Same here. Right before their turn an opponent cast Summoner's Pact, in response, I Submerged their Marwyn which had more than enough counters on her. Which, they only had two lands and no mana rocks in play.
Great getting to play with you guys in Indy, and awesome to see that the videos survived after the camera issue. These getting uploaded today was a great birthday gift by the way. I do also apologize that the top loaders caused glare lol.
I specifically want to tell Joe his deck is awesome and it is his damn right to show it off. Loved to see it and feel bad a bunch of salty folks made him think he has to apoligise for it. People need to chill and enjoy what they get to see here. No one needs to justify something they like nor do pwp need to justify if they want to put that out as content. People / viewers need to be a bit nicer. That entitled attitude is the bane of this community.
Honestly, I didn't see that much salt in the comments-just what I interpreted as incredulity. That's a rare sight to behold, and it piques curiosity on the topic of "shuffleability". (Is that a word?) I think it's pretty neat. I often wondered if there was anyone out there mad enough to try it.
Are all of those cards in Joe's deck real? The black border Sol Ring, etc etc etc? If so, that's nuts and I would be proud as all hell to own all those.
I tried tcgp's premium membership, soon as I enabled it the cart optimizer consistently picked more expensive options. Once I disabled it and let the month play out, the optimizer was better behaved but still sometimes picks wild choices. It once switched to a $1200 version of a $2 card. And yes I took screenshots. I don't trust the optimizer anymore, it feels like it's optimizing for them not you.
My biggest pain with TCGPlayer is that they don't follow their own policies. As a seller I am expected to- -Put cards in the mail in 48 hours -Provide tracking for $20+ And they do not follow either, I've ordered 39.84 worth of cards and been told since it wasn't $40 I got no tracking, taken 5 days to get into the mail, and recieved the wrong card from Direct multiple times. It's really sad tbh
@@nicholasbower17 I've had similar experiences with shipping. Even with premium it took forever to get to me. You have to order a lot every time to qualify. The premium service just isn't worth the 2% and free shipping when it's so conditional
They took me off mana with the Fury killing the dorks and the vandalblast taking away the crypt, so I couldn't counter either the twin flame or the dual caster. It happens!
@@honestabe952 he can do that shit elsewhere. On the channel, he is supposed to be playing something watchable. I'd rather watch a game with proxies written on lands than a game where every card is a white glare rectangle.
is joe really paying with HUGE HARD SHELL PROTECTORS??? my buddy has a deck like that for a 60-card(mod) deck but damn.... that's a big stack and hard to shuffle ... am i wrong?
Takes practice learning to shuffle it, and I definitely do not recommend using it all the time. I have a proxy version of the deck as well, but this was all unplanned, so I didn't have the proxy version with me.
I think she's pretty strong, but these games definitely don't show the commander's ability. I kept some really funny hands but Hinata as a card preformed a lot this weekend off camera. -Noah
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG the biggest problem with hinata is 1) the synergy spells you play with her are basically useless unless he's on board, so that's a lot of the deck that's dead on opening draw 2) her tax ability is worse than GAAIV because she only hits your opponent's counterspells and rarely their own wincon 3) the games where hinata feels really good is 95% due to drawing good jeskai cards in the 99
Probably fear of countermagic with three blue decks at the table. If he goes for it and doesn’t win immediately he’s not able to do anything. Also probably if another player goes for the win first, it would get all of the interaction out of the way for a win on his turn
@@TheYamiyugi123 i don't play Godo, so I wouldn't know, and i guess hindsight is 20/20. I just feel like Godo is glass cannon, and you go for it, and if it doesn't work, there's always next game, but again, i trust Logan had a thought process behind it
@@Halinn if he had first main cast mana crypt and KCI, he had 5 artifacts (grim monolith, sol ring, a treasure, mana crypt, and the KCI) plus an untapped mountain. That's 11 mana.
The underground sea was still untapped. He tapped everything to pay for pact, but kinnan gave him enough mana to leave the underground sea untapped. It was kind of blink and you miss it, I also went back and had to check out what happened
I know others have said it, but I just wanted to echo that I didn't enjoy watching the Tymna Kraum deck, it was hard to see the cards. Other than that, keep up the good work! Love your channel :)
Joe here - sorry that they made the viewing difficult. This was completely unplanned (we didn't even know the PWP guys were going to be at Indy when we went), so I didn't have my proxied version of the deck.
