Except You receive a year free with purchase, and the price per month is tiny when weighed against premium software that runs between $300 and $3000, and will be outdated every few years. Many people even choose to use the Shapeoko free software with their X-Carves. Also, if you prefer, you can use any cad/cam software. If your preferred software isn't compatible out of the box, if it can generate gcode, you're good to go. The other 'downside' to easel he listed of it *always* needing to be connected to the internet, that's false as well. You need to be connected to put your design together, but that can be done at any computer. When I work with my CNC, I do the design from my very powerful PC or laptop from inside my house or in my climate controlled modeling workshop, then all I have to do is connect the PC that pushes to the CNC must connect to the internet just long enough to load the Easel project page. His demonstration of it running slowly is 100% the underpowered tablet PC he's using. It works, but not well. I have the same 'problem' because I wanted the absolute cheapest PC that I wouldn't feel guilty about leaving out in the barn, constantly connected to the CNC. If you shop doesn't have dedicated internet, you have two options. If you have a mobile hotspot, or can tether your phone, that's the best option (assuming your shop has cell signal) The other option is bring the PC that is pushing the code to the CNC in doors to load the project page. If either or both of these are inconvenient, you aren't forced to use Easel unless you're too technically un-savvy to learn how to use anything above the most basic beginner's software.
@@neobaggins3718 but at the end... it has to connect to the internet, that is the reason I will not buy this machine ... the same is for the Glowforge, great laser engraver but needs internet to work
The internet being needed was the big reason why I bought my shapeoko. Also as a former tool and die maker where I ran many different milling machines to make parts that were within .0001 inch of print dimensions due to being tooling and fixtures to make production parts, I know the flex in the x carve is your enemy. You will always be chasing variance and will have a more difficult time holding dimensions especially harder materials like metal. One update to shapeoko I just bought their new router controller to turn the spindle on and off automatically using the program. Along with their bit setter for tool changes so I can run multiple tools in one program. No more making multiple programs and loading and all the time wasted. Now it'll prompt me to change the tool, I change it to the next tool it automatically finds the tool length and adjusts the zero in z height and goes to cutting with the next tool.
@sillygoose goose that is you, but where I want to use it, internet is expensive, very expensive, do you see now why I will not buy it, if I am in the US, then I will buy it......
My wife ordered me the Shapeoko XXL last night so this series has been amazing to me. Looks like I need to find a corner in my shop for it and build a table with a drawer for the bits and run my dust collection over to it. Ugh!! But can't wait to get started and so glad I decided on the Shapeoko!!
Myers Woodshop : Do you now prefer the OnefinityCNC better than both? It seems to be very well build and so easy to assemble and disassemble, how’s the software on the OneFinity?
The big plus for me on the x carve is the pause and play button. The emergency stop feature is easy to add to any piece of equipment. The Shapoeko’s beefy build is much more appealing to me. I’ll be looking into getting one of these in a few months when my workshop is finished.
thank you for this amazing video I'm in the market for a cnc router and this video really help me on deciding which machine to get SHAPEOKO it is and like Chris S 1 said "as soon as you pointed out PRO, you sold me on Shapeoko" thank you so much.
Liberty Graphic Designs I have the xxl and love I. I’m about to do some aluminum with it. Hope my bits hold up. I’m running with a 1/16 inch bit so I’m a little worried but the machine is great
I've been looking at CNC routers for my next shop toy, and had decided on the Shapeoko over the Xcarve because of the rigidity advantage. Watching this video has reinforced this decision. Locking basic features behind paywalls and requiring access to the internet to use it's primary software would both be deal breakers. Thanks for the informative video.
I have an X-Carve and I put the Y belt adjustment screws in the back. Even if I had put them in the front, though, they wouldn't be a problem for me. My 1000m X-Carve sits on a custom-made table with a desk space in front of the machine for my keyboard and mouse. It keeps me from running into the machine itself. I also put a couple of supports on the side rails. With this simple add-on, flexing of the rails is not a problem. The X-Carve is much more suited to making modifications than the Shapoko. I have the same revulsion for using web-based software. But you can use lots of free software from other sources with an X-Carve. I wrote my own program and it works really well for people who want to define the tool paths. Also, The X-Carve and Shapoko have the same design flaw in that they both use two motors for the Y Axis. I modified my X-Carve so it only needs one motor for each of the axes. This mod also keeps my machine square when moving the gantry by hand and it gave the gantry an extra 60mm of clearance. I couldn't have done that mod on the Shapoko. Glad I got an X-Carve instead.
Since I put this video out I have now changed over to the Onefinity CNC machine. It's advantages over the xcarve and shapeoko are: X Y Z Ballscrews 15 minute installation No computer required Control with phone, tablet, or gamepad Faster cutting speeds More rigidity Check out the Onefinity CNC Machine Here: www.onefinitycnc.com
I was with you up to the cutting demonstration.. That was a total waste of time. The music while cutting could have been a lot lower and a lot slower. It's obvious that you're a shapeoco fan and so am I. Thanks for taking the time to produce the video is very informative.
@@fredpinczuk7352 Yeah, this was in no way a fair test. He's either misinformed, or deliberately favoring the Shapeoko. First off, the 'flex test' in the frame was like testing the offroad suspension on a Ferarri vs a Lamborghini. Neither will be subjected to those forces. There's something to be said for being overbuilt, but there's also something to be said for something to be built sturdily, but cost effectively and favoring being light weight. It's personal preference in a large part. As for the limit switches, I have no great knowledge of limit switches, but the switches on the X-Carve are adjustable so you can align your limit with markings or clamping points if you have a highly repeated job, for example. This might be the case for the ones on the Shapeoko as well, but I'm doubtful they're any more sturdy. If anything, the ones on the X-Carve are easier to replace. The fact that he bent it trying to figure out how to wire it doesn't bode well for his technical understanding of machinery. As far as the free software that comes with both products, every X-Carve comes with a year free of Easel Pro, but it's by no means the only option. You can use Fusion (which also requires an internet connection periodically, but apparently that's a huuuge dealbreaker. I just tether my cellphone for the 30 seconds it takes me to load the webpage. You don't need to be connected the whole time. If you have the Easel page loaded with your project, it has all the data needed for the cut. Finally, moving on to the ludicrous 'side by side' First, both machines are running the same cutting head (off the shelf DeWalt router) so it's either incompetence, or bias that caused him to give the X-Carve a larger object to cut, as well as changing the cut feed speed so it moves slower. Unless one of the woods he used was Walnut and the other was Poplar, there was no reason to have different cut speeds. Both machines are operating well within their limits at the maximum viable cut speeds for a given material, so a side by side cut literally proves nothing to anyone, but I suppose it might convince someone with more money than sense to buy one machine simply because they don't know better.
