Loaf Bloke well im not talking shit, and they are strong, but compared to powerlifter and strongman competitors they are kinda weak, because strength is not the goal for them, a great body is, they have diet, and different training, basically the goal of bodybuilding isnt strength its looks, but they are strong i wish i could lift as much as these dudes
you are correct. bodybuilding is a specialized "sport" that is (now) based on muscle sculpting rather than strength or toughness. they're definitely STRONGER than your average couch potato but not as strong as an average powerlifter. what fools you is powerlifters look like what we consider to be fat
1:30 "you think lighter weight more reps, that's not always the case" Yeah I often find myself struggling to bench 80kg for 2 but then smash out 50 reps at 100kg. You crazy physics.
He is obviously talking about endurance ie above 30 reps, 315 could potentially be easier to bounce off your chest, or you could gas out after X amount of reps with either weight
What he means is "Many people would tend to assume a linear, 1-for-1 relationship between weight and reps, implying that one could bench twice as many reps with 200 pounds as they could push with only 100 pounds; however, because of various factors like lactic acid buildup, this is simply not the case." Yw.
lol the bodybuilding was turning red before he even began like the dude was charging solarbeam or some shit lol excellent i can only put that up 10 times lol
Jace Martin lol I was doing 225 incline with a spotter and he kept calling me out when my ass lifted off the bench. Made me feel like a half repper trying to show off. Be careful bro
@@FreedomFighter2112 LMAO AND YOU THINK COMPETITION BENCH PRESSING IS MORE IMPRESSIVE? this guy could arch his back a fuck ton like all powerlifters do and and get that same range of motion and maybe even more reps
@@canevas1017 if your saying terron could simply just arch his back and he would all of a sudden do that many reps your an idiot😂 Joel is simply just much stronger I mean go look at their instagrams and look at what their maxes r. Joel benches at least 100 pounds if not more than that over terron
I lifted and I was good at it but someone has to say what is right and what is wrong. That guy who did 58 reps is not a person that I want a young man that is lifting weights to look up to because you and I know how he did it.
You know what's funny? People think roids are magic. You know how many millions of people stick 100 needles in their ass every day and can't bench anywhere near 225 x 58. Give this man his props when it's due.
+JHaslip Absolutely true. They work like magic only on people who have a lot of knowledge to begin with about training, nutrition and recovery. Those retards who go on gear 6 months after they started lifting know nothing and will look like shit forever, no matter what they take.
+Mtthew 123 quality juice is magic and if you deny this you certainly have no scientific or medical knowledge. stop being a bro bro bro knowledge bro, bro
Looks like most people talking s**t about the bodybuilder have never stepped inside a gym. Steroids or not, what he's done is crazy. 58 reps of 225 on the bench is insane, whichever way you look at it.
I hate reading people talking about using steroids. Steroids are not a get muscle quick drug, if you take it and do nothing you get fat or at the best stay the same. You still gotta put in the work, juice just makes you recover much quicker. But yeah 58 reps at 225 is nuts, I do widow maker leg presses and usually load up the leg press with around that weight and usually only manage 50 to 75 reps, given I do 3 to 5 sets at those reps but still.
The recovery period is where the body builds muscle though. Steroids are a personal choice but this is a play on words that has become prevalent since those Netflix steroid documentaries hit over the last few years. A natural lifter will never see the potential they could if they had utilized a steroid cycle. This encompasses both how fast they gain size as well as overall peak lifting numbers. Hell, once my wife and I have our child, I will likely cycle with test, so I am not opposed to supplements but let's be real here.
Huh? First off it's ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS(AAS)...that means that they are a steroid suspension of male hormones(androgenic) and are anabolic(cell building) and SPECIFICALLY promotes HYPERTROPHY which is making a cell LARGER much like blowing up a balloon...next, it has EVERYTHING to do with the (daily)DOSAGE that directly affects the SIZE to which you make that cell grow and hence in the case of AAS's the SIZE of muscle cells...in the case of bodybuilders it is ridiculously large and is known as SUPERHYPERTROPHY. This should not be confused with HYPERPLASIA which is creating MORE numerous cells, which is what HGH does...so bodybuilders tend to combine SUPER HYPERTROPHIC dosages of steroids(AAS) to increase the SIZE of their muscle cells and SUPER HYPERPLASIAC dosages of HGH to increase the number of those cells...throw in some insulin to 'force feed' the protein(from food) to give adequate 'materials' to the cells and you have a pretty big and strong person.
Smaller also means less bodyweight, meaning it is actually harder for a guy like him. Just so you understand, which means that relatively to his weight, the amount of reps at 225, equals a max one rep max of over 600 pounds... so yeah. Way past the elite level of strenght.
Josh Gordon said that he literally played every game while drunk and/or high on something. Assuming that's true, then how is it that NFL's drug testing didn't catch him? The answer is because the NFL's drug testing is a joke. The NFL is infested with steroids.
Love how people cant retain the same respect everyone had in the video, the football players didn't shit talk him and try to make excuses, they all know they are better on the field, and hes better in the weight room.
This shit is impressive!!! I can only do 5 sets of 5 reps 225 and I've been at it almost 2 years! To do THAT many reps at 315 is absolutely amazing. Mad love guys! Stay big 💪🏻
@@scottydoesntknow254 I don’t think you understood him, he didn’t say he’d been working with that same weight for two straight years, I’m sure he meant he had been training for two years and can so far do 225 for that many
Impressive benches. Body builders generally focus more on upper body than football players and utilize more aggressive diets . So it does not surprise me that the bodybuilder won. I suppose that in football you'll find a lot of big squatters and power cleaners especially among linemen and linebackers. Matchups like this in MMA are usually very interesting too.
Will anyone ever get tested? Is Joel Thomas an actual human being? Which athlete takes more drugs? Find out on the next episode of Bodybuilder vs Football Players!
I'm seriously trying to think. What possible position in The NFL, MLB, MLS, or NBA would that guy excel at? Place kicker? In the words of Kenny Powers, "I am a real athlete. I am not trying to be the best at exercising". This video is absolutely pointless.
Mark Odum that is my point indeed. A rookie combine record isn't as impressive as some of these linemen should be cranking out after a few years of the pros.
If he went up against a professional lineman, then he'd have trouble beating them. Plus, his arms are short af. He barely has to push up before he extends all the way. I'd say he would be bested by a few lineman.