@@CyberConnects totally understandable! Gotta seize opportunity when ya have it haha. Awesome that you have ask those cards though! Don't think I could bring myself to play with them if I had them, no matter HOW sleeved :P
@@thomasnoonan2039 I generally don't play with them (though tbh, been lazy with updating the proxy deck... so yeah). I stopped brining my actual vintage deck out a couple of years ago though, since that is even more of a $$$ nightmare. Its generally just not a safe move to walk around with these cards, which is really sad.
Joe needs to just proxy his deck if he can't play with normal sleeves. This is ridiculous. You are a streaming games channel, no one cares about you having the real cards (or the blingiest deck) if we literally can't even see them with all the glare.
Joe is a long time player and brought the real version of his deck to show us. It is all alphas and betas and he wanted to show it off on the channel. He usually plays a normally sleeved decks that's all proxies.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG He had to show it off in a game where he couldn't shuffle and we couldn't see? If he has a normally sleeved version of the deck, why not bring it to show you, and then play the normal one where the viewers can see what is played? I don't get why you are covering for selfishness and being anti-viewer on a channel where you make videos that require the board state to be seen...
@@mfmageiwatch While I agree that the glare made the cards hard to see, there's definitely a less hostile way to tell the channel about it than the entitled way you're coming off. It's not even like the game was that hard to follow since there's narration and card displays in the middle on top of how quick the games went. Finally, this is the literal FIRST TIME that they've ever had this issue with someone brining in top loaded decks as a novelty. These guys do a great job week after week, so there's no reason to be so dramatic about "anti-viewer" when they'll likely see the feedback and not do it again.
@@lingzhou6067 If these guys would have responded similar to you, then things would likely have been fine. As it stands, I have already unsubbed, just like I did to Spike Feeders 2 years ago when they insulted their viewership and then told me "bye, you will not be missed" when I called them out on it. If they don't want me watching, I can grant that wish. There is literally more content I could watch than hours in the day, so I don't need to be watching stuff where the people making it actively hate me. Simple as that.
It takes practice to shuffle, but its not that bad once you get used to it. Clearly it was an issue for the camera though - had this been planned, would have had the proxy version of the deck.
not sure which list was being played for bluefarm because it's certainly not the list in the description. Ironically, the one in the description is good while the deck in the video is pretty bad tbh. Malevolent hermit is flat out not good in bluefarm and reality architect...seriously? lmao. A lot of money went into that guy's foils despite him playing unoptimally. Should've been an easy t2 kraum in game 1 instead of reality architect (a card that does literally nothing) but I guess he doesn't like drawing cards. Game 2 he had an easy t1 rhystic study and literally wheels it away lmao. How long has this guy been playing bluefarm, and how many games has he won against you guys? if I had to guess, legit under 5 times he's won against you guys
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I don't know how high my horse needs to be to see the very obvious and standard bluefarm lines. Maybe a few inches off the ground? but idk man, when I play bluefarm I like to draw cards so maybe he just doesnt like to draw. Having an expensive deck doesn't necessarily mean you're good at the lines
Well I see Jeff is back with his masterful game play commentary. I’d like to challenge you to show your games on camera. It very easy to be a critic when you have no skin in the game. Why not do something to better the community instead of just cut folks down
Fuck off with this pretentious shit. Even if they aren't playing what you consider the "optimal" build of the deck you should be able to see you are acting like an ass hole rn.
Spoke with a gentlemen from Ireland when we went to Tier1Con last year. He said that it IS pronounced "choo-lane", and his country/history/heritage is where it derives. The audacity of you commenting something like this in unbelievable.
I was so hoping that someone removed Kinnan so that Mike couldn't pay for Pact... 😈
I've killed someone like that. They pacted then I overloaded a Vandalblast to leave them with 4 mana.
@@Cloudpiroth01 Same here. 2 opponents are easier to manage than 3.
Same here. Right before their turn an opponent cast Summoner's Pact, in response, I Submerged their Marwyn which had more than enough counters on her. Which, they only had two lands and no mana rocks in play.
Great getting to play with you guys in Indy, and awesome to see that the videos survived after the camera issue. These getting uploaded today was a great birthday gift by the way. I do also apologize that the top loaders caused glare lol.
I would love a pwp short vid on how you shuffle that, I can't wrap my head around it!
So glad to have you! Happy birthday! No need to apologize. All is well.
@@dotFortune maybe I'll make a quick video, and post it lol...
