I remember when Scorpion had 4/5 top 8 placements at CEO, but because he didn't land 1st place, it was seen as "See, he isn't that good, what is all the complaining about?"
same thing happened to diddy kong in ssb4. had nothing but hella high tier placements but most tournaments were won by sheik or rosalina so ppl were convinced he wasn’t broken
I’ve never seen 1 patch completely slaughter a single character more than that Scorpion patch. That’s the fastest I’ve seen a character flip from top to bottom
Scorpion in the first Injustice has to be the most egregious nerf for sure. One month, broken beyond belief and then a month later, gutted like a fish.
Doesn't really surprise me. If I were Time Warner, inaugurating what was clearly intended to be a new series built around TW intellectual property and some sort of multimedia event... and then the Mortal Kombat character becomes all anyone can talk about in word-of-mouth for the new game... I would elbow NRS hard in the ribs. Maybe that happened
I actually remember giving Injustice 2 a chance because I thought Deadshot's trailer looked cool. Then I played the game at launch as him, and was hated by everyone until I stopped wanting to play, lol.
@@faLLen_Apollyon23 There was more than that. Her d1 was increased to 9 frames on startup. It's hard to get pressure off you when that's your fastest crouching move. She had another nerf, I can't remember what.
The idea that a game had a competitive scene but no one knew what frame data was, where as all the other popular fighting games have been talking about frames for god knows how long is kind of hilarious.
Geras is an interesting one though. Even after the nerfs he received, till this day he plays MK11 very well. Yes, he was used a lot less in tournament but he’s still solid. Btw, I really liked this video man👍🏻 I’d love to see a video about most significant buffs in Mortal kombat games. Doesn’t mean that characters shot up to top tier but they were helped drastically. Just some ideas top of my head: Injustice1 Bane venom buff reworked to add armor to specials, which would carry over to Inj2 Commando Kano’s new 22 string and b14 MB launcher in MKX . MKX Takeda gaps in his mid strings reworked MkX Jason dmg buff reworked to break armor. Mk11 Kollektor changes to 44 string Mk11 Kano changes to f12b2 string, changes to chemical burn Mk11 Noobs low slide buff
Mk11 sonya also was sad. She was so cool in the early days then died after early nerfs, even took life away from her and never gave it back. And yeah they hit supergirl pretty hard.
0:58 I'm gonna stop you right there, it's MK11 Geras. He got nerfed EVERY. SINGLE. PATCH. All of them. There is no way there's a character with more nerfs by pure numbers. It's Geras, hands down. And all they were able to do was drop him from +S to +A. He was THAT fundamentally solid and played MK1 that well. And of kourse, who kould forget the nerfs that accidentally buffed him, like the infamous change to sandtrap's KB requirement that allowed you to effectively get it on kommand whenever you wanted rather than it being in your opponent's kontrol? Very fitting for the reanimating strongman!
Did you watch the part where he says that this is not a top about the most nerfed characters, right? And also, did you watch the part where he says that Geras was being nerfed in every single patch in one way or another?
I think Kung Jin Bojutsu would’ve been worth mentioning. He went from literally number one in MKX (half the Fatal 8 tournament was bojutsu Kung Jin) to bottom 5 in the game.
If different versions of the same game count, I would argue the nerfs to Sean Matsuda from SF3 Second Impact to Third Strike give Injustice Scorpion's title of most nerfed character in fighting game history a run for its money. Grabted, he didn't receive as many nerfs as Scorpion did, but the ones he got were way worse than anything NRS did to Hanzo. I'm talking bs on the level of removing the ability to combo from one of his specials, making a projectile super's start up so slow that opponents could react to the screen freeze and flash effect with a jump in and punish it, and, I'm not making this up, having one of his specials be unsafe *on hit.* Some people who only played Third Strike used to think he was designed as a joke or meme character, when it fact he had been the undisputed best character in the game a version prior.
@lordflashheart3741 It was always up for debate. If you look up different tier lists for the game, it's either Akuma, Ibuki, or Sean at the top. Imo Sean deserves #1 simply because Akuma has the health of a mosquito, and Ibuki takes actual skill to play.
