@@uncletsonestopshop7143 the you tube channel is Truck King . the Canadian now owns the truck and has been doing a video here and there with the truck.
You guys act like it’s an ancient truck lol. I drive an 85 3/4 ton 4x4 every day and tow 10,000 lbs on occasion with it too. People act like these trucks are so old. They aren’t.
Picking up a k20 350/th400 4.10 (i think) gears. Plow truck. With a carburetor I'm not expecting it to keep up with 65 to 75mph highway speed empty let alone hauling my landscaping trailer or the plow plus 1k# of salt. I expect it will be reliable and be rebuildable when it does need service
One of the better trucks they've tested. Love the old Chevy square bodies and older Ford's and Dodges. You forgot to bring Roman's bottle along. He's crying worse than a baby.
they are decent trucks. they are simple. you can buy it without a huge auto loan. they look better. you can make it what you want. the 305 is a lame duck but the possibilities with that old truck are endless. LS swap, 350 swap, 5.9 cummings swap..... lots of potential
just needed a better brake controller. it's a great truck! we are all spoiled by today's engines until you have to fix them. I would take this truck over a new truck all day every day. a few aftermarket engine parts and proper axle gear ratios would make this a good tow vehicle. A 350 or bigger would make it a great tow vehicle.
haha they exaggerated the hell out of this test, I grew up using 70's Chevys and Fords on our ranch and its never that "scary". Maybe y'all got a little to comfortable with all these fancy new trucks !
Exactly....rather they are way too used to vehicles full of electronic safety nannies to get them to Walmart. I'd rather tow with my 30 year old F250 460 than the new shit they are building now.
I remember driving those trucks, pulling over loaded trailers full of live stock, and the pucker factor was very high, but everyone tried acting cool while quietly scanning the roads, mirrors, instrument panel and clutching a cup of coffee with white knuckles. Whoohoo good times!
Ya no shit. They are playing it up a little much. I have towed way more weight than that with a 85 k5 and few other square bodies I have. I have been over 20k pounds combined several times. 1 ton axles on the k5 help a lot for better braking.
My father had an 84 C30 with the 6.2 diesel and Muncie 4 speed. It would move what ever you hooked it to. In 2005, when he parked it for the last time, the drive shaft had swirl marks, sort of like a drill bit.
@blackandgold51 If you do the 6.2 conversion, be mindful of the starter mount. I don't know the specifics of how/why, but I do know it was a common problem on them and one of the main reasons dad parked it.
@@pcwizzy460 I love your fanboyism but that is beyond a lie unless you had a 300 straight 6 or 460 V8. Those were the only motors Ford built in the 80's that were reliable.
it's pointless to tow with the 305, it has the same power as the 4.3 in the same year. if you had a 350 or a 400 in it it would be a way different outcome.
For the sake of comparison. Stock for Stock. A stock 1985 350 swapped into this truck wouldn't make much of a difference at all. Even a 400 wouldn't be a whole lot faster. The 1980's were really just a terrible time for cars in America overall. The technology just wasn't there (like it is today) to produce cleaner burning powerful engines...Back then you either had Power or Clean Burning. The U.S Government mandated clean burning.
These guys are so dramatic the truck was fine. The 80's chevys were beasts and if you want a good motor, throw a 383 stroker in it and lets watch "mr truck" do all the work.
@@ryanmfussner one of the easiest major passes in Colorado only flatlanders like these goofs from Denver area pretend like it's a real mountain road. *Toughest grade in the country" my ass not even in Colorado, or on an interstate(Deadman's Eastbound in OR comes to mind) How about Keystone Ski to Loveland summit? This pickup's problem in the video is it's just a k10, meaning it has tall rear end gears made worse by oversize tires and the 305. A C20 350/465 will pull 50mph with a 10,000 pound bumper pull Eastbound, speaking from experience. Gearing is everything.
Find me a 2016 truck in 30 years and then put down a comparison. I bet big green will still be going in 60 years. I'm a blue oval guy but go big green! the good looking years.
I hate to disagree with you Roman, but you have very close to the weakest example of an old truck you can buy. A 2bbl, smog 305 that's gotta turn those huge mickeys and deal with altitude without fuel injection. The fact that it even made it up the gauntlet is amazing. Modern trucks have higher average displacements and many advances, no doubt, but with some very minor tweaking, that old truck will do everything I new truck will do (aside from comfort) at a much lower price. As others have mentioned, even a stock 350 in that truck with a 4bbl changes the game SIGNIFICANTLY. Add in a modern aftermarket brake controller, and a 4 wheel disc upgrade kit from the aftermarket and it's game over. The fact is, fuel economy isn't that much better on new trucks either. If you look at average miles driven and then look at the total cost to operate and fuel the truck, new trucks don't even touch older trucks in total cost to run. My 01 Ram with a 360 and 4.10 gears (factory off road package) is renouned for being one of the thirstiest trucks around and the difference in fuel cost between driving it and driving a new ecoboost, 5.3 or hemi for the driving I do is extremely small. The truck cost however, is far from small. About a 45,000 difference between my ram and an equally equipped new one. New trucks aren't that great...
I agree. I'm not sure if they mentioned the gearing in this truck either, but the majority of half tons came with 3.08 gears, which are already less than ideal trying to turn a big a set of 35s like that. A stock height/tire K20 with a 350 and a 4.10 gear would have handled it infinitely better. That said, I still enjoy these videos. I've got a similar truck in the garage so i enjoy seeing what its capable of.
Jon Ruger go mod an old diesel and get similar results. not saying your Duramax isn't great, just making the point that new trucks aren't that improved really
Take into account that the speed limits back in those days was actually 55mph, and that truck wouldn't have had ridiculously oversized tires and wouldn't have had a lift on it.
That is a hydraulic/electric Kelsey-Hayes brake controller. Since they are activated by the hydraulic pressure in the brake lines, they function better than the current aftermarket inertia-regulated controllers, way better than the time-delay units, and about as well as the newer integrated brake systems. The harder you press your truck brakes, proportionally more power will go to your trailer brakes (similar to the integrated systems). It doesn't matter if you are using a lower gear on steep grades, driving on icy streets, or backing down a boat ramp. Due to liability concerns of tapping into the hydraulic brake lines and the possibility of messing with newer ABS systems, it is almost impossible to find that style controller anymore. The controller in this video is adjusted by turning the black "K H" knob. Counter-clockwise reduces internal spring pressure in the controller and would require less brake pedal pressure to send more power to the trailer brakes. Clockwise rotation would send less power to the trailer per brake pedal pressure. When no trailer brakes are hooked up, the red light will come on with full intensity as soon as the truck's brakes are applied. When trailer brakes are hooked-up and functioning properly, the light starts dim and then gets brighter as more power is applied to the brakes.