Neo Baggins On the other hand, the XXL is $180 less than the x-carve. So, why wouldn’t one pick the sturdier and cheaper model? I do agree that the cutting test was bogus. These two machines can cut at the same speed with the same spindle and tool.
Carsten Langrock it really isn’t cheaper to go with the shapeoko because you have to buy the dewalt spindle then. Where as with the x-carve it comes with it along with the z probe kit as well.
I LIKE THE OBJECTIVE APPROACH TO THIS COMPARISON. NOT MUCH BIAS EITHER WAY. POINTS OUT PROS AND CONS OF BOTH MACHINES AND THE SOFTWARE. REALLY LIKED THE VIDEO.
Correction ----- YOU CAN RUN an X-carve without the net. To do it you must download a program called "universal Gcode sender"" also known as UGS. It DOES NOT have the g-code creator that exists in the X-carve easel program. I highly recommend Vetrics V-carve desktop for both. Its around $350 but well worth it. It can generate g-code for almost any CNC in existence. My CNC is a total home brew running Mach 3. The zeroing procedure here is specifficly for the 2 in question but its basically the same with all of them.
You can run with g code sender without internet...but you certainly cannot create in easel without it! Your right, aspire and aspire v-carve is the way to go in the long run...but if you just dropped 1300 + on the machine, alot might not want/be able to drop 300+ more on software.
I've never had my xcarve online. After a short test drive with easel, I decided not to even bother with the electronics and stick with the software stack I already use. I built my xcarve with a GeckoDrive 540 hooked up to a PC running LinuxCNC. Remember with open source designs some folks will highly customize their machine.
This video is what sold me on the Shapeoko, and I have been having lots of fun learning how to use it and making some really cool projects! Thanks for the highly informative video! Keep up the awesome work!
YOu just sold me a Shapeoko. I was going to buy the X-Carve. I currently run a Roland MDX40a which is super nice but small, and expensive. The Shapeoko seems more in line with the quality of the Roland. The fact that it's G-code means that I can run it directly from Rhino for full 3d milling thanks for these videos
I stumbled upon this which is a very good video and I appreciate the time you spent comparing the two CNC. I'm not sure if you will be reading this comment since it is a relatively old video but in case you do, here are a few comments. I did not check the other 2 videos so you may have addressed some of this. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have a Shapeoko. First, when you make the side by side comparison of the physical, you show both to see the difference but when you compare Easel, you do not show Carbide Create/Carbide Motion. Easel has many faults, I agree with you but it has some advantages over Carbide Create too. Second, you show the two machines side by side making a square, the Shapeoko finishes first but it looks like the Shapeoko square is smaller (it may be the video) You do not mention if the feeds and speeds are the same. As you know that a smaller square at the same feeds and speeds should be very close. Maybe the point you want to make is that the XCarve cannot be operated at the same F&S but you did not mention this. A point of comparison is the accuracy of both, something that you could have done by measuring the cuts with the design size. Finally, a comparison of the ability to cut harder materials like aluminum would also have shown the difference between the two.
I may never understand commenters on the internet. So many have chimed in to point out that the side-by-side comparison wasn't fair because the X-carve was cutting a larger bit than the Shapeoko. Really? The video explains that! When the man says that the two machines were cutting different sized squares and that the Shapeoko was using a larger bit, why bother pointing it out -- again -- in the comments? He didn't have two bits of the same size, so he couldn't run an apples to apples comparison. He then noted that the feed and speeds weren't the same, because he was using the default speeds, which Carbide Create sets higher than does Easel. He speculated that the difference in the default speed rates may have to do with the fact the Shapeoko is a more rigid machine and might be able to handle the faster speeds. All that was in the video.
It appears that not only do you cut different size squares, but that you run the machines at different feed rates. This creates a large perceived difference in the capabilities of the machines. If that is the case it might be worth adding that disclaimer as well so that people don't misinterpret the results.
I did. I realized i didn't have two of the same sized bits. It still holds true, running both at recommended feeds and speeds with their respective software. With the Shapeoko's more rigidity, it can run faster with less chatter.
The feed rate is only based off of what the program recommends. He didn't amp up the speed on the Shapeoko, he put the material in the program, and it sets its own speed. It clearly out-performs the x-carve. And he also added the disclaimer about the different sized bit.
The thing I haven't found yet is a video of anyone comparing cutting speed and quality on the two side by side.... using the same bits, materials, and feeds/speeds. I'd be interested to see if cut quality decreases if you push the x-carve to the limits. Obviously the shapeoko has more rigidity, but I'm curious if this is 'overkill' and if the small bits used in a trim router can even take advantage of it (theres a practical limit to how fast any bit can cut). If you still have both routers I think this would be a big opportunity to make a 4th video.
Ryan Wenner, I would agree that he did make known at the end of the video the bit & square size differences but the taught was already in your head that it's way slower plus he even said it was 2x as slow. I was looking for a true comparison myself.
You wasted your money. The xcarve is 10 year old inferior product. Just wait until you have to put it together and it literally takes 5 days to do it. Not to mention their fb group where most people recommend not buying one....that says a lot. Still time to cancel and buy a www.OnefinityCnc.com
@@MyersWoodshop I’m pretty advanced at putting stuff like this together, but either way for the price of $1600 flat, the 1000mm size beats all the others for the pricing
I built a custom build for $3k with real Hiwin's, ballscrews and decent drivers 70v psu. I can cut at 10m/min with no issues, 4ft*3ft. Go to your local scrap yard and look for aluminum extrusion, worked for me.
@@MyersWoodshop In the end it's what works for you. ;) Luckily I found someone to machine my plates for free this would have been a killer cost. He still hates me for that lol, 4mm holes in 20mm plate is less than fun.
Extremely helpful video ! As for a CNC updrade, I'd very likely go for a Shapeoko. Yet, for software, I'd probaby stay with Fusion 360 for most things.
I made a plastic BOX TYPE COVER FOR IT, and it works perfectly as well as a vacuum to collect the dust. But the cover at least gives it some breathe time
I cut aluminum on my xcarve with a 1/4" 4 flute. Both machines are good. Just do your cam in Fusion 360 and export the g-code in easel. Speeds and feeds for aluminum takes time but wood is no problem at all with the xcarve.
This has been a great video I have watched it over and over just trying to learn as much as I could before I made the investment. I did get the shapeoko was not disappointed but I did make my own kill switch for the router and a second one for the machine this way I can add a dust collection system and not make it to complicated. Please keep up the great work look forward to seeing what's new coming out of your shop.