Shaun Diebel his arms arent short lol his chest and back is just so thick the range has shorten. Id like to see you half rep 225 for 5 reps lol you canr though
Half extended bench causes more muscle tear meaning a better work out. The main thing you should look for in a bench is if they touch their chest with the bar.
samsonpker If you knew anything about benching, you would know that not fully extending puts more work on your muscles. You do not get the rest time of locking your elbows in, these are called half reps and are used to train. So I can see why you think that, but he is putting more strain on his muscles. Not to mention both of them did not fully extend making it fair. Now in PR/WR maxes and what not, you are expected to fully lock it out showing that you can do a full extended motion.
Ur not taking into account the breaks that u get when u lock ur elbows, ur no longer using ur muscle when u lock and ur muscles (even though it is slight) will get a rest period and over 58 reps those small restings will add up. With half reps ur muscles don't get that same rest its constant work. I can definitely see the commonsense argument though, and you would be right if it weren't for so many reps extending fully might do more.
Regardless a bench press full ROM is straight arms down to the chest and back up. Anything else may still be impressive in weight or endurance but dont call it a bench press.
Great work by both guys. Regardless of any comparisons, comments, etc., it was still an impressive display from Terron and Joel. For all of the negative comments, I would LOVE to see any of you try and rep even half! It would be hilarious to ask the people claiming “steroids”, “gear” and so on to actually explain what it is, does, how it works and so on. A good 90% of those folks only know the word “steroids” but have ZERO clue what any of it definitively means. Once these trolls actually post a video of them benching the same weight for the same amount of reps, then I’ll retract any comment. Hell, most of those trash talkers would be lucky to pull off 3.9 push-ups! 😂
If you started lifting in 5th grade your bones and joints would be used to the trauma it’s not just strength it’s endurance for the stress your body is under
I was playing sports and enjoying the outdoors...simple shit. Who the fuck in the right mind would give a shit about working out in the 5th grade lol come on...unless you have some ego gym rat dad that failed in his goal to be the guy that can lift the world yet cant put a fucking shirt on lol...feel sorry for both sides.
That is a lot to do. I was able to go from 100-295 in the space of a year with 25 max reps and I thought that I was the bomb. These guys are ridiculous!
1. There's no chance that you increased your bench from 100 to 295 in a year. 2. If you really could bench 225 for 25 reps, your max would be way more than 295.
@@tjcogger1974What I said was a true and factual statement. I do remember using the Smith machine once I hit 225 lbs for safety, as well as being looked at like some sort of genetic freak as I climbed up the ladder with the amount of weight I was pressing. My goal was to hit 330 lbs (my body weight) for 20 reps by the end of a year for my lifelong personal best. I don’t know if periodic moments in my life of weight training for about 20+ years before this helped me, but it was very sporadic for a couple of months at a time at best. Plus genetically I probably had an upper hand being physically stronger naturally than my peers while growing up. Even now if it wasn’t for all my health issues I’d likely do well if I were able to focus on training again. Have a good day! 👋
John RUclips - four 10# weights on each side hits 80#.... ? Not everyone has full blown Ivanko weight sets laying around. A lot of guys, especially younger guys just starting out, get whatever weights they can off of friends, family members, and Craigslist. Many of these people aren't going to have 45lb plates, nor anything over 25lbs for the most part. So, it's entirely possible he's pushing 80lbs.
John RUclips - This might be more specific for you: 2.5|15|-------Bar-------|15|2.5 There ya go bud, 80lbs... And Don't even start with the "buy you're forgetting the weight of the collars" bullshit... You get the point.
My first thought when they started pressing. I can't bench 225 with any form but if I was benching what I do bench I bet I could add 20% to stop at 20 degree elbows every rep
Exactly they are all partials, I’ve never been real strong but did about 25 to full lock and way slower in my 30s. Not overly impressed with these half ass reps either.
Lmao none of you are very intelligent about lifting, locking out is hard on joints and actually stops the tension on the muscles. Meaning, locking out is BAD stop that shit.
I was watching and counting out loud too... 'zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, ...' ; no, I can't do better/more than either of these guys... but I got to 18 or so with no bouncing off the chest and nigh fully stretched arms; no, not 'locking' the elbows as in beyond 180 degrees, which some seem to think is what's needed to call it 'locked out' either
Not for a guy sticking a needle in his ass quit turning a blind eye to this there are young males watching reading this they may think that if they work hard enough they can be that big. What in the hell is wrong with this every responsible adult should not be condoning what this guy did he is a bodybuilder. Kids bodybuilding has turned a blind eye to HGH test and horse drugs in their sport. Mr. O for the last 40 years is juiced you do not get that big. They cycle on and off they go to other countries to train wink wink. This is not a man to look up to get off this channel and it is hard but look up natural bodybuilding if they have it. The reason I am so upset is when I was a young cop I had been lifting weight for football for years. One of my friends started working out with me and was getting upset that I was lifting heavier and bigger and I told him it takes time. I knew a guy that own a supplement shop and he would give cops a discount and I knew he was on the juice but he lived outside the city. I introduced my friend to him knowing that he was on juice never thinking that my friend would try taking it but he I noticed he caught me and went right on by me. I asked him what are you taking and he told me I warned him that shit will catch up with your ass when you get older. Well he had a stroke on a traffic stop and almost died. It would of never happened if I did not send him to the wolves den.
Wayne brown Stfu, people are entitled to their own decisions you don't make the decisions for them idiot and you don't have to judge them either. My god you anti steroid people are so full of yourselves
joseph Adams You are delusional. At least half of the NFL is using HGH or test and their coaches are very aware. And no, using PED’s wont magically allow you to put up 225 for 50 reps or make you a pro bodybuilder. Idk what fantasy world you’re living in but there’s tons of of people taking steroids who look like shit and aren’t strong lol
what do u mean? he does NOT sell any supps!!! besides the one he actually YES has, i think it's a Rejuvenation stuff or something!! but he is the only Popular Famous PRO who does NOT sell any other supps.....
Henrik .G No. I stopped 5 years ago after lifting nearly non-stop from age 16 through age 45 (injuries). Sold my Olympic weights, bench, and dumbells to the neighbor kid.
