Avatar: The Way of TREADING Water | REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- It's basically 'F*ck You, I'm James Cameron!' the motion picture. Make of that what you will.
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Where has RUclips been hiding this guy? He nailed it.
He's been around for a while, kinda surprised you havent come across him.
Welcome to the gang :D
His batwoman reviews had me crying tears of joy with laughter
He is my greatest youtube discovery
@@F1rstWorldNomaD Yeah his vids get kinda hidden. Its sad that whenever people bring up Batwoman review roasts; they bring up AzHeelBabyface, JLongbone (whos pretty obscure herself), Nerdrotic, and others but many do not mention Thorias. That RUclips algorhythm I guess...
He's most famous for his reviews on Batwoman and She-Hulk.
‘He was so busy thinking about whether he could, he didn’t stop to think if he should’
Ian Malcolm.
*"As vast as an ocean, but as deep as a puddle"* is the most appropriate way to describe this movie
You could cut out like a third of it, most of that just being the characters gawking at the scenery, and you'd lose basically nothing
And how do you have a 3 hour movie, a *sequel* , with so many characters but have most of them still feeling like cardboard cutouts
I don't know. To me, I enjoy the ocean much more than the story. Maybe I'm too old to amazed by human emotion than the mighty of nature.
It's even baffling that the creatures that LIVE ON THIS PLANET are so bloody amazed by the planet. Like, Earth has loads of scenery itself, and I'm not dumbstruck by the sight of a squirrel every time I go into the woods ffs.
I haven't seen it but if the Navi are still on Pandora wouldn't they already be used to the scenery and sea life on their own planet? Why would they all be awestruck and wide-eyed by things they've known about and see day in and day out? Cameron's movies are incredible, the guy may be a self absorbed Hollywood douchebag but he never really misses, that said it seems like he mightve been smelling his own farts a bit too much on this one.
@@theredman2783 I wrote my comment before reading urs lol and we pretty much said the exact same thing. Maybe bc it literally makes zero sense🤣
I typed this on the Drinker's review and I'll type it here:
A smarter plot would have been to have the humans team up with a different Na'vi people who hated the main Na'vi from the 1st people, and agree to help the humans get their own patch of land in return for helping them. You could have a reveal that the reason behind this hatred be due to the fact that the main Na'vi that we're used to were in fact once a ruthless warrior people who ruthlessly murdered and forced out those that stood in their way so that they could keep the great tree themselves, only turning pacifistic sometime after.
This could shine a darker light on the concept of the Toruk Makto by revealing that, although a great hero to his own people, the previous ones were in fact ruthless killers and conquerors in their own right who helped their people at the expense of other tribes. While these tribes initially stayed away from them during the 1st movie, the aftermath of the human attack, while unsuccessful, proved to these people that their ancestral enemies were not invulnerable. As such, for the tribes aligning with the humans, they're simply fighting to take back their ancestral home and get revenge for what could possibly be decades or centuries of abuse and cruelty that the Na'vi we're used to have not been held accountable for. . Also, since colonization is a theme in both this movie and the previous one, you could at least have this be a reference to Hernan Cortes, who defeated the Aztec Empire by aligning with smaller tribes who hated the Aztecs, and worked together to overwhelm them.
To make the human villains more interesting, you could establish the human general as being a loving father himself, who wants to ensure that his kids, wife, and other family members can have a new home, and simply views his actions as a cruel but necessary act to ensure their survival. In fact, you could even have it so that the human soldiers have been given a deal that as reward for their services, their families will be the 1st to be taken from Earth to Na'vi home land, adding some motivation for everyone. Maybe even show a gradual friendship between the human soldiers and the other Na'vi, hinting that there may in fact be a chance for peace between the 2 races.
This whole movie and it’s plot is literally “don’t ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product”
Also remember to save the whales
@@andreant862 btw guys look at the pretty visuals. Don’t pay attention to the fact we just reused the same story as the last movie but it’s underwater now, so it’s different!
@@ninjafrog6966 Also reused the same identical scenes, but they are over water now
@@andreant862 different movie guys I swear
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron.
James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron.
Beautiful thing, regardless what we think of him as a person. In an m.c.u. dominated boy office!
🎶 His name is James, James Cameron, The bravest pioneer. No budget too steep, no sea too deep, Who's That? It's him, James Cameron! 🎵
@@Buford_T_Justice1Someone should seriously make This song a thing. I mean appearently Jim Carrey's dance in Sonic 1 was inspired by a fan dressing and dancing as robotnik while filmed!
He does it for fap material for his weird fetishes.
@@Buford_T_Justice1 Then he goes down the sea and fights Randy newman..
What an episode that was :D
Ya Cameron said I'm full of poison and flips off fans on camera. I'll spend my money elsewhere
🤔?