Did anyone notice the x-carve was cutting a square twice the size, but yes it was slower most likely due to the flex and speed pre set within the program and maybe the internet speed / connection may play a factor too. That's one thing I didn't know that the x-carve needs an internet connection, As I for one would prefer a machine that's able to work stand alone. But I have generated gcode with easel and ran it on mach3 which was driving a homemade cnc worked just fine
Great job on these videos! I am new to CNC and this helped me to decide which machine to buy. Shapeoko is my choice as well. I like the test you did on flex, because many other videos I have watched discussed flex as a problem with accuracy. The Shapeoko even looks beefier (if that's a word). Thanks for the comparison and great videos!
I own neither machine, but that test is a little deceiving as the flex would only be important if it was the router\machine causing the flex. When will the machine need to carry the weight of a man\more weight on it's rails? It won't. Hence why it is designed for the job intended, carrying the router with precision, which it is more than adequate to do. I know you are also thinking about forces applied when routing causing flex, but the machines are designed and intended to mainly cut wood, foam and acrylics. You could cut aluminium but that is NOT the main design purpose. For these processes the machines are adequately strong enough. It is when people expect more from a smaller machine that things get problematic.
Great video!!! Thank you so much. I also had A LOT of fun with the CC on the video lol. Every time you said shepoko it will translate it to shape-hooker or shape-cocoa.
To be honest both programs play it safe on feeds and speeds. you can normally find a chart for the bit you are using to calculate your feeds and speeds on the manufacturer's site
On the Shapoko you can just buy a longer screw for the belt tensioners and choke up on the belt. Throw a nylon lock nut on either side of the longer screw and you're good to go.
You can wire a "big red oh crap button" on the shapeoko as well. It's a normally closed switch that you can order just about anywhere. You just have to cut the power cable open and break the 120v wire with the contact. I'm an automation engineer. I cant help it.
The side by side running of the machines was way more deceiving than you mention. The bit size is a HUGE difference and you can turn the speed up in easel. I did really enjoy the video quality and getting to see the machines side by side.
Nice video......maybe someday. But for right now I don't have the money for either the X-carve or the shapeoko, so I'm learning this stuff on my el-cheapo chinese 6040 cnc router. In fact doing my first cut generated by carbide create as I type this.
Thanks for the video - would have been good to show what the carbide create software looks like since you spent a long time on X-carves software. Also would have been good to use a pre-made SVG file that was exact on both to cut so you have an exact comparison (and invest in a duplicate bit so you have both with the same bits - apples to apples). That being said, this was enough for me to want to go with the Shapeoko.
Nice of you to make this video, you say you are a beginner, you make it like a comparison between the 2 but use different measures (sizes, feed rates, bits, not comparing the end result .. etc.), and your express an opinion that can influence others. I think this shouldn`t be online.
I had considered X-Carve before this video. Thank you for pointing out the "Pro". There's nothing "Pro" about having to have internet to run your job or having to pay for a V-bit. The "Pro" moniker should be renamed to "WTF"
Thank you! Such great info. I was on the fence about x-carve. Now you’ve helped me confirm I need Shapeoko or seo thing better for the money. Question: what’s the z-axis range on Shapeoko compared to X-Carve? Thanks again!
Thanks for the video. This helped me get to the choice I wanted to make. But, hey! Do a TRUE comparison test. :-p You can't have 2x the speed with half the cut amount verses the other one with half the speed and 2x the amount to cut as a test. That's just not fair, even if you're not an expert.
This comment exactly which i want to see.I think shapeoko pay more.And sad point is read the comments..people believe this.they cant see details which you see.
Some observations: - The force needed to move a router on a plane has a measurable value, and CNC rails must provide a force no lesser than that. Anything more than that is unnecessary. - The cutting speed of a CNC depends of the stepper motors and the specification of the bit for the material being worked on. But, in the G-Code instructions you decide the actual speed of the cut, taking in consideration the dept of the cut, material, etc. - The CNCs presented use a GRBL interface. In my case I have modified my machine to be autonomous and WIFI capable, so I do not need INTERNET, nor to be directly connected to it via USB. That is a modification available for both CNCs. Conclusion: This comparison does not provide any real value to chose for one over the other.
Jose Mitjavila My experience is that the stiffness of the system affects the quality of the cut. Resonance also has an effect. These are both improved with a stronger build. This review was ok, but maybe not as professional as I might want.
@@josemitjavila I agree. A body weight test is not very useful. This review would have been better if it included discussion about the accuracy of cuts, and machining artifacts. And I'd like to have seen a chart with his findings about software features and prices.
Very good comparison. Thank you for taking the time with this series. Many people have been waiting for a video like this. Now you should sell them both, add a bit extra and get a real cnc router with ball screws, profiled linear rail and a proper software controlled spindle. Seeing the belt system and the wheels running on the extrusion just gives me visions of having to launch it out the window hulk style.
Ha Ha, I had to ask forgiveness from the wife for this purchase...I'm stuck at this level for a while, which is just fine to me, I have yet to run into anything I can't cut!
Ollie S The problem with getting a “real” CNC for many hobbyists is that they require water-cooling and many are 220V-only. That’s a real blocker (is for me too). Here’s the thing: for what most of us use them for it’s just not necessary.
i used easel to practice with some small images using one of those self build dvd cnc stepper toys,and the web only thing is a pain,the only work around is to just save the file you want,which is what most cad systems will do,then you need a cam setup like universal g-code sender.don't like belts and unsupported rails,the bearings and vee wheels look ok for replacing opposed to the rod rail/bearings that can wear over time but are more expensive to replace,pros and cons,i'm making my own using all the best bits to suit me,than suiting someone elses pocket book profit margin.yeah for arduino and open source build.
Great comparison video! I bought the X-Carve during the Black Friday sale last year and have really enjoyed it. I can definitely see where the Shapeoko would be a more robust machine.
@@MyersWoodshop no, I was thinking you could just cut an air filter and attach it to the outside of the fan cover. A hepa filter would be better, but I don't know if it would allow enough air flow.
@11:19 There is _NO_ hardware limitation that prevents you from using the X-Carve without the I-Net! Only the Software which is the CNC equivalent to MS Paint which should be dropped on sight and replaced with a CAD/CAM Software like Fusion 360 and CNC Software like Universal G-Code Sender ( or whatever you're comfortable with ). No one in their right mind should use either Easel or Carbide Create! Not even as a starting point!