I have an old k+H brake controller in my 86 454 suburban. the think works really well and is a lot more predictable than the inertia controller in my newer trucks. i've never had a problem with it.
KX250F SS hell no. A 6.2 or a 6.5 are both junk. If they are going to swap in a diesel then it should be a 12v cummins. That is the only diesel from that era that would even remotely be worth swapping in.
Can only imagine how many blown head gaskets, and broken cranks the gauntlet has caused in 6.2 and 6.5s over the years. Sidewinder turbo on a frail 30 year old diesel would make it come apart like a rotten wiener!
Back in the day my dad had a 1985 Ford with the 6.9 diesel pulling a big 5th wheel. Gross combo'd around 18,000. Took the San Bernardino grade at 20mph, shooting black smoke out from the 3-inch exhaust about 8 to 10 feet from from the side of the truck. Pulled all the way to the top without stopping. It was just - SLOW. This video brought back a lot of memories.
Should title it as a trailer wiring troubleshoot guide! Don't worry about 16.5 minutes, I called an hour(as soon as I heard about the 305). In the 80s, people towing got the C20 with a 454!
Something to be considered, based on some of the closing comments in the video. The truck, while it doesn't perform as well as a modern truck, it's also not an optioned out contender like they usually review It was probably right around 12k brand new, so after over 30 years, they paid almost 50% of its original value. New trucks can lose that before you're done paying for your 60 month loan on a new truck. Also, they're easier to work on, repair, maintain. Cheaper, too.
SassyEmotions The big cost of trucks of this age is fuel. Thinks have got muck muck more efficient in the past 30 years. Now if you are looking for a weekend toy truck that does a lot less than 5k per year fuel cost is not that much of an issue, but for a 20k plus daily driver it's a huge issue with an 80's truck.
After owning a Chevy like that bought new back in the day. The only engine that was ever any good, was the good old 350, 4 barrel dual exhaust, with a TuboHydramatic 400, those engines had 4 bolt mains and enough hp to make due. The other weak point is the front axels, when off roading, if you were to ever catch air going over any big bumps, you risked breaking the axel, right near the pumpkin! What was available for this at the time, was a front end brace, that bolted to each end, meeting at the pumpkin to help strengthen the axel from breaking.
at 14:10 you're complaining about lane discipline and passing on the right? What about your lane discipline being in the left when another car is behind you?
+Robert Cary (Carizle) I have to agree.... complaining about people not knowing how to drive while merging into the interstate at 25mph. I usually love these videos, but that was extremely disappointing.
I ran the Ike back in 97 or 98 in a 92 GMC 2500 with a 6.5 turbo. We were pulling a 32' steel box gooseneck and we really struggled getting up. We were in route from Texas to Washington and it is the one and only time I've done mountain driving, scared the tar out of me.
I would trust a 53. Why? It had a 216 -261inline 6, 3-4 speed manual transmission, 4:11-4:57 rear end. They didn't have a whole lot of speed but they were definetly strong.
Pretty damn good considering the truck wasn't even designed for a run like that. It had grocery-getter rear end gearing, the smallest V8 you could get for it, and the most restrictive carburetor you could get.
My dad had a 1986 2500 GMC, and it was like a nightmare pulling a 7,000 lb trailer. The 4 speed manual needed another gear, and the steering felt none existent at high speeds.
Think you should rename it "The Hulk" after that. It was a beast going up that tough climb strapped with 6k lbs behind it. Great job Mr. Truck on driving it safely, getting lights, brakes working and very cool truck - especially as a project.
Whether this truck wins or loses in this video imo the square body Chevy has always been there for the win todays trucks are chevrolet always have been and always will be
It would be awesome if you guys could do an old 5.9 Cummins swap that would be the best. It could beat any new truck. And they could do air bags That would be awesome.
This brought so many memories of my Dad's '86 Blazer with the 305 and a 308:1 rear diff... 6% grade and 45MPH max when it was empty. My 3 year old did say he wants Big Green though.
TheRealChev tried that in my 83 6.2 burb, had to put it in 4 low with hubs unlock to make it over the top towing my 4900lbs sea ray boat. 6.2 stood for 6hp 2ft tq
i say build the 305...i built a 305 for an s10 i had in the 1990's...very mild build with 350 heads and an rv cam and it came out to about 250 hp and maybe 300 ft lbs im guessing but with the 410 gears that little truck really moved (i killed its 2.8 on the ike gauntlet when i was 19...the one and only time ive been there)
305s were garbage new and they're especially garbage now. You got a 350 or 454 if you were doing any real work with the truck. They'll probably get an LS.
phil tripe i would hope a mildly massaged 305 would kill a bone stock 2.8. Those junk 2-8's only made maybe 90 horse out of the box. Hell, when I was 16 I was driving a pos 85 Omni with a 2.2 that would eat 2.8 s10's.
@ Timothy Isenhart. I completely agree. My Grandfather (a farmer/rancher) ordered a 1953 GMC in late 1952 with a 302 flathead 6 cylinder, long bed, here in Phoenix and Prescott, Az. Obviously, it came with a manual 4 speed transmission and a special 4.73 rear end. It was (and still is) a beast at towing cotton and livestock trailers. Also, it was a equivalent to a 1/2 ton chassis but he also ordered it with 1 and half ton suspension or a 4500 series leaf spring suspension. The truck is still in service with 43,000 original miles. This truck is currently weighted down with a 110 gallon fuel tank, which combined with its granny gear (1st gear) and it's torque has no problem nor issues, with pulling a 16,000 pound cotton trailer. Please keep in mind, because it's a 1 owner vehicle, we use it once in while for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. I will say that with today's technology, we use the 2016,18 model year Dodge 1 ton and F 350 more as a matter of daily mult-use trucks. Happy Holidays Timothy !
