Disliking garbage doesn't mean you are inherently conservative. Depsite how much these people online will call anyone with a slight disagreement far right extremists.
Actually yes it does. Left and right aren't gradients anymore, the right is a gradient and the left is a solid block colour, so there are certain levels one can be right wing, but on the left if you disagree, even slightly, you are on the right wing. And so if the left says "X is the greatest thing ever because it has muh diversity" and you say "I don't enjoy X only because I find the gameplay clunky and the graphics horrid" you then instantly fall on the right wing gradient. I'm sorry but demanding quality when you are told you should demand equality, is right wing, welcome to the club.
not at all...to have quality, you need to have the belief that quality is subjective. this of course goes past simple morality all the way to perceptions of quality and work ethic. the leftist (if consistent in their standards...which they aren't LOL) only sees what favors their selfish perception of what is good. objective truth to them is a weapon, not a standard to be held to. it's the root of their points about AI art, it's the root of their perspective on quality, it's the root of what they deem acceptable. it's all based on their own pride and prejudice. this was always what leftist though was about, the more leftward your stance, the less compromise you were willing to accept in that perception. that is what this is, it's what it always has been. even the right is not entirely immune to this, but at least you can fight them about it with a actual sources, discussing various perspectives and using actual logic to talk them down most of the time. why do you think they lose all the time? because they operate based on good faith and a genuine need to find the truth, in a theater that is steeped in vice and falsehood.
@@PRESIDENT_LEMON I despise how the toxic aspect of politics always finds a way into my favorite hobbies, i pray for a time where humanity collectively agree on this type of behavior: -what is your opinion on this matter -i think its "y" -Really?, care to explain -sure buddy, you see...... and thats the reason -well i think some of your points dont align with mine you see....... -oh, i didnt think it that way, thank you for telling me something new -dont worry, i learned something new from you aswell, what if we find i way to create a harmony between our beliefs and find something we collectively agree on -sure, and if that doesnt work out we can just work separately and dont disturb each other - i find that fantastic IS THIS REALLY TOo HARD TO GRASP FOR SOME PEOPLE
Unreal, unity, gamemaker, honelty even Godot. There are tons of engines and resources for you to learn and start developing games. There are no gatekeepers anymore, just make your own stuff.
The problem with Grunz is that he rushes a lot for the news, so he constantly gets things wrong that could easily get correct if he waited literally hours for the complete information
@@Zero-no5vf Agreed. Like the thing about the Veilguard NDA stuff. It's always good to take stuff with a grain of salt and double check before using the information.
Grummz is not purposely creating misinformation.., he's just spreading information occasionally too fast, out of frustration on the subject / industry, which can be incorrect in hindsight.. ... the right should NOT promote "right" pandering either.., all pandering is BS! (left or right)
@Zero-no5vf he doesn't create misinformation, he posts infos sometimes too early, before factt checking (out of frustration on the state of the industry).., its not ideal, but can see where his coming from.., especially as the "other side" plays super dirty.. ... pandering on either side (left or right) is BS in gaming
Having worked for a mobile game company and from what I see on LinkedIn. Leftism in terms of pronouns and this relative gender crap is the norm. About two thirds at the company had pronouns on their Slack bio even though every single one of them look like their pronoun. Baffling. This relativism era of human history will be looked back on as madness. People who think they aren't part of a diamorphic species or want to be the opposite sex, need mental help and not body parts being chopped off.
Gamergate literally happened because some far left feminists in the industry falsely accused some influential guy in the industry and he just jumped off a bridge or something. And then the news outlets were straight up lying about it (I think).
It's the gamertron. The same guy who thinks that the gaming industry hasn't been getting worse these many years. He has some really great videos, but also, some dog water takes.
By "lean right" do you mean they aren't activists? That's being neutral or a centrist. Just because you don't want to be pandered to doesn't mean you fly a swastika in your front yard or preach about God on the street corner every morning when people are going to work. Man, has the goal posts moved that far left?
Lucky for you a made video talking about that very subject back in 2018. I'm not on drugs and I'm very well aware. In that clip I'm referring to the video game industry in general, not just AAA. That includes Indie and middle-market AA productions.
hmnn but it doesnt actually increase good content, it just increases overal content put out and kills beloved franchises. and the people doing it arent actually learning their lesson either, the rot in the industry keeps doing the thing since good sales arent their actual goal. ruining videogames and preaching propaganda is. furthermore these moves are paid for by hedgefunds not customers. these hedgefunds owners arent driven by profit but by cultural and social power gain. hitting them in the wallet quite literally does nothing to actually combat the ultimate issue. wich is a fundamental ideological mailaise combined with self righteous authoritarianism
@@nathanperquin9910You can't increase good content if you can't get into the industry also its so incredibly unrealistic to expect everyone voicing their disappointment and complaints to somehow take up game dev and somehow go make and publish their own games. And hitting them in the wallets doesn't do "literally nothing". These morons don't have an infinite source of money to keep funding games that cost hundreds of millions of dollars that aren't returning any money to the OTHER investors. Look at Ubisoft. It's on fire. Shareholders calling for Yves to fix it or get fired. Concord gets shut down in 2 weeks to prevent losing EVEN MORE money, and now the studio got canned too. Like, money still matters. This isn't the medium for these people to f*ck with.
@@TheDezembro "These morons don't have an infinite source of money" Your taxes may not be unlimited, but they're there. Lefty politics led us to have the government sacntion trash like Dustborn to "promote inclusivity" lol
I agree. And i think the claims that grummz is a grifter is unfair. It doesn't help that he rushes out incorrect info cuz that does give the opposing side something to stand on. But like your saying it doesn't invalidate most claims. Even claims that are proven to be false can still be overall true. But my point is that grummz i believe is coming from the right place. He just needs to exercise a little more patience and scrutinize the info he receives. And yeah, 2 year boycott of all games is just crazy and only would harm devs that are on the right track. But your right, spoons take is to defeatist and counter productive
Grummz IS a grifter if he weren't he would've been there at any point over the last 10+ years this sh*t has been going on but he wasn't he only started talking about it when dunking on woke garbage become somehwat popular and "safe"" to do. Just like all the other grifters. That being said, does it matter? No, i'm willing to use and all tools available without restrictions.
tbh the only way it wouldn't work is because gamers, in general, are too weak to do something else. I think it's better to promote games taht are openly giving us what we want, and openly rejects any stain of wokeness in it.
@@stevekramerf242 That's not a larp. It means I read books and look at power. I look at reality, not believe in this cringe drug of cope called "democracy" and "people power" cause it's not real.
Heh, you’re not powereless in the AAA space. And if you think that you are, remember - the extreme left also felt the same way. Keep doing what you’re doing. You’re motivating a ton of Tony’s and showing devs a side they didn’t think about. One thing I learned from the industry is that, no matter how “protected” a policy is, if it kees loosing money, it will get dropped and hard.
the extreme left felt that way and then used subversive tactics to get into high positions of power in the industry and then nepotistic hiring practices wich they currently maintain to utterly take it over. the problem is as long as this fact is true even just not explicitly left leaning people will not be able to find work or maintain sanity while working in these spaces. plus anyone with a real work ethic and actual morality wouldntb e able to perform this strategy of take over by the merit they aren't Absolute scum
We don't want a right or left leaning gaming industry, we don't want politics in there full stop. It should be neutral and a place where all political views can come together and make fun games!
The left openly rejects the open market where their games would be rejected. Dustborn existing alone proves any industry's that not openly right leaning (aka giving the people what they want for money) is compromised.
Do nothing yourself Complain other people are doing nothing Try to appear intelligent by being arrogant Insist in a solution that everyone that actually deals with the problem knows it doesn't work Trully deserving of the aristocrat title
I stopped buying games from western, and now Japanese as well, studios years ago. What are you doing? Just throwing your money at these people time and time again supposedly "to send a message" does the exact opposite of what you think you're doing. All it does is it tells them that all they have to do is throw you a bread crumb once in a while and you will come crawling back. We currently see this behaviour with Saber Interractive. "Oh but i like Space Marine 2 and they'e working on the KotOR Demake that means it must be good" and you will all buy it and then complain afterwards how it's full of woke bs. Get over your addiction ffs.
@erichzannbusoumuzan Yeah, I had to drop him after he wouldn't shut up about Monarchies and how the whole world would be infinitely better if we all just established Monarchies everywhere. Mind you, he is an African simping for English aristocracy. His perspective is inherently biased because of what he was taught when he was younger and how the information got delivered to him, and the society he is trying to use as an example of why Monarchies work is one falling apart as a result of bad decisions by said Monarchy. He's good at identifying problems, but he sucks at providing solutions because he looks at the solutions through a very biased, very black and white lens. He'll gladly support Monarchism while citing all the good kings of the past but will just sweep all the times Monarchies resulted in a net negative for the population under the rug. I've tried to talk to him about this and what I got in response were mostly condescending insults and him trying to cite current America as an example of why Monarchies are needed while ignoring current Britain. Simply put, he cannot acknowledge its faults at all and refuses to address them and is operating from a position of bad faith as a result. It made him impossible to listen to after that. Once a RUclipsr established that they are too arrogant to acknowledge when they are wrong or when they are choosing a bad hill to die on, I just give up on them. They'll do it again in the future and I don't care to see people I once respected experience their downfall when their own hubris comes knocking... Such as here.
The thing is, if someone were to make a game that is purly "right wing" or "conservative," all that means in todays day and age is, normal, story focused, game play focused and not agenda driven....how simple concepts like that are considered far right is just crazy. All we as gamers want is good, esthetically pleasing, and non agenda driven games. We want escapism not preaching an idealogy.
No, a "right wing / conservative" driven game would be a game doing ideological injections of far-right stuff. What you're describing is just someone making a good game without any political influences being pushed in. Unless what you're saying is that, for example, a LOTR game without any ethnic diverse elves, dwarves, etc, would be called "alt-right" by these people. Or a game where most characters are straight since it reflects reality more 'accurately'. In which case, I totally agree lol but it's not like specifically a "right-wing" game, it'd just be a game that far-leftists who are obsessed with gender, sexuality and race (etc) would choose to perceive as alt-right because there's no desire to pander to them.
@TheDezembro, that's what I mean. By far-leftist standards, normal is far-right at this point. I just wish things would go back to good storytelling and good characters that fit the setting, not this strange political crap.
@@BenFoster-cx4em Is that why they were calling Pokemon satanic is the late 90s? Does that seem normal to you? How about when they were calling videogames "murder factories"?
@TheDezembro You are conflating right wing/conservatives and far right/extremists. They are not the same. Spoon has said he agrees with most things Grummz can/does say. But also that Grummz is a bit of an idiot. This has been proven by Grummz always, always falling for the same bait "leaks."
but what does it work at? killing studios and beloved IP. sure. but actually changing the minds and mentality that is currently utterly burning the industry down? not really, because the people doing that dont care about profit or the health of the game industry. it doesnt actually change what matters
@@nathanperquin9910 You can't change the minds of fanatics and thats what these activists are fanatics you can not reason with them you can only punish the studios that hire these people. When enough studios shutdown the companies will start looking at what happened and take notice.
I usually agree with utensil but i agree mostly with your take here. The industry is just too hostile and there is a place for people who have passion for games but not the skill to make them to criticize as well.
Yeah i even pointed out in.his comments that grummz actually fits into his perfect culture warrior anyways since grummz is making a game. Upper echleon played some of it
If I say I think cars suck and they should make them better. No one is gonna tell me...well get off your ass and go make your own car. Same with developing a game. Its ridiculous to say. lol
It's the same trash argumant as with: You complain to the chief about the food being terrible and in respond they say: "Well, make your own food then!" We don't want to make games, we want to enjoy games and they need to serve us, that give us the right to complain.