I'm a simple man. I see Chulane, I click. He's my cEDH Commander and I can't stop playing that deck.
that is pretty simple yeah
They got the pronunciation wrong off the rip though
I looooove to see in person games again! Looks so clean, no blur.
Ryan the voice of POWER!!!
I always joked about playing a deck in top loaders but Joe did it, what a monster
Been waiting for this game. It looked so sweet in Indy!
Was Joe's deck triple sleeved with hard plastic cases as well!?!? Straight protecting them assets!
I can't blame him it looks like his deck is worth like $100k lmao.
Ryan's back! 🔥🔥🔥
Loved that spite KCI sac in response to the winning combo lol
Me when i saw the 12 minute video:
"Its going to be a quick match"
Me when the first game ended in 5 minutes:
"O.o"
Hauahauaha
Loved seeing Godo. Sad the warlord didn't take at least one game but great to see a unique list
I specifically want to tell Joe his deck is awesome and it is his damn right to show it off. Loved to see it and feel bad a bunch of salty folks made him think he has to apoligise for it. People need to chill and enjoy what they get to see here. No one needs to justify something they like nor do pwp need to justify if they want to put that out as content. People / viewers need to be a bit nicer. That entitled attitude is the bane of this community.
I appreciate it! My cedh deck and my vintage deck are some of my prized possessions, and I love getting to take them out and play with them.
Honestly, I didn't see that much salt in the comments-just what I interpreted as incredulity. That's a rare sight to behold, and it piques curiosity on the topic of "shuffleability". (Is that a word?)
I think it's pretty neat. I often wondered if there was anyone out there mad enough to try it.
That Deck from Joe. Wow... these cards are amazing. Kind regards from germany
I just made an really interested Yawgmoth Thran CEDH deck that can threaten relatively early, I would love to see someone play a mono B Thran on here
Shout out to Joe for paying with those thicc card protectors!
Damn. Joe's deck is hot.
Thank you!
Are all of those cards in Joe's deck real? The black border Sol Ring, etc etc etc? If so, that's nuts and I would be proud as all hell to own all those.
They are!
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG That's absolutely insane. Kudos on the deck!!
Best cedh chanell 😎
I love all the toploaders Joe has!
Thank you lol.
@@CyberConnects 😁
The Tymna Kraum player is right… you can never be too careful!!!
I tried tcgp's premium membership, soon as I enabled it the cart optimizer consistently picked more expensive options. Once I disabled it and let the month play out, the optimizer was better behaved but still sometimes picks wild choices. It once switched to a $1200 version of a $2 card. And yes I took screenshots. I don't trust the optimizer anymore, it feels like it's optimizing for them not you.
My biggest pain with TCGPlayer is that they don't follow their own policies. As a seller I am expected to-
-Put cards in the mail in 48 hours
-Provide tracking for $20+
And they do not follow either, I've ordered 39.84 worth of cards and been told since it wasn't $40 I got no tracking, taken 5 days to get into the mail, and recieved the wrong card from Direct multiple times. It's really sad tbh
@@nicholasbower17 I've had similar experiences with shipping. Even with premium it took forever to get to me.
You have to order a lot every time to qualify. The premium service just isn't worth the 2% and free shipping when it's so conditional
Wild games!
Is there a link to purchase Joe’s play mat?
Noah and I clearly do NOT have the same mull to 4 games. What a game 1 !
Short bun fun games. Gg
Some great games! Was hoping to see more from the midrange decks though. Maybe next time.
They took me off mana with the Fury killing the dorks and the vandalblast taking away the crypt, so I couldn't counter either the twin flame or the dual caster. It happens!
@@marcomedina3345 understandable, I'm just a fan of everyone doing their thing. Best of luck!
Are they double sleeved inside of the top loaders?
Yes
Triple sleeved actually lol... Perfect Fit, Dragon Shield, Art Sleeve, Top Loader
Joe really got a stack of 99 rigid card holders for his deck? Gotta be over a foot high.
It was thicc
Why does the Timetwister have the Vintage Master logo??? Was it ever printed??
MB, it is only the visuel effects
Is Joe's sleeves actually the hard cases????
Yes
everytime I see a pact, I always wonder If someone will try to remove your mana sources so you lose to the trigger xD
Does Noah hate cards? He keeps mulling 3?