Body builders are not athletes. They're just roid junkies. Either juice a bit and play a legit sport or go home. Most body builders don't have the lungs or heart to be on a field of play and put their muscles to any use. What's the point of being just a roided up body builder?
trn450 is correct. Watch combine vids. They hardly every enforce it. To properly enforce the lockout it would require a pause, and a pause would make it impossible to compare future candidates to previous candidates.
I’m 6’6, with a lot of real estate to cover on the way up. I got 225 for 19 reps a couple of times never could hit 20. A few years later I was bigger but I never tried it again but I figured that was good enough but these guys are amazing.
I am the same height and just hit 14 today. I am so pumped. I am still new to lifting. Can't wait till I get to 20. Do you think it is possible in 5 months? So far I've been lifting light because I don't have a spotter here in Chile. The most I've ever tried was 275. Would you recommend I lift heavier or bang out reps with 225? Thanks!
now this is what im talking about. Real benching. No crazy stupid arc in your back. Full range of motion not some bullshit 3 inch from the chest that all these new fake lifters are doing. This is the real deal.
Pretty sure bending your spine into a McDonald's arch while trying to lift 400 pounds is not good for any of those bones or joints either. I hate that trend too.
***** That's a fair statement, your original reply to him made it sound like you were talking about his main point, the massive back arches that men and women both do in competitive and even just casual benching.
it's not a trend it's a powerlifting technique mostly girls use so they don't have to bring. The bar to the chest just saying then there's the wuss guys that use it too.
So sick of commenters here....these people do strength trainning for living; they're pro and people still think they dont know how to bench 🤣🤣🤣....I guess most of them go to Planet Fitness
Lol both of them are on gear, who cares anyway? Steroids are some magical fucking potion? They put in hundreds of hours at the gym and intake 2 times as much food as the normal person to get what they desire. Don't shake it because the media makes steroids a frowned upon thing
+Peacey wow you're desparate to call people sheep aren't you? You mad bro? Did somebody make fun of you and make the little baby inside you angry? Steroids are obvious performance enhancers, and as the guy who wrote the original thread pointed out, a guy who takes steroids is competing against a guy who doesn't. It's not a fair competition.
Cool video but kinda lame with the whole "another Combine Record broken" stuff. The NFL Combine is for college kids aged 20-22...not near peak physical strength. A better comparison would be a 5-7 year NFL vet. Larry Allen once did 315 lbs 43 times. But he was also 300+ lbs. Its really apples to oranges. Let's see Joel Thomas run a 4.47 40 yard dash....wouldn't sniff it. That's what Beckham ran at his pro day. Like I said, apples and oranges
Silver Warrior spotters or not it was very impressive. He did 635 675 then 700. He was one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL making millions. Do u really expect no spotters ?
James Rogers I'm not denying his NFL ability, what I am saying is that his bench was not even close to a legit rep. He was strong no doubt, but definitely not a 700 lb bencher.
My best with 225 is 13. Doesn't sound like much, but all to lockout and no bounce. Broken sternum, so I won't take the risk. Still, both of these guys, that's ridiculous power.
never worked out at 16 pressed 300# 5 times ,just born strong , as a kid just never sat still always outside playing .first 5 years keep sons moving . life long . the boy will always have a advantage of other guys
Terron Beckham failed to lockout on almost every rep at east 95% of the 38 reps. This allowed him to do probably 4 or 6 additional reps. Still very impressive.
rafael torres jr its the bench plat form wider scapula needs a wider platform. I'm 6'5 and I had a bench with a 2" wider back rest than gym bench I was always 35lbs weaker on average at gym with same weights and bar. That's the disadvantage with tall lifters. If a taller man had his feet the same width as a shorter guy on squats how would he fair? Makes sense right? I knew a 6'8 powerlifter explained it to me. He would focus on his squats and reads to compensate for over all weight in comp.
It seems like it would help to have shorter arms but I spoke with a former body builder and gym owner of them gym I went to and he was 60 at the time, very cool guy he said short or long arms it doesn't matter the muscle runs the length of the bone it's on giving basically the same leverage however he did tell me if someone has exceptionally wide shoulders and relatively short arms that's the best combo for shorter press but you can comfortably take a wide grip, but genetics of muscle tissue plays the biggest part naturally, but the one guy is obviously on alot of juice and the other guys probably on a lean gain steroid like tren.
I seen my boss in 1992 bench 405 20 reps non stop, he was a power lifter and had his own business building exercise equipment, 5'-8" Adonis look, HUGE ARMS. It was impressive to me
the difference between football players and body builders is football players all test for speed, agility, vert jumps. I bet if they tested for all that the body builder wouldn't be in the same league.
Brian Teskey first guy fully extended the press around 5 times. Second guy maybe the same. So in my book they both did 5 reps that should count toward a total. One major plus though is neither were doing bounce presses that I saw
![Bodybuilder vs. Football Player: 315 lb Bench Press Challenge [1080p HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sJjSP2fqFxk/mqdefault.jpg)
Now in the next event, Can a Swimmer swim faster than a basketball player?
Tyler Nichols well bodybuilders are pretty weak, now if it was a powerlifter in there i would agree with you
Eric G since when were body builders weak lmao?
Loaf Bloke well im not talking shit, and they are strong, but compared to powerlifter and strongman competitors they are kinda weak, because strength is not the goal for them, a great body is, they have diet, and different training, basically the goal of bodybuilding isnt strength its looks, but they are strong i wish i could lift as much as these dudes
you are correct. bodybuilding is a specialized "sport" that is (now) based on muscle sculpting rather than strength or toughness. they're definitely STRONGER than your average couch potato but not as strong as an average powerlifter. what fools you is powerlifters look like what we consider to be fat
didn't O'Neal race phelps one time? lol
This man is roughly 58 times stronger than me
if you were lifting the bar with your penis only?
KL Will you please do me a favor and take a look at this poem I did? Thank you
ruclips.net/video/3B7oMSTdH94/видео.html
And you're twice as strong as I am, lol...
lol
Nigga did the math 😂😂😂
I remember when I was 10 years old at about 110 lbs, putting up 400 lbs for 20 reps lol. Everyone in the comments.
0lpeaseee
Well I was actually 11 when I did it.
I'm 5'1 I weigh 165 and I bench 585, no excuses.
1:30 "you think lighter weight more reps, that's not always the case" Yeah I often find myself struggling to bench 80kg for 2 but then smash out 50 reps at 100kg. You crazy physics.
Luke Faulkner lmfao yo I’m crying
The guy to his left was like WTF this guy talking about lol. Does he even lift?