Thank you! This was just one of the gripes I had with this video. It's disheartening to see all the 'you convinced me' 'the X-Carve is clearly crap' comments. Easel is perfectly fine if you're not technical and are wanting to do basic projects, and it's even compatible with other programs. For example, I use it if I'm just using the X-Carve as a CNC bandsaw/drill press (for lack of a better name) where it's just cutting outlines and holes for me. I can export sketches from Fusion to SVGs and open those in Easel. I don't plan on buying a subscription when my free year expires. I'd rather get some of Vectric's software, which costs about the same as a 2 year sub to Easel. If you aren't technical, or are doing the same relatively simple cuts over and over Easel would be perfect for you if you don't want to have to learn something more complex, so I feel it's worth the price in those cases.
That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think? Easel and Create are actually really nice especially for beginners. That’s like saying that TinkerCAD is garbage and one should model everything in Fusion. The learning curve for Fusion is too steep for the casual user. I do agree that serious design work requires Fusion or Solidworks, but Joe Schmoe can do really cool things with simpler tools. For most people 2.5D modeling work is plenty.
when you put weight on the side rails, "inventables" Right in the middle of the rail, BYT on the Shapoko you put your weight on the left side off center, anyone else see this ?
Do you think it would cut completely through a 3 inch slab of hardwood? I have been wanting to build my own guitar and have been looking for an affordable machine that I would accomplish the task.
you could if you could find a bit long enough to reach that deep. you could always cut down as far as the machine could reach, cut the rest of the basic shape with the bandsaw, then finish off at the router table with a flush cut bit.
It would be faster to cut the pockets for the neck, pickups, and electronics on the CNC and then make a template for the profile and use a bandsaw to cut it.
I was about to buy the X-Carve until I saw that deflection, Jesus H.W. Christ that should be unacceptable for any kind of tool let alone a precision CNC machine...
Just want to point out that at around 1155 you say the "free software" (Easel) its not free. It adds about $180 to your cart if you do not take it off the order. Or you can purchase it for $20 a month.
I know this is an old video but I searched the comments and didn't see where this had been asked. Why are the two machines running in opposite directions (conventional vice climb) ?
10:00 the rigidity should take the transmission into account before anything else... If the belt stretches when side force is applied the frame rigidity becomes irrelevant. not mention they have 1NM steppers running the pulleys which again makes absolutely no sense... A 0.3nM stepper will do the same job since the RPM never exceeds 300. And belts skip teeth before any steps are lost. Rails seem good enough but they should have used screws for transmission on all axis
definitly the dust boot and the touch probe: www.matterhackers.com/store/l/carbide-3d-shapeoko-touch-probe/sk/MHLSR7D0?aff=7502 www.matterhackers.com/store/l/suckit-pro-dust-boot-for-shapeoko/sk/M18S7RSD?aff=7502
As soon as you started pointing out "Pro" features, you sold me on Shapeoko.
Except You receive a year free with purchase, and the price per month is tiny when weighed against premium software that runs between $300 and $3000, and will be outdated every few years. Many people even choose to use the Shapeoko free software with their X-Carves. Also, if you prefer, you can use any cad/cam software. If your preferred software isn't compatible out of the box, if it can generate gcode, you're good to go. The other 'downside' to easel he listed of it *always* needing to be connected to the internet, that's false as well. You need to be connected to put your design together, but that can be done at any computer. When I work with my CNC, I do the design from my very powerful PC or laptop from inside my house or in my climate controlled modeling workshop, then all I have to do is connect the PC that pushes to the CNC must connect to the internet just long enough to load the Easel project page. His demonstration of it running slowly is 100% the underpowered tablet PC he's using. It works, but not well. I have the same 'problem' because I wanted the absolute cheapest PC that I wouldn't feel guilty about leaving out in the barn, constantly connected to the CNC. If you shop doesn't have dedicated internet, you have two options. If you have a mobile hotspot, or can tether your phone, that's the best option (assuming your shop has cell signal) The other option is bring the PC that is pushing the code to the CNC in doors to load the project page. If either or both of these are inconvenient, you aren't forced to use Easel unless you're too technically un-savvy to learn how to use anything above the most basic beginner's software.
@@neobaggins3718 but at the end... it has to connect to the internet, that is the reason I will not buy this machine ... the same is for the Glowforge, great laser engraver but needs internet to work
The internet being needed was the big reason why I bought my shapeoko. Also as a former tool and die maker where I ran many different milling machines to make parts that were within .0001 inch of print dimensions due to being tooling and fixtures to make production parts, I know the flex in the x carve is your enemy. You will always be chasing variance and will have a more difficult time holding dimensions especially harder materials like metal.
One update to shapeoko I just bought their new router controller to turn the spindle on and off automatically using the program. Along with their bit setter for tool changes so I can run multiple tools in one program. No more making multiple programs and loading and all the time wasted. Now it'll prompt me to change the tool, I change it to the next tool it automatically finds the tool length and adjusts the zero in z height and goes to cutting with the next tool.
@sillygoose goose that is you, but where I want to use it, internet is expensive, very expensive, do you see now why I will not buy it, if I am in the US, then I will buy it......
My wife ordered me the Shapeoko XXL last night so this series has been amazing to me. Looks like I need to find a corner in my shop for it and build a table with a drawer for the bits and run my dust collection over to it. Ugh!! But can't wait to get started and so glad I decided on the Shapeoko!!
now thats a great wife!
You are the best reviewer on YT! You’re honest and not trying to sell one of the other. You’ve earned a sub today. Thank you
Thanks Moha! Glad it helped!
Myers Woodshop : Do you now prefer the OnefinityCNC better than both? It seems to be very well build and so easy to assemble and disassemble, how’s the software on the OneFinity?
Excellent review! You actually changed my mind, I was going to buy an X-Carve, now going to the Shapeoko.
I’m glad it helped you!
The big plus for me on the x carve is the pause and play button. The emergency stop feature is easy to add to any piece of equipment. The Shapoeko’s beefy build is much more appealing to me. I’ll be looking into getting one of these in a few months when my workshop is finished.
Great comparison videos. I'm looking to buy my first CNC and was almost ready to go with the X carve. Now I'm not so sure. Thanks!
thank you for this amazing video I'm in the market for a cnc router and this video really help me on deciding which machine to get SHAPEOKO it is and like Chris S 1 said "as soon as you pointed out PRO, you sold me on Shapeoko" thank you so much.
Liberty Graphic Designs I have the xxl and love I. I’m about to do some aluminum with it. Hope my bits hold up. I’m running with a 1/16 inch bit so I’m a little worried but the machine is great
I got the x carve and wish I'd gotten the shapeoko, but new machine is the QueenBee pro 1515. Beast
Thanks for doing this comparison. I was already leaning towards the Shapeoko but after watching your video it is a no brainer to go with them.