@@erikbihari3625 Your confusion is not rational.
@@donquixote2072 most people don't know it
If you really paid attention to what he was trying to say instead of getting triggered off the face value of the headlining statement then you'd understand it more and not get your estrogen levels all in a bunch about it.
@@snowdolphvov4193Thanks Man, why is it not ok to get mad at someone?
The soul drive (the mind transfer thingy) is totally world-breaking. This means that humans have become technically immortal, they can grow their clones (or avatar bodies) and pop in their meat suit at any time. Not only does this make humans factually unbeatable, but it absolutely removes the need in anti-ageing whale juice. They’d done the “altered carbon stacks”, they srsly can just keep clones on hand to extend life.
God this movie’s worldbuilding is so stupid.
"With all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the nutsack."
Great line, man.
Thorias is like the only guy who can still make me sit through a whole review. It’s Something about how he talks more casually about these movies, it feels like an actual person talking to you about the movie, like your friend or something. These other guys come off pretentious a lot of the time, or go into a degree of detail that I just don’t need
I dont have any problem binging the Drinkers entire playlist, MauLers 12 hour reviews or The Little Platoons overly british snobbery.
But I agree Thorias is up there with them yet dont get the same recognition.
Ive been pitching him as a guest star for FNT and The GG sterams but they get like a billion chats a second so Im always drowned out.
When I finally get my new credit card, Ill make a super chat xD
That way they wont miss it.
I agree Gary (Nerdrotic) can come of as pretentious sometimes, especially if youve never seen him before.
I dont think he necessarily IS being pretentious, its just the way he sound, but I can easily see why someone would think he is.
He talks with alot of conviction and authority but thats cuz he kinda does have that authority.
He is one of the most knowledgable and well read people on the things he talk about.
He knows ALL the lore so well that he can often specify what exact issue the data comes from.
It he reviews something he DOESNT know alot about he is very clear that this is NOT his forte and that he can be wrong.
That doesnt always make him correct ofc, not even on things that ARE his bread and butter... but it does give him that superior and sometimes seemingly pretentious attitude.
The other guys I watch I cant really say that I agree that theyre pretentious.
They may not speak like theyre talking to a friends, but I have never gotten the impression that theyre trying to be someone theyre not.
While they are very sometimes very firm in their beliefs, theyre pretty much all rather humble and geniune guys if you listen to what theyre actually saying.
Ofc I dont know who youre talking about, maybe you mean completely different people tham the ones I watch.
Holy crap, this became a way longer post than I meant it to be xD
Only meant for the first paragraph... then my annoying brain started to speculate.
Sorry about that.
Have a fantastic day ;D
Thorias sounds very pretentious. You just don’t think so cause you agree.
@@agustin1027 maybe you just think so because you disagree. O.o I also never said I agree with everything he says
@@agustin1027 sounds like you're making excuses to use confirmation bias accusation on people here without realizing you have your own confirmation bias that simply doesnt line up with his opinions lol
Rumor is someone at the studio actually did try to talk Cameron into a half hour of looking at fish instead of an hour, and apparently Cameron red-face screamed at him like he'd just run over his dog. There's no recording of it, sadly, but I believe it.
Given what I know about Cameron, I can believe it.
Next movie must be about a desert.Five years after this movie, and the villain's mind is now inside a desert creature. They are trying to save the scorpions that have venom that keep human men with an erection for 3 days.
Nah, its gonna be about the air. All about the hot air.
So if humans can download a mind. Why didn't the company do that with Jake's twin in the first movie. Seems a bit of a plot problem! Someone needs to say to James Cameron no!
Bringing back the old villain is a rookie mistake that shows you couldn't come up with something better and more menacing.
Don't know, it has had instances of working out well iether as good guys, in more prominent roles, or helping against someone worse in the grand scheme of things.
I wouldn’t say it’s quite that straight forward. He brought the villain back, but in a totally different incarnation. So it ultimately felt like the original villain but a brand new villain at the same time. I dug it.
Not really there clearly a big bad
Danganronpa fans disagree with you 😂
@@alexey635able can’t wait for them to wake up on jaberwack island next movie
I agree with you pretty much all the way.
It’s really more of a vanity project that a movie.
Just to flex on what one guy can do with a lot of money.
there are plenty of positives of course. But this movie will fade fast from peoples minds after the shock and awe wears off.
Same with the first.
And love that meeting lol
Why does Cameron get all the credit for the effects? That's like giving Steve jobs all the credit for actually building the Mac. All the thousand people making the actual effects deserve the credit
How about backing up your claims? Like so:m.ruclips.net/video/WrKL432F86Q/видео.html!
That's what credits are for.