Indie games have only been getting better and better each year and they never have any of this DEI nonsense. Games like skull the hero slayer, mortal sin, death must die, vampire survivers, astral ascent, katana zero, undertale, soulstice e.t.c these are just some of the games i like off the top of my head. This isn't even considering the popular "streamer" indie games like overcooked, pico park, palworld, inscryption, tunic and so on. I'd mention Hades but Hades 2 is a little sus. The point is there's a treasure trove of amazing indie games on top of the super popular ones, you can have some niche games that speak directly to you like Thymesia (it's a soulslike thats a little rough around the edges but if you enjoy the genre, you'll have a decent time with it). It literally gets better each year. What's adding one more brilliant game to this catalogue going to do? To the industry? Completely nothing. While voting with our wallets may not be efficient it is the only move we got. This whole blackrock ESG grant business is bigger than us. We couldn't hope to sway anyone against subsidized game development unless maybe we had a similar enterprise to help devs just make a game without any of this message nonsense. Grummz has his issues, sure but there realistically isn't much he can do anyways. Best thing we can do is focus on the good games because thosr ARE dropping and support them. If tripple A studios make a nice product, we support that too. They'll eventually run out of money to lose (hopefully...)
Some indies have but it's a small percentage of them and at least on those that have some woke stuff seam to be legit on their support of said thing, unlike AAA corporations that only do that to alienate people.
@@johnysimps1191 What about Goodbye Volcano High, Read Only Memories or The Norwood Suite? Not to mention the games that are not overtly woke but have a lot of elements in them like Paradise Killer? I played some of them and it's pretty obvious. But, like Paradise Killer, not all of them are bad games.
Bro I think RUclips blacklisted you. Anytime you upload or post I never get a notification and that doesn’t happen with any other RUclipsr I’m subscribed to.
We don't want right-wing games. We want no politics in games. When games are the largest and most engaging medium in the world, it's inevitable that evil depopulation megacorps like "RockOfColor" will try to use it's money and power to shove politics into games. Where do we get billions of dollars for the cause of NOT getting politics into games? There is not much to do but just not to buy and not to consume their propaganda products, because loosing money to no avail is the only language they speak. Hence channels trying to convince people not to buy or use propaganda.
what are you to much of a coward to say blackstone/black rock and vanguard? God I am so tired of you people being too fucking cowardly to just say the truth this is why Larry Fink is winning. stop being a pussy, speak the truth even if this platform will censor it
The utensil is simply dishonest, while projecting his own inadequacies. Grummz was a game dev and still has those skills. Kabrutus does promote games that he thinks are good. And just about every gaming RUclipsr does praise games when they EARN IT!
Grummz saw something that he desperately wants to be true and his action proves it. I like change, but I will fight to the death against being forced how to think. I will use Grummz, Spoon, Vee and even You in that fight. I will not tell others what and how to think, but at least I can show them that I'm here. I expect people to use their own brains.
Thinking you're playing by some high moral standards no one else follows is precisely how these people took over. You're not willing to actually stand up as needed.
@denkerbosu3551 these people who quote Voltaire and think we're in the past of homogenous europe and can have this sort of thinking on this matter still are just hopelessly naive
I disagree with you if they would make few games devoid of message it would make all the difference in the world. You don't need to insert any opposite ideology at all. This dei ideology demands absolute control over market to be successful if there exist any alternative to their dei viewpoint people will naturally gravitate towards it. Black myth wukong and stellar blade did more damage to their side than any reactionary commentator could ever hope to.
Yes, but... 1 - they're Eastern games, for now they obey other rules out there. Hopefully will remain this way but idk, I think DEI bs is already starting to spread there. 2 - their success is absolutely important but still isn't enough to make the Western industry do anything different, like, they're not MISTAKENLY making 'woke' games, they're doing it for a reason. 3 - Individual people like Grummz or Endymion or Vara Dark or scores of other people who cover these topics in the industry can't make a dent with indie games. But they sure do make a dent by accessing thousands of people with their current work. 4 - this doesn't take away from the fact that working towards uncovering, reporting and spreading information & talking about this stuff is useful and a positive force. ... And honestly I'm not sure how impactful the success of those games would be without that vocal pushback alongside it. I don't understand the argument of "this VS that". Especially when it's completely unrealistic to expect individuals to get into the Industry to do something proactive. And even more unrealistic to expect the Industry to let them in and exact that change in the first place. In order to bang out big games like Wukong or Stellar Blade you need a big studio and out here in the west all big studios are going down the same road of because it's like they literally can't afford NOT to.
@@TheDezembro the thing is the indie devs are making a dent because people have been buying more of them than AAA. Though even some indies have the woke stuff on them... It's all a work in progress for now because all the backlash against the woke has only recently started to be more effective, a good recent exemple is the dragon age game, the woke took years to install itself so it's gonna take years to kill it off like the plage it is. The people reporting, like the ones cited by you and others like Kirshe will help with the change.
@@tio_johnWe basically need all hands on deck for this problem 😂 people to report information, people to complain loudly and mock relentlessly, indie devs to make some good stuff for people to recommend instead of the latest installment of activist garbage, and people to "vote with their wallets" so these bad games get ratio'd by the good ones.
@@TheDezembro 1. Yeah eastern games are starting to get infected with luck when they get fully infected west will get rid of dei infection. 2. Goal is not to save western AAA companies or change them. In my humble opinion all these AAA giants are too far gone now mostly political activists are working there. But mentioned that too if you work there you are activist or you are getting fired. 3. These people have significant audiences that provides protentional players for their games. Not a first time youtuber made game successful just by marketing it to their audience. 4. I agree. But if they would create new non dei games their impact of their work would be even greater. If they would create their own games they would become industry insiders. And so they would be able to do something more proactive. Even largest of gaming giants were once just small studios working on their small game.
@@TheDezembromm. Kingdom Come Deliverance. Warhorse went with not putting this in their game, to marginal success for a studio of their size, at the time (96K players tops, still more than Veilguard). Not sure if Czech is eastern, though. Hopefully they'll do the same with the sequel, coming out January, I think.
Been loving your videos bro. I have many similar views. I would say that the idea of "just make gaming conservative" is a bit of an ignorant take. The video game industry has always held a left leaning majority and that will never change. It's never been "There are too many leftists in gaming" The problem is that the monetary incentives homogenise it into a ONE left ideology. They're not even allowed to disagree with each other. People are also way too concerned about the reputation of the source over the validity of the actual information. Anyways, keep it up.
TheGamerTronShow and other conceited conservatives be like: "complaining is bad because all they do is complain now sit down and listen to me complain about it"
@@snintendog Who are you quoting? Besides in the video I'm not talking about "complaining" I'm talking about not supporting grifters pretending to be conservative.
LOL CHAnge the triple a industry why put effort into growing on dead land take the hint their soils is tainted you do not wish to grow it their. if you feel like you cant change anything become the change you want in order to beat these people you don't play by their rules you work around their rules its a bit complicated but it all boils down to be the bigger fish.
10:10 didn,t the wokies say you can just identify as any gender, at any time,regardless of sex. and if biology doesn,t matter in gender identity. why not expand it to racial & other identities too, cause everything is a social construct.
This logic can only be used when the wokies want and when it benefits them. If we try to do the same we are racist and bigots making fun of "MarGiNaLiZeD GrOuPs" "Rules for thee not for me"
I'd also just add that throwing rocks from a glass house, is just really tactless and tasteless. Being a hypocrite isn't a good look on anyone, no matter how much dress yourself and your ego up.
Utensil toke more or less of a fence-siting answer to Vee about Grumzz. Utensil does more in-depth analysis on people than his recent video, which I didn't. It's llike he did a speed run to get a video out and dind't care about the wuality of his opinion on Grumzz's work ethic. No cap, Grumzz suck but I won't hold it against Utensil for not caring about Grumzz as a person. Either way, Utensil should do better analyzing people like Grumzz next time.
I also think a problem of Grummz is that he is very emotional angry and makes to many mistakes but I honestly can’t fault him because of how he has been treated in the industry
What I disagree is the fact thet you can make indie games thet are fundamentally "right-wing" leaning. Yes, the big studios ALL infected at this point (yes, even Nintendo and other japanese ones), but it is not mean you cannot make a good game. You can create parallel institutaions or just solo deving if you want.
for many years we've been hearing the "go woke, go broke" slogan, and while it's true that individual products made by the companies experience flops, the zeitgeist has only gotten worse. they've got an unlimited amount of funding coming from wherever big money comes from. they're not interested in turning a profit. they're interested in changing the culture
Spoon video about grummz and his Stellar Blade one just showed me that the only place he's smart at is politics. In gaming and aparantly marketing he's so dumb I could just face palm myself. His comparison the 'vote with your wallet' with voting for politicians is nonsense. 'Vote with your wallets' is simple market demand, which boils down to what the customers need. A product sell then production will start but when it doesn't sell then it's production will stop. And his take on being aware is useless even thou that's the first step to solve the problem. His example about cancer is dumb, because you need to aware of it's existent to actually do something about it.
Market demand doesn't matter when it comes to gamers. Gamers are the dumbest consumer group in existence, they're indistinguishable from drug addicts always looking for the next fix and willing to pay for it no matter how diluted the drug is.
Exactly. I like utensil but I prefer when he sticks to politics and peoples political views... Gaming is better dealt by people with a economic mind because like you said it's the simple demand and supply. We don't like product then they will start changing, the thing is that for the time being companies have the money to burn into the woke shit to try and force change, it won't work because people naturally don't like to be told what to think and they're already losing money we just need to keep it going so inevitably they will run out of money to burn and will have to change.
The thing is you didn't understand what the spoon actually said. He is says that we are no longer the customers of these game companies. They are designed to fail as the real customer is the investors. In fact I would go as far to say the shutdown of the studio IS the end goal they want so then they won't need to pay the investors back. What they are really doing is making a game exactly for the investors check list and getting the staff as investors want. They then take that money and give themselves massive paychecks as they know the game will fail and the studio will close as they have no real attachment to either. Spoons problem with Grum isn't that he is complaining but the fact that he sells himself as an ex blizzard dev that has not made a game for a decade. that as a dev he could have made a game that would have made far more of an impact then the videos he makes. (even if it's a game with simple undertale / stardew graphic)
@@nicholasvogel9783 Even if the new customers are the investers, they still require paying customers so that their product could be sold and make their investers happy. And if their plan is to get a huge paycheck from investers while closing the studios they work from is just beneficial to us, for reason that it's self-filtering. They get the money but in return they will gain a negative image and get blacklisted both from the gaming companies and investers alike. I don't say anything about Grummz for reason being I saw so many type of his hater from the avarege lefty throught people who think he's a fraud for not finishing his game to those who think he's just a fool and shouldn't be taken seriously.
2:26 maybe these corpos should add a no pronouns sign with hvbaby face pic , as for them that should be the biggest scare for them. but from what i know , they probably think he is still the starfield pronoun lolcow. even though what had happened afterwards from sbi to etc. i mean just check "pillar of garbage" video on was babyface right, its his 2nd latest vid as of now. also that guy (pog) is a very dishonest guy. but i think he might be right on some things in that vid, you should see it. his arguement was baby face is doing revisionism, as he was enjoying starfield until the pronoun thing. and no babyface showed a speedup clip from geeks n gamers.
3:35 I knew you were talking about gamertron , but i still agree with many of his stance n do think he is a respectable guy. and i am getting the vibess that some of the newer wokeness reporters might be in it for the cash kinda like andypants, not as bad as him of course neither in terms of how andy seems like a parody of antiwoke yter, when he says gay communist satanist or from kid artstyle being gay
Well it's RUclips, anyone that makes videos here are making it for attention so getting money isn't the problem they just need to help change the tide, but I agree that we have to be aware of grifters.