Wasn't there an MKX major where something like 6 players out of the top 8 were using Kobu-jutsu Tanya? Then one patch later we almost never saw Tanya again.
i mained deadshot in injustice 2 and picked up supergirl because that matchup was so bad and figured i'd fare better in a mirror, then deadshot got nerfed about 80 times and i was like "i guess i'll just play supergirl now" but i always missed deadshot and was sad that he got decimated
While not devastating, alien’s acidic variation definitely did take some harsh nerfs. She went from unfair to being a very strong character, but not cruel to go against.
To be honest 1:13 is the reason why the tourney scene can be kind of repetitive since you usually see the same characters over and over again. Its rare if anyone picks a character they actually like.
Let's not forget deadshot also had really stupid mix ups that could lead to combos. A common complaint was he had too good of a close range game for how good his zoning was.
MK9 Kano brings back memories. I was a Kano main and he was an absolute beast online. MK9 was something special. My online Ranked record was like 700/150
While people would probably call it a buff, I mained cryo sub zero in MKX and the last major patch removed his ice knives and added it to a dbf command grab, it absolutely ruined the character and in turn the entire game for me. I was pretty devastated. (I cannot consistently do dbf command grabs) Still MK11 as a day one jax main he basically never got any nerfs. They made his gotcha no longer allow you to take time and they turned his superman FB into a high rather than being a mid, that is it. One of the most balanced characters in the game.
I don’t think I ever saw such a brutal fall from grace quite like what happened to Injustice Scorpion. I get he was strong early on, but I feel they went a bit far.
As a casual Deadshot player, i just think he has some cool looking combos and like his character here. And not just zoning i mean like actual combos he and Dr Fate are just stylish for no reason
Geras remained broken despite all the ‘nerfes’. His broken d1 was free to mash against almost all the characters, its 6 frames startup was the issue, not the recovery frames in any way
Deadshot and Superman in injustice 2 genuinely made me question nrs’ ability to make a game. I genuinely adore injustice 2 but I can’t understand how they thought the zoning in the game was acceptable. Injustice 2 was the first fighting game I ever went “pro” with. I won an injustice gods among us tournament, I have a lot of love for the franchise but the zoning is unforgivable bruh.
I understand that money is on the line and to NOT pick these characters when your opponents will be is putting yourself at a disadvantage... But it just goes to show that people will always flock to the most braindead, overpowered character. The ONLY time I accept the strength of a character is when they are difficult to use. I remember being so pissed off at all the Kabals in MK9 that I decided to try him out. He was HARD to use. I kinda shut my mouth after that.
So, I'm ignorant here, but when he says Scorpion was hard to block, did Injustice not function on block button? Couldn't you just hold high block and auto turn around?
Injustice was a back to block game. You could block by holding neutral crouch as well, but scorpion had a lot of instant overheads pre-patch, so you had to block either side.
I'm comment number 11 and like number 101 so please answer this question for me. What the background music track in this video? It's hitting me hard in the nostalgic part of my brain but I can't place it beyond a ps1 ps2 era game, maybe Marvel vs Capcom or something. Anyways, Please tell me. Huge fan of your channel and FGC tournament commentry .
I don’t understand the point of nerfing or balancing or buffing a video game / specifically a fighting video game character. At zooms point just go have a real life fight. Fights aren’t inherently fair.
Well now you know what you’ve gotta do.
Characters Who became way stronger AFTER a buff
Mk11 Kano.
Mk11 Kotal
MKX Mileena and Kitana getting numerous buffs per patch was aids lol
Mkx takeda/kung lao
MK11 Shao Khan
Scorpion did his job in Injustice. Sold DLC like nuts and then nerfed after the quota was met.
Every dev does this, they make the new characters OP so seeing it makes you want to buy the DLC then nerf them later.
I remember when Scorpion had 4/5 top 8 placements at CEO, but because he didn't land 1st place, it was seen as "See, he isn't that good, what is all the complaining about?"
same thing happened to diddy kong in ssb4. had nothing but hella high tier placements but most tournaments were won by sheik or rosalina so ppl were convinced he wasn’t broken
Same thing is happening nowadays with Ramlethal in Strive.
Has the tools to win a major tournament, has yet to win one.
Poor Slips, he got robbed of a character haha
@@basedpliskinoh man, diddy kong hoo hah. Such a classic
I’ve never seen 1 patch completely slaughter a single character more than that Scorpion patch. That’s the fastest I’ve seen a character flip from top to bottom
I’d say he’s switch tier
@@5higuyterrible quote, don’t talk anymore please
They gave scorpion the kane treatment.