Ya'all make things look worse than they are. lol Never went past 45 the whole way down and ya'all act like yer gonna die. You funny. If you'd do some tuning up on that 305 v8 it'd pull better, but the 305 chevy was a junk motor to begin with. My GMC 305 V6 would out pull that pile anyday. Mine pulled 10,000 pounds as fast as your's pulled 6,000. lol Not to mention the 305 was not the only option for a chevy truck. You could have gotten a 350 for it.
Brings back good memories of my 1970 Ford F-100 with a 2 bbl 302, headers dual exhaust and turbo muffler. 3 speed on the tree moved it to the floor with a Hurst shifter. Is also had a sleeper camper on the back. I loved that truck. I wish I still had it. I also had a tach like what is one Big Green
The wire where the brake lights were barely lit up is the wire for the brake controller. The current wire that y'all used to make the brakes work on the trailer is the brake light wire at a full 12 volts that's why the trailer brakes locked up. Need to swap those. The controller varies voltage depending on how much brake assist you want. More brakes higher voltage.🖒
I was very disappointed they didn't run it again. I believe they also installed a more appropriate differential ratio for the oversized tires later on.
MrSnowrocks I agree. I don't like ppl that judge ppl who have toys that cost more than their vehicle having beaters are nice have my nice truck that I paid 7500 for but other than that is been 1000 or less no payments no worries and if something breaks I can easily fix it
I for one am glad that those days of towing are over. All the gear you used to have to carry with you on the interstate tools, CB, and extra parts and hoping you can make it up and down the hills staring at your temperature gage.
Born and raised in Durango Colorado , the camera really does this mountain pass no justice . Grew up driving up and down wolf creek pass, it gets pretty nerve wracking and hairy sometimes especially with a trailer and I drive a new Silverado Z71
Already lasted longer than any of the new trucks you test will, eco boost in 32 years never happen. Gm with active fuel management will of had 5 cams replaced 😀, don't even start on the 8-10 speed auto trans cost to make it that long! AND 5 grand in it that old truck it will fly on up the ike!
Tomas Mica That's fine, if you enjoy watching these guys go right ahead. I can see how they might have some entertainment value. But I'm not going to try and get any real information from them. They seemed to be in over their heads just doing some simple trailer wiring. A job that I feel any guy called Mr Truck should be able to handle with ease. Just my opinion.
In 1985 if you owned that truck in a K20 with a 350 you were the man! That's why they started building crew cabs. Our chests were puffed out way to far for a standard cab!
I've driven that stretch of road countless times. I live in Colorado around south of Denver and we go camping ALL the time. We go through that mountain at least 5 times a year.
I remember all too well how it was to tow anything with trucks from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Carbureted, smogged out 80s trucks had to be some of the worst for towing power - even when they were new. That truck appears to have the SM465 transmission, which is a tough transmission in its own right - but the gear ratios leave a lot to be desired for towing (even with low axle gear ratios). Back in the day, I had a 1984 K20 with a 6.2L and SM465 transmission/ 3.73 gears as a work truck. It would tow just about anything, but never anywhere fast. Hills were difficult mostly because there wasn't a good ratio between 1st and 2nd. Either the engine was screaming, or lugging. And that truck towed things way better than the other shop truck - a 1985 K10 with a 350/700R4 automatic/3.42. Amazing how far trucks have gone in power/comfort/capability.
Liemciemdk89 the zz383 gm crate motor w/4-barrel carb much better..had 84 did a 5.3swap which was alot better but when I swapped from 5.3 back to a carbureted motor the zz383 was a night/day diff..I fly up the hills towing 5500 @ 65mph-75mph with ease
Liemciemdk89 be better off finding a wrecked 6.2. Use all of the electronics, then a proper map could be installed (factory GM fuel map is what cripples the 6.2's.) hell, even find a wrecked 6.0.
I know this is an old video but I sure do love the look of those old Chevy trucks. This video demonstrates just how underpowered the old engines were compared to today.
Zachary Lagler Didn't you know that the U.S have the biggest and baddest of everything in the world? lol, they even have the biggest and baddest idiot for a President in the world lmao
well Arizona has an Interstate highway that wouldn't be allowed to be designated if the engineers hadn't liked, its got the highest grades in the interstate system, however US 30 in PA has a 30% grade. I have always wanted to drive up the hill by Gap.
This bought back memories of driving my grandfather's '77 GMC Sierra 3/4 with the small block 350 and the muncie 3 speed (4 if you count the granny gear) on the floor. I agree with you that today's trucks are more comfortable and have twice the power, but the mileage is still comparable to what I was able to get out of my 77. I have to say the truck was alot more easier to work on and it could take a hit like nothing. (My grandfather was broadsided on the left side front quarter panel, by a new truck. He was able to drive home, the new truck had to be towed). So much fun to drive, and I didn't mind using to it to haul stuff and use it for 'work'. New trucks or so pricey I'd be afraid to by one and use it to help move anyone or anything lest I get a 'scratch' or 'ding'
Another great video, gentlemen. My wife and I go skiing at Keystone frequently, so we've driven up and down that hill many times. We usually drive her 2011 Wrangler...the engine really has to work to make it up that hill while maintaining the speed limit. Can't hardly imagine pulling a heavy trailer up it, regardless of what I'm driving.
simplicity of big green is why I like it better than newer trucks. I wish there can be reviews done by people actually using trucks everyday for work that auto makers listen to. I save money by maintaining and repairing my own truck. too much gadgets on modern trucks jack the price way out of small business reach. 50 to 80 grand for a pick up is way too much. I love the capability of modern trucks but all the gadgets and plush stuff is getting away with what an American truck is. A simple and reliable work truck. I love the uphill challenges you all do though. good work.
I know that the 85 is obviously a generation older than my 93 k1500, but no word of a lie, that 1993 extended cab 4x4 with the 5.7 and factory 3.73's was a good truck. Handled 7k lbs through the mountains no problem, dead nuts reliable, and had the basic comforts (ac, power windows, power locks, command start). Did I mention it rode better than modern trucks do? Had some light load air bags in the back, best towing truck I've ever had (and didn't ever use a weight distributing hitch).
A lot of overkill drama in this one guys. That engine can rev over 5000 rpm on its worse day and if you did that, you would have been able to grab the next gear without slowing down. The tires destroyed any advantage the 4:10 axle gave you but this was a great video. I think a 502 will change your whole out look on that truck and it would be extremely easy to install.