@@TheGamerTronShow damn didn't expected you here. Well , when you had posted on your community, about one of your friends stream where you discussed andypants drama, I had commented & he said to tell you via Facebook but I don't,t use any of those kinds of socials cause well I am 17. So what I wanted to say was that ,fritanga plays had also mentioned you & asked his viewers to watch your vid. He had even watched your vid on livestream.And it was clear ,his audience has a very big bias for andy. Also I do think you,re genuine ,I have seen your going indie vids & how he lied about substance but his audience cheered just cause of the overall message. It's unfortunate that you couldn't,t freely speak yourself on going indie,s wrongdoings cause of low cash. I had even argued using your vid on how andy is a liar on his own vids & his viewers are like brainwashed. Also I saw you have a very old channel ,but don,t get views, I do hope you get more viewers later on for your content even after this andygrifterpants drama. I have also watched some of your subverse vids ,I liked them ,especially the one about what subverse was about. So what's your thoughts on this vid regarding all these chains of responses & what's your stance on this topic. The creator definitely disagrees with you on this one. I think this guys content is good too & definitely better than other daily quick dose slop tubers. Totally unrelated rant. So b4 going I would like to recommended you an anime I like ,called call of the night. I suggest you watch gigguk,s vid on its manga b4, his vid won,t spoil the show & make you interested in it too. Just search gigguk "she wants to suck you". I think I liked cause I also had sleeping problem, loneliness,& the meeting bw the main character & her childhood friend Akira, resonated with me ,cause I had watched this like 2y ago in 9th grade& something very specific had happened with me which led to me making a female friend. It's just 13 or 14 ep long. Season might come few months later. Also its 3:36 as of editing this comment the third time, it's been 8 minutes since upload(4th edit)
I think this is a complicated issue. Personally, as many things I agreed with Grumz on, that was due to other sources confirming what he would have to say. Just because of his history with fumbled development, that shouldn’t invalidate what he has to say, but the scummy crowd-pay stuff makes me suspicious
Another reason why peoples within the industry impose Mark Kern because of his own history with game development and everyone whoever work with him consider him miserable to work with, to the point where many of his ex-employees who once work for his company Red 5 who now working in different companies still spreading rumors and stories about him(source: AmA, twitter and personal friend in the industry). So even if he is not imposing DEI, the industry will never accept him back and continuously dunk on him
He focused on the game. Everyone else wanted Politics its clear to see from the devs that left him. They are all activists online that say they work but do NOTHING.
@snintendog but here the things. This was the pre 2015 era, before gamergate. You can check their Gamecom and Pax booth and see hot cosplayers and buff men. No politics have really entered the industry yet. The company fails because of Kern overspent marketing on a 3 millions dollar bus that didn't get use. Going missing for days only to show up some day. Firing employees because he didn't like them personally. The list went on. If you want the full recollection then read: the rise and fall of Mark Kern" This is written in 2013 so there will be no modern politics here.
Has none of you you all heard Grummz's game project Em-8er. It is being called a scam for good reason. I think that is sort of bigger problem for those who want to back Grummz. Art is subjective. Sales is not. Not admit Grummz has taken over 500k and not even created a demo for the game he start working on 8 years ago look like you all don't care about gamers at all. Just saying. It a time bomb that's only going to hurt you in the long run especially if he never even puts out a game which seems to be the case.
His newest woke bashing grift is just a facade, he's a literately a grifter. Grummz ruined Firefall, , got kicked from his own studio R5 for wasting money on stupid stuff and being a horrible CEO. ¨Promised to make a game similar to the one he ruined, asked for money. Game still isn't even in Alpha 6 years later and has nothing to show for.
I know this video is not about that...but... TheGamerTronShow: "Don't you find it a little bit suspect that these supposedly conservative gaming content creators never encourage their conservative viewers to get into game development?" No. Just no. I don't even understand what mindset one must be in to even think that this would remotely help.
cowards or they don't want any change because they make money from rage bait and if the SJW cult dies out they will need to find a new hobby where to make money. let me remained you that they put words in wukong and gaming science even know the chine's gaming company does not want to associate themselves with the woke EDI from the US or the right-wing cowards who cry wolf but don't do jack to stand up for themselves
When even the BASIC TOOLS and Communities Block and Ban us. We are told to Make our own bank our own Currency just to FRICKEN SURVIVE. People thinking that we arenot oppressed are GRIFTERS. We dont even make Rightwing Games we just are Rightwing.
It would help encourage conservative creatives to make video games and help give consumers more diverse games to pick from that don't lean solely on one side of the political spectrum.
@@TheGamerTronShow I don't need to counter argument that. The counter argumentations are in this video. Pushing people in a certain direction due to political reasons would be a really scummy thing to do + it wouldn't even work because people want games made by people who have a passion for games and not a passion for politics + AAA gaming wouldn't change and that's the part people are complaining about. That's dumb and seems like trying *really* hard to grasp at straws in order to *somehow* find *any* reason to devalue conservative content creators. Tldr; No.
Doesnt help grummz, he scum people out of their money for years and people still have faith in him to bring that game he promise to them years later...shame.
1:52 I need a new word to call these “vote with your wallet” types who end up buying the games they told everyone to avoid. People will defend them and say ‘they’re buying it so we don’t have to’ and I’m like WTF are you talking about? I thought you hated it. We all see the pile of $#!+, it looks like $#!+, smells like $#!+, I don’t need to pick it up and start chewing to realize, it is in fact $#!+. They never put their money where their mouth is. They always end up buying the game, like controlled opposition, like they secretly have blue hair and septum piercings. They always support the very thing they supposedly despise, always for money they don’t have integrity. They’ve made a small fortune talking about it for months and they can make even more money from videos showing more clips they’ve found in their playthroughs. Playing it for people who secretly really want to play it while also supposedly hating it.. like cognitive dissonance.
I don't understand what you mean? People have to get these games in order to review them for example. Obviously they can go through other avenues, like for example getting a used copy or sailing the high seas, but a lot of them just get it outright for quicker access. It's one thing to grift and then get the game because you're secretly excited to play it, and another completely to buy it and make more damaging content on it. The companies are not going to meet their sales quotas by the content creators alone. If they did, Soy Squad, Dustborn, Concord and Unknown 9 would've been a smash hit 😂
Come on now, we all know a handful of reviewers aren’t going to help sales, it’s the principle behind it. These people never review games they like, they only focus on games they supposedly dislike. They aren’t going to come to some grandiose conclusion we don’t already know about. They know it’s trash, we know it’s trash, then they play it. (Their review): ‘Yep, it was trash and full of all the DEI forced narratives I talked about for 3 months, we were right.’ What are we expecting, validation to something we already know is validated? If there is a hot stove, I’m trusting the person that points it out to warn others more than some idiot who saw it and touched it anyways just to confirm it actually was hot like their third-degree burns somehow give them more credence.
This, this, and so much this. It boils my blood whenever someone is like "This game looks awful and the trailers clearly make it seem like the worst game ever, wow vote with your wallet guys, also please join my stream where I play this game on release day lol". Like, at what point does the sincere criticism end and the grifting start? Do they really just want to maintain the "hatewatching" status quo so they never actually run out of new product to complain about?
@@TheDezembro He's talking about people like "HeelvsBabyface" who will b*tch and moan nonstop for months on end, like with Wokeguard, then not only buy it day 1 but in the case of that guy even buy TWO copies of it. I don't accept the premise of "oh but it's just a few copies from those 'content creators'", every $ is one too much and their audience is clearly ret4arded and many will end up buying it despite complaining about it. Of the games you listed 3 are new creations and not attached to any popular IP and Suicide Squad isn't anywhere near a popular IP enough as far as the superhero genre is concerned. Look at Marvels Rivals 50K+ just in the beta, you think you "send a message" like this other than "i will buy any and all woke slop as long as it's shiny and popular enough"? Dragon Age on the other hand is a big IP, here was the chance to make a REAL statement, this game should've been stuck at an under 3K peak player count and you all failed.
The problem with Grummz is that he is running a scam on his patreon. Em8er is a failure and his posts on twitter show that he is playing people that dont know about gamedev like a fiddle. Anyone that knows a bit about gamedev can see that he is sandbagging, he makes up issues and problems that anyone with a small ammount of knowledge know how easy it is to fix or do. One post of his was about how the "baking artist" (a role that does not exist because anyone can bake down textures easily) messed up and he needed more time and another artist to fix the issue, and the issue was a UV issue that is easily fixable in 15-30 mins by just rotating some stuff around. He might be on the ""right"" side, but he is still scamming people, it would be better to remove him altogether from the movement untill he gets his shit together or releases the game. Look at the other firefall likes that are in development, and you will see that in 1-2 years they have done a lot more than grummz, with less people and little to no funds.
Why didn't you play a single second of his video in this entire video and to add to that point why did you play videos that are not his to take a word from a individual who likes horses too much that seems a little bad faith
Don't have any interest in being bad faith, I put the link in description, didn't hide anything, didn't misconstrue what he said, just didn't want to play his entire video in my video... His was point was made throughout it, and my main concern was addressing the topic, not "respond to each and every piece" of what he was saying. Simply the value of criticism, the value of voting with our wallets and - as it related to a similar sentiment I had seen in that other video - the difficulty of "right-leaning" devs to get into the industry or to make their right-leaning allegiances known publically. Aside from that I have no clue wtf you're talking about in regards to horses and whatnot 🤨
@@TheDezembroall right I double checked everything and it was pattern recognition fucking with me because I have an extreme suspicion every time someone doesn't show a video and that cause me to have a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction to that so no there is no bad faith and the horse part is a joke about a certain degenerate who belongs on a cross (a bread tuber that goes by the name of vaush and if you want to know anything about that look up bigbunjeeeee's videos about it) and for your actual criticism they were actually well thought out after sitting on it and thinking about it for a little bit
@@TheDezembroall right I double checked everything and it was pattern recognition f***ing with me because I have an extreme suspicion every time someone doesn't show a video and that cause me to have a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction to that so no there is no bad faith and the horse part is a joke about a certain de***erate who belongs in pr*s*n (a bread tuber that goes by the name of vaush and if you want to know anything about that look up bigbu*jeeeee's videos about it) and for your actual criticism they were actually well thought out after sitting on it and thinking about it for a little bit (this is a censored version of my original comment thank you youtube)
2me gruns is a very loud curopaco His superpower is is bein loud, speaking what everyone with a brain already said 4 years ago and get everyone to heard cause hes a very loud parrot Do i like him,nope, his first game after leaving blizzard was a dissaster and his second is looking to be goin the same way, but i do like how he get the wokies angry and how they cant find a good angle to attack the firefall bus dood, it be funny if it wasnt so pathetic, nah i laught anyway hahahahaha
Also abother point, who givs a fuak about the triple a industry, about disney, pedowood, o yeah i cant get a job on a dying industry cause my political compass is 0.0000 milimiters to the right of stalin, thank god, imagine wanting to have a job on a company about to get bankruptcy,🍋
The critique of Grummz is he doesn't act better then people in the left, it shouldn't be about the fact he just complains, its about the fact he has no standards and keeps pushing the line and acts like the sensitive lefties but on the right side, as cliche as this sounds but he will end up becoming what he wanted to destroy just under a different ideology. I don't want a grifter who doesn't understand how boycotting PS+ and still buying Stellar Blade as a 'protest' is a smart idea. People should self police and get grifters like him out, genuinely a harm to this side.
