Awful DCEU Theories You Forgot About
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Hey chumps, today I make due on my promise and cover old DCEU theories, a follow-up to the time I covered old MCU theories. This includes stuff like Joker being Jason Todd, Aquaman in Man of Steel, and Ben Affleck being Deathstroke. Sweet. I stayed up past 12am to get this done, so you're welcome.
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my favorite theory was batman v superman was going to be a courtroom drama because "v" (opposed to "vs") is usually only used in legal battles.
*suits intro plays*
you know, I might have enjoyed that version way more
Or if you're trying to sound deep and edgy like Zach lol
@@spiderbug7615, agreed
The choice of killing of Dick Grasyon was one of the dubmest decisions made about the bat-family in the DCEU
Like come on! One of the Robin’s is actually famously killed by the Joker!!!
It was probably the first big sign that Snyder didn't care about adapting a proper batman other than the ultra violent Frank Miller aspects of the character
I’ll choose to believe it was Jason and that Dick and Bruce weren’t on good terms during the events of BvS and Justice League to explain his absence. Snyder never put anything in the films to state it was Dick that died
*Dumbest
#Iblamezacksnyder
Joker isn't the Joker.
Doomsday isn't Doomsday.
Jimmy Olsen isn't Jimmy Olsen.
These are the most nonsensical things because even if Zack says that his Doomsday isn't the real Doomsday to make his fans happy, but it's not like he was going to use the "real Doomsday" so that is the Doomsday. It's the only Doomsday he used, so that's his real Doomsday.
Don’t forget Lex Luthor isn’t Lex Luthor
Is batman even batman?
@@MadMax-de5uh Oh, yeah, that's true, that's his son.
The Film Theory (Matpat at that time) theorized that the Josstice League (JL2017) is the bad ending, because Batman doesn't know nor mention Lois in that movie which leads to the Knightmare which is the timeline where Darkseid rules Earth, and Superman turns evil by the Anti-Life Equation cuz Batman fails to protect Lois who was then killed by Darkseid, while the Snyder Cut is the good ending cuz Flash pulls back in time and warns Batman about it, thus "erasing" the dark future.
I think it's a good theory (just check Film Theory's "Dear DC, I Fixed Your Universe" vid for more details) but I bet my fifty dollars you probably won't like it.
I would like to think that but that "postcredits" was a problem.
MatPat often made theories about weird stuff in movies/shows that just turned out to be poor writing.
Here we go again blaming Joss whedon for something Snyder already f'ed up
Batman is the reason lois is there to calm superman down
My twist on this is that Josstice League was created when Barry tried to fix the timeline but it didn't quite work, so he went back one more time and this time it stuck.
It seems Zack was never a fan of the Robin's that they eventually became Nightwing, Red hood, and Red robin.
well he did say that he was planning to bring in carrier kelley, idk what this dude's obsession is with tdkr
@@andaelee He took a storyline that said "wouldn't it suck if Batman and Superman were these broken mopes all the time?" And said "These are the true essences of these characters."
Doesn't matter that the story ends hopeful, doesn't matter Batman still has a no kill policy with his "guns are the enemy" speech. Just take tdkr and stretch it out for an entire cinematic universe.
So why even include it in the first place
@billbill6094 batman has kill before though
@@silverstrike5904 The few times Batman has killed has usually been out of canon, and always with purpose. A way to show how far Batman was pushed or as a commentary on the morality of killing, it's always explored. Even the few times Batman has agreed to kill someone in canon, it was a measure of how evil and indomitable a threat was, such as when he broke both his no gun rule and his no kill rule in order to kill Darkseid, and ended up dying as well as a final sacrificial act, maybe a commentary on the symbol of Batman either as broken or as a martyr. Even in movies like Batman Begins when he chooses to kill Joe Chill it represent just how far he's fallen from the ideals of his father, and he immediately gathers the strength to reach them again.
When writers have Batman just kill willy nilly it's a sign that they have nothing interesting to say with the character. No interesting stories to tell nor interesting perspectives so they latch on to breaking his core values as a way to be "fresh" and "original", not realizing they're standing on the backs of a few great comic writers and countless terrible ones as they rehash the same trope that's been done before. Batman is much more interesting when it tackles the morality and psychology and willpower of not killing, but even then Batman stories don't _have_ to focus on not killing. You can just tell a good Batman story and he can just happen to not kill in it, like the vast majority of good Batman stories.