Not really, modern trucks they are expensive, have a weak body, have tons of useless features, won't last as long, overall are not as strong. If you want a glorified car get a brand new truck. If you want something that is tough, no frills, affordable, will last, manual gearbox, Get an old truck fix it up with some new gear and buy a car with all your savings
You may have done so but it wasn't fully shown, but using just the positive from another vehicle won't do anything without also hooking up the ground because it's a different voltage potential.
Good news is Mr. Truck stayed positive throughout the wiring fiasco. That's a good trait to have when stuck in a snow bank with crude tools and barely a prayer to fix an electrical problem.
Did you go with the hose clamped to the column tach install that was so popular with the square bodies? Yes you did! Era specific, and nostalgic. I installed one when I was in my teens, not 5 hours. You must have ran into some brittle wires.
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Long live the square body pickups
there is no other.
Who owns Big Green now? I seen it on the Canadian dude channel.
@@uncletsonestopshop7143 the you tube channel is Truck King . the Canadian now owns the truck and has been doing a video here and there with the truck.
Kens a freakin stud!!! Never complained once!! The other guy whines the whole time
I know this is a 2 year old video, but the sound keeps cutting out.
Ok phew my phone isnt broken
Stephen The Fish it’s for copyright i bet
@@MCatwar happened too often for that to be the reason...
JediTim i think it’s a certain music riff(s) that we’re used and they could either change the song or mute the audio
I thought my ipad was broken
You guys act like it’s an ancient truck lol. I drive an 85 3/4 ton 4x4 every day and tow 10,000 lbs on occasion with it too. People act like these trucks are so old. They aren’t.
Pontiac65Cat they are old
Picking up a k20 350/th400 4.10 (i think) gears. Plow truck. With a carburetor I'm not expecting it to keep up with 65 to 75mph highway speed empty let alone hauling my landscaping trailer or the plow plus 1k# of salt.
I expect it will be reliable and be rebuildable when it does need service
You're so cool.
Yeah, actually a 1985 truck is very old and out dated. A 2000 is fairly old. Compare that to the tech on a new truck... yeah pretty old
@@workingcountry1776 my 85 k20 usually sits around 75 on the interstate. No prow bracket
One of the better trucks they've tested. Love the old Chevy square bodies and older Ford's and Dodges. You forgot to bring Roman's bottle along. He's crying worse than a baby.
bash on the 80s trucks if you want . I'd buy it before I bought a new one .
they are decent trucks. they are simple. you can buy it without a huge auto loan. they look better. you can make it what you want. the 305 is a lame duck but the possibilities with that old truck are endless. LS swap, 350 swap, 5.9 cummings swap..... lots of potential
and then after you buy it , you can fix it the way you want and still be miles ahead money wise
James Story yep I bought an 84 k20 8 days ago sits on 33s with 4in lift 350 motor and TH350 transmission 😀
James Story in a heartbeat
Love the old chevys.
Mr. Truck was loving Roman's nervousness....."Roman...are you a religious man?" ......classic!
just needed a better brake controller. it's a great truck! we are all spoiled by today's engines until you have to fix them. I would take this truck over a new truck all day every day. a few aftermarket engine parts and proper axle gear ratios would make this a good tow vehicle. A 350 or bigger would make it a great tow vehicle.
haha they exaggerated the hell out of this test, I grew up using 70's Chevys and Fords on our ranch and its never that "scary". Maybe y'all got a little to comfortable with all these fancy new trucks !
Edgardo Mireles exactly. I have personally towed with the same truck as them for years. Although I always had either a 350 or 400
Exactly....rather they are way too used to vehicles full of electronic safety nannies to get them to Walmart. I'd rather tow with my 30 year old F250 460 than the new shit they are building now.
Id prefer safe of nostalgia.
I remember driving those trucks, pulling over loaded trailers full of live stock, and the pucker factor was very high, but everyone tried acting cool while quietly scanning the roads, mirrors, instrument panel and clutching a cup of coffee with white knuckles. Whoohoo good times!
Ya no shit. They are playing it up a little much. I have towed way more weight than that with a 85 k5 and few other square bodies I have. I have been over 20k pounds combined several times. 1 ton axles on the k5 help a lot for better braking.
Even in 1985 nobody towed with a half ton sporting a 305. Everyone used the 350 or 454.
Actually, Fords would be used, chevies just break down.
My father had an 84 C30 with the 6.2 diesel and Muncie 4 speed. It would move what ever you hooked it to. In 2005, when he parked it for the last time, the drive shaft had swirl marks, sort of like a drill bit.
@blackandgold51 If you do the 6.2 conversion, be mindful of the starter mount. I don't know the specifics of how/why, but I do know it was a common problem on them and one of the main reasons dad parked it.
@@pcwizzy460 I love your fanboyism but that is beyond a lie unless you had a 300 straight 6 or 460 V8. Those were the only motors Ford built in the 80's that were reliable.
@@tskraj3190 the old school 5.0 and thr 5.8 was good too
Give that motor a break, the tires alone are sapping 10% of the power just to turn them.
TFL Truck, sponsored by someone who actually knows what he's doing. Don't worry Kent's got it.
Mike Bunero exactly. the other dude probably has never even seen the oil stick.
Brandon lol, who you talking about roman?
I think Kent is about to choke Roman.
it's pointless to tow with the 305, it has the same power as the 4.3 in the same year. if you had a 350 or a 400 in it it would be a way different outcome.
Ya the massive 200 hp in the 350 would just rip up that hill.
Trevor Roth depends if it's built up or not.
sokodad Clearly
For the sake of comparison. Stock for Stock. A stock 1985 350 swapped into this truck wouldn't make much of a difference at all. Even a 400 wouldn't be a whole lot faster. The 1980's were really just a terrible time for cars in America overall. The technology just wasn't there (like it is today) to produce cleaner burning powerful engines...Back then you either had Power or Clean Burning. The U.S Government mandated clean burning.
Trevor Roth so you're saying it wouldn't do any better than the 305.... (sarcasm). my point exactly. thank you for clearing that up
These guys are so dramatic the truck was fine. The 80's chevys were beasts and if you want a good motor, throw a 383 stroker in it and lets watch "mr truck" do all the work.
sounds like you've never driven this section of road....super sketch.....