Great! now check out www.onefinitycnc.com because that's what I changed out from shapeoko to currently!
I've been looking at CNC routers for my next shop toy, and had decided on the Shapeoko over the Xcarve because of the rigidity advantage. Watching this video has reinforced this decision. Locking basic features behind paywalls and requiring access to the internet to use it's primary software would both be deal breakers. Thanks for the informative video.
I'm glad I could help you. Yeah, I'm not huge fan of cloud based software, especially when it's in the shop.
Huge help in making my decision. Shapeoko 4xxl just shipped this morning. Thank you!
Why did you buy the Shapeoko and not the far superior Onefinity for the same cost I mention in my newer videos? (this is two years old)
@@MyersWoodshop Because I haven't committed to going through your entire video library.
I have an X-Carve and I put the Y belt adjustment screws in the back. Even if I had put them in the front, though, they wouldn't be a problem for me. My 1000m X-Carve sits on a custom-made table with a desk space in front of the machine for my keyboard and mouse. It keeps me from running into the machine itself. I also put a couple of supports on the side rails. With this simple add-on, flexing of the rails is not a problem. The X-Carve is much more suited to making modifications than the Shapoko. I have the same revulsion for using web-based software. But you can use lots of free software from other sources with an X-Carve. I wrote my own program and it works really well for people who want to define the tool paths. Also, The X-Carve and Shapoko have the same design flaw in that they both use two motors for the Y Axis. I modified my X-Carve so it only needs one motor for each of the axes. This mod also keeps my machine square when moving the gantry by hand and it gave the gantry an extra 60mm of clearance. I couldn't have done that mod on the Shapoko. Glad I got an X-Carve instead.
you think the xcarve is a better machine?
Since I put this video out I have now changed over to the Onefinity CNC machine.
It's advantages over the xcarve and shapeoko are:
X Y Z Ballscrews
15 minute installation
No computer required
Control with phone, tablet, or gamepad
Faster cutting speeds
More rigidity
Check out the Onefinity CNC Machine Here:
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When does it come out???
I was with you up to the cutting demonstration.. That was a total waste of time. The music while cutting could have been a lot lower and a lot slower. It's obvious that you're a shapeoco fan and so am I. Thanks for taking the time to produce the video is very informative.
27:00 when actual side by side cutting takes place you're welcome
But the piece size being cut are different..
I want my time back... All that and you don't do an even test.... grrrr
@@fredpinczuk7352 Yeah, this was in no way a fair test. He's either misinformed, or deliberately favoring the Shapeoko. First off, the 'flex test' in the frame was like testing the offroad suspension on a Ferarri vs a Lamborghini. Neither will be subjected to those forces. There's something to be said for being overbuilt, but there's also something to be said for something to be built sturdily, but cost effectively and favoring being light weight. It's personal preference in a large part.
As for the limit switches, I have no great knowledge of limit switches, but the switches on the X-Carve are adjustable so you can align your limit with markings or clamping points if you have a highly repeated job, for example. This might be the case for the ones on the Shapeoko as well, but I'm doubtful they're any more sturdy. If anything, the ones on the X-Carve are easier to replace. The fact that he bent it trying to figure out how to wire it doesn't bode well for his technical understanding of machinery.
As far as the free software that comes with both products, every X-Carve comes with a year free of Easel Pro, but it's by no means the only option. You can use Fusion (which also requires an internet connection periodically, but apparently that's a huuuge dealbreaker. I just tether my cellphone for the 30 seconds it takes me to load the webpage. You don't need to be connected the whole time. If you have the Easel page loaded with your project, it has all the data needed for the cut.
Finally, moving on to the ludicrous 'side by side' First, both machines are running the same cutting head (off the shelf DeWalt router) so it's either incompetence, or bias that caused him to give the X-Carve a larger object to cut, as well as changing the cut feed speed so it moves slower. Unless one of the woods he used was Walnut and the other was Poplar, there was no reason to have different cut speeds. Both machines are operating well within their limits at the maximum viable cut speeds for a given material, so a side by side cut literally proves nothing to anyone, but I suppose it might convince someone with more money than sense to buy one machine simply because they don't know better.
Neo Baggins On the other hand, the XXL is $180 less than the x-carve. So, why wouldn’t one pick the sturdier and cheaper model? I do agree that the cutting test was bogus. These two machines can cut at the same speed with the same spindle and tool.
Carsten Langrock it really isn’t cheaper to go with the shapeoko because you have to buy the dewalt spindle then. Where as with the x-carve it comes with it along with the z probe kit as well.
I LIKE THE OBJECTIVE APPROACH TO THIS COMPARISON. NOT MUCH BIAS EITHER WAY. POINTS OUT PROS AND CONS OF BOTH MACHINES AND THE SOFTWARE. REALLY LIKED THE VIDEO.
Correction ----- YOU CAN RUN an X-carve without the net. To do it you must download a program called "universal Gcode sender"" also known as UGS. It DOES NOT have the g-code creator that exists in the X-carve easel program.
I highly recommend Vetrics V-carve desktop for both. Its around $350 but well worth it. It can generate g-code for almost any CNC in existence.
My CNC is a total home brew running Mach 3.
The zeroing procedure here is specifficly for the 2 in question but its basically the same with all of them.
You can run with g code sender without internet...but you certainly cannot create in easel without it! Your right, aspire and aspire v-carve is the way to go in the long run...but if you just dropped 1300 + on the machine, alot might not want/be able to drop 300+ more on software.
Myers Woodshop An offline mode is incoming.
That’s good news!
I've never had my xcarve online. After a short test drive with easel, I decided not to even bother with the electronics and stick with the software stack I already use. I built my xcarve with a GeckoDrive 540 hooked up to a PC running LinuxCNC.
Remember with open source designs some folks will highly customize their machine.
@@WalterEGough I'm running turbocnc for DOS on an HP thin client here, controlling my el-cheapo chinese 6040z (ballscrews) router/engraver.
you made the decision easy - thanks! ordered the Shapeoko XXL this morning.
Your gonna love it!
This video is what sold me on the Shapeoko, and I have been having lots of fun learning how to use it and making some really cool projects! Thanks for the highly informative video! Keep up the awesome work!
Glad it was helpful! but i've since switched to the www.onefinitycnc.com
Thanks for the video. You helped my wife and I make our decision
i'm glad it helped!
“Big red oh crap button”
Love that
Haha. Yep, that’s what it is!