Turning Batman into a serial killer just because it's edgy and you want to stick it to the people told you who the character is at his core and because you think it distracts from your movie being hot garbage is not at all interesting or unique, it's just an empty story using the skin of one of the coolest characters in all of fiction. Don't use the name if you don't want the character.
I remember that "Ben Affleck is Deathstroke" fan theory and it was fucking stupid! So laughable!
I know of an even dumber one: That Marvel was trying to sabotage these movies and that that was the reason why some of them didn't do so well - particularly the Zack Snyder movies. They use the fact that Joss Whedon rewrote Justice League and was a POS during production and also, even more deranged, that Callan Mulvey (the main "goon" in BvS, whose identity was the secret identity of KGBeast, even though he wasn't KGBeast at all), who was previously also a "main goon" in Captain America: The Winter Soldier was sent BY Marvel to sabotage BvS
They're accusing lower-level actors of espionage. Just because "He did a Marvel movie, once!"
What's funny is that Deathstroke actually *did* play Batman during the 2000s run of _The Outsiders_ pre-Infinite Crisis. He was feeding Arsenal info on D-list villains that the team could take down, which drove those villains to join The Society in its role as a protection racket.
A lot of Snyder's ideas were absolutely ass. Man really wanted Bruce to knock up Lois after Superman's death and have him be the Batman in the future.
Thank fuck the DCEU is dead.
My theory was joker killed robin and Batman knocked his teeth in as a result
"You take the Jo and the ke from John Blake and you get Joke."
Meanwhile iconic Batman supervillain hnBla was right in front of us the whole time as we were distracted by this.
Zach Snyder try not to ruin the DCEU movies (IMPOSSIBLE)
Do- do people not know that the solo Batfleck movie’s villain was going to be Slade??
Exactly but that theory about Ben being Deathstroke was circulating before it was announced who the villain was going to be in Ben Affleck's Batman movie
That movie was still years away from BvS
I'm honestly shocked that Dan DiDio didn't force Snyder to say that the dead Robin was Stephanie.
God, I remember the Deathstroke/Nolanverse theory, that theory was just really dumb/stupid. Wouldn't even bother me if the dude just said that Ben Affleck was playing an older John Blake and Jeremy Irons was Bruce Wayne or some shit, but no, he couldn't do that, whoever made this theory came up with the insane BS of, Affleck is actually Deathstroke, Irons is Winter Green, and Jared Leto Joker is John Blake and Christian Bale will show up and Bizzaro is the villain (okay, the last part with Bizzaro isn't bad though and I honestly would've preferred Bizzaro over Doomsday). Ugh.
Also, I honestly in hindsight, wish that Joker is Jason Todd theory was actually true. I actually had my own theory back in the day that Jared Leto Joker was first Robin, Dick Grayson. Which also would've been better then what we actually got.
bizarro would've been ten times better in bvs without doomsday and wonder woman
Me and friend used to talk about these theories like crazy 🤣
and now we wait for superman 🧍♂
Honestly I'm surprised they didn't make Joker an ex-Robin, or Joker Jr.
They did it with Lex Luthor and Doomsday when people didn't like them lol
I like that Ben Affleck being Deathstroke and that Christian Bale was the DCEU Batman as I really wanted to be along with Andrew Garfield being the MCU Spider-Man
No offense to any of the theories behind these. I always encourage creative thinking, and the Robin/Joker idea honestly wouldn’t have been a bad one. But a lot of these come across like it’s just us fans trying to cope with the fact they didn’t know what they wanted to do with the DCEU
I really don't mind the Joker being Robin theory. It explains the older Joker(Joaquin Phoenix) meeting a very young Bruce Wayne. It explains the various lines in BvS between Bruce and Alfred about what the city can do to a person. It also gives new meaning to tthe "Joker killed Robin" thing
Joaquin Phoenix's Joker was never meant to be part of the DCEU, Thomas Wayne is played by a different actor in DCEU, Joker and The Batman universes
@@pats3212 true.but the way these studios retroactively connect their storylines depending on who they have as the main director, that's a possible way they could go about it. Or atleast they could've gone about it
@@melo3916no.
DCEU is so disjointed that you can make anything remotely plausible your own canon.