@@ryanmfussner one of the easiest major passes in Colorado only flatlanders like these goofs from Denver area pretend like it's a real mountain road. *Toughest grade in the country" my ass not even in Colorado, or on an interstate(Deadman's Eastbound in OR comes to mind)
How about Keystone Ski to Loveland summit?
This pickup's problem in the video is it's just a k10, meaning it has tall rear end gears made worse by oversize tires and the 305. A C20 350/465 will pull 50mph with a 10,000 pound bumper pull Eastbound, speaking from experience. Gearing is everything.
Find me a 2016 truck in 30 years and then put down a comparison. I bet big green will still be going in 60 years. I'm a blue oval guy but go big green! the good looking years.
uh no. in 30 years there won't be gas for gasoline engines anymore. just sayin you have no clue what you are talking about
@@peterf.229 There will always be a way.
@Roscoe Dogg I bought Enron low. Still holding.
I hate to disagree with you Roman, but you have very close to the weakest example of an old truck you can buy. A 2bbl, smog 305 that's gotta turn those huge mickeys and deal with altitude without fuel injection. The fact that it even made it up the gauntlet is amazing. Modern trucks have higher average displacements and many advances, no doubt, but with some very minor tweaking, that old truck will do everything I new truck will do (aside from comfort) at a much lower price. As others have mentioned, even a stock 350 in that truck with a 4bbl changes the game SIGNIFICANTLY. Add in a modern aftermarket brake controller, and a 4 wheel disc upgrade kit from the aftermarket and it's game over.
The fact is, fuel economy isn't that much better on new trucks either. If you look at average miles driven and then look at the total cost to operate and fuel the truck, new trucks don't even touch older trucks in total cost to run. My 01 Ram with a 360 and 4.10 gears (factory off road package) is renouned for being one of the thirstiest trucks around and the difference in fuel cost between driving it and driving a new ecoboost, 5.3 or hemi for the driving I do is extremely small. The truck cost however, is far from small. About a 45,000 difference between my ram and an equally equipped new one.
New trucks aren't that great...
I agree. I'm not sure if they mentioned the gearing in this truck either, but the majority of half tons came with 3.08 gears, which are already less than ideal trying to turn a big a set of 35s like that. A stock height/tire K20 with a 350 and a 4.10 gear would have handled it infinitely better. That said, I still enjoy these videos. I've got a similar truck in the garage so i enjoy seeing what its capable of.
Mitchell Smith my duramax gets 17 mpg while pulling 12k and 25 mpg empty new trucks rock
Jon Ruger go mod an old diesel and get similar results. not saying your Duramax isn't great, just making the point that new trucks aren't that improved really
I have two old Cummins and no sadly the results are not as good
Close but not as good. Mechanical injection can't be fine tuned the same way a cp3 and common rail injection can
Turn Signals? This definitely isn't roadkill...
A 305/307 with a two barrel is asking a lot of a 32 year old truck! It did pretty well considering all that:)
I agree
well it could be worser
Take into account that the speed limits back in those days was actually 55mph, and that truck wouldn't have had ridiculously oversized tires and wouldn't have had a lift on it.
That is a hydraulic/electric Kelsey-Hayes brake controller. Since they are activated by the hydraulic pressure in the brake lines, they function better than the current aftermarket inertia-regulated controllers, way better than the time-delay units, and about as well as the newer integrated brake systems. The harder you press your truck brakes, proportionally more power will go to your trailer brakes (similar to the integrated systems). It doesn't matter if you are using a lower gear on steep grades, driving on icy streets, or backing down a boat ramp. Due to liability concerns of tapping into the hydraulic brake lines and the possibility of messing with newer ABS systems, it is almost impossible to find that style controller anymore.
The controller in this video is adjusted by turning the black "K H" knob. Counter-clockwise reduces internal spring pressure in the controller and would require less brake pedal pressure to send more power to the trailer brakes. Clockwise rotation would send less power to the trailer per brake pedal pressure. When no trailer brakes are hooked up, the red light will come on with full intensity as soon as the truck's brakes are applied. When trailer brakes are hooked-up and functioning properly, the light starts dim and then gets brighter as more power is applied to the brakes.
+Kris Minnear thanks for the great info. Very much appreciated!
I still have one in my 92 Dodge, brakes seamlessly from gentle to full braking.
I have an old k+H brake controller in my 86 454 suburban. the think works really well and is a lot more predictable than the inertia controller in my newer trucks. i've never had a problem with it.
salvage it I had the same controller on my 82 Chevy P 30 class A. Worked perfectly for 30 years. Not sure what these guys are doing.
now a 350 or 454 would do better ,6.2 Detroit diesel would be interesting as well
i do like big green though
KX250F SS yes a 6.2/6.5 Detroit Diesel, from the past with a Banks Sidewinder setup would be really cool!
Kevin Voyer I'm a big fan of the 6.5L, i used to have one. they do overheat quite a bit though...
KX250F SS 6.2 diesel in altitude with no turbo is junk.
KX250F SS hell no. A 6.2 or a 6.5 are both junk. If they are going to swap in a diesel then it should be a 12v cummins. That is the only diesel from that era that would even remotely be worth swapping in.
Can only imagine how many blown head gaskets, and broken cranks the gauntlet has caused in 6.2 and 6.5s over the years. Sidewinder turbo on a frail 30 year old diesel would make it come apart like a rotten wiener!
Back in the day my dad had a 1985 Ford with the 6.9 diesel pulling a big 5th wheel. Gross combo'd around 18,000. Took the San Bernardino grade at 20mph, shooting black smoke out from the 3-inch exhaust about 8 to 10 feet from from the side of the truck. Pulled all the way to the top without stopping. It was just - SLOW. This video brought back a lot of memories.
you guys should try a 454 in big Green
I have a 1984 K10 lwb that I'm putting a 454 out of a 2000 K3500. Also swapping the 700R4/NP208 for a SM465/NP205.
I didn't realize until the 15 minute mark that the truck isn't swapped yet. 6k up the gauntlet with a 38yo 305!!!
Should title it as a trailer wiring troubleshoot guide! Don't worry about 16.5 minutes, I called an hour(as soon as I heard about the 305). In the 80s, people towing got the C20 with a 454!
Something to be considered, based on some of the closing comments in the video.