YOu just sold me a Shapeoko. I was going to buy the X-Carve. I currently run a Roland MDX40a which is super nice but small, and expensive. The Shapeoko seems more in line with the quality of the Roland. The fact that it's G-code means that I can run it directly from Rhino for full 3d milling
thanks for these videos
glad i helped!
I stumbled upon this which is a very good video and I appreciate the time you spent comparing the two CNC. I'm not sure if you will be reading this comment since it is a relatively old video but in case you do, here are a few comments. I did not check the other 2 videos so you may have addressed some of this. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have a Shapeoko. First, when you make the side by side comparison of the physical, you show both to see the difference but when you compare Easel, you do not show Carbide Create/Carbide Motion. Easel has many faults, I agree with you but it has some advantages over Carbide Create too. Second, you show the two machines side by side making a square, the Shapeoko finishes first but it looks like the Shapeoko square is smaller (it may be the video) You do not mention if the feeds and speeds are the same. As you know that a smaller square at the same feeds and speeds should be very close. Maybe the point you want to make is that the XCarve cannot be operated at the same F&S but you did not mention this. A point of comparison is the accuracy of both, something that you could have done by measuring the cuts with the design size. Finally, a comparison of the ability to cut harder materials like aluminum would also have shown the difference between the two.
Fournier Luc oh, yeah they look like two different squares?! Your right.
I may never understand commenters on the internet. So many have chimed in to point out that the side-by-side comparison wasn't fair because the X-carve was cutting a larger bit than the Shapeoko. Really? The video explains that! When the man says that the two machines were cutting different sized squares and that the Shapeoko was using a larger bit, why bother pointing it out -- again -- in the comments? He didn't have two bits of the same size, so he couldn't run an apples to apples comparison. He then noted that the feed and speeds weren't the same, because he was using the default speeds, which Carbide Create sets higher than does Easel. He speculated that the difference in the default speed rates may have to do with the fact the Shapeoko is a more rigid machine and might be able to handle the faster speeds. All that was in the video.
truth
When you designed the 'MYERS WORKSHP' as you can see you omitted the O in WorkshOp. a great teacher and didn't notice it.
shhh, don't tell anyone :P
Thanks. I needed the little extra push towards the Shapeoko.
This video is really old now. I’m using a onefinity cnc now! Check them out www.onefinitycnc.com
It appears that not only do you cut different size squares, but that you run the machines at different feed rates. This creates a large perceived difference in the capabilities of the machines. If that is the case it might be worth adding that disclaimer as well so that people don't misinterpret the results.
I did. I realized i didn't have two of the same sized bits. It still holds true, running both at recommended feeds and speeds with their respective software. With the Shapeoko's more rigidity, it can run faster with less chatter.
The feed rate is only based off of what the program recommends. He didn't amp up the speed on the Shapeoko, he put the material in the program, and it sets its own speed. It clearly out-performs the x-carve. And he also added the disclaimer about the different sized bit.
The thing I haven't found yet is a video of anyone comparing cutting speed and quality on the two side by side.... using the same bits, materials, and feeds/speeds. I'd be interested to see if cut quality decreases if you push the x-carve to the limits. Obviously the shapeoko has more rigidity, but I'm curious if this is 'overkill' and if the small bits used in a trim router can even take advantage of it (theres a practical limit to how fast any bit can cut). If you still have both routers I think this would be a big opportunity to make a 4th video.
Ryan Wenner, I would agree that he did make known at the end of the video the bit & square size differences but the taught was already in your head that it's way slower plus he even said it was 2x as slow. I was looking for a true comparison myself.
Sorry guys. I wish I knew what I knew now back then. Unfortunately, I only have one in my shop now so I won’t be able to compare them like you’d like.
I ordered an X-Carve, only because it was for a Black Friday sale which is $300 off with 3 free years of Easel. Also free U.S. shipping.
You wasted your money. The xcarve is 10 year old inferior product. Just wait until you have to put it together and it literally takes 5 days to do it. Not to mention their fb group where most people recommend not buying one....that says a lot. Still time to cancel and buy a www.OnefinityCnc.com
@@MyersWoodshop I’m pretty advanced at putting stuff like this together, but either way for the price of $1600 flat, the 1000mm size beats all the others for the pricing
Great video, I learned a lot about both machines but, the Shapeoko will be the one I purchase. Thank you for your time and instruction.
your welcome pingman!
this earned my sub!!! definitely getting one of them soon after I watch this like 8 more times lol
Thanks for your sub!
Great series of videos on the CNC’s - I had been looking at the Shapeoko for a while now. When it comes time to purchase that will be the one!
I’m glad my series helped!
I built a custom build for $3k with real Hiwin's, ballscrews and decent drivers 70v psu. I can cut at 10m/min with no issues, 4ft*3ft.
Go to your local scrap yard and look for aluminum extrusion, worked for me.
congrats. I switched over to a onefinity cnc with all ball screws and more for less thank 3K.
@@MyersWoodshop In the end it's what works for you. ;)
Luckily I found someone to machine my plates for free this would have been a killer cost. He still hates me for that lol, 4mm holes in 20mm plate is less than fun.
Great video with exactly what I was looking for. Can't use the X Carve without internet. Well Im thinking Im going with Shapeoko.
Check out www.OnefinityCnc.com. It’s what I use now
Extremely helpful video !
As for a CNC updrade, I'd very likely go for a Shapeoko. Yet, for software, I'd probaby stay with Fusion 360 for most things.
fusion is definitely better!
Great video! Appreciated the professional verbal presentation.
I made a plastic BOX TYPE COVER FOR IT, and it works perfectly as well as a vacuum to collect the dust. But the cover at least gives it some breathe time
I cut aluminum on my xcarve with a 1/4" 4 flute. Both machines are good. Just do your cam in Fusion 360 and export the g-code in easel. Speeds and feeds for aluminum takes time but wood is no problem at all with the xcarve.
they are both very capable machines.
This has been a great video I have watched it over and over just trying to learn as much as I could before I made the investment. I did get the shapeoko was not disappointed but I did make my own kill switch for the router and a second one for the machine this way I can add a dust collection system and not make it to complicated. Please keep up the great work look forward to seeing what's new coming out of your shop.
Kill switch is a really good idea! Thanks for watching!
Did anyone notice the x-carve was cutting a square twice the size, but yes it was slower most likely due to the flex and speed pre set within the program and maybe the internet speed / connection may play a factor too.
That's one thing I didn't know that the x-carve needs an internet connection, As I for one would prefer a machine that's able to work stand alone.
But I have generated gcode with easel and ran it on mach3 which was driving a homemade cnc worked just fine
Great job on these videos! I am new to CNC and this helped me to decide which machine to buy. Shapeoko is my choice as well. I like the test you did on flex, because many other videos I have watched discussed flex as a problem with accuracy. The Shapeoko even looks beefier (if that's a word). Thanks for the comparison and great videos!