@@MaacMaliceMMA yes it is!
Scorpion in the first Injustice has to be the most egregious nerf for sure. One month, broken beyond belief and then a month later, gutted like a fish.
😂
Doesn't really surprise me. If I were Time Warner, inaugurating what was clearly intended to be a new series built around TW intellectual property and some sort of multimedia event... and then the Mortal Kombat character becomes all anyone can talk about in word-of-mouth for the new game... I would elbow NRS hard in the ribs. Maybe that happened
I actually remember giving Injustice 2 a chance because I thought Deadshot's trailer looked cool. Then I played the game at launch as him, and was hated by everyone until I stopped wanting to play, lol.
Lol, I literally remember you because of the pfp with the checkboard pattern, hope you keep making cool videos dude
I want to play fighting games not call of duty. Deadshot was just terrible.
I think MK 1 Sbuzero should've been included in the list 'cause after the release of the game, NRS butchered the character
The oddest thing is that he wasn't THAT good to have nerfs in the first place
The only other character I’m aware of that’s been gutted as badly as IJ Scorp is probably Sean from Street Fighter 2nd impact going into 3rd Strike
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Good statment
Scorpion got the Blizzard treatment
What a way to describe a downfall I love it
Or the Valve treatment.
Not that Valve has fallen off, but that Valve nerfed TF2 weapons into nearly unusable tiers.
He got that Sean Matsuda nerf
I remember what a sad day it was when Supergirl got nerfed. One of the rare instances where I dropped a character because of nerfs.
You mean the walking laser nerf?
@@faLLen_Apollyon23 There was more than that. Her d1 was increased to 9 frames on startup. It's hard to get pressure off you when that's your fastest crouching move. She had another nerf, I can't remember what.
I love how, when they Specify NRS instead of MK, you know Injustice is coming up
The idea that a game had a competitive scene but no one knew what frame data was, where as all the other popular fighting games have been talking about frames for god knows how long is kind of hilarious.
I'm here to once again Request Competitive history of Liu Kang
Meanwhile, Jason and Tremor just chilling seeing the nerf chaos
Geras is an interesting one though. Even after the nerfs he received, till this day he plays MK11 very well. Yes, he was used a lot less in tournament but he’s still solid.
Btw, I really liked this video man👍🏻
I’d love to see a video about most significant buffs in Mortal kombat games.
Doesn’t mean that characters shot up to top tier but they were helped drastically.
Just some ideas top of my head:
Injustice1 Bane venom buff reworked to add armor to specials, which would carry over to Inj2
Commando Kano’s new 22 string and b14 MB launcher in MKX .
MKX Takeda gaps in his mid strings reworked
MkX Jason dmg buff reworked to break armor.
Mk11 Kollektor changes to 44
string
Mk11 Kano changes to f12b2 string, changes to chemical burn
Mk11 Noobs low slide buff
Geras also was the only character who has his MOVEMENT nerfed. Ouch. 😂
Great video ggs
A little surprised MKX Alien wasn’t mentioned
Isn't Xenomorph still in top tier after the patches?
Maybe the nerfs weren't that devastating. Acidic is still solid, but Alien mains usually go for Konjurer nowadays.
I probably should have specified the Acidic variation. It may not have been the wildest patch, but the drop of Acidic players was wild
Alien was still good, people mostly dropped alien because alien being broken was the ONLY reason they used the character
Mk11 sonya also was sad. She was so cool in the early days then died after early nerfs, even took life away from her and never gave it back. And yeah they hit supergirl pretty hard.
0:58 I'm gonna stop you right there, it's MK11 Geras. He got nerfed EVERY. SINGLE. PATCH. All of them. There is no way there's a character with more nerfs by pure numbers. It's Geras, hands down.
And all they were able to do was drop him from +S to +A. He was THAT fundamentally solid and played MK1 that well. And of kourse, who kould forget the nerfs that accidentally buffed him, like the infamous change to sandtrap's KB requirement that allowed you to effectively get it on kommand whenever you wanted rather than it being in your opponent's kontrol? Very fitting for the reanimating strongman!
Did you watch the part where he says that this is not a top about the most nerfed characters, right? And also, did you watch the part where he says that Geras was being nerfed in every single patch in one way or another?
I think Kung Jin Bojutsu would’ve been worth mentioning. He went from literally number one in MKX (half the Fatal 8 tournament was bojutsu Kung Jin) to bottom 5 in the game.