The truck, while it doesn't perform as well as a modern truck, it's also not an optioned out contender like they usually review
It was probably right around 12k brand new, so after over 30 years, they paid almost 50% of its original value. New trucks can lose that before you're done paying for your 60 month loan on a new truck.
Also, they're easier to work on, repair, maintain. Cheaper, too.
SassyEmotions The big cost of trucks of this age is fuel. Thinks have got muck muck more efficient in the past 30 years. Now if you are looking for a weekend toy truck that does a lot less than 5k per year fuel cost is not that much of an issue, but for a 20k plus daily driver it's a huge issue with an 80's truck.
Tim Hirst lmao. in the 80s those trucks averaged 17 - 19 mpg w/o huge load
@@ATH_Berkshire I'd use a new truck as my daily.
You're not taking inflation into consideration, that $12k truck would be over $28k in today's money
Growing up, my father had an 81 C10 and an 84 C30. Seeing this truck and its interior brings back so many memories.
After owning a Chevy like that bought new back in the day. The only engine that was ever any good, was the good old 350, 4 barrel dual exhaust, with a TuboHydramatic 400, those engines had 4 bolt mains and enough hp to make due. The other weak point is the front axels, when off roading, if you were to ever catch air going over any big bumps, you risked breaking the axel, right near the pumpkin! What was available for this at the time, was a front end brace, that bolted to each end, meeting at the pumpkin to help strengthen the axel from breaking.
The 350s of the same era made about 25 hp more..
You never told what gears in the diffs. Higher gears than 3.73( 3.08-3.55) with oversized tires just won’t cut the mustard.
big green is a dam fine lookin truck and hey its a 305 and it still got the job done!
at 14:10 you're complaining about lane discipline and passing on the right? What about your lane discipline being in the left when another car is behind you?
+Robert Cary (Carizle) that's our chase truck. sorry to spoil your trolling day 😄
The Fast Lane Truck my bad it was 13:50 that you guys were complaining lol. Hey other than that I love the videos.
+Robert Cary (Carizle) I have to agree.... complaining about people not knowing how to drive while merging into the interstate at 25mph. I usually love these videos, but that was extremely disappointing.
okay now put a 502 motor in there and see what it does
You'd need to fill up a few times before the top of the hill. 😂
Love the behind the scenes footage of truck and trailer prep! It genuinely looks like you guys have a lot of fun.
You Guys act like that things so old😂 I’m 17 and my daily is an 85 k20 4 speed
This is entertaining to watch because i had a 80 c10 that iv towed with through the mountains for years and never once did it feel scary😂.
I've seen crazier things....relax guys
That’s old Chevy has hell of lot more metal in them. Then the junk today made
can you guys review a 2017 gmc or silverado with the new scoop
+2017 zl1 camaro/2017 camaro fan Yes, we are doing that in a couple of weeks.
The Fast Lane Truck thanks you're the best
The Fast Lane Truck I would like to see that 😊👍
I ran the Ike back in 97 or 98 in a 92 GMC 2500 with a 6.5 turbo. We were pulling a 32' steel box gooseneck and we really struggled getting up. We were in route from Texas to Washington and it is the one and only time I've done mountain driving, scared the tar out of me.
Let's pretend it's 1985. How much would you trust a 1953 truck?
mcinkyt as much as an 85
Trevor Scott you dumb piece of shit
Depends how well I know the truck
@Bulgaria Ball same here in Turkey bro. I saw a lada niva pulling a 10 meter boat 😁
I would trust a 53. Why? It had a 216 -261inline 6, 3-4 speed manual transmission, 4:11-4:57 rear end. They didn't have a whole lot of speed but they were definetly strong.
Pretty damn good considering the truck wasn't even designed for a run like that. It had grocery-getter rear end gearing, the smallest V8 you could get for it, and the most restrictive carburetor you could get.
My dad had a 1986 2500 GMC, and it was like a nightmare pulling a 7,000 lb trailer. The 4 speed manual needed another gear, and the steering felt none existent at high speeds.
ferrum draconem too much tongue weight.
fuzzy wuzzy the get out of here kid you don't belong here
Bryce Swiger no, you don't.
Trouble is, the new trucks will never be able to do this when they are 30 plus years old! Their computers will all be long blown up...
No report on the brake temperatures @ the bottom?
Think you should rename it "The Hulk" after that. It was a beast going up that tough climb strapped with 6k lbs behind it. Great job Mr. Truck on driving it safely, getting lights, brakes working and very cool truck - especially as a project.
favorite generation of Ole Chevrolet.
Whether this truck wins or loses in this video imo the square body Chevy has always been there for the win todays trucks are chevrolet always have been and always will be
It would be awesome if you guys could do an old 5.9 Cummins swap that would be the best. It could beat any new truck. And they could do air bags
That would be awesome.
Tmanthekid Duramax.
Tmanthekid Cummins isn't a chevy motor if your going to keep it chevy throw a 454 big block in it
Well technically Cummins ain't a Nissan motor yet titans leave the factory with them
In all fairness cummins isn't a Dodge engine either.
+brendan1994nl actually a Hino. is a Toyota. Its their medium duty truck line
This brought so many memories of my Dad's '86 Blazer with the 305 and a 308:1 rear diff... 6% grade and 45MPH max when it was empty. My 3 year old did say he wants Big Green though.
Could you try a 85 c20/k20 with the 6.2L Detroit diesel.
Chevyman at altitude that 6.2 can't breathe unless you put a turbo on it. 454 was always preferred for towing in 85
pat brooks oh I never have problems with my c20 and it has the 6.2 in it
TheRealChev tried that in my 83 6.2 burb, had to put it in 4 low with hubs unlock to make it over the top towing my 4900lbs sea ray boat. 6.2 stood for 6hp 2ft tq
"This is not a fast lane truck", love that line.
i say build the 305...i built a 305 for an s10 i had in the 1990's...very mild build with 350 heads and an rv cam and it came out to about 250 hp and maybe 300 ft lbs im guessing but with the 410 gears that little truck really moved (i killed its 2.8 on the ike gauntlet when i was 19...the one and only time ive been there)
305s were garbage new and they're especially garbage now. You got a 350 or 454 if you were doing any real work with the truck. They'll probably get an LS.
phil tripe i would hope a mildly massaged 305 would kill a bone stock 2.8. Those junk 2-8's only made maybe 90 horse out of the box. Hell, when I was 16 I was driving a pos 85 Omni with a 2.2 that would eat 2.8 s10's.