I usually agree with you, but I find these arguments flimsy. First, the more concrete, you never show utensil's video. Yes, you did say you wouldn't, but when you show an unrelated channel to prove a point it comes of as disingenuous. And now for the actual points. Question: Why was Baldur's gate 3 successful and Concord wasn't? BG3 also has pronouns and other leftist ideas, but it was successful and it continues to be, why? Simple, despite these ideologies BG3 was/is a good game. All this being said, my point is that I don't think we hate Concord (per example) because of THE MESSAGE, don't get me wrong, the game WOULD have been way better if you excluded the leftist things, but we are forgetting something very important, the game was shit as a game. My point is, if Concord were as good as BG3, no one would have cared about pronouns. Gamers only want one thing, GOOD GAMES, everything else comes second. Also, the problem is not that we can't complain, but that all we are doing is complain. Yes AAA and AA companies have a bigger impact, but if gamers start seeing indie games as superior, we will naturally flock towards them. And look, not everyone wants to make a game, I get that, but Grummz has no excuse, the reason why he became so popular was on the basis of him being an insider, but at this point he can't be classified as an insider anymore. Finally, there is something Utensil said that I would like to adress, have games been getting better for the past 10 years? Yes we have had good games in this period, but we also had good games this year: Space Marine 2, Black Myth Wukong, Stellar Blade, and so on. But would you say that this year was good for gaming? My point is, nothing has changed, we have had boogie men in gaming for about 10 years, first it was micro transactions, then 70$ games, then repetition in game design, now DEI, the problem with us is that nothing has been solved, we still have the same problem we had back then, we just shifted our attention to the shiny new model. If we don't make new games, if we don't act, then DEI will remain here forever, but in five years we will have forgotten and just shifted to another problem
I don't think so because indies HAVE GOTTEN MORE ATTENTION the thing is DEI took time to install itself so it's gonna take time to take it out. Voting with the wallet and complain has been working because people have been stoping buying their shit, dragon age will be just another example of this
@@tio_john Glad you brought Veilguard into the conversation, tell me, what is the difference between Veilguard and BG3, excluding the fact that the former denied review codes? They both have pronouns, and modern day terms and ideologies such as transgenderism, and the main point of the criticism of Veilguard having pronouns is that it is medieval and has magic that transforms people, which means that being trans through surgery is illogically and creatively bankrupt. Now, excluding my political ideologies (I don't need it for this argument), I agree with this notion, surgery should not be needed in a world where you turn into animals. But that is not the point I was trying to make, the main point is that we are being hypocrites for holding one game accountable but not the other. And I have other examples: Why are we not talking about God of war, Alan Wake 2, or Spider-man 2? Yes we mention them, but every time we do it is just an anecdote. The reason why we hold some games accountable and not others is because you can't argue with results. And this brings us back to my main point, gamers only want good games. To address the other points in your comment: Yes, indie games have grown in popularity. That is undeniable, the problem is that they are still not big enough, if they were, gaming journalists would bitch about them as much as they bitch about every other game, yet every major argument they give is based on AAA/AA, which means these games are still seen as the golden standard. Yes, DEI is relatively new, but that's the point, micro transactions were also new at some point, and we hated them as much as we hate DEI, but we never fixed that, it is still a problem, but since DEI got exposed we have been ignoring everything else. Finally yes, voting with wallet does work to some extent, making better games is only a part of it, if people don't stop buying bad games, they will keep making them, but as I have demonstrated, in the end gamers don't really care about DEI, we only mention it when games are bad, if DEI produced better games we would be preaching it to hell and back. In conclusion, my fear is not DEI, my fear is that we are not evolving, yes, DEI is bad, but if we don't hold every game that has it equally accountable, then, are we much better than the dumbasses pushing their agenda? I just want good games, and we are not going to get them by flip flopping from boogie man to boogie man, without taking out the previous one. Also, sorry for the wall of text, but nowadays you have to be really careful with what you say so it is not taken out of context.
@4DMoth I don't mind the wall of text when it's a good point. Indeed we had been jumping from bogie man to bogie man but to my understanding it's different this time because it involves something personal, our opinions and the way we think, in short this DEI conflict is involving society in general instead of just being a gaming problem, like micro transactions and pricing, so DEI won't be something we solve in one front. Now about the way we treat games, I'm glad you pointed out that indeed SM2 and God of war are talked about but not as much as other games exactly for the reason that they at least have good gameplay, though they have terrible writing infested with DEI, I would like to point out that this only happens with sonny games, with the exception of BG3 of course, because they have a good dev team that knows how to make good gameplay at least, so at a technical level the game will be good and that's what gamers ultimately want but still we aren't blind by the writing trying to push some agendas and that's good in my eyes. I think the key is subtlety because gamers don't really care about the politics of the people making the game but they do care about being shoved something or being told what to think, that's people in general and it's why we see more and more push against woke, they rely on the bogie man to exit and they can't be subtle about their ideas, at least they can't be subtle now they seam to have lost that ability, being short cause i have to get back to work people aren't as stupid as the woke think and they push back when they MADE TO DO SOMETHING OR BEHAVE SOME WAY. sorry if I did some typo or some grammatical mistake. I hope my point is understandable cause I think I went in a little rant 😆.
@tio_john Some of these points are a bit strange, but I agree with the overall message, yes it is personal, but it is not necessarily worse, at least in my opinion. Overall I am just afraid of this monster coming back with a different skin in the future. Also sorry for taking so much of your time XD
@4DMoth glad you understand my point, I'm not that good at debating or being organized with my thoughts so when I do I try my best to be organized... But the longer the text more disorder occurs 😆. I don't really think that this problem will disappear and reappear with a new name, because like I said it's more personal this time and involves control so people get more invested in it and it's a battle that isn't just being fought in gaming but in basically all fronts be it real, virtual and fictional spaces hance the nickname Culture War. Edit: no need to worry about my job I work for my country's government and the job is easy as fuck.
Grummz is the perfect person for the woke to point at and call grifter, then dismiss literally all of our complaints. This is because he is a grifter though as he rushes any news regardless of how wrong for that tiny bit of clout and cash. I wish he would just go away.
dude how about we let the AAA industry burn anyway want to know why it's simple Indy is the new AAA most Indy games have grown to be legends need examples no problem FNAF - started way back in 2013 or so and it's still popular to 2024 and their developers it's a right wing who does do not push his political views into his games + there tones of others FNAF inspired games too aw by the way the FNAF game dev did defend himself against the woke mafia back in 2017 while the right wing grifters like yellow flash and EFAP didn't do jack to have his back let me give some other names and examples too fly me to the moon , poked mirror , Minecraft , hello Neuberger , Stanly parable , star navally i can list so many games who are out of any politics and just want to do games vs left & right rage bait fake drama b.s point is how can you say that there is no willingness to make a change when you don't want to have a change sooner or later even black rock will run out of money nothing stays forever guys look how many companies have gone bankrupt after they took the woke bullet and how many right wing grifters got rich from the rage baits
Yet Scott of FNAF got kicked out of his OWN COMPANY when he was found to be Rightwing.... FFS he didnt say SHIT. He only silently DONATED. Your 100% wrong the LEFT is employing NAZI tactics.
Problem with Grummz is that he usually just shares some random shit he finds on twitter and complains, without adding anything really substantial, which makes him in turn seem just like an average complainer guy.
I feel like due to political brainrot people think that it’s so over yet I’ve played so many games without any of the political stuff but these games with woke stuff get signal boosted so loud that everyone on both sides gets so ass mad idk seems a bit lame
@@Thearchon592 it's just something that spreads and progresses like a disease and people don't want to see MORE franchises and MORE studios getting even more and more overt with it as it happened with some games this year.
@ I hear that dragon age was or is ridiculous I never expected a game to get that far buuut I feel like the reason why is because the dev culture the devs for concord and veilguard are just locked down in a echo chamber where no one is able to disagree no one goes “hmm I don’t like that dialogue” or “hmm I don’t think we should go with that design” not because that person disagrees with the politics but because there thinking about the game the universe the writing you don’t get that with certain studios
I really do hope this game gets a concord treatment I think you do speak on the fact that we vote with our dollars and the money talks gamers just have to be more and more united on this
@reptiliannoizezz.413 Listen I don't like Spoon but the guy is an African simping for English aristocracy. When you call him "racist", you aren't referring to him being racist to other blacks, are you?
Disliking garbage doesn't mean you are inherently conservative. Depsite how much these people online will call anyone with a slight disagreement far right extremists.
Nuh-uh, quality is right after all 😎
Actually yes it does. Left and right aren't gradients anymore, the right is a gradient and the left is a solid block colour, so there are certain levels one can be right wing, but on the left if you disagree, even slightly, you are on the right wing.
And so if the left says "X is the greatest thing ever because it has muh diversity" and you say "I don't enjoy X only because I find the gameplay clunky and the graphics horrid" you then instantly fall on the right wing gradient.
I'm sorry but demanding quality when you are told you should demand equality, is right wing, welcome to the club.
not at all...to have quality, you need to have the belief that quality is subjective. this of course goes past simple morality all the way to perceptions of quality and work ethic. the leftist (if consistent in their standards...which they aren't LOL) only sees what favors their selfish perception of what is good. objective truth to them is a weapon, not a standard to be held to. it's the root of their points about AI art, it's the root of their perspective on quality, it's the root of what they deem acceptable. it's all based on their own pride and prejudice. this was always what leftist though was about, the more leftward your stance, the less compromise you were willing to accept in that perception. that is what this is, it's what it always has been. even the right is not entirely immune to this, but at least you can fight them about it with a actual sources, discussing various perspectives and using actual logic to talk them down most of the time. why do you think they lose all the time? because they operate based on good faith and a genuine need to find the truth, in a theater that is steeped in vice and falsehood.
@@PRESIDENT_LEMON I despise how the toxic aspect of politics always finds a way into my favorite hobbies, i pray for a time where humanity collectively agree on this type of behavior:
-what is your opinion on this matter
-i think its "y"
-Really?, care to explain
-sure buddy, you see...... and thats the reason
-well i think some of your points dont align with mine you see.......
-oh, i didnt think it that way, thank you for telling me something new
-dont worry, i learned something new from you aswell, what if we find i way to create a harmony between our beliefs and find something we collectively agree on
-sure, and if that doesnt work out we can just work separately and dont disturb each other
- i find that fantastic
IS THIS REALLY TOo HARD TO GRASP FOR SOME PEOPLE
You better become it. If you still can't see the writing on the wall you're almost beyond hope.
I hope Gina Carano bends lucas film and disney over the barrel... I hope she never has to work again
Amen.
She doesn't have to either way, since her family (and she herself) is rich.
@@stevekramerf242 fair but her getting retribution sets precedent which will help others less fortunate to have such financial backing.
You either die young or live long enough to see all your favourite franchises go to shit.
- Me after Veilguard
How the fuck are we supposed to get into gamedev when even Godot bans us for our opinions?
Now now....that's complaining
Unreal, unity, gamemaker, honelty even Godot.
There are tons of engines and resources for you to learn and start developing games.
There are no gatekeepers anymore, just make your own stuff.
@@qaztim11 What part of 'banned' didn't compute?
Make your own or stay silent if you join it. Fairly obvious.
@@shoopoop21how does being banned from whatever you're referring to stop you from making your own business or game?
Grow up.
The problem with Grunz is that he rushes a lot for the news, so he constantly gets things wrong that could easily get correct if he waited literally hours for the complete information
He also has to Quote Retweet everything adding nothing
@@Zero-no5vf Agreed. Like the thing about the Veilguard NDA stuff. It's always good to take stuff with a grain of salt and double check before using the information.
