I sincerly dislike the over-mythologizing of Heath Ledger's role in the Dark Knight and hearing shit like "The role was so dark, it caused Heath Ledger to literally die" is namely why.
I don’t even think his joker was super dark either, I love that film and his adaptation of it but people blow it way out of proportion. Nothing he does is any darker than any other Joker adaptation. The Arkham games are a darker Joker adaptation.
@@Ashagagal That's what im thinking too. I especially think that that one Joker from the Joker one off comic that Heath Ledger's joker is vaguely inspired by is a much darker joker than the Dark Knights.
@@ibrahimalee23 Yeah exactly, Heath did an amazing job and I can see why people love it but in the grand scheme of things his Joker is pretty tame in terms of a hypothetical joker scale. The hospital scene is the darkest it got. His performance is what really sold it being the Joker not what he was actually doing in the film.
This may sound harsh, but Ledger's untimely death is the only reason his role is treated like a religion. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing performance, and it would have been remembered and praised regardless, but Ledger's death immortalized it.
it's so irking to see people pushing the narrative that Heath Ledger was changed by the role; no, he fucking LOVED playing the Joker, he had a fuckin blast, and the real tragedy is that such a sweet dude and a terrific actor was taken too soon because of a mistake as small as an overdose
convinced that jared leto has 3 other clones living amongst us with no knowledge of each others existence and leto prime has been taking the heat for their actions - it's definitely the most logical explanation
I guarantee you, Had Heath Ledger Lived, He would've been up there with Keanu Reeves as being one of the most respected and realest actors who've ever lived. Heath's Death had NOTHING to do with him playing The Joker. He was simply taking his prescribed medication and unfortunately, a mix of his prescriptions led to his death. Heath Ledger The Legend, may he rest in peace.
@@omarcreator23 Keanu Reeves was reported to have anger issues, but we don't bring that up. Every actor on earth has done something wrong at least once in their life, that isn't an excuse to hate on them. Especially when their good deeds outweigh the bad ones
@LuciousVybz regardless of whoever they are, whether they are keanu reeves or heath ledger, just because that person behaves badly with one person and acts like a really great with other people that doesn't mean that the "good" will outweigh the bad
@@omarcreator23 Well if you want to go off your logic alone, then every celebrity is bad. So it doesn't matter if a celebrity does 1'000 good things, as long as he does one bad thing, he or she is a bad person. So you're either commenting to rage bait people, or you're just mentally 12.
@@omarcreator23 That logic is bizarre to me considering the "good outweighing the bad" is how people deem anyone good or bad. I'm not annoyed or trying to be confrontational but do you hold yourself to the same standard?
Martin Scorcese got really unfairly panned for having the genuine critique that superhero movies were assembly-line products that didn't treat the medium of film with respect or itself as art. All of which people who _read_ comics should agree with because we see what these stories lack and what art they could've been. He never said "fuck comic books", he doesn't even hate comic book stories or characters, the fact that he took Joker so seriously before he decided to move on because it wasn't for him should show he had the type of respect Disney and WB don't. Jared Leto would never just give away used condoms, no self-respecting cult leader would waste all that sauce.
I hate the whole Heath Ledger Joker thing because it ultimately just downplays the fact that he was a drug addict and had a problem. Joker didn't cause his death, his addiction did and Heath Ledger's death should be used as a talking point about addiction and it's widespread place in Hollywood and not just some bullshit to sensationalize a role.
lol your now part of the problem . Oh he was addicted to drugs , you might as well say he porpoise took them all cause he was suicidal and other shit you do not know
@@usagiwerd6664no your just reaching everything he said was true your the one reaching with the he's suicidal so he did it on Is Porpoise your the only one who said and thought that tbh
I'm also just generally tired of people treating the Joker as the absolute pinnacle of what an actor could take on. If there is a clip of an actor doing a good performance of social media, there's always top comments saying "damn he should play the joker". Yes, the character has a lot of depth and is a very interesting role to delve into as an actor I'm sure, but the fucking comic book clown is not the Mount Everest of acting.
THANK you. I'm sick of it too. Cameron monaghan is my favorite because he just played the character and left. Todd Philips's is my least favorite because he is everything you said about how this character is so deep and so sad. The only good thing is Joaquin and the fact he didn't make a big deal about his performance.