Incidentally this happens a lot when talking about movies or TV.
The director gets credit for everything in the public sphere.
That's not even getting into the disrespect writers endure.
@@fictiontheorizer1991So you believe Star Wars for Example was saved in the Edit? Then guess won't gonna mind checking out This:m.ruclips.net/video/olqVGz6mOVE/видео.html!
It’s his effects company…
@@peaceinpresence5538 but he dont make the efeect devs doing that. u praise Adam Silver 4 the NBA games or the players ?
I think Thor: Love and Thunder had more of a 'f*ck you, I'm Taika Waititi' vibe to it than Avatar. Waititi has zero respect for any material besides his own and it shows. Cameron loves Pandora, and will keep you in the theater as long as it takes to make you love it too.
He failed. 3 hours and 12 minutes and i couldn't wait to leave.
@@thebatman4279 That's how I felt about The Batman that "sparkles"
God what a Huge disappointment that Cringefest in Cosplay was.
And I'm a HUGE BATMAN STAN too.
Although I agree this movie DID drag on.
Almost dozed off and kept wondering when it would end.
But I made it thru and was MEH about it.
That new Batman movie I tried watching TWICE and Both times I couldn't stay awake much less interested til the end.
Go figure
Even if it takes 3 hours to do it
@@jorge5275 That's fair enough, I guess it is a polarising film especially when compared to the Nolan ones.
@@thebatman4279 what do you mean by polarizing?
Scenery Porn Describes This Well....Cause Cameron isn't worried about anything else in the film..No need for sequels..
Yeah. They won't look better than this anyway since they were filmed behind each other
OH GOODY AQUA SMURFS........for god's sake
I hope this movie fails. And fails harder than James Cameron is for the ocean. Because he killed the terminator franchise with woke fate. I thought when James Cameron returned we were finally going to get a sequel we deserved. Especially seeing in the trailer Linda Hamilton also was returning. JC screwed us all. Now it's his turn to get screwed.
Well, if you're hoping this movie will fail well... You're probably going to end up madder a couple months from now. 😏
@@iamlegend8571 no I won't. Because even if by some miracle it makes a profit. I'd be apathetic towards it. Remember in James Camerons own words this movie needs to make 2 billion dollars just to break even. Then you add the marketing cost and theaters taking their cut. This movie is set to be the biggest box office disaster. Only time will tell if it will be.
@@patrickmcgavin2245 Yeah, I remember him saying that, and it's been a bit misquoted. He only needs around 800 million or so domestically, and close to 2 billion worldwide. He'll get the domestic I'm confident of that, but we'll see if he can get good returns internationally.
So the movie is a 3 hour Unreal engine tech demo.
Cameron should have trimmed 45 min/hr of scenery for the theatrical release and then make more money on it with an extended cut with all that footage either on home or a theater re-release
he cut a lot of the film it was much longer than the 3+ hours so either way we're likely to get more in an extended cut home release....
He knows how to re release it over and over
*So, is Quaritch like Voldemort now?* I mean, the way it's described how he comes back after being killed in the first movie sounds a lot like he created his own horcrux and transferred a piece of his own soul into it so he could be reborn in another body.
Anyway that's kinda what it sounds like to me.
To me it sounded like some trollfic where he does come back in Avatar form.
no his memory where copy thats all the movies said quaritch didnt come back to life they just uploaded there memory to an avatar that all i dont know what thorias deal is with that part it not that far fetch to believe since jake can transfer his mind into an avatar.
@@sonofglory7029 the fact you say you dont know shows how bad your comprehension is. Thorias was talking about the lack of possible character exploration for this new revised character and how he'd have todeal with the fact he is now a Navi. They just left that on the table like he said. That coulda been a huge character development deep dive exploration; especially with Spider. But nope. They just kept him one note.
Better question, if they could just transfer their brains directly into navi bodies all those years ago, why do they need whale brain juice to make humans immortal?
If James Cameron actually cared about environmental causes surely the billions of dollars spent making these movies could have been better spent on environmental causes. Except Cameron actually doesn't care about the environment, hell how much pollution and emissions were created just to make these over bloated Films.
Why do you need whale juice to be immortal when you can just clone a younger body and copy your brain into it.
Technically, it wouldn't be you. Just a different person with your memories.
@@RadicalW0lf
Same differnece.
Even from your argument you wouldnt know it wasnt you.
Because consciousness is a really fakking weird concept. xD
Do you know for certain that youre the same person you were when you went to bed last night?
Someone COULDVE killed you in your sleep and swapped you for a clone with your memories and you would have no idea.
You would be exactly where you are now, doing the exact same thing, THINKING you are the same person.
To everyone else, you would be.
Is that really any different?
Your memories and personality are what defines you, its WHY you are you and not a bag of redundant proroplasm.