Then your not a dc fan
Ok naw the last theory sounds straight up SPED 💀💀💀💀💀
I feel compelled to point out an aspect of this topic that I feel often gets overlooked, which is that not all theories are meant to be read with author intent in mind. Yes, sometimes people are trying to explore where they the story is intending to go, but some theories are more like mini-headcanons or what-if scenarios that all get lumped in together, which I feel is unfair to some of the theories involved. Death of the author and all that. It's not so much "Hey, here's what I think the creators want us to think!", its more "Hey, what if *this* is the reason for this?". It ultimately doesn't matter what the author intended at that point, because thats not the point of the theory.
The first theory was amazing and makes sense and similar stuff has happened in media
Name one time
@@PencilFan-hj3loBatman Beyond: Return of the Joker
That flash show STAR labs shirt goes insane dude 😭
Aquaman saved Superman? Superman doesn't even breathe under a yellow sun.
People online wanted that Joker/Jason Todd theory so bad and it always sounded so stupid to me
It would have explained why a Batman who flat out murders his criminals and villains did not murder the Joker.
Honestly, the aquaman one is more believable than the jason todd one
i see that star labs shirt and i ask you to make a video trash talking the cw flash for like 12 hours
What? The series that introduced me to comics and made the Flash my favorite hero? Please don't attack my precious little peak (please do, it became so horrible since season 5, slander up until season 4 won't be tolerated though.)
Lol there's too much of those already but I'd watch it if Andrew made one fr
@@jaegerwhatifs4679 LMFAO... i feel you though that show singlehandedly lifted the flash love for me
if you want 12 hours hating on something go watch mauler and try not to fall asleep.
I'm in the background
I'm going crazy at how well I'm remembering these forgotten theories that I definitely came across on some backwater forum 😂
The Aquaman thing is actually Canon
There actually is a Batman movie where the Joker is one of the Robins and I have yet to hear anyone say anything bad about that movie
I'm pretty sure you're referring to the Dark Knight Strikes again (which is actually a comic) and many people complain about that book because it's some of Frank Miller's worst work on the character
@@PencilFan-hj3lo I am referring to Batman beyond the return of the Joker
@@martinbabich1920 yes that's a very different situation Tim Drake of that universe is really just Tim in name only and otherwise is Jason Todd (the one that dies)
I did not forget about Joker/Robin and still think it was a good idea 😅
Snyder never got DC aside from the scene where Bruce ran to try and save the school bus full of kids, otherwise he never really got it at all.
What is wrong with Zack Snyder and what is wrong with the DCEU.
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Honestly the whole theory on Batman losing his way is to tie it back to the dark trilogy was his origin story would have been a good idea but I know it wouldn’t make any sense because that Batman got a happy ending. They would have made a whole lot of stuff up on what happened to him over the years, good thing that theory isn’t true.
Recuerdo una teoría de que superman de Batman v superman en realidad era bizarro asi que habría sido deathstroke v bizarro
😂 Hey i really love that last one imagine while watching Batsaffleck beats a crap out of Supes insted we got a Martha scene Batbale is jump out of shadow and unmasked batfleck as Deathstroke later they teamup with Wonder Women beat Doomsday
But instead they from justice League in the end they built spaceship like in Interstellar film to help people escape Darkseid😂
Wouldn’t it make sense for John Blake to take up the mantle of Batman in batman v superman instead of being Jared Joker 💀
Jason Todd Joker was a cool theory
lol absolutely love your channel
i absolutely love you
6:22 this is some Adam West Batman level bullshit 😂
Zack Snyder should've have Batman with 2 robins at the same time
The Joker theory could have really worked well
I appreciate you taking on the mess that is the DCEU fan theories.
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I can’t handle these theory’s.
The only problem with your videos is I wish they were longer
sorry i can't last that long with beautiful people (you guys)
Theory: Lex Luthor is a N*zi and Doomsday runs on Jew-detecting technology (only a few will get the reference)
Atleast we had some interesting fan theories back then not like today's time where all we get is XYZ actor or we can say pretty much entire Hollywood is reprising their role in Secret Wars.
Yay, sorry we made you endure so much torture but I loved your MCU theories video
I don't HATE the Joker theory, but less as a cope for there being a better Joker, and more as a potentially interesting story beat. The DCEU was never following the comics and I think that's fine, at times it created some really great material, though rarely. So if we'd seen this departure from the comics played out in a full Batman movie, I don't know, maybe it could've had interesting story potential. But just as a bandaid to cover up a bad performance...not a fan...