I own neither machine, but that test is a little deceiving as the flex would only be important if it was the router\machine causing the flex. When will the machine need to carry the weight of a man\more weight on it's rails? It won't. Hence why it is designed for the job intended, carrying the router with precision, which it is more than adequate to do. I know you are also thinking about forces applied when routing causing flex, but the machines are designed and intended to mainly cut wood, foam and acrylics. You could cut aluminium but that is NOT the main design purpose. For these processes the machines are adequately strong enough. It is when people expect more from a smaller machine that things get problematic.
It also only took 7 passes for the shapeoko and 15 passes for the X carve. That's a big difference!
Great video!!! Thank you so much. I also had A LOT of fun with the CC on the video lol. Every time you said shepoko it will translate it to shape-hooker or shape-cocoa.
haha. that's hillarious.
To be honest both programs play it safe on feeds and speeds. you can normally find a chart for the bit you are using to calculate your feeds and speeds on the manufacturer's site
On the Shapoko you can just buy a longer screw for the belt tensioners and choke up on the belt. Throw a nylon lock nut on either side of the longer screw and you're good to go.
thats a great idea!
Definitely the best video I’ve found! Thank you.
Thanks Drummer Girl! Glad it helped!
Drummer Girl what machine did you go with ??
Thank you for that extraordinarily useful series!
You can wire a "big red oh crap button" on the shapeoko as well. It's a normally closed switch that you can order just about anywhere. You just have to cut the power cable open and break the 120v wire with the contact. I'm an automation engineer. I cant help it.
for sure!
put a filter mesh on the fan housing. cake.
The side by side running of the machines was way more deceiving than you mention. The bit size is a HUGE difference and you can turn the speed up in easel. I did really enjoy the video quality and getting to see the machines side by side.
Nice video......maybe someday.
But for right now I don't have the money for either the X-carve or the shapeoko, so I'm learning this stuff on my
el-cheapo chinese 6040 cnc router.
In fact doing my first cut generated by carbide create as I type this.
we all gotta start somewhere!
Thanks for the video - would have been good to show what the carbide create software looks like since you spent a long time on X-carves software. Also would have been good to use a pre-made SVG file that was exact on both to cut so you have an exact comparison (and invest in a duplicate bit so you have both with the same bits - apples to apples). That being said, this was enough for me to want to go with the Shapeoko.
I have a whole entire series on how to use create on my channel.
Nice of you to make this video, you say you are a beginner, you make it like a comparison between the 2 but use different measures (sizes, feed rates, bits, not comparing the end result .. etc.), and your express an opinion that can influence others. I think this shouldn`t be online.
He also makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR at the end of the video about the differences. I think you shouldn't be allowed to post..anywhere.
Side rails are designed to withstand the weight of the machine in use! Not your body weight. Big difference there.
I had considered X-Carve before this video. Thank you for pointing out the "Pro". There's nothing "Pro" about having to have internet to run your job or having to pay for a V-bit. The "Pro" moniker should be renamed to "WTF"
right click your nc file or any ...and open in notepad ....see the program and status your speed and feeds easy
easy to some.
Thank you! Such great info. I was on the fence about x-carve. Now you’ve helped me confirm I need Shapeoko or seo thing better for the money.
Question: what’s the z-axis range on Shapeoko compared to X-Carve?
Thanks again!
Thanks for the video. This helped me get to the choice I wanted to make. But, hey! Do a TRUE comparison test. :-p You can't have 2x the speed with half the cut amount verses the other one with half the speed and 2x the amount to cut as a test. That's just not fair, even if you're not an expert.
This comment exactly which i want to see.I think shapeoko pay more.And sad point is read the comments..people believe this.they cant see details which you see.
Very detailed video. Thanks!
your welcome guys!
Some observations:
- The force needed to move a router on a plane has a measurable value, and CNC rails must provide a force no lesser than that. Anything more than that is unnecessary.
- The cutting speed of a CNC depends of the stepper motors and the specification of the bit for the material being worked on. But, in the G-Code instructions you decide the actual speed of the cut, taking in consideration the dept of the cut, material, etc.
- The CNCs presented use a GRBL interface. In my case I have modified my machine to be autonomous and WIFI capable, so I do not need INTERNET, nor to be directly connected to it via USB. That is a modification available for both CNCs.
Conclusion: This comparison does not provide any real value to chose for one over the other.
Jose Mitjavila My experience is that the stiffness of the system affects the quality of the cut. Resonance also has an effect. These are both improved with a stronger build. This review was ok, but maybe not as professional as I might want.
@@microdesigns2000 OK, I take that. But, then the test would have be based on repetitive cut accuracy and not on extra wait applied on the frame.
@@josemitjavila I agree. A body weight test is not very useful. This review would have been better if it included discussion about the accuracy of cuts, and machining artifacts. And I'd like to have seen a chart with his findings about software features and prices.
Awesome videos, thanks so much for doing them! I'm still torn on which to buy, and need one very soon.
Glad you like them! but i've since switched to the www.onefinitycnc.com
@@MyersWoodshop why the switch? What pro's/con's have you found vs these machines?
Since you have changed to the Onefinity, how about a side by side comparison using the same "tests".
i want to, i need more time in the day.
Thanks man, this was a really awesome video! You have helped me significantly!
Glad I could help!!
Very good comparison. Thank you for taking the time with this series. Many people have been waiting for a video like this.
Now you should sell them both, add a bit extra and get a real cnc router with ball screws, profiled linear rail and a proper software controlled spindle. Seeing the belt system and the wheels running on the extrusion just gives me visions of having to launch it out the window hulk style.
Ha Ha, I had to ask forgiveness from the wife for this purchase...I'm stuck at this level for a while, which is just fine to me, I have yet to run into anything I can't cut!
Ollie S what CNC do you suggest?
Ollie S The problem with getting a “real” CNC for many hobbyists is that they require water-cooling and many are 220V-only. That’s a real blocker (is for me too). Here’s the thing: for what most of us use them for it’s just not necessary.
noticed the jacket. I work in Bald Knob. great video and production.
thanks
Hello neighbor!! Small world!
i used easel to practice with some small images using one of those self build dvd cnc stepper toys,and the web only thing is a pain,the only work around is to just save the file you want,which is what most cad systems will do,then you need a cam setup like universal g-code sender.don't like belts and unsupported rails,the bearings and vee wheels look ok for replacing opposed to the rod rail/bearings that can wear over time but are more expensive to replace,pros and cons,i'm making my own using all the best bits to suit me,than suiting someone elses pocket book profit margin.yeah for arduino and open source build.