If you removed everything that makes you "you" but you remained in the same body, would you consider that to still be you?
I wouldnt.
Every Cell in your body is replaced over 7 years.
So, if you remaining you hinges on keeping the same body, then no person over age 7 is themselves.
Their entire body is a *literal* clone of the original.
A genetic copy designed and built from their DNA.
By the time youre 70 you would have been 10 different people.
If you MADE a clone and uploaded you mind into it, it wouldnt be a different person, just a different you.
Youd have the same memories, personality, same quirks and tics, even DNA and finger prints would be the same.
You would remember being in your body before the transfer.
How would you or how *could* you even delineate between the two?
I do get your point, youre *technically* not wrong from a physcial perspective.
But its not as simple as that.
@@RadicalW0lf People really finding anything to hate in this movie.
@@F1rstWorldNomaD LOL don't try to play the matrix thing on me, of course i know who i am, whoever doesn't know who he/she is must have a mental disorder. Reproduction of cels doesn't affect your mind, mostly because brain cells are the same since birth to death, some die but no new ones replace them. A clone would have the body but not the same mind, a "copy" would just be a copy, even in the movie is stated that they are two different people.
He made another pretty looking box. It’s empty, though.
It's got nice packaging but the inside is hollow.
@@muigokublack6487 It has an alluring exterior but it is content-less.
THE OCEAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT!
So basically part 2 ends with the same conclusion as 1, we are still fighting, then part 3 look we are still fighting. Riveting!
That dialog with Cameron. Genius. Could not stop laughing.
Betcha Spider will take over Quaritchs avatar body at some point.
Dr. Grace Augustine will wake up.
There will be another ecosystem created. Desert or plains is my guess.
Kiri will somehow become Greta Thunberg.
"How dow you? You've stolen my childhood."
I'm surprised -and disappointed there was never, like, a Netflix animated series tied to this franchise. It would be a great opportunity to flesh out the world, characters, and ideas in ways the movies just can't
would be on D+ but i agree, i think a series would flesh out the world a lot more. i'd be shocked if that isn't on the slate of to-do items
I think the upcoming game could do the same except for the fact that’s it’s being made by Ubisoft so… yea
Ive been wanting a 2d or 3d animated terminator project for some time. Like either an original story or one from the multiple comics.
Yeah the pregnant warrior lady was hilarious. More ridiculous than talking whales who compose music we never hear, and do mathematics on....I assume huge underwater whiteboards...that we never see.
Somehow, Quarritch has returned. XD
Not sure why James think this movie will make billions of dollars. I mean it will make money of how great the visual are but not billion as this film was too late as they should have made a sequel a long time ago, kinda boring as it's drag so long, and for some reason James goes cuckoo recently with insane interviews he made.
People in my audience awkwardly clapped after this movie ended. The credits started rolling and few second later a group of people clapped and I'm thinking to myself, "oh my God, don't clap for that shit. What the hell are you doing?" Seemed like a pity clap just for the special effects because it couldn't have been for the story.
Wasn't much of a story at all
Let people enjoy the movie. It was a great movie with a lot of passion and time put into it. It will be the best looking movie for the next 10 years
@@benjaminrockhill8356 just because someone put a lot of time and effort into something doesn't automatically make it great, and it's not.
@@modernmobster It has a 94% audience score. A 78% on rotten tomatoes. It made 500 million in only 4 days. By all metrics you’re wrong. You can personally not like but don’t pretend like that matters
@@benjaminrockhill8356 how old are you? No one takes rottentomatoes seriously anymore and it's no indication of anything, and by the fucking way, Avatar 2 is underperforming at the box office. Theres been many articles about it.
"What if we took all the worn out tropes... And made them blue!"
So it's pretty. Okay and? You can have all the compelling eye candy you want but without a compelling story to back it up it falls flat and to me makes it no different than an overglorifed tech demo.
This movie should've been called "The Way Of James Camerons' Ego" because that's what this movie is. A three-hour tribute to his ego.
Thank you, Thorias. I have been planning to see this movie because I was curious on how it compared to the first movie. Now, you just helped me save a lot of money for NOT seeing it. Your review is far better than the movie itself anyway.
Oh god Cameron pulled a JJ Abrams with Quarritch LOL
Pregnant warrior woman. The woke never stops with Hollywood. Thank goodness there was so mention of LG-HDTV stuff
Wait, why was Jake Sully even needed in the first movie? We were told they didn't really want him, they wanted his brother but his brother died and so he was the only one that could use his brother's avatar. But wait, it shouldn't matter that his brother died and they shouldn't have needed Jake because they could have just uploaded his brother's conceissnes or memories or whatever into his Avatar just like with Commander Crotchitch in this movie.
don't question it, just consume product, and then get excited for next product
- redlettermedia
Years have passed and technology improved.