Grummz is not purposely creating misinformation.., he's just spreading information occasionally too fast, out of frustration on the subject / industry, which can be incorrect in hindsight..
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the right should NOT promote "right" pandering either.., all pandering is BS! (left or right)
He chases trends while accusing his enemies of chasing trends. He doesn't help a single developer, he's just in it for himself.
@Zero-no5vf
he doesn't create misinformation, he posts infos sometimes too early, before factt checking (out of frustration on the state of the industry).., its not ideal, but can see where his coming from.., especially as the "other side" plays super dirty..
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pandering on either side (left or right) is BS in gaming
Having worked for a mobile game company and from what I see on LinkedIn. Leftism in terms of pronouns and this relative gender crap is the norm. About two thirds at the company had pronouns on their Slack bio even though every single one of them look like their pronoun. Baffling.
This relativism era of human history will be looked back on as madness. People who think they aren't part of a diamorphic species or want to be the opposite sex, need mental help and not body parts being chopped off.
Closing all the asylums was a bad idea.
4:00 this man has got to be on drugs if he things people who lean right aren't run out of the industry because it's progressive AF
Gamergate literally happened because some far left feminists in the industry falsely accused some influential guy in the industry and he just jumped off a bridge or something. And then the news outlets were straight up lying about it (I think).
It's the gamertron. The same guy who thinks that the gaming industry hasn't been getting worse these many years.
He has some really great videos, but also, some dog water takes.
By "lean right" do you mean they aren't activists? That's being neutral or a centrist. Just because you don't want to be pandered to doesn't mean you fly a swastika in your front yard or preach about God on the street corner every morning when people are going to work. Man, has the goal posts moved that far left?
@@GulagMoosefeller keep hitting that man made of straw, that'll show'em!
Lucky for you a made video talking about that very subject back in 2018. I'm not on drugs and I'm very well aware. In that clip I'm referring to the video game industry in general, not just AAA. That includes Indie and middle-market AA productions.
Seeing studios getting shut down because they put ideologies above a product worth buying, already proves Utensil point is completely wrong
hmnn but it doesnt actually increase good content, it just increases overal content put out and kills beloved franchises. and the people doing it arent actually learning their lesson either, the rot in the industry keeps doing the thing since good sales arent their actual goal. ruining videogames and preaching propaganda is. furthermore these moves are paid for by hedgefunds not customers. these hedgefunds owners arent driven by profit but by cultural and social power gain. hitting them in the wallet quite literally does nothing to actually combat the ultimate issue. wich is a fundamental ideological mailaise combined with self righteous authoritarianism
@@nathanperquin9910You can't increase good content if you can't get into the industry also its so incredibly unrealistic to expect everyone voicing their disappointment and complaints to somehow take up game dev and somehow go make and publish their own games.
And hitting them in the wallets doesn't do "literally nothing". These morons don't have an infinite source of money to keep funding games that cost hundreds of millions of dollars that aren't returning any money to the OTHER investors.
Look at Ubisoft. It's on fire. Shareholders calling for Yves to fix it or get fired. Concord gets shut down in 2 weeks to prevent losing EVEN MORE money, and now the studio got canned too.
Like, money still matters. This isn't the medium for these people to f*ck with.
@@TheDezembro "These morons don't have an infinite source of money" Your taxes may not be unlimited, but they're there.
Lefty politics led us to have the government sacntion trash like Dustborn to "promote inclusivity" lol
I agree. And i think the claims that grummz is a grifter is unfair. It doesn't help that he rushes out incorrect info cuz that does give the opposing side something to stand on. But like your saying it doesn't invalidate most claims. Even claims that are proven to be false can still be overall true. But my point is that grummz i believe is coming from the right place. He just needs to exercise a little more patience and scrutinize the info he receives. And yeah, 2 year boycott of all games is just crazy and only would harm devs that are on the right track. But your right, spoons take is to defeatist and counter productive
Grummz IS a grifter if he weren't he would've been there at any point over the last 10+ years this sh*t has been going on but he wasn't he only started talking about it when dunking on woke garbage become somehwat popular and "safe"" to do. Just like all the other grifters.
That being said, does it matter? No, i'm willing to use and all tools available without restrictions.
Yeah, Grummz is a little too trigger happy most of the time. And Spoon larps as a "monarchist", whatever that means in our current times.
tbh the only way it wouldn't work is because gamers, in general, are too weak to do something else.
I think it's better to promote games taht are openly giving us what we want, and openly rejects any stain of wokeness in it.
@@stevekramerf242 That's not a larp. It means I read books and look at power. I look at reality, not believe in this cringe drug of cope called "democracy" and "people power" cause it's not real.
Heh, you’re not powereless in the AAA space. And if you think that you are, remember - the extreme left also felt the same way.
Keep doing what you’re doing. You’re motivating a ton of Tony’s and showing devs a side they didn’t think about.
One thing I learned from the industry is that, no matter how “protected” a policy is, if it kees loosing money, it will get dropped and hard.
Yeah, end of the video is basically this sentiment! Awesome. You guys are doing great o7
Exactly vote with your wallet. Buy the good stuff and when it becomes bad don't buy it and go somewhere else.
the extreme left felt that way and then used subversive tactics to get into high positions of power in the industry and then nepotistic hiring practices wich they currently maintain to utterly take it over. the problem is as long as this fact is true even just not explicitly left leaning people will not be able to find work or maintain sanity while working in these spaces.
plus anyone with a real work ethic and actual morality wouldntb e able to perform this strategy of take over by the merit they aren't Absolute scum
the extreme left didn't promote "Keep funding the enemy until it goes away" like some weaklings.
Nice to hear from you again! 🎮
We don't want a right or left leaning gaming industry, we don't want politics in there full stop. It should be neutral and a place where all political views can come together and make fun games!
The left openly rejects the open market where their games would be rejected.
Dustborn existing alone proves any industry's that not openly right leaning (aka giving the people what they want for money) is compromised.
Being right wing means to be anti-political.
Nah i want some politics in games. Mine.
Do nothing yourself
Complain other people are doing nothing
Try to appear intelligent by being arrogant
Insist in a solution that everyone that actually deals with the problem knows it doesn't work
Trully deserving of the aristocrat title
True. That's why I dropped Spoon after he started lashing out in this manner. He's impossible to communicate with.
Yeah, swing and a miss from the spoon this time.
I stopped buying games from western, and now Japanese as well, studios years ago. What are you doing? Just throwing your money at these people time and time again supposedly "to send a message" does the exact opposite of what you think you're doing. All it does is it tells them that all they have to do is throw you a bread crumb once in a while and you will come crawling back.
We currently see this behaviour with Saber Interractive. "Oh but i like Space Marine 2 and they'e working on the KotOR Demake that means it must be good" and you will all buy it and then complain afterwards how it's full of woke bs.
Get over your addiction ffs.
You're definitely enjoying DAV lol
@erichzannbusoumuzan
Yeah, I had to drop him after he wouldn't shut up about Monarchies and how the whole world would be infinitely better if we all just established Monarchies everywhere. Mind you, he is an African simping for English aristocracy. His perspective is inherently biased because of what he was taught when he was younger and how the information got delivered to him, and the society he is trying to use as an example of why Monarchies work is one falling apart as a result of bad decisions by said Monarchy.
He's good at identifying problems, but he sucks at providing solutions because he looks at the solutions through a very biased, very black and white lens.
He'll gladly support Monarchism while citing all the good kings of the past but will just sweep all the times Monarchies resulted in a net negative for the population under the rug. I've tried to talk to him about this and what I got in response were mostly condescending insults and him trying to cite current America as an example of why Monarchies are needed while ignoring current Britain. Simply put, he cannot acknowledge its faults at all and refuses to address them and is operating from a position of bad faith as a result.
It made him impossible to listen to after that.
Once a RUclipsr established that they are too arrogant to acknowledge when they are wrong or when they are choosing a bad hill to die on, I just give up on them. They'll do it again in the future and I don't care to see people I once respected experience their downfall when their own hubris comes knocking... Such as here.
"Starring Antonio Banderas as Pedro Pascal!"
The thing is, if someone were to make a game that is purly "right wing" or "conservative," all that means in todays day and age is, normal, story focused, game play focused and not agenda driven....how simple concepts like that are considered far right is just crazy. All we as gamers want is good, esthetically pleasing, and non agenda driven games. We want escapism not preaching an idealogy.
No, a "right wing / conservative" driven game would be a game doing ideological injections of far-right stuff. What you're describing is just someone making a good game without any political influences being pushed in.
Unless what you're saying is that, for example, a LOTR game without any ethnic diverse elves, dwarves, etc, would be called "alt-right" by these people. Or a game where most characters are straight since it reflects reality more 'accurately'.
In which case, I totally agree lol but it's not like specifically a "right-wing" game, it'd just be a game that far-leftists who are obsessed with gender, sexuality and race (etc) would choose to perceive as alt-right because there's no desire to pander to them.
@TheDezembro, that's what I mean. By far-leftist standards, normal is far-right at this point. I just wish things would go back to good storytelling and good characters that fit the setting, not this strange political crap.
@@TheDezembro you couldn't be more wrong. Right wingers are normal.
@@BenFoster-cx4em Is that why they were calling Pokemon satanic is the late 90s? Does that seem normal to you? How about when they were calling videogames "murder factories"?
@TheDezembro You are conflating right wing/conservatives and far right/extremists.
They are not the same. Spoon has said he agrees with most things Grummz can/does say. But also that Grummz is a bit of an idiot.
This has been proven by Grummz always, always falling for the same bait "leaks."
Your pedro pascal bit made me almost spit my tea out. Bless you. I appreciate your videos.
Hold onto that tea 😂😂
Thank you! I appreciate it 🙏
Voting with our wallets absolutely works, and it's the ONLY thing we can do.
but what does it work at? killing studios and beloved IP. sure. but actually changing the minds and mentality that is currently utterly burning the industry down? not really, because the people doing that dont care about profit or the health of the game industry. it doesnt actually change what matters
@@nathanperquin9910 Then what would be the right way to solve this problem?
@@nathanperquin9910 You can't change the minds of fanatics and thats what these activists are fanatics you can not reason with them you can only punish the studios that hire these people. When enough studios shutdown the companies will start looking at what happened and take notice.
I usually agree with utensil but i agree mostly with your take here. The industry is just too hostile and there is a place for people who have passion for games but not the skill to make them to criticize as well.
Yeah i even pointed out in.his comments that grummz actually fits into his perfect culture warrior anyways since grummz is making a game. Upper echleon played some of it
If I say I think cars suck and they should make them better. No one is gonna tell me...well get off your ass and go make your own car. Same with developing a game. Its ridiculous to say. lol
It's the same trash argumant as with:
You complain to the chief about the food being terrible and in respond they say: "Well, make your own food then!"
We don't want to make games, we want to enjoy games and they need to serve us, that give us the right to complain.
@@sairusthelynx exactly I bought expecting good service and didn't got it so therefore I can complain about it.
The fucking Pedro Pascal accent took me off :))))))))
Indie games have only been getting better and better each year and they never have any of this DEI nonsense. Games like skull the hero slayer, mortal sin, death must die, vampire survivers, astral ascent, katana zero, undertale, soulstice e.t.c these are just some of the games i like off the top of my head. This isn't even considering the popular "streamer" indie games like overcooked, pico park, palworld, inscryption, tunic and so on. I'd mention Hades but Hades 2 is a little sus.
The point is there's a treasure trove of amazing indie games on top of the super popular ones, you can have some niche games that speak directly to you like Thymesia (it's a soulslike thats a little rough around the edges but if you enjoy the genre, you'll have a decent time with it). It literally gets better each year. What's adding one more brilliant game to this catalogue going to do? To the industry? Completely nothing. While voting with our wallets may not be efficient it is the only move we got. This whole blackrock ESG grant business is bigger than us. We couldn't hope to sway anyone against subsidized game development unless maybe we had a similar enterprise to help devs just make a game without any of this message nonsense.