ROTAXD I'm pretty sure he meant that he blew up his 2.8 on the Ike
Looked like a fun video. All things aside she made it up the grade and nothing broke. Work was done.
I have an 86 k10. Towed 11,000lbs with a 350. Was going about 50 the whole way up hill, no problems really. And it's jacked up 6" with 35's.
@ Timothy Isenhart.
I completely agree. My Grandfather (a farmer/rancher) ordered a 1953 GMC in late 1952 with a 302 flathead 6 cylinder, long bed, here in Phoenix and Prescott, Az. Obviously, it came with a manual 4 speed transmission and a special 4.73 rear end. It was (and still is) a beast at towing cotton and livestock trailers. Also, it was a equivalent to a 1/2 ton chassis but he also ordered it with 1 and half ton suspension or a 4500 series leaf spring suspension. The truck is still in service with 43,000 original miles. This truck is currently weighted down with a 110 gallon fuel tank, which combined with its granny gear (1st gear) and it's torque has no problem nor issues, with pulling a 16,000 pound cotton trailer. Please keep in mind, because it's a 1 owner vehicle, we use it once in while for sentimental and nostalgic reasons.
I will say that with today's technology, we use the 2016,18 model year Dodge 1 ton and F 350 more as a matter of daily mult-use trucks.
Happy Holidays Timothy !
Ya'all make things look worse than they are. lol Never went past 45 the whole way down and ya'all act like yer gonna die. You funny. If you'd do some tuning up on that 305 v8 it'd pull better, but the 305 chevy was a junk motor to begin with. My GMC 305 V6 would out pull that pile anyday. Mine pulled 10,000 pounds as fast as your's pulled 6,000. lol Not to mention the 305 was not the only option for a chevy truck. You could have gotten a 350 for it.
or even better a 454
yee haw stick it in yer grandma! woohoo grandpa too!
I don't think you could get a 350 in the older K10s. My 87 V10 has a 350, I think that was the only year
Alan You could get a 350 in 1967.
Alan nice
Brings back good memories of my 1970 Ford F-100 with a 2 bbl 302, headers dual exhaust and turbo muffler. 3 speed on the tree moved it to the floor with a Hurst shifter. Is also had a sleeper camper on the back. I loved that truck. I wish I still had it. I also had a tach like what is one Big Green
Does the truck have 1 key to unlock it, and 1 key to start it???
PDB123 probably i have a 1990 suburban and it still needs 2
PDB123 Unless it's been rekeyed, all from that era had two keys.
It sure does.
1995 was the first year GM trucks had one key.
My 93 Dakota has two keys too, one to unlock and one to start
The wire where the brake lights were barely lit up is the wire for the brake controller. The current wire that y'all used to make the brakes work on the trailer is the brake light wire at a full 12 volts that's why the trailer brakes locked up. Need to swap those. The controller varies voltage depending on how much brake assist you want. More brakes higher voltage.🖒
350ci and more gear like 4:10's
I would love to see a re-do now that big green is all rebuilt. Same trailer, same weight and the Ike gauntlet.
I was very disappointed they didn't run it again.
I believe they also installed a more appropriate differential ratio for the oversized tires later on.
The trailer is worth more than the truck! I've got buddies that their atvs and trailers worth more than their everyday drivers
terrplmb what's your point
I own a car and a truck, most I paid for either was $2500. Its great to not have to make payments on a vehicle, you can replace it very easily.
MrSnowrocks I agree. I don't like ppl that judge ppl who have toys that cost more than their vehicle having beaters are nice have my nice truck that I paid 7500 for but other than that is been 1000 or less no payments no worries and if something breaks I can easily fix it
and?I paid 17K for my Tacoma and have no payments ..
Don't know how I missed this episode 5 year's ago but glad I caught it tonight.
If you guys get another old school square body like Big Green I suggest getting a 1 ton Big Dooley with a 454
C.L.LocomotiveWorks hell no they need to get a nice s10
I for one am glad that those days of towing are over. All the gear you used to have to carry with you on the interstate tools, CB, and extra parts and hoping you can make it up and down the hills staring at your temperature gage.
Love your show. Never miss an episode. But seriously, who's idea was it to have 9 minutes of electrical diagnosis? Yawn
right like why didnt they do all those tests , IDK in the home garage? haha
Not bad for a 1985 305 gasoline powered pickup truck.
Especially with oversized tires!
I tow a 20ft enclosed trailer everyday and thay truck will do just fine
Born and raised in Durango Colorado , the camera really does this mountain pass no justice . Grew up driving up and down wolf creek pass, it gets pretty nerve wracking and hairy sometimes especially with a trailer and I drive a new Silverado Z71
"People don't know how to drive" says someone who was in the left lane getting passed on the right.
The right lane was ending if you noticed the white car cut in right at the last minute where the lane ended. Dangerous, illegal, and stupid.
The car was in the wrong. They passed in what was basically the break down lane.
87 suburban, pulling 9k but I do have 7.4 engine!! 400 th trans!! Rolls like thunder!! Yank and goes bullet proof! 70mph easy!!
Already lasted longer than any of the new trucks you test will, eco boost in 32 years never happen. Gm with active fuel management will of had 5 cams replaced 😀, don't even start on the 8-10 speed auto trans cost to make it that long! AND 5 grand in it that old truck it will fly on up the ike!
We want to see the new 350 big green engine Ike Gauntlet challenge!!!!!
Why the rush? You're driving an old classic truck, you shouldn't be in a hurry. Life is rushed enough as it is, enjoy the little things.
The old Chevys and the old Fords are tough old trucks
Was I supposed to watch this and not think these guys are complete dimwits? "Truck" guys? Please.
Bucketsamson 306,000 subscribers disagree...
Tomas Mica That's fine, if you enjoy watching these guys go right ahead. I can see how they might have some entertainment value. But I'm not going to try and get any real information from them. They seemed to be in over their heads just doing some simple trailer wiring. A job that I feel any guy called Mr Truck should be able to handle with ease. Just my opinion.
Bucketsamson So how many books about trucks have you published?
Haha None that I'm aware of.
Anything involving Roman goes weird.