You payed more attention that James Cameron did 😂😬
Simple answer they didn’t have his brother ms conscience
Commander Crotchitch, lol!
The Way of water..... It's wet. THE END.
As feared.... Cameron just made something so elaborate yet so empty. A visual feast.....with a self indulgent script and empty story.
I hope in the boys season 4 they make fun of this movie. Maybe a movie trailer of Rising Tide 2, where The Deep saves a bunch of underwater blue ppl from humans lol. Have a hero shot of him surfing a whale.
FYI, You and Critical drinker are my go-to review guys. Just wanted you to know. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
"The NeverEnding Story: Running Time - 94 minutes."
The funniest part is that I'm pretty sure James Cameron stated that he was going to release a 9 HOUR version of the movie because the 3 hour version apparently wasn't long enough
Solid review, as I've come to expect.
6:50 If I were generous enough to forward a guess as to how the talking whales make sense, I would say that you’re exactly right that they don’t. Just because they’re big with proportionally bigger brains doesn’t just result in the brain structures and complex language and social skills that the whales are supposed to have. So let’s suppose they’re not natural, that they’re an intentional hint towards Pandora not being a natural environment.
We even have another in this movie: the sea people. They would need hundreds of thousands of years of living separately from the forest people to have evolved differently, and the fact that they have the same language says that didn’t happen. Ergo, the sea people were engineered, too.
We’re probably meant to point at the plant-root-planetary-neural-net that the Navi call Eywah as the entity responsible for it. If it’s as complex in its structure as the first movie implied, it might just be capable of engineering the entire planet’s ecosystem to its whims (including giving whales intelligence just because).
That might be something a later movie explores: the origin of the Eywah entity. Did it accidentally itself into being or was it engineered too, possibly by a long-lost progenitor race? Did that race kill itself the same way Cameron says the evil humans in these movies are? Are we supposed to be looking at this as a pro-trans-humanism argument (humanity can save itself and the Earth if we just engineer all the bad stuff out)?
This is sounding like Prometheus meets The Matrix meets Dark City. The idea that this is some sort of manufactured or engineered reality, down to the interspecies conflicts, to "troubleshoot" how to save humanity/the planet is certainly more interesting than both these movies.
AVATAR REMINDS ME of when I bought my last TV. Entering a showroom full of technical achievement with ridiculously HQ demonstration videos of flowers and shit, although I guess even they had more character development and plot.
Here's a thought: Focus on the RDA ! Properly depict the Earth as a place that would warrant such a large-scale resource harvesting operation that it is ( which, technically, they did for AV1, but dropped so they could virtue signal at us even harder than the last one ). Bows, arrows, spears and clubs ( while riding animals ) doesn't beat Mechs, automatic weapons, VTOL gunships, and armored gunboats !
What about stargirl season 3?! It was actually good man!
Agreed!!
Stargirl was freaking amazing
Good show. Shame it got canceled probably due to low ratings.
A good c.w. show? That's a first!
I'm hoping she gets more work. Would love to see her as super girl in Gunns universe
I don't get why JC's Avatar gets so much hype. They're practically the new Matrix franchise considering both have an emphasis on visual eye candy (and even then the Matrix is somehow better). You can have the most important "message" for humanity, but if the story and characters do not hold up, your "message" will fall on deaf ears. These films are basically BBC's Planet Earth slapped together with a Captain Planet-esque premise.
Why not write a more powerful and engaging story with memorable characters? Those things will actually magnify the importance of the "message" instead of the other way around. Oh wait, there was a movie that already did this. It's called Wall-E, which funnily enough was ALSO made by Disney (well Pixar to be precise).
I think the problem is actually the opposite of the movie having just 3 hours of filler. If anything, the movie should have been longer to really develop all of these major ideas (and maybe scrap a few of the bad ones, like the whale juice). The main issue I think James Cameron is having is the fact that he is trying to simultaneously develop 5 movies that all have the major plot points, and he is organizing these points across the 5 movies to the point where he is almost marginalizing these ideas and not allowing the story to flow in an organic way. The result is what we got with this movie. Hopefully he can realize the problem and steer the ship in the right direction for the next few movies.
He should have cut things out form this
I agree. Actually, I think he should have made this into a mini series, rather than one really loooong movie.
Are there McMuffins? It's sounds like there's McMuffins.
If the next movie is four bleeding hours long I'm holding you personally responsible
@@theredman2783 There's talk that Cameron wants to make a 9 hour long director's cut.
Dances with Whales.