He is obviously talking about endurance ie above 30 reps, 315 could potentially be easier to bounce off your chest, or you could gas out after X amount of reps with either weight
What he means is "Many people would tend to assume a linear, 1-for-1 relationship between weight and reps, implying that one could bench twice as many reps with 200 pounds as they could push with only 100 pounds; however, because of various factors like lactic acid buildup, this is simply not the case." Yw.
@@baltigra
It's also possible that if you're on a lighter weight you might unnecessarily expend energy by pushing up the first few really fast
I remember when I was 6 years old, putting up 600 for 80 reps
You lier
@@JordanPeterson. i saw him did it
@@JordanPeterson. Na, I was there. I can confirm his story is true.
Cap stretch in HOF
@@victorsoto4821 yea me you and jaden was there watching him do it remember?
“Hold my beer”
-Larry Wheels
Larry is a bum! Martins Licis says, hold my case and then won the 2019 WSM. Where was Larry, AGAIN??? Exactly.....
@@Decimator-jh4gu when did he say that
@@MrDubstepDub This is all about strength, look into the relation of the subject matter a bit closer, here. Understand?
Larry, win or lose is always a champion, it's in his mentality and the way he carries himself. Congrats to all who participate.
PHFATT KCOBRA Larry is still very young. He’s got plenty of time
lol the bodybuilding was turning red before he even began like the dude was charging solarbeam or some shit lol excellent i can only put that up 10 times lol
Lol a pokemon joke on a body building vid!
Same I can only go about 8 reps but I'm natty!
Dan Morgan I can go all the way down but I can't come back up.
Jace Martin lol I was doing 225 incline with a spotter and he kept calling me out when my ass lifted off the bench. Made me feel like a half repper trying to show off. Be careful bro
I can only get it 3 sets of 10 or so too. Being natty has its limits.
When your chest gets so big everything is a half rep...
The 2nd guy was doing wide arm half-reps...not a single one would count in a real competition
@@FreedomFighter2112 LMAO AND YOU THINK COMPETITION BENCH PRESSING IS MORE IMPRESSIVE? this guy could arch his back a fuck ton like all powerlifters do and and get that same range of motion and maybe even more reps
@@FreedomFighter2112 wanna here something crazy, this isn’t a powerlifting or bodybuilding or pro benching competition it’s RUclips video 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@FreedomFighter2112 your an idiot!
@@canevas1017 if your saying terron could simply just arch his back and he would all of a sudden do that many reps your an idiot😂 Joel is simply just much stronger I mean go look at their instagrams and look at what their maxes r. Joel benches at least 100 pounds if not more than that over terron
I'm just here to read the negative comments from all the guys who don't lift.
CARLOS GUTIERREZ
Its not negative when its the truth bud
@@fadedenterprise127 that's not how it works😂😂😂 a negative response is a negative response no matter what
U dont even lift so stfu
@@dylanburk5254 it is what it is, ape. 😂😂
I lifted and I was good at it but someone has to say what is right and what is wrong. That guy who did 58 reps is not a person that I want a young man that is lifting weights to look up to because you and I know how he did it.
You know what's funny? People think roids are magic. You know how many millions of people stick 100 needles in their ass every day and can't bench anywhere near 225 x 58. Give this man his props when it's due.
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Thank you bro
+JHaslip Absolutely true. They work like magic only on people who have a lot of knowledge to begin with about training, nutrition and recovery. Those retards who go on gear 6 months after they started lifting know nothing and will look like shit forever, no matter what they take.
+Mtthew 123 quality juice is magic and if you deny this you certainly have no scientific or medical knowledge. stop being a bro bro bro knowledge bro, bro
Max B Roids + hard work = major results, Roids + little work = little results.
Looks like most people talking s**t about the bodybuilder have never stepped inside a gym. Steroids or not, what he's done is crazy. 58 reps of 225 on the bench is insane, whichever way you look at it.
I hate reading people talking about using steroids. Steroids are not a get muscle quick drug, if you take it and do nothing you get fat or at the best stay the same. You still gotta put in the work, juice just makes you recover much quicker.
But yeah 58 reps at 225 is nuts, I do widow maker leg presses and usually load up the leg press with around that weight and usually only manage 50 to 75 reps, given I do 3 to 5 sets at those reps but still.
The recovery period is where the body builds muscle though. Steroids are a personal choice but this is a play on words that has become prevalent since those Netflix steroid documentaries hit over the last few years.
A natural lifter will never see the potential they could if they had utilized a steroid cycle. This encompasses both how fast they gain size as well as overall peak lifting numbers.
Hell, once my wife and I have our child, I will likely cycle with test, so I am not opposed to supplements but let's be real here.
Its not impressive at all lol. Those guys would crank out 70 taking the shit they take... They are NATURALLY gifted.
Huh? First off it's ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS(AAS)...that means that they are a steroid suspension of male hormones(androgenic) and are anabolic(cell building) and SPECIFICALLY promotes HYPERTROPHY which is making a cell LARGER much like blowing up a balloon...next, it has EVERYTHING to do with the (daily)DOSAGE that directly affects the SIZE to which you make that cell grow and hence in the case of AAS's the SIZE of muscle cells...in the case of bodybuilders it is ridiculously large and is known as SUPERHYPERTROPHY. This should not be confused with HYPERPLASIA which is creating MORE numerous cells, which is what HGH does...so bodybuilders tend to combine SUPER HYPERTROPHIC dosages of steroids(AAS) to increase the SIZE of their muscle cells and SUPER HYPERPLASIAC dosages of HGH to increase the number of those cells...throw in some insulin to 'force feed' the protein(from food) to give adequate 'materials' to the cells and you have a pretty big and strong person.
blake klimasara Football players are juiced to the gills. With way better stuff than most bodybuilders.
The bodybuilder is pretty impressive, but can he scratch his own back? Probably not
Agreeable Dragon or wipe his ass?
That’s why they make back scratchers dipshit
Uh, yeah...it's also why they make male hookers that will wipe their asses for them.
Mark Sanchez whoosh
@@johnn.marshall4566 - Shower massage w/o the "water saver" …….. BLAST the crust out between them cheeks!! (Hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do ….. ;-)
Put this man on strength wars!
YESSS
thought the same
yes
Take that "MAN" off steroids
+Seth Dart I agree with you. If steroids didn't exist. He wouldn't be that big.