Grummz has his issues, sure but there realistically isn't much he can do anyways. Best thing we can do is focus on the good games because thosr ARE dropping and support them. If tripple A studios make a nice product, we support that too. They'll eventually run out of money to lose (hopefully...)
Some indies have but it's a small percentage of them and at least on those that have some woke stuff seam to be legit on their support of said thing, unlike AAA corporations that only do that to alienate people.
No, 50 percent of indie-games have this stuff front and center. Don't be disingenuous about that.
@@stevekramerf242 like what? I've never seen a woke indie game.
@@johnysimps1191 What about Goodbye Volcano High, Read Only Memories or The Norwood Suite? Not to mention the games that are not overtly woke but have a lot of elements in them like Paradise Killer?
I played some of them and it's pretty obvious. But, like Paradise Killer, not all of them are bad games.
Bro I think RUclips blacklisted you. Anytime you upload or post I never get a notification and that doesn’t happen with any other RUclipsr I’m subscribed to.
I really hope that's just a random glitch and not a problem I'll have to be f*cked with while not even making it to 4K subs yet ._.
I just got recommended this video... Maybe it's because I'm subbed to vee and utensil.
I got this video recommended, tho to be fair i'm subbed to Vee's gaming channel and i watch Spoon from time to time.
@@Amsel_616 same
We don't want right-wing games. We want no politics in games. When games are the largest and most engaging medium in the world, it's inevitable that evil depopulation megacorps like "RockOfColor" will try to use it's money and power to shove politics into games. Where do we get billions of dollars for the cause of NOT getting politics into games? There is not much to do but just not to buy and not to consume their propaganda products, because loosing money to no avail is the only language they speak. Hence channels trying to convince people not to buy or use propaganda.
Dawg, RockOfColor is my new go-to term for that company. Thank you. 🤣
Correction: MOBILE games are the largest and most engaging medium in the world.
what are you to much of a coward to say blackstone/black rock and vanguard? God I am so tired of you people being too fucking cowardly to just say the truth this is why Larry Fink is winning. stop being a pussy, speak the truth even if this platform will censor it
FFS what Rightwing Games are there? What the Left call Right wing are games that DON'T HAVE LEFTIST POLITICS.
Right wing games are literally normal games lol
The utensil is simply dishonest, while projecting his own inadequacies.
Grummz was a game dev and still has those skills. Kabrutus does promote games that he thinks are good. And just about every gaming RUclipsr does praise games when they EARN IT!
Kabrutus is not a grifter but Grummz is
@@terribleplayer2526 Care to substantiate that a bit?
First of all, what do you mean by "grifter?"
@@adrianalexanderveidt344somebody he doesn't like ofc what else could grifter possibly mean😂😂
Grummz saw something that he desperately wants to be true and his action proves it. I like change, but I will fight to the death against being forced how to think. I will use Grummz, Spoon, Vee and even You in that fight. I will not tell others what and how to think, but at least I can show them that I'm here. I expect people to use their own brains.
YOu say "use you" but tehn your strategy's to wait for others to change their minds, lmao.
Thinking you're playing by some high moral standards no one else follows is precisely how these people took over. You're not willing to actually stand up as needed.
@denkerbosu3551 these people who quote Voltaire and think we're in the past of homogenous europe and can have this sort of thinking on this matter still are just hopelessly naive
I disagree with you if they would make few games devoid of message it would make all the difference in the world. You don't need to insert any opposite ideology at all. This dei ideology demands absolute control over market to be successful if there exist any alternative to their dei viewpoint people will naturally gravitate towards it. Black myth wukong and stellar blade did more damage to their side than any reactionary commentator could ever hope to.
Yes, but...
1 - they're Eastern games, for now they obey other rules out there. Hopefully will remain this way but idk, I think DEI bs is already starting to spread there.
2 - their success is absolutely important but still isn't enough to make the Western industry do anything different, like, they're not MISTAKENLY making 'woke' games, they're doing it for a reason.
3 - Individual people like Grummz or Endymion or Vara Dark or scores of other people who cover these topics in the industry can't make a dent with indie games. But they sure do make a dent by accessing thousands of people with their current work.
4 - this doesn't take away from the fact that working towards uncovering, reporting and spreading information & talking about this stuff is useful and a positive force.
... And honestly I'm not sure how impactful the success of those games would be without that vocal pushback alongside it. I don't understand the argument of "this VS that". Especially when it's completely unrealistic to expect individuals to get into the Industry to do something proactive. And even more unrealistic to expect the Industry to let them in and exact that change in the first place.
In order to bang out big games like Wukong or Stellar Blade you need a big studio and out here in the west all big studios are going down the same road of because it's like they literally can't afford NOT to.
@@TheDezembro the thing is the indie devs are making a dent because people have been buying more of them than AAA. Though even some indies have the woke stuff on them... It's all a work in progress for now because all the backlash against the woke has only recently started to be more effective, a good recent exemple is the dragon age game, the woke took years to install itself so it's gonna take years to kill it off like the plage it is. The people reporting, like the ones cited by you and others like Kirshe will help with the change.
@@tio_johnWe basically need all hands on deck for this problem 😂 people to report information, people to complain loudly and mock relentlessly, indie devs to make some good stuff for people to recommend instead of the latest installment of activist garbage, and people to "vote with their wallets" so these bad games get ratio'd by the good ones.
@@TheDezembro 1. Yeah eastern games are starting to get infected with luck when they get fully infected west will get rid of dei infection.
2. Goal is not to save western AAA companies or change them. In my humble opinion all these AAA giants are too far gone now mostly political activists are working there. But mentioned that too if you work there you are activist or you are getting fired.
3. These people have significant audiences that provides protentional players for their games. Not a first time youtuber made game successful just by marketing it to their audience.
4. I agree. But if they would create new non dei games their impact of their work would be even greater.
If they would create their own games they would become industry insiders. And so they would be able to do something more proactive. Even largest of gaming giants were once just small studios working on their small game.
@@TheDezembromm. Kingdom Come Deliverance. Warhorse went with not putting this in their game, to marginal success for a studio of their size, at the time (96K players tops, still more than Veilguard). Not sure if Czech is eastern, though. Hopefully they'll do the same with the sequel, coming out January, I think.
Been loving your videos bro. I have many similar views. I would say that the idea of "just make gaming conservative" is a bit of an ignorant take. The video game industry has always held a left leaning majority and that will never change. It's never been "There are too many leftists in gaming" The problem is that the monetary incentives homogenise it into a ONE left ideology. They're not even allowed to disagree with each other. People are also way too concerned about the reputation of the source over the validity of the actual information. Anyways, keep it up.
TheGamerTronShow and other conceited conservatives be like: "complaining is bad because all they do is complain now sit down and listen to me complain about it"
Gamertronshow is lefty shitstick grifters. Dont mince words they Never supported anything that didnt get them money.
He really thought that complaing about people complaining would make him look good. Literal Negative X Negative = Positive.
That's not what I said at all... I don't know how that was your take away.
@@TheGamerTronShow "don't believe your lying ears"
@@snintendog Who are you quoting?
Besides in the video I'm not talking about "complaining" I'm talking about not supporting grifters pretending to be conservative.
LOL CHAnge the triple a industry why put effort into growing on dead land take the hint their soils is tainted you do not wish to grow it their. if you feel like you cant change anything become the change you want in order to beat these people you don't play by their rules you work around their rules its a bit complicated but it all boils down to be the bigger fish.
10:10 didn,t the wokies say you can just identify as any gender, at any time,regardless of sex. and if biology doesn,t matter in gender identity.
why not expand it to racial & other identities too, cause everything is a social construct.
This logic can only be used when the wokies want and when it benefits them. If we try to do the same we are racist and bigots making fun of "MarGiNaLiZeD GrOuPs"
"Rules for thee not for me"
Because woke people don't actually believe ANY of the shit they say if they did their ideology wouldn't contradict itself so much
I'd also just add that throwing rocks from a glass house, is just really tactless and tasteless.
Being a hypocrite isn't a good look on anyone, no matter how much dress yourself and your ego up.
I like u man. I think ure gonna go far. I do, however, hate that Kung fu game u play lmao
I need some suggestions for games to use as footage 😂😂😂
@@TheDezembro hey,try out swordigo,its on mobile. no one expects the low requirement mobile rpg game.
@@TheDezembroWukong
Why? That game is great
Space Maine 2
I used to watch Spoon. Then he attacked his own fanbase. I’ve never unsubbed so fast.
Utensil toke more or less of a fence-siting answer to Vee about Grumzz. Utensil does more in-depth analysis on people than his recent video, which I didn't. It's llike he did a speed run to get a video out and dind't care about the wuality of his opinion on Grumzz's work ethic. No cap, Grumzz suck but I won't hold it against Utensil for not caring about Grumzz as a person. Either way, Utensil should do better analyzing people like Grumzz next time.
I also think a problem of Grummz is that he is very emotional angry and makes to many mistakes but I honestly can’t fault him because of how he has been treated in the industry
What I disagree is the fact thet you can make indie games thet are fundamentally "right-wing" leaning. Yes, the big studios ALL infected at this point (yes, even Nintendo and other japanese ones), but it is not mean you cannot make a good game. You can create parallel institutaions or just solo deving if you want.
My backlog is big enough that I can not buy games for 2 years and be fine.
for many years we've been hearing the "go woke, go broke" slogan, and while it's true that individual products made by the companies experience flops, the zeitgeist has only gotten worse. they've got an unlimited amount of funding coming from wherever big money comes from. they're not interested in turning a profit. they're interested in changing the culture
Another great video man.
Spoon video about grummz and his Stellar Blade one just showed me that the only place he's smart at is politics. In gaming and aparantly marketing he's so dumb I could just face palm myself.
His comparison the 'vote with your wallet' with voting for politicians is nonsense. 'Vote with your wallets' is simple market demand, which boils down to what the customers need. A product sell then production will start but when it doesn't sell then it's production will stop.
And his take on being aware is useless even thou that's the first step to solve the problem. His example about cancer is dumb, because you need to aware of it's existent to actually do something about it.
Market demand doesn't matter when it comes to gamers. Gamers are the dumbest consumer group in existence, they're indistinguishable from drug addicts always looking for the next fix and willing to pay for it no matter how diluted the drug is.
Exactly. I like utensil but I prefer when he sticks to politics and peoples political views... Gaming is better dealt by people with a economic mind because like you said it's the simple demand and supply. We don't like product then they will start changing, the thing is that for the time being companies have the money to burn into the woke shit to try and force change, it won't work because people naturally don't like to be told what to think and they're already losing money we just need to keep it going so inevitably they will run out of money to burn and will have to change.
The thing is you didn't understand what the spoon actually said. He is says that we are no longer the customers of these game companies. They are designed to fail as the real customer is the investors. In fact I would go as far to say the shutdown of the studio IS the end goal they want so then they won't need to pay the investors back.
What they are really doing is making a game exactly for the investors check list and getting the staff as investors want. They then take that money and give themselves massive paychecks as they know the game will fail and the studio will close as they have no real attachment to either.
Spoons problem with Grum isn't that he is complaining but the fact that he sells himself as an ex blizzard dev that has not made a game for a decade. that as a dev he could have made a game that would have made far more of an impact then the videos he makes. (even if it's a game with simple undertale / stardew graphic)
He's not even that good at politics. He's just hiding behind a fancy facade to look smart.