When HD TV was first available, the only HD content available to me was a cable channel called HDNet. It almost exclusively just had random footage of things like the Grand Canyon shot from a helicopter with a musical score, undersea footage with a musical score and women in bikinis on the beach or playing beach volleyball with a musical score. It was all just "look at how nice HD looks!" with no substance. Avatar = HDNet.
The thought of a recon marine in an avatar body did give him the goosebumps so...
James Cameron as "the deep" doing an octopus 🤣 👏 classic!
Spider = Teenage Tarzan Wondering around on Pandora😂😂😂
Love the reactions! So spot on.
The Skit with Cameron was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for taking it for the Team. We really appreciate it.
Major rule of storytelling murder your darlings
Another solid review! Thank you! My wife will still probably love it because she loves the sea, I figure she is half aquatic but I know not to expect a story. Thank you!!!!
So the take-away is: Watch the movie, skip 3D.
Honestly? All I hear from everywhere else is to watch the 3D and skip the movie. :O
Well, Thorias, now I have seen the movie. And yes, it has made 200 billion so far...but I think your review nailed it.
Your "uhhhhh" at the beginning was so long I'm almost out of phone battery. That says a lot for this movie. I'm watching an elevated Sea World commercial.
Well articulated, my thoughts exactly
4:54 LEVIATHAN
Behemoth? that is earth!
XD
To be fair, Cameron's never been a great writer. All his films have plot problems. I'd say his best emotional film is The Abyss. It's not as manipulative as Titanic's paint by the numbers script. I'd rather Cameron direct other writer's stories. The fact that he wants to do two or three more sequel films shows his ego is probably planet sized. It might have been better as a mini-series though that would be bloated too. I also feel having Homer Simpson thinking about drinking whale juice would have been acceptable.
Great review man
In the first movie I was under the impression that the Avatar bodies were just that.
Avatars, remotely controlled dummy bodies to represent you by proxy...
Now theyre telling me these are fully functional, artifically created, living organisms, piloted by *UPLOADED INTELLIGENCE?*
Why the fakk was the first movie about some stupid metal?
And why is this one about *whale brain goo?*
(The second one would be a question regarless)
Never mind that they essentially cracked the secret of eternal life but why was the first movie not about ALL the highly questionable moral, ethical and philosophical issues that this would entail.
Are Jakes kids even his?
Its not his DNA, It literally CANT be.
The body he pilots must have its own DNA or 1. they wouldnt have kids at all cuz theyre different fakking species and 2. the Kids would most definitely NOT look Navi if you somehow managed to splice Human and Navi DNA togeather.
If these are actual living, *grown* Navi bodies, are we just gonna brush aside that these are ACTUAL Navi people purposely grown *without a mind* to let Human essentially infest and control them?
And thís is the "good guys" doing it.
People, IN REAL LIFE, are bxtching over stem-cell research.
This is that on the most ridiculous steroids imaginable.
What on earth would make anyone would think this was an ok practice?
If theyre not grown but somehow completely artificaily created that would mean mankind had developed *PERFECT biological engineering.*
Literally the ability to *script and implant biological code.*
Can you Imagine the implications of that?
You wouldnt even need a Navi body, you could just engineer the human body to be able to breath on Pandora.
And if you had perfect biological engineering you could do this to already living people.
No climate disaster on planet erarth would be a threat, short of the sun literally exploding, cuz you could just fix it by manually adapting our species to it.
Ozone layer? Who needs it?
Air pollution? pfft, what a joke.
You would never die from injury cuz you could engineer Deadpool like healing abilities.
And even if you didnt, since you can just upload you consciousness into these Avatars, and not need to be connected to your human body like they implied in the first movie, you no longer need Your human body.
And you can just make a new body if yours gets old or damaged, you have now invented eternal life.
Is that even a good thing?
Overpopulation problems?
Accesibility?
Who has the right to this technology and who decides who has the right to it?
Does EVERYONE have the right to *"Life,* Liberty and the persuit of happiness"?
Is playing God ethical?`
Is having and fostering Children under this premise ethical?
Are you even still you if you do this?
Can you upload and AI into an Avatar?
It would give you and infinte army when at war.
If UI is ethical, whats the difference between an AI and an UI?
Youre both literally just electrical impulses in an artifical brain.
Are you even human?
Does AI need rights? Should you be stripped of yours?
Is there such a thing as a soul?
What constitutes it and can an AI have one?
IF theyre just dummy bodies, none of these questions would exist...
But Jake+Waifu gotta have kids so... guess we just do this anyway and ignore the infinite number of issues it causes.
The scope and sheere number of existential and reality altering questions this would raise AND the practical applications it would bring...
You dont think THAT would be bigger news than some lump of rare metal?
One that you most likely wouldnt even need if you had this technology.
My point here is that this is stupid either way.