In the late 70’s and early 80’s I could do 30-34 reps at 225. I will never mention that again. All I can say is wow!
That’s still insane strength
Super impressive Jay well done
They made the weights lighter in the ‘70s so you need to adjust for deflation. 225 lb in 1970 is 135 lb today.
Joel's arms are so short he barley has to lift the bar up 😂
lol
Yea, his short arms mixed with his massive chest, he is moving the bar like 10 inches.
Smaller also means less bodyweight, meaning it is actually harder for a guy like him. Just so you understand, which means that relatively to his weight, the amount of reps at 225, equals a max one rep max of over 600 pounds... so yeah. Way past the elite level of strenght.
Mr Flood triggered!
Neither did the other guy.
I’d like to know if the body builder would pass an NFL drug test?
Yes, they are easy to cheat
I like to know if nfl players would pass a bodybouilders drug test
everyone in the NFL is on drugs bud xD
Josh Gordon said that he literally played every game while drunk and/or high on something. Assuming that's true, then how is it that NFL's drug testing didn't catch him? The answer is because the NFL's drug testing is a joke. The NFL is infested with steroids.
You realize Josh Gordon has been busted about 4x and suspended an entire year from their drug tests "not catching him" haha
Literally nobody:
Comments of bench press videos: I CoULd dO 10O0 KiLoS wHeN I wAS 4
Love how people cant retain the same respect everyone had in the video, the football players didn't shit talk him and try to make excuses, they all know they are better on the field, and hes better in the weight room.
This shit is impressive!!! I can only do 5 sets of 5 reps 225 and I've been at it almost 2 years! To do THAT many reps at 315 is absolutely amazing. Mad love guys! Stay big 💪🏻
If you're stuck in that 5x5 for 2 years you're not training hard enough.
@@scottydoesntknow254 I don’t think you understood him, he didn’t say he’d been working with that same weight for two straight years, I’m sure he meant he had been training for two years and can so far do 225 for that many
Your not doing something right
I remember when I was born I was breast fed pre workout while benching the hospital
Bruh fisocream was the way, the nurses gave me one spoon consisting on 4000 calories, I benched nuin less than 500 pounds at 1
225 is my max 😑
Mine is 210 😭😂
Max Bahls lol, that's pretty good, I started about a year ago and I'm 190 pounds
Ya I'm 150 and been lifting for like 3 years.
+Max Bahls fuck yea dood
+Max Bahls then you gotta eat more and lift better
4:46 man got left hanging there 😂😂😂😂
1:00 lol... “some guys” most guys. Most guys probably couldn’t do it with 135
Idk how many reps of 135 I can do but it probably isn't 33. My 1rm is 265.
@@5.7hemi79 yes you can, my 1rm is 245 and I can bench 135 for 31 reps
A.L.M.
Arm length matters.
Especially in bench press competition.
Cheers
they should complete on reading the 1st page of Harry Potter and see who can finish the first page the quickest.
Impressive benches. Body builders generally focus more on upper body than football players and utilize more aggressive diets . So it does not surprise me that the bodybuilder won. I suppose that in football you'll find a lot of big squatters and power cleaners especially among linemen and linebackers.
Matchups like this in MMA are usually very interesting too.
Will anyone ever get tested? Is Joel Thomas an actual human being? Which athlete takes more drugs? Find out on the next episode of Bodybuilder vs Football Players!
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but who cares?
All bodybuilders juice...of course they're strong as a horse
+Andrew Solis most football players juice too what's your point?
Steven 45 No they dont
When Joel says count, you count! 💀 everybody started counting immediately
That would have broken the NFL combine record easily.
Would've broken the record for the amount of steroids as well.
Da' Beetus Cat Obviously, but could he excel in football? You dumbfuck
Bubba new flash. A lot of NFL players use steroids also
coug4you could marshawn lynch excel in bodybuilding? You dumbfuck.
collin355 what's a new flash? Also a few take steroids most get caught and are suspended.
Can we do the long jump and 40 next?
haha
Thats exactly the point... well said man.
lol,
I'm seriously trying to think. What possible position in The NFL, MLB, MLS, or NBA would that guy excel at? Place kicker? In the words of Kenny Powers, "I am a real athlete. I am not trying to be the best at exercising". This video is absolutely pointless.
+Ben Lloyd who's ever on more gear wins.
mdiget with t-rex arms...perfect for benching
Nice english skills, dumb fuck.
william randolph bob
No one gives a fuck if you capitalize English pleb
LOOOOL
Yeah I think the football player would have more explosive power on the field or in ANY practical sports situation.
Beckham is a monster. Almost 40 reps at his weight is crazy.
steroids and being 5'7 is a hell of a thing
Joe Redding hel yeah
This book gives step by step directions and it boosted my bench by 100 lbs in 3 months.....and I am an ectomorph
No steroids involved
bit.ly/2IQ8DMJ
You mean suppliments? Vitamins. Eating a lot more than the average human?
joe herman Body types are a myth. The got scientifically disproven years ago. If you want to be big eat big simple as that.
A lot of NFL players are on the juice. Its corrupt as fuck... but hey it brings in the money.
bring in a lineman with some beef.
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+VoiD Unbroken L
Are you dumb af? He broke the NFL combine RECORD. He will smoke all linemen.
+pipi yeah but combine is before their first year in the pros. bring in a lineman who's been working out like a professional the numbers will change
Mark Odum that is my point indeed. A rookie combine record isn't as impressive as some of these linemen should be cranking out after a few years of the pros.
This could only be fair if he went up against and offensive or defensive lineman.
Well, he broke the NFL record by 6 reps.
Combine record, which is much lower than the strongest nfl players(as the combine is for 20-22 year old college kids).
If he went up against a professional lineman, then he'd have trouble beating them. Plus, his arms are short af. He barely has to push up before he extends all the way. I'd say he would be bested by a few lineman.
Shaun Diebel his arms arent short lol his chest and back is just so thick the range has shorten. Id like to see you half rep 225 for 5 reps lol you canr though
I bet that bb guy cant even run a 40 lol ,
At NFL they don't take Anabolic Steroids??
Steroids are at all sports. It's just different Steroids.
Constantinos Spartiatis the testing is much for rigorous...
Test is test
i play chess and i confirm this statement
They do but they don’t train for wights only
With all that money at stake it's hard to believe guys aren't juicing in NFL but the testing is very strict.