In 1985 if you owned that truck in a K20 with a 350 you were the man! That's why they started building crew cabs. Our chests were puffed out way to far for a standard cab!
Jerry rigging everything
I've driven that stretch of road countless times. I live in Colorado around south of Denver and we go camping ALL the time. We go through that mountain at least 5 times a year.
I bet that white Suburban blew up a transmission, or a rear end.. lol
I remember all too well how it was to tow anything with trucks from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Carbureted, smogged out 80s trucks had to be some of the worst for towing power - even when they were new. That truck appears to have the SM465 transmission, which is a tough transmission in its own right - but the gear ratios leave a lot to be desired for towing (even with low axle gear ratios). Back in the day, I had a 1984 K20 with a 6.2L and SM465 transmission/ 3.73 gears as a work truck. It would tow just about anything, but never anywhere fast. Hills were difficult mostly because there wasn't a good ratio between 1st and 2nd. Either the engine was screaming, or lugging. And that truck towed things way better than the other shop truck - a 1985 K10 with a 350/700R4 automatic/3.42.
Amazing how far trucks have gone in power/comfort/capability.
5.3 swap brake upgrade do it again
Liemciemdk89 the zz383 gm crate motor w/4-barrel carb much better..had 84 did a 5.3swap which was alot better but when I swapped from 5.3 back to a carbureted motor the zz383 was a night/day diff..I fly up the hills towing 5500 @ 65mph-75mph with ease
buy 5.3 $500-700 vs crate $6000
The 5.3 can also be stoked/bored out to a 396 to give the equivalent or better performance of the sbc 383
Liemciemdk89 be better off finding a wrecked 6.2. Use all of the electronics, then a proper map could be installed (factory GM fuel map is what cripples the 6.2's.) hell, even find a wrecked 6.0.
better off 4.8 turbo 800hp cheaper than finding ls3
I know this is an old video but I sure do love the look of those old Chevy trucks. This video demonstrates just how underpowered the old engines were compared to today.
A 3-Speed 305 would have never been a good hauler. Get a 350 with a 4-Speed and it will tow so much more.
we got hills worse than that in canada...
Zachary Lagler Didn't you know that the U.S have the biggest and baddest of everything in the world? lol, they even have the biggest and baddest idiot for a President in the world lmao
guy proulx sorry slappy, your leftist trudeau and angela hitler-merkel are the two biggest idiots in leadership positions.
ROTAXD I agree but that doesn't change our mountains or 15% grades...
well Arizona has an Interstate highway that wouldn't be allowed to be designated if the engineers hadn't liked, its got the highest grades in the interstate system, however US 30 in PA has a 30% grade.
I have always wanted to drive up the hill by Gap.
85 probably had 3.08 or 3.42 gears
Mr. Truck, your arms will be sore the next day I bet.
They were
Troubleshooting tailer wiring can be tedious. Poor ground connections can cause strange symptoms.
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This bought back memories of driving my grandfather's '77 GMC Sierra 3/4 with the small block 350 and the muncie 3 speed (4 if you count the granny gear) on the floor. I agree with you that today's trucks are more comfortable and have twice the power, but the mileage is still comparable to what I was able to get out of my 77. I have to say the truck was alot more easier to work on and it could take a hit like nothing. (My grandfather was broadsided on the left side front quarter panel, by a new truck. He was able to drive home, the new truck had to be towed). So much fun to drive, and I didn't mind using to it to haul stuff and use it for 'work'. New trucks or so pricey I'd be afraid to by one and use it to help move anyone or anything lest I get a 'scratch' or 'ding'
Another great video, gentlemen. My wife and I go skiing at Keystone frequently, so we've driven up and down that hill many times. We usually drive her 2011 Wrangler...the engine really has to work to make it up that hill while maintaining the speed limit. Can't hardly imagine pulling a heavy trailer up it, regardless of what I'm driving.
Seemed a little dramatic. My gosh how did people survive while towing befote the trucks did all the towing for us.
I just love Chevy trucks THANK YOU guys for getting big green
simplicity of big green is why I like it better than newer trucks. I wish there can be reviews done by people actually using trucks everyday for work that auto makers listen to. I save money by maintaining and repairing my own truck. too much gadgets on modern trucks jack the price way out of small business reach. 50 to 80 grand for a pick up is way too much. I love the capability of modern trucks but all the gadgets and plush stuff is getting away with what an American truck is. A simple and reliable work truck. I love the uphill challenges you all do though. good work.
I know that the 85 is obviously a generation older than my 93 k1500, but no word of a lie, that 1993 extended cab 4x4 with the 5.7 and factory 3.73's was a good truck. Handled 7k lbs through the mountains no problem, dead nuts reliable, and had the basic comforts (ac, power windows, power locks, command start).
Did I mention it rode better than modern trucks do? Had some light load air bags in the back, best towing truck I've ever had (and didn't ever use a weight distributing hitch).
A lot of overkill drama in this one guys. That engine can rev over 5000 rpm on its worse day and if you did that, you would have been able to grab the next gear without slowing down. The tires destroyed any advantage the 4:10 axle gave you but this was a great video. I think a 502 will change your whole out look on that truck and it would be extremely easy to install.
How was the coolant reps in the way up? How many miles on the truck? What gears?
Put a 6.2 in that and its a whole new ball game.
It's good to see how much better newer trucks are.
Good video.
Not really, modern trucks they are expensive, have a weak body, have tons of useless features, won't last as long, overall are not as strong.
If you want a glorified car get a brand new truck. If you want something that is tough, no frills, affordable, will last, manual gearbox,
Get an old truck fix it up with some new gear and buy a car with all your savings
Tmanthekid I used to talk like that when I couldn't afford one.
Awesome video guys!!! Glad to see to some old school trucks being tested like this, please don't stop testing older school trucks.
You may have done so but it wasn't fully shown, but using just the positive from another vehicle won't do anything without also hooking up the ground because it's a different voltage potential.
Good news is Mr. Truck stayed positive throughout the wiring fiasco. That's a good trait to have when stuck in a snow bank with crude tools and barely a prayer to fix an electrical problem.
Wendell Roy Road service and a bunk heater; I'm good.
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Did you go with the hose clamped to the column tach install that was so popular with the square bodies?
Yes you did! Era specific, and nostalgic.
I installed one when I was in my teens, not 5 hours.
You must have ran into some brittle wires.