What are the full art dual lands at 7:57 Mike has? I want to get or make some
They look like proxies. Etsy would be a good place to start
how do you shuffle toploaders? lol
Are joes “sleeves” just top loaders?😂😂
I can’t blame him, those cards look expensive enough to warrant it
He had his deck quadruple sleeved. He had beta dual lands, beta fast mana, the blingiest version of every card in his deck. It was a sight to see.
@@honestabe952 Wild! How does he shuffle?😅
@@quintonmacdonald6683 it took a long time lmao
@@honestabe952 he can do that shit elsewhere. On the channel, he is supposed to be playing something watchable. I'd rather watch a game with proxies written on lands than a game where every card is a white glare rectangle.
Are those beta duals? (Joe)
Nice one gang!!!!!
Is PWP proxy friendly?
Yes! Always!
wait is joe using hard sleeves
coulden't lincoln have gone for it after the kci? i count 11 mana. with one red there. cast godo equip helm?
did he have it in hand?
He attacked with Ragavan to get the extra treasure. Godo doesn't win post combat.
Man, that top loader glare kills.
is joe really paying with HUGE HARD SHELL PROTECTORS??? my buddy has a deck like that for a 60-card(mod) deck but damn.... that's a big stack and hard to shuffle ... am i wrong?
Takes practice learning to shuffle it, and I definitely do not recommend using it all the time. I have a proxy version of the deck as well, but this was all unplanned, so I didn't have the proxy version with me.
Joe ... just proxy holy
The last couple of time Hinata has been played her ability has been obsolete. Makes me wonder if there's a better choice of commander in jeskai
Agreed, maybe kykar or jeska/ishai?
Jeska/Ishai is pretty strong from what I've seen
I think she's pretty strong, but these games definitely don't show the commander's ability. I kept some really funny hands but Hinata as a card preformed a lot this weekend off camera. -Noah
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG the biggest problem with hinata is 1) the synergy spells you play with her are basically useless unless he's on board, so that's a lot of the deck that's dead on opening draw 2) her tax ability is worse than GAAIV because she only hits your opponent's counterspells and rarely their own wincon 3) the games where hinata feels really good is 95% due to drawing good jeskai cards in the 99
Why didn't Lincoln go for the win on his turn? He had enough mana with the KCI, no?
Probably fear of countermagic with three blue decks at the table. If he goes for it and doesn’t win immediately he’s not able to do anything. Also probably if another player goes for the win first, it would get all of the interaction out of the way for a win on his turn
He didn't have enough mana without the treasure from attacking with Ragavan. Godo wins through combat, and he went past it.
@@TheYamiyugi123 i don't play Godo, so I wouldn't know, and i guess hindsight is 20/20. I just feel like Godo is glass cannon, and you go for it, and if it doesn't work, there's always next game, but again, i trust Logan had a thought process behind it
@@Halinn if he had first main cast mana crypt and KCI, he had 5 artifacts (grim monolith, sol ring, a treasure, mana crypt, and the KCI) plus an untapped mountain. That's 11 mana.
Is joe… is joe playing with a deck of top loaders????
Yep. He had a ton of alpha and beta cards.
Doesn’t it look like joes entire deck is in plastic Top Loaders LOL how many sleeves is that
That's because it is in top loaders.
400 technically, since everything is Quad sleeved.
@@CyberConnects this was the answer I’m looking for thank you
How is Dockside not the most important card in these games?
Because it’s ALWAYS the mvp. We might as well do away with MVP at that point.
Hinata is proving to be a very powerful build
Am I watching someone playing with toploaders?
Yup - everything is quad sleeved.
Show me what you've got
Joe who?
(Joe here) just a vintage/cedh player that happened to bump into the PWP guys at the Indy event.
@@CyberConnects it was a Joe Mama joke.
Ancient tomb cannot pay for wishclaw i think. Anyway, great 1st game!
The underground sea was still untapped. He tapped everything to pay for pact, but kinnan gave him enough mana to leave the underground sea untapped. It was kind of blink and you miss it, I also went back and had to check out what happened
Cedh games are getting boring to watch, I still enjoy playing them however.
I know others have said it, but I just wanted to echo that I didn't enjoy watching the Tymna Kraum deck, it was hard to see the cards. Other than that, keep up the good work! Love your channel :)
Joe here - sorry that they made the viewing difficult. This was completely unplanned (we didn't even know the PWP guys were going to be at Indy when we went), so I didn't have my proxied version of the deck.