I am a joker fan and I hundred percent agree. Thank you so much. So sick of this role being touted as the pinnacle of acting. Mark hamill and none of the other voice actors had to do anything crazy. They just did it well by looking at the source material or the character, not trying to reinterpret it. Ledger only did that because nicholson did the role so well. Now everyone is trying to live up to ledger like he tried to live up to nicholson
@rikkTV Or that Joker is even the only in-depth crazy character Batman villain gallery that can be worth having an actor put in the work for a great performance. It's like people acknowledge the "Batman has the greatest rouges' gallery in comics" thing but only want the other villains in every adaptation to be stepping stones to the character.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I'd even say Ledger's is a great interpretation of the "classic" Joker, just rooted in Nolan's realistic-like universe. I don't even think he's some far out there version that's just a great movie performance like seemingly many say. I think he's both.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Yeah, Joaquin Phoenix doesn't make a big deal out of it but the media certainly does. That's why he gets evasive & facetious (seemingly scornfully) whenever he's asked questions about being "consumed" by it and the process.
I hate when people say "The real reason Joker is so cynical is because he knows hes in a comic/movie/ect" because of some random 4th wall break joke in a comic panel from the 80s. Why does every 4th wall break joke uave to be some deep part of the character?
From what I read, it stems from "Arkham Asylum: A Serious House On A Serious Earth" where it's suggested he has "super-sanity" which some misinterpreted as meaning he knows he's a fictional character, when it has nothing to do with that.
i'm so fucking tired of myths Heat Ledger's joker. It was interesting when i was a little kid, but now it's just annoying. Glad that someone finally made a video debunking those myths Anyway, good video as always, love from Russia! Very cool to see your channel grow
Woah, they rehearsed that scene 12 times! That's awesome! Thank you for debunking that Andrew! Hope you and yours are having a happy Halloween hype wonderful Wednesday week!
Michael jai white said another interview that heath ledger died during the production of the imaginarium of doctor parnassus which ledger worked on after the dark knight
2:25 istg the tiktok face pov just maes people look so, not human? Like Fallout 1 and 2 characters dropping exposition, except nothing is fact checked.
I love the hospital bit. It's way funnier to think it's improv, but man I am disappointed. But not as disappointed as I am hearing about this stupid "Joker killed Ledger" myth. Honestly, I'm more shocked the hospital scene wasn't improv because he sounds like such a cool guy and absolutely capable of pulling it off. But he didn't so I'll give those props to the writers instead.
Making a sequel to the Joaquin Phoenix 2019 "Joker" film as a musical with Lady Gaga is one of the most brain dead and ridiculous ideas I have ever heard. I hope people are not so stupid and ignorant that they will pay for the overpriced movie tickets to see that. I don't want it to do well because then the studios will think it's okay to keep making comic book movie adaptations that are of lesser quality and creatively bankrupt and awful. Marvel and DC in live action has been declining in quality for so long and it really shouldn't be that way. It's pathetic that it can't be handled properly anymore.
It's really not a bad idea. Sorry it wasnt your self insert society movie but ngl itll probably be just as bad. I heard the movie itself was bad. Joker 2019 has the basis for a great story. It was just so boringly executed. It's not a character study. It's a guy getting beat up for 2 hours so yall can project yourselves as him. Leto may have said we live in a society but pheonix did.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I didn't project myself onto Joaquin Phoenix's Joker in the first movie. I am not even a fan of the first movie. Don't assume you know me, because you don't. And yes, the idea for the second film is definitely a bad idea. Just please go away and not reply at all.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I didn't project myself onto Joaquin Phoenix's Joker in the first movie. I'm not even a fan of the first movie. Don't assume you know me because you don't. And yes, the idea for the second film is definitely a bad idea.
@@JasonBrockwell25for you to notice, Joker 2 are purposefully made by Todd himself, not studio Soooooo cant complain much, he makes a fandom and kill the fandom
All of the pushback that Scorcese received is mostly unjustified. The man is a living legend of cinema, and his works have gone on to inspire so many other artists. Whoever thinks that his comments on the super-hero genre are unfounded needs to reconsider what they consider art.