@@nicholasvogel9783 Even if the new customers are the investers, they still require paying customers so that their product could be sold and make their investers happy. And if their plan is to get a huge paycheck from investers while closing the studios they work from is just beneficial to us, for reason that it's self-filtering. They get the money but in return they will gain a negative image and get blacklisted both from the gaming companies and investers alike.
I don't say anything about Grummz for reason being I saw so many type of his hater from the avarege lefty throught people who think he's a fraud for not finishing his game to those who think he's just a fool and shouldn't be taken seriously.
2:26 maybe these corpos should add a no pronouns sign with hvbaby face pic , as for them that should be the biggest scare for them.
but from what i know , they probably think he is still the starfield pronoun lolcow.
even though what had happened afterwards from sbi to etc.
i mean just check "pillar of garbage" video on was babyface right, its his 2nd latest vid as of now.
also that guy (pog) is a very dishonest guy.
but i think he might be right on some things in that vid, you should see it.
his arguement was baby face is doing revisionism, as he was enjoying starfield until the pronoun thing.
and no babyface showed a speedup clip from geeks n gamers.
3:35 I knew you were talking about gamertron , but i still agree with many of his stance n do think he is a respectable guy.
and i am getting the vibess that some of the newer wokeness reporters might be in it for the cash kinda like andypants, not as bad as him of course neither in terms of how andy seems like a parody of antiwoke yter, when he says gay communist satanist or from kid artstyle being gay
Well it's RUclips, anyone that makes videos here are making it for attention so getting money isn't the problem they just need to help change the tide, but I agree that we have to be aware of grifters.
Respectable my ass Gamertron is a lefty Grifter.
@@snintendog Wtf? I'm not a lefty and I'm semi-retired from youtube so how the hell am I a grifter?
@@TheGamerTronShow damn didn't expected you here.
Well , when you had posted on your community, about one of your friends stream where you discussed andypants drama, I had commented & he said to tell you via Facebook but I don't,t use any of those kinds of socials cause well I am 17.
So what I wanted to say was that ,fritanga plays had also mentioned you & asked his viewers to watch your vid.
He had even watched your vid on livestream.And it was clear ,his audience has a very big bias for andy.
Also I do think you,re genuine ,I have seen your going indie vids & how he lied about substance but his audience cheered just cause of the overall message.
It's unfortunate that you couldn't,t freely speak yourself on going indie,s wrongdoings cause of low cash.
I had even argued using your vid on how andy is a liar on his own vids & his viewers are like brainwashed.
Also I saw you have a very old channel ,but don,t get views, I do hope you get more viewers later on for your content even after this andygrifterpants drama.
I have also watched some of your subverse vids ,I liked them ,especially the one about what subverse was about.
So what's your thoughts on this vid regarding all these chains of responses & what's your stance on this topic.
The creator definitely disagrees with you on this one. I think this guys content is good too & definitely better than other daily quick dose slop tubers.
Totally unrelated rant.
So b4 going I would like to recommended you an anime I like ,called call of the night.
I suggest you watch gigguk,s vid on its manga b4, his vid won,t spoil the show & make you interested in it too. Just search gigguk "she wants to suck you".
I think I liked cause I also had sleeping problem, loneliness,& the meeting bw the main character & her childhood friend Akira, resonated with me ,cause I had watched this like 2y ago in 9th grade& something very specific had happened with me which led to me making a female friend.
It's just 13 or 14 ep long. Season might come few months later.
Also its 3:36 as of editing this comment the third time, it's been 8 minutes since upload(4th edit)
@@TheGamerTronShow your a grifting lefty loser protecting shills like act ma'am and such
I think this is a complicated issue. Personally, as many things I agreed with Grumz on, that was due to other sources confirming what he would have to say.
Just because of his history with fumbled development, that shouldn’t invalidate what he has to say, but the scummy crowd-pay stuff makes me suspicious
Another reason why peoples within the industry impose Mark Kern because of his own history with game development and everyone whoever work with him consider him miserable to work with, to the point where many of his ex-employees who once work for his company Red 5 who now working in different companies still spreading rumors and stories about him(source: AmA, twitter and personal friend in the industry).
So even if he is not imposing DEI, the industry will never accept him back and continuously dunk on him
He focused on the game. Everyone else wanted Politics its clear to see from the devs that left him. They are all activists online that say they work but do NOTHING.
@snintendog but here the things. This was the pre 2015 era, before gamergate. You can check their Gamecom and Pax booth and see hot cosplayers and buff men. No politics have really entered the industry yet. The company fails because of Kern overspent marketing on a 3 millions dollar bus that didn't get use. Going missing for days only to show up some day. Firing employees because he didn't like them personally. The list went on.
If you want the full recollection then read: the rise and fall of Mark Kern" This is written in 2013 so there will be no modern politics here.
Has none of you you all heard Grummz's game project Em-8er. It is being called a scam for good reason.
I think that is sort of bigger problem for those who want to back Grummz.
Art is subjective. Sales is not. Not admit Grummz has taken over 500k and not even created a demo for the game he start working on 8 years ago look like you all don't care about gamers at all.
Just saying. It a time bomb that's only going to hurt you in the long run especially if he never even puts out a game which seems to be the case.
Games have been shit long before the DIE infection. Since at least 2004-5, you can make an argument even since the late 90s.
Comment of engagement for the algorithm overlords 🫡
His newest woke bashing grift is just a facade, he's a literately a grifter.
Grummz ruined Firefall, , got kicked from his own studio R5 for wasting money on stupid stuff and being a horrible CEO. ¨Promised to make a game similar to the one he ruined, asked for money. Game still isn't even in Alpha 6 years later and has nothing to show for.
Your the Grifter
@@snintendog You're* and look up what he did to Firefall.
Firefall failing the way it did makes me real sad, I met some great people there and it only makes me eve more sad.
The AAA industry isn't shaping the industry either. Because of the low barrier to entry, really no one can shape the gaming industry.
I know this video is not about that...but...
TheGamerTronShow:
"Don't you find it a little bit suspect that these supposedly conservative gaming content creators never encourage their conservative viewers to get into game development?"
No. Just no. I don't even understand what mindset one must be in to even think that this would remotely help.
cowards or they don't want any change
because they make money from rage bait
and if the SJW cult dies out they will need to find a new hobby where to make money.
let me remained you that they put words in wukong and gaming science
even know the chine's gaming company does not want to associate themselves with the woke EDI from the US or the right-wing cowards who cry wolf but don't do jack to stand up for themselves
When even the BASIC TOOLS and Communities Block and Ban us. We are told to Make our own bank our own Currency just to FRICKEN SURVIVE. People thinking that we arenot oppressed are GRIFTERS. We dont even make Rightwing Games we just are Rightwing.
It would help encourage conservative creatives to make video games and help give consumers more diverse games to pick from that don't lean solely on one side of the political spectrum.
@@TheGamerTronShow I don't need to counter argument that. The counter argumentations are in this video.
Pushing people in a certain direction due to political reasons would be a really scummy thing to do + it wouldn't even work because people want games made by people who have a passion for games and not a passion for politics + AAA gaming wouldn't change and that's the part people are complaining about.
That's dumb and seems like trying *really* hard to grasp at straws in order to *somehow* find *any* reason to devalue conservative content creators.
Tldr;
No.
@@TheGamerTronShowGo away Lefty Grifter
Doesnt help grummz, he scum people out of their money for years and people still have faith in him to bring that game he promise to them years later...shame.
2:25 You mean like COD just did?
Lmao, I guess so 😂
I mean he's the problem just work on your game this is the main real problem of game companies and games today
:((((((((((( too short
Seem like a dishonest argument
1:52 I need a new word to call these “vote with your wallet” types who end up buying the games they told everyone to avoid.
People will defend them and say ‘they’re buying it so we don’t have to’ and I’m like WTF are you talking about? I thought you hated it.
We all see the pile of $#!+, it looks like $#!+, smells like $#!+, I don’t need to pick it up and start chewing to realize, it is in fact $#!+.
They never put their money where their mouth is.
They always end up buying the game, like controlled opposition, like they secretly have blue hair and septum piercings.
They always support the very thing they supposedly despise, always for money they don’t have integrity.
They’ve made a small fortune talking about it for months and they can make even more money from videos showing more clips they’ve found in their playthroughs.
Playing it for people who secretly really want to play it while also supposedly hating it.. like cognitive dissonance.
I don't understand what you mean?
People have to get these games in order to review them for example. Obviously they can go through other avenues, like for example getting a used copy or sailing the high seas, but a lot of them just get it outright for quicker access.
It's one thing to grift and then get the game because you're secretly excited to play it, and another completely to buy it and make more damaging content on it.
The companies are not going to meet their sales quotas by the content creators alone. If they did, Soy Squad, Dustborn, Concord and Unknown 9 would've been a smash hit 😂
Come on now, we all know a handful of reviewers aren’t going to help sales, it’s the principle behind it. These people never review games they like, they only focus on games they supposedly dislike.
They aren’t going to come to some grandiose conclusion we don’t already know about.
They know it’s trash, we know it’s trash, then they play it.
(Their review): ‘Yep, it was trash and full of all the DEI forced narratives I talked about for 3 months, we were right.’
What are we expecting, validation to something we already know is validated?
If there is a hot stove, I’m trusting the person that points it out to warn others more than some idiot who saw it and touched it anyways just to confirm it actually was hot like their third-degree burns somehow give them more credence.
This, this, and so much this. It boils my blood whenever someone is like "This game looks awful and the trailers clearly make it seem like the worst game ever, wow vote with your wallet guys, also please join my stream where I play this game on release day lol". Like, at what point does the sincere criticism end and the grifting start? Do they really just want to maintain the "hatewatching" status quo so they never actually run out of new product to complain about?
There already is a word: Grifters.
@@TheDezembro He's talking about people like "HeelvsBabyface" who will b*tch and moan nonstop for months on end, like with Wokeguard, then not only buy it day 1 but in the case of that guy even buy TWO copies of it. I don't accept the premise of "oh but it's just a few copies from those 'content creators'", every $ is one too much and their audience is clearly ret4arded and many will end up buying it despite complaining about it.
Of the games you listed 3 are new creations and not attached to any popular IP and Suicide Squad isn't anywhere near a popular IP enough as far as the superhero genre is concerned. Look at Marvels Rivals 50K+ just in the beta, you think you "send a message" like this other than "i will buy any and all woke slop as long as it's shiny and popular enough"?
Dragon Age on the other hand is a big IP, here was the chance to make a REAL statement, this game should've been stuck at an under 3K peak player count and you all failed.
This video is correct.
The problem with Grummz is that he is running a scam on his patreon.
Em8er is a failure and his posts on twitter show that he is playing people that dont know about gamedev like a fiddle.
Anyone that knows a bit about gamedev can see that he is sandbagging, he makes up issues and problems that anyone with a small ammount of knowledge know how easy it is to fix or do.
One post of his was about how the "baking artist" (a role that does not exist because anyone can bake down textures easily) messed up and he needed more time and another artist to fix the issue, and the issue was a UV issue that is easily fixable in 15-30 mins by just rotating some stuff around.
He might be on the ""right"" side, but he is still scamming people, it would be better to remove him altogether from the movement untill he gets his shit together or releases the game.
Look at the other firefall likes that are in development, and you will see that in 1-2 years they have done a lot more than grummz, with less people and little to no funds.
Why didn't you play a single second of his video in this entire video and to add to that point why did you play videos that are not his to take a word from a individual who likes horses too much that seems a little bad faith
Don't have any interest in being bad faith, I put the link in description, didn't hide anything, didn't misconstrue what he said, just didn't want to play his entire video in my video...