That beast is strong enough to literally pull someones head off their body.
Is he fully extending his arms? Guess there is one advantage to having short arms if you bench.
Half extended bench causes more muscle tear meaning a better work out. The main thing you should look for in a bench is if they touch their chest with the bar.
Kirill Sarchev 6'5" tall 738.5lb bench.
samsonpker If you knew anything about benching, you would know that not fully extending puts more work on your muscles. You do not get the rest time of locking your elbows in, these are called half reps and are used to train. So I can see why you think that, but he is putting more strain on his muscles. Not to mention both of them did not fully extend making it fair. Now in PR/WR maxes and what not, you are expected to fully lock it out showing that you can do a full extended motion.
Ur not taking into account the breaks that u get when u lock ur elbows, ur no longer using ur muscle when u lock and ur muscles (even though it is slight) will get a rest period and over 58 reps those small restings will add up. With half reps ur muscles don't get that same rest its constant work. I can definitely see the commonsense argument though, and you would be right if it weren't for so many reps extending fully might do more.
Regardless a bench press full ROM is straight arms down to the chest and back up. Anything else may still be impressive in weight or endurance but dont call it a bench press.
let's line these guys up to run the 40
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+VoiD Unbroken L
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bruh my 40 is like 5.5
I run it in 2.7 myself lol :D
Great work by both guys. Regardless of any comparisons, comments, etc., it was still an impressive display from Terron and Joel.
For all of the negative comments, I would LOVE to see any of you try and rep even half! It would be hilarious to ask the people claiming “steroids”, “gear” and so on to actually explain what it is, does, how it works and so on. A good 90% of those folks only know the word “steroids” but have ZERO clue what any of it definitively means. Once these trolls actually post a video of them benching the same weight for the same amount of reps, then I’ll retract any comment.
Hell, most of those trash talkers would be lucky to pull off 3.9 push-ups! 😂
I would love to get to 8 reps lol. These guys are ridiculously strong
Kyle Bryson I would love to get to 1 lol
If you started lifting in 5th grade your bones and joints would be used to the trauma it’s not just strength it’s endurance for the stress your body is under
*****
Just take gear, you'll be there in six months.
I was playing sports and enjoying the outdoors...simple shit. Who the fuck in the right mind would give a shit about working out in the 5th grade lol come on...unless you have some ego gym rat dad that failed in his goal to be the guy that can lift the world yet cant put a fucking shirt on lol...feel sorry for both sides.
315x33 rep wtfffffffffff?
gear or not that's fucking impressive stop talking shit people
DANG DANG DANG!!! Both dudes are beasts!
Football players laughing all the way to the bank...oh yeah while scratching their backs. Something those bodybuilders only dream about.
Shout out to Black Broly
SAIYAN ARMY!!!
I've been around bodybuilding for just over a decade and 225lbs for 58 reps is damn impressive, never seen that many
That is a lot to do. I was able to go from 100-295 in the space of a year with 25 max reps and I thought that I was the bomb. These guys are ridiculous!
1. There's no chance that you increased your bench from 100 to 295 in a year.
2. If you really could bench 225 for 25 reps, your max would be way more than 295.
@@tjcogger1974What I said was a true and factual statement. I do remember using the Smith machine once I hit 225 lbs for safety, as well as being looked at like some sort of genetic freak as I climbed up the ladder with the amount of weight I was pressing. My goal was to hit 330 lbs (my body weight) for 20 reps by the end of a year for my lifelong personal best. I don’t know if periodic moments in my life of weight training for about 20+ years before this helped me, but it was very sporadic for a couple of months at a time at best. Plus genetically I probably had an upper hand being physically stronger naturally than my peers while growing up. Even now if it wasn’t for all my health issues I’d likely do well if I were able to focus on training again. Have a good day! 👋
@@KalElKentPhoto The Smith machine isn't a bench press.
Most i ever benched was 315×25 and 315 for 15 set of 8..I was taking sustenon 250 and anavar tabs..loved that stack .Damn i miss those days..
My PR is 225lbs and was proud, they handle this how I handle 95lbs rip
What about now
I know the feeling
@@oldschoolbussdrive happy to say as of yesterday I finally benched 3 plates
@@matthewgonzalez9537 nice bro good to hear 👍
Now do a 40 yard dash Noel 🤧
You must be mad because these boys were white and physically stronger.
different sports
PHFATT KCOBRA the world record bencher is black tho
@@bigbert6435 hell yeah
Floka Flame nobody said anything about this guy being the world record holder for bench press so your comment is invalid
I can only do 80 pounds for 3 reps. Working toward 100.
I curl that everytime I take a piss...
My 11 year old cousin benches more than you.
John RUclips - four 10# weights on each side hits 80#.... ?
Not everyone has full blown Ivanko weight sets laying around. A lot of guys, especially younger guys just starting out, get whatever weights they can off of friends, family members, and Craigslist. Many of these people aren't going to have 45lb plates, nor anything over 25lbs for the most part.
So, it's entirely possible he's pushing 80lbs.
John RUclips - This might be more specific for you:
2.5|15|-------Bar-------|15|2.5
There ya go bud, 80lbs... And Don't even start with the "buy you're forgetting the weight of the collars" bullshit... You get the point.
John Deere LMFAOOO
Joel is also one of the nicest guys you can meet. In high school he had arms that most men would dream of having. Good dude 👍🏼💪🏽
Half assed reps? Come on. Full extension
My first thought when they started pressing. I can't bench 225 with any form but if I was benching what I do bench I bet I could add 20% to stop at 20 degree elbows every rep
Exactly they are all partials, I’ve never been real strong but did about 25 to full lock and way slower in my 30s. Not overly impressed with these half ass reps either.
Lmao none of you are very intelligent about lifting, locking out is hard on joints and actually stops the tension on the muscles. Meaning, locking out is BAD stop that shit.
I was watching and counting out loud too... 'zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, ...' ; no, I can't do better/more than either of these guys... but I got to 18 or so with no bouncing off the chest and nigh fully stretched arms; no, not 'locking' the elbows as in beyond 180 degrees, which some seem to think is what's needed to call it 'locked out' either
🤣🤣🤣 do you know Westside Barbell right? I watch videos guys in that gym do bench....fast reps this is how we do reps....
Always thought the short armed guys could bench like a MF!