You know man i really like your videos man but as a christian i think you should just stop saying Gods name in vain cause its in one of the 10 commandments. I do hope you see this and have a change of mind. Ofcourse i admit i also do my wrongs but, i just want you to realize one wrong thing that you do. thats all ❤
that is NOT what that commandment means, saying “oh my god” is not saying the lords name in vain. Saying his name in vain means using it in a way to spread falsehoods, dishonoring him, or irreverent. The whole “oh my god” being the lords name in vain is rhetoric which was set up by old church leaders to stop kids from saying it.
I sincerly dislike the over-mythologizing of Heath Ledger's role in the Dark Knight and hearing shit like "The role was so dark, it caused Heath Ledger to literally die" is namely why.
I don’t even think his joker was super dark either, I love that film and his adaptation of it but people blow it way out of proportion. Nothing he does is any darker than any other Joker adaptation. The Arkham games are a darker Joker adaptation.
@@Ashagagal That's what im thinking too. I especially think that that one Joker from the Joker one off comic that Heath Ledger's joker is vaguely inspired by is a much darker joker than the Dark Knights.
@@ibrahimalee23 Yeah exactly, Heath did an amazing job and I can see why people love it but in the grand scheme of things his Joker is pretty tame in terms of a hypothetical joker scale. The hospital scene is the darkest it got. His performance is what really sold it being the Joker not what he was actually doing in the film.
This may sound harsh, but Ledger's untimely death is the only reason his role is treated like a religion. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing performance, and it would have been remembered and praised regardless, but Ledger's death immortalized it.
@@valentinkambushev4968 yes your are 100% spot on but people do not accept that view.
it's so irking to see people pushing the narrative that Heath Ledger was changed by the role; no, he fucking LOVED playing the Joker, he had a fuckin blast, and the real tragedy is that such a sweet dude and a terrific actor was taken too soon because of a mistake as small as an overdose
convinced that jared leto has 3 other clones living amongst us with no knowledge of each others existence and leto prime has been taking the heat for their actions - it's definitely the most logical explanation
"The three jokers"
@@spring9530well actually that’d be 4
definitely makes sense.
I guarantee you, Had Heath Ledger Lived, He would've been up there with Keanu Reeves as being one of the most respected and realest actors who've ever lived.
Heath's Death had NOTHING to do with him playing The Joker.
He was simply taking his prescribed medication and unfortunately, a mix of his prescriptions led to his death.
Heath Ledger The Legend, may he rest in peace.
He literally mistreated his then girlfriend michelle williams
@@omarcreator23 Keanu Reeves was reported to have anger issues, but we don't bring that up.
Every actor on earth has done something wrong at least once in their life, that isn't an excuse to hate on them. Especially when their good deeds outweigh the bad ones
@LuciousVybz regardless of whoever they are, whether they are keanu reeves or heath ledger, just because that person behaves badly with one person and acts like a really great with other people that doesn't mean that the "good" will outweigh the bad
@@omarcreator23 Well if you want to go off your logic alone, then every celebrity is bad.
So it doesn't matter if a celebrity does 1'000 good things, as long as he does one bad thing, he or she is a bad person.
So you're either commenting to rage bait people, or you're just mentally 12.
@@omarcreator23 That logic is bizarre to me considering the "good outweighing the bad" is how people deem anyone good or bad. I'm not annoyed or trying to be confrontational but do you hold yourself to the same standard?
Martin Scorcese got really unfairly panned for having the genuine critique that superhero movies were assembly-line products that didn't treat the medium of film with respect or itself as art. All of which people who _read_ comics should agree with because we see what these stories lack and what art they could've been. He never said "fuck comic books", he doesn't even hate comic book stories or characters, the fact that he took Joker so seriously before he decided to move on because it wasn't for him should show he had the type of respect Disney and WB don't.
Jared Leto would never just give away used condoms, no self-respecting cult leader would waste all that sauce.
Damn Leto cant even cult leader right!
Ok, now I actually feel dumb for believing the heath ledger "improvised" the whole scene "fact" 😭
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yea same
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I hate the whole Heath Ledger Joker thing because it ultimately just downplays the fact that he was a drug addict and had a problem. Joker didn't cause his death, his addiction did and Heath Ledger's death should be used as a talking point about addiction and it's widespread place in Hollywood and not just some bullshit to sensationalize a role.