@@CyberConnects totally understandable! Gotta seize opportunity when ya have it haha. Awesome that you have ask those cards though! Don't think I could bring myself to play with them if I had them, no matter HOW sleeved :P
@@thomasnoonan2039 I generally don't play with them (though tbh, been lazy with updating the proxy deck... so yeah). I stopped brining my actual vintage deck out a couple of years ago though, since that is even more of a $$$ nightmare. Its generally just not a safe move to walk around with these cards, which is really sad.
First. Gottem!
Wow. We’re still doing this?
@@honestabe952 Don't hate the player, hate the game.
lol, playing in top loaders
His deck is all Alphas/Betas where it can be :)
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Sadly not my twister... :'(
thassa wins are sooooo common these days.
Yep, Thassa's Oracle is the Craterhoof Behemoth of Casual.
Joe needs to just proxy his deck if he can't play with normal sleeves. This is ridiculous. You are a streaming games channel, no one cares about you having the real cards (or the blingiest deck) if we literally can't even see them with all the glare.
he also wins the prize as probably the worst bluefarm player in a video lol
Joe is a long time player and brought the real version of his deck to show us. It is all alphas and betas and he wanted to show it off on the channel. He usually plays a normally sleeved decks that's all proxies.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG He had to show it off in a game where he couldn't shuffle and we couldn't see? If he has a normally sleeved version of the deck, why not bring it to show you, and then play the normal one where the viewers can see what is played? I don't get why you are covering for selfishness and being anti-viewer on a channel where you make videos that require the board state to be seen...
@@mfmageiwatch While I agree that the glare made the cards hard to see, there's definitely a less hostile way to tell the channel about it than the entitled way you're coming off. It's not even like the game was that hard to follow since there's narration and card displays in the middle on top of how quick the games went. Finally, this is the literal FIRST TIME that they've ever had this issue with someone brining in top loaded decks as a novelty. These guys do a great job week after week, so there's no reason to be so dramatic about "anti-viewer" when they'll likely see the feedback and not do it again.
@@lingzhou6067 If these guys would have responded similar to you, then things would likely have been fine. As it stands, I have already unsubbed, just like I did to Spike Feeders 2 years ago when they insulted their viewership and then told me "bye, you will not be missed" when I called them out on it. If they don't want me watching, I can grant that wish. There is literally more content I could watch than hours in the day, so I don't need to be watching stuff where the people making it actively hate me. Simple as that.
ugggh, Joe's deck is just too much plastic and unwieldy....
It takes practice to shuffle, but its not that bad once you get used to it. Clearly it was an issue for the camera though - had this been planned, would have had the proxy version of the deck.
I hate those top loaders 🤢🤮
Sorry that you hate them. Had this been at all planned, I would have had the proxy version of my deck, but this was a random game at the Indy event.
Oh come on..
not sure which list was being played for bluefarm because it's certainly not the list in the description. Ironically, the one in the description is good while the deck in the video is pretty bad tbh. Malevolent hermit is flat out not good in bluefarm and reality architect...seriously? lmao. A lot of money went into that guy's foils despite him playing unoptimally. Should've been an easy t2 kraum in game 1 instead of reality architect (a card that does literally nothing) but I guess he doesn't like drawing cards. Game 2 he had an easy t1 rhystic study and literally wheels it away lmao. How long has this guy been playing bluefarm, and how many games has he won against you guys? if I had to guess, legit under 5 times he's won against you guys
pretty easy to see all the "misplays" and "playing unoptimally" from that high horse
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I don't know how high my horse needs to be to see the very obvious and standard bluefarm lines. Maybe a few inches off the ground? but idk man, when I play bluefarm I like to draw cards so maybe he just doesnt like to draw. Having an expensive deck doesn't necessarily mean you're good at the lines
@@jeef16 Walk us through what he did wrong and what "lines" he missed.
Well I see Jeff is back with his masterful game play commentary. I’d like to challenge you to show your games on camera. It very easy to be a critic when you have no skin in the game. Why not do something to better the community instead of just cut folks down
Fuck off with this pretentious shit. Even if they aren't playing what you consider the "optimal" build of the deck you should be able to see you are acting like an ass hole rn.
It still isn't pronounced "choo-lane". The least you could do is try and respect cultures that aren't your own
Spoke with a gentlemen from Ireland when we went to Tier1Con last year. He said that it IS pronounced "choo-lane", and his country/history/heritage is where it derives. The audacity of you commenting something like this in unbelievable.
how long does Joe take to shuffle his deck