You forgot to mention the Mk1 Subzero
I sorta thought MK9 Sub got done even dirtier.
I almost forgot how beast-like Geras was in MK11..
You guys are always posting interesting MK content
Love looking at these had no idea during mkx and games b4 and the changes
Shao Kahn has FIVE L’s throughout just MK1 alone absolutely ridiculous
If different versions of the same game count, I would argue the nerfs to Sean Matsuda from SF3 Second Impact to Third Strike give Injustice Scorpion's title of most nerfed character in fighting game history a run for its money.
Grabted, he didn't receive as many nerfs as Scorpion did, but the ones he got were way worse than anything NRS did to Hanzo.
I'm talking bs on the level of removing the ability to combo from one of his specials, making a projectile super's start up so slow that opponents could react to the screen freeze and flash effect with a jump in and punish it, and, I'm not making this up, having one of his specials be unsafe *on hit.*
Some people who only played Third Strike used to think he was designed as a joke or meme character, when it fact he had been the undisputed best character in the game a version prior.
Pretty sure he wasn't the best character in 2I. Top 3, sure, but I would argue Akuma was even more ridiculous.
@lordflashheart3741 It was always up for debate. If you look up different tier lists for the game, it's either Akuma, Ibuki, or Sean at the top. Imo Sean deserves #1 simply because Akuma has the health of a mosquito, and Ibuki takes actual skill to play.
This one must have required some serious research to get specifics on patches and community reactions going back over ten years. Great video!
Wasn't there an MKX major where something like 6 players out of the top 8 were using Kobu-jutsu Tanya? Then one patch later we almost never saw Tanya again.
Can’t believe they nerfed IJ Scorpion and Deadahot but left Martian Manhunter and Starfire the same
Adjustments can be changed to appearing with Kano and characters to appearing at the tournament appearance
You forgot about Sonya in MK11
Good old Somberness. The legend. I miss MK9.
i mained deadshot in injustice 2 and picked up supergirl because that matchup was so bad and figured i'd fare better in a mirror, then deadshot got nerfed about 80 times and i was like "i guess i'll just play supergirl now" but i always missed deadshot and was sad that he got decimated
I hope to see competitive history of Shang Tsung some day.
8:53 The Nerf-ening!
While not devastating, alien’s acidic variation definitely did take some harsh nerfs. She went from unfair to being a very strong character, but not cruel to go against.
Love seeing Injustice getting some attention! Keep up the great videos!
To be honest 1:13 is the reason why the tourney scene can be kind of repetitive since you usually see the same characters over and over again. Its rare if anyone picks a character they actually like.
Flame Fist Liu Kang with armored EX FBF4 and shaolin flame cancel without meter 🤤 good old times
It’s crazy too that flame fist is like top 3-5
Let's not forget deadshot also had really stupid mix ups that could lead to combos. A common complaint was he had too good of a close range game for how good his zoning was.
MK9 Kano brings back memories. I was a Kano main and he was an absolute beast online. MK9 was something special. My online Ranked record was like 700/150
Somewhere, Tom Brady is seething over the overlooked day 1 patch that killed sub zero's B2 reset in Mk9
While people would probably call it a buff, I mained cryo sub zero in MKX and the last major patch removed his ice knives and added it to a dbf command grab, it absolutely ruined the character and in turn the entire game for me. I was pretty devastated. (I cannot consistently do dbf command grabs)
Still MK11 as a day one jax main he basically never got any nerfs. They made his gotcha no longer allow you to take time and they turned his superman FB into a high rather than being a mid, that is it.
One of the most balanced characters in the game.
what song is this at 0:13
White Field from Fighting EX Layer
Injustice Scorpion was basically erased out of existence lol
15:18 MK1 Sub Zero's felt that
I think characters get heavily nerfed when their strengths are showcased in either tournaments or online matches
I don’t think I ever saw such a brutal fall from grace quite like what happened to Injustice Scorpion.
I get he was strong early on, but I feel they went a bit far.
As a casual Deadshot player, i just think he has some cool looking combos and like his character here. And not just zoning i mean like actual combos he and Dr Fate are just stylish for no reason
I’ve never zoned with deadshot I’m a rush down type of player and that hasn’t failed with him
Nerfs create nostalgia.