For real. I am more willing to believe that playing Superman is cursed.
as far as we know he wasn’t an addict. it’s possible, but you shouldn’t be stating it as fact
lol your now part of the problem . Oh he was addicted to drugs , you might as well say he porpoise took them all cause he was suicidal and other shit you do not know
@NopeNope-mh4ty no it was proven multiple times he used drugs and he overdosed
@@usagiwerd6664no your just reaching everything he said was true your the one reaching with the he's suicidal so he did it on Is Porpoise your the only one who said and thought that tbh
Jered Leto is also a borderline cult leader
The jonkler
Why so serious?
The jerker
@@normalguy-cg3sk because man and jizz Gordan
Officer balls
Jizz Gordan
I'm also just generally tired of people treating the Joker as the absolute pinnacle of what an actor could take on.
If there is a clip of an actor doing a good performance of social media, there's always top comments saying "damn he should play the joker".
Yes, the character has a lot of depth and is a very interesting role to delve into as an actor I'm sure, but the fucking comic book clown is not the Mount Everest of acting.
THANK you. I'm sick of it too. Cameron monaghan is my favorite because he just played the character and left. Todd Philips's is my least favorite because he is everything you said about how this character is so deep and so sad. The only good thing is Joaquin and the fact he didn't make a big deal about his performance.
I am a joker fan and I hundred percent agree. Thank you so much. So sick of this role being touted as the pinnacle of acting. Mark hamill and none of the other voice actors had to do anything crazy. They just did it well by looking at the source material or the character, not trying to reinterpret it. Ledger only did that because nicholson did the role so well. Now everyone is trying to live up to ledger like he tried to live up to nicholson
@rikkTV Or that Joker is even the only in-depth crazy character Batman villain gallery that can be worth having an actor put in the work for a great performance. It's like people acknowledge the "Batman has the greatest rouges' gallery in comics" thing but only want the other villains in every adaptation to be stepping stones to the character.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I'd even say Ledger's is a great interpretation of the "classic" Joker, just rooted in Nolan's realistic-like universe. I don't even think he's some far out there version that's just a great movie performance like seemingly many say. I think he's both.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Yeah, Joaquin Phoenix doesn't make a big deal out of it but the media certainly does. That's why he gets evasive & facetious (seemingly scornfully) whenever he's asked questions about being "consumed" by it and the process.
I hate when people say "The real reason Joker is so cynical is because he knows hes in a comic/movie/ect" because of some random 4th wall break joke in a comic panel from the 80s. Why does every 4th wall break joke uave to be some deep part of the character?
Deadpool
i think that at least is a possible interpretation of the character
The truth is comic chronology and character is never consistent.
Amen
From what I read, it stems from "Arkham Asylum: A Serious House On A Serious Earth" where it's suggested he has "super-sanity" which some misinterpreted as meaning he knows he's a fictional character, when it has nothing to do with that.
i'm so fucking tired of myths Heat Ledger's joker. It was interesting when i was a little kid, but now it's just annoying. Glad that someone finally made a video debunking those myths
Anyway, good video as always, love from Russia! Very cool to see your channel grow
How does he NOT have 100k subscribers
9:34 tbh I don't trust Leto's testimony, at all
Bro the first two "facts" that you debunked have become so popular, that I used to believe them at some point (I was a kid back then)
Woah, they rehearsed that scene 12 times! That's awesome! Thank you for debunking that Andrew! Hope you and yours are having a happy Halloween hype wonderful Wednesday week!
Michael jai white said another interview that heath ledger died during the production of the imaginarium of doctor parnassus which ledger worked on after the dark knight
Jared Leto himself said he gave out used condoms he's actually just an idea like I don't blame you for taking his word but he should also
Which side are you at the Joker 2 community?
Like = positive side
Comment =negative side
Negative, never watched either but no Joker sequel should’ve never existed
Interesting. Haven't seen it but save seen like 10 negative reviews full length videos and like 1 that isn't outright negative
I actually haven't seen the dark knight
2:25 istg the tiktok face pov just maes people look so, not human? Like Fallout 1 and 2 characters dropping exposition, except nothing is fact checked.
did zaddy just uploaded a new video!? honestly this was an amazing video!