Either these ARE just dummy bodies and Jake+Waifu having kids is rxtarded, impossible and makes no fakking sense essentially undermining the entire plot of the movie.
Or theyre actual living, fully functional bodies in which case the plot wouldnt even need to happen and is stupid and trivial in comparison to what *should* be infinately more important (and interesting) topics.
If they went with the philosophical plot, it wouldve been seen as derivative from movies and shows like Bladerunner, Ghost in the Shell, Armitage III, Pantheon etc.
But they are all *fakking amazing.*
And its not like what they DID go with wasnt even less original...
So I really dont see an argument justifying the decision.
I think the consensus is: Avatar 2 is a 90-minute movie in a three-hour package.
LOL. The "consensus." Avatar haters still trying to convince themselves that they're the minority. Hilarious!
Great summation! Have not seen the film yet, but have read/watched enough reviews to get the basic story.
I agree that there were some great missed opportunities for character development. The return of Quarrich could have been made much more interesting by the simple expedient of making his resurrection in an avatar body an involuntary one on his part, forced on him by his superiors. Being a good soldier, he would follow orders, but his inner conflict, resentment, and self-hatred could have led to an interesting arc, one that could carry over a couple of installments. This does not mention that his personality and memory upload to the avatar body could have included the moment of his death, which would add an extra layer of trauma to deal with.
An interweaving of his story with that of Spider (supposedly his son), could have even led to a redemption arc of sorts for him.
Whale Juice is TIGHT
if i can upload my mind to a new younger stronger body when i die, it would be called inventing immortality. No human will ever need to die again.
and therefore, no need for whale juice.
Thanks for the review
A question for all the weirdo NPCs defending this movie and calling it a "masterpiece": Do you think you'll still be watching it five years from now? Ten years from now? Will people remember Avatar: The Way of Water 20 years from now? How about TWO years from now? When all a movie has going for it is technology, and technology keeps marching on, how relevant can it be in the future?
An Avatar hater calling someone else an NPC is absolutely precious, considering you losers have been regurgitating the same unfunny, untrue nonsense for 13 years. "Nobody watches it anymore." "Nobody remembers it." Ha! You said all that about the first movie and have been proven completely wrong, yet you're still saying it. Your dedication to stupidity is almost admirable. Almost.
To answer your last inane question: if you think "technology" is the only thing the Avatar series has going for it, then you're even more naive than you let on. What are you - 14? 15? FYI Sparky, movies are a VISUAL medium, and Cameron is an absolute master of visual storytelling. Imagination, cinematography, camera angles, movements, lighting, shadows, music, etc can all be used to create emotion. The technology that makes it all look and feel real is just the icing on the cake. Are you starting to understand, kiddo? Avatar 2 is extremely popular and will continue to crush all your favorites at the box office...until Avatar 3 comes out. You and Thorias are the ones in the sad, angry, lonely minority.
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>An Avatar hater calling someone else an NPC is absolutely precious, considering you losers have been regurgitating the same unfunny, untrue nonsense for 13 years. "Nobody watches it anymore." "Nobody remembers it." Ha! You said all that about the first movie and have been proven completely wrong, yet you're still saying it
How have they been proven wrong? Because people are watching the new one? That's the only reason for its bump in popularity. All the talk around Avatar had completely died down until the new one surfaced.
>if you think "technology" is the only thing the Avatar series has going for it, then you're even more naive than you let on
And then you pretty much go to prove his point by only mentioning technical aspects. No mention of acting or the strength of its story. The story, characters and dialogue are horrendous. It's not quotable, it doesn't have any particularly iconic moments, the characters are forgettable and one dimensional - it's a film that was sold solely on its technological prowess. And because the novelty of the visuals wore off, people swiftly forgot about it because it offers nothing else of value. The same fate will await the new one.
>Avatar 2 is extremely popular and will continue to crush all your favorites at the box office
OK....I really, REALLY don't understand why you're so invested in how much money a film makes. Does Avatar 2 'crushing all our favourites' (whatever they are..?) make our films less better in terms of quality? Or wipe them out of existence? Does it enhance your quality of life if 'your' film beats 'my' film? Will it increase your penis size? Why are you treating films like they're a sport in a me vs you type mentality? Will you be getting any of the money the film makes? Are you James Cameron?? Is the amount of money a film makes an indication of its quality? Is it therefore true that Transformers and the Twilight franchise are world-beating masterpieces and Fight Club and Shawshank Redemption are absolute garbage? Please try and answer as many of these questions as you can (If you can).
P.S Zero competition, inflated 3D ticket prices and released during the highly lucrative xmas season. Of course it was bound to make money.
>You and Thorias are the ones in the sad, angry, lonely minority.