Lol you noticed how short his arms were too by his short reps. I was like wtf lol
Short arms and huge chest making the ROM short
58 times was for 225lbs was incredible, Great Job!!!
Not for a guy sticking a needle in his ass quit turning a blind eye to this there are young males watching reading this they may think that if they work hard enough they can be that big. What in the hell is wrong with this every responsible adult should not be condoning what this guy did he is a bodybuilder. Kids bodybuilding has turned a blind eye to HGH test and horse drugs in their sport. Mr. O for the last 40 years is juiced you do not get that big. They cycle on and off they go to other countries to train wink wink. This is not a man to look up to get off this channel and it is hard but look up natural bodybuilding if they have it. The reason I am so upset is when I was a young cop I had been lifting weight for football for years. One of my friends started working out with me and was getting upset that I was lifting heavier and bigger and I told him it takes time. I knew a guy that own a supplement shop and he would give cops a discount and I knew he was on the juice but he lived outside the city. I introduced my friend to him knowing that he was on juice never thinking that my friend would try taking it but he I noticed he caught me and went right on by me. I asked him what are you taking and he told me I warned him that shit will catch up with your ass when you get older. Well he had a stroke on a traffic stop and almost died. It would of never happened if I did not send him to the wolves den.
Wayne brown Stfu, people are entitled to their own decisions you don't make the decisions for them idiot and you don't have to judge them either. My god you anti steroid people are so full of yourselves
wayne brown Jesus Christ shut the fuck up lmao
joseph Adams Implying that NFL players don’t take steroids? Lmao
joseph Adams You are delusional. At least half of the NFL is using HGH or test and their coaches are very aware. And no, using PED’s wont magically allow you to put up 225 for 50 reps or make you a pro bodybuilder. Idk what fantasy world you’re living in but there’s tons of of people taking steroids who look like shit and aren’t strong lol
Still to this day one of my favorite videos
Nobody:
People in the comments:
When I was 11 and 90lbs I was puttin up about 315 for like 30 reps, wasn’t that hard
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they locked their arms out about 2 times that whole video
And chest bounced about 70 times
How Diificult is 59 reps,with those Raptor Arms! The Weight is only going 6in from his Chest .
Tyrannosaurus arms
thats why hes an ifbb bro lmao short dudes have great genetics for muscle
Bodybuilders live for this
Wow...58 CC's err! I mean 58 REPS! for the BodyBuilder guy!
I'd rather put up 39 reps and look like an athlete than a short armed beef cake
This made me laugh so hard.
Im rolling on the floor at this lmfao!!
😂agreed
+Travis Phillippi But you look like neither and are proably fat as shit.
Don't worry... You couldn't look like that
put Mike O'Hearn there, he will replace that shit like for 100
I think mike had done 315×30 on incline or some crazy shit
For sure, he is always on beast mode
Or levrone
+DJ Bama Maybe he will try and sell them some ducks embryo or that frog bullshit. Cant believe people follow that guy.
what do u mean? he does NOT sell any supps!!! besides the one he actually YES has, i think it's a Rejuvenation stuff or something!! but he is the only Popular Famous PRO who does NOT sell any other supps.....
Aaaaand!.... now for the much-awaited World's Most Pointless Comparison!
First guy didn't even remotely lock out
Cory Evans Seriously those were half reps.
First guy? What about the second I think he didn't come close toocking out for half his reps
Locking out isn’t really necessary if your doing high reps
Ideally you want to go just short of locking out. Locking out gives you a chance to rest. When you go just short you are keeping constant tension
I'd like to see how they match up in a 40 yard dash or vertical jump. haha
Exactly.
I can bench this multiple time, no probs, hold my bear, cigarette and lack of confidence...
Football player's demands are different of those than bodybuilders ' demands
With steroids = 58. Without steroids = 8.
+joe louden do you even know what forgotten means lol
+joe louden and no you dont
Henrik .G I'm a pharmaceutical sales rep, the son and grandson of a pharmacist, and my wife is a physician, so, yes, I do.
+joe louden do you even lift hater
Henrik .G No. I stopped 5 years ago after lifting nearly non-stop from age 16 through age 45 (injuries). Sold my Olympic weights, bench, and dumbells to the neighbor kid.
Do you even juice bro?
lots of that going on here at least for the bodybuilders
Body builders are not athletes. They're just roid junkies.
Either juice a bit and play a legit sport or go home.
Most body builders don't have the lungs or heart to be on a field of play and put their muscles to any use.
What's the point of being just a roided up body builder?
Anonymous DueToFascists Some want to look aesthetic
Arms have to lockout at the combine.
They don't seem to enforce from what I've seen. Locking out can really destroy the back/shoulder positioning.
trn450 is correct. Watch combine vids. They hardly every enforce it. To properly enforce the lockout it would require a pause, and a pause would make it impossible to compare future candidates to previous candidates.
HAHAHAHA!!! 😠
Locking out ruins your joints so that's a really stupid rule.
It's actually harder to not lock out, your keeping the stress/tension on the muscle the entire time
Larry Wheels : see this video
Also Larry Wheels : hold my dumbells
The. Bodybuilders ROM was half of the footy player. Still super impressive though
Who else already knows terron from gokuflex?
Of course he's going to out lift the football player. The bodybuilder does nothing but lift weights.
Exactly. Put him out on the football field to see how fast or mobile he is.
I’m 6’6, with a lot of real estate to cover on the way up. I got 225 for 19 reps a couple of times never could hit 20. A few years later I was bigger but I never tried it again but I figured that was good enough but these guys are amazing.
I am the same height and just hit 14 today. I am so pumped. I am still new to lifting. Can't wait till I get to 20. Do you think it is possible in 5 months? So far I've been lifting light because I don't have a spotter here in Chile. The most I've ever tried was 275. Would you recommend I lift heavier or bang out reps with 225? Thanks!
now this is what im talking about. Real benching. No crazy stupid arc in your back. Full range of motion not some bullshit 3 inch from the chest that all these new fake lifters are doing. This is the real deal.
***** how you mean.
Pretty sure bending your spine into a McDonald's arch while trying to lift 400 pounds is not good for any of those bones or joints either. I hate that trend too.
***** That's a fair statement, your original reply to him made it sound like you were talking about his main point, the massive back arches that men and women both do in competitive and even just casual benching.