That xcarve brain is smaller than one of my 3 power supply's im so glad i built my own
my gantry weights more than both of thoes combined
nice job!
Great comparison video! I bought the X-Carve during the Black Friday sale last year and have really enjoyed it. I can definitely see where the Shapeoko would be a more robust machine.
they both do a great job for what they are!
It would have been much appreciated if you would have - in the beginning stated that the X-Carve required an internet connection.
You are awesome man, I learnt a great deal in this video, thank you so much 👍👍👍
Glad it helped! but it's old. Check out my new videos on the Onefinity CNC!
@@MyersWoodshop Will do that.
I've switched to freecad. I made a tutorial video for fast design changes that automatically recreate your tool path.
Pretty cool !! upload love the review and the whole video all around !
Thanks man!
your welcome
Did I miss something? You never showed carbide create, but you kept saying you'd showed us?
skip the belts, go for Acme screw setup like a Cbeam Machine
great comparison video !
I'm curious, on the Shapeoko, could you use some sort of 'spacer' to increase the router's distance from the mounting plate?
You can put a filter over that fan intake.
good call, got a link?
@@MyersWoodshop no, I was thinking you could just cut an air filter and attach it to the outside of the fan cover. A hepa filter would be better, but I don't know if it would allow enough air flow.
@@MyersWoodshop Best Buy or similar store may have something already made for that. The computer that runs our turret at work has one built in.
👍 Great video! Thanks for the information.
@11:19 There is _NO_ hardware limitation that prevents you from using the X-Carve without the I-Net! Only the Software which is the CNC equivalent to MS Paint which should be dropped on sight and replaced with a CAD/CAM Software like Fusion 360 and CNC Software like Universal G-Code Sender ( or whatever you're comfortable with ). No one in their right mind should use either Easel or Carbide Create! Not even as a starting point!
Thank you! This was just one of the gripes I had with this video. It's disheartening to see all the 'you convinced me' 'the X-Carve is clearly crap' comments. Easel is perfectly fine if you're not technical and are wanting to do basic projects, and it's even compatible with other programs. For example, I use it if I'm just using the X-Carve as a CNC bandsaw/drill press (for lack of a better name) where it's just cutting outlines and holes for me. I can export sketches from Fusion to SVGs and open those in Easel. I don't plan on buying a subscription when my free year expires. I'd rather get some of Vectric's software, which costs about the same as a 2 year sub to Easel. If you aren't technical, or are doing the same relatively simple cuts over and over Easel would be perfect for you if you don't want to have to learn something more complex, so I feel it's worth the price in those cases.
That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think? Easel and Create are actually really nice especially for beginners. That’s like saying that TinkerCAD is garbage and one should model everything in Fusion. The learning curve for Fusion is too steep for the casual user. I do agree that serious design work requires Fusion or Solidworks, but Joe Schmoe can do really cool things with simpler tools. For most people 2.5D modeling work is plenty.
GREAT review series, thanks for sharing these!
thank you Gilles!
Very informative video- thank you!
Do you have a comparative video between Onefinity woodworker vs Shapeoko? I’m torn between the two
Thanks for doing this side by side comparison... helps me make a more informed decision for sure!
you wont be disapointed!
We’re waiting for your review in shapeoko please. Thank u
buy a www.onefinitycnc.com
Great video thanks so much
Thank You, appreciate the time and information.
Your welcome! Hope it helps!
when you put weight on the side rails, "inventables" Right in the middle of the rail, BYT on the Shapoko you put your weight on the left side off center, anyone else see this ?
Wow! This is very interesting! Thanks for sharing the video! :D
My questions for you are: What is the thickest piece of wood you can use in these machines? And will they do an equally good job on hardwoods?
I’ve done a 4x4. Yeah, they will be even nicer cuts in hardwoods
Do you think it would cut completely through a 3 inch slab of hardwood? I have been wanting to build my own guitar and have been looking for an affordable machine that I would accomplish the task.
you could if you could find a bit long enough to reach that deep. you could always cut down as far as the machine could reach, cut the rest of the basic shape with the bandsaw, then finish off at the router table with a flush cut bit.
It would be faster to cut the pockets for the neck, pickups, and electronics on the CNC and then make a template for the profile and use a bandsaw to cut it.
I was about to buy the X-Carve until I saw that deflection, Jesus H.W. Christ that should be unacceptable for any kind of tool let alone a precision CNC machine...
Agreed... but maybe not use the Lords name invasion next time... terrible.
@@kirkwilliams2127 what's wrong with saying Jesus Christ? I say it all day everyday
I respect the fact he put all his worthy on the rails but during normal operation does it defect? If not that was pointless.
Just want to point out that at around 1155 you say the "free software" (Easel) its not free. It adds about $180 to your cart if you do not take it off the order. Or you can purchase it for $20 a month.
this video was shot was two years ago, they added that "pro" version after my video came out.
Why dont you just open the xcarve controller and turn the fan around so it run as a heat extractor
Then it's just going to suck dust in from the exhaust vents. Doesn't matter which way the air moves through.
Solder and wire is cheap and would be better in the long run to just lengthen the wires.
Put a filter over the fan
Thanks im getting the shapepoko
nice ! you'll love it!
I know this is an old video but I searched the comments and didn't see where this had been asked.
Why are the two machines running in opposite directions (conventional vice climb) ?
because i didn't understand the difference 4 years ago :P
In this test, the square is two times longer on the left XCarve test
yep, i mention that in the beginning...
can you use carbide on either machine, also can the carbide program can it be use on a ipad?
10:00 the rigidity should take the transmission into account before anything else... If the belt stretches when side force is applied the frame rigidity becomes irrelevant. not mention they have 1NM steppers running the pulleys which again makes absolutely no sense... A 0.3nM stepper will do the same job since the RPM never exceeds 300. And belts skip teeth before any steps are lost. Rails seem good enough but they should have used screws for transmission on all axis
Just bought the Shapeoko. Thank you for the product review. I got the XXL. Do you have any accessories recommendations?
definitly the dust boot and the touch probe:
www.matterhackers.com/store/l/carbide-3d-shapeoko-touch-probe/sk/MHLSR7D0?aff=7502
www.matterhackers.com/store/l/suckit-pro-dust-boot-for-shapeoko/sk/M18S7RSD?aff=7502
AWESOME VIDEO
Thanks!
Great presentation, thanks
You are welcome!
Yet another great video! Cheers
Cheers!
Thanks for all the great info!
No problem! glad I can Help!