The fact that someone throught that the V in Batman V Superman was a 5 might have broken me
zack snyder is garbage
Actually he’s right about Zack Snyder never intended to do a marvel type of verse having 22+ interconnected films
Snyder originally planned to make 5 films
Man of steel Batman v Superman JL l ll & lll
i like the theory of jared leto joker being jason todd, but the zack snyder version of justice league make this theory weird since joker jokes about doing reach arounds for batman, and thats f@cked up, dceu had many problems specially how dceu was so divided theres aquman 2017 justice league and wonder woman 1984 and zack snyder justice league each of those movies seems like alternate universe variants, this movies have some many inconsistencies with some characters and events that its impossible to fit them in one coherent universe timeline
Chris prat should be superman and batman in the next movie.(I'm joking....)
star labs jumper !!!!!!
So it's more likely that a random fucking whale showed up when Clark was dying and just happened to wake him up?
If I remember correctly either Wan or Snyder confirmed that Mamoas Aquaman did save Clark in Man of Steel.
Martha Kent doesn't exist and she was actually the Martian from Man of Steel
That's why she was so scared of the flame thrower and the ghost Jhonatan Kent that appears in BVS was actually the disgraced Martian
Gosh i hate when people make theories just to have something to say😂
I always hated the kJoker is Robin’ theory because Leto isnt just old, hes older than Affleck
The subtle subtitles miss matching the words is 👨🍳👌
I still think that the Jason todd theorie is really cool
No it's stupid, really stupid.
@@PencilFan-hj3lo Leto is older than Affleck, I genuinely don’t know how people belived this theory.
I wish the Joker Jason Todd one was true so that we could get a movie in which nightwing is sent on a mission by Batman to find jasson Todd joker
I have a theory that Deathstroke was Dick Graysons dad and that’s why he was going to be going after Batman in the solo movie
Oh god I remember the Batman 8s actually deathstroke theory
idc that robin/joker theory would’ve been the coolest shit ever
Also, why Deathstroke and not AZRAEL.
2:47 like why the fuck would they ever do that?
These theories are not bad, they are just shallow af
I think its pretty obvious that the Joker is Robin
These are always so hilarious
Justin Bieber playing Robin scared me for weeks lmao
I do like the idea of a Storyline where a Robin becomes The Joker
Better than the actual movies tho
Aquaman savint Clark was confirmed in tie-in media
I have the same star labs shirt
nice youtube recomendation video, awesome video
Make a video about best dc and marvel theories
Honestly, I’m kind of bummed that last theory isn’t true. Especially considering what they were already willing to do with the overall plan for the justice league trilogy anyway. It’s not even that much of a crazy theory. it would’ve been pretty cool. It would’ve been looked at as ruining the original trilogy but it would’ve been pretty cool outside of the fact that those first three movies are so perfect.
Like that thing about the letter V was actually pretty cool if it had been real. Like, could you imagine the reveal about 30 minutes into the movie of this being a sequel to the dark Knight? Could you imagine how fucking crazy those theaters would’ve went? Ben Affleck would’ve been a bad casting for deathstroke, but otherwise everything else about that is pretty cool. as long as it was done well and they actually did stuff like showing how we got from Joseph Gordon Levitt to Jared Leto
Is the dark night trilogy? Connected. To the dcu I’m confused
No but people wanted it to be for some reason
@@silverdragon3132 trust me you don’t want to have Jared Leno replace heath ledger
@@MichaelEwing-t6l Agreed
Why even is it the dceu ehat does the e mean
DC Extended Universe
I can’t 😂 6:18
The damage on Joker’s forehead symbolizes the memory’s he lost due to Harlequin
No. Stop that's stupid
@@PencilFan-hj3lo trust me it’s true
@@MichaelEwing-t6l Jared Leto is older than Ben Affleck
@@PencilFan-hj3lo really
@@MichaelEwing-t6l yes
Why even is it the dceu ehat does the e mean
It means the DC Extended Universe
(And DC means Detective Comics)
@@alvis_studios I know what dc means
you need at least 1 million subs for this kinda content, keep going dude fr
aw thanks for the kind words 🫶
@@andaelee no problem dude, but im being fr, i scrolled down saw your sub count and i was expecting it to be at least a million, i got a feeling you gonna be big one day
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