follow around Hammersmith chose to disband the 10 and previously unserved roads. I disagree it’s hard to come back to Oxford Street but swapping effectively like many other routeings are based on certain as this because there is a terrible regime 23 would probably cause traffic hotspots, yet do nothing to resolve at Wembley - Lancaster Gate suffer worse due to longer route. Thing about the new routes to comply 48 section for the better good development, I think is actually rather positive initiatives such as lost links with failure from Aldwych since when 13 got cancelled.
i’m an 18 driver and i saw someone with a camera at baker street, was wondering if it could have been you lol
I don't use a camera but I have been on a lot of buses from RP recently
I see this bus route all the time when I’m on my way to college
Nice
Atp TFL are gonna increase 18s PVR until passengers feel satisfied, I have feeling but I hope they do enough to 18!
@HampshireTransport007 They already increased it to 39 in August
I’m glad the 18 is going to X, it’ll be good to see EvoSetis, OMEs and BCEs stray on the route and that’s if the BCEs do stay on the 295. I reckon the 18 will get Electroliners to match with the 31
Agreed. It's good to see it going back to (an ex) First garage. Hopefully it'll get moved soon so that ADHs stray on it (hopefully even a VDW as well). I think RATP might not have placed an order yet so it could be First who orders buses, although I think it'll be Electroliners either way.
@@MostlyBuses1ooh a VDW straying onto the route is the closest thing you can get to one of the BF60’s straying onto the route. It’s a shame they were withdrawn after only 7 years.
Yeah a VDW would be the closest thing to the Metroline West B9TL days on the 18 when it had those BF60 VWs. The thing is, they only lasted 7 years as they were leased so once the 18 was lost to RATP and mind you the route did have a higher PVR up to nearly 50 buses, there was just lots of VWs spare and there was nowhere for them to go for Metroline to extend the lease so they had to go either way. I remember one or two BF60 lasted at AH until early 2018 for a while covering for the 190’s off the road single decks and for refurb floats for the 237/E2’s 10/60 reg batches
I use this route nearly daily. If you don’t have a bus every 2-5 minutes and instead 9+ minutes, I guarantee you it will be full and standing, unless it’s a quiet day
@spottymaxy1628 yeah if there's a longer wait for a bus it's almost always going to be more crowded but the 18 runs so frequently there will probably be another bus coming soon anyways. That being said I'm not local to the 18 and I bet it gets packed and horrible to use at rush hour. I filmed this video on the weekend to avoid all the crowding
Imma miss RATP ngl
What?,i thought it was going to keep using Gemini hybrids in Westbourne Park bus garage until 2030
@NathaanRagasaaRooks, it's getting electrics until 2032
@ HOW?
@NathaanRagasaaRooks it was TBC at first but the details are out now
@@MostlyBuses1 ok
@@MostlyBuses1when the contract was done it said itll be staying with G3s tho until 2032?
I don't get it if the 18 bus route is the busiest route in London, then why didn't TFL make it a 24-hour route?
The entire 18 is covered by the N18 at night which runs quite frequently. There was a proposal for a new N518 night route to Ruislip but that isn't going ahead now.
@MostlyBuses1 ok
@@MostlyBuses1being pedantic it's the vast majority of the day route that has the 18 on it day and night. Only the section east of Great Portland Street isn't covered by the 18 at night.
@@markcf83 oh yeah. I don't know much about night routes tbh
18 is my favorite route ever
@busestransporta-z781nice. It's one of my favorites too just because of how frequent it is. imo people who are local to the 18 are kind of spoilt even if it's always crowded on weekdays
@MostlyBuses1 oh ok
So will the 18 go back to first??
@eileenmcloughlin3406 when the deal gets approved and a date is confirmed yes
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I hope 18 get decent buses like BZL or BD11 for capacity busy rammed with passengers
@@Abdul.M. agreed. BZLs would be really nice
What will happen to the G2B5lh and G3B5lh
@@LTZ1729 The Gemini 2s are allocated to the 220 now after most of the ADEs at RP were sold so they'll be staying on that route until it comes up for tender soon. No one knows what will happen to the Gemini 3s but I hope that First will be able to use them to get the 207.
Also from 5 April 2025 Route N271 will be renumbered to N263
@@AG_Buses interesting. Shame the 271 number is going but it makes sense
noooo
Wait what? Please tell me you're joking!
@HampshireTransport007 I ain't bro read on fandom this is true!
@@MostlyBuses1 No N271 is going, Express the compications due to 271 withdrawn or come to a standstill would be the worst results in not various forms of falsifying evidence by N263 boundaries. Funnily enough this route 263 will neglect to be completely overstated and likely to cause confusion keeps stacking up N271 even the route is being discontinued after almost 63 years of trolleybus.