The irony going on here is delicious. Let me recite a few phrases back to you, the supposed 'non-angry' person:
'An Avatar hater...'
'you losers...'
'Your dedication to stupidity is almost admirable.'
'To answer your last inane question..'
'you're even more naive than you let on'
'What are you - 14? 15?'
'FYI Sparky..'
'Are you starting to understand, kiddo?'
'You and Thorias are the ones in the sad, angry, lonely minority.'
The levels of passive aggression and outright aggression you're displaying are astonishing. It might be worth seeking out therapy if you're getting that irate and angry over somebody disliking a film you like. I doubt even James Cameron himself would go to such laughable extremes to defend his own film. Extremely bizarre.
@@thebatman4279 So TL;DR on this post: you're a lonely Avatar-hating loser. Gotcha.
@@SonofGigan1 Aw poor baby couldn't come up with an intelligent response. Sad, but entirely expected.
I liked the original free willy 2 more myself
Avatar 2: Free Willy in Space
Excellent analysis 👏🏻 👍
16:30 there's also a callback to Aliens when the youngest Sully gets sucked down the watetshaft and "not Sigourney Weaver" fails to hold on to her and Natiri has to go deeper into the ship to rescue her.
oh how i have longed for this review!
I have a friend at work nagging about this movie for weeks before he finally got to see it at the movies. When i asked him what the movie was about the day after, he couldnt tell XD
Your discussion with Cameron was very Deep.
Thank you for the review, Thorias. I never had any plans to see it, but it's good to see actual criticism from someone. I've seen a lot of people who are negative about the film only because of Disney or James Cameron and I think that's drifting dangerously close to how the left acts. We should judge things on their merits, or lack thereof, instead of rejecting things because it was made by the wrong team like they do. If we want to believe we're on the right side, we should act like it and not sink to their level. Otherwise we've just got two bad sides desperately claiming their the good one.
14:55 it IS weird. Sigourney is past her 70s and her voice doesn’t fit the character at all. The moment she opened her mouth my sister looked at me and went wtf
Awesome review
Agree with you about Quaritch 10:17... another thing is the tattoos on the recoms... they awake with tattoos already on them...? Their bodies?
i mean the girl recom literally has a sleeve... Quaritch the eagle on his arm... i thought they were going to awake, gear up, and we were going to get this bad ass scene of the military avatars getting tattooed in some makeshift parlor in the vicinity of Bridgehead when they arrive... that would of been cool but I guess Cameron didn' t have the time..
Didn't you know, the humans don't matter.
Cameron as The Deep fing a octopus LOL you killed me 😂😂
This movie seems more like cameron stroking his ego while everyone else does all the work which is ironic considering cameron thinks testosterone is toxic
23:00
Look, he maybe loves the ocean a lot.
It's maybe like you know, someone who loves to surf, or someone who just can't get enough of alpine trekking and breathing that mountain air. Or someone who just loves space and everything that comes with it.
I can completely understand why someone would LOVE the ocean as Cameron does.
Great video as always, Thorias! I had to chuckle at your "huh, what?" moment. This movie is definitely too overblown for my ADHD-addled mind...
Could watch it later on video and not all at once.
You should do these ssgmented reviews more often. Have done This beforehand anyway?
Couldn't care less about this franchise
Brilliantly well balanced & decently long new film review, of Avatar 2. Thorias. very funny in places too. have a merry christmas & a good new year. :)
I enjoyed it, but maybe if it was longer the subplots could breathe more. Maybe as a TV show.
They can make hybrid bodies to upload into but not human ones? Ok.
Avatar 1 : Was "Dances with wolves" filmed with Thundercat toys.......I am not watching "Dances with Smurfs 2"
Actually saw this earlier this evening (Tuesday). I chose to see it because there are very few "spectacles" being made my studios these days. I only saw the first film one time in the theater. Never desired to see it again. The same is with this film. I actually think it is better than the first all-around.
The true focus was on the children of the two main families. The two daughters were a lot of fun. The brothers were annoying. This is one of those movies that demands total suspension of disbelief all across the board. That's fine; that's why I chose to see it.
The visuals are amazing and immersive. I didn't see it in IMAX or Dolby Cinema; perhaps I may take a shot at that to see if I like it more.
On its own merit, I give it a soft 7. A good popcorn movie that requires a few trips to the rest room.
Happy Holidays to you and yours, Thorias.
We all know the ocean makes you harder than a rock had me laughing my ass off
Always remember, " The sea is always right !" 🤔
I still haven’t figured out if I’m interested in seeing this. It’s not an automatic yes. I realized the other day I just don’t care about any of the characters at all. Not an iota of interest in any of them. I don’t even really care about pandora at all. If Disney wasn’t going to profit I would be more likely to go. Guess it lacks testosterone