***** Oh ok victor I got a little confused by your first comment. thought you were trolling me lmao
it's not a trend it's a powerlifting technique mostly girls use so they don't have to bring. The bar to the chest just saying then there's the wuss guys that use it too.
Let’s watch the bodybuilders play football now 😂
So sick of commenters here....these people do strength trainning for living; they're pro and people still think they dont know how to bench 🤣🤣🤣....I guess most of them go to Planet Fitness
i weigh 165lb and max I can bench is 120 lb 12 reps. how much more should I work up to in order to be considered "fit"?
So yeah let's not worry about full extension on this competition. And steroids are not to be tested for...
Lol both of them are on gear, who cares anyway? Steroids are some magical fucking potion? They put in hundreds of hours at the gym and intake 2 times as much food as the normal person to get what they desire. Don't shake it because the media makes steroids a frowned upon thing
+Peacey Yes, actually. Steroids are actually a magical potion. It's banned for a reason.
+captainvlog youre a sheep. Get educated on the shit before you think so negatively of them
+Peacey wow you're desparate to call people sheep aren't you? You mad bro? Did somebody make fun of you and make the little baby inside you angry? Steroids are obvious performance enhancers, and as the guy who wrote the original thread pointed out, a guy who takes steroids is competing against a guy who doesn't. It's not a fair competition.
NFL has rules on performance enhancers.
I just shoveled 59 spoons of cereal on in my mouth, other than the weight & shame do I win something?
Cool video but kinda lame with the whole "another Combine Record broken" stuff. The NFL Combine is for college kids aged 20-22...not near peak physical strength. A better comparison would be a 5-7 year NFL vet. Larry Allen once did 315 lbs 43 times. But he was also 300+ lbs. Its really apples to oranges. Let's see Joel Thomas run a 4.47 40 yard dash....wouldn't sniff it. That's what Beckham ran at his pro day. Like I said, apples and oranges
Exactly. Plus Allen couldbmax bench 700 I remember hearing. That's top tier shit.
James Rogers Lmao Allen's 700 lb bench was a circus stunt.
Silver Warrior spotters or not it was very impressive. He did 635 675 then 700. He was one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL making millions. Do u really expect no spotters ?
James Rogers I'm not denying his NFL ability, what I am saying is that his bench was not even close to a legit rep. He was strong no doubt, but definitely not a 700 lb bencher.
Silver Warrior coming from a guy behind his keyboard probably eating a hot pocket .lol
My best with 225 is 13. Doesn't sound like much, but all to lockout and no bounce. Broken sternum, so I won't take the risk. Still, both of these guys, that's ridiculous power.
Castleberry rep this for 72
dead XD
Dem helium plates doe. His real gains are from holding the bar from floating away
Anthony Gutierrez Larry did 75. With real weight
Easilyyyy
at least the football player isn't dying before 40😈
my best was 225 for 18-20 reps.. at 220lb weight class. now I'm all fucked up..can't even lift 225 anymore...
ultimate Warrior join the club!!🤣🤣🤣
yea same here my best was 225 for 19 and a 350 bench for a max @220bw. try a closer grip or arch your upper back to keep your shoulders healthy.
ultimate Warrior same here i got injured so badly I'm a pussy now
225 for 22 reps was my best .....20years ago....
never worked out at 16 pressed 300# 5 times ,just born strong , as a kid just never sat still always outside playing .first 5 years keep sons moving . life long . the boy will always have a advantage of other guys
They were both great to watch! Thanks gentlemen!!!
I love how they are saying Terron is a football player lol😂 he never played after HS!
What???
Terron Beckham failed to lockout on almost every rep at east 95% of the 38 reps. This allowed him to do probably 4 or 6 additional reps. Still very impressive.
listen not one of these guys mentioned arm length trust that makes a world of diffrence
rafael torres jr its the bench plat form wider scapula needs a wider platform. I'm 6'5 and I had a bench with a 2" wider back rest than gym bench I was always 35lbs weaker on average at gym with same weights and bar. That's the disadvantage with tall lifters. If a taller man had his feet the same width as a shorter guy on squats how would he fair? Makes sense right?
I knew a 6'8 powerlifter explained it to me. He would focus on his squats and reads to compensate for over all weight in comp.
In germany every second guy is above 6"4 and no one is complaining.
Sir Francis Drake its because its the standard bench for events hence the world is accomodating for AVERAGE!
Its common physics.
It seems like it would help to have shorter arms but I spoke with a former body builder and gym owner of them gym I went to and he was 60 at the time, very cool guy he said short or long arms it doesn't matter the muscle runs the length of the bone it's on giving basically the same leverage however he did tell me if someone has exceptionally wide shoulders and relatively short arms that's the best combo for shorter press but you can comfortably take a wide grip, but genetics of muscle tissue plays the biggest part naturally, but the one guy is obviously on alot of juice and the other guys probably on a lean gain steroid like tren.
I seen my boss in 1992 bench 405 20 reps non stop, he was a power lifter and had his own business building exercise equipment, 5'-8" Adonis look, HUGE ARMS. It was impressive to me
405 20 reps CAP AF
i feel like the man when i do 4 reps...
That was hilarious 315 33 times I squat that like in a week.
Could've cut the first 2 minutes and 20 seconds from this
the difference between football players and body builders is football players all test for speed, agility, vert jumps. I bet if they tested for all that the body builder wouldn't be in the same league.
kassaiscool I think you would be surprised by the agilty and speed of a bodybuilder.
These guys aren't lifting the bar ALL the way up.
So technically you can bench more than them
lol I'm 155 and my max is 205. These guys unreal
Daniel Williams if you can bench more than your weight that is very good.
Steroids make the difference.
i was 194 and benched 410. Once.
Im170 and my Max is 290
milan kozak no wayyy maybe around 408 or 409 but you didn’t get 410 you lying fuck
So you don't have to lock out your elbows?
onelegorg you generally don't want to lock any part of your body. It increases risk of injury to your joints
Chocolate Tickle I mean that's sorta true but u still havto finish your reps
onelegorg fuck of with that..lol
Jason Genova he is askin. A question not making a statement I have the same question... which nobody answered
Brian Teskey first guy fully extended the press around 5 times. Second guy maybe the same. So in my book they both did 5 reps that should count toward a total. One major plus though is neither were doing bounce presses that I saw
4:38 look at Beckham tryna shake his hand 😂😂