Forum said Islington/Barnet Bus Changes:
21: Lewisham - Newington Green (restored to Newington Green)
254: Aldgate - Highbury Barn (extended to Highbury Barn via 263’s current way from Tollington Park)
263: Moorgate, Finsbury Square - North Finchley, Tally Ho (converted into 24hr route)
460: Willesden Bus Garage - Barnet Hospital (extended to Barnet Hospital via 263’s current way from North Finchley)
N263/N271: Withdrawn but it doesn't help.
What desenation is it changing to?
watch the video. The destination isn't changing
Ok
Perhaps a tramway would help?
I think more trams would be good for London although maybe not on the 18. The Bakerloo line already parallels a lot of the route between Baker Street and Harlesden and a modern tram would likely skip stops on the 18's line of route.
Since route 18 will be transferring to X, What will be happening to RP? Because routes 220 and 224 are the only routes operating from that garage. And because all the routes like routes 223, 228, 258, 266 and H17 were all transferred to Metroline.
@KorayKaragul I'm pretty sure it's closing. The 220 can go to V and so can the 224 if it's not lost to Metroline like the others.
RP will be closing because of HS2 works around Old Oak Common
@KorayKaragul the 258 doesn’t go to Metroline till February so I assume the garage will remain open till February I think
@londonbuses4763 Yh I just got heard
RP is going either way, the work there can be reallocated and are already in the process. The 18 to X which was obvious as X is in the middle of the route and then the 220/224 to V makes sense. 224’s closest garage other than RP is Stamford Brook tbh which isn’t far from Alperton
RATP London will sold to FirstBus in London next year.
RATP London will no longer operating London Buses forever.
R.I.P - RATP London!
@@MuhammedRahman-d4l That's what the last video was about
But at the same time childhood will be back in London first!
@@OmarZamel-w8v Yeah it's quite nice to see them return to routes like the 18
Is there any reason why RATP is leaving London
@HamzaTransport2007 many of their routes aren't profitable and they want to focus on urban rail operations
0:22 driver waves lol
Changed or replaced to what or by what
did you watch the video? Because if you did you would know
What electrics will they likely order on the 18?
We don't know if RATP have placed an order yet and it could be First who orders the buses when they take over next year. If RATP have ordered them it's likely to be Electroliners as that's what they've got for the 31
@@MostlyBuses1 wait 31 is going to ratp?
@mywaterneedstowalkme yes
@@MostlyBuses1 that explains the random E400evs that’s appearing on the route rather than the allocated evosetis
The BDEs are only on the 31 as a few of its VMHs went to W for the 266. The 31 is going to RATP and is getting Electroliners.
Routes 330 and 474 is passing to Go-Ahead London on 3rd May 2025.
@athavanainkaran2499 I know. And you didn't mention the tenders for the 30, 67, 95, 231, 304, 397, 474, 491, D6, R9 and W16.
@ oh yes. They also announced it today.
Stagecoach managed worst with 474 manor park to Canning town Hermit road.
473 should be taken by Stagecoach because Go ahead is worst in 473.
@@adarsh.m1999I hope GAL do better. They did use to run the 474 so I have high hopes.
@@MostlyBuses1fingers cross 473 should be given to stagecoach 474 to arriva or go ahead no to stagecoach
DANGGGGGG 39 DAS PEAKKKKKK
what 18 going to be?
@@jasonbusred3297 electric at X
@@MostlyBuses1 ok
I like and hate this route as it's really good off peak times and unbearable in peak times
I hope this route gets Electroliners.
I've never taken the 18 in rush hour so I can't imagine how bad it is but it's a very good route to ride on the weekends since it's still extremely frequent. A lot of buses were curtailed on Saturday though
@@MostlyBuses1I suppose routes that parallel rail services for long distances (25,29 & 86) are some other examples get so busy due to locals pouring onto them from the stations or if the line runs into an issue they fill up rapidly.
@AB-ii5piu forgot GOAT route 5 bus 😂😂😂 (Canning town bus station to Romford market). Literally near my house on barking road A124 2-3 comes at a time no matter weekday or weekend.
@@adarsh.m1999 the difference between the 5 & those other routes mentioned is that the 5 doesn’t parallel a tube or rail service (district line doesn’t go towards Romford so that doesn’t count). The 25/86 parallel the Elizabeth line while the 29 largely parallels the Piccadilly line (except around the Kings Cross area). 18 parallels the Bakerloo/Overground for most of its route.
@AB-ii5piI wouldn't really say the 29 parallels the Piccadilly line although I did think of the 263 which sort of follows the Northern line as well. The 94 also parallels a large section of the Central line and it was very busy last time I used it.
What are they gonna do with the 18 ain’t that route retained
It's moving to London Transit and it's getting electrics
@@MostlyBuses1 oh so it’s not keeping the Gemini 3s shame
@shacarioking5149yeah it is but I'm hoping First/RATP will bid for the 207 with the G3s
207 is a great route ngl, but they should probably extend it back to Uxbridge
@eileenmcloughlin3406 that would make it too long and the SL8 already goes from White City to Uxbridge. They should just extend the 427 back to Acton.
18 to Sudbury
Or Euston
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