Geras remained broken despite all the ‘nerfes’. His broken d1 was free to mash against almost all the characters, its 6 frames startup was the issue, not the recovery frames in any way
Cryomancer sub in mkx?
i know a character who was horribly nerfed, not gameplay/damage output-wise, but more so designwise
What about Alien? They nerfed him so bad that now he is almost unviable, EVERYTHING he has is unsafe and they took his armor that made him good
Deadshot and Superman in injustice 2 genuinely made me question nrs’ ability to make a game. I genuinely adore injustice 2 but I can’t understand how they thought the zoning in the game was acceptable. Injustice 2 was the first fighting game I ever went “pro” with. I won an injustice gods among us tournament, I have a lot of love for the franchise but the zoning is unforgivable bruh.
I understand that money is on the line and to NOT pick these characters when your opponents will be is putting yourself at a disadvantage...
But it just goes to show that people will always flock to the most braindead, overpowered character. The ONLY time I accept the strength of a character is when they are difficult to use. I remember being so pissed off at all the Kabals in MK9 that I decided to try him out. He was HARD to use. I kinda shut my mouth after that.
As soon as you mentioned deadshot i nearly choked on my soup!!!😨
Damn,still remember how they cut my Scorpion...poor Hanzo
hmm I feel like Johnny or Jacqui is gonna be mentioned
Haven’t watched yet but no way Demolition Sonya isn’t on here
Crazy Kano ball
I would say mkx tanya and Quan chi also had many many nerfs that were huge
whats the music playing during the kano segment?
Nice vid Ketchup
I thought Mk11 Sheeva would be here. They murdered that character
Great NRS signatures 👌 👏 this title tells me all the fun characters NRS has killed
Erron black in both games he has been is has been abused by nerfs compared to his day 1 releases.
The biggest nerf though bar none is Shinnok. Going from literally untouchable to…..yeah…
Are there dramatic buffs?
TO THIS DAY!!!!
So, I'm ignorant here, but when he says Scorpion was hard to block, did Injustice not function on block button? Couldn't you just hold high block and auto turn around?
Injustice was a back to block game. You could block by holding neutral crouch as well, but scorpion had a lot of instant overheads pre-patch, so you had to block either side.
Competitive history of Scorpion!
Mk1 peacemaker should make it in here lmao.
At least some of them are still fun to use in single player.
Can you do Amazing Buffs next?
I imagined mk11 Sonya would've been in the video
Great vid
Well, Geras did fell from grace, but like from Top 3 to Top 5?
Geras was in no top 5's by the end of MK11.
what about sheeva’s stomp nerf in mk11? 😭😭 no one has ever used her again after that
Was honestly expecting Acidic Alien for MKX, best character in the game became instantly irrelevant after 1 patch
I'm comment number 11 and like number 101 so please answer this question for me. What the background music track in this video? It's hitting me hard in the nostalgic part of my brain but I can't place it beyond a ps1 ps2 era game, maybe Marvel vs Capcom or something. Anyways, Please tell me. Huge fan of your channel and FGC tournament commentry .
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Guess I'm gonna play it now. Thank You@@PNDKM
I miss MKX. I wish it still had side events, such an insane game.
Too broken kombos
Mk11 Sheeva comes to mind
Mk11 Geras was so badass
Didn’t people boo a tournament player because they chose Deadshot? Or am I mistaking Deadshot for a different character
Sub-Zero UMK3, Sub-Zero MK9, Sub-Zero MKX, Sub-Zero MK1.
Kan y'all please make a Kompetitive History of Scorpion 🦂? 👊🏻🎮🐉🦂🦂🦂✌🏻
Damn feels good to be early
Peacemaker can join this list now
I was just thinking that lol
Sonya mk11 killed me bruh
Would of loved to see Freddy Kruger
Before watching I’m gonna guess
Acidic alien
Inj 2 deadshot
I thought I would see MKX Tanya ...
Oh, well ..
No MK1 gameplay??????? Shocking honestly
Nobody has been nerfed like that yet.
Mk9 kano ABSOLUTELY deserved to be nerfed even harder than that
They hit the Quan :(
HM : Inj2 Aquaman
I don’t understand the point of nerfing or balancing or buffing a video game / specifically a fighting video game character. At zooms point just go have a real life fight. Fights aren’t inherently fair.
Before I see the video.
Injustice 2 Aquaman.