3:11 if play Joker can led to death
Than Kano is more Dark
2 actor death after play that role 😂
I love the hospital bit. It's way funnier to think it's improv, but man I am disappointed. But not as disappointed as I am hearing about this stupid "Joker killed Ledger" myth. Honestly, I'm more shocked the hospital scene wasn't improv because he sounds like such a cool guy and absolutely capable of pulling it off. But he didn't so I'll give those props to the writers instead.
now I'm gonna talk about the first one in any video acting smart like I didn't fell for it too
Making a sequel to the Joaquin Phoenix 2019 "Joker" film as a musical with Lady Gaga is one of the most brain dead and ridiculous ideas I have ever heard. I hope people are not so stupid and ignorant that they will pay for the overpriced movie tickets to see that. I don't want it to do well because then the studios will think it's okay to keep making comic book movie adaptations that are of lesser quality and creatively bankrupt and awful. Marvel and DC in live action has been declining in quality for so long and it really shouldn't be that way. It's pathetic that it can't be handled properly anymore.
It's really not a bad idea. Sorry it wasnt your self insert society movie but ngl itll probably be just as bad. I heard the movie itself was bad.
Joker 2019 has the basis for a great story. It was just so boringly executed. It's not a character study. It's a guy getting beat up for 2 hours so yall can project yourselves as him. Leto may have said we live in a society but pheonix did.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I didn't project myself onto Joaquin Phoenix's Joker in the first movie. I am not even a fan of the first movie. Don't assume you know me, because you don't. And yes, the idea for the second film is definitely a bad idea. Just please go away and not reply at all.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I didn't project myself onto Joaquin Phoenix's Joker in the first movie. I'm not even a fan of the first movie. Don't assume you know me because you don't. And yes, the idea for the second film is definitely a bad idea.
@@JasonBrockwell25 i meant "your" as in a general your. But apologies nonetheless, that's on me
@@JasonBrockwell25for you to notice, Joker 2 are purposefully made by Todd himself, not studio
Soooooo cant complain much, he makes a fandom and kill the fandom
Ya know. If we cant trust the Internet, then we can't trust you right?.
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TYSM for adding subtitles in the video 👍🏼
Anyone else think Jared was wearing a Hardy Boyz shirt
Bruh i thought you meant the book series
""People believe what they want to believe." - Mysterio" - Joker
No he didn't say that exactly either
My goat dropped again 🔥🔥
While i love heath ledgers joker and its fun to ask questions about, I swear some of these are just insane
Yay, a Cameron Monaghan Gotham cameo! 😂
Andaelee is so underrated, all the video's are will edited and funny.
"Why so serious"😈🤡🤡
Oh ya joker is coming out tomorrow
Nah bro dropped
I ain't even subscribed to bro
Why am I so early?
NOOOO😭
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Gyatt
Great video
Dude what?
You haven't even watched it yet
@@astra6485 I like his content so I always comment to boost the algorithm a little bit
There's behind the scenes footage on RUclips of Heath Ledger skateboarding on set of The Dark Knight.
Bro WHAT I thought I'd seen everything
Do you know anywhere that footage can be found?
Annoying
All of the pushback that Scorcese received is mostly unjustified. The man is a living legend of cinema, and his works have gone on to inspire so many other artists. Whoever thinks that his comments on the super-hero genre are unfounded needs to reconsider what they consider art.
You know man i really like your videos man but as a christian i think you should just stop saying Gods name in vain cause its in one of the 10 commandments. I do hope you see this and have a change of mind. Ofcourse i admit i also do my wrongs but, i just want you to realize one wrong thing that you do. thats all ❤
While I see your point
I don't think you should be so controlling.
But overall, I understand your point
that is NOT what that commandment means, saying “oh my god” is not saying the lords name in vain. Saying his name in vain means using it in a way to spread falsehoods, dishonoring him, or irreverent. The whole “oh my god” being the lords name in vain is rhetoric which was set up by old church leaders to stop kids from saying it.
Catholic or Protestant?
@@tyranitar8u couldn't have said it better
God is generic word for god in English
It's not the name of christian god and he doesn't have a monopoly on the word