His was point was made throughout it, and my main concern was addressing the topic, not "respond to each and every piece" of what he was saying. Simply the value of criticism, the value of voting with our wallets and - as it related to a similar sentiment I had seen in that other video - the difficulty of "right-leaning" devs to get into the industry or to make their right-leaning allegiances known publically.
Aside from that I have no clue wtf you're talking about in regards to horses and whatnot 🤨
@@TheDezembroall right I double checked everything and it was pattern recognition fucking with me because I have an extreme suspicion every time someone doesn't show a video and that cause me to have a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction to that so no there is no bad faith and the horse part is a joke about a certain degenerate who belongs on a cross (a bread tuber that goes by the name of vaush and if you want to know anything about that look up bigbunjeeeee's videos about it) and for your actual criticism they were actually well thought out after sitting on it and thinking about it for a little bit
@@TheDezembroall right I double checked everything and it was pattern recognition f***ing with me because I have an extreme suspicion every time someone doesn't show a video and that cause me to have a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction to that so no there is no bad faith and the horse part is a joke about a certain de***erate who belongs in pr*s*n (a bread tuber that goes by the name of vaush and if you want to know anything about that look up bigbu*jeeeee's videos about it) and for your actual criticism they were actually well thought out after sitting on it and thinking about it for a little bit (this is a censored version of my original comment thank you youtube)
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2me gruns is a very loud curopaco
His superpower is is bein loud, speaking what everyone with a brain already said 4 years ago and get everyone to heard cause hes a very loud parrot
Do i like him,nope, his first game after leaving blizzard was a dissaster and his second is looking to be goin the same way, but i do like how he get the wokies angry and how they cant find a good angle to attack the firefall bus dood, it be funny if it wasnt so pathetic, nah i laught anyway hahahahaha
Also abother point, who givs a fuak about the triple a industry, about disney, pedowood, o yeah i cant get a job on a dying industry cause my political compass is 0.0000 milimiters to the right of stalin, thank god, imagine wanting to have a job on a company about to get bankruptcy,🍋
The fact he named himself after a tool is more fitting then he probably realized at the time.
The critique of Grummz is he doesn't act better then people in the left, it shouldn't be about the fact he just complains, its about the fact he has no standards and keeps pushing the line and acts like the sensitive lefties but on the right side, as cliche as this sounds but he will end up becoming what he wanted to destroy just under a different ideology. I don't want a grifter who doesn't understand how boycotting PS+ and still buying Stellar Blade as a 'protest' is a smart idea. People should self police and get grifters like him out, genuinely a harm to this side.
You are the grifter Dumbass
grumms behaves like a sbi employee just on the other side of the political spectrum, minus the doxxing I guess.
I usually agree with you, but I find these arguments flimsy.
First, the more concrete, you never show utensil's video. Yes, you did say you wouldn't, but when you show an unrelated channel to prove a point it comes of as disingenuous.
And now for the actual points. Question: Why was Baldur's gate 3 successful and Concord wasn't? BG3 also has pronouns and other leftist ideas, but it was successful and it continues to be, why? Simple, despite these ideologies BG3 was/is a good game. All this being said, my point is that I don't think we hate Concord (per example) because of THE MESSAGE, don't get me wrong, the game WOULD have been way better if you excluded the leftist things, but we are forgetting something very important, the game was shit as a game. My point is, if Concord were as good as BG3, no one would have cared about pronouns. Gamers only want one thing, GOOD GAMES, everything else comes second.
Also, the problem is not that we can't complain, but that all we are doing is complain. Yes AAA and AA companies have a bigger impact, but if gamers start seeing indie games as superior, we will naturally flock towards them. And look, not everyone wants to make a game, I get that, but Grummz has no excuse, the reason why he became so popular was on the basis of him being an insider, but at this point he can't be classified as an insider anymore.
Finally, there is something Utensil said that I would like to adress, have games been getting better for the past 10 years? Yes we have had good games in this period, but we also had good games this year: Space Marine 2, Black Myth Wukong, Stellar Blade, and so on. But would you say that this year was good for gaming? My point is, nothing has changed, we have had boogie men in gaming for about 10 years, first it was micro transactions, then 70$ games, then repetition in game design, now DEI, the problem with us is that nothing has been solved, we still have the same problem we had back then, we just shifted our attention to the shiny new model. If we don't make new games, if we don't act, then DEI will remain here forever, but in five years we will have forgotten and just shifted to another problem
I don't think so because indies HAVE GOTTEN MORE ATTENTION the thing is DEI took time to install itself so it's gonna take time to take it out. Voting with the wallet and complain has been working because people have been stoping buying their shit, dragon age will be just another example of this
@@tio_john Glad you brought Veilguard into the conversation, tell me, what is the difference between Veilguard and BG3, excluding the fact that the former denied review codes? They both have pronouns, and modern day terms and ideologies such as transgenderism, and the main point of the criticism of Veilguard having pronouns is that it is medieval and has magic that transforms people, which means that being trans through surgery is illogically and creatively bankrupt. Now, excluding my political ideologies (I don't need it for this argument), I agree with this notion, surgery should not be needed in a world where you turn into animals. But that is not the point I was trying to make, the main point is that we are being hypocrites for holding one game accountable but not the other. And I have other examples: Why are we not talking about God of war, Alan Wake 2, or Spider-man 2? Yes we mention them, but every time we do it is just an anecdote. The reason why we hold some games accountable and not others is because you can't argue with results. And this brings us back to my main point, gamers only want good games.
To address the other points in your comment:
Yes, indie games have grown in popularity. That is undeniable, the problem is that they are still not big enough, if they were, gaming journalists would bitch about them as much as they bitch about every other game, yet every major argument they give is based on AAA/AA, which means these games are still seen as the golden standard.
Yes, DEI is relatively new, but that's the point, micro transactions were also new at some point, and we hated them as much as we hate DEI, but we never fixed that, it is still a problem, but since DEI got exposed we have been ignoring everything else.
Finally yes, voting with wallet does work to some extent, making better games is only a part of it, if people don't stop buying bad games, they will keep making them, but as I have demonstrated, in the end gamers don't really care about DEI, we only mention it when games are bad, if DEI produced better games we would be preaching it to hell and back.
In conclusion, my fear is not DEI, my fear is that we are not evolving, yes, DEI is bad, but if we don't hold every game that has it equally accountable, then, are we much better than the dumbasses pushing their agenda? I just want good games, and we are not going to get them by flip flopping from boogie man to boogie man, without taking out the previous one.
Also, sorry for the wall of text, but nowadays you have to be really careful with what you say so it is not taken out of context.
@4DMoth I don't mind the wall of text when it's a good point. Indeed we had been jumping from bogie man to bogie man but to my understanding it's different this time because it involves something personal, our opinions and the way we think, in short this DEI conflict is involving society in general instead of just being a gaming problem, like micro transactions and pricing, so DEI won't be something we solve in one front.
Now about the way we treat games, I'm glad you pointed out that indeed SM2 and God of war are talked about but not as much as other games exactly for the reason that they at least have good gameplay, though they have terrible writing infested with DEI, I would like to point out that this only happens with sonny games, with the exception of BG3 of course, because they have a good dev team that knows how to make good gameplay at least, so at a technical level the game will be good and that's what gamers ultimately want but still we aren't blind by the writing trying to push some agendas and that's good in my eyes.
I think the key is subtlety because gamers don't really care about the politics of the people making the game but they do care about being shoved something or being told what to think, that's people in general and it's why we see more and more push against woke, they rely on the bogie man to exit and they can't be subtle about their ideas, at least they can't be subtle now they seam to have lost that ability, being short cause i have to get back to work people aren't as stupid as the woke think and they push back when they MADE TO DO SOMETHING OR BEHAVE SOME WAY.
sorry if I did some typo or some grammatical mistake. I hope my point is understandable cause I think I went in a little rant 😆.
@tio_john Some of these points are a bit strange, but I agree with the overall message, yes it is personal, but it is not necessarily worse, at least in my opinion. Overall I am just afraid of this monster coming back with a different skin in the future.
Also sorry for taking so much of your time XD
@4DMoth glad you understand my point, I'm not that good at debating or being organized with my thoughts so when I do I try my best to be organized... But the longer the text more disorder occurs 😆.
I don't really think that this problem will disappear and reappear with a new name, because like I said it's more personal this time and involves control so people get more invested in it and it's a battle that isn't just being fought in gaming but in basically all fronts be it real, virtual and fictional spaces hance the nickname Culture War.
Edit: no need to worry about my job I work for my country's government and the job is easy as fuck.
Grummz is the perfect person for the woke to point at and call grifter, then dismiss literally all of our complaints. This is because he is a grifter though as he rushes any news regardless of how wrong for that tiny bit of clout and cash.
I wish he would just go away.
The only grifters are those that call grummz a grifter.
dude how about we let the AAA industry burn anyway
want to know why
it's simple
Indy is the new AAA most Indy games have grown to be legends
need examples no problem
FNAF - started way back in 2013 or so
and it's still popular to 2024 and their developers it's a right wing who does do not push his political views into his games + there tones of others FNAF inspired games too
aw by the way the FNAF game dev did defend himself against the woke mafia back in 2017
while the right wing grifters like yellow flash and EFAP didn't do jack to have his back
let me give some other names and examples too
fly me to the moon , poked mirror , Minecraft , hello Neuberger , Stanly parable , star navally i can list so many games
who are out of any politics and just want to do games
vs
left & right rage bait fake drama b.s
point is how can you say that there is no willingness to make a change when you don't want to have a change
sooner or later even black rock will run out of money nothing stays forever guys
look how many companies have gone bankrupt after they took the woke bullet and how many right wing grifters got rich from the rage baits
Voting with the wallet works... How shocking 😮.
Yet Scott of FNAF got kicked out of his OWN COMPANY when he was found to be Rightwing.... FFS he didnt say SHIT. He only silently DONATED. Your 100% wrong the LEFT is employing NAZI tactics.
Problem with Grummz is that he usually just shares some random shit he finds on twitter and complains, without adding anything really substantial, which makes him in turn seem just like an average complainer guy.
I feel like due to political brainrot people think that it’s so over yet I’ve played so many games without any of the political stuff but these games with woke stuff get signal boosted so loud that everyone on both sides gets so ass mad idk seems a bit lame
@@Thearchon592 it's just something that spreads and progresses like a disease and people don't want to see MORE franchises and MORE studios getting even more and more overt with it as it happened with some games this year.
@ I hear that dragon age was or is ridiculous I never expected a game to get that far buuut I feel like the reason why is because the dev culture the devs for concord and veilguard are just locked down in a echo chamber where no one is able to disagree no one goes “hmm I don’t like that dialogue” or “hmm I don’t think we should go with that design” not because that person disagrees with the politics but because there thinking about the game the universe the writing you don’t get that with certain studios
I really do hope this game gets a concord treatment I think you do speak on the fact that we vote with our dollars and the money talks gamers just have to be more and more united on this
IIRC, Grummz has some skeletons in his own closet with a crowdfunded game that he is years late on delivering.
Oh, The Aristocratic Utensil. That racist guy Th3Birdman called out
The utensil might be a bit of a prick but racist? Also isn't this birdman guy a breadtuber? Na there are no heroes in this story 😂
Lol th3birdman is legitimately a idiot and exactly what he accuses others of being
@reptiliannoizezz.413
Listen I don't like Spoon but the guy is an African simping for English aristocracy.
When you call him "racist", you aren't referring to him being racist to other blacks, are you?
Racist? Nah man he is harsh... I see it more like he has conviction on his beliefs but he isn't racist.
@@Impalingthorn He might be from Africa but it's South Africa and he's a white guy (probably of Dutch descent like most of them).